From nilsf Thu Jan 1 00:20:21 2009 Received: (qmail 15075 invoked by uid 0); 31 Dec 2008 23:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 23:20:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C84430512 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C539440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AE11CD482 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:20:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F11E1CD481 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:20:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.67]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:20:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 87418 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2008 23:20:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: s9jPbtUVM1la7uDsLOeh963JU_Cf82NeKBBrj6YrTC3BDdVWgPC9NvNoB1533kqcyWACEem6IKxjH1HbOKuZMaesZZKhyzN5XHoNRsSJCPrZXAF4Socjf0vUSEDsfh74140Av17MZNndrz1OJby05yKp6Ob7OGQn0s5qqHx.NcOHlraixDTvRjO_DH_8WN5mgirsWUkEOUL11CI- Received: from [72.75.193.25] by web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:20:15 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:20:15 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <819187.94737.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 00:20:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495bfe35177901234514069 Happy New Year! Here's to a 2009 full of good stuff and blessings! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 00:42:49 2009 Received: (qmail 4252 invoked by uid 0); 31 Dec 2008 23:42:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 23:42:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677B14304F0 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4056A440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286C134AC005 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:42:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534AA34AC002 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:42:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so1756456and.35 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.41.9 with SMTP id o9mr9230450ano.39.1230766958565; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:42:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:42:38 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <924D2D745BFF48C198E8202577143475@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49585DDA.8070502@interisland.net> <495A2F66.5090403@verizon.net> <211E3F08410A40539F652CC56C575CA5@hudson> <20rkl4t40daoiipaqd29tetk6s3k4clro7@4ax.com> <495A7ECA.7060002@chucknorcutt.com> <62C2C7E88ECC40479E65336F4EF16889@hudson> <495AAC0C.208@chucknorcutt.com> <924D2D745BFF48C198E8202577143475@hudson> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6d906ca250febaa8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Vivitar 285HV Zoom Thyristor flash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 00:42:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c0379248081838542571 > > I have a Stroboframe [essentially, three sides of a square] on which the > flash gun is held at the left hand end of the upper arm. The camera is held > on a plate attached to the lower arm. The plate itself can sit parallel to > the lower arm or be moved in a closewise direction through 90 degrees such > that when the camera is taking a photo in vertical or portrait mode the > flast gun is still vertically above the lens axis. > I love the stroboframe, but have noticed that the trend in on-camera lighting is moving away of the lens-axis to slightly off-axis again because of the lack of modeling. A handle-mount flash gives the modeling, but does need to be diffused a bit to kill the hard-edged shadows around the nose and below the chin. The Stroboframe is perfect for killing shadows in the background, but the faces end up with a very flat looking lighting. Having four or however many AA batteries in the flash gun cannot exert any > forward twisting torque on the body / lens combo. The flash gun is detached > from the camera body. > I use the Vivitar 285HV with no external battery pack on the Stroboframe. Weight of my Stroboframe is a bit more than some because it is the type that has the mechanism for rotating the camera. My limit for carrying it around, however, is about four hours before my back locks up. Lately, I've been testing the waters with off-camera flash--where the flash units are stand mounted someplace and I just have the radio trigger in the hot-shoe. This makes for a much lighter configuration and I essentially have no time limits with my back. Especially If I'm using an OM body with a small prime like the 35/2.8. > The only impediment to having a few extra ounces added to the flash gun in > the form of 4 AA batteries is that the human being carrying the entire rig > will be exhausted three or four minutes ahead of the time had those four AA > batteries not been included in the flash gun ! > I'm in the midst of doing a tear-down of the battery pack for a T45. There are 20 AA cells in that thing. > Several years ago I shot a wedding using an OM4T and a Metz 60 CT4 [not > using the Stroboframe!] . The weight of the dry fit battery carried on a > shoulder strap was a real pain ............. definitely more than the > marginal to non-existant additional weight of 4 AA batteries :-)) > I really dislike external battery packs. By the time you're carrying two cameras around, the battery pack becomes a real pain and you think you're going to get strangled. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 00:55:01 2009 Received: (qmail 8925 invoked by uid 0); 31 Dec 2008 23:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 23:55:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D284304A8 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0E6440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:54:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017C234AC005 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:54:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD0534AC002 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:54:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:54:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.175.87.5] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LIAto-0003gC-C2 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:54:52 -0500 Message-ID: <380-2200812331235452529@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:54:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da9400aac321f62f93c81e9141707a670d88c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.87.5 Subject: Re: [OM] eyecup magnifier ME-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 00:55:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c0655283262070262475 I have it on my E-500 and find it useful. However with my glasses on I can no longer see the information in the viewfinder very well and infact tend to forget that it is there. I think that it helps focus both the digital lenses and the 300 4.5 when I use it. John > [Original Message] > From: Mike Lazzari > To: 1 > Date: 12/31/2008 10:47:32 AM > Subject: [OM] eyecup magnifier ME-1 > > Anyone use one of these? Does it help with focusing when wearing > glasses? Specifically, I need some help focusing the old Zuiko glass > when using the adapter. Even with the focus confirmation chip. Perhaps > this would serve hand holding where the varimagnifier isn't appropriate. > > Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 01:57:07 2009 Received: (qmail 32738 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 00:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 00:57:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7829B4304FF for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2495C440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D542B1CD483 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:56:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BDA1CD482 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:56:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xsY41a0080QkzPwA80x0rF; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:57:00 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id y0wz1a0033cAhRk8N0wzo4; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:56:59 +0000 Message-ID: <7345059A99084EF1B8E7F56B0F00094E@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:56:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 01:57:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c14e387069347015869 I wishing everyone a Safe an Happy New Year also! Darin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" > > Happy New Year to all on the list ! > > ...Wayne > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 02:08:27 2009 Received: (qmail 1597 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 01:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 01:08:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5DE430516 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A213544000F for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CC834AC005 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:08:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC7D34AC002 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:08:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30027 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jan 2009 01:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 081231-0, 12/31/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Vivitar 285HV Zoom Thyristor flash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 02:08:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c178b139549347015869 MMV... My Mileage Varies. :-) Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > I have a Stroboframe [essentially, three sides of a square] on which the > flash gun is held at the left hand end of the upper arm. The camera is held > on a plate attached to the lower arm. The plate itself can sit parallel to > the lower arm or be moved in a closewise direction through 90 degrees such > that when the camera is taking a photo in vertical or portrait mode the > flast gun is still vertically above the lens axis. > > Having four or however many AA batteries in the flash gun cannot exert any > forward twisting torque on the body / lens combo. The flash gun is detached > from the camera body. > > The only impediment to having a few extra ounces added to the flash gun in > the form of 4 AA batteries is that the human being carrying the entire rig > will be exhausted three or four minutes ahead of the time had those four AA > batteries not been included in the flash gun ! > > Several years ago I shot a wedding using an OM4T and a Metz 60 CT4 [not > using the Stroboframe!] . The weight of the dry fit battery carried on a > shoulder strap was a real pain ............. definitely more than the > marginal to non-existant additional weight of 4 AA batteries :-)) > > jh > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Vivitar 285HV Zoom Thyristor flash > > >> The tall bracket with it's long lever arm exerts a lot of forward >> twisting torque on the body/lens combo if the camera is tipped even >> slightly downward. Adding 4 AA NiMH batteries at the end of the lever >> just makes you a lot more tired at the end of a 4-6 hour shooting stint. >> You just can't hold that whole rig perfectly upright all night long. >> >> The T-32 is pretty squat to begin with so minimizes the length of the >> lever. And the ability to leave the AAs out when using a high voltage >> supply adds even more value. Unfortunately, the T-32 is a loser when it >> comes to manual power control. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> John Hudson wrote: >>> Chuck .... I am trying without much success to place the second sentence >>> in >>> context with the first and third sentence. How does a tall bracket exert >>> any >>> leverage at all and how is any leverage relevant to not having any AA >>> batteries in the flash gun ? >>> >>> I'm confused :-) >>> >>> jh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:04 PM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Vivitar 285HV Zoom Thyristor flash >>> >>> >>>> One nice advantage of the T-32 is that it does not need AA batteries >>>> when running from an external high voltage power supply. If you put the >>>> flash on a tall bracket (like a Stroboframe) the bracket exerts lots of >>>> leverage. Having or not having batteries in the flash is very >>>> noticeable after schlepping camera, bracket and flash around all night. >>>> >>>> Dr. Flash >>>> >>>> Frank van Lindert wrote: >>>>> The manual >>>>> http://www.cameramanuals.org/flashes_meters/vivitar_285hv.pdf >>>>> says YES. >>>>> >>>>> Frank van Lindert >>>>> Utrecht NL. >>>>> >>>>> Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:06:22 -0400, John Hudson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> When using a Viv 285HV flash with the dedicated SB-4 power supply unit >>>>>> should the flash gun be loaded with 4 AA batteries at the same time ? >>>>>> >>>>>> jh >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 02:09:52 2009 Received: (qmail 25588 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 01:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 01:09:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD053430512 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99A7440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:09:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51A31CD483 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:09:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73751CD481 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:09:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KCR002WQPW8UVC0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:09:44 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-10-64.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.10.64]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:50:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:09:47 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <68D4F501F3984EBAA25E1A1DC2D37642@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApgOABOmW0kYigpA/2dsb2JhbACBZogtwlcGhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,310,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="386447473" References: <60f983080812301539q368112f8v9ebaad2714b110e6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 02:09:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c17e0143374673671140 Michael ......... I was looking at the tram stop in IMG3613. That's right outside Princes Building where I worked and that tram is the one I rode home on most evenings to Happy Valley. Keep your photos coming. They are really appreciated. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wong" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film > http://www.fotop.net/MichaelWong/Rollei35sBW > > Although it's not very good, the first step is successful ^_^ > > > > --- > Michael > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 02:19:50 2009 Received: (qmail 4983 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 01:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 01:19:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81672430503 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A65440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:19:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297E61CD482 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:19:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530021CD483 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:19:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:19:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <7au4gf$1cu054@pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca> Received: from pd4ml2so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.136]) by pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 31 Dec 2008 18:19:42 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=QaANkjWmkVWsZTktO5EA:9 a=091C2VkuUWkcPpeZqGEpBicmdhsA:4 Received: from s010600d009c96a69.gv.shawcable.net (HELO Barry-PC.shaw.ca) ([24.108.154.50]) by pd4ml2so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 31 Dec 2008 18:19:41 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:19:41 -0800 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: Barry Hinderks In-Reply-To: <495BBE3F.3030209@interisland.net> References: <495BBE3F.3030209@interisland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] eyecup magnifier ME-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 02:19:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c1a36116431073733319 Mike, I've been using the ME-1 for a little over a year on my E-500 with both digital and legacy lenses (OM and Contax) and have had no problem focussing. As mentioned by others you do tend to lose the info in the finder, however, unless it is a decisive moment :-) your eye can wander to find the info. Yes, I wear glasses all the time. BarryH At 10:47 AM 31/12/2008, you wrote: >Anyone use one of these? Does it help with focusing when wearing >glasses? Specifically, I need some help focusing the old Zuiko glass >when using the adapter. Even with the focus confirmation chip. Perhaps >this would serve hand holding where the varimagnifier isn't appropriate. > >Mike >-- >_________________________________________________________________ >Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 02:26:46 2009 Received: (qmail 23642 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 01:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 01:26:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D2F4304D1 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:26:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B318440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:26:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399861CD481 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:26:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8601A1CD484 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:26:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3132 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jan 2009 01:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 01:26:36 -0000 Message-ID: <495C1BCB.2070902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:26:35 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49585DDA.8070502@interisland.net> <495A2F66.5090403@verizon.net> <211E3F08410A40539F652CC56C575CA5@hudson> <20rkl4t40daoiipaqd29tetk6s3k4clro7@4ax.com> <495A7ECA.7060002@chucknorcutt.com> <62C2C7E88ECC40479E65336F4EF16889@hudson> <495AAC0C.208@chucknorcutt.com> <924D2D745BFF48C198E8202577143475@hudson> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081231-0, 12/31/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Vivitar 285HV Zoom Thyristor flash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 02:26:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c1bd6213551823421471 I usually shoot things like receptions and parties with 2 to 4 studio lights off-camera plus an on-camera flash. I use a high voltage power pack for fast recycling... 1-1/2 seconds or less. Trying to catch "the moment" during the Horah at a Jewish wedding or Bar/Bat Mitzvah may require multiple shots without much time for battery recycling. Other events are usually not so hectic and time critical. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> I have a Stroboframe [essentially, three sides of a square] on which the >> flash gun is held at the left hand end of the upper arm. The camera is held >> on a plate attached to the lower arm. The plate itself can sit parallel to >> the lower arm or be moved in a closewise direction through 90 degrees such >> that when the camera is taking a photo in vertical or portrait mode the >> flast gun is still vertically above the lens axis. >> > > > I love the stroboframe, but have noticed that the trend in on-camera > lighting is moving away of the lens-axis to slightly off-axis again because > of the lack of modeling. A handle-mount flash gives the modeling, but does > need to be diffused a bit to kill the hard-edged shadows around the nose and > below the chin. The Stroboframe is perfect for killing shadows in the > background, but the faces end up with a very flat looking lighting. > > > Having four or however many AA batteries in the flash gun cannot exert any >> forward twisting torque on the body / lens combo. The flash gun is detached >> from the camera body. >> > > > I use the Vivitar 285HV with no external battery pack on the Stroboframe. > Weight of my Stroboframe is a bit more than some because it is the type > that has the mechanism for rotating the camera. My limit for carrying it > around, however, is about four hours before my back locks up. Lately, I've > been testing the waters with off-camera flash--where the flash units are > stand mounted someplace and I just have the radio trigger in the hot-shoe. > This makes for a much lighter configuration and I essentially have no time > limits with my back. Especially If I'm using an OM body with a small prime > like the 35/2.8. > > > >> The only impediment to having a few extra ounces added to the flash gun in >> the form of 4 AA batteries is that the human being carrying the entire rig >> will be exhausted three or four minutes ahead of the time had those four AA >> batteries not been included in the flash gun ! >> > > > I'm in the midst of doing a tear-down of the battery pack for a T45. There > are 20 AA cells in that thing. > > > >> Several years ago I shot a wedding using an OM4T and a Metz 60 CT4 [not >> using the Stroboframe!] . The weight of the dry fit battery carried on a >> shoulder strap was a real pain ............. definitely more than the >> marginal to non-existant additional weight of 4 AA batteries :-)) >> > > > I really dislike external battery packs. By the time you're carrying two > cameras around, the battery pack becomes a real pain and you think you're > going to get strangled. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 02:31:52 2009 Received: (qmail 29933 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 01:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 01:31:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74024304D2 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82B5440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:31:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9881CD483 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:31:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7431CD482 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:31:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so475731fgb.36 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.92.7 with SMTP id p7mr9642404fgb.54.1230773503930; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.77.10 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:31:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0812311731r52e916efy92d8c4d7e8930570@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:31:43 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <495BBE3F.3030209@interisland.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 02:31:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c1d08139721585427447 Still a few hours away here, but Happy New Year to all. 2008 will not be missed. Charlie On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Wayne Harridge < wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Happy New Year to all on the list ! > > ...Wayne > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 02:33:37 2009 Received: (qmail 1770 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 01:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 01:33:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E016430501 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B5E440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73511CD481 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:33:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755F01CD482 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:33:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5682 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jan 2009 01:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 01:33:31 -0000 Message-ID: <495C1D6A.7010207@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:33:30 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081231-0, 12/31/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 02:33:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c1d71231042336821329 It's going down to +5F (-15C) tonight with 30 mph (50 kph) winds and blowing snow. I wish you all a happy new year, improving prosperity and warmer and gentler weather. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 03:06:20 2009 Received: (qmail 30312 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 02:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 02:06:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25758430514 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19265440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5D034AC005 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:58:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D3434AC002 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:57:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.68]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1054 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2009 01:57:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fnSsTBAVM1m3uaQ_80iz1wCC6Du_UvE38DT4TzJ3ekov8BIylrQdArt4uSb9CK7TANPzFVGWA8pHtCzdtf3MCL7Zdn.qO8E21G7nB_BJP6_g93Ylbg0uOqq4.TaPWvKLyTyETykbiLBOusRnay._oNQ4ae6UvufplaOQ4O012MNbk8nQfCDXeU9ke4XWbf7q9Da8NGVK6F83SImebswZnlTXIctyhGsxfCDnOELJJkBDEbGrJp7XFEgqO7QWFpE- Received: from [72.75.193.25] by web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:57:59 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:57:59 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <495C1D6A.7010207@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <416861.87527.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 03:06:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c251c301442336821329 BBrrrr...got awfully cold here also! Wind really kicked in the evening! --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > From: Chuck Norcutt > Subject: [OM] Happy New Year > To: "Olympus mail list" > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 8:33 PM > It's going down to +5F (-15C) tonight with 30 mph (50 > kph) winds and > blowing snow. I wish you all a happy new year, improving > prosperity and > warmer and gentler weather. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 03:19:14 2009 Received: (qmail 12683 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 02:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 02:19:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C914304E7 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:19:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FA2440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:19:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757611CD483 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:19:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34FB1CD481 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:19:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.175.87.5] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LID9O-0008O5-2O for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:19:06 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220091412197382@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:19:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da94037ed2a00204d02ab4127f8e71e4a11c4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.87.5 Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 03:19:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c2822172062046811720 Wow all the low temps out there. I went outside to put a load of laundry in and realized I should have put a shirt on. temp here in So Cal is about down to 70. John -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 03:32:51 2009 Received: (qmail 10247 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 02:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 02:32:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFCB430503 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8F9440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:32:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D8334AC005 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:32:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8200634AC002 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:32:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.127]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28289 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2009 02:32:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 47nHr9QVM1kEyJM0oC8oNbj5wdXrJ45ncZ5PtYZ2k9WBFIU.nEFLHi01sgy.YOHCtSpWs7HaMYy3zLm7Bk6z5Uxw1YeQ0.kVn0kuAKWaOYwLaIW2.WEUeMFAKaor5yeboN7MtppfRRO5m1LhX6RldCGTrtkKh1d.TvC1RMTM_3S.jrX8E14GdPPpFbLpZXmCFFoQ5fzk4SclmcS6smq.NgdoV2RIz2MdZUX3plGC4SbpyA-- Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:32:43 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:32:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <863247.27617.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 03:32:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c2b53114242336821329 =A0 =A0Happy New Year from Texas!!!Jerry Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 04:50:05 2009 Received: (qmail 3379 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 03:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 03:50:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE05743053E for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FE2440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1421CD482 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:49:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63CE1CD481 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:49:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from extsmtp3.localnet.com (extsmtp3.localnet.com [207.251.201.55]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29200 invoked by uid 1011); 1 Jan 2009 03:49:52 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bolster (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 0.067117 secs); 01 Jan 2009 03:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp3.localnet.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 03:49:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 19021 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2009 03:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-12-189.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.12.189]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Jan 2009 03:49:55 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:56:36 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <380-220091412197382@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <380-220091412197382@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812312256.37047.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 04:50:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c3d6d191471823421471 On Wednesday, December 31, 2008 21:19, jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > Wow all the low temps out there. I went outside to put a load of laundry > in and realized I should have put a shirt on. temp here in So Cal is about > down to 70. John Yep! I just came through Camden, NY The sign in front of the Bank show 4 degrees F. -Doug -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 04:51:11 2009 Received: (qmail 15959 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 03:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 03:51:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00F3430514 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:51:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46ED4440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B951CD481 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:51:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BBA1CD482 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:51:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:51:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 46889 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2009 03:51:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Cm01WZoVM1k24b3mEHmcVoLHkfWYt.HP4eM3n6sGgSJnafdlyEVQOo8wMNUrjgIow9xVLwsQAadk9w9DPcEQrAwtp8uW2myLdJpQ8kR5ZDNAWhHv0S.csGQGKcj2Gm78ADQ1C1NCjFUDAhW8Vwg755IdYouDKLRtkrz2NDhD1fuVXrq4OBvgmvXkxzhqVZFijknX87yP0aBtpShjMyC7fF4zKAAwuHuZH.o66akFFuD4CSDSDRiHBQ-- Received: from [72.75.193.25] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:51:04 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:51:04 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <60f983080812301539q368112f8v9ebaad2714b110e6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <290196.46655.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 04:51:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c3daf117421234514069 Are you sure this is your first time? Photos came out nicely. What is Lucky 100 film? Just wondered. --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Michael Wong wrote: > From: Michael Wong > Subject: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 6:39 PM > http://www.fotop.net/MichaelWong/Rollei35sBW > > Although it's not very good, the first step is > successful ^_^ > > > > --- > Michael > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 05:33:28 2009 Received: (qmail 29961 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 04:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 04:33:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAE24304F9 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4367440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EED1CD482 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:33:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B3F1CD481 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:33:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 17 days 07:57:39 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:33:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-133-136-152.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.133.136.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n014XDEX002139 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:33:14 -0200 Message-ID: <495C478A.7070908@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:33:14 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-220091412197382@earthlink.net> <200812312256.37047.doug9345@localnet.com> In-Reply-To: <200812312256.37047.doug9345@localnet.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 05:33:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c4798162231234514069 here we're having a pleasant cool summer night, rather windy as usual. Happy New Year, List :-) Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 05:45:29 2009 Received: (qmail 26556 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 04:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 04:45:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FE94304F0 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DEED440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD4734AC005 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:45:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D4434AC002 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:45:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from russlaptop ([72.79.25.31]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KCR002IDZT56CZA@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:43:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:46:34 -0500 From: Russ Butler In-reply-to: <416861.87527.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <495C4AAA.8090008@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081230-0, 2008.12.30), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <416861.87527.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 05:45:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c4a69223857350615338 AS wrote: > BBrrrr...got awfully cold here also! Wind really kicked in the evening! > & here: 12 F (-11 C). (Colder than a witches tit in a brass bra doing push ups in the snow :-)) Happy New Year to all on the list :-) Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 07:19:07 2009 Received: (qmail 22677 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 06:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 06:19:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3524304FC for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA31D440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B831634AC009 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:19:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0EA34AC005 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:19:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so1780333and.35 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.106.12 with SMTP id e12mr9320361anc.18.1230790740266; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:19:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:19:00 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dbb4a595cdd7c7ef Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Fire and Ice X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 07:19:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c605b232002336821329 I went eagle hunting yesterday with a friend here in Iowa. The wind was howling so it was a bust for eagles. But the sunset was very intense. Shameless plug alert. www.zone-10.com, "Fire and Ice" -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 07:53:18 2009 Received: (qmail 19309 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 06:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 06:53:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA87430586 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A86C440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8281CD483 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:53:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C2A1CD481 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:53:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n016qoEx025256 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:53:09 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:52:47 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Aclr2Nnr8hlpC3y3QJGePyAJ09QTBAABJMsg Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 07:53:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c685d302665368819438 > > I went eagle hunting yesterday with a friend here in Iowa. > The wind was howling so it was a bust for eagles. But the > sunset was very intense. Shameless plug alert. > > www.zone-10.com, "Fire and Ice" > Excellent shot, I really like the intense colour. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 08:08:03 2009 Received: (qmail 8986 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 07:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 07:08:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F10430506 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0C8440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8E634AC005 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:07:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBABD34AC002 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:07:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3562D461588 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:25:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <2279336B-04FC-4C93-BC92-3373F5672933@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <495C1D6A.7010207@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:07:53 +0000 References: <495C1D6A.7010207@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 08:08:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c6bd3210437927319144 Same to you, Chuck, from a relatively balmy -1C in the UK Chris On 1 Jan 2009, at 01:33, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It's going down to +5F (-15C) tonight with 30 mph (50 kph) winds and > blowing snow. I wish you all a happy new year, improving prosperity > and > warmer and gentler weather. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 08:09:41 2009 Received: (qmail 9915 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 07:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 07:09:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD0A43057B for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C19F440006 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C94E1CD483 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:09:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45051CD481 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:09:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08ADC461588 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:27:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <902FE7F9-BD72-4160-B0E7-B92CD2FCC7E2@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:09:30 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 08:09:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c6c35219591993019900 Very nicely done, Ken. Happy New Year. Chris On 1 Jan 2009, at 06:19, Ken Norton wrote: > I went eagle hunting yesterday with a friend here in Iowa. The wind > was > howling so it was a bust for eagles. But the sunset was very intense. > Shameless plug alert. > > www.zone-10.com, "Fire and Ice" -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 09:55:44 2009 Received: (qmail 6604 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 08:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 08:55:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA7943023E for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:55:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE56D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9E134AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:55:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2EE34AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:55:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from po-out-1718.google.com (po-out-1718.google.com [72.14.252.152]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:55:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by po-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id y22so1195523pof.2 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:55:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.248.15 with SMTP id v15mr8206954rvh.295.1230800133970; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.186.5 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:55:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <60f983080901010055g28c7a74dt4b0a93ea34b0b208@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:55:33 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <290196.46655.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <60f983080812301539q368112f8v9ebaad2714b110e6@mail.gmail.com> <290196.46655.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2cbd1a3e2a2c2e10 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W fil X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 09:55:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c8510191742070262475 Thanks. Actually it is my second roll self-development B&W film. The first one was total lost due to poor handling with metal reel, I take a Paterson developing tank set with plastic bearing reel for this roll of film development. Fortunately, I did it. Lucky film is made in China but the quality seems no as good as Kodak TMAX. I prefer TMAX 400 but practice with Lucky film since it's more cheaper than TMAX. http://www.luckyfilm.com/eng/products_2_1.html --- Michael 2009/1/1 AS > Are you sure this is your first time? Photos came out nicely. > > What is Lucky 100 film? Just wondered. > > > --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Michael Wong wrote: > > > From: Michael Wong > > Subject: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film > > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 6:39 PM > > http://www.fotop.net/MichaelWong/Rollei35sBW > > > > Although it's not very good, the first step is > > successful ^_^ > > > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: > > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: > > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 09:59:47 2009 Received: (qmail 1262 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 08:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 08:59:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562DD4300AB for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D02D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AF834AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:59:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CAA34AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:59:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from po-out-1718.google.com (po-out-1718.google.com [72.14.252.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by po-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id b23so675894poe.4 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.98.18 with SMTP id a18mr8227694rvm.194.1230800376940; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.186.5 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:59:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <60f983080901010059x2b501dbpf6363848619184ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:59:36 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <60f983080812301539q368112f8v9ebaad2714b110e6@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a56b28b121477a99 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 09:59:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c860311145368819438 Chris, Thanks. Yes, I agree with Siddiq's comment & I'll try to make development timing longer or adjust the scale of developer to make contrast higher next time :-) --- Michael 2009/1/1 Chris Barker > Yes, Michael, I should say that that was successful. As Siddiq > pointed out, there could be more contrast, but not if you didn't want > it ... :-) > > Chris > > On 30 Dec 2008, at 23:39, Michael Wong wrote: > > > http://www.fotop.net/MichaelWong/Rollei35sBW > > > > Although it's not very good, the first step is successful ^_^ > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 10:02:35 2009 Received: (qmail 13882 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 09:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 09:02:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C68C4302E4 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FBDD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:02:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81BB19DA3D for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:02:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB99619DA3C for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:02:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from po-out-1718.google.com (po-out-1718.google.com [72.14.252.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:02:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by po-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id b23so677616poe.4 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.168.16 with SMTP id v16mr8230323rvo.147.1230800543763; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:02:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.186.5 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:02:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <60f983080901010102t77603991rd8d97e74a6f9d351@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:02:23 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <68D4F501F3984EBAA25E1A1DC2D37642@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <60f983080812301539q368112f8v9ebaad2714b110e6@mail.gmail.com> <68D4F501F3984EBAA25E1A1DC2D37642@hudson> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 93433007407a37c3 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 10:02:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c86ab259561591313764 John, I thought you'd appreciate the picture when I shot it :-) --- Michael 2009/1/1 John Hudson > Michael ......... I was looking at the tram stop in IMG3613. That's right > outside Princes Building where I worked and that tram is the one I rode > home > on most evenings to Happy Valley. > > Keep your photos coming. They are really appreciated. > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Wong" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:39 PM > Subject: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film > > > > http://www.fotop.net/MichaelWong/Rollei35sBW > > > > Although it's not very good, the first step is successful ^_^ > > > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 10:06:13 2009 Received: (qmail 28522 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 09:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 09:06:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0BC430231 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DC1D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4153A19DA5E for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:06:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E753419DA3C for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:06:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id y94o1a0090mlR8UA1969L7; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:06:09 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id y9681a0053cAhRk8X968uK; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:06:09 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <416861.87527.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <495C4AAA.8090008@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:06:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 10:06:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c878557951869477228 Russ Butler wrote: > & here: 12 F (-11 C). > (Colder than a witches tit in a brass bra doing push ups in the snow :-)) > LOL! Holy Cow, I haven't heard that one I a coo's age! Good one Russ, Happy New Year everyone!!!! Darin -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 10:08:50 2009 Received: (qmail 31053 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 09:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 09:08:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B6343016D for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9419D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD21134AC00C for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:08:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699E134AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:08:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id y8yd1a00C0x6nqcA998nyG; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:08:47 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id y98m1a0023cAhRk8Y98m09; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:08:46 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:08:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 10:08:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c8822315801234514069 Ken wrote: >I went eagle hunting yesterday with a friend here in Iowa. Eagle hunting? Would you mind elaborating on that a bit? Beautiful sunset photos, BTW! Darin -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 10:52:35 2009 Received: (qmail 2136 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 09:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 09:52:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3130430190 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4F3D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:52:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C62534AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:52:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E7C34AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:52:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7401 invoked by uid 503); 1 Jan 2009 09:52:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.198.177.4) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 09:52:26 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:52:27 -0800 Message-ID: <006d01c96bf6$a8566190$f90324b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclrN71LddEBivxWQvmzBfGz/596SQAvcT0Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [OM] santa monica, ca X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 10:52:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c9263284911823421471 I like the pictures of the pier: PC290582, PC290604, PC290590. It would be interesting to see them in color. I opened and placed another window on top of the images, aligning the edge of the window with the horizon ... the horizons look perfectly level. Thanks for posting the pictures, -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Ian Nichols [mailto:ian.a.nichols@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:06 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] santa monica, ca 2008/12/31 Nicoletta Da Ros : ... if you'll forgive me dwelling on a technical note, those are some of the most horizontal horizon's I've ever seen. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 11:06:10 2009 Received: (qmail 8976 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 10:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 10:06:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595D7430231 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090A3D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDEC34AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:06:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071BF34AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:06:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5284 invoked by uid 502); 1 Jan 2009 10:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.172.100) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 10:06:02 -0000 Message-ID: <495C9583.8090800@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:05:55 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493DA54C.6123.33BA4E4@bj.caverock.net.nz> <493D1ACF.5010206@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <493D1ACF.5010206@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] BFTP [was not; new blooming flower shots] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 11:06:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c9592245898512572685 In a busy December, I didn't find time to respond to several threads. I especially want to correct that as to the posts of many lovely images. bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: >> Hi all >> >> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=949&l=96aa7&id=1027725807 >> >> Five more flower shots; all taken with E1 & ZD 14-54; tripod. >> I really enjoyed these! No matter how many flower images I see, I continue to take and enjoy them. Many of these are excellent. >> No direct sunlight (as per John Shaw's advice! ) >> Unless ... you are doing something specific with it. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 11:12:04 2009 Received: (qmail 10632 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 10:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 10:12:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAAA4302E1 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB4AD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E4719DC90 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:11:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395F019DC8C for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:11:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:11:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7882 invoked by uid 502); 1 Jan 2009 10:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.172.100) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 10:11:57 -0000 Message-ID: <495C96E8.4020702@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:11:52 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <493DA54C.6123.33BA4E4@bj.caverock.net.nz> <493D1ACF.5010206@chucknorcutt.com> <495C9583.8090800@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <495C9583.8090800@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] BFTP [was not; new blooming flower shots] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 11:12:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c96f4103625368819438 Oops, I also meant to comment on Chuck's comments on the Water Lilies. I disagree about cutting off the table. I rather like having something there to 'ground' the vase, so it doesn't seem to be floating. The image is not only very slightly off horizontal, but the rather moderate barrel distortion of the lens makes the table surface slightly convex. I would rather correct those problems than cut it off. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 11:18:46 2009 Received: (qmail 31529 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 10:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 10:18:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D3B430133 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CF3D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225BD19DCAC for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:18:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E847219DCA9 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:18:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10501 invoked by uid 502); 1 Jan 2009 10:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.164.135) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 10:18:40 -0000 Message-ID: <495C9871.10700@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:18:25 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1141E169-0251-4BE0-AA80-9694523D7D36@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <1141E169-0251-4BE0-AA80-9694523D7D36@frozenlight.eu> Subject: [OM] BFTP [was MG: Nathan's PAW 50: Benidorm, St Nicolas and Big Hair] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 11:18:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c9886160551946193717 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > In "Asterix in Spain" much is made of the fact that in every town they > come to there is a fiesta going on. Actually, there is quite a big > grain of truth in that part of the story. The Spanish will use any > excuse to go out and have a good time and make some noise. There are > also some pictures from a quiet winter beach in Benidorm, and a final > one of my daughter looking like an Afghan hound at the hairdressers: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=171 > I don't often pick winners, but I just love Alt. 3. Without the three guys standing around chatting, it would simply be a nice, interesting image. With them, it's wonderfully surreal. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 11:40:24 2009 Received: (qmail 23434 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 10:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 10:40:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EAE430269 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FF4D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:40:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3218D19DD06 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:40:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BABD19DD01 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:40:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.243]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so5751460rvb.50 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.51.10 with SMTP id d10mr8262971rvk.195.1230806417520; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? (75-142-198-128.static.rvsd.ca.charter.com [75.142.198.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l31sm45395018rvb.2.2009.01.01.02.40.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:40:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: From: Nicoletta Da Ros Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:40:14 -0800 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 11:40:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c9d98288781702588592 happy new year to all of you~ nico. On Dec 31, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: Happy New Year to all on the list ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 11:41:50 2009 Received: (qmail 1970 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 10:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 10:41:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7786B430190 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:41:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C783D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:41:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE8234AC00C for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:41:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBBB34AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:41:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.240]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so5751726rvb.50 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.250.14 with SMTP id x14mr8278988rvh.79.1230806506631; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? 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BWHAHAHAHA. awesome. On Dec 31, 2008, at 8:46 PM, Russ Butler wrote: (Colder than a witches tit in a brass bra doing push ups in the snow :-)) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 11:43:06 2009 Received: (qmail 31789 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 10:43:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 10:43:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3C643024B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA33D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EC734AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:43:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3B034AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:42:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.245]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:42:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so5751987rvb.50 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:42:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.162.5 with SMTP id p5mr8258890rvo.193.1230806578220; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:42:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? (75-142-198-128.static.rvsd.ca.charter.com [75.142.198.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8sm45427931rvf.3.2009.01.01.02.42.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:42:57 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Nicoletta Da Ros Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:42:55 -0800 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 11:43:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495c9e3a292162336821329 post sunset sky is beautiful! colors, framing, contrast... wow. nico. On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:19 PM, Ken Norton wrote: I went eagle hunting yesterday with a friend here in Iowa. The wind was howling so it was a bust for eagles. But the sunset was very intense. Shameless plug alert. www.zone-10.com, "Fire and Ice" -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 11:54:44 2009 Received: (qmail 22599 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 10:54:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 10:54:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8394302A4 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD510D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:54:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728B634AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:54:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.118 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.118 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D581834AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:54:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:54:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from 212-166-137-198.red-acceso.airtel.net ([212.166.137.198]:49766) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1LILC3-0001RJ-5w (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:54:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , LEG , Olympus Camera Discussion Message-Id: <6F6DDCAB-7F53-4D7F-A1CB-802B9AA634E8@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:54:18 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 1/1/2009: a neighbour stops by X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 11:54:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ca0f4317791869477228 A new year, but the photography continues...this is my very first picture of 2009, taken about 5 minutes past midnight, when some neighbours stopped by my sister's to wish us a happy new year. http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#446345548_mRMiU-O-LB By no means technically perfect, but sometimes a picture pleases me despite imperfections. You can see in the EXIF that it was taken at a slowish speed, handheld. The lens is about 40 years older than the camera--the image was made with a 50mm Summilux (at f1.4) on an M8. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 11:55:14 2009 Received: (qmail 1020 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 10:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 10:55:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A0E43023E for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0461D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42D719DD69 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:55:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD93B19DD47 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:55:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24321 invoked by uid 502); 1 Jan 2009 10:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.172.123) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 10:55:07 -0000 Message-ID: <495CA0FD.8000302@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:54:53 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20EA5097-0B28-4FC7-9494-B7403B9BBA3F@frozenlight.eu> <9F98D98F-4160-4AF7-A572-98E1A36744EA@gmail.com> <079F5249-E904-4F00-B79F-CBF36A994C98@threeshoes.net> <32976629.54891229353294204.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <32976629.54891229353294204.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: [OM] BTFP [was Nathan's PAD 13/12/2008: the big moon] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 11:55:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ca112269711073733319 Dawid Loubser wrote: > ... > > The Tokina lens is not great - the colours suck, but it is pretty sharp, and it draws beautifully (apart from the bad CA). This was from a motor racing shoot, at 800mm the subject has to be MASSIVELY far away to even fit in the frame without cropping it: > > http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/Shelby-Daytona-60912549 > > and a crop, to see the old 1960s/1970s bazookha is really not too bad in the sharpness department: > > http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/Shelby-Daytona-Crop-60913115 > Much the conclusion I came to with my Tokina AT-X 150-500mm zoom. It's not apparently wildly sharp at the long end. On the other hand, it clearly resolves more detail than is available in a crop from the short end. Another thing to consider, assuming vibration has been controlled, is that many long tele shots tend to include a long column of air, dust, water vapor, etc., which reduces contrast and sharpness/resolution. For the same subject size on film, an 800mm lens will shoot through 10x the amount of air as an 80mm lens. I think really long lenses often get a bum rap for factors that aren't their fault. I really should rescan this with the 4000 dpi scanner and apply what I've learned in the last 2-3 years. Still, it came out rather well for a hurried tripod shot - no MLU/aperture pre-fire - and without the problems of distance. Shot at 5-6 m. Moose > > On the topic of ultra-telephoto-lenses: Have you ever seen the Tokina 800mm? It's quite rare, little mention of it on the web, if you are interested, this is what it looked like on my Canon Wunderbrick: > > http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/Tokina-800mm-f1-8-lens-61359279 > A monster indeed! You remind me that I haven't used the 150-500/5.6 for ages, mostly because of the size and weight, and it looks tiny next to the 800/8. With a 1.4x TC, it would be 700/8. I wonder if I ever did that? Probably not. Something to try someday. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 12:19:18 2009 Received: (qmail 25862 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 11:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 11:19:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE984302A4 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7ECD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA7034AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:19:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137D834AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:19:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:19:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1418 invoked by uid 502); 1 Jan 2009 11:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.169.204) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 11:19:08 -0000 Message-ID: <495CA69E.3000003@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:18:54 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <845050.39812.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9D57AA34-8D74-496D-BCEF-9A9D7ED6B9D2@frozenlight.eu> <494CDE65.4020003@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <494CDE65.4020003@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] BFTP [was G1 - Pop Photo camera of the year] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 12:19:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ca6b6160531023412894 I agree about Pop Photo - and yet. Mike Johnston chose the G1 as his runner-up Camera of the Year. They both say they did so for what seem to me to be very good reasons. Both admit it is far from the "best" camera introduced in 2008. Rather, they find it to be the camera that breaks through into new design and function territory. In another year that saw scads of variations on existing themes, the G1 stands out. The G1 is conservative, not going as far as the Micro 4/3 standard allows. On the other hand, it's a bold first step away from the beaten path. I'm betting and hoping that Oly will take those next steps toward gaining the full benefit, leaving the DSLR form factor for something really small and light. Yet, I'll bet it was Panasonic that drove the new standard, dragging a reluctant Oly with them. With competitive products in the entry level/small DSLR market, they can't have had much incentive to rush ahead. I'm also bemused by all the comparisons of the cost and size/weight of the G1 to the E-420. I guess they are just because it's the smallest DSLR. But the G1 has IS in it's lenses and a twist and tilt LCD, which puts it in the feature/performance category of the larger, heavier, relatively more expensive E-520. If the first Oly entry hits the mark and/or G1 prices drop enough, I could join a sub-set of the /43 ranks. Moose Chuck Norcutt wrote: > You got that right. It has always been thus. It's why I used to read Modern Photography (RIP) instead. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> I guess they are one of top advertisers in PopPhoto (or will be in 2009). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 12:25:20 2009 Received: (qmail 10303 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 11:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 11:25:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDA343024E for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D5DD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A230419DED7 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:25:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E00A19DEC5 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:25:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3694 invoked by uid 502); 1 Jan 2009 11:25:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.169.204) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 11:25:14 -0000 Message-ID: <495CA815.6050207@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:25:09 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <416861.87527.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <495C4AAA.8090008@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 12:25:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ca82010757927319144 On Dec 31, 2008, at 8:46 PM, Russ Butler wrote: > (Colder than a witches tit in a brass bra doing push ups in the snow :-)) > Sure it wasn't colder than the balls on a brass monkey on the shady side of an iceberg? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 12:25:38 2009 Received: (qmail 26175 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 11:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 11:25:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B564F4302EF for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:25:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22FF9D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C1934AC00C for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:25:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173D034AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:25:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:25:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B034615EE for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:43:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:25:29 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 12:25:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ca832134665368819438 Happy New Year to all. And it's time for a reminder about how to spell "its" and "it's" "Its" is the possessive pronoun, the possessive form of "it". "It's" is the short form of "it is". I know that I am trying to push pooh uphill with this, but it's an effort worth making. Cheers Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 12:35:56 2009 Received: (qmail 5518 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 11:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 11:35:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5389430324 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25F6D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F7219DEEB for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:35:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.118 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.118 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4529719DF08 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:35:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from 212-166-137-198.red-acceso.airtel.net ([212.166.137.198]:49901) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1LILq0-0007Mc-6T (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:35:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Nathan Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:35:36 +0100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 12:35:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495caa9c293111234514069 Good idea to remind all of this, Chris. The abuse of the English language is one of my pet peeves as well. Your example is one of the most common mistakes, but others that I have seen frequently in recent years include: principle/principal (example of correct usage: as a matter of principle, I refuse to shake the principal's hand) their/there (no examples should be needed here, it is just plain sloppy to get this one wrong) lens/lense (just to include something on topic; lense would have been correct in the 17th century, but this is 2009!) Cheers, Nathan (for whom English is an adopted, not native, language) On 01/01/2009, at 12:25, Chris Barker wrote: > Happy New Year to all. > > And it's time for a reminder about how to spell "its" and "it's" > > "Its" is the possessive pronoun, the possessive form of "it". > > "It's" is the short form of "it is". > > I know that I am trying to push pooh uphill with this, but it's an > effort worth making. > > Cheers > > Chris > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 13:44:37 2009 Received: (qmail 14099 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 12:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 12:44:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7759243026B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 04:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A782D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 04:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0157C19E0B8 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 04:44:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B2019E0B4 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 04:44:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.241]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 04:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so5777430rvb.50 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 04:44:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.204.20 with SMTP id g20mr8315413rvq.132.1230813866965; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 04:44:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.186.5 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 04:44:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <60f983080901010444g68bd6e01sc936dd1ec845dd3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:44:26 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <60f983080901010059x2b501dbpf6363848619184ae@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <60f983080812301539q368112f8v9ebaad2714b110e6@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080901010059x2b501dbpf6363848619184ae@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b25717ed0503b9ed Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 13:44:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495cbab5259981702588592 I missed the info from the website ( http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html ) & it recommends 9 mins developing time for Lucky 100 by TMAX developer. I made it less 2 mins, maybe it caused to low contrast :-( http://www.michaelphotography.net/others/Development/Picture01.png --- Michael 2009/1/1 Michael Wong > Chris, > Thanks. > > Yes, I agree with Siddiq's comment & I'll try to make development timing > longer or adjust the scale of developer to make contrast higher next time > :-) > > > --- > Michael > > > > 2009/1/1 Chris Barker > > Yes, Michael, I should say that that was successful. As Siddiq >> pointed out, there could be more contrast, but not if you didn't want >> it ... :-) >> >> Chris >> >> On 30 Dec 2008, at 23:39, Michael Wong wrote: >> >> > http://www.fotop.net/MichaelWong/Rollei35sBW >> > >> > Although it's not very good, the first step is successful ^_^ >> > >> > >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 14:27:24 2009 Received: (qmail 3286 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 13:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 13:27:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D2C43035A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FFFD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:27:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8ED34AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:27:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21AF34AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:27:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31371 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jan 2009 13:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 081231-1, 12/31/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 1/1/2009: a neighbour stops by X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 14:27:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495cc4bc67831234514069 A good catch. Had it been "technically perfect" I'm not sure that it would be nearly as effective. Chuck Norcutt Nathan wrote: > A new year, but the photography continues...this is my very first > picture of 2009, taken about 5 minutes past midnight, when some > neighbours stopped by my sister's to wish us a happy new year. > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#446345548_mRMiU-O-LB > > By no means technically perfect, but sometimes a picture pleases me > despite imperfections. You can see in the EXIF that it was taken at a > slowish speed, handheld. The lens is about 40 years older than the > camera--the image was made with a 50mm Summilux (at f1.4) on an M8. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 14:58:39 2009 Received: (qmail 13575 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 13:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 13:58:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6E94302E7 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D317DD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADC334AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:58:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A206434AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:58:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10141 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jan 2009 13:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 13:58:29 -0000 Message-ID: <495CCC05.7010908@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:58:29 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20EA5097-0B28-4FC7-9494-B7403B9BBA3F@frozenlight.eu> <9F98D98F-4160-4AF7-A572-98E1A36744EA@gmail.com> <079F5249-E904-4F00-B79F-CBF36A994C98@threeshoes.net> <32976629.54891229353294204.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <495CA0FD.8000302@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <495CA0FD.8000302@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081231-1, 12/31/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] BTFP [was Nathan's PAD 13/12/2008: the big moon] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 14:58:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ccc0f190331342116753 There's also more involved than just the size of the air column. In the case of David's racing shots he's shooting with a full-frame 8 MP camera at f/16 and panning with an 800mm lens at 1/200 second. The theoretical diffraction limit for a full-frame sensor at f/16 is 7 MP with a perfect lens. The lens, while good, is not perfect and so the choice of f/16 is limiting resolution to something less than 7 MP. f/11 would likely have been a better choice for resolution had it not been for the desire to have a slowish shutter speed to show some motion blur. And, while he's panning to help compensate for the slowish shutter speed, good as he obviously is, that panning motion can't possibly be the equivalent of a stationary lens on a rock steady tripod. Shooter and lens delivered a pleasing result but it would be difficult to judge the ultimate image quality of the lens based on these shooting conditions. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Dawid Loubser wrote: >> ... >> >> The Tokina lens is not great - the colours suck, but it is pretty sharp, and it draws beautifully (apart from the bad CA). This was from a motor racing shoot, at 800mm the subject has to be MASSIVELY far away to even fit in the frame without cropping it: >> >> http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/Shelby-Daytona-60912549 >> >> and a crop, to see the old 1960s/1970s bazookha is really not too bad in the sharpness department: >> >> http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/Shelby-Daytona-Crop-60913115 >> > > Much the conclusion I came to with my Tokina AT-X 150-500mm zoom. It's > not apparently wildly sharp at the long end. On the other hand, it > clearly resolves more detail than is available in a crop from the short > end. > > Another thing to consider, assuming vibration has been controlled, is > that many long tele shots tend to include a long column of air, dust, > water vapor, etc., which reduces contrast and sharpness/resolution. For > the same subject size on film, an 800mm lens will shoot through 10x the > amount of air as an 80mm lens. I think really long lenses often get a > bum rap for factors that aren't their fault. > > I really should rescan this with the 4000 dpi scanner and apply what > I've learned in the last 2-3 years. Still, it came out rather well for a > hurried tripod shot - no MLU/aperture pre-fire - and without the > problems of distance. Shot at 5-6 m. > > > Moose > >> On the topic of ultra-telephoto-lenses: Have you ever seen the Tokina 800mm? It's quite rare, little mention of it on the web, if you are interested, this is what it looked like on my Canon Wunderbrick: >> >> http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/Tokina-800mm-f1-8-lens-61359279 >> > > A monster indeed! You remind me that I haven't used the 150-500/5.6 for > ages, mostly because of the size and weight, and it looks tiny next to > the 800/8. With a 1.4x TC, it would be 700/8. I wonder if I ever did > that? Probably not. Something to try someday. :-) > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 15:10:19 2009 Received: (qmail 23967 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 14:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 14:10:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FE843035E for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08585D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D631D34AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:10:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CACC34AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:10:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15208 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jan 2009 14:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 14:10:12 -0000 Message-ID: <495CCEC3.3020509@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:10:11 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <845050.39812.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9D57AA34-8D74-496D-BCEF-9A9D7ED6B9D2@frozenlight.eu> <494CDE65.4020003@chucknorcutt.com> <495CA69E.3000003@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <495CA69E.3000003@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081231-1, 12/31/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] BFTP [was G1 - Pop Photo camera of the year] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 15:10:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ccecb234831073733319 I'm watching closely. I will buy the first camera that comes close to replicating the function of my Mynolta A1 which has both a much larger sensor (ala 4/3) and also a very high resolution EVF. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > I agree about Pop Photo - and yet. Mike Johnston chose the G1 as his > runner-up Camera of the Year. > > They both say they did so for what seem to me to be very good reasons. > Both admit it is far from the "best" camera introduced in 2008. Rather, > they find it to be the camera that breaks through into new design and > function territory. In another year that saw scads of variations on > existing themes, the G1 stands out. > > The G1 is conservative, not going as far as the Micro 4/3 standard > allows. On the other hand, it's a bold first step away from the beaten > path. I'm betting and hoping that Oly will take those next steps toward > gaining the full benefit, leaving the DSLR form factor for something > really small and light. Yet, I'll bet it was Panasonic that drove the > new standard, dragging a reluctant Oly with them. With competitive > products in the entry level/small DSLR market, they can't have had much > incentive to rush ahead. > > I'm also bemused by all the comparisons of the cost and size/weight of > the G1 to the E-420. I guess they are just because it's the smallest DSLR. > > But the G1 has IS in it's lenses and a twist and tilt LCD, which puts it > in the feature/performance category of the larger, heavier, relatively > more expensive E-520. > > If the first Oly entry hits the mark and/or G1 prices drop enough, I > could join a sub-set of the /43 ranks. > > Moose > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> You got that right. It has always been thus. It's why I used to read Modern Photography (RIP) instead. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> >>> I guess they are one of top advertisers in PopPhoto (or will be in 2009). > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 15:23:49 2009 Received: (qmail 28268 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 14:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 14:23:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3E043035B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:23:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F605D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:23:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDF234AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:23:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCA134AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:23:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from russlaptop ([72.79.25.31]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KCS00MV2QNAHAF3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:23:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:24:53 -0500 From: Russ Butler In-reply-to: <495CA815.6050207@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <495CD235.1000504@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081230-0, 2008.12.30), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <416861.87527.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <495C4AAA.8090008@verizon.net> <495CA815.6050207@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 15:23:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495cd1f5131891035110158 Moose wrote: > On Dec 31, 2008, at 8:46 PM, Russ Butler wrote: >> (Colder than a witches tit in a brass bra doing push ups in the snow :-)) >> > Sure it wasn't colder than the balls on a brass monkey on the shady side > of an iceberg? > Never heard that one. Must be a warm West coast thing :-) -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 15:38:36 2009 Received: (qmail 10434 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 14:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 14:38:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175D94302E1 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BC3D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:38:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B9E34AC00C for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:38:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CD634AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:38:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.123.171]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KCS00HQBRC1WTG0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:38:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:38:38 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <413867.26199.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <495CD56E.5020204@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <413867.26199.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) Subject: Re: [OM] santa monica, ca X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 15:38:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495cd56c284643675314703 Nice eye, Nicoletta! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html AS wrote: > Nice photos! I particularly like : PC290574. > > I wish I was in Santa Monica right about now! LOL!! Get away from the cold snow! > > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Nicoletta Da Ros wrote: > >> From: Nicoletta Da Ros >> Subject: [OM] santa monica, ca >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 3:33 AM >> hello all, >> >> i just uploaded a few photos i took a couple of days ago in >> santa >> monica, ca, at the pier. here you can find the set: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicolegaia/sets/72157611934198706/ >> >> i somehow managed to beat rush-hour traffic and make it >> there in time >> for sunset. >> >> i am aware that i am quite new at this, and in no way my >> photos are >> as beautiful as yours, you have way more experience than i >> do (i just >> got olivia a year ago - E-510). but precisely because of >> this, i >> would love it if you could let me know what you think; your >> input >> (positive as well as negative) is much appreciated. >> >> thanks to you all, and my best wishes for the new year to >> you and >> your loved ones. >> >> nico. >> >> -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 15:47:16 2009 Received: (qmail 27053 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 14:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 14:47:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A9243027A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38644D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:47:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0556834AC00C for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:47:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C75434AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:47:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:47:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.89.123.171]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KCS00FRORQHL933@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:47:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:47:18 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <495CD776.7080000@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 15:47:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495cd77438665368819438 Yes, thank you, Happy New Year to you all. Watched the ball drop last light, 15 degrees f outside, very windy, and icy roads. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Wayne Harridge wrote: > Happy New Year to all on the list ! > > ...Wayne > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 16:01:27 2009 Received: (qmail 6427 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 15:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 15:01:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8D443026B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:01:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BFDD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1764619E404 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:01:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4805B19E3D7 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:01:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DF6C96D0 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:21:38 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <79029E9A-E5A5-4518-98BE-CAFF9567069E@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:01:16 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 16:01:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495cdac744571529615919 Thanks, Nathan. It is a subject of embarrassment in our household: my wife works with people of several different nationalities in the RSPB* and they frequently comment on the poor standard of grammar in the learned papers that they have to read -- written by native English speakers! Chris On 1 Jan 2009, at 11:35, Nathan wrote: > Good idea to remind all of this, Chris. The abuse of the English > language is one of my pet peeves as well. Your example is one of the > most common mistakes, but others that I have seen frequently in > recent years include: > > principle/principal (example of correct usage: as a matter of > principle, I refuse to shake the principal's hand) > their/there (no examples should be needed here, it is just plain > sloppy to get this one wrong) > lens/lense (just to include something on topic; lense would have been > correct in the 17th century, but this is 2009!) > > Cheers, > Nathan (for whom English is an adopted, not native, language) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 16:02:32 2009 Received: (qmail 29383 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 15:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 15:02:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1054302DA for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73FCD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:02:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F76334AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:02:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9831334AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:02:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from extsmtp2.localnet.com (extsmtp2.localnet.com [207.251.194.40]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26023 invoked by uid 1013); 1 Jan 2009 15:02:25 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by holster (envelope-from , uid 1005) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 0.035561 secs); 01 Jan 2009 15:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp2.localnet.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 15:02:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 22468 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2009 15:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-12-187.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.12.187]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp5.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Jan 2009 15:02:32 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:09:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200901011009.04679.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 16:02:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495cdb0849098512572685 On Thursday, January 01, 2009 01:19, Ken Norton wrote: > I went eagle hunting yesterday with a friend here in Iowa. The wind was > howling so it was a bust for eagles. But the sunset was very intense. > Shameless plug alert. > > www.zone-10.com, "Fire and Ice" Very well done photo. I've always been fascinated by snow and ice and the myriad of forms and colors it takes. It 's also intriguing how much a covering of snow changes a landscape. -Doug -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 16:23:59 2009 Received: (qmail 21377 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 15:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 15:23:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8BD430363 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB87D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6062C34AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:23:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66B934AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:23:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from russlaptop ([72.79.25.31]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KCS00HHJTF7J9I3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:23:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:24:51 -0500 From: Russ Butler In-reply-to: <495CCEC3.3020509@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <495CE043.50701@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081230-0, 2008.12.30), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <845050.39812.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9D57AA34-8D74-496D-BCEF-9A9D7ED6B9D2@frozenlight.eu> <494CDE65.4020003@chucknorcutt.com> <495CA69E.3000003@gmail.com> <495CCEC3.3020509@chucknorcutt.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) Subject: Re: [OM] BFTP [was G1 - Pop Photo camera of the year] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 16:23:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ce00f217081499373980 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I'm watching closely. I will buy the first camera that comes close to > replicating the function of my Mynolta A1 which has both a much larger > sensor (ala 4/3) and also a very high resolution EVF. > Chuck & all: What EVF resolution do you think would approach that of our OMs? I realize that this is not a simple question (especially for me:-) -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 17:24:18 2009 Received: (qmail 6364 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 16:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 16:24:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0009443043F for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25E7D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E9719E693 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:24:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C1019E67D for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:24:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so519911fgb.36 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.86.12 with SMTP id j12mr9998197fgb.33.1230827046985; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.77.10 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:24:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0901010824v523af055g55ad583a8f114e24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:24:06 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <6F6DDCAB-7F53-4D7F-A1CB-802B9AA634E8@frozenlight.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6F6DDCAB-7F53-4D7F-A1CB-802B9AA634E8@frozenlight.eu> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 1/1/2009: a neighbour stops by X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 17:24:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495cee32184062070262475 Very nice image Nathan. Its a little soft but so what, it actually makes the shot and lets the viewer know its a shoot-from-the-hip shot. Well done. Charlie On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Nathan wrote: > A new year, but the photography continues...this is my very first > picture of 2009, taken about 5 minutes past midnight, when some > neighbours stopped by my sister's to wish us a happy new year. > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#446345548_mRMiU-O-LB > > By no means technically perfect, but sometimes a picture pleases me > despite imperfections. You can see in the EXIF that it was taken at a > slowish speed, handheld. The lens is about 40 years older than the > camera--the image was made with a 50mm Summilux (at f1.4) on an M8. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 17:26:16 2009 Received: (qmail 1894 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 16:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 16:26:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754674303EB for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D886D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D5334AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:26:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4405D34AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:26:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:26:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so520053fgb.36 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.100.19 with SMTP id x19mr9968456fgb.18.1230827166756; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.77.10 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:26:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0901010826l3c5b35d0k8572868197730c07@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:26:06 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <495C1D6A.7010207@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <495C1D6A.7010207@chucknorcutt.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 17:26:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ceea7325011023412894 Same to you Chuck. Charlie 36 F this AM but going up to 55 in PM On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Chuck Norcutt < chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com> wrote: > It's going down to +5F (-15C) tonight with 30 mph (50 kph) winds and > blowing snow. I wish you all a happy new year, improving prosperity and > warmer and gentler weather. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 17:28:48 2009 Received: (qmail 15825 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 16:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 16:28:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A684302CD for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EC9D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCD319E6B8 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:28:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C7E19E6AD for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:28:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so520220fgb.36 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.74.4 with SMTP id w4mr10018833fga.2.1230827321949; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.77.10 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:28:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0901010828j41541f47n709e0ee464f191c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:28:41 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 17:28:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495cef40203338512572685 Beautiful image Ken. What do eagles taste like? ;^) Charlie On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > I went eagle hunting yesterday with a friend here in Iowa. The wind was > howling so it was a bust for eagles. But the sunset was very intense. > Shameless plug alert. > > www.zone-10.com, "Fire and Ice" > > -- > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 17:42:54 2009 Received: (qmail 28389 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 16:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 16:42:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E175430324 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D994CD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E54F19E6FE for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:42:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D472C19E6FA for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:42:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7254 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jan 2009 16:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 081231-1, 12/31/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] BFTP [was G1 - Pop Photo camera of the year] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 17:42:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495cf28e327102070262475 I have no idea but I think I'd be quite happy at 1024x768. The A1 is only 320x240. The A2 is (I believe) 640x480. I've never had a chance to look through an A2. Maybe it's good enough but the A1 is only good enough for pointing and checking exposure. I believe that a high resolution EVF with resolution similar to your monitor would be clearly superior to any optical viewfinder. The A1 is an extraordinarily well executed tool including the way the EVF operates.... changes brightness relative to exposure, goes B&W under very low light. Its only drawbacks are a small sensor not much usable above ISO 100 and too little resolution on the EVF. Too bad Minolta bit the dust. They almost had it right. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt Russ Butler wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I'm watching closely. I will buy the first camera that comes close to >> replicating the function of my Mynolta A1 which has both a much larger >> sensor (ala 4/3) and also a very high resolution EVF. >> > > Chuck & all: > What EVF resolution do you think would approach that of our OMs? > I realize that this is not a simple question (especially for me:-) > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 17:54:28 2009 Received: (qmail 26932 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 16:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 16:54:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E484303F3 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266A9D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CB919E754 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:54:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6654719E719 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:54:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:54:21 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n01GsHi6027642 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:54:20 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6F6DDCAB-7F53-4D7F-A1CB-802B9AA634E8@frozenlight.eu> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:54:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 1/1/2009: a neighbour stops by X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 17:54:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495cf544132191869477228 Nathan, That is a beautiful example of what can be accomplished if one keeps the camera handy and watches for opportunities. Great shot! Happy New Year! Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan" To: "Picture a Day discussion group" ; "Leica Users Group" ; "LEG" ; "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:54 AM Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 1/1/2009: a neighbour stops by >A new year, but the photography continues...this is my very first > picture of 2009, taken about 5 minutes past midnight, when some > neighbours stopped by my sister's to wish us a happy new year. > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#446345548_mRMiU-O-LB > > By no means technically perfect, but sometimes a picture pleases me > despite imperfections. You can see in the EXIF that it was taken at a > slowish speed, handheld. The lens is about 40 years older than the > camera--the image was made with a 50mm Summilux (at f1.4) on an M8. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 18:03:23 2009 Received: (qmail 7866 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 17:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 17:03:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E97430322 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD073D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:03:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9586619E789 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:03:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B609719E784 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:03:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so1814576and.35 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.3.13 with SMTP id 13mr9477248anc.26.1230829395680; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:03:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:03:15 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0901010828j41541f47n709e0ee464f191c3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14883a8b0901010828j41541f47n709e0ee464f191c3@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b5637232bceced4c Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 18:03:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495cf75b223694673671140 > > Beautiful image Ken. What do eagles taste like? ;^) > Chicken -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 19:12:17 2009 Received: (qmail 10021 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 18:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 18:12:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25F6430502 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7850D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A088E19E9B3 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:12:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103F519E9AA for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:12:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:12:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KCT00G8I183PW60@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:12:03 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-10-64.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.10.64]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:52:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:12:02 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <4C90FBD9A50F4C63B2DD3D471DDE52C6@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AggPAD6WXEkYigpA/2dsb2JhbACBZogtwRgGhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,314,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="386728921" References: <14883a8b0901010828j41541f47n709e0ee464f191c3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 19:12:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d0781299338512572685 Downing an eagle in Canada would likely draw some serious jail time ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice > > >> Beautiful image Ken. What do eagles taste like? ;^) >> > > > Chicken > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 19:30:24 2009 Received: (qmail 23440 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 18:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 18:30:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCAA43044F for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B44D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:30:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AA819EA12 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:30:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F1E19EA0F for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:30:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:30:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so2063567yxi.80 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.178.2 with SMTP id a2mr9471567anf.114.1230834616549; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:30:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:30:16 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4C90FBD9A50F4C63B2DD3D471DDE52C6@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14883a8b0901010828j41541f47n709e0ee464f191c3@mail.gmail.com> <4C90FBD9A50F4C63B2DD3D471DDE52C6@hudson> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7296c9596eab14cd Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 19:30:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d0bc0147921838542571 > > Downing an eagle in Canada would likely draw some serious jail time ! Well, the same was true here too until recently. To, uh, clarify my position on this matter--the only shooting I do is with a camera. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 19:33:15 2009 Received: (qmail 14190 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 18:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 18:33:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4378243035D for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4019D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FE019EA2D for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:33:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8C419EA14 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:33:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so2063770yxi.80 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.143.14 with SMTP id q14mr9493974and.47.1230834786879; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:33:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:33:06 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0901010826l3c5b35d0k8572868197730c07@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <495C1D6A.7010207@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0901010826l3c5b35d0k8572868197730c07@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f82f5cfd628595b4 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 19:33:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d0c6b216989347015869 Cold is a brass toilet seat in the Yukon. PS: Do NOT put your tongue on it. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 19:34:36 2009 Received: (qmail 12694 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 18:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 18:34:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9284430333 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D5AD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:34:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97A419EA3D for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:34:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B605019EA2D for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:34:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E457C96BA for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:54:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <8B02D3AF-E6F5-4D5D-A1F2-2EB7907A5D12@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C90FBD9A50F4C63B2DD3D471DDE52C6@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:34:26 +0000 References: <14883a8b0901010828j41541f47n709e0ee464f191c3@mail.gmail.com> <4C90FBD9A50F4C63B2DD3D471DDE52C6@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 19:34:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d0cbc222951946193717 It think we're in danger of turning humour into fact, here ... Chris On 1 Jan 2009, at 18:12, John Hudson wrote: > Downing an eagle in Canada would likely draw some serious jail time ! > > jh > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice > > >>> >>> Beautiful image Ken. What do eagles taste like? ;^) >>> >> >> >> Chicken >> -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 19:36:33 2009 Received: (qmail 16473 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 18:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 18:36:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46579430322 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B20D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C841234AC00C for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:36:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC64134AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:36:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:36:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so1820843and.35 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:36:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.228.13 with SMTP id a13mr9478463anh.110.1230834985114; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:36:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:36:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:36:25 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <79029E9A-E5A5-4518-98BE-CAFF9567069E@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <79029E9A-E5A5-4518-98BE-CAFF9567069E@threeshoes.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d16068f52f0060bb Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 19:36:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d0d31280091529615919 Lets not loose our minds over this grammer thing. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 19:54:08 2009 Received: (qmail 30662 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 18:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 18:54:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F254303E7 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5A1D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929FE19EAB2 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:54:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB6719EA93 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:54:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC1EC9721 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:14:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <777D0BDA-69D1-4F87-BA4F-135A2953A5CC@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:53:58 +0000 References: <79029E9A-E5A5-4518-98BE-CAFF9567069E@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 19:54:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d1150263818512572685 Lovely! Chris On 1 Jan 2009, at 18:36, Ken Norton wrote: > Lets not loose our minds over this grammer thing. > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 20:29:30 2009 Received: (qmail 13724 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 19:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 19:29:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A815A1C40F3C for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5019BD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:29:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BB919EBBE for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:29:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE9A19EBB2 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:29:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so6977989wfd.26 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.238.4 with SMTP id l4mr7006655wfh.242.1230838162648; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:29:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901011129j773cc5eaha79363352c11f375@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:29:22 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 20:29:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d199a211145368819438 On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > I went eagle hunting yesterday with a friend here in Iowa. The wind was > howling so it was a bust for eagles. But the sunset was very intense. > Shameless plug alert. > > www.zone-10.com, "Fire and Ice" Nice dood. Here's one coming back at you: http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3156333461/ I like yours better as it is more poetic and I know what was suffered to get it. Lens artifact in mine -- one of the few disappointments about the DZs I have, as they are flare-prone. I had been used to gorgeous sunsets every night in the past here in Hawaii, but they have been in short supply lately here. Interesting clouds, though, and rainbows. One door closes, another opens. I'm watching the waning moments of the Iowa-S.Carolina game. The game was over sometime before the half, but they're running out the clock now. Go Hawks, Happy New Year all, and aloha for 2009! Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 20:30:06 2009 Received: (qmail 7098 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 19:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 19:30:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFE71C40515 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A35AD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDE419EBBE for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:30:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD82A19EBB2 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:30:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:29:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20399 invoked by uid 503); 1 Jan 2009 19:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Jeff410) (om-list@71.198.177.4) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 19:29:57 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CB38FF7CD31DE4-1C4C-164E@webmail-stg-d05.sysops.aol.com> <495AD6B1.4040609@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <495AD6B1.4040609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:30:05 -0800 Message-ID: <002401c96c47$5a3636b0$0ea2a410$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aclq7jm5w21GfzvfT/idOhovJXEbpgBVHUsQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [OM] News Flash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 20:30:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d19be74131023412894 I believe this is like the Quantum units. Each group can have more than one flash in it. By toggling small switches any combination of groups can be made to trigger simultaneously. This seems like it could be useful in a "studio situation", essentially selecting different lighting setups at the push of a few buttons. I vaguely remember someone using this feature for triggering high powered strobes at indoor basketball games. They simply chose which end of the court they were going to light up by toggling the switches (they might have been conserving the charge in their battery packs). The Quantum units can also use the channels as a relay to extend the range. The first slave is put about as far away as possible for reliable communication. When it triggers it sends out a trigger signal to the next unit on a different channel. I think I've only used more than one channel when I was experimenting. Once I get a good enough image, I move the lights. I don't know how many people need to set up multiple lighting combinations and select them via remote control. If the system has remote ratio control between the lights then the time spent walking over to the flash to adjust its power could be saved ... setting up could possibly be reduced to sprinkling numerous strobes around then adjusting everything remotely. -jeff keller -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:19 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] News Flash It will take some time to absorb all this and weigh it relative to the Alien Bees offerings. The JrX's ability to control "three groups" of Alien Bees lights seems strange. A modest studio setup usually consists of four lights. What use is there in only being able to control three? The Alien Bees Cybercommander will cost more but it controls 16 lights. Mumble, mumble. Dr. Flash -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 20:34:25 2009 Received: (qmail 4102 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 19:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 19:34:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3BF1C40F4D for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9226D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBEF19EBE2 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:34:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1242219EBE0 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:34:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so6979059wfd.26 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.6.19 with SMTP id j19mr7016686wfi.128.1230838458555; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:34:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901011134n2155ffc0x2f5b1c98651060dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:34:18 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <6F6DDCAB-7F53-4D7F-A1CB-802B9AA634E8@frozenlight.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <6F6DDCAB-7F53-4D7F-A1CB-802B9AA634E8@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 1/1/2009: a neighbour stops by X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 20:34:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d1ac1309791869477228 On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 4:54 AM, Nathan wrote: > A new year, but the photography continues...this is my very first > picture of 2009, taken about 5 minutes past midnight, when some > neighbours stopped by my sister's to wish us a happy new year. > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#446345548_mRMiU-O-LB > > By no means technically perfect, but sometimes a picture pleases me > despite imperfections. You can see in the EXIF that it was taken at a > slowish speed, handheld. The lens is about 40 years older than the > camera--the image was made with a 50mm Summilux (at f1.4) on an M8. > > Nathan What do you find technically deficient? I like everything about it. It is technically perfect I think with a certain amount of motion blur creating dynamism and interest in the subject. Congratulations on the early start to another wonderful year of photographs, Nathan! Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 20:59:42 2009 Received: (qmail 19833 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 19:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 19:59:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088A81C40F4B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD8AD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECFF19EC89 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:59:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572F119EC6C for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:59:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yEXd1a00B0x6nqcA8KzdAK; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 19:59:37 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yKzc1a0082Axmu48YKzctN; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 19:59:36 +0000 Message-ID: <5FDB8413C3074802B7F225EC8207E770@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <416861.87527.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com><495C4AAA.8090008@verizon.net><495CA815.6050207@gmail.com> <495CD235.1000504@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <495CD235.1000504@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:59:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 20:59:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d20ae7902046811720 I always heard, "It's cold enough to freeze the balls off of a brass monkey." and "Colder than a witches tit in the hand of Jack Frost." Used to say that we should bring the brass monkey in tonight, as it is going to get real cold. One that I heard once while in northern Maine was "Man, the Hawk's out there tonight". Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Butler" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Happy New Year > Moose wrote: >> On Dec 31, 2008, at 8:46 PM, Russ Butler wrote: >>> (Colder than a witches tit in a brass bra doing push ups in the snow >>> :-)) >>> >> Sure it wasn't colder than the balls on a brass monkey on the shady side >> of an iceberg? >> > > Never heard that one. Must be a warm West coast thing :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 21:09:33 2009 Received: (qmail 8846 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 20:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 20:09:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EAD1C40F55 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F17D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:09:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7C219ECAF for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:09:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7909C19ECAE for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:09:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KCT00GER6NOPNA0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:09:24 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-10-64.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.10.64]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:59:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:09:24 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <9352E3FF91934665BD476FB78658931B@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AggPAKuxXEkYigpA/2dsb2JhbACBZYgttn4IigQGhDIIgTI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,314,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="436440824" References: <60f983080812301539q368112f8v9ebaad2714b110e6@mail.gmail.com> <290196.46655.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <60f983080901010055g28c7a74dt4b0a93ea34b0b208@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W fil X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 21:09:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d22fd149301470116606 Way back when I recall that US made Lucky Strike cigarettes sold by the boatload on account of the word "Lucky" whereas Phillip Morris smokes struggled to survive ............ the reason being that "Morris" was verbalized in Cantonese as "mo lai see" or "no lucky" in English ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wong" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W fil > Thanks. > > Actually it is my second roll self-development B&W film. The first one was > total lost due to poor handling with metal reel, I take a Paterson > developing tank set with plastic bearing reel for this roll of film > development. Fortunately, I did it. > > Lucky film is made in China but the quality seems no as good as Kodak > TMAX. > I prefer TMAX 400 but practice with Lucky film since it's more cheaper > than > TMAX. > http://www.luckyfilm.com/eng/products_2_1.html > > > --- > Michael > > > > 2009/1/1 AS > >> Are you sure this is your first time? Photos came out nicely. >> >> What is Lucky 100 film? Just wondered. >> >> >> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Michael Wong wrote: >> >> > From: Michael Wong >> > Subject: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film >> > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 6:39 PM >> > http://www.fotop.net/MichaelWong/Rollei35sBW >> > >> > Although it's not very good, the first step is >> > successful ^_^ >> > >> > >> > >> > --- >> > Michael >> > -- >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Options: >> > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> > Archives: >> > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 21:32:12 2009 Received: (qmail 25958 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 20:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 20:32:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1261C40F56 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD18AD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC49219ED22 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:32:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693FB19ED1D for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:32:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.155]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:32:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2072054ywa.80 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:32:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.168.18 with SMTP id q18mr9537346ane.7.1230841923248; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:32:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:32:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:32:03 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901011129j773cc5eaha79363352c11f375@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901011129j773cc5eaha79363352c11f375@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 69273d0de13c7e13 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fire and Ice X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 21:32:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d284c119711869477228 > > Nice dood. Here's one coming back at you: > http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3156333461/ > Very nice. In total honesty, I'd rather be photographing your sunsets than mine. :) The wind, BTW, during the photographing of those shots was 35-40 mph, gusting much stronger. The only way to get anything even remotely sharp was to hide in the wind-shadow of the jeep. I had popped the door open and shot between the door frame and the A-pillar. (did I mention it was a COLD wind?) > I like yours better as it is more poetic and I know what was suffered > to get it. Lens artifact in mine -- one of the few disappointments > about the DZs I have, as they are flare-prone. Hmm. I hear people saying this, but in my experience ALL lenses are flare-prone, but the 14-54 on my E-1 is as close to perfect in holding off flare as I've ever encountered. I was really surprised at how flare-prone the 35-80 is and I had to work hard on the S-Turn shot to keep from getting the ghosts. Not nearly as bad as the 35/shift, but surprised me though. Shooting on the crop-sensor E-1 probably made it more pronounced, though. I'm not complaining, just observing that there is no free lunch when it comes to using the exceptionally sharp 35-80. I'm watching the waning moments of the Iowa-S.Carolina game. The game > was over sometime before the half, but they're running out the clock > now. Go Hawks, Happy New Year all, and aloha for 2009! > Yeah, maybe in 2009... At least you aren't a Cyclones fan. Talk about pathetic. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 21:37:05 2009 Received: (qmail 18232 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 20:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 20:37:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4D91C40F39 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B62D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D892234AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:36:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3093A34AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:36:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5262 invoked by uid 502); 1 Jan 2009 20:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.172.100) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 20:36:56 -0000 Message-ID: <495D2963.7040300@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:36:51 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <79029E9A-E5A5-4518-98BE-CAFF9567069E@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <79029E9A-E5A5-4518-98BE-CAFF9567069E@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 21:37:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d297138218512572685 Chris Barker wrote: > ... in the RSPB* Royal Society for the Prevention of Bullsh*te? We could use something like that on this side of the Pond. It would certainly have its hands full. ;-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 21:53:21 2009 Received: (qmail 18305 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 20:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 20:53:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A371C40F4F for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A882D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D61034AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:53:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE9034AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:53:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32699 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jan 2009 20:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090101-0, 01/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] News Flash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 21:53:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d2d40221551823421471 The ability to adjust the power level of lights individually and remotely is very valuable whether in a studio or on location such as a reception hall. One or more lights always end up out of reach by either distance or height or both. I may be mistaken but my view of light "groups" is that all the lights in the same group will not only be triggered at the same time but also have equal adjustments performed at the same time. For a typical studio setup you'd want 4 "groups" of one light each. The JrX's limit of 3 is one short. Dr. Flash Jeff Keller wrote: > > I think I've only used more than one channel when I was experimenting. Once > I get a good enough image, I move the lights. I don't know how many people > need to set up multiple lighting combinations and select them via remote > control. If the system has remote ratio control between the lights then the > time spent walking over to the flash to adjust its power could be saved ... > setting up could possibly be reduced to sprinkling numerous strobes around > then adjusting everything remotely. > > -jeff keller > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:19 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] News Flash > > It will take some time to absorb all this and weigh it relative to the > Alien Bees offerings. The JrX's ability to control "three groups" of > Alien Bees lights seems strange. A modest studio setup usually consists > of four lights. What use is there in only being able to control three? > The Alien Bees Cybercommander will cost more but it controls 16 lights. > > Mumble, mumble. > > Dr. Flash > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 22:05:08 2009 Received: (qmail 22360 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 21:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 21:05:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A301C40F4B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0BAD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:05:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9223E19EDAD for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:05:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95B319EDA8 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:05:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBC1C96FE for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:25:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <495D2963.7040300@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:05:00 +0000 References: <79029E9A-E5A5-4518-98BE-CAFF9567069E@threeshoes.net> <495D2963.7040300@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 22:05:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d300472031869477228 Sorry, I meant to explain, hence the asterisk: Royal Society for the Protection of Birds. It's quite a large charity with a lot to do with conservation as part of its role in protecting birds. For some reason many foreigners want to work there; it must be interesting because it's not very well paid ... :-) Chris On 1 Jan 2009, at 20:36, Moose wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: >> ... in the RSPB* > > Royal Society for the Prevention of Bullsh*te? > > We could use something like that on this side of the Pond. It would > certainly have its hands full. ;-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 22:33:43 2009 Received: (qmail 8422 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 21:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 21:33:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52681C40F50 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D1BD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A2534AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:33:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BA234AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:33:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14492 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jan 2009 21:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090101-0, 01/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 1/1/2009: a neighbour stops by X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 22:33:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d36b721741234514069 The technical error is not motion blur (there is that too) but shooting at an apparent distance of about 5 feet (1.5 meter) on a small sensor camera (Leica M8) at f/1.4. The DoF at that distance and aperture and using that camera is only about 2-1/4" (57 mm). However, that's assuming about an 8X enlargement. Given the small size of the screen image the DoF is probably more like double that or about 4-1/2" (114mm). But even that doesn't help much. If you critically examine for focus you'll see that the only thing that's in focus in this image is the bracelet. Given the shallow DoF at f/1.4 it would be extremely difficult to capture even both eyes in focus the way her head is turned. Despite that the image works and works well. But let's not confuse why the image looks as it does. Shoot another one at 5 feet and f/1.4 on an M8 against a moving target and it will also quite likely be out of focus. Dr. Flash (at f/8) Joel Wilcox wrote: > On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 4:54 AM, Nathan wrote: >> A new year, but the photography continues...this is my very first >> picture of 2009, taken about 5 minutes past midnight, when some >> neighbours stopped by my sister's to wish us a happy new year. >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#446345548_mRMiU-O-LB >> >> By no means technically perfect, but sometimes a picture pleases me >> despite imperfections. You can see in the EXIF that it was taken at a >> slowish speed, handheld. The lens is about 40 years older than the >> camera--the image was made with a 50mm Summilux (at f1.4) on an M8. >> >> Nathan > > What do you find technically deficient? I like everything about it. > It is technically perfect I think with a certain amount of motion blur > creating dynamism and interest in the subject. Congratulations on the > early start to another wonderful year of photographs, Nathan! > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 22:59:38 2009 Received: (qmail 27181 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 21:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 21:59:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242B81C4050A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD71D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205C234AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:59:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995EF34AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:59:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:59:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D74631410A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:23:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8143140CE for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:23:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <495D3CC4.6010908@interisland.net> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:59:32 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081231-1, 12/31/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: [OM] FS: A few items X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 22:59:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d3cca86451035110158 Some of these items haven't been used in too long so they have to go. I'll be adding more as I go through my closet. No hassle return after a reasonable time for list members if not satisfied. If there is a special item you need just ask and I'll see if I have one around here taking up space. Trades welcome if something I need. I'll ship anywhere at cost. MO preferred. Checks OK. If you must do Paypal I'll split the cost. -85~250/5 Zuiko zoom w/ Oly caps. Glass is fine, a few dust specks inside, aperture snappy. A few blemishes in the black paint and the hood slides freely. An original tripod mount is included but is missing some paint. Asking $140US I fount this to be a sharp and contrasty lens with the best bokeh of the longer Zuiko zooms -35~105 Zuiko w/ Oly caps Glass is fine with the exception of a small blemish 1mm from the front outside ring. Hard to find and does not affect performance. Some paint edge shine. Asking $45US This is/was my main walk around lens on the 4t. Has the handy close focus feature. -OM77AF body w/28~85 lens. Have to tape the battery door. Recordata Back 100. as is $10 -35~70/4 asking $25US Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 23:33:58 2009 Received: (qmail 3299 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 22:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 22:33:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FC01C40F5B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0F9D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB9E34AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:33:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F7934AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:33:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2480 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jan 2009 22:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jan 2009 22:33:50 -0000 Message-ID: <495D44CD.7020304@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:33:49 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <495D3CC4.6010908@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <495D3CC4.6010908@interisland.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090101-0, 01/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] FS: A few items X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 23:33:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d44d6165431234514069 Since I've already got one I don't need another but, if you could use a lightweight and compact walkaround lens it's hard to beat the 34-70/4. Chuck Norcutt Mike Lazzari wrote: > Some of these items haven't been used in too long so they have to go. > I'll be adding more as I go through my closet. No hassle return after a > reasonable time for list members if not satisfied. If there is a special > item you need just ask and I'll see if I have one around here taking up > space. Trades welcome if something I need. I'll ship anywhere at cost. > MO preferred. Checks OK. If you must do Paypal I'll split the cost. > > -85~250/5 Zuiko zoom w/ Oly caps. Glass is fine, a few dust specks > inside, aperture snappy. A few blemishes in the black paint and the hood > slides freely. An original tripod mount is included but is missing some > paint. Asking $140US I fount this to be a sharp and contrasty lens with > the best bokeh of the longer Zuiko zooms > > -35~105 Zuiko w/ Oly caps Glass is fine with the exception of a small > blemish 1mm from the front outside ring. Hard to find and does not > affect performance. Some paint edge shine. Asking $45US This is/was my > main walk around lens on the 4t. Has the handy close focus feature. > > -OM77AF body w/28~85 lens. Have to tape the battery door. Recordata > Back 100. as is $10 > > -35~70/4 asking $25US > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 1 23:56:21 2009 Received: (qmail 18261 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2009 22:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jan 2009 22:56:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97E11C40F4A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:56:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333BFD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA66C19F08B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:56:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DAF19F085 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:56:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n01Mu2pI020783 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:56:12 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:55:59 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclsBRzD/vbDvCTzQOK+nQCctuQGRwAXuGkg Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 1 23:56:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d4a1553122336821329 > their/there (no examples should be needed here, it is just plain > sloppy to get this one wrong) You can add "they're" to that list too ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 03:12:37 2009 Received: (qmail 24682 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 02:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 02:12:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11D31C40F5D for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75641D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:12:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E1019F43B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:12:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F0B19F435 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:12:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.251]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so5959607rvb.50 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.14.20 with SMTP id 20mr7149178wfn.79.1230862347168; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:12:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:12:27 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 03:12:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d7815290531234514069 We enjoyed a wonderful New Year's Eve with the Honolulu relatives and plentiful fireworks, which kept the kids heartily engaged from the end of dinner until about 1 AM of the young new year. The highlight of this gathering for me every two years is being with a couple cousins who are as interested in photography as I. These two are both Canaan ("land of hulk and money") shooters, and I got a chance to spend some quality moments with the 5D MkII. Vern was showing me all the great new features of this model -- Live View, the sensor cleaner, the cool new shortcut menu on the LCD. Neato stuff. I mentioned how much I've enjoyed these features through the years, HA! Actually, the 5D has an awe-inspiring LCD -- huge and beautifully clear. Wonderful. ISO 6400 very impressive indeed and whips the E-3 at 3200 by several strides. HD movies -- right up my alley (OK, not really). In the dimly lit room in which we were looking over the camera, I noted that it focused quickly and ably, though I didn't find it noticeably faster than the E-3. I didn't have the opportunity to compare shots outside of the children playing with fireworks in the dark,but I didn't notice any issues with the E-3 getting AF to lock on in these circumstances. I got plenty blurry photographs but mainly from motion blur. I like Live View on the Canaan, which works similarly to the E-3, at least prior to taking the shot. The E-3 recovers for the next shot a little more slowly than the Canaan. I didn't get a chance to see all the subtleties of focus in Live View on the Canaan, but it has the ability to enlarge a small area of the screen for refinement of focus. Vern said it's easiest just to focus manually in LV, which I would tend to say is also true of the E-3, but I am getting more trustful of AF in LV on the E-3 and use both AF and MF in about equal amounts. The other shooter, Kev, uses a Rebel XT, but he's handled a huge amount of equipment compared to me and is a photo-journalist. He's been on the Obama watch and would be considered a paparazzi if he were freelance, but he works for a news network, so I guess he's a regular joe. He mentioned that he was recently about to spring for a used E-300 body with kit lenses that was absurdly cheap but missed it by the time he'd made up his mind. Once we'd both finished doodling with the 5D, he began to check out my E-3. Canaan guys seem so used to that jog dial it is almost impossible to expose the handling smarts of the E-3. I can understand that. I hadn't meant to make a big deal about the wonders of IS, but as I was showing how close the DZ 14-54 and 50-200 can focus in the dimly lit living room to illustrate one of the differences between mine of the kits lenses he had almost bought, it became apparent very quickly to him how terrific the IS really is. He got very excited and started torture testing it. He focused on a plaque on the wall across the room at 200mm and shutter speed of 1/30 and was actually deliberately moving the camera as he fired the shutter. His jaw dropped when he saw the capture during these experiments. (My thought was "He must be good if he thinks he might be able to get too sharp capture a 1/30 with that focal length such that he needs to move the camera deliberately!") Like many a pro PJ, he shoots only jpg, so I took some time to show him the things I like about RAW development with Lightroom. I don't know if I made any headway with that. I think the RAW-jpg chasm is harder to cross in some ways than the Canaan-Nikorn (or Canaan-Everybody else) chasm. In general, we were all impressed with the 5D but were happy to leave with the ladies who accompanied us there, so to speak. Incidentally, the 5D MkII can shoot in RAW mode at half the MP. Vern said at one point, "Who really needs 24 MP RAW files? 12 do very nicely." No arguments from me! Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 04:58:59 2009 Received: (qmail 3536 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 03:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 03:58:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6441C40F3F for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A3CD0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:58:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749D134AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:58:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7D134AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:58:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so1858896and.35 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 19:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.140.15 with SMTP id n15mr9621102and.111.1230868732029; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 19:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:58:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:58:51 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 432184123f716bca Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 04:58:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d9103232271073733319 Joel (playing with fire) Wilcox wrote: > > Actually, the 5D has an awe-inspiring LCD -- huge and beautifully > clear. Wonderful. One thing that bugs me about this is that the better the LCD, the more I'm distracted from the actual chore of actually taking pictures. Granted, this is an immature attitude, but the distraction of chimping is real. Like many a pro PJ, he shoots only jpg, so I took some time to show > him the things I like about RAW development with Lightroom. I don't > know if I made any headway with that. I think the RAW-jpg chasm is > harder to cross in some ways than the Canaan-Nikorn (or > Canaan-Everybody else) chasm. In general, we were all impressed with > the 5D but were happy to leave with the ladies who accompanied us > there, so to speak. > Raw Therapee just might be an adequate non-Apple/Adobe answer to much of the work-flow and non-spot image-adjustment issues surrounding RAW and JPEG. I'm getting more and more impressed with the program even when working with JPEG files. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 05:05:50 2009 Received: (qmail 16840 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 04:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 04:05:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCC31C40F4C for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:05:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB81D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7D719F680 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:05:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4F519F63E for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:05:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so1859280and.35 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:05:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.207.14 with SMTP id e14mr9636692ang.60.1230869143471; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:05:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:05:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:05:43 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <495D2D38.2010402@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CB38FF7CD31DE4-1C4C-164E@webmail-stg-d05.sysops.aol.com> <495AD6B1.4040609@chucknorcutt.com> <002401c96c47$5a3636b0$0ea2a410$@com> <495D2D38.2010402@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 31b121b68840f49f Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] News Flash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 05:05:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d929e246921585427447 > > For a typical studio setup you'd want 4 "groups" of one > light each. The JrX's limit of 3 is one short. > Could a person gang two of these transmitters together to have 6 groups? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 05:43:59 2009 Received: (qmail 19649 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 04:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 04:43:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8BB1C40F5B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB39D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D88534AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:43:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D14934AC005 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:43:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from extsmtp2.localnet.com (extsmtp2.localnet.com [207.251.194.40]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25041 invoked by uid 1013); 2 Jan 2009 04:43:50 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by holster (envelope-from , uid 1005) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 0.036448 secs); 02 Jan 2009 04:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp2.localnet.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 04:43:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 8564 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 04:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-15-241.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.15.241]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Jan 2009 04:43:53 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:50:44 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <49585DDA.8070502@interisland.net> <495A7ECA.7060002@chucknorcutt.com> <62C2C7E88ECC40479E65336F4EF16889@hudson> In-Reply-To: <62C2C7E88ECC40479E65336F4EF16889@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200901012350.44985.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Vivitar 285HV Zoom Thyristor flash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 05:43:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495d9b8f158921585427447 On Tuesday, December 30, 2008 17:18, John Hudson wrote: > Chuck .... I am trying without much success to place the second sentence in > context with the first and third sentence. How does a tall bracket exert > any leverage at all and how is any leverage relevant to not having any AA > batteries in the flash gun ? > > I'm confused :-) > > jh The flash bracket acts same way that a longer or heavier lens does, just in a different plane. Picture the camera and flash being held with the flash to the side with the camera positioned for a vertical shot. -Doug -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 07:58:14 2009 Received: (qmail 28070 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 06:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 06:58:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B33B1C402FD for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:58:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC8ED0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E70134AC009 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:58:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF0734AC002 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:58:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:58:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C6B461586 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 07:15:56 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <2E26CDB7-D58C-4A00-A75F-0B69CF65F9DC@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:58:02 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 07:58:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495dbb06245641585427447 And "you're". Chris On 1 Jan 2009, at 22:55, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> their/there (no examples should be needed here, it is just plain >> sloppy to get this one wrong) > > You can add "they're" to that list too ! > > ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 08:08:04 2009 Received: (qmail 24149 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 07:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 07:08:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F99A1C40F3A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17063D0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0532E19F95F for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:07:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739CD19F949 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:07:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEE246158B for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 07:25:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 07:07:57 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 08:08:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495dbd54310942046811720 Thanks, Joel, I enjoyed reading that, and Happy New Year :-) You didn't mention size: how does the 5D compare in size and heft with the E-3? Chris On 2 Jan 2009, at 02:12, Joel Wilcox wrote: > We enjoyed a wonderful New Year's Eve with the Honolulu relatives and > plentiful fireworks, which kept the kids heartily engaged from the end > of dinner until about 1 AM of the young new year. The highlight of > this gathering for me every two years is being with a couple cousins > who are as interested in photography as I. These two are both Canaan > ("land of hulk and money") shooters, and I got a chance to spend some > quality moments with the 5D MkII. Vern was showing me all the great > new features of this model -- Live View, the sensor cleaner, the cool > new shortcut menu on the LCD. Neato stuff. I mentioned how much I've > enjoyed these features through the years, HA! snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 08:10:15 2009 Received: (qmail 13020 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 07:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 07:10:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5334A1C4050B for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF6ED0404A for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E3E19F965 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:10:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F4E19F961 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:10:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.112]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17391 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2009 07:10:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rAQYRmYVM1lC88Nrs0n3DbOwFUkdLE3fFkQ6GRoDRP6WP0ODet5IwZF1WJuZ1vK3s8QGBgp0HDq0uCpe0s1Q6hIt0az5NN1m6Miq9ajWxHLRoDti5_3_52vAmnZs8kqJryId40PATYZ7wVMRH.x5ijknLoObIcxtvHNSrw4BW7ZhN9TgpdNfXn6ZgpHfSNzWUTyvILGUqRm.R7UaonWyBkCM.zZY5iQ- Received: from [70.231.249.143] by web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:10:08 PST X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:10:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <924D2D745BFF48C198E8202577143475@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <133894.16341.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Vivitar 285HV Zoom Thyristor flash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 08:10:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495dbdd77951073733319 John, I love the Metz CT60's, but the pack when used with dryfit is heavy on your shoulder. However... That is why I replaced the dryfit (~1200gm) with a Li-FePO4 battery (200gm). This can also be (safely) completely recharged in 20 minutes. It also produces 10% more, full power (200J) flashes than the stock Dryfit. Remeber the T32 is a 70J flash, so the CT60 Metz is equivalent ~3xT32's Note this Li battery, hardly weighs more than the 4xNiMh + 4spare cells : ~200gm for Li versus ~162 gm for 8xNiMh cells (vs 1200gm for the Dryfit). The actual CT60-1 head weighs only 70gm more than a T32 but is easier to handle because it acts as a handgrip. The CT60-1 head weighs ~318gm A t32 incl 4xNimh weighs ~249gm --- On Wed, 12/31/08, John Hudson wrote: > Several years ago I shot a wedding using an OM4T and a Metz > 60 CT4 [not using the Stroboframe!] . The weight of the dry fit battery > carried on a shoulder strap was a real pain ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 10:05:24 2009 Received: (qmail 31902 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 09:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 09:05:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2ACF43019D for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BE6440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4D134AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:05:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E30234AC009 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:05:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LIfxw-0006xw-S0 for ; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:05:12 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:05:07 +0100 Message-ID: <9dlrl45pc7crvspg19d4ug2vcfhmuqcgo6@4ax.com> References: <79029E9A-E5A5-4518-98BE-CAFF9567069E@threeshoes.net> <777D0BDA-69D1-4F87-BA4F-135A2953A5CC@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <777D0BDA-69D1-4F87-BA4F-135A2953A5CC@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 10:05:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495dd8d4103557927319144 I wonder why English grammar is giving so much trouble to its native speakers. All other languages that I have have been taught in (German, French, Russian, Spanish) have much more grammar than the English language. So do my own Dutch (and of course the Greek and Latin which most of our languages more or less originate from). English is very poor in grammar, so it must be easy to learn the few rules that exist. It is very rich in idiom, but mistakes you make with that have nothing to do with grammar. And the pronunciation is sometimes bizar: no rules at all, I would say. Only experience will teach you how to do it. My CEPD (Cambridge English Pronunciation Dictionary) with CD helps a lot though. For the grammar, I just don't understand 'your' problems with it. I envy you for its simplicity! Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL ps. I must add that I am happy being allowed some mistakes with the English grammar, since I only adopted the language ;-) When I am in London I am sometimes asked if I live in Scotland. I always hesitate: is this to be assessed as a compliment or rather the opposite...? Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:53:58 +0000, Chris Barker wrote: >Lovely! > >Chris > >On 1 Jan 2009, at 18:36, Ken Norton wrote: > >> Lets not loose our minds over this grammer thing. >> AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 10:31:30 2009 Received: (qmail 14548 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 09:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 09:31:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815DF430377 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6250C440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:31:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4757034AC009 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:31:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136AB34AC002 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:31:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.112]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:31:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20154 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2009 09:31:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uqCvI2MVM1mhosNO8Sq710SIXgSSbB.9_ptlOULUM_hQPTokvXRcmGTgcQb4Zgx12uhk_w2PMO3OqZQK0SGI_fmqOrRqFUtuoWIcCSAhhx4oh2QDGRDGu5N2fqvHIK.Drf3gMSnigmDDPv0nz43V3SkgrmtE6k.Wbhb1dXKxCr1f4HYRclEXt0GZ7ZFlvJvLbJU1_RfiLl0XPbip76dZZ8uzAEi8Y_A- Received: from [70.231.249.143] by web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:31:20 PST X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:31:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <133894.16341.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <200339.18750.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Vivitar 285HV Zoom Thyristor flash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 10:31:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ddef2291422046811720 I previously hit send accidently, before I checked the numbers I had jotted down for the weight comparisons of flashes. See previous post below Here is an updated,corrected, more detailed comparison,between Metz and Tseries flashes. ---------------------------------- John, I love the Metz CT60's, but as you say the pack when used with Dryfit battery is rather heavy on your shoulder. However... That is why I replaced the dryfit (~1200gm) with a Li-FePO4 battery (200gm). This can also be (safely) completely recharged in 20 minutes. It also produces 10% more, full power (200J) flashes than the stock Dryfit. Remember the T32 is a 70J flash, so the CT60 Metz is equivalent ~3xT32's Note the T45 is almost as heavy as CT60 with Pb Dryfit battery, but all the weight is on camera, while Ct60 is mostly in pack on shoulder. The Li battery powered Metz Ct60 version, is much lighter than a T45 and achieves 80% more flashes, with an on camera more like that of a T32. Note the *on camera* Metz head is similar to T32 in wt, but much easier to hold with its convenient handle grip.. Here is a summary of weight comparisons: T32 440gm 70J, GN32m, 24mm CT60-1 481gm (head on camera ) 200J,GN60m, 28mm CT60-4 650gm (head on camera ) 200J,GN60m, 28mm CT60-1 1024gm (tot head+pack,with Li Batt), >180 full flashes T45 1569gm (tot,all on camera) 140J,GN45m,24mm,100flashes CT60-1 1611gm (tot head+pack, with Pb Dryfit) 160 full flashes CT60-4 1173gm (tot,head+pack, with Li batt) ----------------------------------------------------- Here is detailed breakdown: T32 Spec no battery 320gm Batt 4xNiMh 120gm (sanyo 30gm/cell, ultralast 26gm/cell = 104gm) Total 440gm -------------------------------------------------------- T45 Spec (no battery) 1129gm Battery measured 440gm Total 1569gm (spec 100 full 70J flashes) ------------------------------------------------------------- Metz CT60-1 (with Pb Dryfit) Gun head CT60-1 481gm Pack+ Dryfit Batt 1130gm Pack+Dryfit+Head CT60-1 1611gm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Battery comparison: Dryfit Batt alone 900gm (Dryfit spec 160 full 200J flashes) LiFePO4 alone 314gm (LiFePO4 >180 full 200J flashes) 4xNiMh cells 100-120gm 8xNiMh cells 200-240gm ------------------------------------------------------------------ Metz CT60-1 (with LiFePO4) Gun head CT60-1 481gm Pack+LiFePO4 544gm Pack+LiFePO4+HeadCT60-1 1024gm ------------------------------------------------------------------ Newer CT60-4 head is 160gm heavier,has more features + extra fill flash tube) Pack+LiFePO4+HeadCT60-4 1173gm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Hughes --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Tim Hughes wrote: > From: Tim Hughes > Subject: Re: [OM] Vivitar 285HV Zoom Thyristor flash > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 11:10 PM > John, > I love the Metz CT60's, but the pack when used > with dryfit is heavy on your shoulder. However... > > That is why I replaced the dryfit (~1200gm) with a Li-FePO4 > battery (200gm). This can also be (safely) completely > recharged in 20 minutes. It also produces 10% more, full > power (200J) flashes than the stock Dryfit. > > Remeber the T32 is a 70J flash, so the CT60 Metz is > equivalent ~3xT32's > > Note this Li battery, hardly weighs more than the 4xNiMh + > 4spare cells : ~200gm for Li versus ~162 gm for 8xNiMh cells > (vs 1200gm for the Dryfit). > > The actual CT60-1 head weighs only 70gm more than a T32 but > is easier to handle because it acts as a handgrip. > > The CT60-1 head weighs ~318gm > A t32 incl 4xNimh weighs ~249gm > > > > > --- On Wed, 12/31/08, John Hudson > wrote: > > > Several years ago I shot a wedding using an OM4T and a > Metz > > 60 CT4 [not using the Stroboframe!] . The weight of > the dry fit battery > > carried on a shoulder strap was a real pain ... > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 10:35:29 2009 Received: (qmail 13008 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 09:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 09:35:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC60B4302A9 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4700E440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:35:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B39319DEE1 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:35:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA10619DE95 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:35:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1401 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 09:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.171.28) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 09:35:18 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:35:13 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 10:35:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ddfe1213801591313764 On 02/01/2009, at 9:55 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> their/there (no examples should be needed here, it is just plain >> sloppy to get this one wrong) > > You can add "they're" to that list too ! > > ...Wayne As in "They're out to get me" How about adding bottom posters while you're at it? :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 10:41:56 2009 Received: (qmail 11435 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 09:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 09:41:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8C9430363 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:41:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83FE440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD51D34AC002 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:41:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923D634AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:41:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:41:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29697 invoked by uid 502); 2 Jan 2009 09:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.161.120) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Jan 2009 09:41:45 -0000 Message-ID: <495DE154.6050106@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:41:40 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 10:41:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495de164237711073733319 Chris Barker wrote: > You didn't mention size: how does the 5D compare in size and heft with the E-3? > Why does it always have to be about size? :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 10:44:18 2009 Received: (qmail 25543 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 09:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 09:44:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997FD430376 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:44:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B46440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:44:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B114B19DF10 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:44:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8DB19DEF9 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:44:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:44:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30516 invoked by uid 502); 2 Jan 2009 09:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.161.120) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Jan 2009 09:44:10 -0000 Message-ID: <495DE1E4.8010704@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:44:04 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 10:44:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495de1f2239102070262475 Andrew Fildes wrote: > How about adding bottom posters while you're at it? :-) > OMG! If they are putting ads on rears in Oz, how long can it be before a(r)sses will be trying to sell us stuff everywhere? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 11:08:08 2009 Received: (qmail 26372 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 10:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 10:08:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F30E1C40F44 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBA3440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A88419DFD5 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:08:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC4219DFD3 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:08:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3841 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 10:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.171.28) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 10:07:58 -0000 In-Reply-To: <9dlrl45pc7crvspg19d4ug2vcfhmuqcgo6@4ax.com> References: <79029E9A-E5A5-4518-98BE-CAFF9567069E@threeshoes.net> <777D0BDA-69D1-4F87-BA4F-135A2953A5CC@threeshoes.net> <9dlrl45pc7crvspg19d4ug2vcfhmuqcgo6@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) Message-Id: <7EDFD1E5-0BEE-4400-89CB-07F07A9660CF@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:07:53 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [SPAM] Re: HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 11:08:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495de788259262070262475 It is essentially a blended language with both teutonic and Latinate origins - that accounts for a lot of the complexity in vocabulary and irregularity in grammar and pronunciation. It has then been simplified by removing inflected endings for instance. I suspect that formal grammar is taught in countries where the language has more formal rules while it is more or less ignored in Britain and other English-speaking countries and I think always has been. The upper level of the two tier system in England was known as the Grammar Schools and required entry by examination with a pass rate below 25%. I think Germany still practices a version of this in some states. There I was taught strict grammar, but it wasn't popular. There is now an alternative form of English taught in my state at final years of High School called 'English Language' - students study the history of the language and formal grammar. It's quite popular with the right kind of student. (The other alternatives are 'English', 'English Literature' and 'English as a Second Language' - students must pass one of the four and can only do ESL if they've been in Australia less than six years and come from a non- English background). In fact there are a remarkable number or formal rules, as most printers and publishers used to know. Most people are unaware of them and learn by pattern recognition.They go well beyond the 'i before e except after c' type of rule. The most common errors are to do with spelling, homophones and apostrophes. Most languages work on a two level system of use - formal and demotic. This is most clearly distinguished in Greek - but I don't think you'll hear literary 'Karathevousa' (sp?) spoken in the streets of Piraeus very much. As I remember, it has about 14 cases, compared to four or six for demotic Greek. And cases are a nice example - English has 'cases' but hardly any English speaker would be able to identify any of them. And you can't fool me - most languages are butchered on a daily basis by their native speakers. I remember being taught the subjunctive in French at school, in laborious detail, only to discover later that the French almost always avoid it. And somewhere I have an excellent book on the correct usage of vulgar French - such valuable verbs as foutre which don't seem to feature in regular dictionaries. Some idiomatic expressions are quite bizarre. It even has a full chapter on the correct hand and facial gestures for different situations, especially driving. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/01/2009, at 8:05 PM, Frank van Lindert wrote: > English is very poor in grammar, so it must be easy to learn the few > rules that exist. It is very rich in idiom, but mistakes you make with > that have nothing to do with grammar. And the pronunciation is > sometimes bizar: no rules at all, I would say. Only experience will > teach you how to do it. My CEPD (Cambridge English Pronunciation > Dictionary) with CD helps a lot though. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 11:09:06 2009 Received: (qmail 18984 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 10:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 10:09:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF93A1C40F54 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:09:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C4F440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F61334AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:09:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE3934AC002 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:09:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3870 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 10:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.171.28) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 10:08:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <495DE1E4.8010704@gmail.com> References: <495DE1E4.8010704@gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:08:54 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 11:09:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495de7c2230651342116753 Bill Posters is innocent! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/01/2009, at 8:44 PM, Moose wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> How about adding bottom posters while you're at it? :-) >> > > OMG! If they are putting ads on rears in Oz, how long can it be before > a(r)sses will be trying to sell us stuff everywhere? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 11:18:45 2009 Received: (qmail 22935 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 10:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 10:18:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8B61C40F43 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4790B440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3913A34AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:18:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B973434AC002 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:18:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11843 invoked by uid 502); 2 Jan 2009 10:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.169.84) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Jan 2009 10:18:38 -0000 Message-ID: <495DE9F3.8080706@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:18:27 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <495DE1E4.8010704@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 11:18:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495dea05137282336821329 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Bill Posters is innocent! > Free the Posterior Six! Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 12:46:26 2009 Received: (qmail 6566 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 11:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 11:46:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D131C40F51 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 03:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD966440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 03:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9691D34AC00C for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 03:46:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E856F34AC009 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 03:46:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 03:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KCU00G7VE0XPRV0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:46:09 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-9-92.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.92]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:34:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:46:07 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkERAMONXUkYiglc/2dsb2JhbACBZoguv3EGhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,318,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="399030053" References: <495DE1E4.8010704@gmail.com> <495DE9F3.8080706@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] absolutely off topic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 12:46:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495dfe92247789117217770 For those with a trimmed credit limit you can get a modern day cut price version ............... check the very last paragraph. http://tinyurl.com/9766xk -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 13:31:37 2009 Received: (qmail 20528 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 12:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 12:31:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6F31C40F5D for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 04:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64308440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 04:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5391334AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 04:31:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7123610001 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 04:31:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 04:31:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5360 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jan 2009 12:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Jan 2009 12:31:29 -0000 Message-ID: <495E0920.80502@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:31:28 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB38FF7CD31DE4-1C4C-164E@webmail-stg-d05.sysops.aol.com> <495AD6B1.4040609@chucknorcutt.com> <002401c96c47$5a3636b0$0ea2a410$@com> <495D2D38.2010402@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090101-0, 01/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] News Flash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 13:31:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e0929323341702588592 Interesting thought. I don't know why not. You'd just have to feed the trigger signal to both transmitters. Easy to do with a little home made bracket and a couple PC to hot shoe adapters. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> For a typical studio setup you'd want 4 "groups" of one >> light each. The JrX's limit of 3 is one short. >> > > > Could a person gang two of these transmitters together to have 6 groups? > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 14:02:05 2009 Received: (qmail 16525 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 13:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 13:02:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAACC1C40F5C for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39546440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2056534AC009 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:01:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5698534AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:01:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LIjf2-0005zs-EY for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:01:56 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LIjf2-0002HC-1n for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:01:56 +0000 Message-ID: <495E1054.6050500@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:02:12 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <79029E9A-E5A5-4518-98BE-CAFF9567069E@threeshoes.net> <777D0BDA-69D1-4F87-BA4F-135A2953A5CC@threeshoes.net> <9dlrl45pc7crvspg19d4ug2vcfhmuqcgo6@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <9dlrl45pc7crvspg19d4ug2vcfhmuqcgo6@4ax.com> Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 14:02:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e104d209531342116753 Frank van Lindert wrote: > > When I am in London I am sometimes asked if I live in Scotland. I > always hesitate: is this to be assessed as a compliment or rather the > opposite...? > > Definitely a compliment, Frank! D. (no bias here...) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 14:03:35 2009 Received: (qmail 1578 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 13:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 13:03:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50551C4050D for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9A0440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D5334AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:03:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3020134AC002 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:03:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LIjgT-0000BB-Eq for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:03:25 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LIjgT-0000xy-0z for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:03:25 +0000 Message-ID: <495E10B0.9080806@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:03:44 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 14:03:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e10a7227801234514069 Joel Wilcox wrote: > > > Incidentally, the 5D MkII can shoot in RAW mode at half the MP. Vern > said at one point, "Who really needs 24 MP RAW files? 12 do very > nicely." No arguments from me! > > Joel W. Great to hear positive things from you, Joel. Have a good 2009. D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 15:08:13 2009 Received: (qmail 15620 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 14:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 14:08:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA3C4303B4 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEA1440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D9A34AC009 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:08:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F73134AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:08:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:08:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11270 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jan 2009 14:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090101-0, 01/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 15:08:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e1fcd99431946193717 5D Mark II $2700 ($2000 for 5D) Dimensions 152 x 114 x 75 mm (6.0 x 4.5 x 2.9 in) Weight (no battery) 810 g (29oz) Olympus E3 $1429 Dimensions 142 x 116 x 75 mm (5.6 x 4.6 x 2.9 in) Weight (no battery) 800 g (28oz) There's very little difference in size and weight. It's interesting to note that the difference in width (10mm) is less than the difference in sensor width (18.7mm). Maybe the E3 needs that for the anti-shake. So, not much difference in the bodies but what happens when you add an equivalent pair of high end constant aperture lenses? One weighs more, the other weighs less. The E3 body costs much less but the lenses cost much more. But the Zuikos are a stop faster although not so wide on the wide end. Canon 24-70/2.8L 4.9" (124mm) x 3.3" (83mm) - 34oz (950g) $1039 Canon 70-200/2.8L* 7.7" (196mm) x 3.4" (86mm) - 51oz (1458) $1488 Zuiko 14-35/2.0 4.8" (123mm) x 3.4" (86mm) - 32oz (915g) $1852 Zuiko 35-100/2.0* 8.4" (214mm) x 3.8" (97mm) - 58oz (1650g) $1950 *without Tripod Adapter Total weight and cost for body and two lenses 5D Mark II 3218g (114oz) $5227 ($4527 for 5D) E3 - 3365g (119oz) $5231 So, the E3 and a pair of fast lenses weighs more and costs more than the 5D Mark II and its pair of 1 stop slower lenses. And quite a bit more than a 5D and the same lenses. When I bought OM in the '70s it was because it was smaller, lighter and cheaper. It seems that Olympus has lost its way on small, light and cheap. Perhaps a better comparison would be with the 12-60/2.8-4 and 50-200/2.8-3.5 but there the Zuikos have lost their speed advantage and are no longer constant aperture. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, Joel, I enjoyed reading that, and Happy New Year :-) > > You didn't mention size: how does the 5D compare in size and heft with > the E-3? > > Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 17:29:13 2009 Received: (qmail 27227 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 16:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 16:29:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8E543036B for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1D3440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3BD34AC00D for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:29:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D41F34AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:29:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.59.171] (171.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.171]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDE13DA6E9 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:28:53 +1300 (NZDT) From: bj@caverock.net.nz To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:28:52 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <495EF794.29066.2D3E46@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090102-0, 02/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 1/1/2009: a neighbour stops by X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 17:29:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e40d9234651529615919 On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 4:54 AM, Nathan wrote: > A new year, but the photography continues...this is my very first > picture of 2009, taken about 5 minutes past midnight, when some > neighbours stopped by my sister's to wish us a happy new year. > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#446345548_mRMiU-O-LB > This is a candid shot, and nobody should expect technical perfection in such a situation. As a candid shot it is great; captures the moment. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 17:32:52 2009 Received: (qmail 13324 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 16:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 16:32:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C171430327 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE08440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD1A34AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:32:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659CB34AC002 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:32:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.59.171] (171.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.171]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394BB3DA715 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:32:46 +1300 (NZDT) From: bj@caverock.net.nz To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:32:45 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <495EF87D.2379.30CD39@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090102-0, 02/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 17:32:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e41b4250041499373980 One of my pet hates in this regards is the mis-use of their/there; as in "I went to there house I saw it over their." It is common for men in particular, in NZ, to be quite bad when it comes to spelling and grammar; they seem to take pride in it. Some such, it must be said, are dyslectic. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 19:16:47 2009 Received: (qmail 11004 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 18:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 18:16:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B81943035E for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914DB440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7612A19EFFF for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:16:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4692E19EFFB for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:16:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE21461585 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:34:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:16:35 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 19:16:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e5a0f286381234514069 Thanks, Chuck, but I suppose that I was looking for a subjective assessment of the feel between the 2 rather than an objective summary of their dimensions. There again, I have never seen a 5D, let alone handled one. I don't suppose that I have missed much by that omission ... :-) Chris On 2 Jan 2009, at 14:08, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > 5D Mark II $2700 ($2000 for 5D) > Dimensions 152 x 114 x 75 mm (6.0 x 4.5 x 2.9 in) > Weight (no battery) 810 g (29oz) > > Olympus E3 $1429 > Dimensions 142 x 116 x 75 mm (5.6 x 4.6 x 2.9 in) > Weight (no battery) 800 g (28oz) > > There's very little difference in size and weight. It's interesting > to > note that the difference in width (10mm) is less than the difference > in > sensor width (18.7mm). Maybe the E3 needs that for the anti-shake. > > So, not much difference in the bodies but what happens when you add an > equivalent pair of high end constant aperture lenses? One weighs > more, > the other weighs less. The E3 body costs much less but the lenses > cost > much more. But the Zuikos are a stop faster although not so wide on > the > wide end. > > Canon 24-70/2.8L 4.9" (124mm) x 3.3" (83mm) - 34oz (950g) $1039 > Canon 70-200/2.8L* 7.7" (196mm) x 3.4" (86mm) - 51oz (1458) $1488 > > Zuiko 14-35/2.0 4.8" (123mm) x 3.4" (86mm) - 32oz (915g) $1852 > Zuiko 35-100/2.0* 8.4" (214mm) x 3.8" (97mm) - 58oz (1650g) $1950 > > *without Tripod Adapter > > Total weight and cost for body and two lenses > 5D Mark II 3218g (114oz) $5227 ($4527 for 5D) > E3 - 3365g (119oz) $5231 > > So, the E3 and a pair of fast lenses weighs more and costs more than > the > 5D Mark II and its pair of 1 stop slower lenses. And quite a bit more > than a 5D and the same lenses. When I bought OM in the '70s it was > because it was smaller, lighter and cheaper. It seems that Olympus has > lost its way on small, light and cheap. > > Perhaps a better comparison would be with the 12-60/2.8-4 and > 50-200/2.8-3.5 but there the Zuikos have lost their speed advantage > and > are no longer constant aperture. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 19:17:42 2009 Received: (qmail 23045 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 18:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 18:17:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0739430322 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:17:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FB6440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4924319F018 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:17:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B257519F00D for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:17:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333D44615C4 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:35:32 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9dlrl45pc7crvspg19d4ug2vcfhmuqcgo6@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:17:36 +0000 References: <79029E9A-E5A5-4518-98BE-CAFF9567069E@threeshoes.net> <777D0BDA-69D1-4F87-BA4F-135A2953A5CC@threeshoes.net> <9dlrl45pc7crvspg19d4ug2vcfhmuqcgo6@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 19:17:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e5a46104091529615919 Perhaps you sound like Sean Connery, Frank ... :-) Chris On 2 Jan 2009, at 09:05, Frank van Lindert wrote: > ps. I must add that I am happy being allowed some mistakes with the > English grammar, since I only adopted the language ;-) > When I am in London I am sometimes asked if I live in Scotland. I > always hesitate: is this to be assessed as a compliment or rather the > opposite...? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 19:24:27 2009 Received: (qmail 18495 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 18:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 18:24:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5184D430253 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:24:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57349440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C75119F05C for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:24:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BBE19F04F for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:24:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so7305617wfd.26 for ; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.54.17 with SMTP id c17mr7419131wfa.148.1230920657697; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901021024n397f2626w108e2c8d0f6a7661@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:24:17 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 19:24:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e5bdb290221234514069 Chris, The camera's owner reports that the MkII is pretty much the same size and weight as the older 5D. Somebody ran the numbers on the 5D and E-3 showing them to be more or less comparable when the E-3 came out. The 5D MkII had a fairly heavy zoom lens on it. I felt that the over-all package was weighted more to the lens, whereas my package -- E-3 and 14-54 -- carries its heft in the body. In terms of size, the MkII is wider. Somehow this seems appropriate since the viewfinder is a lovely FF view and the LCD is expansive. I honestly didn't have any problems with the size of the MkII, but then I'm pretty buff now from hefting the E-3 around. :) The E-3 impresses with its build quality and still seems like an incredible value. When I need small, there is the 420 to aspire to (I don't need to tell you that!). Joel W. On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, Joel, I enjoyed reading that, and Happy New Year :-) > > You didn't mention size: how does the 5D compare in size and heft with > the E-3? > > Chris > > On 2 Jan 2009, at 02:12, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> We enjoyed a wonderful New Year's Eve with the Honolulu relatives and >> plentiful fireworks, which kept the kids heartily engaged from the end >> of dinner until about 1 AM of the young new year. The highlight of >> this gathering for me every two years is being with a couple cousins >> who are as interested in photography as I. These two are both Canaan >> ("land of hulk and money") shooters, and I got a chance to spend some >> quality moments with the 5D MkII. Vern was showing me all the great >> new features of this model -- Live View, the sensor cleaner, the cool >> new shortcut menu on the LCD. Neato stuff. I mentioned how much I've >> enjoyed these features through the years, HA! > snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 19:26:04 2009 Received: (qmail 18032 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 18:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 18:26:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F914303B7 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2725B440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BF219F063 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A509219F054 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:25:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.247]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so6232073rvb.50 for ; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.2.19 with SMTP id e19mr7423101wfi.96.1230920757108; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:25:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901021025q567a2441xa0320cbbb387d289@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:25:57 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <495E10B0.9080806@blueyonder.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <495E10B0.9080806@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 19:26:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e5c3c148981470116606 On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Donald wrote: > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> >> >> Incidentally, the 5D MkII can shoot in RAW mode at half the MP. Vern >> said at one point, "Who really needs 24 MP RAW files? 12 do very >> nicely." No arguments from me! >> >> Joel W. > > Great to hear positive things from you, Joel. Have a good 2009. > > D. Thanks Donald. You too, and best wishes to all for the new year. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 19:43:38 2009 Received: (qmail 14724 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 18:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 18:43:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0293643035D for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:43:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C420440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B837334AC00D for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:43:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0011234AC009 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:43:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:43:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so7312089wfd.26 for ; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:43:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.231.7 with SMTP id d7mr6105623wfh.243.1230921806535; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:43:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:43:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:43:26 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 19:43:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e605a320271073733319 Chris, I think I spoke to the subjective assessment before your reply to Chuck came through. I would add that I didn't notice any particular difficulty in handling the 5D MkII, but I am not especially fussy about that kind of thing. It felt "weird" to handle the MkII but I don't doubt I could get used to it. In my opinion, the layout of controls on the E-3 is "better." I think the big jog dial on the Canaan is clumsy and old-fashioned and much prefer the dials that allow quick action via both thumb and index finger on the E-3. But Canaan users, I gather, appreciate the fact that controls don't substantially change between models. I might add -- and have no idea how you feel about it -- that I am always delighted to handle the E-3. I seems to me to have the ergonomics of the E-1 but with improvement/advancement, despite the increase in weight. My only snag so far has been that the sensor for the remote (RM-1) is not as easy to trigger as on the E-1 or E-330. Joel W. On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, Chuck, but I suppose that I was looking for a subjective > assessment of the feel between the 2 rather than an objective summary > of their dimensions. > > There again, I have never seen a 5D, let alone handled one. I don't > suppose that I have missed much by that omission ... :-) > > Chris > > On 2 Jan 2009, at 14:08, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> 5D Mark II $2700 ($2000 for 5D) >> Dimensions 152 x 114 x 75 mm (6.0 x 4.5 x 2.9 in) >> Weight (no battery) 810 g (29oz) >> >> Olympus E3 $1429 >> Dimensions 142 x 116 x 75 mm (5.6 x 4.6 x 2.9 in) >> Weight (no battery) 800 g (28oz) >> >> There's very little difference in size and weight. It's interesting >> to >> note that the difference in width (10mm) is less than the difference >> in >> sensor width (18.7mm). Maybe the E3 needs that for the anti-shake. >> >> So, not much difference in the bodies but what happens when you add an >> equivalent pair of high end constant aperture lenses? One weighs >> more, >> the other weighs less. The E3 body costs much less but the lenses >> cost >> much more. But the Zuikos are a stop faster although not so wide on >> the >> wide end. >> >> Canon 24-70/2.8L 4.9" (124mm) x 3.3" (83mm) - 34oz (950g) $1039 >> Canon 70-200/2.8L* 7.7" (196mm) x 3.4" (86mm) - 51oz (1458) $1488 >> >> Zuiko 14-35/2.0 4.8" (123mm) x 3.4" (86mm) - 32oz (915g) $1852 >> Zuiko 35-100/2.0* 8.4" (214mm) x 3.8" (97mm) - 58oz (1650g) $1950 >> >> *without Tripod Adapter >> >> Total weight and cost for body and two lenses >> 5D Mark II 3218g (114oz) $5227 ($4527 for 5D) >> E3 - 3365g (119oz) $5231 >> >> So, the E3 and a pair of fast lenses weighs more and costs more than >> the >> 5D Mark II and its pair of 1 stop slower lenses. And quite a bit more >> than a 5D and the same lenses. When I bought OM in the '70s it was >> because it was smaller, lighter and cheaper. It seems that Olympus has >> lost its way on small, light and cheap. >> >> Perhaps a better comparison would be with the 12-60/2.8-4 and >> 50-200/2.8-3.5 but there the Zuikos have lost their speed advantage >> and >> are no longer constant aperture. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 20:04:02 2009 Received: (qmail 625 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 19:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 19:04:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3CB43045A for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:04:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD79440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:03:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D62234AC009 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:03:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EA234AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:03:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LIpJL-00060w-1e for ; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:03:55 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:03:49 +0100 Message-ID: References: <79029E9A-E5A5-4518-98BE-CAFF9567069E@threeshoes.net> <777D0BDA-69D1-4F87-BA4F-135A2953A5CC@threeshoes.net> <9dlrl45pc7crvspg19d4ug2vcfhmuqcgo6@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 20:04:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e6522130921591313764 Now that I would consider a compliment indeed. Although he really is a Sassenach, of course ;-) Frank. Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:17:36 +0000, Chris Barker wrote: >Perhaps you sound like Sean Connery, Frank ... > >:-) > >Chris >On 2 Jan 2009, at 09:05, Frank van Lindert wrote: > >> ps. I must add that I am happy being allowed some mistakes with the >> English grammar, since I only adopted the language ;-) >> When I am in London I am sometimes asked if I live in Scotland. I >> always hesitate: is this to be assessed as a compliment or rather the >> opposite...? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 21:50:52 2009 Received: (qmail 17354 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 20:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 20:50:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D024430423 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECDF440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:50:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF52934AC009 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:50:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1797634AC002 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:50:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so7354153wfd.26 for ; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.144.16 with SMTP id r16mr7479261wfd.77.1230929443626; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:50:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901021250x11b19892q93fac5322e218aed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:50:43 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 21:50:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e7e2c237151869477228 Here's a photo, FWIW, of my friend's 5D MkII, taken mainly to illustrate the E-3's capture at 3200! RAW file converted in Lightroom 2.1, 1/20 @f5.6. No sharpening or NR used. I don't see visible, or at least objectionable, noise in PS until the file is at a screen size of 50% of the full pixels. Your sensibilities may vary. ;^) Hint: click on the slideshow icon to get a version of decent size. (Sorry about the Flickr, but it does make a few things easier ...) http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3161009834/ Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 22:30:22 2009 Received: (qmail 10588 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 21:30:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 21:30:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B5243043B for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE2F440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE58B3610004 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:30:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5487B3610001 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:30:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2195315ywa.80 for ; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.216.10 with SMTP id o10mr8675195ang.125.1230931814399; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:30:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:30:14 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9dlrl45pc7crvspg19d4ug2vcfhmuqcgo6@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <79029E9A-E5A5-4518-98BE-CAFF9567069E@threeshoes.net> <777D0BDA-69D1-4F87-BA4F-135A2953A5CC@threeshoes.net> <9dlrl45pc7crvspg19d4ug2vcfhmuqcgo6@4ax.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 45c64f9d75353d8a Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 22:30:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e876e150361234514069 > > When I am in London I am sometimes asked if I live in Scotland. I > always hesitate: is this to be assessed as a compliment or rather the > opposite...? > You're not wearing a skirt in public, are you? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 23:00:28 2009 Received: (qmail 15536 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 22:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 22:00:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1673F43035D for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:00:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC74440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523F419F77B for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:00:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF1C19F778 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:00:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090102220019.VXEQ17716.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 22:00:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901021024n397f2626w108e2c8d0f6a7661@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021024n397f2626w108e2c8d0f6a7661@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <92D300B0-AC30-46D1-A0EC-7BFC6B2F77B9@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:00:18 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 23:00:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e8e7c226231234514069 Speaking of high ISO, if you go to the following page, the first image shows what happens when I leave my reading chair for more than a heartbeat. Note the guilt on the dog's face, and the "attitude" on the cat's. Nykon D3, 24-70 at 70, 1/50 @ f/8, ISO 3200. It's a small pic so you can't see the details, but there's no noise reduction at all applied. In the 100% view, the cat shows more noise than the dog. If I were going to make a print, I'd likely mess with a little noise reduction. Either that, or use Genuine Fractals to apply some nice film-type grain. http://www.bwp33.com/page17/files/page17-1000-full.html --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jan 2, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Chris, > The camera's owner reports that the MkII is pretty much the same size > and weight as the older 5D. Somebody ran the numbers on the 5D and > E-3 showing them to be more or less comparable when the E-3 came out. > > The 5D MkII had a fairly heavy zoom lens on it. I felt that the > over-all package was weighted more to the lens, whereas my package -- > E-3 and 14-54 -- carries its heft in the body. > > In terms of size, the MkII is wider. Somehow this seems appropriate > since the viewfinder is a lovely FF view and the LCD is expansive. I > honestly didn't have any problems with the size of the MkII, but then > I'm pretty buff now from hefting the E-3 around. :) > > The E-3 impresses with its build quality and still seems like an > incredible value. When I need small, there is the 420 to aspire to (I > don't need to tell you that!). > > Joel W. > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Chris Barker > wrote: >> Thanks, Joel, I enjoyed reading that, and Happy New Year :-) >> >> You didn't mention size: how does the 5D compare in size and heft >> with >> the E-3? >> >> Chris >> >> On 2 Jan 2009, at 02:12, Joel Wilcox wrote: >> >>> We enjoyed a wonderful New Year's Eve with the Honolulu relatives >>> and >>> plentiful fireworks, which kept the kids heartily engaged from >>> the end >>> of dinner until about 1 AM of the young new year. The highlight of >>> this gathering for me every two years is being with a couple cousins >>> who are as interested in photography as I. These two are both >>> Canaan >>> ("land of hulk and money") shooters, and I got a chance to spend >>> some >>> quality moments with the 5D MkII. Vern was showing me all the great >>> new features of this model -- Live View, the sensor cleaner, the >>> cool >>> new shortcut menu on the LCD. Neato stuff. I mentioned how much >>> I've >>> enjoyed these features through the years, HA! >> snip > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 23:20:54 2009 Received: (qmail 15525 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 22:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 22:20:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9E3430364 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25091440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1A534AC00C for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:20:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8260D34AC002 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:20:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so1943071and.35 for ; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.124.6 with SMTP id w6mr10016619anc.80.1230934847738; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:20:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:20:47 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <92D300B0-AC30-46D1-A0EC-7BFC6B2F77B9@roadrunner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021024n397f2626w108e2c8d0f6a7661@mail.gmail.com> <92D300B0-AC30-46D1-A0EC-7BFC6B2F77B9@roadrunner.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 309d3e8ab720373d Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 23:20:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e934625922336821329 LOL, nice. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 23:41:34 2009 Received: (qmail 666 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 22:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 22:41:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D530430379 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D62440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED36E34AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:41:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689B634AC009 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:41:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:41:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32059 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2009 22:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 22:41:23 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901021024n397f2626w108e2c8d0f6a7661@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021024n397f2626w108e2c8d0f6a7661@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:41:18 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 23:41:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e981e211549347015869 Not full frame finder - 98% compared to 96% on the original 5D. I lerv the high count LCD - first saw these on the Sony a700 I think. Sweet. Very little difference in handling and 'haptics' from the original. But I'm in training for when the grip and extra batteries arrive for it. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/01/2009, at 5:24 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > In terms of size, the MkII is wider. Somehow this seems appropriate > since the viewfinder is a lovely FF view and the LCD is expansive. I > honestly didn't have any problems with the size of the MkII, but then > I'm pretty buff now from hefting the E-3 around. :) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 2 23:43:34 2009 Received: (qmail 19762 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2009 22:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jan 2009 22:43:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6CC430433 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B7E440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B52D34AC002 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:43:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3E334AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:43:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:43:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.87]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090102224318.THSG1679.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:43:18 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkMBACglXklMRyyV/2dsb2JhbAAIywKFcg Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279732885.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.44.149]) by simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 02 Jan 2009 17:50:06 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:43:16 -0500 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII Thread-Index: AcltK4BIvpR+etkeEd2LAAAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901021250x11b19892q93fac5322e218aed@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 2 23:43:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495e9896141041744846740 On 1/2/09 3:50 PM, "Joel Wilcox" wrote: > Here's a photo, FWIW, of my friend's 5D MkII... That's quite some pop-up flash it has... Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 01:14:02 2009 Received: (qmail 9542 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 00:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 00:14:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF311C40F3C for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77584440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5B719FB22 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:13:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AFC19FB15 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:13:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:13:49 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n030Djtk017208 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:13:47 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com><4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net><9e908c1f0901021024n397f2626w108e2c8d0f6a7661@mail.gmail.com> <92D300B0-AC30-46D1-A0EC-7BFC6B2F77B9@roadrunner.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:13:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 01:14:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495eadca211465368819438 Well captured. They like your taste in furniture. ;-) Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Whitmire" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII > Speaking of high ISO, if you go to the following page, the first > image shows what happens when I leave my reading chair for more than > a heartbeat. Note the guilt on the dog's face, and the "attitude" on > the cat's. Nykon D3, 24-70 at 70, 1/50 @ f/8, ISO 3200. It's a small > pic so you can't see the details, but there's no noise reduction at > all applied. In the 100% view, the cat shows more noise than the dog. > If I were going to make a print, I'd likely mess with a little noise > reduction. Either that, or use Genuine Fractals to apply some nice > film-type grain. > > http://www.bwp33.com/page17/files/page17-1000-full.html > > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > > On Jan 2, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> Chris, >> The camera's owner reports that the MkII is pretty much the same size >> and weight as the older 5D. Somebody ran the numbers on the 5D and >> E-3 showing them to be more or less comparable when the E-3 came out. >> >> The 5D MkII had a fairly heavy zoom lens on it. I felt that the >> over-all package was weighted more to the lens, whereas my package -- >> E-3 and 14-54 -- carries its heft in the body. >> >> In terms of size, the MkII is wider. Somehow this seems appropriate >> since the viewfinder is a lovely FF view and the LCD is expansive. I >> honestly didn't have any problems with the size of the MkII, but then >> I'm pretty buff now from hefting the E-3 around. :) >> >> The E-3 impresses with its build quality and still seems like an >> incredible value. When I need small, there is the 420 to aspire to (I >> don't need to tell you that!). >> >> Joel W. >> >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Chris Barker >> wrote: >>> Thanks, Joel, I enjoyed reading that, and Happy New Year :-) >>> >>> You didn't mention size: how does the 5D compare in size and heft >>> with >>> the E-3? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 2 Jan 2009, at 02:12, Joel Wilcox wrote: >>> >>>> We enjoyed a wonderful New Year's Eve with the Honolulu relatives >>>> and >>>> plentiful fireworks, which kept the kids heartily engaged from >>>> the end >>>> of dinner until about 1 AM of the young new year. The highlight of >>>> this gathering for me every two years is being with a couple cousins >>>> who are as interested in photography as I. These two are both >>>> Canaan >>>> ("land of hulk and money") shooters, and I got a chance to spend >>>> some >>>> quality moments with the 5D MkII. Vern was showing me all the great >>>> new features of this model -- Live View, the sensor cleaner, the >>>> cool >>>> new shortcut menu on the LCD. Neato stuff. I mentioned how much >>>> I've >>>> enjoyed these features through the years, HA! >>> snip >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 02:30:51 2009 Received: (qmail 15955 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 01:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 01:30:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074FD1C40F61 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CAE440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28B719FBF9 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:30:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91F319FBDF for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:30:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:30:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so1957196and.35 for ; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.69.6 with SMTP id w6mr10075881ank.140.1230946243912; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:30:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:30:43 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dddf275854a1bcf2 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Acid Goose X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 02:30:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ebfcb112531023412894 What do you do when you are presented with a photograph that is technically OK, but just doesn't float your boat? Well, open the file up in RAW Therapee and start cranking sliders around until it triggers hallucinations. www.zone-10.com - Acid Goose. -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 03:47:10 2009 Received: (qmail 19886 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 02:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 02:47:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B11B1C40F60 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CA6440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872E019FCCC for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:47:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CCC19FCBC for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:47:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n032kjMI002803 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:46:57 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:46:41 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcltQuofJE+AzR8SQdSnvncZ4LAtBwAClPkg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] Acid Goose X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 03:47:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ed1ae301081234514069 > > What do you do when you are presented with a photograph that > is technically OK, but just doesn't float your boat? Well, > open the file up in RAW Therapee and start cranking sliders > around until it triggers hallucinations. > > www.zone-10.com - Acid Goose. > Interesting, different, unusual. I think I need to see the original with a Moose style mouse roll-over. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 03:47:34 2009 Received: (qmail 9499 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 02:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 02:47:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2141C40F53 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:47:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1FE440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEE219FCCE for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:47:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.431 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.431 required=7 tests=[DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=2.431] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B3819FCC1 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:47:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090103024728.QYIO19141.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:47:28 -0500 Received: from MediaCenter ([68.103.52.195]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id yqnL1a00H4ChzqU02qnSP3; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:47:27 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ODZSKgscsM4A:10 a=yco9upEi_J4A:10 a=exdtHbvkAAAA:8 a=1FqMXQfgRHAV9MiubDMA:9 a=LfJlZd4Uq9c-bT5eXziAkDW6JKMA:4 a=MUdLLyjm7sMA:10 a=pScE5Hp0D1UA:10 a=9hlq2oIkD8gA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Daryl Hurley" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <133894.16341.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200339.18750.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:47:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <200339.18750.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AclsvOK2QV0ZMDHvRMSji2/Zn8mSlgAjPDwg Subject: Re: [OM] Vivitar 285HV Zoom Thyristor flash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 03:47:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ed1c6243321499373980 Tim, Now this sounds interesting! The lesser weight would of course be a benefit, but the extra flashes and much quicker recharging are what appeal most to me. What is involved in fitting the Li-FePO4 battery to a CT60-1/CT60-4. Any tips on sources? Daryl Hurley www.darylsphotos.com ................ >That is why I replaced the dryfit (~1200gm) with a Li-FePO4 battery (200gm). This >can also be (safely) completely recharged in 20 minutes. It also produces 10% more, >full power (200J) flashes than the stock Dryfit................ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 04:02:55 2009 Received: (qmail 31187 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 03:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 03:02:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0BF1C40F37 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F32440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:02:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5BD19FD04 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:02:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F1A19FD02 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:02:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15639 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 03:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 03:02:47 -0000 Message-ID: <495ED557.4010002@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:02:47 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090102-0, 01/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 04:02:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ed55f210521234514069 Yeah, it's just an old, obsolete camera now. :-) Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, Chuck, but I suppose that I was looking for a subjective > assessment of the feel between the 2 rather than an objective summary > of their dimensions. > > There again, I have never seen a 5D, let alone handled one. I don't > suppose that I have missed much by that omission ... :-) > > Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 04:08:51 2009 Received: (qmail 1922 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 03:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 03:08:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907C11C40F4D for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:08:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762CD440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EFA3610004 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:08:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC7A34AC013 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:08:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17496 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 03:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090102-0, 01/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 04:08:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ed6c3132871993019900 I too appreciate thumb and index finger controls. I've never even seen an E-3 other than in pictures but the Minolta A1 has a similar layout and I liked that much more than the big jog wheel which is prone to accidental change unless you set the power switch in the correct position to prevent it... something I almost always forget to do. But in any case I wouldn't trade my big sensor for those ergonomic dials. Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > Chris, > I think I spoke to the subjective assessment before your reply to > Chuck came through. I would add that I didn't notice any particular > difficulty in handling the 5D MkII, but I am not especially fussy > about that kind of thing. It felt "weird" to handle the MkII but I > don't doubt I could get used to it. In my opinion, the layout of > controls on the E-3 is "better." I think the big jog dial on the > Canaan is clumsy and old-fashioned and much prefer the dials that > allow quick action via both thumb and index finger on the E-3. But > Canaan users, I gather, appreciate the fact that controls don't > substantially change between models. > > I might add -- and have no idea how you feel about it -- that I am > always delighted to handle the E-3. I seems to me to have the > ergonomics of the E-1 but with improvement/advancement, despite the > increase in weight. My only snag so far has been that the sensor for > the remote (RM-1) is not as easy to trigger as on the E-1 or E-330. > > Joel W. > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Chris Barker wrote: >> Thanks, Chuck, but I suppose that I was looking for a subjective >> assessment of the feel between the 2 rather than an objective summary >> of their dimensions. >> >> There again, I have never seen a 5D, let alone handled one. I don't >> suppose that I have missed much by that omission ... :-) >> >> Chris >> >> On 2 Jan 2009, at 14:08, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> 5D Mark II $2700 ($2000 for 5D) >>> Dimensions 152 x 114 x 75 mm (6.0 x 4.5 x 2.9 in) >>> Weight (no battery) 810 g (29oz) >>> >>> Olympus E3 $1429 >>> Dimensions 142 x 116 x 75 mm (5.6 x 4.6 x 2.9 in) >>> Weight (no battery) 800 g (28oz) >>> >>> There's very little difference in size and weight. It's interesting >>> to >>> note that the difference in width (10mm) is less than the difference >>> in >>> sensor width (18.7mm). Maybe the E3 needs that for the anti-shake. >>> >>> So, not much difference in the bodies but what happens when you add an >>> equivalent pair of high end constant aperture lenses? One weighs >>> more, >>> the other weighs less. The E3 body costs much less but the lenses >>> cost >>> much more. But the Zuikos are a stop faster although not so wide on >>> the >>> wide end. >>> >>> Canon 24-70/2.8L 4.9" (124mm) x 3.3" (83mm) - 34oz (950g) $1039 >>> Canon 70-200/2.8L* 7.7" (196mm) x 3.4" (86mm) - 51oz (1458) $1488 >>> >>> Zuiko 14-35/2.0 4.8" (123mm) x 3.4" (86mm) - 32oz (915g) $1852 >>> Zuiko 35-100/2.0* 8.4" (214mm) x 3.8" (97mm) - 58oz (1650g) $1950 >>> >>> *without Tripod Adapter >>> >>> Total weight and cost for body and two lenses >>> 5D Mark II 3218g (114oz) $5227 ($4527 for 5D) >>> E3 - 3365g (119oz) $5231 >>> >>> So, the E3 and a pair of fast lenses weighs more and costs more than >>> the >>> 5D Mark II and its pair of 1 stop slower lenses. And quite a bit more >>> than a 5D and the same lenses. When I bought OM in the '70s it was >>> because it was smaller, lighter and cheaper. It seems that Olympus has >>> lost its way on small, light and cheap. >>> >>> Perhaps a better comparison would be with the 12-60/2.8-4 and >>> 50-200/2.8-3.5 but there the Zuikos have lost their speed advantage >>> and >>> are no longer constant aperture. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 04:12:35 2009 Received: (qmail 16077 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 03:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 03:12:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95721C40F3C for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E37440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8DA19FD13 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:12:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BF519FD0E for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:12:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18815 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 03:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090102-0, 01/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 04:12:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ed7a3273331035110158 Looks pretty good to me. One thing I can't do (since I have no image stabilized lenses) is take a shot at 1/20 second w/o a tripod (unless I was using a 20mm lens) Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > Here's a photo, FWIW, of my friend's 5D MkII, taken mainly to > illustrate the E-3's capture at 3200! RAW file converted in Lightroom > 2.1, 1/20 @f5.6. No sharpening or NR used. I don't see visible, or > at least objectionable, noise in PS until the file is at a screen size > of 50% of the full pixels. Your sensibilities may vary. ;^) > > Hint: click on the slideshow icon to get a version of decent size. > (Sorry about the Flickr, but it does make a few things easier ...) > > http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3161009834/ > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 04:14:19 2009 Received: (qmail 12028 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 03:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 03:14:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197A81C403AD for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92562440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B06E19FD18 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:14:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8872119FD13 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:14:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19516 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 03:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090102-0, 01/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 04:14:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ed80b132222070262475 Hey, Bob, good to hear from you. But about that cat and dog. Tell them it's no fair when they gang up on you. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > Speaking of high ISO, if you go to the following page, the first > image shows what happens when I leave my reading chair for more than > a heartbeat. Note the guilt on the dog's face, and the "attitude" on > the cat's. Nykon D3, 24-70 at 70, 1/50 @ f/8, ISO 3200. It's a small > pic so you can't see the details, but there's no noise reduction at > all applied. In the 100% view, the cat shows more noise than the dog. > If I were going to make a print, I'd likely mess with a little noise > reduction. Either that, or use Genuine Fractals to apply some nice > film-type grain. > > http://www.bwp33.com/page17/files/page17-1000-full.html > > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > > On Jan 2, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> Chris, >> The camera's owner reports that the MkII is pretty much the same size >> and weight as the older 5D. Somebody ran the numbers on the 5D and >> E-3 showing them to be more or less comparable when the E-3 came out. >> >> The 5D MkII had a fairly heavy zoom lens on it. I felt that the >> over-all package was weighted more to the lens, whereas my package -- >> E-3 and 14-54 -- carries its heft in the body. >> >> In terms of size, the MkII is wider. Somehow this seems appropriate >> since the viewfinder is a lovely FF view and the LCD is expansive. I >> honestly didn't have any problems with the size of the MkII, but then >> I'm pretty buff now from hefting the E-3 around. :) >> >> The E-3 impresses with its build quality and still seems like an >> incredible value. When I need small, there is the 420 to aspire to (I >> don't need to tell you that!). >> >> Joel W. >> >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Chris Barker >> wrote: >>> Thanks, Joel, I enjoyed reading that, and Happy New Year :-) >>> >>> You didn't mention size: how does the 5D compare in size and heft >>> with >>> the E-3? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 2 Jan 2009, at 02:12, Joel Wilcox wrote: >>> >>>> We enjoyed a wonderful New Year's Eve with the Honolulu relatives >>>> and >>>> plentiful fireworks, which kept the kids heartily engaged from >>>> the end >>>> of dinner until about 1 AM of the young new year. The highlight of >>>> this gathering for me every two years is being with a couple cousins >>>> who are as interested in photography as I. These two are both >>>> Canaan >>>> ("land of hulk and money") shooters, and I got a chance to spend >>>> some >>>> quality moments with the 5D MkII. Vern was showing me all the great >>>> new features of this model -- Live View, the sensor cleaner, the >>>> cool >>>> new shortcut menu on the LCD. Neato stuff. I mentioned how much >>>> I've >>>> enjoyed these features through the years, HA! >>> snip >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 04:15:36 2009 Received: (qmail 12729 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 03:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 03:15:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DD71C40F02 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAD5440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:15:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7088419FD13 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:15:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAC619FD0E for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:15:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:15:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22895 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 03:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 03:15:26 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090102221504.02541cf8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:15:18 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Acid Goose X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 04:15:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ed85851821234514069 At 08:30 PM 1/2/2009, you wrote: >What do you do when you are presented with a photograph that is technically >OK, but just doesn't float your boat? Well, open the file up in RAW >Therapee and start cranking sliders around until it triggers hallucinations. > >www.zone-10.com - Acid Goose. wow man waynes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 05:04:14 2009 Received: (qmail 11967 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 04:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 04:04:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A941C40521 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F61440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:04:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2B434AC016 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:04:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7368E34AC013 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:04:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 18 days 07:28:25 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-133-131-126.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.133.131.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n03440R6028996 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:04:01 -0200 Message-ID: <495EF1C2.7040608@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:04:02 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Acid Goose X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 05:04:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ee3be37031946193717 LOL :^) - I had a more abstract experience when testing Dr. Hofmann findings. *flickr 1280 pix-wide warning: enabled* http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3271/2985889119_12645f88f0_o.jpg kodachrome 25, G.Zuiko 50/1.4 @ 8 + 25mm extension tube, tripod mounted OM 2 on Auto mode. Fernando. Ken Norton wrote: > What do you do when you are presented with a photograph that is technically > OK, but just doesn't float your boat? Well, open the file up in RAW > Therapee and start cranking sliders around until it triggers hallucinations. > > www.zone-10.com - Acid Goose. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 05:20:45 2009 Received: (qmail 17169 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 04:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 04:20:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F407E1C4048A for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5462B440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECD61CD482 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:20:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.711 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.711 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EB31CD481 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:20:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 18 days 07:44:56 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-133-131-126.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.133.131.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n034KZKU029830 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:20:35 -0200 Message-ID: <495EF5A5.4050403@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:20:37 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Acid Goose X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 05:20:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ee79d315111946193717 Sorry, better this links: small: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2985889119/ large: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2985889119/sizes/o/ adobe RGB 1998 ( noticeable difference when converted to sRGB ). there's a link below to see it on black. ******************************************* LOL :^) - I had a more abstract experience when testing Dr. Hofmann findings. *flickr 1280 pix-wide warning: enabled* http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3271/2985889119_12645f88f0_o.jpg kodachrome 25, G.Zuiko 50/1.4 @ 8 + 25mm extension tube, tripod mounted OM 2 on Auto mode. Fernando. Ken Norton wrote: > What do you do when you are presented with a photograph that is technically > OK, but just doesn't float your boat? Well, open the file up in RAW > Therapee and start cranking sliders around until it triggers hallucinations. > > www.zone-10.com - Acid Goose. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 05:26:10 2009 Received: (qmail 30403 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 04:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 04:26:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC191C403AD for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A08440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:26:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5252E1CD483 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:26:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A18C1CD482 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:26:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25912 invoked by uid 502); 3 Jan 2009 04:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.204.78) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 04:26:01 -0000 Message-ID: <495EE8D1.3020303@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:25:53 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021024n397f2626w108e2c8d0f6a7661@mail.gmail.com> <92D300B0-AC30-46D1-A0EC-7BFC6B2F77B9@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <92D300B0-AC30-46D1-A0EC-7BFC6B2F77B9@roadrunner.com> Subject: [OM] Special photographs in a calendar X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 05:26:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ee8e2159131529615919 We went calendar shopping at a local bookstore that has a huge sale each Jan 1st. All Calendars are $3.99 or 3 for $10.00, whatever the size or original price. it seems they take whatever hasn't been ordered elsewhere in sufficient quantities relative to production. The selection varies, but is always enormous. No NYTimes page a day crosswords calendar last year or this, unfortunately. I'll have to order it elsewhere. In any case, while milling through the crowd, I saw a fellow with something wonderful under his arm and immediately went looking for the source. One left! It's a poster size calendar of images taken vertically at low altitude of agricultural fields. I'm a real lover of found abstracts, so it's right up my alley. Best of all is how much I like it. Second is that the marked price is $50 and it's selling for more than that in some on-line venues. There is a smaller, 12x12" version as well, which is probably nice, but the subjects thrive on the 14.5x19.5" (37x50 cm) actual image size, high res capture and excellent printing. Makes me think of GeeBee, but from a whole different angle. A. Lucky Happy Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 05:41:40 2009 Received: (qmail 25075 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 04:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 04:41:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AE11C40546 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:41:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD76440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F122B1CD485 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:41:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F40E1CD484 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:41:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:41:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31852 invoked by uid 502); 3 Jan 2009 04:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.183.79) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 04:41:28 -0000 Message-ID: <495EEC69.60308@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:41:13 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Acid Goose X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 05:41:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495eec84125898512572685 Ken Norton wrote: > What do you do when you are presented with a photograph that is technically OK, but just doesn't float your boat? Well, open the file up in RAW Therapee and start cranking sliders around until it triggers hallucinations. > Sheesh, I was expecting something to burn out my visual centers and possibly cause religious visions. Just some pretty colors reminiscent of light shows in the Sixtys. Nothing like what I did to one of your "One Roll, One Lens, One Hour" images --- ------------------------------ Ken Norton wrote: > Moose thus grunted: > >> Even the relatively mundane look better with some correction... >> > > WHOA! I always wondered what an LSD trip was like. "My Eyes, My Eyes!" > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 06:07:58 2009 Received: (qmail 14409 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 05:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 05:07:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FCE1C40F41 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3801440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D214C34AC018 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:07:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED6934AC016 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:07:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mxsf02.insightbb.com (mxsf02.insightbb.com [74.128.0.63]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:07:51 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,321,1228107600"; d="scan'208";a="588817436" Received: from unknown (HELO asav03.insightbb.com) ([172.31.249.124]) by mxsf02.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 03 Jan 2009 00:07:49 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au4CALqBXkmsH/l8/2dsb2JhbAAIgmJDgm3EV4Vy Received: from unknown (HELO mta4.manage.insightcom.com) ([172.31.249.124]) by asav03.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 03 Jan 2009 00:07:49 -0500 Received: from insightbb.com ([172.31.249.124]) by mta4.manage.insightcom.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0KCV00AJ7Q91D980@mta4.manage.insightcom.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.31.249.210] (Forwarded-For: [172.31.249.210]) by msb0.manage.insightcom.com (mshttpd); Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:07:49 -0500 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:07:49 -0500 From: Robert Burnette To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit) Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] E-410 deal X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 06:07:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ef2ae148618512572685 If anyone is interested, Adorama is having a special sale on the E-410 kit, $399.95 with free shipping. It includes the 14-42mm and 40-150mm lenses. The special is for one week only. Robert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 06:16:50 2009 Received: (qmail 17197 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 05:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 05:16:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877881C40F3D for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3212C440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFCD34AC013 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:16:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372AB34AC00E for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:16:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 48163 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2009 05:16:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GZ3.TJYVM1niDUNKfjTG6A9ltIMkdySATMudoOGkX2Ts0veQgpk5.RPn8uRwg2FNt05RsHL8X17Rle4QXMZdbt7qteZwQ9Is2zLy7W3hYhUOkqtTxrQ_KfNzrtqlzGlZi4XUDNBERDncM7f1jECP5bPAA9wJD4M3UOeWOLhAE8WBwgJEci7UktpFytgu_lg- Received: from [72.75.193.25] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:16:43 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:16:43 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <635864.47982.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] E-410 deal X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 06:16:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ef4c2180357927319144 Shoot. Well...I am happy with the 420 anyway. Besides that I think I want a better all purpose lens...the 14-42 is nice but.... What is major difference between the 410 and 420? I didnt see any difference while checking specs. Makes me wonder why Olympus replaced the 410 so quickly. --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Robert Burnette wrote: > From: Robert Burnette > Subject: [OM] E-410 deal > To: olympus@thomasclausen.net > Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 12:07 AM > If anyone is interested, Adorama is having a special sale on > the E-410 kit, $399.95 with free shipping. It includes the > 14-42mm and 40-150mm lenses. The special is for one week > only. > > > > Robert > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 08:11:55 2009 Received: (qmail 28389 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 07:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 07:11:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B701C40F39 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B1C440006 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D73634AC005 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:11:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90F334AC002 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:11:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from 62-87-50-16.red-acceso.airtel.net ([62.87.50.16]:49912) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1LJ0fX-0007BZ-11 (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:11:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , LEG , Olympus Camera Discussion Message-Id: From: Nathan Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:11:29 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 1/1/2009 (now during the day): freezing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 08:11:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f0fbb232197927319144 My hangover on the first morning of 2009 was very mild to nonexistent, probably a consequence of very moderate drinking the night before (I must be getting old...). Nevertheless, an invigorating morning walk along the empty streets was very pleasant. The winter is now really taking hold in Poland. Not a lot of snow yet, but the wide river Odra that flows through Wroclaw is beginning to freeze: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#447696247_guN4g-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 09:51:56 2009 Received: (qmail 15617 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 08:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 08:51:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56481C40F45 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:51:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AA8D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:51:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E6219DA80 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:51:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F354619DA6D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:51:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:51:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8604146141E for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:09:42 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:51:46 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 09:51:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f272c76391946193717 Thanks for that, Joel. And on the subject of the RM-1, it should work with the E-3 should it? I'll give my after-market version another go. Cheers Chris On 2 Jan 2009, at 18:43, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Chris, > I think I spoke to the subjective assessment before your reply to > Chuck came through. I would add that I didn't notice any particular > difficulty in handling the 5D MkII, but I am not especially fussy > about that kind of thing. It felt "weird" to handle the MkII but I > don't doubt I could get used to it. In my opinion, the layout of > controls on the E-3 is "better." I think the big jog dial on the > Canaan is clumsy and old-fashioned and much prefer the dials that > allow quick action via both thumb and index finger on the E-3. But > Canaan users, I gather, appreciate the fact that controls don't > substantially change between models. > > I might add -- and have no idea how you feel about it -- that I am > always delighted to handle the E-3. I seems to me to have the > ergonomics of the E-1 but with improvement/advancement, despite the > increase in weight. My only snag so far has been that the sensor for > the remote (RM-1) is not as easy to trigger as on the E-1 or E-330. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 10:32:07 2009 Received: (qmail 17426 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 09:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 09:32:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7D51C40F52 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 01:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5FBD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 01:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9BA19DC51 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 01:32:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9337919DC73 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 01:32:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 01:32:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30727 invoked by uid 502); 3 Jan 2009 09:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.170.125) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 09:31:57 -0000 Message-ID: <495F3088.6080000@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:31:52 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <635864.47982.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <635864.47982.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] E-410 deal X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 10:32:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f3096312071993019900 AS wrote: > .... > > What is major difference between the 410 and 420? I didnt see any difference while checking specs. New features (compared to the E-410) * Larger, 2.7" LCD display (versus 2.5" on the E-410) * Contrast detect autofocus (with select lenses) * Face detection in live view mode * Auto Gradation (Dynamic Range enhancement) * Faster continuous shooting speeds (3.5 vs 3.0 fps) * Improved right hand grip * Perfect Shot Preview * Wireless flash control Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 11:01:14 2009 Received: (qmail 21803 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 10:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 10:01:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801071C40F61 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:01:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0D6D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1214119DD41 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:01:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FC719DD3F for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:01:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yy0m1a00A17UAYkA6y17Jt; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:01:07 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yy161a0033cAhRk8Zy16HB; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:01:06 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Darin" To: "OM List" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:00:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 11:01:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f376960909117217770 Hey List, Does anyone know what the larger of the two mounting thread sizes on the T10 is? I know the eSIF says it's supposed to be 55mm, but I tried mounting it to my 200mm/f4 which has 55mm filter threads, and it's to big. Looks like it's either 57mm or 58mm. The reason I ask is, I have a lens with 52mm threads I'd like to mount it to, so I need to get a step-up ring. Thanks, Darin -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 11:14:11 2009 Received: (qmail 19287 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 10:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 10:14:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24E71C40F4E for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA71D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3866D19DDA3 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:14:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A98619DD79 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:14:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15101 invoked by uid 502); 3 Jan 2009 10:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.164.244) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 10:14:04 -0000 Message-ID: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:13:58 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 11:14:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f3a7393811035110158 Darin wrote: > Hey List, > > Does anyone know what the larger of the two mounting thread sizes on the T10 is? I know the eSIF says it's supposed to be 55mm, but I tried mounting it to my 200mm/f4 which has 55mm filter threads, and it's to big. It's 55mm, and mine is at the moment sitting in front of me screwed onto a 200/4 Zuiko. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 11:43:21 2009 Received: (qmail 26992 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 10:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 10:43:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092541C40F60 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF913D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:43:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DDB34AC005 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:43:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDA234AC002 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:43:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:43:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25671 invoked by uid 502); 3 Jan 2009 10:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.161.8) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 10:43:14 -0000 Message-ID: <495F413C.4090208@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:43:08 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 11:43:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f41499069117217770 Here's a pic. M Moose wrote: > Darin wrote: > >> Hey List, >> >> Does anyone know what the larger of the two mounting thread sizes on the T10 is? I know the eSIF says it's supposed to be 55mm, but I tried mounting it to my 200mm/f4 which has 55mm filter threads, and it's to big. >> > > It's 55mm, and mine is at the moment sitting in front of me screwed onto > a 200/4 Zuiko. > > Moose > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 11:58:41 2009 Received: (qmail 9075 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 10:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 10:58:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329361C40F51 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05BDD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C95519DF8B for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:58:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6E119DF76 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:58:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.187]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so4871679tia.10 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.31.5 with SMTP id e5mr1213916tie.43.1230980313291; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.70.6 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:58:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7e764efe0901030258q59ab85edo216be6f1db048bc6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:58:33 +0800 From: castanet.xiosnetworks To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 11:58:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f44e1263191257536491 2009/1/3 Chris Barker > Thanks for that, Joel. And on the subject of the RM-1, it should work > with the E-3 should it? I'll give my after-market version another go. Chris, on the subject of correct usage of the English language, shouldn't that be, "...it should work with the E-3, shouldn't it?" :) Just having some fun with you. Happy New Year anyhow... :) K. -- Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people" - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 12:14:03 2009 Received: (qmail 14409 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 11:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 11:14:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196251C40F5E for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:14:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A88D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195E434AC009 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:13:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF71034AC005 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:13:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:13:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yz7Y1a00F17UAYkA1zDxta; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:13:57 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yzDw1a0033cAhRk8ZzDxQE; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:13:57 +0000 Message-ID: <07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com> <495F413C.4090208@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:13:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 12:14:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f487b264062070262475 Hi Moose, I wonder if it's possible that mine has had the mount changed at some point, because on mine the threads are as big, if not a little bigger diameter than the lens barrel on the 200/f4. Could you possibly post a pic of the mount on your T10, so I can see if it looks any different from mine? Thanks, Darin Moose wrote: > Here's a pic. > > > M > > Moose wrote: >> Darin wrote: >> >>> Hey List, >>> >>> Does anyone know what the larger of the two mounting thread sizes on the >>> T10 is? I know the eSIF says it's supposed to be 55mm, but I tried >>> mounting it to my 200mm/f4 which has 55mm filter threads, and it's to >>> big. >>> >> >> It's 55mm, and mine is at the moment sitting in front of me screwed onto >> a 200/4 Zuiko. >> >> Moose >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 1:10 PM -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 13:18:56 2009 Received: (qmail 17895 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 12:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 12:18:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449221C40F64 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6292D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B457B34AC009 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:18:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EC334AC002 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:18:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out2.tiscali.nl (smtp-out2.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out2.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LJ5Se-0007Du-8o for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:18:36 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:18:29 +0100 Message-ID: <8ilul4hvrvf5p06qoe5utfgfvrp3rtgn6v@4ax.com> References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com> <495F413C.4090208@gmail.com> <07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> In-Reply-To: <07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 13:18:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f57b05741234514069 Darin, Why would anyone want to change the mount, complicate as it is because of its double size, rather than using a stepping ring to the needed 57 or 58mm? Are you sure your flash hasn't a ring attached already? It should be a step-down ring, and they can be easily overlooked.... Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:13:47 -0800, "Darin" wrote: >Hi Moose, > >I wonder if it's possible that mine has had the mount changed at some point, >because on mine the threads are as big, if not a little bigger diameter than >the lens barrel on the 200/f4. Could you possibly post a pic of the mount on >your T10, so I can see if it looks any different from mine? > >Thanks, >Darin > > >Moose wrote: > >> Here's a pic. >> >> >> M >> >> Moose wrote: >>> Darin wrote: >>> >>>> Hey List, >>>> >>>> Does anyone know what the larger of the two mounting thread sizes on the >>>> T10 is? I know the eSIF says it's supposed to be 55mm, but I tried >>>> mounting it to my 200mm/f4 which has 55mm filter threads, and it's to >>>> big. >>>> >>> >>> It's 55mm, and mine is at the moment sitting in front of me screwed onto >>> a 200/4 Zuiko. >>> >>> Moose >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 >1:10 PM -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 13:40:24 2009 Received: (qmail 29135 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 12:40:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 12:40:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11B11C40F3D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:40:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D2AD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA53734AC005 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:40:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2154434AC009 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:40:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:40:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 746 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 12:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 12:40:09 -0000 Message-ID: <495F5CA8.3040903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:40:08 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <635864.47982.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <495F3088.6080000@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <495F3088.6080000@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090102-0, 01/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] E-410 deal X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 13:40:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f5cb8144962336821329 Lurking under the term "contrast detect autofocus" is the reason for its = existence. DSLRs normally focus using "phase detection" while digital = P&S cameras use "contrast detection". It's the contrast detect = autofocus that allows live view in the E420 to offer continuous focusing = with the mirror up. Without it the mirror has to be lowered to focus = and then raised again to see the live view image. For an overview of = autofocus methods see: I don't understand why there's a firmware dependency in Olympus lenses = to operate with contrast detect autofocus but there is. Maybe the = autofocus is normally disabled with the mirror up? Anyhow, apparently = any lens can be updated to use contrast detection but so far only three = have been. Now that the E30 is out which, unlike the E3, also supports = contrast detection perhaps there will be some more urgency in updating = other lenses. Incidentally, finding the lens compatibility info is difficult. One = would expect a little table covering specs on all the lenses including a = column for contrast detection compatibility. If it exists I didn't find = it. Even those lenses which are compatible don't say so in their specs = pages. Very frustrating when the user's manuals for the E420 and E30 = simply refer you to the Olympus web site for lens compatibility info. From the FAQs on the E420 at OlympusAmerica.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- At the time of the E-420=92s release in May 2008, the compatible lenses = were the 14-42mm f3.5-5.6, the 40-150mm f4.0-5.6, and the 25mm f2.8 = =93pancake=94 lens. Depending on the date of purchase, a compatible model = may require a firmware update in order to support IMAGER AF. In the = future, Olympus may add IMAGER AF support to other Zuiko Digital lenses = via firmware updates. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > AS wrote: >> .... >> >> What is major difference between the 410 and 420? I didnt see any differ= ence while checking specs. = > = > New features (compared to the E-410) > = > * Larger, 2.7" LCD display (versus 2.5" on the E-410) > * Contrast detect autofocus (with select lenses) > * Face detection in live view mode > * Auto Gradation (Dynamic Range enhancement) > * Faster continuous shooting speeds (3.5 vs 3.0 fps) > * Improved right hand grip > * Perfect Shot Preview > * Wireless flash control > = > = > Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 13:50:34 2009 Received: (qmail 23061 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 12:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 12:50:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB791C40F46 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:50:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1942DD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:50:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E59034AC009 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:50:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D1934AC002 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:50:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:50:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4052 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 12:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 12:50:26 -0000 Message-ID: <495F5F12.2080304@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:50:26 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com> <495F413C.4090208@gmail.com> <07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> In-Reply-To: <07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090102-0, 01/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 13:50:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f5f1a277662046811720 It's not only the eSIF but the user's manual which says that the T10 has dual, concentric 49/55mm mounting threads. The most logical explanation I think is that yours has been fitted with something like a 58->55 step down ring. If that's so you should be able to simply unscrew it. Well, let's hope it's simple. Filter threads don't always want to cooperate. Got a filter ring grip? Chuck Norcutt Darin wrote: > Hi Moose, > > I wonder if it's possible that mine has had the mount changed at some point, > because on mine the threads are as big, if not a little bigger diameter than > the lens barrel on the 200/f4. Could you possibly post a pic of the mount on > your T10, so I can see if it looks any different from mine? > > Thanks, > Darin > > > Moose wrote: > >> Here's a pic. >> >> >> M >> >> Moose wrote: >>> Darin wrote: >>> >>>> Hey List, >>>> >>>> Does anyone know what the larger of the two mounting thread sizes on the >>>> T10 is? I know the eSIF says it's supposed to be 55mm, but I tried >>>> mounting it to my 200mm/f4 which has 55mm filter threads, and it's to >>>> big. >>>> >>> It's 55mm, and mine is at the moment sitting in front of me screwed onto >>> a 200/4 Zuiko. >>> >>> Moose >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 > 1:10 PM > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 13:55:53 2009 Received: (qmail 10775 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 12:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 12:55:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1004E1C40F49 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3802D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:55:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A2119E2FD for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:55:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F398319E2FE for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:55:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5651 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 12:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 12:55:46 -0000 Message-ID: <495F6052.2090303@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:55:46 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090102-0, 01/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 1/1/2009 (now during the day): freezing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 13:55:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f605960951257536491 I like the composition on this one although I think I'd prefer about double the space between top of bridge and top of frame. do zobaczenia, Chuck Norcutt Nathan wrote: > My hangover on the first morning of 2009 was very mild to > nonexistent, probably a consequence of very moderate drinking the > night before (I must be getting old...). Nevertheless, an > invigorating morning walk along the empty streets was very pleasant. > The winter is now really taking hold in Poland. Not a lot of snow > yet, but the wide river Odra that flows through Wroclaw is beginning > to freeze: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#447696247_guN4g-O-LB > > Nathan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 13:59:46 2009 Received: (qmail 1298 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 12:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 12:59:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679491C4050D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B526D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD80619E311 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:59:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F96E19E31B for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:59:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id z0oR1a00G0vp7WLA40zgVb; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:59:40 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id z0zf1a0083cAhRk8R0zgzV; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:59:40 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com><495F413C.4090208@gmail.com><07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> <8ilul4hvrvf5p06qoe5utfgfvrp3rtgn6v@4ax.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:59:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 13:59:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f614274029117217770 Frank, I think you've solved the puzzle! I hadn't thought of that, but now that I look at it a little closer, it appears to have a ring stuck on it. Now to figure out how to get the stuck ring off! :^) Thanks, Darin Frank van Lindert wrote: > Are you sure your flash hasn't a ring attached already? It > should be a step-down ring, and they can be easily overlooked.... > > Frank van Lindert > Utrecht NL. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 14:14:21 2009 Received: (qmail 25936 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 13:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 13:14:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD071C40546 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4379D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF7134AC005 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:14:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6278534AC002 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:14:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id z10R1a0050x6nqcA11EH7T; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:14:17 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id z1EG1a0013cAhRk8Y1EG1J; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:14:16 +0000 Message-ID: <045FEF14BAF04273B1C561D2BCB4793B@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com> <495F413C.4090208@gmail.com><07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> <495F5F12.2080304@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:14:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 14:14:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f64ad255501702588592 Hi Chuck, Yep, just figured that out, with the helpful suggestion from Frank van Lindert, and you're right, they aren't wanting to cooperate. No, I don't have a filter grip. Any suggestions for helping it along? I've already tried slightly heating and cooling. Is a filter grip something I should be able to find at pretty much any camera shop, or will I need to order one? Thanks, Darin Chuck wrote: > The most logical explanation > I think is that yours has been fitted with something like a 58->55 step > down ring. If that's so you should be able to simply unscrew it. Well, > let's hope it's simple. Filter threads don't always want to cooperate. > Got a filter ring grip? > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 14:19:53 2009 Received: (qmail 15773 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 13:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 13:19:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF781C40521 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA1AD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BC519E38F for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:19:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D96B19E378 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:19:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24407 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 13:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 13:19:43 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090103080633.02380878@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:19:29 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: <20081229123934.12073.qmail@s409.sureserver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Brothers Bale X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 14:19:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f65f9267761744846740 Ken, I'd like to see your take on using a Carl Zeiss lens. Makes me wonder if all the Cannaann lenses I have were designed with a computer program that optimized some performance parameters, rather than being designed from understanding of first principles and experience. The OM Zuiko lenses evolved over time. There are so many factors that affect lens characteristics that fall outside performance measures. WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 14:22:12 2009 Received: (qmail 4858 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 13:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 13:22:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25851C40F4B for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:22:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D324ED0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:22:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBE134AC005 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:22:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C1C34AC009 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:22:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LJ6S3-0007KP-Vr for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:22:04 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:21:58 +0100 Message-ID: <1bpul4hoji9q5i8udeugnpkjf5vutp9fmg@4ax.com> References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com><495F413C.4090208@gmail.com><07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> <8ilul4hvrvf5p06qoe5utfgfvrp3rtgn6v@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 14:22:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f6684247561585427447 Good! For unscrewing use a few square inches of tyre tube (or an old punctured inner football) to get a good grip. You could also buy a special silicone grip (made for the disabled) to unscrew lids of jars. Frank. Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:59:31 -0800, "Darin" wrote: >Frank, I think you've solved the puzzle! I hadn't thought of that, but now >that I look at it a little closer, it appears to have a ring stuck on it. >Now to figure out how to get the stuck ring off! :^) > >Thanks, >Darin > >Frank van Lindert wrote: >> Are you sure your flash hasn't a ring attached already? It >> should be a step-down ring, and they can be easily overlooked.... >> >> Frank van Lindert >> Utrecht NL. >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 14:30:41 2009 Received: (qmail 30536 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 13:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 13:30:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC451C40F35 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1230DD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0139434AC00C for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:30:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAFC34AC005 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:30:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:30:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LJ6aI-0005Fs-FI for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:30:34 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:30:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com><495F413C.4090208@gmail.com><07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> <8ilul4hvrvf5p06qoe5utfgfvrp3rtgn6v@4ax.com> <1bpul4hoji9q5i8udeugnpkjf5vutp9fmg@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <1bpul4hoji9q5i8udeugnpkjf5vutp9fmg@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 14:30:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f6881305431257536491 If it won't come off of course you could also simply keep it attached and buy a 52->58 step-up instead of the 52->55 you would otherwise have needed... (if indeed the outer rim diameter at present is 58. Take it with you to the shop!). Frank. Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:21:58 +0100, Frank van Lindert wrote: >Good! > >For unscrewing use a few square inches of tyre tube (or an old >punctured inner football) to get a good grip. You could also buy a >special silicone grip (made for the disabled) to unscrew lids of jars. > >Frank. > >Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:59:31 -0800, "Darin" wrote: > >>Frank, I think you've solved the puzzle! I hadn't thought of that, but now >>that I look at it a little closer, it appears to have a ring stuck on it. >>Now to figure out how to get the stuck ring off! :^) >> >>Thanks, >>Darin >> >>Frank van Lindert wrote: >>> Are you sure your flash hasn't a ring attached already? It >>> should be a step-down ring, and they can be easily overlooked.... >>> >>> Frank van Lindert >>> Utrecht NL. >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 14:54:32 2009 Received: (qmail 16909 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 13:54:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 13:54:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EE11C40F4B for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:54:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7711D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59DD19E434 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:54:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFCB19E439 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:54:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 05:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25423 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 13:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 13:54:25 -0000 Message-ID: <495F6E10.5030102@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:54:24 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com><495F413C.4090208@gmail.com><07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> <8ilul4hvrvf5p06qoe5utfgfvrp3rtgn6v@4ax.com> <1bpul4hoji9q5i8udeugnpkjf5vutp9fmg@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090102-0, 01/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 14:54:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f6e1786025368819438 The best bet if you can find them are filter wrenches like these Alternatively, as Frank recommended, any sort of grippy rubber might help. Rubber sheets for opening jar lids or to make non-slip or cushioned surfaces such as rubber shelf liners. Or snap a number of rubber bands around the ring. If that fails I'd try a worm gear type stainless steel hose clamp such as you'd use on an auto radiator hose. But I'd probably put some rubber bands underneath to serve as a cushion for the ring as these things are not perfectly round where the screw threads are. Pressure that is not uniformly applied around the entire circumference risks deforming the ring which will make the removal task that much more difficult as well as making it difficult to use the T10's threads afterwards If all else fails you can try cutting it off. Chuck Norcutt Frank van Lindert wrote: > If it won't come off of course you could also simply keep it attached > and buy a 52->58 step-up instead of the 52->55 you would otherwise > have needed... (if indeed the outer rim diameter at present is 58. > Take it with you to the shop!). > > Frank. > > Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:21:58 +0100, Frank van Lindert > wrote: > >> Good! >> >> For unscrewing use a few square inches of tyre tube (or an old >> punctured inner football) to get a good grip. You could also buy a >> special silicone grip (made for the disabled) to unscrew lids of jars. >> >> Frank. >> >> Sat, 3 Jan 2009 04:59:31 -0800, "Darin" wrote: >> >>> Frank, I think you've solved the puzzle! I hadn't thought of that, but now >>> that I look at it a little closer, it appears to have a ring stuck on it. >>> Now to figure out how to get the stuck ring off! :^) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Darin >>> >>> Frank van Lindert wrote: >>>> Are you sure your flash hasn't a ring attached already? It >>>> should be a step-down ring, and they can be easily overlooked.... >>>> >>>> Frank van Lindert >>>> Utrecht NL. >>>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 16:00:16 2009 Received: (qmail 5268 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 15:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 15:00:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CC11C40F63 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BF0D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D8534AC009 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:00:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C5E34AC002 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:00:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from russlaptop ([72.79.25.31]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KCW00HOMHNMJ99B@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:59:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:01:07 -0500 From: Russ Butler In-reply-to: <495F413C.4090208@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <495F7DB3.5000502@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081230-0, 2008.12.30), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com> <495F413C.4090208@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 16:00:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f7d80133491035110158 Moose wrote: > Here's a pic. > > What's with all the dust? Did you forgot the dust removal step in your work flow ?:-) -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 16:04:47 2009 Received: (qmail 24254 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 15:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 15:04:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A7D1C40F5C for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:04:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DE6D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:04:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60BB34AC002 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:04:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BBF34AC005 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:04:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:04:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from russlaptop ([72.79.25.31]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KCW0060IHVKGNDG@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:04:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:05:53 -0500 From: Russ Butler In-reply-to: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <495F7ED1.3060300@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081230-0, 2008.12.30), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com><495F413C.4090208@gmail.com><07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> <8ilul4hvrvf5p06qoe5utfgfvrp3rtgn6v@4ax.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 16:04:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f7e8f169571234514069 Darin wrote: > Frank, I think you've solved the puzzle! I hadn't thought of that, but now > that I look at it a little closer, it appears to have a ring stuck on it. > Now to figure out how to get the stuck ring off! :^) > If higher friction (rubber etc. as others suggested) doesn't work, try a drop or two of a good penetrating lubricant, like PB blaster. It's available at auto parts stores. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 16:11:53 2009 Received: (qmail 3111 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 15:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 15:11:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DC11C40300 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F71D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE5D34AC005 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:11:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587F334AC002 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:11:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B6BC96FB for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:32:10 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <1638D890-B95B-4708-A295-2D5B8CFC5330@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0901030258q59ab85edo216be6f1db048bc6@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:11:43 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> <7e764efe0901030258q59ab85edo216be6f1db048bc6@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 16:11:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f8039249331035110158 Nice try, Khen, but no cigar :-) That would have meant something different, only slightly, but different. Chris On 3 Jan 2009, at 10:58, castanet.xiosnetworks wrote: > 2009/1/3 Chris Barker > >> Thanks for that, Joel. And on the subject of the RM-1, it should >> work >> with the E-3 should it? I'll give my after-market version another >> go. > > > Chris, on the subject of correct usage of the English language, > shouldn't > that be, "...it should work with the E-3, shouldn't it?" :) > > Just having some fun with you. Happy New Year anyhow... :) > > > K. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 17:18:30 2009 Received: (qmail 30570 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 16:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 16:18:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99B71C40515 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:18:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DF9D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6E819E92D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:18:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5268C19E90F for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:18:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from postbode02.versateladsl.be (postbode02.versateladsl.be [212.53.5.92]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30965 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 16:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tour) ([94.111.66.173]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.versateladsl.be (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 3 Jan 2009 16:18:09 -0000 From: "Stephan Van den Zegel" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com><4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net><495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com><85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net><9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com><7e764efe0901030258q59ab85edo216be6f1db048bc6@mail.gmail.com> <1638D890-B95B-4708-A295-2D5B8CFC5330@threeshoes.net> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:18:21 +0100 Message-ID: <95852E233D5E4CADAC60DD8179017A84@tour> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1638D890-B95B-4708-A295-2D5B8CFC5330@threeshoes.net> Thread-Index: AclttZouwA3PkmclSbKBOt0Rt+Hl7wACKbkg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-0, 03/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] A Photographical contest in Brussels (Belgium) : theme : windows... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 17:18:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f8fd6160091529615919 I said windows, not the software but the architectural element... and to be more specific "windows in Brussels" New year, new job... I've just been hired as director of a big Brussels association... nothing to do with photo or om... but they are organizing a photographical contest... so take your gears (that 24mm shift that is just taking dust on your shelf... for instance) and come to photography Brussels http://www.curbain.be/fr/patrimoine/projet/concoursphoto_2008.php Stephan... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 18:12:33 2009 Received: (qmail 13089 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 17:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 17:12:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7E61C40F41 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9E0D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD3819EAF0 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:12:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A27219EAEC for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:12:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.242]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so6559463rvb.50 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.222.21 with SMTP id u21mr7834057wfg.199.1231002745866; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:12:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901030912u224d7402v969bd1a75d5a8186@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:12:25 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 18:12:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f9c81261937350615338 Chris, The RM-1 is official, according to the manual. Olympus has located the sensor for the E-3 in the gully between the grip and the prism and it's just a little harder to trigger it now -- for me, at least -- from close range, as one would like to do when the camera is mounted on a tripod. Let us know how it works for you. Joel W. On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks for that, Joel. And on the subject of the RM-1, it should work > with the E-3 should it? I'll give my after-market version another go. > > Cheers > > Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 18:17:45 2009 Received: (qmail 21971 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 17:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 17:17:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF4C1C40515 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:17:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0356D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9019734AC009 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:17:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA44934AC005 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:17:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so7601406wfd.26 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.43.19 with SMTP id q19mr7840679wfq.187.1231003057460; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:17:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:17:37 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <495ED6BA.4050605@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> <495ED6BA.4050605@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 18:17:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495f9db936829347015869 Chuck, Our cousin who was so impressed with IS (if you refer to my original narrative) has been waiting for used 5D bodies to drop below On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I too appreciate thumb and index finger controls. I've never even seen > an E-3 other than in pictures but the Minolta A1 has a similar layout > and I liked that much more than the big jog wheel which is prone to > accidental change unless you set the power switch in the correct > position to prevent it... something I almost always forget to do. > > But in any case I wouldn't trade my big sensor for those ergonomic dials. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> Chris, >> I think I spoke to the subjective assessment before your reply to >> Chuck came through. I would add that I didn't notice any particular >> difficulty in handling the 5D MkII, but I am not especially fussy >> about that kind of thing. It felt "weird" to handle the MkII but I >> don't doubt I could get used to it. In my opinion, the layout of >> controls on the E-3 is "better." I think the big jog dial on the >> Canaan is clumsy and old-fashioned and much prefer the dials that >> allow quick action via both thumb and index finger on the E-3. But >> Canaan users, I gather, appreciate the fact that controls don't >> substantially change between models. >> >> I might add -- and have no idea how you feel about it -- that I am >> always delighted to handle the E-3. I seems to me to have the >> ergonomics of the E-1 but with improvement/advancement, despite the >> increase in weight. My only snag so far has been that the sensor for >> the remote (RM-1) is not as easy to trigger as on the E-1 or E-330. >> >> Joel W. >> >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Chris Barker wrote: >>> Thanks, Chuck, but I suppose that I was looking for a subjective >>> assessment of the feel between the 2 rather than an objective summary >>> of their dimensions. >>> >>> There again, I have never seen a 5D, let alone handled one. I don't >>> suppose that I have missed much by that omission ... :-) >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 2 Jan 2009, at 14:08, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> >>>> 5D Mark II $2700 ($2000 for 5D) >>>> Dimensions 152 x 114 x 75 mm (6.0 x 4.5 x 2.9 in) >>>> Weight (no battery) 810 g (29oz) >>>> >>>> Olympus E3 $1429 >>>> Dimensions 142 x 116 x 75 mm (5.6 x 4.6 x 2.9 in) >>>> Weight (no battery) 800 g (28oz) >>>> >>>> There's very little difference in size and weight. It's interesting >>>> to >>>> note that the difference in width (10mm) is less than the difference >>>> in >>>> sensor width (18.7mm). Maybe the E3 needs that for the anti-shake. >>>> >>>> So, not much difference in the bodies but what happens when you add an >>>> equivalent pair of high end constant aperture lenses? One weighs >>>> more, >>>> the other weighs less. The E3 body costs much less but the lenses >>>> cost >>>> much more. But the Zuikos are a stop faster although not so wide on >>>> the >>>> wide end. >>>> >>>> Canon 24-70/2.8L 4.9" (124mm) x 3.3" (83mm) - 34oz (950g) $1039 >>>> Canon 70-200/2.8L* 7.7" (196mm) x 3.4" (86mm) - 51oz (1458) $1488 >>>> >>>> Zuiko 14-35/2.0 4.8" (123mm) x 3.4" (86mm) - 32oz (915g) $1852 >>>> Zuiko 35-100/2.0* 8.4" (214mm) x 3.8" (97mm) - 58oz (1650g) $1950 >>>> >>>> *without Tripod Adapter >>>> >>>> Total weight and cost for body and two lenses >>>> 5D Mark II 3218g (114oz) $5227 ($4527 for 5D) >>>> E3 - 3365g (119oz) $5231 >>>> >>>> So, the E3 and a pair of fast lenses weighs more and costs more than >>>> the >>>> 5D Mark II and its pair of 1 stop slower lenses. And quite a bit more >>>> than a 5D and the same lenses. When I bought OM in the '70s it was >>>> because it was smaller, lighter and cheaper. It seems that Olympus has >>>> lost its way on small, light and cheap. >>>> >>>> Perhaps a better comparison would be with the 12-60/2.8-4 and >>>> 50-200/2.8-3.5 but there the Zuikos have lost their speed advantage >>>> and >>>> are no longer constant aperture. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 18:44:38 2009 Received: (qmail 25252 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 17:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 17:44:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99B51C4030D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C13D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496B119EBEB for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:44:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8291B19EBCD for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:44:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32515 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 17:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 17:44:28 -0000 Message-ID: <495FA3FB.7060609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:44:27 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> <495ED6BA.4050605@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-0, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 18:44:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fa40667881591313764 Looks like maybe you hit enter before finishing your sentence. KEH is asking $1429 for an EX+ 5D. The problem with Canon IS is that you have to pay big bucks for lenses. I don't own any of them... just Tokina and Tamrons. Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > Chuck, > Our cousin who was so impressed with IS (if you refer to my original > narrative) has been waiting for used 5D bodies to drop below -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 18:58:13 2009 Received: (qmail 20683 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 17:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 17:58:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E961C40F44 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75ED1D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5216D19EC64 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:58:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D161619EC44 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:58:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.249]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:58:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so6570303rvb.50 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:58:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.173.14 with SMTP id v14mr4473785wfe.116.1231005487343; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:58:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:58:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901030958hd732159u72511bfd422cfe40@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:58:07 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> <495ED6BA.4050605@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 18:58:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fa735256497350615338 Chuck, Yes, my first attempt at a reply misfired (laptops in the dark ...) Our cousin who was so impressed with the E-3's IS feature, if you recall my original narrative, has been waiting for used 5D bodies to fall below $1K, but they apparently continue to hold their value. I think if Canaan had used toggle switches that the faithful would still swear by them because of the perceived value of consistency from one model to the next. More power to them. There is a real benefit to consistency in a system as extensive as Canaan's I'll wager. I certainly can't evaluate how much the big LCD or LV or ISO 6400 or 24 MP is worth to current 5D users. It wouldn't be worth it me, I don't think. The original 5D is still the break-through camera of sorts to my inexperienced mind. In the meantime, let a kajillion flowers bloom. My close encounter with the 5D MkII doesn't lessen my attachment to the E-system, much as it delights me to see our relative's enjoyment of it. If I get some sort of 5D someday, I hope to exploit your experiences with the third-party lenses. :) Joel W. On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: >> I too appreciate thumb and index finger controls. I've never even seen >> an E-3 other than in pictures but the Minolta A1 has a similar layout >> and I liked that much more than the big jog wheel which is prone to >> accidental change unless you set the power switch in the correct >> position to prevent it... something I almost always forget to do. >> >> But in any case I wouldn't trade my big sensor for those ergonomic dials. >> >> Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 19:01:22 2009 Received: (qmail 13757 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 18:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 18:01:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06371C40F44 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:01:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD711D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9E419EC82 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:01:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10E019EC81 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:01:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:01:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CF131411E for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE8E314109 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:25:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <495FA7F3.5070106@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:01:23 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090102-0, 01/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 19:01:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fa7f2165637927319144 How about the demise of the adverb. Why do people stick on an adjective instead? It has almost become standard usage. Even the news anchors do it. An then there is verbanizing everything :-) Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 19:12:45 2009 Received: (qmail 26466 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 18:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 18:12:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D121C40F50 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095A9D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:12:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF7B19ECEF for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:12:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1D019ECCC for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:12:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:12:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2050C972A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:33:03 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <495FA7F3.5070106@interisland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:12:37 +0000 References: <495FA7F3.5070106@interisland.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 19:12:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495faa9d152654673671140 Amen, Mike. But then Americans invented the need to put adverbs before the verb, leading pretty well directly to the split infinitive, e.g. to boldly go :-) Sorry about the generalisation though. And I love the "verbanise" word ... :-) Chris On 3 Jan 2009, at 18:01, Mike Lazzari wrote: > How about the demise of the adverb. Why do people stick on an > adjective > instead? It has almost become standard usage. Even the news anchors > do it. > > An then there is verbanizing everything :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 19:14:10 2009 Received: (qmail 11476 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 18:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 18:14:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A461C40F44 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81B5D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF3B34AC009 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:14:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5946C34AC002 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:14:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24760 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 18:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 18:14:02 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090103130857.01122a48@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:13:56 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.co m> References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> <495ED6BA.4050605@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 19:14:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495faaf236891529615919 For low light sensitive enthusiasts, I found this an interesting site: http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedetail/digital.sensor.performance.summary/ The 5DmkII sensor seems to have very low read noise levels. Even though the pixel size is smaller than the 5D, it also has lower noise. Interesting. WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 19:15:20 2009 Received: (qmail 17191 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 18:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 18:15:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80D61C40F37 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268ECD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:15:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1893034AC005 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:15:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5553134AC002 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:15:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:15:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25184 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 18:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 18:15:13 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090103131423.023a88e0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:15:08 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <495FA7F3.5070106@interisland.net> References: <495FA7F3.5070106@interisland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 19:15:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fab38309561499373980 Absolutely. WayneS At 01:01 PM 1/3/2009, you wrote: >How about the demise of the adverb. Why do people stick on an adjective >instead? It has almost become standard usage. Even the news anchors do it. > >An then there is verbanizing everything :-) > >Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 20:04:43 2009 Received: (qmail 29086 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 19:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 19:04:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE741C403AD for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABBED0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6B234AC00C for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:04:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E5634AC005 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:04:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:04:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30639 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 19:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090103-0, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 20:04:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fb6ca7217350615338 I think the 5D will continue to hold good value for a long time to come. I think the Mark II has too many megapixels... not just from a noise standpoint but from a lens standpoint. If your lens can resolve that many pixels at all it's at a restricted aperture like f/5.6 or f/8. And even then it's very unlikely to extend very far into the corners. Canon is certainly consistent with the interface. The large "quick control dial" on the back of the camera (that I dislike) dates back at least as far as the EOS-1N film body of 1994. Long time Canon shooters would likely be very upset if the design changed. Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > Chuck, > Yes, my first attempt at a reply misfired (laptops in the dark ...) > > Our cousin who was so impressed with the E-3's IS feature, if you > recall my original narrative, has been waiting for used 5D bodies to > fall below $1K, but they apparently continue to hold their value. I > think if Canaan had used toggle switches that the faithful would still > swear by them because of the perceived value of consistency from one > model to the next. More power to them. There is a real benefit to > consistency in a system as extensive as Canaan's I'll wager. > > I certainly can't evaluate how much the big LCD or LV or ISO 6400 or > 24 MP is worth to current 5D users. It wouldn't be worth it me, I > don't think. The original 5D is still the break-through camera of > sorts to my inexperienced mind. > > In the meantime, let a kajillion flowers bloom. My close encounter > with the 5D MkII doesn't lessen my attachment to the E-system, much as > it delights me to see our relative's enjoyment of it. If I get some > sort of 5D someday, I hope to exploit your experiences with the > third-party lenses. :) > > Joel W. > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Chuck Norcutt >> wrote: >>> I too appreciate thumb and index finger controls. I've never even seen >>> an E-3 other than in pictures but the Minolta A1 has a similar layout >>> and I liked that much more than the big jog wheel which is prone to >>> accidental change unless you set the power switch in the correct >>> position to prevent it... something I almost always forget to do. >>> >>> But in any case I wouldn't trade my big sensor for those ergonomic dials. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 20:40:36 2009 Received: (qmail 3476 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 19:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 19:40:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0BA1C402FD for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:40:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B69D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C5019EF5B for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:40:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8649719EF56 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:40:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id z48A1a00B1HpZEsA77gYsa; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:40:32 +0000 Received: from SpongeBob ([24.5.207.129]) by OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id z7gK1a01F2o2YFL8a7gXJH; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:40:31 +0000 From: "Jay Drew" To: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:40:25 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c96ddb$255fa3a0$6400a8c0@SpongeBob> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: Re: [OM] Acid Goose X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 20:40:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fbf3429191993019900 >What do you do when you are presented with a photograph that is technically >OK, but just doesn't float your boat? Well, open the file up in RAW >Therapee and start cranking sliders around until it triggers hallucinations. > >www.zone-10.com - Acid Goose. And does one crank up In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida whilst twiddling the controls? In the stone ages I guess you could have used a Lava Lamp as a light source for the slide copier. Jay -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 21:47:15 2009 Received: (qmail 29325 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 20:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 20:47:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6988D1C40F37 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C477D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEBF34AC009 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:47:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E88E34AC005 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:47:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7908 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 20:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 20:47:02 -0000 Message-ID: <495FCEC6.6010904@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:47:02 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> <495ED6BA.4050605@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090103130857.01122a48@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090103130857.01122a48@zuik.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-0, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 21:47:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fced3231011234514069 I may have to change my mind about 5D Mark II noise but the pixel density still outresolves a lot of lenses. But that's doubly true for an E3. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > For low light sensitive enthusiasts, I found this an interesting site: > http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedetail/digital.sensor.performance.summary/ > > The 5DmkII sensor seems to have very low read noise levels. Even though > the pixel size is smaller than the 5D, it also has lower noise. Interesting. > > WayneS > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 22:02:50 2009 Received: (qmail 10548 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 21:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 21:02:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CBC1C40F44 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A840D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5DB19F17E for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:02:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C2B19F169 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:02:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13500 invoked by uid 502); 3 Jan 2009 21:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.168.99) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 21:02:40 -0000 Message-ID: <495FD26E.5070605@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:02:38 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com><495F413C.4090208@gmail.com><07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> <8ilul4hvrvf5p06qoe5utfgfvrp3rtgn6v@4ax.com> <1bpul4hoji9q5i8udeugnpkjf5vutp9fmg@4ax.com> <495F6E10.5030102@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <495F6E10.5030102@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 22:02:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fd27a13231823421471 All good ides and advice. I'd like to add more explicit explanatory detail that is implicit in some of your advice. The problem is generally that pressure from the sides distorts the thin metal towards an oval shape, causing the ring to actually grip the threads to which it is attached harder than at rest. So you get into a vicious circle. The harder you grip, the greater the self created friction you are trying to overcome. That's why the filter wrenches are designed to grip the ring all the way around so as to avoid distorting it. I have usually found that applying pressure only on the front edge/rim of the ring, perpendicular to the plane of it, and none at all against the sides, will loosen a ring that is otherwise apparently really stuck hard. It's can be quite amazing how a little persuasion, with a bit of jiggling, rocking, etc., can gently remove a ring where brute force applied in another direction cannot. This may apply to filters, as well. Moose Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The best bet if you can find them are filter wrenches like these > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/70726-REG/General_Brand__Filter_Wrench_48_58mm_Set.html > Alternatively, as Frank recommended, any sort of grippy rubber might help. Rubber sheets for opening jar lids or to make non-slip or cushioned surfaces such as rubber shelf liners. Or snap a number of rubber bands around the ring. > > If that fails I'd try a worm gear type stainless steel hose clamp such as you'd use on an auto radiator hose. But I'd probably put some rubber bands underneath to serve as a cushion for the ring as these things are not perfectly round where the screw threads are. Pressure that is not uniformly applied around the entire circumference risks deforming the ring which will make the removal task that much more difficult as well > as making it difficult to use the T10's threads afterwards > > If all else fails you can try cutting it off. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 22:14:34 2009 Received: (qmail 30447 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 21:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 21:14:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346B61C40FA9 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:14:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAA6D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:14:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E7534AC00C for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:14:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2299834AC005 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:14:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18071 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 21:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 21:14:28 -0000 Message-ID: <495FD533.5060007@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:14:27 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com><495F413C.4090208@gmail.com><07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> <8ilul4hvrvf5p06qoe5utfgfvrp3rtgn6v@4ax.com> <1bpul4hoji9q5i8udeugnpkjf5vutp9fmg@4ax.com> <495F6E10.5030102@chucknorcutt.com> <495FD26E.5070605@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <495FD26E.5070605@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-0, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 22:14:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fd53a203701470116606 I hadn't thought about that but Moose has a good point here. Since you clearly have access to the front edge of the ring a simple friction tool may work best. I'm thinking of a thin rubber sheet (like the jar openers or shelf liners I mentioned earlier) sandwiched between the front edge of the ring and a small block of wood a bit bigger than the diameter of the ring. Press down and rotate. Just like using a friction tool to remove the "name ring" on the front of a lens. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > > I have usually found that applying pressure only on the front edge/rim > of the ring, perpendicular to the plane of it, and none at all against > the sides, will loosen a ring that is otherwise apparently really stuck > hard. It's can be quite amazing how a little persuasion, with a bit of > jiggling, rocking, etc., can gently remove a ring where brute force > applied in another direction cannot. This may apply to filters, as well. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 22:55:43 2009 Received: (qmail 27903 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 21:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 21:55:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4921C40F3B for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B901D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BB619F2AD for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:55:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DD119F27D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:55:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12289 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jan 2009 21:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 21:55:27 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090103162528.01133fd0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:55:19 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <495FCEC6.6010904@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> <495ED6BA.4050605@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090103130857.01122a48@zuik.net> <495FCEC6.6010904@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 22:55:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fdedf306711257536491 I myself would rather see less pixels and better noise performance. Going from 5D to 5Dmk2 pixel dimensions go from 8.2u to 6.4u, and is not too much change. Still, I doubt I ever shoot better than 8mp most of the time. There just aren't that many slow moving flat things to photograph, except perhaps the horizon. So the 5Dmk2 out resolves me most of the time. I found figure 9, on Apparant Image Quality, to be interesting. Especially the difference between FF and 4/3rds and smaller sensor sizes. WayneS At 03:47 PM 1/3/2009, Chuck wrote: >I may have to change my mind about 5D Mark II noise but the pixel >density still outresolves a lot of lenses. But that's doubly true for >an E3. > >Chuck Norcutt > >WayneS wrote: >> For low light sensitive enthusiasts, I found this an interesting site: >> http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedetail/digital.sensor.performance.summary/ >> >> The 5DmkII sensor seems to have very low read noise levels. Even though >> the pixel size is smaller than the 5D, it also has lower noise. Interesting. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 23:22:59 2009 Received: (qmail 1446 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 22:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 22:22:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DCB1C40FA8 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:22:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CEFD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:22:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C2719F34F for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:22:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96CC19F34B for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:22:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:22:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id z2Rk1a00J16AWCUA2ANvZu; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:22:55 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zANu1a00F3cAhRk8SANune; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:22:55 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com><495F413C.4090208@gmail.com><07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> <8ilul4hvrvf5p06qoe5utfgfvrp3rtgn6v@4ax.com> <1bpul4hoji9q5i8udeugnpkjf5vutp9fmg@4ax.com> <495F6E10.5030102@chucknorcutt.com><495FD26E.5070605@gmail.com> <495FD533.5060007@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:22:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 23:22:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fe543149351946193717 Huray! I finally got it. Rubber bands and a very, very gentle grip did the trick. Thanks for all the help guys! Darin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? >I hadn't thought about that but Moose has a good point here. Since you > clearly have access to the front edge of the ring a simple friction tool > may work best. I'm thinking of a thin rubber sheet (like the jar > openers or shelf liners I mentioned earlier) sandwiched between the > front edge of the ring and a small block of wood a bit bigger than the > diameter of the ring. Press down and rotate. Just like using a > friction tool to remove the "name ring" on the front of a lens. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Moose wrote: > >> >> I have usually found that applying pressure only on the front edge/rim >> of the ring, perpendicular to the plane of it, and none at all against >> the sides, will loosen a ring that is otherwise apparently really stuck >> hard. It's can be quite amazing how a little persuasion, with a bit of >> jiggling, rocking, etc., can gently remove a ring where brute force >> applied in another direction cannot. This may apply to filters, as well. >> >> Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 23:28:49 2009 Received: (qmail 4764 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 22:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 22:28:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEBC1C40F6D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3CDD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFE919F37D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DB819F35E for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 19 days 15:28:19 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A1928407E1 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:28:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34DusnEI4ilH for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C226E28407D2 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:28:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <7736E355-B828-428D-8C10-056AAF1A4BEB@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:28:41 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 23:28:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fe6a1267377350615338 > From: Chris Barker > > And it's time for a reminder about how to spell "its" and "it's" > > "Its" is the possessive pronoun, the possessive form of "it". > > "It's" is the short form of "it is". Here's my favourite discourse on the subject: :::: It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. :::: If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. :::: It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs. :::: -- Oxford University Press, Edpress News :::: Jan Steinman -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 23:36:48 2009 Received: (qmail 17647 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 22:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 22:36:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593871C40F4E for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D987D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A52634AC018 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:36:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E6834AC013 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:36:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:36:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16588 invoked by uid 502); 3 Jan 2009 22:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.179.17) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 22:36:40 -0000 Message-ID: <495FE86C.9090708@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:36:28 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com><495F413C.4090208@gmail.com><07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> <8ilul4hvrvf5p06qoe5utfgfvrp3rtgn6v@4ax.com> <1bpul4hoji9q5i8udeugnpkjf5vutp9fmg@4ax.com> <495F6E10.5030102@chucknorcutt.com><495FD26E.5070605@gmail.com> <495FD533.5060007@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 23:36:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fe880227854673671140 Darin wrote: > Huray! I finally got it. Rubber bands and a very, very gentle grip did the trick. > Excellent! Just another example where latex, subtlety and gentleness lead to a positive outcome. ;-) More, bigger, faster, longer - all so yesterday. Oh, wait a minute, maybe that belongs in the 5DII thread. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 3 23:39:08 2009 Received: (qmail 24479 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 22:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 22:39:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0DB1C40F60 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:39:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DA6D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3AF19F3AC for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:39:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8938219F3A6 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 19 days 15:38:38 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8A528409F8 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EJN2q6XSp2EZ for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B1128409E9 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:38:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6994C146-013C-4A26-BCBF-E250815D307B@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:38:53 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 3 23:39:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495fe90c82351823421471 > From: Frank van Lindert > > English... pronunciation is > sometimes bizar: no rules at all, I would say I think it was George Bernard Shaw who explained how to spell "fish:" ghoti -- * "gh" as in "enough" * "o" as in the plural "women" * "ti" as in "motion" Speaking of context-free grammar: :::: Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? -- George W. Bush :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 00:15:31 2009 Received: (qmail 7695 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 23:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 23:15:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957C51C40F47 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:15:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E980D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E624634AC018 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:15:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F38134AC016 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:15:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LJFiC-0008GJ-L6 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 00:15:20 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 00:15:13 +0100 Message-ID: <3jrvl41qcam9dbijnf8oqrj39ent0n2s4i@4ax.com> References: <6994C146-013C-4A26-BCBF-E250815D307B@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <6994C146-013C-4A26-BCBF-E250815D307B@Bytesmiths.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 00:15:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ff193256791257536491 Jan, I learned that one in school already (back in the sixties) and it is indeed attributed to Bernard Shaw. But it is being disputed too: http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxwhat04.html In that same link you'll find a nice way to spell potato as "ghoughpteighbteau". And the quote is a good example, not only of context-free grammar, but also of G.W.'s (usual?) grammar-free non-text. He will certainly be remembered as a great stand-up comedian in these parts of the world! Frank. Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:38:53 -0800, Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: Frank van Lindert >> >> English... pronunciation is >> sometimes bizar: no rules at all, I would say > >I think it was George Bernard Shaw who explained how to spell "fish:" > >ghoti -- > >* "gh" as in "enough" >* "o" as in the plural "women" >* "ti" as in "motion" > >Speaking of context-free grammar: > >:::: Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the >big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for >example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage >increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula >that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different >cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal >accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be >-- or closer delivered to that has been promised. Does that make any >sense to you? -- George W. Bush :::: >:::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 00:20:06 2009 Received: (qmail 960 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 23:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 23:20:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54FD1C40F59 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:20:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC96D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC2D19F49A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:20:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B7E19F48C for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:19:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31224 invoked by uid 502); 3 Jan 2009 23:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.171.223) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jan 2009 23:19:57 -0000 Message-ID: <495FF29A.4050309@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:19:54 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB31D84472BB93-22D0-53A@webmailbeta-m10.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB31D84472BB93-22D0-53A@webmailbeta-m10.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] BFTP [was Now that all is white] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 00:20:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ff2a6233081499373980 usher99@aol.com wrote: > Well the first and now second big snow is here as well as the first two > plowing bills. Twelve inches yesterday and another 6 today---turning > to sleet now. The garden seems like a distant memory but here is some > color: > > http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/albums/16727/ > Lovely stuff! I like the shallow DOF on 1 & 4. Less so on 7, where moving the focal plane forward would, I think, look better, and 10, where both moving the plane forward and greater DOF would make it look better to my eye. I'd also try seeing how 7, 8 & 10 look with at least some of the bottom cropped off. The way you nailed the focus on 8, I think it would look great cropped to a horizontal, so the lovely detail is highlighted. I love 4, but I like it even better with some of the tonal detail in the highlights revealed and just a touch of sharpening at display size. 2 and 3 aren't bad at the Zoto display size, but illustrate that back-focus is not solely the province of AF. ;-) Composition is fine, but they are too OOF for me at larger size. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 00:39:48 2009 Received: (qmail 18375 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 23:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 23:39:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E081C40521 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C577D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9C234AC018 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:39:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EBE34AC013 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:39:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16064 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2009 23:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 23:39:36 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <495FA7F3.5070106@interisland.net> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:39:30 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] HNY and its X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 00:39:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ff744209231073733319 I was fuming about that one the other day. It was changed from the "...to boldly go where no man has gone before." in the original Star Trek series to a more PC "...no-one has gone..." but they retained the awful, awful adverbially split infinitive. Did not anyone notice?! I'll bet that someone pointed it out but that a decision was made in some committee tokeep it for reasons of...oh, tradition or something. I don't mind a reasonable split infinitive at all but that one is so clearly, horribly and obviously WRONG! It appears that political correctness trumps good grammar. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/01/2009, at 5:12 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Amen, Mike. But then Americans invented the need to put adverbs > before the verb, leading pretty well directly to the split infinitive, > e.g. to boldly go :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 00:51:03 2009 Received: (qmail 21636 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2009 23:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 23:51:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259E21C40515 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:51:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D92D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB1D34AC018 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:50:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B4A34AC016 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:50:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:50:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17552 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2009 23:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 23:50:54 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090103130857.01122a48@zuik.net> References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> <495ED6BA.4050605@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090103130857.01122a48@zuik.net> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:50:49 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 00:51:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ff9e7145342070262475 That's the summary? Strewth! Where's the conclusion? It's a shame that there are no figures for the 1Ds models, a900 or D700 which would be the comparisons of interest. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/01/2009, at 5:13 AM, WayneS wrote: > For low light sensitive enthusiasts, I found this an interesting site: > http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedetail/ > digital.sensor.performance.summary/ > > The 5DmkII sensor seems to have very low read noise levels. Even > though > the pixel size is smaller than the 5D, it also has lower noise. > Interesting. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 01:04:29 2009 Received: (qmail 14064 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 00:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 00:04:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289961C4050A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BB3D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:04:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49A834AC018 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:04:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11DD34AC013 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:04:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18200 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 00:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 00:04:19 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <495FB6C1.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> <495ED6BA.4050605@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901030958hd732159u72511bfd422cfe40@mail.gmail.com> <495FB6C1.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:04:14 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 01:04:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ffd0c201461470116606 In my experience there is a bit of a surge of professional trade-ins with a new model and you can often pick up a well used pro-used example for a good price as they are happy to trade in for not that much. But if you miss that opportunity, then the second hand price stabilises at a higher point as the amateurs and enthusiasts trade in cleaner examples or a higher price level is established on ebay. That's how I got my first dSLR, a 10D that was coming in over the counter as a trade as I was standing there. The shop was quite happy to let me have it for 5% over what they were paying for it. Often it's a good idea, if you have a good relationship with a store that services the pro trade, to ask them to look out for a good trade in for you. About now would be good for a 5D but you may have missed the boat already. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/01/2009, at 6:04 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I think the 5D will continue to hold good value for a long time to > come. > I think the Mark II has too many megapixels... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 01:05:42 2009 Received: (qmail 13912 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 00:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 00:05:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF571C40F4B for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:05:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E96D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979E534AC016 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:05:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A510A34AC013 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:05:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18287 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 00:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 00:05:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <495E10B0.9080806@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <495E10B0.9080806@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-Id: <4B5AEEA2-0F93-4FED-BBC2-27A72797F096@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:05:28 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 01:05:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ffd56153157927319144 It'll shoot both half and quarter size RAW files - that's rather a nice feature. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/01/2009, at 12:03 AM, Donald wrote: >> Incidentally, the 5D MkII can shoot in RAW mode at half the MP. Vern >> said at one point, "Who really needs 24 MP RAW files? 12 do very >> nicely." No arguments from me! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 01:08:38 2009 Received: (qmail 6782 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 00:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 00:08:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B2B1C40F50 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D80D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C3834AC01F for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:08:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E2434AC016 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:08:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:08:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17551 invoked by uid 502); 4 Jan 2009 00:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.207.36) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 00:08:28 -0000 Message-ID: <495FFDF9.7080708@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:08:25 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <60f983080812301539q368112f8v9ebaad2714b110e6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080812301539q368112f8v9ebaad2714b110e6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 01:08:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 495ffe06204357927319144 Michael Wong wrote: > http://www.fotop.net/MichaelWong/Rollei35sBW > > Although it's not very good, the first step is successful ^_^ > Michael Wong wrote: > I missed the info from the website (http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html ) & it recommends 9 mins developing time for Lucky 100 by TMAX developer. I made it less 2 mins, maybe it caused to low contrast :-( > It's been something like 40 years since I developed a roll of B&W, so I have no idea what the short development time would do. But it's only been a couple of weeks since I scanned some B&W film. It's impossible to tell from here how much of the results is from film/development and how much from scanner, scanning software and operator settings. Using IMG3605 as an example, overall contrast is fine, in the sense that neither highlight or shadow detail is lost at the ends of the histogram. However, the image overall looks flat and lifeless, especially for a subject so busy and full of life. As I see it, the problem is at least partially in local contrast and sharpness, with lesser problems of tonal distribution. Although this is a film image originally, I am seeing it as a digital capture, since it was scanned. Possibly as a result of the development, local contrast, tonal differentiation at the edges between areas of different tonal value, is very low. Also, detail actually captured by lens and film is lost in the digital process. ALL digitally captured images need sharpening if one wishes to see all the detail. It's nothing to do with the source or the nominal resolution of the sensor/scanner, but with the nature of scanning of an analog image with a fixed grid. I've tried to explain the reason in clear, simple terms on Zone-10. Here are a couple of versions of how I think the image "should" look. I first applied noise reduction, mostly so that LCE and sharpening wouldn't accentuate the grain. Then I applied LCE, Curves and Sharpening. I also did use masks, so those tools were applied in different amounts to different parts of the image. It may well be that the right film/developer combination will get you negs that will print perfectly with the right paper and darkroom technique. You will still need LCE and/or sharpening to get a similar effect on the web for scanned images. All the above assumes a desire for the kind of result I linked to. There may well be others for whom the soft, almost dreamy quality af the image as-is will be preferable. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 01:38:01 2009 Received: (qmail 6063 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 00:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 00:37:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE921C40F48 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:37:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB0FD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A435319F689 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:37:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B82519F673 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:37:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21800 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 00:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 00:37:51 -0000 Message-ID: <496004DE.6070303@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:37:50 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <60f983080812301539q368112f8v9ebaad2714b110e6@mail.gmail.com> <495FFDF9.7080708@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <495FFDF9.7080708@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-1, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 01:38:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496004e9258321838542571 My preferred version would be somewhere in between. The folks on the ground are in definite need of sharpening and your revised (1st level) suits them well. But I found the treatment on the buildings to be a bit overpowering and changed my sense of what the image was about. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Here are a couple of versions of how I think the image "should" look. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 02:16:40 2009 Received: (qmail 2965 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 01:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 01:16:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5191C40F5D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:16:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB99DD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C733634AC013 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:16:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D548A34AC01F for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:16:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2684 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 01:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 01:16:32 -0000 Message-ID: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:16:32 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-1, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 02:16:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49600df7319251023412894 ... in the auditorium that is. Some of you may recall this series of shots from my grandaughters' dance recital in 2007. There was a similar recital in 2008 but I didn't like any of the shots and hadn't processed them at all. Actually, "didn't like them" is a serious understatement. Motion blur was everywhere due to low light levels and very slow shutter speeds. Finally my oldest granddaughter bugged me to prepare some 33 images for her where she either appeared in them or she liked them for other reasons. Those can be seen here: In going through them I became even more painfully aware of the difference in light level between the two events but couldn't figure out why it should be. In 2007 I had set the camera at ISO 3200, shutter speed at 1/160 (for a 28-80/2.8 lens) and ended up shooting most images at from f/4 to f/5.6. In 2008 I tried the same thing but quickly found that I couldn't maintain 1/160 shutter speed. I was shooting at either f/2.8 or f/3.2 and at 1/80 or 1/60 second or even much slower. With fast moving dancers it was very difficult. I found myself trying to anticipate when the dancers would be be coming to a halt in order to reverse direction but not always very successful at all. Finally I extracted the EXIF data from all the photos from both years. I averaged the shutter speeds and apertures from all the images and found that there was approximately 1-2/3 stops difference between them. I also noticed that in the 2008 series that I had (very soon in the shooting) accidentally set a -1/3 stop exposure compensation level by brushing that silly big dial on the back of the Canyons because I hadn't locked the settings. The next question was: Why would there be such a great difference in illumination level? Certainly the light level varies from scene to scene on the stage but for the overall performance to have much dimmer stage lighting didn't seem to make sense. I queried Dr. Flash on the subject who reminded me that all light (not just flash light) falls off in proportion to the square of the distance. "I know", says me "but I'm pretty sure I was sitting about where I was the previous year". "Prove it" he says. I asked my wife where she thought we were sitting in 2008 relative to 2007. "I think maybe 3 rows further back" she says. That squared with my impressions as well. So I dragged out a couple images from both years, both shot at 80mm and compared the image height of people at center stage. Knowing their approximate height allowed me to estimate that the center of the stage in 2007 was about 40 feet away from us. But the center of the stage in 2008 was about 65 feet away. Well, that was a big surprise. 25 feet was a lot more than 3 rows back. In fact, that's about 1-1/3 stops. Close enough to tell me that my gross estimates of exposure and distance were close enough to explain the cause of the problem. So, when you take your camera into the auditorium sit as close as you can to the stage. Just like flash, seemingly small changes in distance can have a major effect on the amount of light you have to work with. In my case it went from pretty good to awful by moving back 25 feet. Chuck Norcutt (with assistance from Dr. Flash) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 02:34:58 2009 Received: (qmail 6542 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 01:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 01:34:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F295A1C40F5E for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:34:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34790D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:34:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FD034AC021 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:34:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3224C34AC01F for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:34:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KCX00LFDB24ZPE0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:34:52 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-30.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.30]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:24:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:34:50 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <811094E75E434E6492BA7D5CED0AE8AC@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al4OAJugX0kY3tge/2dsb2JhbACBZYgwvzwGhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,324,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="437521529" References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <495E10B0.9080806@blueyonder.co.uk> <4B5AEEA2-0F93-4FED-BBC2-27A72797F096@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 02:34:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49601242310291023412894 I have noticed that there has been no apology from Mr Fildes for his mail bombing of members' mail boxes immediately before he departed the list for his knee surgery. My mail box was bombed with scores and scores of his email messages. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII > It'll shoot both half and quarter size RAW files - that's rather a > nice feature. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 03/01/2009, at 12:03 AM, Donald wrote: > >>> Incidentally, the 5D MkII can shoot in RAW mode at half the MP. Vern >>> said at one point, "Who really needs 24 MP RAW files? 12 do very >>> nicely." No arguments from me! > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 02:40:40 2009 Received: (qmail 2489 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 01:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 01:40:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B6D1C403AD for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D6BD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9113F19F7E2 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:40:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1186B19F7CE for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:40:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.240]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so6667232rvb.50 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.177.2 with SMTP id e2mr8628042rvp.53.1231033232599; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.149? ([216.39.145.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm48088941rvb.6.2009.01.03.17.40.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:40:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <769E6841-F5EF-477F-9C68-E4E6B423753A@gmail.com> From: Rob Harrison To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901030958hd732159u72511bfd422cfe40@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:40:12 -0800 References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> <495ED6BA.4050605@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901030958hd732159u72511bfd422cfe40@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] The Usual Deliberations (Six Months with a 520) WAS My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 02:40:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960139859251035110158 I'm pondering my next move. The thing I miss most from my OMs with the 520 is the dramatically shallow depth of field possible with fast primes such as my beloved 85/2 and 50/1.2. After six months with the 520, I'm not getting that. (Except when I fit the 50/1.2 to it!) Also missing the 'decisive moment' more often than I'd like. Maybe I just don't have the AF set up properly. I have it on "S-AF." Sometimes I just don't feel like carrying the 520 around, and it doesn't easily fit in my briefcase. I think I may need four or five cameras instead. :-) 1) Architecture and family portraits: Either a 5D to use with my Zuikos and a 50/1.4 and 24-105 IS AF lenses OR a D700 with the new 24 shift and a couple other AF lenses. 2) Motorcycle trips and generally carrying around in the briefcase: G10 (weather-sealed!) 3) Pocket and low-light: F100fd (to replace my lost F31fd) 4 & 5) Pure photography as well as architecture and family portraits: My trusty OM-1n and the Holga. The Oly 1030SW is intriguing as well. Rob in Seattle On Jan 3, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > In the meantime, let a kajillion flowers bloom. My close encounter > with the 5D MkII doesn't lessen my attachment to the E-system, much as > it delights me to see our relative's enjoyment of it. If I get some > sort of 5D someday, I hope to exploit your experiences with the > third-party lenses. :) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 02:43:32 2009 Received: (qmail 2382 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 01:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 01:43:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6291C40F5D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306B5D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F75819F7E6 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:43:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A8D19F802 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:43:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KCX00LPWBGDZZE0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:43:25 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-30.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.30]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:33:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:43:24 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <7EE3AB56C6054E3AB01DD207D0C97FE2@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al4OAP6iX0kY3tge/2dsb2JhbACBZogwvzwGhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,324,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="437523742" References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 02:43:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49601444187431946193717 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus mail list" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: [OM] Be careful where you sit... > ... in the auditorium that is. Some of you may recall this series of > shots from my grandaughters' dance recital in 2007. > Chuck ............. these are wonderful photographs. I daresay that a critic might say that some are too grainy, some are a tad out of focus, some have inaccurate lighting, some are not properly composed, etc, etc. As a package of images, who cares about any blemishes if in fact there are any blemishes. If they were my photos they would be printed large and be in the family album. A very happy memory indeed. jh ps: I'll be getting to next offerings right away ! > > There was a similar recital in 2008 but I didn't like any of the shots > and hadn't processed them at all. Actually, "didn't like them" is a > serious understatement. Motion blur was everywhere due to low light > levels and very slow shutter speeds. Finally my oldest granddaughter > bugged me to prepare some 33 images for her where she either appeared in > them or she liked them for other reasons. Those can be seen here: > > > In going through them I became even more painfully aware of the > difference in light level between the two events but couldn't figure out > why it should be. In 2007 I had set the camera at ISO 3200, shutter > speed at 1/160 (for a 28-80/2.8 lens) and ended up shooting most images > at from f/4 to f/5.6. In 2008 I tried the same thing but quickly found > that I couldn't maintain 1/160 shutter speed. I was shooting at either > f/2.8 or f/3.2 and at 1/80 or 1/60 second or even much slower. With > fast moving dancers it was very difficult. I found myself trying to > anticipate when the dancers would be be coming to a halt in order to > reverse direction but not always very successful at all. > > Finally I extracted the EXIF data from all the photos from both years. > I averaged the shutter speeds and apertures from all the images and > found that there was approximately 1-2/3 stops difference between them. > I also noticed that in the 2008 series that I had (very soon in the > shooting) accidentally set a -1/3 stop exposure compensation level by > brushing that silly big dial on the back of the Canyons because I hadn't > locked the settings. > > The next question was: Why would there be such a great difference in > illumination level? Certainly the light level varies from scene to > scene on the stage but for the overall performance to have much dimmer > stage lighting didn't seem to make sense. I queried Dr. Flash on the > subject who reminded me that all light (not just flash light) falls off > in proportion to the square of the distance. "I know", says me "but I'm > pretty sure I was sitting about where I was the previous year". "Prove > it" he says. > > I asked my wife where she thought we were sitting in 2008 relative to > 2007. "I think maybe 3 rows further back" she says. That squared with > my impressions as well. So I dragged out a couple images from both > years, both shot at 80mm and compared the image height of people at > center stage. Knowing their approximate height allowed me to estimate > that the center of the stage in 2007 was about 40 feet away from us. > But the center of the stage in 2008 was about 65 feet away. Well, that > was a big surprise. 25 feet was a lot more than 3 rows back. In fact, > that's about 1-1/3 stops. Close enough to tell me that my gross > estimates of exposure and distance were close enough to explain the > cause of the problem. > > So, when you take your camera into the auditorium sit as close as you > can to the stage. Just like flash, seemingly small changes in distance > can have a major effect on the amount of light you have to work with. > In my case it went from pretty good to awful by moving back 25 feet. > > Chuck Norcutt > (with assistance from Dr. Flash) > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 02:45:54 2009 Received: (qmail 12333 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 01:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 01:45:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45351C40F37 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB42D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:45:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B0319F80B for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:45:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D534419F7E6 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:45:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:45:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KCX00LWZBKBZPE0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:45:47 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-30.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.30]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:24:34 -0400 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:45:46 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <9F482C0D2D3F46BFB8DFCDE9826C58B4@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al4OAB+kX0kY3tge/2dsb2JhbACBZIgwv0EGhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,324,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="387862587" References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 02:45:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496014d2214917927319144 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus mail list" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: [OM] Be careful where you sit... > ... in the auditorium that is. Some of you may recall this series of > shots from my grandaughters' dance recital in 2007. > > > There was a similar recital in 2008 but I didn't like any of the shots > and hadn't processed them at all. Actually, "didn't like them" is a > serious understatement. Motion blur was everywhere due to low light > levels and very slow shutter speeds. Finally my oldest granddaughter > bugged me to prepare some 33 images for her where she either appeared in > them or she liked them for other reasons. Those can be seen here: > Wow ! jh > > In going through them I became even more painfully aware of the > difference in light level between the two events but couldn't figure out > why it should be. In 2007 I had set the camera at ISO 3200, shutter > speed at 1/160 (for a 28-80/2.8 lens) and ended up shooting most images > at from f/4 to f/5.6. In 2008 I tried the same thing but quickly found > that I couldn't maintain 1/160 shutter speed. I was shooting at either > f/2.8 or f/3.2 and at 1/80 or 1/60 second or even much slower. With > fast moving dancers it was very difficult. I found myself trying to > anticipate when the dancers would be be coming to a halt in order to > reverse direction but not always very successful at all. > > Finally I extracted the EXIF data from all the photos from both years. > I averaged the shutter speeds and apertures from all the images and > found that there was approximately 1-2/3 stops difference between them. > I also noticed that in the 2008 series that I had (very soon in the > shooting) accidentally set a -1/3 stop exposure compensation level by > brushing that silly big dial on the back of the Canyons because I hadn't > locked the settings. > > The next question was: Why would there be such a great difference in > illumination level? Certainly the light level varies from scene to > scene on the stage but for the overall performance to have much dimmer > stage lighting didn't seem to make sense. I queried Dr. Flash on the > subject who reminded me that all light (not just flash light) falls off > in proportion to the square of the distance. "I know", says me "but I'm > pretty sure I was sitting about where I was the previous year". "Prove > it" he says. > > I asked my wife where she thought we were sitting in 2008 relative to > 2007. "I think maybe 3 rows further back" she says. That squared with > my impressions as well. So I dragged out a couple images from both > years, both shot at 80mm and compared the image height of people at > center stage. Knowing their approximate height allowed me to estimate > that the center of the stage in 2007 was about 40 feet away from us. > But the center of the stage in 2008 was about 65 feet away. Well, that > was a big surprise. 25 feet was a lot more than 3 rows back. In fact, > that's about 1-1/3 stops. Close enough to tell me that my gross > estimates of exposure and distance were close enough to explain the > cause of the problem. > > So, when you take your camera into the auditorium sit as close as you > can to the stage. Just like flash, seemingly small changes in distance > can have a major effect on the amount of light you have to work with. > In my case it went from pretty good to awful by moving back 25 feet. > > Chuck Norcutt > (with assistance from Dr. Flash) > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 03:10:20 2009 Received: (qmail 9083 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 02:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 02:10:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285181C40300 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C76D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D9819F891 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:10:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B4319F87E for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:10:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 9 days 00:37:24 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-171.ctimail.com [61.93.57.171]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n042A8aq032061 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:10:09 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n042A8RS007619 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:10:08 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:10:06 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 03:10:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49601a8c290861234514069 Sorry, I don't understand, if you have not use flash, your shooting positing should not affect the exposure value. The only posssibility is the stage lighting has power reduced. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > ... in the auditorium that is. Some of you may recall this series of > shots from my grandaughters' dance recital in 2007. > > > There was a similar recital in 2008 but I didn't like any of the shots > and hadn't processed them at all. Actually, "didn't like them" is a > serious understatement. Motion blur was everywhere due to low light > levels and very slow shutter speeds. Finally my oldest granddaughter > bugged me to prepare some 33 images for her where she either appeared in > them or she liked them for other reasons. Those can be seen here: > > > In going through them I became even more painfully aware of the > difference in light level between the two events but couldn't figure out > why it should be. In 2007 I had set the camera at ISO 3200, shutter > speed at 1/160 (for a 28-80/2.8 lens) and ended up shooting most images > at from f/4 to f/5.6. In 2008 I tried the same thing but quickly found > that I couldn't maintain 1/160 shutter speed. I was shooting at either > f/2.8 or f/3.2 and at 1/80 or 1/60 second or even much slower. With > fast moving dancers it was very difficult. I found myself trying to > anticipate when the dancers would be be coming to a halt in order to > reverse direction but not always very successful at all. > > Finally I extracted the EXIF data from all the photos from both years. > I averaged the shutter speeds and apertures from all the images and > found that there was approximately 1-2/3 stops difference between them. > I also noticed that in the 2008 series that I had (very soon in the > shooting) accidentally set a -1/3 stop exposure compensation level by > brushing that silly big dial on the back of the Canyons because I hadn't > locked the settings. > > The next question was: Why would there be such a great difference in > illumination level? Certainly the light level varies from scene to > scene on the stage but for the overall performance to have much dimmer > stage lighting didn't seem to make sense. I queried Dr. Flash on the > subject who reminded me that all light (not just flash light) falls off > in proportion to the square of the distance. "I know", says me "but I'm > pretty sure I was sitting about where I was the previous year". "Prove > it" he says. > > I asked my wife where she thought we were sitting in 2008 relative to > 2007. "I think maybe 3 rows further back" she says. That squared with > my impressions as well. So I dragged out a couple images from both > years, both shot at 80mm and compared the image height of people at > center stage. Knowing their approximate height allowed me to estimate > that the center of the stage in 2007 was about 40 feet away from us. > But the center of the stage in 2008 was about 65 feet away. Well, that > was a big surprise. 25 feet was a lot more than 3 rows back. In fact, > that's about 1-1/3 stops. Close enough to tell me that my gross > estimates of exposure and distance were close enough to explain the > cause of the problem. > > So, when you take your camera into the auditorium sit as close as you > can to the stage. Just like flash, seemingly small changes in distance > can have a major effect on the amount of light you have to work with. > In my case it went from pretty good to awful by moving back 25 feet. > > Chuck Norcutt > (with assistance from Dr. Flash) > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 03:13:23 2009 Received: (qmail 22358 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 02:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 02:13:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580871C40F3B for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:13:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9285FD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFCB1CD481 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:13:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51B519F87E for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:13:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 9 days 00:40:29 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-143.ctimail.com [61.93.57.143]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:13:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n042DGfq032265 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:13:16 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n042DGj1007815 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:13:16 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <3B5BF878F7324210BE4A3B68151F0555@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> <495ED6BA.4050605@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com><9e908c1f0901030958hd732159u72511bfd422cfe40@mail.gmail.com> <495FB6C1.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:13:14 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 03:13:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49601b4382698512572685 Depends on what you expect to be a good value, the used 5D here is around $1100, lots of people are selling it for the Mark II. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" >I think the 5D will continue to hold good value for a long time to come. > I think the Mark II has too many megapixels... not just from a noise > standpoint but from a lens standpoint. If your lens can resolve that > many pixels at all it's at a restricted aperture like f/5.6 or f/8. And > even then it's very unlikely to extend very far into the corners. > > Canon is certainly consistent with the interface. The large "quick > control dial" on the back of the camera (that I dislike) dates back at > least as far as the EOS-1N film body of 1994. Long time Canon shooters > would likely be very upset if the design changed. > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 03:41:10 2009 Received: (qmail 1835 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 02:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 02:41:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165811C40F42 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC12CD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:41:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58F834AC021 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:41:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.432 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.432 required=7 tests=[DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=2.431, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3352134AC01F for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:41:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090104024103.MFKB3950.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:41:03 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id zEh11a00K4Z9Gks02Eh2oW; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:41:02 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yf8UbZdTWAMA:10 a=1TvdHZirfhEA:10 a=pVnnZvzfAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=TWXHHkv8-vVMlvWmYkMA:9 a=X0LEmiTu0nEUJMTfqs4A:7 a=OPBWm3a8ejpBwuXCgnxLHf52lwIA:4 a=cV_txSFEY4IA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=6-x43y6uxGMA:10 a=klgjDqR1AZUVron9s2tf/3i+8pI=:19 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com><4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net><495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com><85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net><9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com><495ED6BA.4050605@chucknorcutt.com><9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20090103130857.01122a48@zuik.net><495FCEC6.6010904@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090103162528.01133fd0@zuik.net> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:41:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 03:41:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496021c6250211234514069 Not that I'm not interested in a D3x, but I've gotten good results at large sizes with the puny D3 12MP. Don't know what the extra 12 would get me. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "WayneS" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII >I myself would rather see less pixels and better noise performance. > Going from 5D to 5Dmk2 pixel dimensions go from 8.2u to 6.4u, > and is not too much change. Still, I doubt I ever shoot better than > 8mp most of the time. There just aren't that many slow moving > flat things to photograph, except perhaps the horizon. So the > 5Dmk2 out resolves me most of the time. > > I found figure 9, on Apparant Image Quality, to be interesting. > Especially the difference between FF and 4/3rds and smaller > sensor sizes. > > WayneS > > At 03:47 PM 1/3/2009, Chuck wrote: >>I may have to change my mind about 5D Mark II noise but the pixel >>density still outresolves a lot of lenses. But that's doubly true for >>an E3. >> >>Chuck Norcutt >> >>WayneS wrote: >>> For low light sensitive enthusiasts, I found this an interesting site: >>> http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedetail/digital.sensor.performance.summary/ >>> >>> The 5DmkII sensor seems to have very low read noise levels. Even though >>> the pixel size is smaller than the 5D, it also has lower noise. >>> Interesting. > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 1/3/2009 2:14 PM -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 04:49:13 2009 Received: (qmail 4280 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 03:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 03:49:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937A71C40F3B for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEFAD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675D934AC009 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:49:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9B534AC002 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:49:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21826 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 03:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 03:49:03 -0000 Message-ID: <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:49:02 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> In-Reply-To: <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-1, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 04:49:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496031b975321499373980 Are you sure? I'm not. Try measuring a light in your house with your light meter. First from 1 meter, then from 1.4 meters, then from 2 meters. Bet you find a 1 stop drop in each measurement. Dr. Incandescent C.H.Ling wrote: > Sorry, I don't understand, if you have not use flash, your shooting positing > should not affect the exposure value. The only posssibility is the stage > lighting has power reduced. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> ... in the auditorium that is. Some of you may recall this series of >> shots from my grandaughters' dance recital in 2007. >> >> >> There was a similar recital in 2008 but I didn't like any of the shots >> and hadn't processed them at all. Actually, "didn't like them" is a >> serious understatement. Motion blur was everywhere due to low light >> levels and very slow shutter speeds. Finally my oldest granddaughter >> bugged me to prepare some 33 images for her where she either appeared in >> them or she liked them for other reasons. Those can be seen here: >> >> >> In going through them I became even more painfully aware of the >> difference in light level between the two events but couldn't figure out >> why it should be. In 2007 I had set the camera at ISO 3200, shutter >> speed at 1/160 (for a 28-80/2.8 lens) and ended up shooting most images >> at from f/4 to f/5.6. In 2008 I tried the same thing but quickly found >> that I couldn't maintain 1/160 shutter speed. I was shooting at either >> f/2.8 or f/3.2 and at 1/80 or 1/60 second or even much slower. With >> fast moving dancers it was very difficult. I found myself trying to >> anticipate when the dancers would be be coming to a halt in order to >> reverse direction but not always very successful at all. >> >> Finally I extracted the EXIF data from all the photos from both years. >> I averaged the shutter speeds and apertures from all the images and >> found that there was approximately 1-2/3 stops difference between them. >> I also noticed that in the 2008 series that I had (very soon in the >> shooting) accidentally set a -1/3 stop exposure compensation level by >> brushing that silly big dial on the back of the Canyons because I hadn't >> locked the settings. >> >> The next question was: Why would there be such a great difference in >> illumination level? Certainly the light level varies from scene to >> scene on the stage but for the overall performance to have much dimmer >> stage lighting didn't seem to make sense. I queried Dr. Flash on the >> subject who reminded me that all light (not just flash light) falls off >> in proportion to the square of the distance. "I know", says me "but I'm >> pretty sure I was sitting about where I was the previous year". "Prove >> it" he says. >> >> I asked my wife where she thought we were sitting in 2008 relative to >> 2007. "I think maybe 3 rows further back" she says. That squared with >> my impressions as well. So I dragged out a couple images from both >> years, both shot at 80mm and compared the image height of people at >> center stage. Knowing their approximate height allowed me to estimate >> that the center of the stage in 2007 was about 40 feet away from us. >> But the center of the stage in 2008 was about 65 feet away. Well, that >> was a big surprise. 25 feet was a lot more than 3 rows back. In fact, >> that's about 1-1/3 stops. Close enough to tell me that my gross >> estimates of exposure and distance were close enough to explain the >> cause of the problem. >> >> So, when you take your camera into the auditorium sit as close as you >> can to the stage. Just like flash, seemingly small changes in distance >> can have a major effect on the amount of light you have to work with. >> In my case it went from pretty good to awful by moving back 25 feet. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> (with assistance from Dr. Flash) >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 05:51:44 2009 Received: (qmail 18578 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 04:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 04:51:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA471C40509 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4281CD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2444B1CD483 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:51:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5011CD481 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:51:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so5094820tia.10 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.31.5 with SMTP id e5mr7955481tie.6.1231044697081; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-143-249.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.143.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm11956366tim.10.2009.01.03.20.51.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:51:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49604050.8030605@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:51:28 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 05:51:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49604060167431993019900 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Are you sure? I'm not. Assuming you are metering the same spot, yes it *should* be the same exposure (air-filtration aside) regardless of distance. Exponential decrease of exposure with distance would play hell with landscape and wildlife photography, and "Sunny 16/11" wouldn't work so well with the moon. By which I mean to say, I think there are likely confused assumptions or expectations behind the discussion. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 06:52:39 2009 Received: (qmail 9061 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 05:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 05:52:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB641C40F5D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A01D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790DA34AC00D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:52:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7FA34AC00E for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:52:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6-qfe0.srvr.bell.ca [206.47.199.164]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.89]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090104055226.JJWR1652.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 00:52:26 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlcBABfZX0lMRyyV/2dsb2JhbAAIyVKFcg Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279732885.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.44.149]) by simip10-ac.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 04 Jan 2009 00:49:07 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 00:52:24 -0500 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII Thread-Index: AcluMJ2y3FJ08tojEd2LAAAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <811094E75E434E6492BA7D5CED0AE8AC@hudson> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 06:52:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49604ea7200371035110158 I think Wayne H. conveyed his apologies at the time. On 1/3/09 8:34 PM, "John Hudson" wrote: > I have noticed that there has been no apology from Mr Fildes for his mail > bombing of members' mail boxes immediately before he departed the list for > his knee surgery. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 07:03:45 2009 Received: (qmail 31754 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 06:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 06:03:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB921C407E0 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0DBD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:03:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60B234AC00F for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:03:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.572 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.572 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.572, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DE034AC00D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:03:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11609 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 06:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 06:03:34 -0000 In-Reply-To: <811094E75E434E6492BA7D5CED0AE8AC@hudson> References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <495E10B0.9080806@blueyonder.co.uk> <4B5AEEA2-0F93-4FED-BBC2-27A72797F096@people.net.au> <811094E75E434E6492BA7D5CED0AE8AC@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:03:28 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 07:03:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49605141233841744846740 I believe that I did apologise profusely at the time. I was struggling to persuade a ridiculously complex bit of software to do one simple thing while trying to understand utterly inadequate instructions. I pressed one wrong button. I would have apologised personally at the time but I received a rather terse message from you that I was now filtered out of your incoming - so there seemed little point in talking to someone out of earshot. As someone has said, I asked Wayne H. to do that for me and I believe that he did. I'm sorry that it's still bothering you. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/01/2009, at 12:34 PM, John Hudson wrote: > I have noticed that there has been no apology from Mr Fildes for > his mail > bombing of members' mail boxes immediately before he departed the > list for > his knee surgery. My mail box was bombed with scores and scores of > his email > messages. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 07:20:40 2009 Received: (qmail 4871 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 06:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 06:20:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0561C40F5F for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDC5D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047EC34AC00E for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:20:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D1234AC00D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:20:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n046Jo5u000886 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:20:29 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:19:51 +1100 Message-ID: <6D2A146C36F44B1D80C91103CBC303F7@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> Thread-Index: AcluChlN0wvmvQUOTB6+QljSFpoWogAKfT0g Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 07:20:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49605538302951946193717 > Finally my oldest granddaughter > bugged me to prepare some 33 images for her where she either > appeared in > them or she liked them for other reasons. Those can be seen > here: > They may not be technically excellent, however they give a great feel for the event. What did you do about white balance ? ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 07:28:40 2009 Received: (qmail 8814 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 06:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 06:28:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46801C40F58 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C7FD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4207A1CD482 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:28:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD3E1CD481 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:28:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n046RgKe001554 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:28:30 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:27:44 +1100 Message-ID: <7FD6044DF9264247B636E4AC132BCB2C@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> Thread-Index: AcluEZkq7CHHcE3vSq2ClY5m4cl7XwAIwB0g Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 07:28:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49605718201822046811720 > > Sorry, I don't understand, if you have not use flash, your > shooting positing > should not affect the exposure value. The only posssibility > is the stage > lighting has power reduced. > That's what I would think too ! I just did a quick test metering an evenly lit wall in my study and the meter reading didn't change between .5m and 3m - it has to be a change in the lighting since 2007. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 07:32:27 2009 Received: (qmail 4437 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 06:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 06:32:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE131C40F42 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01144D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E462B1CD483 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:32:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2039A1CD481 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:32:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.193]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:32:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n046W9bx029038 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:32:19 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:32:11 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> Thread-Index: AcluH2e5yYkaqGmpQS69j+RjgQvfvgAFk3uw Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 07:32:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496057fb294611023412894 > > Are you sure? I'm not. Try measuring a light in your house > with your > light meter. First from 1 meter, then from 1.4 meters, then from 2 > meters. Bet you find a 1 stop drop in each measurement. > Different situation, the inverse square law will hold for a point source, or close to point source, like a light bulb at a reasonable distance, that is not what you were photographing. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 07:42:05 2009 Received: (qmail 18740 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 06:42:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 06:42:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68F71C40302 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0A9D0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:41:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9C51CD481 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:41:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF8E1CD482 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:41:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:41:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [77.208.85.59] (port=49472) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1LJMgB-0007PP-6z (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:41:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , LEG , Olympus Camera Discussion Message-Id: <9A7E7645-9C66-49AC-AB09-E8FAB2FB5A76@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:41:37 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 03/01/2009: flare, what flare? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 07:42:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49605a3d38243675314703 When I woke up yesterday morning and looked out the window, I saw white. Not much, but nice to finally have some reward for enduring sub-freezing temperatures since arriving in Poland before Christmas. I went for my usual morning walk along the river: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#448363535_mpHEh-O-LB This is the kind of image where one is usually cautioned against flare. But with a new Leica M lens, I spit on flare. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 08:27:37 2009 Received: (qmail 17989 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 07:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 07:27:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36E21C40F58 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 23:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4410BD0404A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 23:27:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D421CD482 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 23:27:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043C41CD481 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 23:27:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 23:27:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22300 invoked by uid 502); 4 Jan 2009 07:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.171.3) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 07:27:24 -0000 Message-ID: <496064D7.1040507@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:27:19 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9A7E7645-9C66-49AC-AB09-E8FAB2FB5A76@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <9A7E7645-9C66-49AC-AB09-E8FAB2FB5A76@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 03/01/2009: flare, what flare? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 08:27:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496064e9273371529615919 Nathan wrote: > When I woke up yesterday morning and looked out the window, I saw white. Not much, but nice to finally have some reward for enduring sub-freezing temperatures since arriving in Poland before Christmas. I went for my usual morning walk along the river: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#448363535_mpHEh-O-LB > > Nice. The multiple star pattern is particularly interesting. I suppose there was a branch or some such thing across the sun, creating a double source for the non-flare - well nicely controlled, anyway. :-) > This is the kind of image where one is usually cautioned against flare. But with a new Leica M lens, I spit on flare. > Is there a sizzle when it hits? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 11:44:16 2009 Received: (qmail 3881 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 10:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 10:44:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99EBE4301AB for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 02:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB201440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 02:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8965B19E069 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 02:44:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AC619E034 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 02:44:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 02:44:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [77.208.85.59] (port=50158) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1LJQSb-0006au-8S (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:44:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Leica Users Group , LEG , Picture a Day discussion group , Olympus Camera Discussion Message-Id: <297351ED-67ED-4334-8C83-5247F70C31CD@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:43:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] =?utf-8?q?IMG=3A_New_Year=27s_Eve_=28and_the_morning_after?= =?utf-8?q?=29_in_Wroc=C5=82aw?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 11:44:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49609300214481838542571 A collection of 18 images from 31 December and 1 January: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6973451_bVnQY#448397981_uSGfM As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 12:35:28 2009 Received: (qmail 31159 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 11:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 11:35:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4C84301E6 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2B3440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF7834AC009 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:35:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370A734AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:35:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.152]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so2347158yxi.80 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.157.1 with SMTP id j1mr822851ybo.94.1231068922443; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.230.11 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:35:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:35:22 +0000 From: "Ian Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 12:35:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49609f00285551823421471 2009/1/4 Chuck Norcutt : > Are you sure? I'm not. Try measuring a light in your house with your > light meter. First from 1 meter, then from 1.4 meters, then from 2 > meters. Bet you find a 1 stop drop in each measurement. Yes, but that's changing the light-subject distance, not the subject-camera distance. Put a piece of paper 1 meter away from a lamp shining onto it and take spot readings from the paper at 1, 1.4 and 2 meters. They should be the same, no? You'd use the same aperture to photograph that piece of paper from each of those distances with a manual flash, wouldn't you? -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 12:53:59 2009 Received: (qmail 29626 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 11:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 11:53:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660184300D7 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F75440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C183019E20E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:53:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E10019E1FD for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:53:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zPs01a0040x6nqcA4PtsM5; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:53:52 +0000 Received: from miraclenay7zrg ([71.231.210.19]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zPtr1a0020Rflnr8YPtr1l; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:53:51 +0000 Message-ID: <081601c96e63$188d7070$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> From: "William Sommerwerck" To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:53:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 12:53:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960a357207945368819438 "When I bought OM in the '70s it was because it was smaller, lighter and cheaper. It seems that Olympus has lost its way on small, light and cheap." Smaller and lighter, definitely. But hardly cheaper. Zuikos were quite expenisve. And the dealer got only a 35% discount. * The Olympus ads for the Four-Thirds SLRs (I own an E-500) are comical. Even the smallest is substantially larger than a (motor-driveless) OM, and the lenses are (by comparison) positively Brobdingnagian. "I myself would rather see less pixels and better noise performance." The 5D mk II apparently offers both. Noise is not determined solely by pixel area. I'm wondering when sensor design will eventually bump into the laws of physics, and no further meaningful improvement will be possible. A comment about English grammar... The principal difference, as I see it, is that English is nowhere nearly as inflected a language as most others. For example, in some languages (such as German) you can say what, in English, would be "The fish ate the woman", but the declensions indicate that it is actually the woman doing the eating. There is simply less one has to learn about how an English sentence is to be constructed. * At that time, Olympus was imported by Ponder & Best -- I think. If so, there would have been additional discounts for quantity purchases. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 13:53:26 2009 Received: (qmail 3232 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 12:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 12:53:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B1843017C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 04:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF97440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 04:53:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3F119E395 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 04:53:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D51C19E353 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 04:53:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 04:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2441 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 12:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 12:53:15 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090104074957.0111c448@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:53:10 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <811094E75E434E6492BA7D5CED0AE8AC@hudson> References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <495E10B0.9080806@blueyonder.co.uk> <4B5AEEA2-0F93-4FED-BBC2-27A72797F096@people.net.au> <811094E75E434E6492BA7D5CED0AE8AC@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 13:53:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960b146151818512572685 I recall there were apologies sent. Life is imperfect. A mistake was made. I'm sure Mr Fildes had a lot on his mind at the time. Wayne At 08:34 PM 1/3/2009, John Hudson wrote: >I have noticed that there has been no apology from Mr Fildes for his mail >bombing of members' mail boxes immediately before he departed the list for >his knee surgery. My mail box was bombed with scores and scores of his email >messages. > >jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 14:10:02 2009 Received: (qmail 14071 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 13:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 13:10:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01128430210 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:09:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E81A440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7DE3610001 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:09:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C8D34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:09:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.240]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so6798119rvb.50 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.79.12 with SMTP id g12mr9830354rvl.226.1231074591339; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:09:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.186.5 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:09:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <60f983080901040509h159bf95fv9a14a3c1ba5ffc47@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:09:51 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <495FFDF9.7080708@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <60f983080812301539q368112f8v9ebaad2714b110e6@mail.gmail.com> <495FFDF9.7080708@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d12752809b4f329e Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 14:10:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960b52a31789117217770 Moose, Thanks for your comment. What is LCE? Is it included in PS? Thanks. --- Michael 2009/1/4 Moose > Michael Wong wrote: > > http://www.fotop.net/MichaelWong/Rollei35sBW > > > > Although it's not very good, the first step is successful ^_^ > > > Michael Wong wrote: > > I missed the info from the website ( > http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html ) & it recommends 9 mins > developing time for Lucky 100 by TMAX developer. I made it less 2 mins, > maybe it caused to low contrast :-( > > > > It's been something like 40 years since I developed a roll of B&W, so I > have no idea what the short development time would do. > > But it's only been a couple of weeks since I scanned some B&W film. It's > impossible to tell from here how much of the results is from > film/development and how much from scanner, scanning software and > operator settings. > > Using IMG3605 as an example, overall contrast is fine, in the sense that > neither highlight or shadow detail is lost at the ends of the histogram. > However, the image overall looks flat and lifeless, especially for a > subject so busy and full of life. As I see it, the problem is at least > partially in local contrast and sharpness, with lesser problems of tonal > distribution. > > Although this is a film image originally, I am seeing it as a digital > capture, since it was scanned. Possibly as a result of the development, > local contrast, tonal differentiation at the edges between areas of > different tonal value, is very low. Also, detail actually captured by > lens and film is lost in the digital process. ALL digitally captured > images need sharpening if one wishes to see all the detail. It's nothing > to do with the source or the nominal resolution of the sensor/scanner, > but with the nature of scanning of an analog image with a fixed grid. > I've tried to explain the reason in clear, simple terms on Zone-10. > < > http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=149&Itemid=1&limit=1&limitstart=1 > > > > Here are a couple of versions of how I think the image "should" look. > > > I first applied noise reduction, mostly so that LCE and sharpening > wouldn't accentuate the grain. Then I applied LCE, Curves and > Sharpening. I also did use masks, so those tools were applied in > different amounts to different parts of the image. > > It may well be that the right film/developer combination will get you > negs that will print perfectly with the right paper and darkroom > technique. You will still need LCE and/or sharpening to get a similar > effect on the web for scanned images. > > All the above assumes a desire for the kind of result I linked to. There > may well be others for whom the soft, almost dreamy quality af the image > as-is will be preferable. > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 14:15:18 2009 Received: (qmail 3682 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 13:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 13:15:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D094301B7 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:15:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83379440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B5B34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:15:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AFE34AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:15:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26841 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 13:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 13:15:08 -0000 Message-ID: <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:15:07 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-1, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 14:15:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960b66680271073733319 Yes, you and CH and Marc are absolutely correct. Putting it in terms of flash lighting the subject and the exposure being the same from different distances snapped all into clarity. I don't know what I was thinking. Maybe I was looking too hard for an answer to a problem which was something I could control (my distance to the subject rather than the intensity of the light source). It was just an unfortunate circumstance that the subject-camera distance math worked out to support my twisted logic. Now I just did what I should have done in the first place. I put a bunch of thumbnails from both events on the screen side-by-side in a browser. It's perfectly clear scrolling through those thumbnails side-by-side that, just as CH said, the overall illumination level of the 2008 event is considerably less than the 2007 event. And it's not simple underexposure. Most frames in the 2008 event have many parts of the image overexposed in the red channel while the green and blue channels are about two stops below the red. The real conclusion is what I didn't want to hear. My 5D at ISO 3200 and with an f/2.8 lens are not necessarily adequate to the annual task. Two stops will be a big hurdle to overcome. Thanks all, Chuck Norcutt Ian Nichols wrote: > 2009/1/4 Chuck Norcutt : >> Are you sure? I'm not. Try measuring a light in your house with your >> light meter. First from 1 meter, then from 1.4 meters, then from 2 >> meters. Bet you find a 1 stop drop in each measurement. > > Yes, but that's changing the light-subject distance, not the > subject-camera distance. Put a piece of paper 1 meter away from a > lamp shining onto it and take spot readings from the paper at 1, 1.4 > and 2 meters. They should be the same, no? You'd use the same > aperture to photograph that piece of paper from each of those > distances with a manual flash, wouldn't you? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 14:17:58 2009 Received: (qmail 15088 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 13:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 13:17:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DAA430125 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C7B440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94C734AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:17:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BD234AC009 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:17:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.113]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1455 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2009 13:17:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oaA3mLkVM1kNXx_61Sqa7PhVzgajiVqo1fOsn1FEsn903nPB2cAjcp_BETPwQDrPIw-- Received: from [70.231.249.143] by web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:17:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:17:49 -0800 (PST) From: Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <637685.1312.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] New Very High Speed CMOS imagers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 14:17:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960b70657391823421471 Interesting new HS imaging chips. This is not super high resolution (3MP), but the readout rate < 1/500 sec is very fast for a purely electronic shutter at this resolution. http://www.msc-ge.com/frame/en/3541-INT.html?branch=1&language=3 Not needing a mechanical shutter would be big advantage: in allowing the design of a much simpler, smaller,lighter cameras. As well as combined HS video/still cameras. Normally the slow electronic readout of cmos imagers in DSLRS, makes it essential to use a mechanical shutter. Otherwise, any moving image or hand shake gives very smeared picture results. This readout speed would translate to a 1/250 sec in a 6M size sensor. This is within striking distance of being fast enough for use, without any mechanical shutter. Tim Hughes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 14:19:54 2009 Received: (qmail 31149 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 13:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 13:19:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438BD43021E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBDE440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED8D34AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:19:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D018B34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:19:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:19:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28498 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 13:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 13:19:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4960B773.7020807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:19:47 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <9F482C0D2D3F46BFB8DFCDE9826C58B4@hudson> In-Reply-To: <9F482C0D2D3F46BFB8DFCDE9826C58B4@hudson> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-1, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 14:19:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960b77a74811342116753 Thanks, but they only look OK in small sizes. Almost none of them are truly sharp due to motion blur. And these are the best of the lot. Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus mail list" > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:16 PM > Subject: [OM] Be careful where you sit... > > >> ... in the auditorium that is. Some of you may recall this series of >> shots from my grandaughters' dance recital in 2007. >> >> >> There was a similar recital in 2008 but I didn't like any of the shots >> and hadn't processed them at all. Actually, "didn't like them" is a >> serious understatement. Motion blur was everywhere due to low light >> levels and very slow shutter speeds. Finally my oldest granddaughter >> bugged me to prepare some 33 images for her where she either appeared in >> them or she liked them for other reasons. Those can be seen here: >> > > > Wow ! > > jh > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 14:37:04 2009 Received: (qmail 6617 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 13:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 13:37:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9902F430137 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B3F440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1948F34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:36:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0901034AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:36:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:36:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21300 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 13:36:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 13:36:55 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090104080822.01140f98@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:36:48 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <081601c96e63$188d7070$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> References: <081601c96e63$188d7070$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 14:37:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960bb8061662046811720 At 06:53 AM 1/4/2009, William wrote: >... >"I myself would rather see less pixels and better noise performance." > >The 5D mk II apparently offers both. Noise is not determined solely by pixel >area. I'm wondering when sensor design will eventually bump into the laws of >physics, and no further meaningful improvement will be possible. The article I pointed to has some numbers on the limits achievable with silicon. Basically it is the read noise, loss due to filters and Bayer pattern, the sensor quantum efficiency, and read electronics performance. http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedetail/digital.sensor.performance.summary/ The best sensors are 3-4 electrons of read noise and QE of around 45%. So maybe a factor of 2 better is possible with silicon? My prediction is that around 25-30mp for a FF sensor is probably close, mostly due to lens and diffraction limits. The 4/3rds sensor is probably not much more than 10-12mp. Probably one of the reasons 4/3rds lenses are so expensive as they need the higher resolution for the smaller sensor. I just don't understand P&S cameras with 12mp sensors. However, I cannot predict marketing departments. I'm having a hard time knowing what I would due with more than 12mp on a 35mm sensor. Perhaps Nikon will mate a MF sensor to the Mamiya 7 body. http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/09/nikon-readying.html But I have not purchased my poster size printer yet. No wonder we don't see DOF markings anymore. I guess we will just have to start focusing on artistic endeavors instead of megapixels. WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 14:44:30 2009 Received: (qmail 21445 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 13:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 13:44:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C952E430128 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10A2440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C036319E508 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:44:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB72319E4EE for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:44:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:44:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5643 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 13:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 13:44:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4960BD35.9070107@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:44:21 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6D2A146C36F44B1D80C91103CBC303F7@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <6D2A146C36F44B1D80C91103CBC303F7@meo.dec.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-1, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 14:44:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960bd3e190189117217770 I always shoot everything in raw and handle white balance in post processing. But, at the same time, I try to keep the camera's white balance setting close to the lighting temperature I'm shooting in such the previews of the images are reasonably close to what the final image will look like. I didn't know what to do in this case so I simply had the camera set at "auto". But auto on the camera in this case didn't do so well. In post-processing in ACR the image first shows up with white balance reported as "as shot". Strangely, most of them show up in "as shot" with a typical daylight range temperature or even higher. Clicking on "auto" in ACR switches them somewhere into the incandescent range. In some cases that looks right but in most I just tweak them a bit up or down until they look right to the eye. ACR got them into the ball park and sometimes even right on but my eye often disagreed by +/- 500 to 1000K. I do have various white balance tools but rarely use them. In most cases I don't want precision white balance to wash away the color of the light. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Finally my oldest granddaughter >> bugged me to prepare some 33 images for her where she either >> appeared in >> them or she liked them for other reasons. Those can be seen >> here: >> > > They may not be technically excellent, however they give a great feel for > the event. > > What did you do about white balance ? > > ...Wayne > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 14:45:50 2009 Received: (qmail 24598 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 13:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 13:45:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E674301C8 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:45:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A25D440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:45:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E48034AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:45:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720E634AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:45:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:45:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6048 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 13:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 13:45:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4960BD86.5000602@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:45:42 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-1, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 14:45:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960bd8e110951946193717 Sorry, I should have added your name along with Ian, CH and Marc to my mea culpa. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Are you sure? I'm not. Try measuring a light in your house >> with your >> light meter. First from 1 meter, then from 1.4 meters, then from 2 >> meters. Bet you find a 1 stop drop in each measurement. >> > > Different situation, the inverse square law will hold for a point source, or > close to point source, like a light bulb at a reasonable distance, that is > not what you were photographing. > > ...Wayne > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 14:46:16 2009 Received: (qmail 30944 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 13:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 13:46:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE68543021E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:46:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBE6440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:46:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE3334AC00E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:46:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12FA34AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:46:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:46:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2082572and.35 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:46:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.143.12 with SMTP id q12mr10606083and.22.1231076769372; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:46:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:46:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:46:09 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4960B773.7020807@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <9F482C0D2D3F46BFB8DFCDE9826C58B4@hudson> <4960B773.7020807@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a87f3c7bc69683fe Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 14:46:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960bda8243591993019900 Rule #1 of event photography: Get the shot no matter what. I would suggest that you use whatever ISO and shutter-speed necessary to get the shots you want. Don't worry about "noise" in the image. The people looking at the pictures are looking at the people and the "story". They don't give a rip about high-ISO noise. Only photographers concerned with what other photographers might think are concerned about noise. If you wife complains about the image noise, then use this opportunity to justify getting a new camera. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 14:52:34 2009 Received: (qmail 12084 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 13:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 13:52:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFD343020F for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F61440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A221519E530 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:52:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0570D19E508 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:52:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090104135227.WXUW13308.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:52:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4960BD35.9070107@chucknorcutt.com> References: <6D2A146C36F44B1D80C91103CBC303F7@meo.dec.com> <4960BD35.9070107@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: <19979EBA-9EB5-4E1F-9448-DE710F30AA0A@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:52:19 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 14:52:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960bf2210505368819438 On Jan 4, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > In most cases I don't want precision white balance to wash away the > color of the light. Excellent point. Agree 100%. Sometimes you don't realize how integral the light color is until you perfect the white balance and lose the color. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 14:53:33 2009 Received: (qmail 1390 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 13:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 13:53:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDE443014A for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC65440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:53:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E78519E535 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:53:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46E519E52E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:53:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8638 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 13:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 13:53:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4960BF56.1020502@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:53:26 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <081601c96e63$188d7070$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> In-Reply-To: <081601c96e63$188d7070$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-1, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 14:53:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960bf5d35785368819438 Gulliver's Travels were too far back I guess. Although I've heard "Brobdingnagian" before and could infer its meaning from context I had to go ask Wiki to be sure what it meant. :-) While the 5D Mark II apparently offers even less noise than the 5D the same technology applied to 5D size pixels would allow that ISO dial to go even higher. I might even give up flash... well, sometimes anyhow. Dr. Flash William Sommerwerck wrote: > "When I bought OM in the '70s it was because it was smaller, lighter and > cheaper. It seems that Olympus has > lost its way on small, light and cheap." > > Smaller and lighter, definitely. But hardly cheaper. Zuikos were quite > expenisve. And the dealer got only a 35% discount. * > > The Olympus ads for the Four-Thirds SLRs (I own an E-500) are comical. Even > the smallest is substantially larger than a (motor-driveless) OM, and the > lenses are (by comparison) positively Brobdingnagian. > > > "I myself would rather see less pixels and better noise performance." > > The 5D mk II apparently offers both. Noise is not determined solely by pixel > area. I'm wondering when sensor design will eventually bump into the laws of > physics, and no further meaningful improvement will be possible. > > > A comment about English grammar... The principal difference, as I see it, is > that English is nowhere nearly as inflected a language as most others. For > example, in some languages (such as German) you can say what, in English, > would be "The fish ate the woman", but the declensions indicate that it is > actually the woman doing the eating. There is simply less one has to learn > about how an English sentence is to be constructed. > > * At that time, Olympus was imported by Ponder & Best -- I think. If so, > there would have been additional discounts for quantity purchases. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 14:55:36 2009 Received: (qmail 30679 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 13:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 13:55:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0548C43010B for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA774440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F30D34AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:55:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209FC34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:55:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090104135530.WZFY73.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:55:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <9F482C0D2D3F46BFB8DFCDE9826C58B4@hudson> <4960B773.7020807@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: <999D5ADA-ED59-484D-963A-63B37360CFB2@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:55:22 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 14:55:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960bfd869134673671140 On Jan 4, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > f you wife complains about the image noise, then use this > opportunity to > justify getting a new camera. :) Excellent idea! I'm headed downstairs now to make some adjustments that will slowly wonk out the TV picture. Perhaps by SuperBowl I will have a new flatscreen plasma or LCD. Well, maybe I won't, because I'm still trying to figure out if plasma or LCD is best for me. I really like the way Panasonic plasmas look, but then I also really like Sony Bravia LCD's. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 14:59:29 2009 Received: (qmail 20882 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 13:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 13:59:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E37743013F for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7140C440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456EF34AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:59:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83FA34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:59:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10710 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 13:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 13:59:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4960C0BA.1030505@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:59:22 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9A7E7645-9C66-49AC-AB09-E8FAB2FB5A76@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <9A7E7645-9C66-49AC-AB09-E8FAB2FB5A76@frozenlight.eu> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-1, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 03/01/2009: flare, what flare? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 14:59:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960c0c173901234514069 Rather amazing. If I'd shot that with my old Tamron 20-40 there would be a large rainbow of colors spicing up the image. Many of my 20-40 round-the-country shots were ruined by that even with the sun fairly well outside the image. Usually I could see it and maneuver around it but sometimes it's just a small spot in a bad place that I hadn't noticed. Chuck Norcutt Nathan wrote: > When I woke up yesterday morning and looked out the window, I saw > white. Not much, but nice to finally have some reward for enduring > sub-freezing temperatures since arriving in Poland before Christmas. > I went for my usual morning walk along the river: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#448363535_mpHEh-O-LB > > This is the kind of image where one is usually cautioned against > flare. But with a new Leica M lens, I spit on flare. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 15:05:56 2009 Received: (qmail 14533 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 14:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 14:05:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54525430125 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D0C440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FA719E581 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:05:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8665219E570 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:05:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:05:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n04E5hla002008 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:05:44 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:05:43 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 15:05:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960c244302931023412894 May be you can talk to the stage manager, @ ISO3200 F2.8 1/60s is just too dark for enjoying the performance! The Chinese Opera I just shot was having a minimum light level of ISO400 F4 1/60s, four stops brighter than yours. For the difference in RGB channels, did you set the WB to 2800-3200K? Some lower power stage light may be just too warm. Finally, if everything just didn't work out, send me your 5D and purchase a 5D Mark II, which should give you extra one or two stops to work with ;-) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Yes, you and CH and Marc are absolutely correct. Putting it in terms of > flash lighting the subject and the exposure being the same from > different distances snapped all into clarity. I don't know what I was > thinking. Maybe I was looking too hard for an answer to a problem which > was something I could control (my distance to the subject rather than > the intensity of the light source). It was just an unfortunate > circumstance that the subject-camera distance math worked out to support > my twisted logic. > > Now I just did what I should have done in the first place. I put a > bunch of thumbnails from both events on the screen side-by-side in a > browser. It's perfectly clear scrolling through those thumbnails > side-by-side that, just as CH said, the overall illumination level of > the 2008 event is considerably less than the 2007 event. And it's not > simple underexposure. Most frames in the 2008 event have many parts of > the image overexposed in the red channel while the green and blue > channels are about two stops below the red. > > The real conclusion is what I didn't want to hear. My 5D at ISO 3200 > and with an f/2.8 lens are not necessarily adequate to the annual task. > Two stops will be a big hurdle to overcome. > > Thanks all, > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 15:10:21 2009 Received: (qmail 8133 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 14:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 14:10:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98806430109 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499C2440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7C019E599 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:10:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361E119E585 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:10:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15693 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 14:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090103-1, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] =?utf-8?q?IMG=3A_New_Year=27s_Eve_=28and_the_morning_after?= =?utf-8?q?=29_in_Wroc=C5=82aw?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 15:10:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960c34d41797927319144 I like many of them but especially the first and the last and "a face in the crowd". Still, the best may be the woman with dog. Chuck Norcutt Nathan wrote: > A collection of 18 images from 31 December and 1 January: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6973451_bVnQY#448397981_uSGfM > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 15:32:12 2009 Received: (qmail 696 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 14:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 14:32:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDD2430145 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2E6440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9822E19E623 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:32:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC48419E5F4 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:32:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23853 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 14:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 14:32:04 -0000 Message-ID: <4960C864.5040306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:32:04 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <9F482C0D2D3F46BFB8DFCDE9826C58B4@hudson> <4960B773.7020807@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-1, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 15:32:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960c86c261762336821329 It was already at ISO 3200 and the lens was usually wide open or close to it at f/2.8 or f/3.2. There's no more headroom except to use an even faster shutter speed and seriously underexpose by about 2 stops. Pulling an image out of the ISO 3200 shadows will not likely be pretty. 50 and 85mm primes would have gotten 93% of the shots and a 35mm would have gotten the rest. All are available in f/1.4... at a price. Swapping lenses in the dark and fast enough to go with the flow would be difficult at best. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > Rule #1 of event photography: Get the shot no matter what. > I would suggest that you use whatever ISO and shutter-speed necessary to get > the shots you want. Don't worry about "noise" in the image. The people > looking at the pictures are looking at the people and the "story". They > don't give a rip about high-ISO noise. Only photographers concerned with > what other photographers might think are concerned about noise. > > If you wife complains about the image noise, then use this opportunity to > justify getting a new camera. :) > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 15:35:18 2009 Received: (qmail 11402 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 14:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 14:35:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D969430145 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32476440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265F734AC00C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:35:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8496A34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:35:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24898 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 14:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 14:35:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4960C91D.2080701@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:35:09 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6D2A146C36F44B1D80C91103CBC303F7@meo.dec.com> <4960BD35.9070107@chucknorcutt.com> <19979EBA-9EB5-4E1F-9448-DE710F30AA0A@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <19979EBA-9EB5-4E1F-9448-DE710F30AA0A@roadrunner.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-1, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 15:35:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960c926113671993019900 I actually shoot most things with the camera set for daylight or flash if I'm using flash. It's unusual for me to adjust the color balance at all in post processing. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > On Jan 4, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> In most cases I don't want precision white balance to wash away the >> color of the light. > > > Excellent point. Agree 100%. Sometimes you don't realize how integral > the light color is until you perfect the white balance and lose the > color. > > --Bob Whitmire > "Art's just fart without the eff." > www.bwp33.com > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 15:59:23 2009 Received: (qmail 12093 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 14:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 14:59:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B89F4301EC for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE83440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49D419E68B for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:59:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1129D19E681 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:59:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 06:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1999 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 14:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 14:59:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:59:15 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> In-Reply-To: <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090103-1, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 15:59:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960cecb142142070262475 Good thought but I think my chance of talking to the stage manager is about zero. It raises an interesting question in my mind about how the DVD turned out. This event is always recorded on video and a DVD is made available for sale after the event. My son doesn't buy it because it's too expensive and my granddaughter is only on stage for about 5-10 minutes out of a 2 hour long production. I just wonder how the video cameras (with long lenses shooting from the back of the auditorium) fare under the same lighting conditions. Actually, since they do sell the DVD, I have been surprised for the past two years that they have never objected to me coming in with the 5D and a big lens. After adjusting the color temperature for most shots into the 2800-3500K range the overly bright red was considerably subdued but still too bright to be completely recovered with just the "recovery" slider in ACR. Most of it could be handled by dropping the overall exposure along with the recovery slider but then the overall exposure was much too dark. The 5D treats me well most of the time so I think I'll keep it despite its shortcomings. :-) Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > May be you can talk to the stage manager, @ ISO3200 F2.8 1/60s is just too > dark for enjoying the performance! The Chinese Opera I just shot was having > a minimum light level of ISO400 F4 1/60s, four stops brighter than yours. > > For the difference in RGB channels, did you set the WB to 2800-3200K? Some > lower power stage light may be just too warm. Finally, if everything just > didn't work out, send me your 5D and purchase a 5D Mark II, which should > give you extra one or two stops to work with ;-) > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> Yes, you and CH and Marc are absolutely correct. Putting it in terms of >> flash lighting the subject and the exposure being the same from >> different distances snapped all into clarity. I don't know what I was >> thinking. Maybe I was looking too hard for an answer to a problem which >> was something I could control (my distance to the subject rather than >> the intensity of the light source). It was just an unfortunate >> circumstance that the subject-camera distance math worked out to support >> my twisted logic. >> >> Now I just did what I should have done in the first place. I put a >> bunch of thumbnails from both events on the screen side-by-side in a >> browser. It's perfectly clear scrolling through those thumbnails >> side-by-side that, just as CH said, the overall illumination level of >> the 2008 event is considerably less than the 2007 event. And it's not >> simple underexposure. Most frames in the 2008 event have many parts of >> the image overexposed in the red channel while the green and blue >> channels are about two stops below the red. >> >> The real conclusion is what I didn't want to hear. My 5D at ISO 3200 >> and with an f/2.8 lens are not necessarily adequate to the annual task. >> Two stops will be a big hurdle to overcome. >> >> Thanks all, >> Chuck Norcutt >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 16:29:11 2009 Received: (qmail 18372 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 15:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 15:29:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749E643017A for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FABD440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4428E34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:29:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A199234AC009 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:29:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:29:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2089198and.35 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.127.15 with SMTP id z15mr10634913anc.10.1231082943712; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:29:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:29:03 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: fe2b45e67652f166 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 16:29:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960d5c730201499373980 If 3500k isn't correcting the WB, that would suggest that the lighting instruments themselves are set to 50% brightness. Almost all stage lighting will WB to 3500K when at 100% brightness. Where we run into problems is with follow-spots which tend to be bluer than normal instruments and sometimes will almost match daylight balance. As to pushing two-stops exposure of ISO 3200? One would think that a 50/1.4 is in your future. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 16:30:48 2009 Received: (qmail 5153 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 15:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 15:30:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A50043014D for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83448440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:30:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718DC34AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:30:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE6634AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:30:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n04FUa1D017980 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:30:36 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com><425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:30:35 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 16:30:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960d628230331342116753 If you need to reduce the overall exposure to avoid the faces from burn-out that means you have over exposed your images. The background of the scene could be dark but your subject is the people so you should expose for it. To bring some shadow details out you may max two different developed images, one exposed for the people and the other slightly increase the exposure a little bit. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Good thought but I think my chance of talking to the stage manager is > about zero. It raises an interesting question in my mind about how the > DVD turned out. This event is always recorded on video and a DVD is > made available for sale after the event. My son doesn't buy it because > it's too expensive and my granddaughter is only on stage for about 5-10 > minutes out of a 2 hour long production. I just wonder how the video > cameras (with long lenses shooting from the back of the auditorium) fare > under the same lighting conditions. Actually, since they do sell the > DVD, I have been surprised for the past two years that they have never > objected to me coming in with the 5D and a big lens. > > After adjusting the color temperature for most shots into the 2800-3500K > range the overly bright red was considerably subdued but still too > bright to be completely recovered with just the "recovery" slider in > ACR. Most of it could be handled by dropping the overall exposure along > with the recovery slider but then the overall exposure was much too dark. > > The 5D treats me well most of the time so I think I'll keep it despite > its shortcomings. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> May be you can talk to the stage manager, @ ISO3200 F2.8 1/60s is just >> too >> dark for enjoying the performance! The Chinese Opera I just shot was >> having >> a minimum light level of ISO400 F4 1/60s, four stops brighter than yours. >> >> For the difference in RGB channels, did you set the WB to 2800-3200K? >> Some >> lower power stage light may be just too warm. Finally, if everything just >> didn't work out, send me your 5D and purchase a 5D Mark II, which should >> give you extra one or two stops to work with ;-) >> >> C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 16:42:11 2009 Received: (qmail 23594 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 15:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 15:42:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86174301E6 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:42:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0A9440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:42:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9A034AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:42:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF82234AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:42:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.156]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so2362932yxi.80 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.14.10 with SMTP id 10mr10620699ann.119.1231083724411; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:42:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:42:04 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4960BF56.1020502@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <081601c96e63$188d7070$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <4960BF56.1020502@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0934aa5145e0c291 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 16:42:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960d8d3299271993019900 I just love this "sliding scale of acceptability". Wasn't the 5D the low-light leader and the answer to all of mankind's problems just a couple years ago? It's amazing just how HORRID and completely unacceptable it is now. ;) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 16:48:20 2009 Received: (qmail 28363 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 15:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 15:48:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E464301D2 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3AD440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D445E34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:48:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E4B3610001 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:48:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:48:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21456 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 15:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 16:48:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960da4448071993019900 Moose is probably asleep so I'll answer. You can find LCE (Local = Contrast Enhancement) described on Luminous Landscape here: It's done using unsharp mask with unlikely parameters for typical = unsharp masking: Amount =97 20%, Radius =97 50, Threshold =97 0 But the description here (while not invented by him) actually originates = from Thomas Knoll who is the chief author of PhotoShop and ACR so it is = not unusual to find that it is now in ACR as well. There it is known as = the "clarity" slider. But my view of its effect in ACR is that it's = much subdued there relative to using the parameters above. Moose uses = LCE on a separate layer so that he can control the strength of the = effect with the layer's opacity control. According to Bruce Fraser and Jeff Schewe writing in "Real World Camera = Raw with Adobe PhotoShop CS3" the clarity slider's effect can be = simulated in PhotoShop by using unsharp mask on a separate layer with = parameters: Amount =97 15%, Radius =97 100 "Then in the layer's Blend If option (double-click the layer icon), = select This Layer and split the highlight and shadows sliders to set the = blend range so that shadows blend from 0/100 and the highlights blend = from 127-255." Chuck Norcutt Michael Wong wrote: > Moose, > Thanks for your comment. > = > What is LCE? Is it included in PS? > = > Thanks. > = > = > --- > Michael > = > = > = > = > 2009/1/4 Moose > = >> Michael Wong wrote: >>> http://www.fotop.net/MichaelWong/Rollei35sBW >>> >>> Although it's not very good, the first step is successful ^_^ >>> >> Michael Wong wrote: >>> I missed the info from the website ( >> http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html ) & it recommends 9 mins >> developing time for Lucky 100 by TMAX developer. I made it less 2 mins, >> maybe it caused to low contrast :-( >> It's been something like 40 years since I developed a roll of B&W, so I >> have no idea what the short development time would do. >> >> But it's only been a couple of weeks since I scanned some B&W film. It's >> impossible to tell from here how much of the results is from >> film/development and how much from scanner, scanning software and >> operator settings. >> >> Using IMG3605 as an example, overall contrast is fine, in the sense that >> neither highlight or shadow detail is lost at the ends of the histogram. >> However, the image overall looks flat and lifeless, especially for a >> subject so busy and full of life. As I see it, the problem is at least >> partially in local contrast and sharpness, with lesser problems of tonal >> distribution. >> >> Although this is a film image originally, I am seeing it as a digital >> capture, since it was scanned. Possibly as a result of the development, >> local contrast, tonal differentiation at the edges between areas of >> different tonal value, is very low. Also, detail actually captured by >> lens and film is lost in the digital process. ALL digitally captured >> images need sharpening if one wishes to see all the detail. It's nothing >> to do with the source or the nominal resolution of the sensor/scanner, >> but with the nature of scanning of an analog image with a fixed grid. >> I've tried to explain the reason in clear, simple terms on Zone-10. >> < >> http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=3D= 149&Itemid=3D1&limit=3D1&limitstart=3D1 >> Here are a couple of versions of how I think the image "should" look. >> >> >> I first applied noise reduction, mostly so that LCE and sharpening >> wouldn't accentuate the grain. Then I applied LCE, Curves and >> Sharpening. I also did use masks, so those tools were applied in >> different amounts to different parts of the image. >> >> It may well be that the right film/developer combination will get you >> negs that will print perfectly with the right paper and darkroom >> technique. You will still need LCE and/or sharpening to get a similar >> effect on the web for scanned images. >> >> All the above assumes a desire for the kind of result I linked to. There >> may well be others for whom the soft, almost dreamy quality af the image >> as-is will be preferable. >> >> Moose >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 16:55:05 2009 Received: (qmail 26261 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 15:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 15:55:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82F3430132 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:55:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D77440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B9C19E82B for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:54:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1556519E812 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:54:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23982 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 15:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 15:54:58 -0000 Message-ID: <4960DBD1.2090800@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:54:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 16:55:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960dbd9164677927319144 The OM Zuiko would probably work if I sat about 50 feet away and pre-focused. DOF at f/1.4 runs from about 40-70 feet at that distance. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > If 3500k isn't correcting the WB, that would suggest that the lighting > instruments themselves are set to 50% brightness. Almost all stage lighting > will WB to 3500K when at 100% brightness. Where we run into problems is > with follow-spots which tend to be bluer than normal instruments and > sometimes will almost match daylight balance. > As to pushing two-stops exposure of ISO 3200? One would think that a 50/1.4 > is in your future. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 16:57:11 2009 Received: (qmail 30826 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 15:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 15:57:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F49343021E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8198440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90A219E83C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:57:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC1B19E812 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:57:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24739 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 15:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 15:57:05 -0000 Message-ID: <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:57:04 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com><425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> In-Reply-To: <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 16:57:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960dc5722142070262475 Sound fine for a static subject with the camera on a tripod. :-) Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > If you need to reduce the overall exposure to avoid the faces from burn-out > that means you have over exposed your images. The background of the scene > could be dark but your subject is the people so you should expose for it. To > bring some shadow details out you may max two different developed images, > one exposed for the people and the other slightly increase the exposure a > little bit. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> Good thought but I think my chance of talking to the stage manager is >> about zero. It raises an interesting question in my mind about how the >> DVD turned out. This event is always recorded on video and a DVD is >> made available for sale after the event. My son doesn't buy it because >> it's too expensive and my granddaughter is only on stage for about 5-10 >> minutes out of a 2 hour long production. I just wonder how the video >> cameras (with long lenses shooting from the back of the auditorium) fare >> under the same lighting conditions. Actually, since they do sell the >> DVD, I have been surprised for the past two years that they have never >> objected to me coming in with the 5D and a big lens. >> >> After adjusting the color temperature for most shots into the 2800-3500K >> range the overly bright red was considerably subdued but still too >> bright to be completely recovered with just the "recovery" slider in >> ACR. Most of it could be handled by dropping the overall exposure along >> with the recovery slider but then the overall exposure was much too dark. >> >> The 5D treats me well most of the time so I think I'll keep it despite >> its shortcomings. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> May be you can talk to the stage manager, @ ISO3200 F2.8 1/60s is just >>> too >>> dark for enjoying the performance! The Chinese Opera I just shot was >>> having >>> a minimum light level of ISO400 F4 1/60s, four stops brighter than yours. >>> >>> For the difference in RGB channels, did you set the WB to 2800-3200K? >>> Some >>> lower power stage light may be just too warm. Finally, if everything just >>> didn't work out, send me your 5D and purchase a 5D Mark II, which should >>> give you extra one or two stops to work with ;-) >>> >>> C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 17:02:11 2009 Received: (qmail 30238 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 16:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 16:02:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0E94301A2 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:02:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DFC440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4853610004 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDD73610001 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:02:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n04G214O023940 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:02:01 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com><425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com><38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:02:01 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 17:02:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960dd83215031234514069 I mean you stack two RAW developments of the same image. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Sound fine for a static subject with the camera on a tripod. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> If you need to reduce the overall exposure to avoid the faces from >> burn-out >> that means you have over exposed your images. The background of the scene >> could be dark but your subject is the people so you should expose for it. >> To >> bring some shadow details out you may max two different developed images, >> one exposed for the people and the other slightly increase the exposure a >> little bit. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> >>> Good thought but I think my chance of talking to the stage manager is >>> about zero. It raises an interesting question in my mind about how the >>> DVD turned out. This event is always recorded on video and a DVD is >>> made available for sale after the event. My son doesn't buy it because >>> it's too expensive and my granddaughter is only on stage for about 5-10 >>> minutes out of a 2 hour long production. I just wonder how the video >>> cameras (with long lenses shooting from the back of the auditorium) fare >>> under the same lighting conditions. Actually, since they do sell the >>> DVD, I have been surprised for the past two years that they have never >>> objected to me coming in with the 5D and a big lens. >>> >>> After adjusting the color temperature for most shots into the 2800-3500K >>> range the overly bright red was considerably subdued but still too >>> bright to be completely recovered with just the "recovery" slider in >>> ACR. Most of it could be handled by dropping the overall exposure along >>> with the recovery slider but then the overall exposure was much too >>> dark. >>> >>> The 5D treats me well most of the time so I think I'll keep it despite >>> its shortcomings. :-) >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> C.H.Ling wrote: >>>> May be you can talk to the stage manager, @ ISO3200 F2.8 1/60s is just >>>> too >>>> dark for enjoying the performance! The Chinese Opera I just shot was >>>> having >>>> a minimum light level of ISO400 F4 1/60s, four stops brighter than >>>> yours. >>>> >>>> For the difference in RGB channels, did you set the WB to 2800-3200K? >>>> Some >>>> lower power stage light may be just too warm. Finally, if everything >>>> just >>>> didn't work out, send me your 5D and purchase a 5D Mark II, which >>>> should >>>> give you extra one or two stops to work with ;-) >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 17:31:44 2009 Received: (qmail 24695 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 16:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 16:31:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6591D43019A for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:31:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2C3440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EFC819E8EB for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:31:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8D219E8C3 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:31:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6812 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 16:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 16:31:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4960E467.2070501@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:31:35 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com><425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com><38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> In-Reply-To: <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 17:31:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960e470298771023412894 OK, got it. Thanks. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > I mean you stack two RAW developments of the same image. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> Sound fine for a static subject with the camera on a tripod. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> If you need to reduce the overall exposure to avoid the faces from >>> burn-out >>> that means you have over exposed your images. The background of the scene >>> could be dark but your subject is the people so you should expose for it. >>> To >>> bring some shadow details out you may max two different developed images, >>> one exposed for the people and the other slightly increase the exposure a >>> little bit. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> >>>> Good thought but I think my chance of talking to the stage manager is >>>> about zero. It raises an interesting question in my mind about how the >>>> DVD turned out. This event is always recorded on video and a DVD is >>>> made available for sale after the event. My son doesn't buy it because >>>> it's too expensive and my granddaughter is only on stage for about 5-10 >>>> minutes out of a 2 hour long production. I just wonder how the video >>>> cameras (with long lenses shooting from the back of the auditorium) fare >>>> under the same lighting conditions. Actually, since they do sell the >>>> DVD, I have been surprised for the past two years that they have never >>>> objected to me coming in with the 5D and a big lens. >>>> >>>> After adjusting the color temperature for most shots into the 2800-3500K >>>> range the overly bright red was considerably subdued but still too >>>> bright to be completely recovered with just the "recovery" slider in >>>> ACR. Most of it could be handled by dropping the overall exposure along >>>> with the recovery slider but then the overall exposure was much too >>>> dark. >>>> >>>> The 5D treats me well most of the time so I think I'll keep it despite >>>> its shortcomings. :-) >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling wrote: >>>>> May be you can talk to the stage manager, @ ISO3200 F2.8 1/60s is just >>>>> too >>>>> dark for enjoying the performance! The Chinese Opera I just shot was >>>>> having >>>>> a minimum light level of ISO400 F4 1/60s, four stops brighter than >>>>> yours. >>>>> >>>>> For the difference in RGB channels, did you set the WB to 2800-3200K? >>>>> Some >>>>> lower power stage light may be just too warm. Finally, if everything >>>>> just >>>>> didn't work out, send me your 5D and purchase a 5D Mark II, which >>>>> should >>>>> give you extra one or two stops to work with ;-) >>>>> >>>>> C.H.Ling >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 17:41:17 2009 Received: (qmail 9354 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 16:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 16:41:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CA64302A0 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:41:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC71D440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52E134AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:41:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28AB34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:41:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10813 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 16:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 16:41:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:41:10 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com><425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com><38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> In-Reply-To: <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 17:41:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960e6ad35451342116753 This discussion of light sources vs subjects has made me realize that I don't understand the physics of the situation at all. I can readily understand why a point source like the sun has its intensity drop off as the square of the distance. A fixed quantity of light is expanding to fill an ever larger virtual sphere whose surface area is increasing according to the square of the radius (4*pi*r^2). What I don't understand is why, once the light has struck and reflected off the subject, why the subject is not treated as the "light source" for the reflected light that's emanating from it in the same sense as the sun is a light source. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > I mean you stack two RAW developments of the same image. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> Sound fine for a static subject with the camera on a tripod. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> If you need to reduce the overall exposure to avoid the faces from >>> burn-out >>> that means you have over exposed your images. The background of the scene >>> could be dark but your subject is the people so you should expose for it. >>> To >>> bring some shadow details out you may max two different developed images, >>> one exposed for the people and the other slightly increase the exposure a >>> little bit. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> >>>> Good thought but I think my chance of talking to the stage manager is >>>> about zero. It raises an interesting question in my mind about how the >>>> DVD turned out. This event is always recorded on video and a DVD is >>>> made available for sale after the event. My son doesn't buy it because >>>> it's too expensive and my granddaughter is only on stage for about 5-10 >>>> minutes out of a 2 hour long production. I just wonder how the video >>>> cameras (with long lenses shooting from the back of the auditorium) fare >>>> under the same lighting conditions. Actually, since they do sell the >>>> DVD, I have been surprised for the past two years that they have never >>>> objected to me coming in with the 5D and a big lens. >>>> >>>> After adjusting the color temperature for most shots into the 2800-3500K >>>> range the overly bright red was considerably subdued but still too >>>> bright to be completely recovered with just the "recovery" slider in >>>> ACR. Most of it could be handled by dropping the overall exposure along >>>> with the recovery slider but then the overall exposure was much too >>>> dark. >>>> >>>> The 5D treats me well most of the time so I think I'll keep it despite >>>> its shortcomings. :-) >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling wrote: >>>>> May be you can talk to the stage manager, @ ISO3200 F2.8 1/60s is just >>>>> too >>>>> dark for enjoying the performance! The Chinese Opera I just shot was >>>>> having >>>>> a minimum light level of ISO400 F4 1/60s, four stops brighter than >>>>> yours. >>>>> >>>>> For the difference in RGB channels, did you set the WB to 2800-3200K? >>>>> Some >>>>> lower power stage light may be just too warm. Finally, if everything >>>>> just >>>>> didn't work out, send me your 5D and purchase a 5D Mark II, which >>>>> should >>>>> give you extra one or two stops to work with ;-) >>>>> >>>>> C.H.Ling >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 17:43:08 2009 Received: (qmail 23715 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 16:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 16:43:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C202F4301E6 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:43:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FAD440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDFB19E8FF for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:43:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF37D19E928 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:43:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090104164301.TSDY2036.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:43:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <297351ED-67ED-4334-8C83-5247F70C31CD@frozenlight.eu> References: <297351ED-67ED-4334-8C83-5247F70C31CD@frozenlight.eu> Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:42:52 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] =?utf-8?q?IMG=3A_New_Year=27s_Eve_=28and_the_morning_after?= =?utf-8?q?=29_in_Wroc=C5=82aw?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 17:43:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960e71c259309117217770 Excellent street photography. I really like the woman with the dog. But I also like some of the more inebriated citizens out on the street. The two young women is excellent. I would like to have had a closer look at some of the faces, but I know when one is snapping at drunks, one must adhere to "discretion is the better part of valor." The face in the crowd was a pleaser, too. Keep shooting! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jan 4, 2009, at 5:43 AM, Nathan wrote: > A collection of 18 images from 31 December and 1 January: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/6973451_bVnQY#448397981_uSGfM > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 17:43:50 2009 Received: (qmail 6512 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 16:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 16:43:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115D743023C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3096440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E469319E928 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:43:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B7E19E8FF for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:43:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11625 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 16:43:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 16:43:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4960E73F.1000105@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:43:43 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <637685.1312.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <637685.1312.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New Very High Speed CMOS imagers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 17:43:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960e746222782070262475 I'm glad I don't have to process 485 frames/sec. :-) Chuck Norcutt Hughes wrote: > Interesting new HS imaging chips. > > This is not super high resolution (3MP), but the readout rate < 1/500 > sec is very fast for a purely electronic shutter at this resolution. > > > http://www.msc-ge.com/frame/en/3541-INT.html?branch=1&language=3 > > Not needing a mechanical shutter would be big advantage: in allowing > the design of a much simpler, smaller,lighter cameras. As well as > combined HS video/still cameras. > > Normally the slow electronic readout of cmos imagers in DSLRS, makes > it essential to use a mechanical shutter. Otherwise, any moving image > or hand shake gives very smeared picture results. > > This readout speed would translate to a 1/250 sec in a 6M size > sensor. This is within striking distance of being fast enough for > use, without any mechanical shutter. > > Tim Hughes > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 17:54:14 2009 Received: (qmail 5380 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 16:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 16:54:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102BE430145 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17151440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18AB19E97C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:54:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D296E19E976 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:54:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-005.ctimail.com [61.93.57.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n04Gs33k026637 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:54:03 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n04Gs2rP027749 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:54:03 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <1717672DDA09442ABB04EA3BD1F1687E@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com><425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com><38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com><8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:54:02 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 17:54:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960e9b6239191257536491 Light source will not reduce intensity with distance if it is the object you are shooting. But the object illuminating by the light source will, when the distance between light source and object increases, the intensity drops. You have mixed up the light source and the object, if the sun is the object, the intensity will not drop with distance too. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > This discussion of light sources vs subjects has made me realize that I > don't understand the physics of the situation at all. I can readily > understand why a point source like the sun has its intensity drop off as > the square of the distance. A fixed quantity of light is expanding to > fill an ever larger virtual sphere whose surface area is increasing > according to the square of the radius (4*pi*r^2). What I don't > understand is why, once the light has struck and reflected off the > subject, why the subject is not treated as the "light source" for the > reflected light that's emanating from it in the same sense as the sun is > a light source. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> I mean you stack two RAW developments of the same image. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> >>> Sound fine for a static subject with the camera on a tripod. :-) >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> C.H.Ling wrote: >>>> If you need to reduce the overall exposure to avoid the faces from >>>> burn-out >>>> that means you have over exposed your images. The background of the >>>> scene >>>> could be dark but your subject is the people so you should expose for >>>> it. >>>> To >>>> bring some shadow details out you may max two different developed >>>> images, >>>> one exposed for the people and the other slightly increase the exposure >>>> a >>>> little bit. >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>>> >>>>> Good thought but I think my chance of talking to the stage manager is >>>>> about zero. It raises an interesting question in my mind about how >>>>> the >>>>> DVD turned out. This event is always recorded on video and a DVD is >>>>> made available for sale after the event. My son doesn't buy it >>>>> because >>>>> it's too expensive and my granddaughter is only on stage for about >>>>> 5-10 >>>>> minutes out of a 2 hour long production. I just wonder how the video >>>>> cameras (with long lenses shooting from the back of the auditorium) >>>>> fare >>>>> under the same lighting conditions. Actually, since they do sell the >>>>> DVD, I have been surprised for the past two years that they have never >>>>> objected to me coming in with the 5D and a big lens. >>>>> >>>>> After adjusting the color temperature for most shots into the >>>>> 2800-3500K >>>>> range the overly bright red was considerably subdued but still too >>>>> bright to be completely recovered with just the "recovery" slider in >>>>> ACR. Most of it could be handled by dropping the overall exposure >>>>> along >>>>> with the recovery slider but then the overall exposure was much too >>>>> dark. >>>>> >>>>> The 5D treats me well most of the time so I think I'll keep it despite >>>>> its shortcomings. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> C.H.Ling wrote: >>>>>> May be you can talk to the stage manager, @ ISO3200 F2.8 1/60s is >>>>>> just >>>>>> too >>>>>> dark for enjoying the performance! The Chinese Opera I just shot was >>>>>> having >>>>>> a minimum light level of ISO400 F4 1/60s, four stops brighter than >>>>>> yours. >>>>>> >>>>>> For the difference in RGB channels, did you set the WB to 2800-3200K? >>>>>> Some >>>>>> lower power stage light may be just too warm. Finally, if everything >>>>>> just >>>>>> didn't work out, send me your 5D and purchase a 5D Mark II, which >>>>>> should >>>>>> give you extra one or two stops to work with ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> C.H.Ling >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 17:56:06 2009 Received: (qmail 24682 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 16:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 16:56:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E0F43014A for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:56:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EEF440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E405519E98C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:56:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A8219E984 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:56:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24095 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 16:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 16:55:57 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090104114733.0241b460@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:55:20 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <4960BF56.1020502@chucknorcutt.com> References: <081601c96e63$188d7070$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <4960BF56.1020502@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 17:56:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960ea26167761838542571 At 08:53 AM 1/4/2009, Dr. Flash wrote: ><...> >While the 5D Mark II apparently offers even less noise than the 5D the >same technology applied to 5D size pixels would allow that ISO dial to >go even higher. I might even give up flash... well, sometimes anyhow. That is not entirely clear since larger pixels also generate more noise. The larger micro lenses probably make it better. Of course, the new micro lenses may also be contributing to the "dark spots". WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 18:07:13 2009 Received: (qmail 448 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 17:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 17:07:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C367F43022E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5492440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F9919E9E5 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:07:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E013519E9B0 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:07:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30503 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 17:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 17:07:04 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090104115746.024280c8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:07:00 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: <081601c96e63$188d7070$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <4960BF56.1020502@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 18:07:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960ecc195031234514069 At 10:42 AM 1/4/2009, you wrote: >I just love this "sliding scale of acceptability". Wasn't the 5D the >low-light leader and the answer to all of mankind's problems just a couple >years ago? It's amazing just how HORRID and completely unacceptable it is >now. >;) I know, the 5D LCD display is unacceptable, and how can anyone possible print an 8x10 with only 12mp? Or shoot without live view? The lenses are the real problem now. I noticed CZ lenses with manual focus are now available for the Can*n. A 50/1.4 and 85/1.4. What is the world coming to? I'm waiting for the Mamiya 7 45mp digital, with sensor IS and live view. WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 18:14:16 2009 Received: (qmail 13455 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 17:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 17:14:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B24343017C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4D4440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:14:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBE419EA11 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:14:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD8919EA0D for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:14:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4327 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 17:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 17:14:07 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:14:03 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 18:14:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960ee686991073733319 At 11:41 AM 1/4/2009, Chuck wrote: > What I don't >understand is why, once the light has struck and reflected off the >subject, why the subject is not treated as the "light source" for the >reflected light that's emanating from it in the same sense as the sun is >a light source. The subject just gets smaller with distance. Hence there is less light reaching the lens, but the illumination of the subject is the same, just that its size in the frame is smaller. If it is the only subject, then an average meter would vary, but a spot meter on the subject would be constant with distance. WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 18:26:39 2009 Received: (qmail 30314 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 17:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 17:26:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D924430253 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA637440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C258A19EA87 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:26:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F17519EA7A for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:26:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29118 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 17:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 17:26:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4960F144.4040603@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:26:28 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com><425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com><38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com><8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <1717672DDA09442ABB04EA3BD1F1687E@main> In-Reply-To: <1717672DDA09442ABB04EA3BD1F1687E@main> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 18:26:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960f14f681591313764 Thanks, but you didn't answer my real question which is... why? C.H.Ling wrote: > Light source will not reduce intensity with distance if it is the object you > are shooting. But the object illuminating by the light source will, when the > distance between light source and object increases, the intensity drops. > > You have mixed up the light source and the object, if the sun is the object, > the intensity will not drop with distance too. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> This discussion of light sources vs subjects has made me realize that I >> don't understand the physics of the situation at all. I can readily >> understand why a point source like the sun has its intensity drop off as >> the square of the distance. A fixed quantity of light is expanding to >> fill an ever larger virtual sphere whose surface area is increasing >> according to the square of the radius (4*pi*r^2). What I don't >> understand is why, once the light has struck and reflected off the >> subject, why the subject is not treated as the "light source" for the >> reflected light that's emanating from it in the same sense as the sun is >> a light source. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> I mean you stack two RAW developments of the same image. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> >>>> Sound fine for a static subject with the camera on a tripod. :-) >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling wrote: >>>>> If you need to reduce the overall exposure to avoid the faces from >>>>> burn-out >>>>> that means you have over exposed your images. The background of the >>>>> scene >>>>> could be dark but your subject is the people so you should expose for >>>>> it. >>>>> To >>>>> bring some shadow details out you may max two different developed >>>>> images, >>>>> one exposed for the people and the other slightly increase the exposure >>>>> a >>>>> little bit. >>>>> >>>>> C.H.Ling >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>>>> >>>>>> Good thought but I think my chance of talking to the stage manager is >>>>>> about zero. It raises an interesting question in my mind about how >>>>>> the >>>>>> DVD turned out. This event is always recorded on video and a DVD is >>>>>> made available for sale after the event. My son doesn't buy it >>>>>> because >>>>>> it's too expensive and my granddaughter is only on stage for about >>>>>> 5-10 >>>>>> minutes out of a 2 hour long production. I just wonder how the video >>>>>> cameras (with long lenses shooting from the back of the auditorium) >>>>>> fare >>>>>> under the same lighting conditions. Actually, since they do sell the >>>>>> DVD, I have been surprised for the past two years that they have never >>>>>> objected to me coming in with the 5D and a big lens. >>>>>> >>>>>> After adjusting the color temperature for most shots into the >>>>>> 2800-3500K >>>>>> range the overly bright red was considerably subdued but still too >>>>>> bright to be completely recovered with just the "recovery" slider in >>>>>> ACR. Most of it could be handled by dropping the overall exposure >>>>>> along >>>>>> with the recovery slider but then the overall exposure was much too >>>>>> dark. >>>>>> >>>>>> The 5D treats me well most of the time so I think I'll keep it despite >>>>>> its shortcomings. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> C.H.Ling wrote: >>>>>>> May be you can talk to the stage manager, @ ISO3200 F2.8 1/60s is >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> too >>>>>>> dark for enjoying the performance! The Chinese Opera I just shot was >>>>>>> having >>>>>>> a minimum light level of ISO400 F4 1/60s, four stops brighter than >>>>>>> yours. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the difference in RGB channels, did you set the WB to 2800-3200K? >>>>>>> Some >>>>>>> lower power stage light may be just too warm. Finally, if everything >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> didn't work out, send me your 5D and purchase a 5D Mark II, which >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> give you extra one or two stops to work with ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> C.H.Ling >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 18:32:47 2009 Received: (qmail 30597 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 17:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 17:32:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8327A4301D2 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134A7440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:32:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FE919EAA4 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:32:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C89E19EA9E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:32:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31911 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 17:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 17:32:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:32:38 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 18:32:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960f2bf246801838542571 Sorry, but I still don't understand. If, in your first sentence, I replace "subject" with "light source" and "illumination of the subject" with "intensity from the light source" I have replaced subject with light source and the statement remains true. I'm still missing something very fundamental. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > At 11:41 AM 1/4/2009, Chuck wrote: >> What I don't >> understand is why, once the light has struck and reflected off the >> subject, why the subject is not treated as the "light source" for the >> reflected light that's emanating from it in the same sense as the sun is >> a light source. > > The subject just gets smaller with distance. Hence there is less light > reaching the lens, but the illumination of the subject is the same, just > that its size in the frame is smaller. > > If it is the only subject, then an average meter would vary, but a spot > meter on the subject would be constant with distance. > > WayneS > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 18:54:10 2009 Received: (qmail 31190 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 17:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 17:54:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE13F4301B3 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:54:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD67440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B9A34AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:54:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF75E34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:54:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6846 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 17:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 17:54:03 -0000 Message-ID: <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:54:03 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 18:54:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960f7c2229469347015869 I just answered my own question from the recesses of my memory. The difference is between a point and an extended light source. The wall is an extended source and does not radiate in all directions as does a point source. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Sorry, but I still don't understand. If, in your first sentence, I > replace "subject" with "light source" and "illumination of the subject" > with "intensity from the light source" I have replaced subject with > light source and the statement remains true. > > I'm still missing something very fundamental. > > Chuck Norcutt > > WayneS wrote: >> At 11:41 AM 1/4/2009, Chuck wrote: >>> What I don't >>> understand is why, once the light has struck and reflected off the >>> subject, why the subject is not treated as the "light source" for the >>> reflected light that's emanating from it in the same sense as the sun is >>> a light source. >> The subject just gets smaller with distance. Hence there is less light >> reaching the lens, but the illumination of the subject is the same, just >> that its size in the frame is smaller. >> >> If it is the only subject, then an average meter would vary, but a spot >> meter on the subject would be constant with distance. >> >> WayneS >> >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 19:19:33 2009 Received: (qmail 16109 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 18:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 18:19:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D484301C8 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:19:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68973440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DFF19EBAE for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:19:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175E319EBA3 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:19:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 769 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 18:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 18:19:24 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:19:21 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 19:19:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4960fdb5256471257536491 At 12:54 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote: >I just answered my own question from the recesses of my memory. The >difference is between a point and an extended light source. The wall is >an extended source and does not radiate in all directions as does a >point source. The difference is not about the subject being the light source but rather the subject is illuminated, hence its intensity is what it is. Just because the photographer is further from the subject does not change its illumination. WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 19:31:09 2009 Received: (qmail 5818 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 18:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 18:31:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783134302CF for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADCA440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D0719EBEE for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:31:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D371E19EBD5 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:31:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KCY00D74M3QSLC0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:31:02 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-30.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.30]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:18:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:31:21 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <5CC688FF3B5B4B3CA5815FA859F0D5D4@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgkOAKuPYEkY3tge/2dsb2JhbACBZogxvm8GhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,328,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="400151990" References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <495E10B0.9080806@blueyonder.co.uk> <4B5AEEA2-0F93-4FED-BBC2-27A72797F096@people.net.au> <811094E75E434E6492BA7D5CED0AE8AC@hudson> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104074957.0111c448@zuik.net> Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 19:31:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961006d51311823421471 Andrew ... I do apologize for having alleged that no apologies were forthcoming. Hopefully this will be accepted and that any friction will be forgotten. John H ----- Original Message ----- From: "WayneS" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII >I recall there were apologies sent. Life is imperfect. A mistake was made. > I'm sure Mr Fildes had a lot on his mind at the time. > > Wayne > > At 08:34 PM 1/3/2009, John Hudson wrote: >>I have noticed that there has been no apology from Mr Fildes for his mail >>bombing of members' mail boxes immediately before he departed the list for >>his knee surgery. My mail box was bombed with scores and scores of his >>email >>messages. >> >>jh > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 19:32:19 2009 Received: (qmail 15704 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 18:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 18:32:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40041430299 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3413C440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2238634AC00C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:32:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBBE34AC009 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:32:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10058 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 2009 18:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 18:32:09 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131935.011161b0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:32:05 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 19:32:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496100b395902046811720 Translate: >> The "light source" just gets smaller with distance. Hence there is less light >> reaching the lens, but the "intensity from the light source" is the same, just >> that its size in the frame is smaller. If you replace "intensity from the light source" with "intensity of the light source" then it would be correct. A light source radiates out and the intensity per area it illuminates decreases. But the light source is the same illumination, if that is what one is photographing, hence the exposure for the light source itself does not depend on distance, unless it is foggy or hazy or dark matter between you and the source. It matters not whether it is a point or a surface when it is the subject rather than the source of light. Shape only effect what it will illuminate. At 12:32 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote: >Sorry, but I still don't understand. If, in your first sentence, I >replace "subject" with "light source" and "illumination of the subject" >with "intensity from the light source" I have replaced subject with >light source and the statement remains true. > >I'm still missing something very fundamental. > >Chuck Norcutt > >WayneS wrote: >> At 11:41 AM 1/4/2009, Chuck wrote: >>> What I don't >>> understand is why, once the light has struck and reflected off the >>> subject, why the subject is not treated as the "light source" for the >>> reflected light that's emanating from it in the same sense as the sun is >>> a light source. >> >> The subject just gets smaller with distance. Hence there is less light >> reaching the lens, but the illumination of the subject is the same, just >> that its size in the frame is smaller. >> >> If it is the only subject, then an average meter would vary, but a spot >> meter on the subject would be constant with distance. >> >> WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 19:35:20 2009 Received: (qmail 20314 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 18:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 18:35:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4FD4301A2 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83865440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:35:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EAE19EBFC for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:35:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B3319EBD5 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:35:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.152]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so2376224yxi.80 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.71.10 with SMTP id y10mr10694290ank.48.1231094112259; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.2 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:35:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:35:12 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 36112b6ef446da9e Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 19:35:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49610168217591234514069 What changes with distance is subject size. This follows the same square-root laws as light fall-off. So, if you consider that at 4 feet a subject fills the viewfinder, it is at, say 100%. But at 8 feet, the subject only occupies 50% of the viewfinder. The quantity of light reaching the viewfinder is 50%, but that which does is still at 100% intensity. There is a slight bit of fall-off with distance, but the fall-off is measured in billions of light-years of distance. Oh, and you will need to do a white-balance correction on that too, since it trends towards a red-shift. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 19:53:10 2009 Received: (qmail 19484 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 18:53:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 18:53:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C5B4302C2 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F25440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:53:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E1F34AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:53:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26BE34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:53:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.155]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:53:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2377204ywa.80 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:53:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.145.20 with SMTP id s20mr2365751ybd.97.1231095184160; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:53:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.230.11 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:53:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:53:04 +0000 From: "Ian Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 19:53:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49610596214111869477228 2009/1/4 Ken Norton : > What changes with distance is subject size. This follows the same > square-root laws as light fall-off. So, if you consider that at 4 feet a > subject fills the viewfinder, it is at, say 100%. But at 8 feet, the > subject only occupies 50% of the viewfinder. The quantity of light reaching > the viewfinder is 50%, but that which does is still at 100% intensity. Right answer, but I think your maths is a bit out - moving from 4 feet to 8 feet, the image fills 25% of the viewfinder (it's an area, not a length) and the light from the subject has decreased by a factor of 4. So 1/4 of the light gets focused onto 1/4 of the area, hence same brightness -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. 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(chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jan 2009 19:12:59 -0000 Message-ID: <49610A3A.2020300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:12:58 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 20:13:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49610a42145491023412894 OK, I think I've got it... and if I don't I'll quit asking. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ian Nichols wrote: > 2009/1/4 Ken Norton : >> What changes with distance is subject size. This follows the same >> square-root laws as light fall-off. So, if you consider that at 4 feet a >> subject fills the viewfinder, it is at, say 100%. But at 8 feet, the >> subject only occupies 50% of the viewfinder. The quantity of light reaching >> the viewfinder is 50%, but that which does is still at 100% intensity. > > Right answer, but I think your maths is a bit out - moving from 4 feet > to 8 feet, the image fills 25% of the viewfinder (it's an area, not a > length) and the light from the subject has decreased by a factor of 4. > So 1/4 of the light gets focused onto 1/4 of the area, hence same > brightness > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 20:19:02 2009 Received: (qmail 24653 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 19:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 19:19:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274284301C9 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B28440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:18:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B96A19ED01 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:18:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0425119ECF6 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:18:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.250]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so6880250rvb.50 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.156.2 with SMTP id d2mr8321055wfe.18.1231096736496; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:18:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901041118u208455den6e6436fa225f2f2d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:18:56 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <081601c96e63$188d7070$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <4960BF56.1020502@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 20:19:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49610ba6166441591313764 On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > I just love this "sliding scale of acceptability". Wasn't the 5D the > low-light leader and the answer to all of mankind's problems just a couple > years ago? It's amazing just how HORRID and completely unacceptable it is > now. > ;) Nothing but the best for my web images, bub! ;^) Seriously, I would have some interest in nearly anything of reasonable $$$ that offered full-frame and an OM mount. Even if noise levels were no better than the E-1 -- no problem for me. I'd even hazard the worries about the sensor getting dirty. The body would most likely live on the tripod. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 20:30:24 2009 Received: (qmail 22490 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 19:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 19:30:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF87E4302D2 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17B8440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D8519ED4C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:30:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326AF19ED46 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:30:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:30:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so7895266wfd.26 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:30:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.154.14 with SMTP id b14mr8322515wfe.69.1231097418651; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:30:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:30:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901041130y1c7e70c7j6b8adfdbab6a6688@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:30:18 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [OM] Auto WB (was "Be careful where you sit...") X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 20:30:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49610e50160551946193717 On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I always shoot everything in raw and handle white balance in post > processing. But, at the same time, I try to keep the camera's white > balance setting close to the lighting temperature I'm shooting in such > the previews of the images are reasonably close to what the final image > will look like. I follow the same practice. Being rather new to Lightroom as well as the E-3, I find the camera's auto WB quite a bit colder than I would have expected. Lightroom's auto almost always warms the image up, and even selecting "Daylight" does the same thing. The camera's auto WB is, to my eyes, almost clinically accurate. I guess that's what one wants in some objective sense, but I almost never feel anything less than a need to tweak WB in RAW development. Could be this laptop, I suppose, and Huey. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 20:50:17 2009 Received: (qmail 17112 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 19:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 19:50:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5390430252 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101E8440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE57F34AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:50:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E934034AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:50:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so7899768wfd.26 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.14.20 with SMTP id 20mr8321713wfn.227.1231098609505; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:50:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901041150y5b36465cse0c3d18220ff50b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:50:09 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9A7E7645-9C66-49AC-AB09-E8FAB2FB5A76@frozenlight.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9A7E7645-9C66-49AC-AB09-E8FAB2FB5A76@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 03/01/2009: flare, what flare? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 20:50:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496112f9184138512572685 On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Nathan wrote: > When I woke up yesterday morning and looked out the window, I saw > white. Not much, but nice to finally have some reward for enduring > sub-freezing temperatures since arriving in Poland before Christmas. > I went for my usual morning walk along the river: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#448363535_mpHEh-O-LB > > This is the kind of image where one is usually cautioned against > flare. But with a new Leica M lens, I spit on flare. That's a fine image, Nathan. Under the circumstances in which I have used the sun to create a diffraction star, I never get flare. In my experience, the circumstances seem to me to be mutually exclusive (but I could be wrong). I get flare when the entire sun is in the image, especially when the sun is the main subject of the image. I posted this image recently: http://www.flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3156333461/ This circumstance should produce no flare IMO, but there is a bit just left of center. I consider this the biggest disappointment in the otherwise fine DZ 50-200. I have wondered if there is anything I can do to reduce flare with this lens. For example, I tend not to focus on the sun itself but ahead of it, using DOF to keep everything in focus. I also tend to use one of the "better" stops like f8 or f11, so I don't know if opening or stopping down would increase or decrease the effect. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 22:00:52 2009 Received: (qmail 11159 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 21:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:00:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F045E43031E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5513440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC88D34AC009 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:00:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD7234AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:00:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16111 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 21:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:00:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <081601c96e63$188d7070$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <4960BF56.1020502@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: <3F79FC37-387D-4DF6-BB4F-975EB25CB5A0@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:00:34 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 22:00:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49612384108751073733319 Indeed, but the D3 was such a shock... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/01/2009, at 2:42 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > I just love this "sliding scale of acceptability". Wasn't the 5D the > low-light leader and the answer to all of mankind's problems just a > couple > years ago? It's amazing just how HORRID and completely > unacceptable it is > now. > ;) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 22:13:17 2009 Received: (qmail 26758 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 21:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:13:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34065430303 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:13:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18117440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0550119EFD2 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:13:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3B419EFBA for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:13:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17805 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 21:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:13:02 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> Message-Id: <32F00855-44BE-4192-A81D-46D40E9EAB7B@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:12:56 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 22:13:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961266d277071073733319 I'm having trouble with this one as well. In the studio, if I use a soft box, it's hardly a 'point source' but its output is governed by the inverse square law (thank goodness, as i have a couple of old non-adjustable heads). Again, I have noticed that if i move the camera position well back and nothing else, from an evenly lit subject such as a person against a backdrop with a similar tone to skin, then there seems to be a drop in the light reaching the camera. This made sense to me - why should there be any difference in the behavior of light emitted and light reflected? - photons are photons. Never really bothered to check it - I just check the histogram every time I change a set up significantly - but it seems to make sense. But then of course, using an incident light meter makes nonsense of all that too. Bugger - I'm confused. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/01/2009, at 5:19 AM, WayneS wrote: > The difference is not about the subject being the light source > but rather the subject is illuminated, hence its intensity is what it > is. Just because the photographer is further from the subject > does not change its illumination. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 22:13:18 2009 Received: (qmail 9063 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 21:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:13:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34436430331 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:13:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1C5440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4D819EFBA for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:13:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A18919EFC2 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:13:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17808 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 21:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:13:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090104080822.01140f98@zuik.net> References: <081601c96e63$188d7070$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104080822.01140f98@zuik.net> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:13:02 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 22:13:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961266e100561838542571 That is really very interesting. Funnily enough I was gazing lustfully at a Plaubel Makina Wide on ebay the other day - a claimed to be mint example of I think the last Nikon medium format lenses in use. But AU$3,700 was a bit rich for my blood. The use of standard FX lenses on this 'MX' rangefinder seems a bit tricky tho', especially zooms. The idea of coupling them to the rangefinder mechanically when using and adapter seems impossible so it would need some form of AF confirmation and some serious compromises, I'd imagine. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/01/2009, at 12:36 AM, WayneS wrote: > I'm having a hard time knowing what I would due with more than 12mp > on a 35mm sensor. Perhaps Nikon will mate a MF sensor to the Mamiya 7 > body. http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/09/nikon-readying.html > But I have not purchased my poster size printer yet. No wonder > we don't see DOF markings anymore. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 22:16:16 2009 Received: (qmail 7451 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 21:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:16:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A66430253 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EDB440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1545C19EFBA for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:16:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1580C19EFDF for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:16:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17938 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 21:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:16:05 -0000 In-Reply-To: <3B5BF878F7324210BE4A3B68151F0555@main> References: <9e908c1f0901011812t23eb946ft6426d73b5a7f1133@mail.gmail.com> <4901FCF4-7237-4197-9520-ED9B3651756E@threeshoes.net> <495E1FC1.9050708@chucknorcutt.com> <85B7491C-521E-4D6C-BCEB-7C333F841FAF@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901021043g40132f09r5dee97961b5dc728@mail.gmail.com> <495ED6BA.4050605@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901030917s4ad15638v533d1e0031213ebe@mail.gmail.com><9e908c1f0901030958hd732159u72511bfd422cfe40@mail.gmail.com> <495FB6C1.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> <3B5BF878F7324210BE4A3B68151F0555@main> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <37999105-553F-451A-8000-F645AC78EF80@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:15:59 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 22:16:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49612720130041499373980 I hadn't checked recently but the ebay 'completed auction' price had settled at around US$1600 for a good one, just before the Mk. 2 became available. Local price here now is about US$1400 - 1500 I think and ebay varies between $1200 -$1400 depending on condition, whether boxed and whether it's got the grip. You can get a new one but someone seems to be selling lots as two or four lens kits - an odd sales strategy. Refurbs are offered at $1500. I'd expect the used price to be lower in Asia (Japan/HK) due to lower new prices and the rapid take up of new models there. I'd hope to get a little more for mine selling locally for all the usual 'trust' and low postage reasons. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/01/2009, at 1:13 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Depends on what you expect to be a good value, the used 5D here is > around > $1100, lots of people are selling it for the Mark II. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 22:21:14 2009 Received: (qmail 23094 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 21:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:21:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA0243024E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:21:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5562D0404A for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:21:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9764634AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:21:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A7A34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:21:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 20 days 00:45:24 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-33-205.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.33.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n04LKrHV022216 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:20:55 -0200 Message-ID: <49613649.3090203@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:20:57 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <49610A3A.2020300@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49610A3A.2020300@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 22:21:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961284a273651035110158 Don't ! :-) - this is one of the most interesting threads seriously discussed since joined this list. I'm still as confused as Chuck seems to feel. Moreover, I made a carefully measured experiment when bought my T32 in the mid-eighties, and the situation seems to be similar. I will not mess my experiment with the situation being discussed now, but do continue thinking about this - I'm leaving for my summer holidays in a couple of days, and would really like to read a sensible explanation when I come back !!. I was good at physics when young, but you were good at it all your life. I have my own reasons to feel as puzzled as Chuck does. Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > OK, I think I've got it... and if I don't I'll quit asking. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 22:26:56 2009 Received: (qmail 9123 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 21:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:26:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728C64302A0 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77CA440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77CE19F03E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:26:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0673419F022 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:26:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 20 days 00:51:09 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-33-205.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.33.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n04LQHvH022477 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:26:35 -0200 Message-ID: <4961378D.2010905@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:26:21 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <32F00855-44BE-4192-A81D-46D40E9EAB7B@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <32F00855-44BE-4192-A81D-46D40E9EAB7B@people.net.au> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 22:26:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496129a0263237927319144 wow !! - now we're two, Andrew :-) Fernando Andrew Fildes wrote: > I'm having trouble with this one as well. > > [sip] > This made sense to me - why should there be any difference in the > behavior of light emitted and light reflected? - photons are photons. > > [snip] > Bugger - I'm confused. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 22:27:38 2009 Received: (qmail 8070 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 21:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:27:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C703430326 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C94440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAD119F03E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:27:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D986F19F036 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:27:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n04LRRDT031892 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:27:28 +1100 Message-Id: <200901042127.n04LRRDT031892@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:27:27 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:27:27 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 22:27:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496129c998782046811720 > WayneS wrote: > > > I guess we will just have to start focusing on artistic endeavors > instead > of megapixels. > ...and how will the marketing people deal with that ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 22:32:12 2009 Received: (qmail 3233 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 21:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:32:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F354302DE for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BB3440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE0134AC00C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:32:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112AF34AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:32:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:32:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n04LW2oo003688 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:32:02 +1100 Message-Id: <200901042132.n04LW2oo003688@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:32:02 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:32:02 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 22:32:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49612adc257865368819438 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > > I do have various white balance tools but rarely use them. In most > cases I don't want precision white balance to wash away the color of the ligthts > Yes, exactly. I suppose you could white balance a shot with only "white" light (no gels) and just use that colour temp for the whole performance. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 22:45:17 2009 Received: (qmail 32308 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 21:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:45:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642944302F5 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:45:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02142440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:45:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2AE34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:45:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5810F34AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:45:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.107]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:45:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailscan06.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.6] helo=mailscan06.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1LJamU-0005in-0x for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:45:10 -0500 Received: from impout03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.3] helo=impout03.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1LJamT-0002td-LG for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:45:09 -0500 Received: from authsmtp11.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.11]) by impout03.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id zZl91a0030EKrUA0000000; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:45:09 -0500 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.11 X-EN-IMPSID: zZl91a0030EKrUA0000000 Received: from [166.191.202.209] (helo=[10.4.67.56]) by authsmtp11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim) id 1LJamP-00041E-UR for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:45:09 -0500 Message-Id: From: Paul To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5G77) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5G77) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:43:32 -0800 X-EN-UserInfo: f33b9075ef46b3fcc37991f6412f793d:9603fff26e5d6e285341d54f8ba782c1 X-EN-AuthUser: paulb@acousticconnection.com X-EN-OrigIP: 166.191.202.209 X-EN-OrigHost: unknown Subject: [OM] Off on a cruise X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 22:45:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49612ded114171342116753 The wife and I are settling into our cabin and preparing to embark on a 7-day Carnival cruise from Long Beach to the Mexican Riviera, E-1 in tow. On our way back, it's 3 days in Vegas courtesy of a friend who's having her 40th birthday party and is paying for our rooms. Free is more gooder. I promise that this time, I'll actually post some photos when I get back. Really. "It's the miracle of Life -- ain't it good to be alive?" -- Jim Peterik "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." -- David St. Hubbins -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 22:49:49 2009 Received: (qmail 776 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 21:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:49:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04D84302DD for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DD8440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8416634AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:49:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862EB34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:49:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22156 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 21:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:49:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <200901042127.n04LRRDT031892@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200901042127.n04LRRDT031892@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-Id: <1283E97D-FCCE-43CF-BFD2-E10C0FE1232E@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:49:35 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 22:49:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49612efd133521838542571 Olympus E-30 - Toy Camera Mode Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/01/2009, at 8:27 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> I guess we will just have to start focusing on artistic endeavors >> instead >> of megapixels. >> > > ...and how will the marketing people deal with that ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jan 4 23:19:28 2009 Received: (qmail 25007 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 22:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 22:19:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0DD430326 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:19:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF1E440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:19:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA9C34AC009 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:19:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7E834AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:19:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.113]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n04MJH5e031251 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:19:18 +1100 Message-Id: <200901042219.n04MJH5e031251@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail08.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:19:17 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:19:17 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jan 4 23:19:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496135f0166391234514069 > Andrew Fildes wrote: > > I'm having trouble with this one as well. > In the studio, if I use a soft box, it's hardly a 'point source' but > its output is governed by the inverse square law (thank goodness, as > i have a couple of old non-adjustable heads). > Again, I have noticed that if i move the camera position well back > and nothing else, from an evenly lit subject such as a person against > a backdrop with a similar tone to skin, then there seems to be a drop > in the light reaching the camera. > This made sense to me - why should there be any difference in the > behavior of light emitted and light reflected? - photons are photons. > Never really bothered to check it - I just check the histogram every > time I change a set up significantly - but it seems to make sense. > But then of course, using an incident light meter makes nonsense of > all that too. > Bugger - I'm confused. Perhaps it's just a 5D problem ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 00:06:28 2009 Received: (qmail 7317 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 23:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 23:06:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A870430330 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:06:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E485440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8139934AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:06:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0107B34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:06:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2397230ywa.80 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.68.19 with SMTP id v19mr10762603ank.58.1231110382291; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:06:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:06:22 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901041118u208455den6e6436fa225f2f2d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <081601c96e63$188d7070$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <4960BF56.1020502@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901041118u208455den6e6436fa225f2f2d@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 41a6e8f4e31ae2f4 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My New Year's Eve with a 5D MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 00:06:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496140f4280591073733319 Joel Triple-E Wilcox wrote: > > Nothing but the best for my web images, bub! ;^) > So what has happened to your E-1? It's not being relegated to closet status, is it? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 00:18:51 2009 Received: (qmail 14418 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 23:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 23:18:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A2343028B for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EB7440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FC834AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:18:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E31634AC009 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:18:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:18:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so7944954wfd.26 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:18:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.32.7 with SMTP id k7mr8395434wfj.162.1231111123981; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:18:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:18:43 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 00:18:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496143db143523675314703 I've been looking among recent photos for images that show the bokeh qualities I like when working with the DZ 50-200. Here's one that's possibly serviceable: http://www.flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/with/3168574152/ (You can force a larger image and better background by clicking the slideshow icon. Sorry for inflicting Flickr.) I don't expect it to knock your socks off, but the bokeh is reasonably pleasing to me. It seems to me that 150mm is a fairly sweet spot, with aperture in the range of 5.6 to 8, or even wider if the subject doesn't require too much DOF. This image was shot horizontally but cropped vertically to produce an image that seemed somewhat more interesting to me. It was shot at ISO 800. I didn't use NR as it didn't seem to me to need any. Your sensitivity may vary. I've always sort of felt that bokeh is something managed and planned for every bit as much as it is a quality associated with a lens At any rate, I tend to blame myself for jittery backgrounds (which has probably saved me from drifting into Leica-land). Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 00:20:38 2009 Received: (qmail 29532 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 23:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 23:20:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3892143030B for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF956440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF01C19F245 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:20:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2881F19F21E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:20:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2398306ywa.80 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.126.15 with SMTP id y15mr10758033anc.123.1231111230366; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:20:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:20:30 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <200901042219.n04MJH5e031251@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200901042219.n04MJH5e031251@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4a28e8ccde077994 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 00:20:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49614446289865368819438 This discussion about inverse-square and so on, is wonderful and everything and we might even be able to improve our photography in some manner, but all it takes is one scientist-wannabe here on the list quoting from Einstein's Theory of Relativity to throw our conclusions off. I agree that this must be a "5D" issue as it works just fine on my Olympus equipment. Oh, and back to Chuck's original issue--if he is having to pull back the exposure to keep the faces from burning out, then the exposure is actually on the "over" side. In looking at his posted images, I'd suggest that the exposures really are a bit on the hot side and the background, as pretty as it is, is actually too bright. A "proper" exposure, as a general rule, is one where the skin is about one-stop brighter than mid-tone. What Chuck is doing is exposing for the shadows and compressing the highlights to keep the skin from blowing out. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 00:36:57 2009 Received: (qmail 4652 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 23:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 23:36:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9397E4302D2 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02FC440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE5819F283 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:36:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3CA19F28E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:36:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.155]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2399517ywa.80 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.164.20 with SMTP id m20mr10754731ane.121.1231112210045; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:36:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:36:50 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f08067320d9bf6d4 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 00:36:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49614819272989347015869 Joel, your images are in essence like throwing the gauntlet down. I can find my way around an exposure dial as well as the next photographer, but those pictures are excellent and as good (and better) than anything I've seen from the big dawgs. The competitor in me says that I have to beat you, but for crying out loud, there are some things I just don't see when the camera is in hand. Inotherwords, good job, bud. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 00:37:46 2009 Received: (qmail 24604 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 23:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 23:37:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA22430315 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F237C440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BED19F29C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:37:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBE719F295 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:37:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:37:39 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n04NbaC4032566 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:37:37 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:37:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 00:37:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961484a231081591313764 Joel, That image lives up to what I have heard of that lens. Beautiful image. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes > I've been looking among recent photos for images that show the bokeh > qualities I like when working with the DZ 50-200. Here's one that's > possibly serviceable: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/with/3168574152/ > > (You can force a larger image and better background by clicking the > slideshow icon. Sorry for inflicting Flickr.) > > I don't expect it to knock your socks off, but the bokeh is reasonably > pleasing to me. It seems to me that 150mm is a fairly sweet spot, > with aperture in the range of 5.6 to 8, or even wider if the subject > doesn't require too much DOF. This image was shot horizontally but > cropped vertically to produce an image that seemed somewhat more > interesting to me. It was shot at ISO 800. I didn't use NR as it > didn't seem to me to need any. Your sensitivity may vary. > > I've always sort of felt that bokeh is something managed and planned > for every bit as much as it is a quality associated with a lens At > any rate, I tend to blame myself for jittery backgrounds (which has > probably saved me from drifting into Leica-land). > > Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 00:39:14 2009 Received: (qmail 20288 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2009 23:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 23:39:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64F94302DD for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEDA440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDB119F294 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:39:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA1F19F283 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:39:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2399685ywa.80 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.109.13 with SMTP id h13mr10787448anc.21.1231112348175; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:39:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:39:08 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901041130y1c7e70c7j6b8adfdbab6a6688@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901041130y1c7e70c7j6b8adfdbab6a6688@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f769e3b1aa04882d Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Auto WB (was "Be careful where you sit...") X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 00:39:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496148a257321591313764 > > I follow the same practice. Being rather new to Lightroom as well as > the E-3, I find the camera's auto WB quite a bit colder than I would > have expected. Lightroom's auto almost always warms the image up, and > even selecting "Daylight" does the same thing. The camera's auto WB > is, to my eyes, almost clinically accurate. I guess that's what one > wants in some objective sense, but I almost never feel anything less > than a need to tweak WB in RAW development. > This is why I have the WB offset for Daylight and Auto set to "-1" in the E-1. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 03:41:32 2009 Received: (qmail 23742 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 02:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 02:41:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5964E430326 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEADD440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59D719F5E9 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:41:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6AB19F5BF for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:41:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m25.mail.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d36.38c3be5c (37050) for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB038-5c6e4961734633d; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:41:18 -0500 Received: from webmail-stg-d06 (webmail-stg-d06.sim.aol.com [205.188.162.27]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB034-5c6e4961734633d; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:41:10 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:41:10 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 208.27.111.119 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 40627-STANDARD Received: from 208.27.111.119 by webmail-stg-d06.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.27) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:41:10 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB3CF633B6FA75-1264-B4B@webmail-stg-d06.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] BFTP [was Now that all is white] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 03:41:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961735c54921585427447 Thanks for your comments, Moose. Just catching up on the list after a trip followed by a 2 day lay-up with a gastroenteritis. The year is looking up as it appears I am the first to be honored with a Moosterization in 2009. I agree that a stop more DOF would have helped 2 and 3--I should listen to Dean more and use a monopod with slower film--for 2. Precisely controlling an inch or so in the leaning while hand holding is not always easy. Number 8 was easy as it was 48 deg on a tripod and the Monarch was barely moving. I could have bracketed all variables five times over. The crop and enhancement are nice. Marnie loves 4 and wants an 8X10 for her new office. I think the original scan is OK for that size with a bit of up res. I did a trace of LCE but didn't leave enough head room on the center white part of the flower. We both like your version. If you still have your modifications, I'd very much like to have them. Oh, speaking of backfocusing there is a new gizmo for those cams with AF microadjustments--LensAlign. There are much cheaper alternatives that probably work, but it was interesting to know about. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/lensalign.shtml Mike I like the shallow DOF on 1 & 4. Less so on 7, where moving the focal plane forward would, I think, look better, and 10, where both moving the plane forward and greater DOF would make it look better to my eye. I'd also try seeing how 7, 8 & 10 look with at least some of the bottom cropped off. The way you nailed the focus on 8, I think it would look great cropped to a horizontal, so the lovely detail is highlighted. I love 4, but I like it even better with some of the tonal detail in the highlights revealed and just a touch of sharpening at display size. 2 and 3 aren't bad at the Zoto display size, but illustrate that back-focus is not solely the province of AF. ;-) Composition is fine, but they are too OOF for me at larger size. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 03:50:18 2009 Received: (qmail 30838 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 02:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 02:50:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32225430376 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:50:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEB7440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2358B34AC009 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:50:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4CD34AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:50:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:50:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21125 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 02:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2009 02:50:09 -0000 Message-ID: <49617560.3030400@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:50:08 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200901042219.n04MJH5e031251@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 03:50:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961756a64091529615919 They are definitely on the over side but not something that was readily discernible looking at the histogram. The histogram on most shows a mostly empty area on the upper two fifths of the graph but with a thin red line running along the base line and popping up as a little pip at the end indicating what I interpreted as minor hot spots in the red. Well, it's more than minor. You may reasonably conclude that the image background is overexposed but what you see is about what I saw with my eyes and that was my guide doing the post-processing. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > This discussion about inverse-square and so on, is wonderful and everything > and we might even be able to improve our photography in some manner, but all > it takes is one scientist-wannabe here on the list quoting from Einstein's > Theory of Relativity to throw our conclusions off. > I agree that this must be a "5D" issue as it works just fine on my Olympus > equipment. > > Oh, and back to Chuck's original issue--if he is having to pull back the > exposure to keep the faces from burning out, then the exposure is actually > on the "over" side. In looking at his posted images, I'd suggest that the > exposures really are a bit on the hot side and the background, as pretty as > it is, is actually too bright. A "proper" exposure, as a general rule, is > one where the skin is about one-stop brighter than mid-tone. What Chuck is > doing is exposing for the shadows and compressing the highlights to keep the > skin from blowing out. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 04:11:35 2009 Received: (qmail 19637 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 03:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 03:11:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F317430323 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F02440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:11:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453C919F684 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:11:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E43219F677 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:11:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:11:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31431 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 03:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2009 03:11:28 -0000 Message-ID: <49617A5F.2010902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:11:27 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <32F00855-44BE-4192-A81D-46D40E9EAB7B@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <32F00855-44BE-4192-A81D-46D40E9EAB7B@people.net.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 04:11:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49617a6783951823421471 I think that part of your answer is that there are point sources and there are point sources. Relative to a bare bulb your soft box from a meter away ain't much of a point source. But relative to the sky it's a pretty sharp point source. As to the rest no one has yet fully expounded on the Physics of Light 101 but I do think it's tied up in what I was calling point and extended light sources. A perfectly reflecting mirror can redirect a collimated beam of light without causing it to diverge in the way beams do from a point light source. A bare wall is a less perfect mirror which tends to reflect the light without causing it to diverge. Your subjects are even less perfect mirrors. They probably cause some divergence but not enough to get us to the inverse square law. Anyhow, that's what I think and I'll happily await any different and better explanation. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > I'm having trouble with this one as well. > In the studio, if I use a soft box, it's hardly a 'point source' but > its output is governed by the inverse square law (thank goodness, as > i have a couple of old non-adjustable heads). > Again, I have noticed that if i move the camera position well back > and nothing else, from an evenly lit subject such as a person against > a backdrop with a similar tone to skin, then there seems to be a drop > in the light reaching the camera. > This made sense to me - why should there be any difference in the > behavior of light emitted and light reflected? - photons are photons. > Never really bothered to check it - I just check the histogram every > time I change a set up significantly - but it seems to make sense. > But then of course, using an incident light meter makes nonsense of > all that too. > Bugger - I'm confused. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 05/01/2009, at 5:19 AM, WayneS wrote: > >> The difference is not about the subject being the light source >> but rather the subject is illuminated, hence its intensity is what it >> is. Just because the photographer is further from the subject >> does not change its illumination. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 04:16:52 2009 Received: (qmail 10167 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 03:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 03:16:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D259543030B for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194BE440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D73E34AC009 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:16:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6540334AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:16:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:16:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1044 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 03:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2009 03:16:45 -0000 Message-ID: <49617B9C.8090304@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:16:44 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Off on a cruise X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 04:16:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49617ba489157927319144 I saw it. A "Waltism" just slid through here. Chuck Norcutt Paul wrote: > The wife and I are settling into our cabin and preparing to embark on > a 7-day Carnival cruise from Long Beach to the Mexican Riviera, E-1 in > tow. > > On our way back, it's 3 days in Vegas courtesy of a friend who's > having her 40th birthday party and is paying for our rooms. Free is > more gooder. > > I promise that this time, I'll actually post some photos when I get > back. Really. > > > > > > "It's the miracle of Life -- ain't it good to be alive?" -- Jim Peterik > > "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." -- David St. Hubbins -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 04:20:13 2009 Received: (qmail 11175 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 03:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 03:20:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435B7430315 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C19440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:20:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8748C34AC00D for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:20:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A46A34AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:20:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2207 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 03:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2009 03:20:01 -0000 Message-ID: <49617C60.8000605@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:20:00 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 04:20:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49617c6d93231823421471 Oooh! I like that. I don't see any noise but downsizing tends to get rid of it. But I'll take your word. Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > I've been looking among recent photos for images that show the bokeh > qualities I like when working with the DZ 50-200. Here's one that's > possibly serviceable: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/with/3168574152/ > > (You can force a larger image and better background by clicking the > slideshow icon. Sorry for inflicting Flickr.) > > I don't expect it to knock your socks off, but the bokeh is reasonably > pleasing to me. It seems to me that 150mm is a fairly sweet spot, > with aperture in the range of 5.6 to 8, or even wider if the subject > doesn't require too much DOF. This image was shot horizontally but > cropped vertically to produce an image that seemed somewhat more > interesting to me. It was shot at ISO 800. I didn't use NR as it > didn't seem to me to need any. Your sensitivity may vary. > > I've always sort of felt that bokeh is something managed and planned > for every bit as much as it is a quality associated with a lens At > any rate, I tend to blame myself for jittery backgrounds (which has > probably saved me from drifting into Leica-land). > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 04:24:12 2009 Received: (qmail 22918 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 03:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 03:24:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3539D43032F for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6878E440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C85F34AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:24:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD6834AC005 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:24:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n053O0dm004777 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:24:01 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <7CABB6C8E4A84DF8AABC0253CE7BD1AF@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com><7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main><496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com><4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com><425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main><4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com><38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main><4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com><8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main><4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com><7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net><4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com><4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com><7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <32F00855-44BE-4192-A81D-46D40E9EAB7B@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:24:00 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 04:24:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49617d5c98723675314703 Not only 'point source' is governed by inverse square law, any light source that is not parallel beam or better say any divergency light souce apply the inverse square law. The light reaching the camera will NOT drop with distance if the scene is evenly illuminated and covered the whole focusing screen (i.e. the whole metering area). Unless there is strong hazy in between the object and camera. In your case the person may be a bit far away from the backdrop, the light fall on the person is stronger than the backdrop so when you move the camera away, the area of the person filling the camera is reduced so the meter read less light (because of the average metering causes error). C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" > I'm having trouble with this one as well. > In the studio, if I use a soft box, it's hardly a 'point source' but > its output is governed by the inverse square law (thank goodness, as > i have a couple of old non-adjustable heads). > Again, I have noticed that if i move the camera position well back > and nothing else, from an evenly lit subject such as a person against > a backdrop with a similar tone to skin, then there seems to be a drop > in the light reaching the camera. > This made sense to me - why should there be any difference in the > behavior of light emitted and light reflected? - photons are photons. > Never really bothered to check it - I just check the histogram every > time I change a set up significantly - but it seems to make sense. > But then of course, using an incident light meter makes nonsense of > all that too. > Bugger - I'm confused. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 05/01/2009, at 5:19 AM, WayneS wrote: > >> The difference is not about the subject being the light source >> but rather the subject is illuminated, hence its intensity is what it >> is. Just because the photographer is further from the subject >> does not change its illumination. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 04:34:26 2009 Received: (qmail 29053 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 03:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 03:34:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF81D430303 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC22440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED9319F6CB for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:34:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633F119F6C5 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:34:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n053YIlx007093 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:34:18 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <200901042219.n04MJH5e031251@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <49617560.3030400@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:34:19 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 04:34:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49617fc2103021234514069 That is the histrogram fooling you, with a dark background and very small human faces, you should only read the face value, the histrogram will show nothing because the area of the faces added together is just too tiny compare with the whole scence. I never read histrogram for stage shoots, I will only use highlight warning tool if necessary. But in most cases I just under the exposure by 1 stop to avoid over expose of object, it is any old rule written on the exposure manual "for stage shoots, set -1.5EV under exposure". If you read the face in PS, either RGB value is over 220 then it is not right to me, I won't care about the background, the object is the people. As I mentioned before, if it is necessary just use a seperate layer to light up the background, it is never a good idea to over expose the face even there is RAW headroom. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > They are definitely on the over side but not something that was readily > discernible looking at the histogram. The histogram on most shows a > mostly empty area on the upper two fifths of the graph but with a thin > red line running along the base line and popping up as a little pip at > the end indicating what I interpreted as minor hot spots in the red. > Well, it's more than minor. You may reasonably conclude that the image > background is overexposed but what you see is about what I saw with my > eyes and that was my guide doing the post-processing. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Ken Norton wrote: >> This discussion about inverse-square and so on, is wonderful and >> everything >> and we might even be able to improve our photography in some manner, but >> all >> it takes is one scientist-wannabe here on the list quoting from >> Einstein's >> Theory of Relativity to throw our conclusions off. >> I agree that this must be a "5D" issue as it works just fine on my >> Olympus >> equipment. >> >> Oh, and back to Chuck's original issue--if he is having to pull back the >> exposure to keep the faces from burning out, then the exposure is >> actually >> on the "over" side. In looking at his posted images, I'd suggest that >> the >> exposures really are a bit on the hot side and the background, as pretty >> as >> it is, is actually too bright. A "proper" exposure, as a general rule, >> is >> one where the skin is about one-stop brighter than mid-tone. What Chuck >> is >> doing is exposing for the shadows and compressing the highlights to keep >> the >> skin from blowing out. >> >> AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 04:53:57 2009 Received: (qmail 23941 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 03:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 03:53:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE914303B8 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:53:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A70440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE1019F70A for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:53:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4195A19F704 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:53:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n053rmtt011958 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:53:49 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net><32F00855-44BE-4192-A81D-46D40E9EAB7B@people.net.au> <49617A5F.2010902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:53:49 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 04:53:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49618455160062070262475 Most light source or reflected light is divergence light source, parallel light source is very rare except the guided laser beam. Any divergence light source apply the inverse square law, the sky is an exception since the area is just too big compare with the distance to the earth. Consider if you have a 100" lightbox and the distance between the lightbox and object is just 2", when you increase the distance to 4" the light intensity will be more or less the same. You are still confusing about light source and object, the truth is: - the light intensity will drop only when increasing the distance between light source and object. There is no difference if you are looking at a reflected light (the object) or the light source, the intensity on their surface does not drop with your viewing distance. The size does vary but not the intensity, the intensity will drop only when there is particles in between your view and the object. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" >I think that part of your answer is that there are point sources and > there are point sources. Relative to a bare bulb your soft box from a > meter away ain't much of a point source. But relative to the sky it's a > pretty sharp point source. > > As to the rest no one has yet fully expounded on the Physics of Light > 101 but I do think it's tied up in what I was calling point and extended > light sources. A perfectly reflecting mirror can redirect a collimated > beam of light without causing it to diverge in the way beams do from a > point light source. A bare wall is a less perfect mirror which tends to > reflect the light without causing it to diverge. Your subjects are even > less perfect mirrors. They probably cause some divergence but not > enough to get us to the inverse square law. Anyhow, that's what I think > and I'll happily await any different and better explanation. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> I'm having trouble with this one as well. >> In the studio, if I use a soft box, it's hardly a 'point source' but >> its output is governed by the inverse square law (thank goodness, as >> i have a couple of old non-adjustable heads). >> Again, I have noticed that if i move the camera position well back >> and nothing else, from an evenly lit subject such as a person against >> a backdrop with a similar tone to skin, then there seems to be a drop >> in the light reaching the camera. >> This made sense to me - why should there be any difference in the >> behavior of light emitted and light reflected? - photons are photons. >> Never really bothered to check it - I just check the histogram every >> time I change a set up significantly - but it seems to make sense. >> But then of course, using an incident light meter makes nonsense of >> all that too. >> Bugger - I'm confused. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 05/01/2009, at 5:19 AM, WayneS wrote: >> >>> The difference is not about the subject being the light source >>> but rather the subject is illuminated, hence its intensity is what it >>> is. Just because the photographer is further from the subject >>> does not change its illumination. >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 05:04:23 2009 Received: (qmail 30075 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 04:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 04:04:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423A5430321 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C88D0404A for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBA134AC009 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:04:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E759434AC002 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:04:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:04:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19382 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 04:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2009 04:04:13 -0000 Message-ID: <496186BC.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:04:12 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net><32F00855-44BE-4192-A81D-46D40E9EAB7B@people.net.au> <49617A5F.2010902@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 05:04:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496186c7215921744846740 I accept what you're saying but it is not an explanation in a physics sense. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Most light source or reflected light is divergence light source, parallel > light source is very rare except the guided laser beam. Any divergence light > source apply the inverse square law, the sky is an exception since the area > is just too big compare with the distance to the earth. Consider if you have > a 100" lightbox and the distance between the lightbox and object is just 2", > when you increase the distance to 4" the light intensity will be more or > less the same. > > You are still confusing about light source and object, the truth is: > > - the light intensity will drop only when increasing the distance between > light source and object. > > There is no difference if you are looking at a reflected light (the object) > or the light source, the intensity on their surface does not drop with your > viewing distance. The size does vary but not the intensity, the intensity > will drop only when there is particles in between your view and the object. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> I think that part of your answer is that there are point sources and >> there are point sources. Relative to a bare bulb your soft box from a >> meter away ain't much of a point source. But relative to the sky it's a >> pretty sharp point source. >> >> As to the rest no one has yet fully expounded on the Physics of Light >> 101 but I do think it's tied up in what I was calling point and extended >> light sources. A perfectly reflecting mirror can redirect a collimated >> beam of light without causing it to diverge in the way beams do from a >> point light source. A bare wall is a less perfect mirror which tends to >> reflect the light without causing it to diverge. Your subjects are even >> less perfect mirrors. They probably cause some divergence but not >> enough to get us to the inverse square law. Anyhow, that's what I think >> and I'll happily await any different and better explanation. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>> I'm having trouble with this one as well. >>> In the studio, if I use a soft box, it's hardly a 'point source' but >>> its output is governed by the inverse square law (thank goodness, as >>> i have a couple of old non-adjustable heads). >>> Again, I have noticed that if i move the camera position well back >>> and nothing else, from an evenly lit subject such as a person against >>> a backdrop with a similar tone to skin, then there seems to be a drop >>> in the light reaching the camera. >>> This made sense to me - why should there be any difference in the >>> behavior of light emitted and light reflected? - photons are photons. >>> Never really bothered to check it - I just check the histogram every >>> time I change a set up significantly - but it seems to make sense. >>> But then of course, using an incident light meter makes nonsense of >>> all that too. >>> Bugger - I'm confused. >>> Andrew Fildes >>> afildes@people.net.au >>> >>> >>> >>> On 05/01/2009, at 5:19 AM, WayneS wrote: >>> >>>> The difference is not about the subject being the light source >>>> but rather the subject is illuminated, hence its intensity is what it >>>> is. Just because the photographer is further from the subject >>>> does not change its illumination. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 07:41:46 2009 Received: (qmail 14622 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 06:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 06:41:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0523E430331 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E53440006 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E466619F953 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:41:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E9F19F951 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:41:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C683D461603 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:59:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <4C157283-C8AB-4530-A3A1-6BEABC02CA08@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:41:30 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 07:41:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961abaa105041838542571 I'm not sure that I find that bokeh pleasing or annoying, Joel: it looks just fine. But then I have not thought ill of the "bad" bokeh that various members of the List have presented for inspection from time to time. I really like some of those Grand Canyon images (it looks like GC to me), particularly the monochrome ones. I suppose that I've only every seen sunset shots from others before, but those look very good. Chris Thanks, Joel, I enjoyed the stroll through those shots. On 4 Jan 2009, at 23:18, Joel Wilcox wrote: > I've been looking among recent photos for images that show the bokeh > qualities I like when working with the DZ 50-200. Here's one that's > possibly serviceable: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/with/3168574152/ > > (You can force a larger image and better background by clicking the > slideshow icon. Sorry for inflicting Flickr.) > > I don't expect it to knock your socks off, but the bokeh is reasonably > pleasing to me. It seems to me that 150mm is a fairly sweet spot, > with aperture in the range of 5.6 to 8, or even wider if the subject > doesn't require too much DOF. This image was shot horizontally but > cropped vertically to produce an image that seemed somewhat more > interesting to me. It was shot at ISO 800. I didn't use NR as it > didn't seem to me to need any. Your sensitivity may vary. > > I've always sort of felt that bokeh is something managed and planned > for every bit as much as it is a quality associated with a lens At > any rate, I tend to blame myself for jittery backgrounds (which has > probably saved me from drifting into Leica-land). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 08:35:43 2009 Received: (qmail 22986 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 07:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 07:35:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7106943044D for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944EB440006 for ; 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5 Jan 2009 08:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 08:37:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E52D4300AA for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8A1D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:37:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFDF3610001 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:37:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B8934AC002 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:37:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.250]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so7098029rvb.50 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.69.9 with SMTP id w9mr6194926rvk.190.1231144625823; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.186.5 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:37:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <60f983080901050037h7351d778r18438fe81168f63d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:37:05 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4960DA35.3050108@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <60f983080812301539q368112f8v9ebaad2714b110e6@mail.gmail.com> <495FFDF9.7080708@gmail.com> <60f983080901040509h159bf95fv9a14a3c1ba5ffc47@mail.gmail.com> <4960DA35.3050108@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d4471947df1faee4 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My first roll self-development B&W film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 09:37:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961c6be99534673671140 Chuck, Thanks for your information, it's very helpful. --- Michael 2009/1/4 Chuck Norcutt > Moose is probably asleep so I'll answer. You can find LCE (Local > Contrast Enhancement) described on Luminous Landscape here: > > It's done using unsharp mask with unlikely parameters for typical > unsharp masking: Amount =97 20%, Radius =97 50, Threshold =97 0 > > But the description here (while not invented by him) actually originates > from Thomas Knoll who is the chief author of PhotoShop and ACR so it is > not unusual to find that it is now in ACR as well. There it is known as > the "clarity" slider. But my view of its effect in ACR is that it's > much subdued there relative to using the parameters above. Moose uses > LCE on a separate layer so that he can control the strength of the > effect with the layer's opacity control. > > According to Bruce Fraser and Jeff Schewe writing in "Real World Camera > Raw with Adobe PhotoShop CS3" the clarity slider's effect can be > simulated in PhotoShop by using unsharp mask on a separate layer with > parameters: Amount =97 15%, Radius =97 100 > "Then in the layer's Blend If option (double-click the layer icon), > select This Layer and split the highlight and shadows sliders to set the > blend range so that shadows blend from 0/100 and the highlights blend > from 127-255." > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > Michael Wong wrote: > > Moose, > > Thanks for your comment. > > > > What is LCE? Is it included in PS? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > 2009/1/4 Moose > > > >> Michael Wong wrote: > >>> http://www.fotop.net/MichaelWong/Rollei35sBW > >>> > >>> Although it's not very good, the first step is successful ^_^ > >>> > >> Michael Wong wrote: > >>> I missed the info from the website ( > >> http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html ) & it recommends 9 mins > >> developing time for Lucky 100 by TMAX developer. I made it less 2 mins, > >> maybe it caused to low contrast :-( > >> It's been something like 40 years since I developed a roll of B&W, so I > >> have no idea what the short development time would do. > >> > >> But it's only been a couple of weeks since I scanned some B&W film. It= 's > >> impossible to tell from here how much of the results is from > >> film/development and how much from scanner, scanning software and > >> operator settings. > >> > >> Using IMG3605 as an example, overall contrast is fine, in the sense th= at > >> neither highlight or shadow detail is lost at the ends of the histogra= m. > >> However, the image overall looks flat and lifeless, especially for a > >> subject so busy and full of life. As I see it, the problem is at least > >> partially in local contrast and sharpness, with lesser problems of ton= al > >> distribution. > >> > >> Although this is a film image originally, I am seeing it as a digital > >> capture, since it was scanned. Possibly as a result of the development, > >> local contrast, tonal differentiation at the edges between areas of > >> different tonal value, is very low. Also, detail actually captured by > >> lens and film is lost in the digital process. ALL digitally captured > >> images need sharpening if one wishes to see all the detail. It's nothi= ng > >> to do with the source or the nominal resolution of the sensor/scanner, > >> but with the nature of scanning of an analog image with a fixed grid. > >> I've tried to explain the reason in clear, simple terms on Zone-10. > >> < > >> > http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=3D1= 49&Itemid=3D1&limit=3D1&limitstart=3D1 > >> Here are a couple of versions of how I think the image "should" look. > >> > >> > >> I first applied noise reduction, mostly so that LCE and sharpening > >> wouldn't accentuate the grain. Then I applied LCE, Curves and > >> Sharpening. I also did use masks, so those tools were applied in > >> different amounts to different parts of the image. > >> > >> It may well be that the right film/developer combination will get you > >> negs that will print perfectly with the right paper and darkroom > >> technique. You will still need LCE and/or sharpening to get a similar > >> effect on the web for scanned images. > >> > >> All the above assumes a desire for the kind of result I linked to. The= re > >> may well be others for whom the soft, almost dreamy quality af the ima= ge > >> as-is will be preferable. > >> > >> Moose > >> -- > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >> > >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 11:34:40 2009 Received: (qmail 15520 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 10:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 10:34:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD484301C4 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:34:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4785D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C791F34AC016 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:34:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D7C34AC013 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:34:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:34:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17659 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 10:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 10:34:26 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <200901042219.n04MJH5e031251@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200901042219.n04MJH5e031251@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-Id: <1A15C428-1EF3-4529-8387-87B78F9A9C1D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:34:20 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 11:34:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961e24056531023412894 Answer the bloody question Dr Wayne - Why is light traveling between the source of illumination and the subject governed by the inverse square law while reflected light traveling between the subject and the viewer/camera is not, it seems. I know this is so otherwise the concept of an incident light meter wouldn't work but it's counterintuitive for me. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/01/2009, at 9:19 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > Perhaps it's just a 5D problem ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 11:43:15 2009 Received: (qmail 1582 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 10:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 10:43:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30AD430221 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:43:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45052D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3426134AC013 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:43:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566BD34AC00E for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:43:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18110 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 10:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n05BKMZD026826 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:20:38 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:20:22 +1100 Message-ID: <532527F72A2B4F0681697FD9145F9C49@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <1A15C428-1EF3-4529-8387-87B78F9A9C1D@people.net.au> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AclvITdZ78IcMagNR02SniMqStEcIwAApXkg Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 12:20:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961ed1513351946193717 > > Answer the bloody question Dr Wayne - > Yeah, well I forget the details (1st or 2nd year uni some 35 years ago) but I seem to remember something about it. We all seem to agree that the light intensity from a point source falls off as 1/r**2, if you put a lot of points together in a line the light intensity drops off as 1/r (I seem to remember you can "prove" this by integrating along a line from x = -infinity to +infinity). Extending this by putting a lot of lines parallel and close to each other would probably give you the 1 required (integrate the intensity from the points from x= -inf. to +inf. and y= -inf. to + inf.). Of course practically the plane of light is not infinite but it's probably a close enough approximation since the part of the plane outside the field of view of the lens doesn't contribute any light to the image anyhow. Did a quick check of Halliday & Resnick which shows this for electric field strength from an infinite sheet of electric charge so it probably holds true for any physical attribute which exhibits a 1/r**2 relationship for a point (e.g. gravity too). ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 12:36:34 2009 Received: (qmail 12786 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 11:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 11:36:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4B61C40F41 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6FBD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D1C34AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:36:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E81134AC016 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:36:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:36:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.254] (254.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.254]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F043DA3A9 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:36:20 +1300 (NZDT) From: bj@caverock.net.nz To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:36:23 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4962A787.12761.35FE682@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 04/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 12:36:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961f0c281321591313764 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes > I've been looking among recent photos for images that show the bokeh > qualities I like when working with the DZ 50-200. Here's one that's > possibly serviceable: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/with/3168574152/ This is a nice and very colouful shot. I wonder how different it would look if shot and saved as a jpeg image? Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 12:39:51 2009 Received: (qmail 7451 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 11:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 11:39:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBCD1C40F42 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD07D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081AC34AC018 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:39:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3716534AC016 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:39:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n05BdX4Q002076 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:39:43 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:39:32 +1100 Message-ID: <9A8177833B814E3DA036290028F29195@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <1A15C428-1EF3-4529-8387-87B78F9A9C1D@people.net.au> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AclvITdZ78IcMagNR02SniMqStEcIwACFskg Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 12:39:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961f187233371529615919 > > Answer the bloody question Dr Wayne - > As for your softbox example I'd guess that the light is not evenly distributed across the surface (it probably has a hot spot near the centre) which is probably why the intensity drops off more than you expect when you move the softbox away from the subject. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 13:25:54 2009 Received: (qmail 8176 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 12:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 12:25:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F196C1C40F53 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 04:25:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A66D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 04:25:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6125A19E0B2 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 04:25:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF95719E0A8 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 04:25:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 04:25:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29889 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 12:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2009 12:25:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4961FC47.4030508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:25:43 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200901042219.n04MJH5e031251@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <49617560.3030400@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 13:25:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961fc52226421470116606 I've never heard of such an exposure rule for stage shoots and this was only my second stage shoot and the first one gave me no difficulty. But after going back and taking another look at the images I have to conclude that most are overexposed to the tune of 1/2 to 1-1/2 stops. Applying a rule of -1 or even -1.5EV exposure compensation would have resulted in much better images. Not only the exposure but the ability to use a faster shutter speed. I'll have to do it differently next year. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > That is the histrogram fooling you, with a dark background and very small > human faces, you should only read the face value, the histrogram will show > nothing because the area of the faces added together is just too tiny > compare with the whole scence. I never read histrogram for stage shoots, I > will only use highlight warning tool if necessary. But in most cases I just > under the exposure by 1 stop to avoid over expose of object, it is any old > rule written on the exposure manual "for stage shoots, set -1.5EV under > exposure". > > If you read the face in PS, either RGB value is over 220 then it is not > right to me, I won't care about the background, the object is the people. As > I mentioned before, if it is necessary just use a seperate layer to light up > the background, it is never a good idea to over expose the face even there > is RAW headroom. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> They are definitely on the over side but not something that was readily >> discernible looking at the histogram. The histogram on most shows a >> mostly empty area on the upper two fifths of the graph but with a thin >> red line running along the base line and popping up as a little pip at >> the end indicating what I interpreted as minor hot spots in the red. >> Well, it's more than minor. You may reasonably conclude that the image >> background is overexposed but what you see is about what I saw with my >> eyes and that was my guide doing the post-processing. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Ken Norton wrote: >>> This discussion about inverse-square and so on, is wonderful and >>> everything >>> and we might even be able to improve our photography in some manner, but >>> all >>> it takes is one scientist-wannabe here on the list quoting from >>> Einstein's >>> Theory of Relativity to throw our conclusions off. >>> I agree that this must be a "5D" issue as it works just fine on my >>> Olympus >>> equipment. >>> >>> Oh, and back to Chuck's original issue--if he is having to pull back the >>> exposure to keep the faces from burning out, then the exposure is >>> actually >>> on the "over" side. In looking at his posted images, I'd suggest that >>> the >>> exposures really are a bit on the hot side and the background, as pretty >>> as >>> it is, is actually too bright. A "proper" exposure, as a general rule, >>> is >>> one where the skin is about one-stop brighter than mid-tone. What Chuck >>> is >>> doing is exposing for the shadows and compressing the highlights to keep >>> the >>> skin from blowing out. >>> >>> AG > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 13:37:07 2009 Received: (qmail 23247 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 12:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 12:37:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB711C40F3F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 04:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FE3D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 04:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F1834AC018 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 04:36:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E878D34AC016 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 04:36:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 04:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19538 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 12:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2009 12:36:54 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090105070240.0115cbf8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:36:45 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <496186BC.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7175E8A3D46C4889AB7A69A8293049C3@main> <496031AE.4040509@chucknorcutt.com> <4960B65B.20001@chucknorcutt.com> <425DD51D540C4FFB9E9EFF2C06C8958B@main> <4960CEC3.30208@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <32F00855-44BE-4192-A81D-46D40E9EAB7B@people.net.au> <49617A5F.2010902@chucknorcutt.com> <496186BC.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 13:37:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4961fef3113781470116606 I'm sure there is some physics explanation. But in my simple view, a subject's brightness is not dependent on the location of the viewer. The viewer does not have any effect on what is viewed (quantum mechanics and psychic phenomenon aside, and with deference to Schrodenger's Cat). Whereas if I move a light source around, what it illuminates will change. But the viewed subject's illumination is only affected by the light that illuminates it, not by the camera or viewer. The only difference is for light that reflects rather than emits from the surface of the subject, for which we photogs have polarizers. But even that will not matter as long as we remain at the same viewing angle to the subject. I think all the confusion is thinking the light from a subject is illuminating the camera. It is true that the amount of light diminishes with distance, but so does the subject size. All this has been said already. If a spot meter is aimed at an illuminated subject, the reading will not depend on distance, as long as the metered area is smaller than the subject size, simply because the subject's illumination is not dependent on the viewer. If you use an average meter, then it will show a decrease in overall scene brightness, unless there are other illuminated objects. If you call the subject a point source, then there is no meter available that can be that small, but if there were, the reading would be independent of distance on a very clear day. Another way to think about it. If you shoot with a 50mm lens at F/2, then move further away, but shoot with 100mm at F/2 such that the scene area is the same, the exposure will be the same. And the 100mm F/2 will be a larger opening so it can capture the same amount of light as the 50mm F/2. The F number being related to the focal length and lens opening. WayneS - pseudo physicist At 11:04 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote: >I accept what you're saying but it is not an explanation in a physics sense. > >Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 14:01:26 2009 Received: (qmail 22450 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 13:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 13:01:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B6A1C40F3F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:01:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33986D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DA034AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:01:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1929F34AC018 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:01:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14420 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 13:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8877C9659 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:38:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <07E9F438-0CFB-41ED-8B21-F7FC62445987@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4962049C.4050403@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:18:20 +0000 References: <2BE114C1-F722-4D40-A85B-A70207A3E31E@frozenlight.eu> <4962049C.4050403@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 53: last of 2008 / first of 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 14:18:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496208aa247341234514069 It's possible, Chuck, that the pretty face has bewitched you and caused you to drop your principles of aesthetics ... :-) Chris On 5 Jan 2009, at 13:01, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The main selection is the clear winner helped along by such a pretty > face. This one surprised me a bit since it violates one of my basic > rules for portraiture. If the subject isn't looking into the camera > she > should be looking into the photograph rather than outside the > photograph. But there are exceptions to every rule and this one works > very wel -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 14:38:31 2009 Received: (qmail 12001 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 13:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 13:38:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A03C1C40F02 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8508D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:38:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95E534AC009 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:38:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E18334AC018 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:38:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:38:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.120.227]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KD000JYF37LLA02@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:38:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:38:14 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <49620D46.9010706@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) Subject: Re: [OM] Acid Goose X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 14:38:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49620d5731951073733319 Looks like it's blasted into a sheet of copper. Cool ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ken Norton wrote: > What do you do when you are presented with a photograph that is technically > OK, but just doesn't float your boat? Well, open the file up in RAW > Therapee and start cranking sliders around until it triggers hallucinations. > > www.zone-10.com - Acid Goose. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 14:46:35 2009 Received: (qmail 3524 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 13:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 13:46:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13EC1C40F4F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9B7D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2524D34AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:46:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7025834AC018 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:46:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from blu0-omc3-s8.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s8.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.83]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:46:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU0-SMTP43 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:46:28 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [69.158.8.202] X-Originating-Email: [andrew.gullen@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: Received: from [69.158.8.202] ([69.158.8.202]) by BLU0-SMTP43.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:46:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4960B773.7020807@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <9F482C0D2D3F46BFB8DFCDE9826C58B4@hudson> <4960B773.7020807@chucknorcutt.com> From: Andrew Gullen Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:45:16 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2009 13:46:28.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[023BE390:01C96F3C] Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 14:46:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49620f3b50791946193717 Hi - I've been off-list a couple of years because life was too busy to attend to the number of emails a list generates, but I tuned in again recently. Just before Christmas I was photographing my daughter's Nutcracker production. It was hard. I was using a C-5050Z for most of it, which is marginal at ISO 200 and unacceptably noisy at 400. So I shot at 125 and 200. Stage lighting, even when it seems bright, isn't much. As Chuck said, the only opening for a shot is when they hold a pose for a moment, and even then the large majority of the shots were blurred. I have better hopes for the OM-1 shots, using Delta 3200 shot at 1600, with the Tamron 80-200/2.8 and a tripod to at least factor out shake. I got 1/60 to 1/250, depending on the lighting. We'll see when I develop it whether I got it right. It isn't easy photographing dance - people move too much. :-) After I discussed this, a friend I visited at Christmas demonstrated his D700. In low light he photographed my daughter and I at 6400, and it looked OK. Very slight blurring might have been NR or perhaps just shake. That would have been a nice tool to use... Regards, Andrew On Jan 4, 2009, at 8:19, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Thanks, but they only look OK in small sizes. Almost none of them are > truly sharp due to motion blur. And these are the best of the lot. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 15:07:33 2009 Received: (qmail 8606 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 14:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 14:07:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD5A1C40F5E for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7963AD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:07:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E50219E3C3 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:07:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B8A19E3C4 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:07:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:07:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17622 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 14:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2009 14:07:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4962141A.9030900@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:07:22 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2BE114C1-F722-4D40-A85B-A70207A3E31E@frozenlight.eu> <4962049C.4050403@chucknorcutt.com> <07E9F438-0CFB-41ED-8B21-F7FC62445987@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <07E9F438-0CFB-41ED-8B21-F7FC62445987@threeshoes.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 53: last of 2008 / first of 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 15:07:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962142543102046811720 Sshhh! Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > It's possible, Chuck, that the pretty face has bewitched you and > caused you to drop your principles of aesthetics ... :-) > > Chris > On 5 Jan 2009, at 13:01, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> The main selection is the clear winner helped along by such a pretty >> face. This one surprised me a bit since it violates one of my basic >> rules for portraiture. If the subject isn't looking into the camera >> she >> should be looking into the photograph rather than outside the >> photograph. But there are exceptions to every rule and this one works >> very wel > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 15:13:26 2009 Received: (qmail 20005 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 14:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 14:13:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569F21C40F5D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:13:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D22D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:13:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289B834AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:13:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB4834AC009 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:13:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:13:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.167.120.227]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KD0002YS4U4FH50@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:13:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:13:21 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: <495F7ED1.3060300@verizon.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <49621581.2040305@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com><495F413C.4090208@gmail.com><07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> <8ilul4hvrvf5p06qoe5utfgfvrp3rtgn6v@4ax.com> <495F7ED1.3060300@verizon.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 15:13:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49621586184458512572685 Should just unscrew, hopefully there's not loctite (or wrose) in there. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Russ Butler wrote: > Darin wrote: >> Frank, I think you've solved the puzzle! I hadn't thought of that, but now >> that I look at it a little closer, it appears to have a ring stuck on it. >> Now to figure out how to get the stuck ring off! :^) >> > > If higher friction (rubber etc. as others suggested) doesn't work, try a > drop or two of a good penetrating lubricant, like PB blaster. It's > available at auto parts stores. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 15:22:11 2009 Received: (qmail 8945 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 14:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 14:22:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013B21C40F3A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FC7D0404B for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B483434AC021 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:22:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2168C34AC025 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:22:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from blu0-omc3-s19.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s19.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.94]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU0-SMTP44 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:22:03 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [69.158.8.202] X-Originating-Email: [andrew.gullen@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: Received: from [69.158.8.202] ([69.158.8.202]) by BLU0-SMTP44.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:22:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> From: Andrew Gullen Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:21:06 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2009 14:22:02.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA55B200:01C96F40] Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 15:22:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49621792175281744846740 Hi - Ian has the right answer here. There is no difference between "source" light and reflected light. The reflected light from a person on stage that falls on a given area (like the front element of your lens, or your cornea) does indeed fall off with the square of the distance. But the area of the formed image also goes down with the square, so everything balances out. Note that if you double your distance (and cut the light fourfold), but go for a lens with twice the focal length to keep the image size the same, you need to double the diameter of the front element (I'm approximating a bit here) and thus quadruple the area of the front element, in order to gather enough light to maintain the illumination of the film/sensor. But that's just keeping the same f-stop (focal length divided by diameter). It's lovely that the physics and math of optics make photography so simple, except when we stop to think about it. :-) Andrew On Jan 4, 2009, at 13:53, Ian Nichols wrote: > > Right answer, but I think your maths is a bit out - moving from 4 feet > to 8 feet, the image fills 25% of the viewfinder (it's an area, not a > length) and the light from the subject has decreased by a factor of 4. > So 1/4 of the light gets focused onto 1/4 of the area, hence same > brightness -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 15:24:52 2009 Received: (qmail 3026 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 14:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 14:24:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75351C40F4D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427CFD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA9834AC02A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:24:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF6234AC009 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:24:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n05EOfxv012345 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:24:41 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <200901042219.n04MJH5e031251@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <49617560.3030400@chucknorcutt.com> <4961FC47.4030508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:24:41 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 15:24:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49621834117411234514069 The first time I saw the stage shoot rule was in 1972, from a Fuji compact camera user manual. It was our family camera, with a 38mm/f2.8 lens and program shutter (no battery required). It was given to our relative at end of 1970's, I still miss this camera very much. Talking about stage shoots, I have no less than 20 times experience, one of the most difficult task in exposure control. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > I've never heard of such an exposure rule for stage shoots and this was > only my second stage shoot and the first one gave me no difficulty. But > after going back and taking another look at the images I have to > conclude that most are overexposed to the tune of 1/2 to 1-1/2 stops. > Applying a rule of -1 or even -1.5EV exposure compensation would have > resulted in much better images. Not only the exposure but the ability > to use a faster shutter speed. I'll have to do it differently next year. > > Chuck Norcutt > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> That is the histrogram fooling you, with a dark background and very small >> human faces, you should only read the face value, the histrogram will >> show >> nothing because the area of the faces added together is just too tiny >> compare with the whole scence. I never read histrogram for stage shoots, >> I >> will only use highlight warning tool if necessary. But in most cases I >> just >> under the exposure by 1 stop to avoid over expose of object, it is any >> old >> rule written on the exposure manual "for stage shoots, set -1.5EV under >> exposure". >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 15:30:14 2009 Received: (qmail 12867 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 14:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 14:30:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB80E1C40F3D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0EDD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B1B34AC009 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:30:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D6A34AC018 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:30:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30564 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 14:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2009 14:30:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:30:07 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 15:30:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49621976273457350615338 The memory is weak but not wrong. I knew it had something to do with point vs. extended light sources. Read pages 60 and 62 of: Perception of the Visual Environment By Ronald G. Boothe and note the distinction between "intensity" (point source) and "luminance" (extended source) Page 63 goes on to discuss luminance from reflection. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Gullen wrote: > Hi - > > Ian has the right answer here. > > There is no difference between "source" light and reflected light. The > reflected light from a person on stage that falls on a given area (like > the front element of your lens, or your cornea) does indeed fall off > with the square of the distance. But the area of the formed image also > goes down with the square, so everything balances out. > > Note that if you double your distance (and cut the light fourfold), but > go for a lens with twice the focal length to keep the image size the > same, you need to double the diameter of the front element (I'm > approximating a bit here) and thus quadruple the area of the front > element, in order to gather enough light to maintain the illumination > of the film/sensor. But that's just keeping the same f-stop (focal > length divided by diameter). It's lovely that the physics and math of > optics make photography so simple, except when we stop to think about > it. :-) > > Andrew > > On Jan 4, 2009, at 13:53, Ian Nichols wrote: >> Right answer, but I think your maths is a bit out - moving from 4 feet >> to 8 feet, the image fills 25% of the viewfinder (it's an area, not a >> length) and the light from the subject has decreased by a factor of 4. >> So 1/4 of the light gets focused onto 1/4 of the area, hence same >> brightness > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 15:44:47 2009 Received: (qmail 2438 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 14:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 14:44:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC601C40F61 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF73DD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:44:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2EC34AC00C for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:44:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E7B34AC009 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:44:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k57so4284255rnd.13 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.41.9 with SMTP id o9mr11058435ano.39.1231166679369; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:44:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:44:39 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200901042219.n04MJH5e031251@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <49617560.3030400@chucknorcutt.com> <4961FC47.4030508@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b2ccca5083b4b021 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 15:44:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49621cdf284017350615338 To the point, there is no difference between a point-source light and a lit object when we talk about light fall-off. Absolutely none. But we're confusing this thing called "illumination". Let's take a point-source of light: One Candle. This candle emits only so many photons. With distance, these photons spread out and in any one direction, (let's say one-millionth of an arc-second) there are very few photons. Let's assume that this one-millionth of an arc-second represents ONE PIXEL on a Canon 5D at a distance of 50 meters. If we move the camera closer to the candle, another pixel will fall into another millionth of an arc-second. The first pixel receives no additional photons, it's just that now we have two pixels getting light from the candle. Why is it that all pixels in the 5D aren't being illuminated at any distance? It would if you REMOVED THE LENS!!!!!. However, Thanks to the miracles of optics, the lens on your camera is forcing the direction of these photons to land on specific pixels only. The lens's front surface area represents the "illuminated surface" and is focusing all these captured photons on specific pixels. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 16:04:59 2009 Received: (qmail 22762 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 15:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 15:04:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F4D1C40F47 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7928CD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:04:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B8434AC00C for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:04:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A45E34AC009 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:04:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:04:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18645 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 15:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2009 15:04:50 -0000 Message-ID: <49622191.4030406@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:04:49 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200901042219.n04MJH5e031251@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <49617560.3030400@chucknorcutt.com> <4961FC47.4030508@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 16:04:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962219b214722336821329 Huh? Read the link I just sent. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > To the point, there is no difference between a point-source light and a lit > object when we talk about light fall-off. Absolutely none. > > But we're confusing this thing called "illumination". > > Let's take a point-source of light: One Candle. This candle emits only so > many photons. With distance, these photons spread out and in any one > direction, (let's say one-millionth of an arc-second) there are very few > photons. Let's assume that this one-millionth of an arc-second represents > ONE PIXEL on a Canon 5D at a distance of 50 meters. If we move the camera > closer to the candle, another pixel will fall into another millionth of an > arc-second. The first pixel receives no additional photons, it's just that > now we have two pixels getting light from the candle. > > Why is it that all pixels in the 5D aren't being illuminated at any > distance? It would if you REMOVED THE LENS!!!!!. However, Thanks to the > miracles of optics, the lens on your camera is forcing the direction of > these photons to land on specific pixels only. The lens's front surface > area represents the "illuminated surface" and is focusing all these captured > photons on specific pixels. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 16:09:39 2009 Received: (qmail 16944 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 15:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 15:09:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F2D1C40F5C for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340BCD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B87934AC00C for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:09:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012FA34AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:09:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ians-mac-pro.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:09:31 +0100 Message-ID: <496222AB.4020309@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:09:31 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "olympus@thomasclausen.net >> Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2009 15:09:31.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C836DF0:01C96F47] Subject: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child - oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 16:09:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496222b37151823421471 I am trying to take more film pictures, and encouraging my son - taken by my wife with F31 http://www.thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/7009141_k2AJN#448729951_eTFZ2-M-LB -- Iechyd da IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 16:22:07 2009 Received: (qmail 20449 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 15:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 15:22:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A321C402FD for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:22:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730C4D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55AB619E6E9 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:21:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979DD19E6E5 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:21:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:21:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29769 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 15:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2009 15:21:57 -0000 Message-ID: <49622595.4080504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:21:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <496222AB.4020309@yahoo.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496222AB.4020309@yahoo.co.uk> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child - oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 16:22:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962259f40749117217770 Wow! I've never seen one of those 180/2s. Must be just the small kid but he makes the camera look huge. I'd not have guessed it to be as small as a 3Ti. Chuck Norcutt swisspace wrote: > I am trying to take more film pictures, and encouraging my son - taken > by my wife with F31 > > http://www.thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/7009141_k2AJN#448729951_eTFZ2-M-LB > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 16:28:02 2009 Received: (qmail 12845 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 15:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 15:28:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5551C40F3F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:28:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334CFD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E93434AC018 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:27:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B3334AC016 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:27:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.154]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2485834ywa.80 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.125.12 with SMTP id x12mr11076693anc.4.1231169270706; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:27:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:27:50 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <496222AB.4020309@yahoo.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <496222AB.4020309@yahoo.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: cce5fae3b5fe18e9 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child - oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 16:28:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49622702138791946193717 Oh, serious lust-factor for the big-white. :) Cute kid, I see you are doing your part to encourage the next generation. My girls got new digital cameras (pocket P&S jobbies) and I'm gob-smacked over their progress. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 16:30:26 2009 Received: (qmail 24052 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 15:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 15:30:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DACA1C40F5A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8163D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF94134AC00C for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:30:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC43434AC009 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:30:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id BDE080D07R for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:30:15 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:29:59 -0800 Message-ID: In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child -oh and me needing a haircut Thread-Index: AclvSjR/BqHAvY0ySCiTdz44bNqiTgAACcPQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2009 15:30:16.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[8241C060:01C96F4A] Subject: Re: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child -oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 16:30:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49622792145614673671140 AG Oh, serious lust-factor for the big-white. :) Cute kid, I see you are doing your part to encourage the next generation. My girls got new digital cameras (pocket P&S jobbies) and I'm gob-smacked over their progress. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought you'd be chiding him about his self-perceived need of a hair cut...... Jim ----------- Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 16:37:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49622933222161838542571 Sorry, I should have addressed that too. You are correct that line and plane sources have different falloff of illumination, like electric fields - but only when you are close enough that this makes a difference. See page 61 of this reference, where it says: However, as a practical matter, whenever the longest dimension of the surface of an emitting source is less than 1/20 of the distance from which the light is being measured, it is usually acceptable to treat it as a point source. But anyway, this is relevant only when considering gross illumination - as when you light a reflector to illuminate a subject, or use a softbox, and you're only concerned with *how much light in total* is falling on an area. It's not relevant when you focus an image of something, because in that case the contributions from each little area are not summed but fall on different parts of the film/sensor. As Ken just said. Extended light sources are a red herring in this discussion. But words are cheap - try an experiment! - Use a camera where you can lock ISO, focal length, aperture, shutter speed and white balance. (An OM-1 with film and a fixed lens would be good. :-) ) - Set up a small lit object in an otherwise dark space, e.g. a card lit with a flashlight (torch) - Determine a correct exposure by incident metering, spot metering, or trial and error. - Take a sequence of shots ranging from close to far. - In all shots, though the object's size will vary it will be properly exposed. (I'm assuming you'll actually use a digital camera. Don't use color print film as your photofinisher will adjust and invalidate everything. Slide would be OK.) You can also see this in everyday shooting, though. We don't change exposure when varying distance to the subject (except for macro, which is another topic). Sunny 16, for example, holds no matter how far you are. Manual exposure would be excruciating if this were not so - you'd have to adjust every time you changed distance. It does take some time to get one's head around this - I remember. Andrew On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:30, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The memory is weak but not wrong. I knew it had something to do with > point vs. extended light sources. Read pages 60 and 62 of: > Perception of the Visual Environment By Ronald G. Boothe and note the > distinction between "intensity" (point source) and "luminance" > (extended > source) Page 63 goes on to discuss luminance from reflection. > id=rCBuW7u6qhsC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=%22point+source%22+%22extended+sour > ce%22+light+intensity&source=web&ots=LIVAzSfvOh&sig=v8i03Qz7Eg4N1g2_lE9 > XiJG_Wd0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA60,M1> > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Andrew Gullen wrote: >> Hi - >> >> Ian has the right answer here. >> >> There is no difference between "source" light and reflected light. The >> reflected light from a person on stage that falls on a given area >> (like >> the front element of your lens, or your cornea) does indeed fall off >> with the square of the distance. But the area of the formed image also >> goes down with the square, so everything balances out. >> >> Note that if you double your distance (and cut the light fourfold), >> but >> go for a lens with twice the focal length to keep the image size the >> same, you need to double the diameter of the front element (I'm >> approximating a bit here) and thus quadruple the area of the front >> element, in order to gather enough light to maintain the illumination >> of the film/sensor. But that's just keeping the same f-stop (focal >> length divided by diameter). It's lovely that the physics and math of >> optics make photography so simple, except when we stop to think about >> it. :-) >> >> Andrew >> >> On Jan 4, 2009, at 13:53, Ian Nichols wrote: >>> Right answer, but I think your maths is a bit out - moving from 4 >>> feet >>> to 8 feet, the image fills 25% of the viewfinder (it's an area, not a >>> length) and the light from the subject has decreased by a factor of >>> 4. >>> So 1/4 of the light gets focused onto 1/4 of the area, hence same >>> brightness >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 16:40:09 2009 Received: (qmail 25921 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 15:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 15:40:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014561C40521 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:40:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF62D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B303334AC002 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:40:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.819 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.819 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.819, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF68534AC018 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:40:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.bc9.43374f46 (39329) for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:39:51 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:39:49 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5003 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Off on a cruise X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 16:40:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496229d9112062070262475 In a message dated 1/4/2009 3:45:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, cygnus@ctgonline.org writes: On our way back, it's 3 days in Vegas courtesy of a friend who's having her 40th birthday party and is paying for our rooms. Free is more gooder. Have a wonderful time. My experience has been that no trip to Vegas is a "free" trip. Bill Barber **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 16:42:43 2009 Received: (qmail 15272 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 15:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 15:42:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FB81C402FD for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF45BD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:42:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDE119E7BA for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:42:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053EB19E7D7 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:42:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ians-mac-pro.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:42:34 +0100 Message-ID: <49622A6A.2020309@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:42:34 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2009 15:42:34.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AA94820:01C96F4C] Subject: Re: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child -oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 16:42:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49622a7388571342116753 its not self perceived its wife perceived !! > > I thought you'd be chiding him about his self-perceived need of a hair > cut...... > -- Iechyd da IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 16:42:50 2009 Received: (qmail 19730 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 15:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 15:42:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DED1C40F5F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049E3D0404B for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD0D19E7BA for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:42:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777AF19E7E8 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:42:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 9EC882E3L1 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:42:35 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:42:35 -0800 Message-ID: In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Off on a cruise Thread-Index: AclvS+Z7mYYpLQw2SROJ8cKTT88c+gAAC8pw From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2009 15:42:35.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B0DAF40:01C96F4C] Subject: Re: [OM] Off on a cruise X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 16:42:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49622a7a231102070262475 Have a wonderful time. My experience has been that no trip to Vegas is a "free" trip. Bill Barber >>>>>>>>>> That's OK, they are constantly telling us that what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. That includes all your money. Jim ------------ Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 16:49:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49622c20322782046811720 BTW, sorry to go on at length in my first postings after an absence. I'm at home with a sick child... Andrew -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 16:59:09 2009 Received: (qmail 7718 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 15:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 15:59:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D491C40F4D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B926D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8C119E8B0 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:59:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D454119E8AB for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:59:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:59:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2212782and.35 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:59:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.227.6 with SMTP id z6mr11065096ang.120.1231171140876; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:59:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:59:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:59:00 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49622A6A.2020309@yahoo.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b468e8cd81e0d252 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child -oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 16:59:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49622e4d246429347015869 > > In that case, AG is, I believe, in the same boat. > Yes, it has been mentioned more than once that the hair is now long enough to donate. But I'm in my midlife crisis years. Besides, my girls like it. However, I can't doze when they're around otherwise the hair gets braided. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 17:02:05 2009 Received: (qmail 17695 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 16:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 16:02:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16EE1C40F40 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72F7D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41CA19E8C8 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:01:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3761619E8B0 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:01:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so2492422yxi.80 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.96.10 with SMTP id t10mr11087160anb.32.1231171317451; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:01:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:01:57 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 962b9bf1081b3db6 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 17:02:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49622efd226061702588592 > > But words are cheap - try an experiment! > - Use a camera where you can lock ISO, focal length, aperture, shutter > speed and white balance. > Um, you think the average Canon user knows how to do that? AG (ducking) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 17:15:59 2009 Received: (qmail 23059 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 16:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 16:15:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E9B1C40F35 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D82D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7E219E94D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:15:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A5219E944 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:15:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k57so4316950rnd.13 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.173.18 with SMTP id v18mr11104367ane.17.1231172150333; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:15:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:15:47 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <07E9F438-0CFB-41ED-8B21-F7FC62445987@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2BE114C1-F722-4D40-A85B-A70207A3E31E@frozenlight.eu> <4962049C.4050403@chucknorcutt.com> <07E9F438-0CFB-41ED-8B21-F7FC62445987@threeshoes.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ee7ccd8a36be09f4 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 53: last of 2008 / first of 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 17:15:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962323f101111234514069 > > It's possible, Chuck, that the pretty face has bewitched you and > caused you to drop your principles of aesthetics ... :-) > "Cute" is an understatement. This proves the theory that "Subject trumps Composition". I also loved the "No Airbag - We die like men" sticker too. The "two women, different worlds" photograph is a classic juxtaposition photograph that Nathan seems to pull off with aplomb. The time-exposure with the M8 caught me as the instant I saw the photograph I knew that it was not a "normal" camera-lens combination that was used to take it as it looked 3D right on my computer screen. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 18:15:44 2009 Received: (qmail 3496 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 17:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 17:15:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B211C4030D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:15:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7773D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:15:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932A919EBFE for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:15:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0050319EC08 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:15:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so969656fgb.36 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.63.19 with SMTP id l19mr7852739fga.57.1231175732718; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.77.10 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:15:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0901050915m1305c586i29657be0eae8e15f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:15:32 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <495F7ED1.3060300@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <495F3A66.8040004@gmail.com> <495F413C.4090208@gmail.com> <07F4A8A44B374390A5697C9CD6431214@daingtanfxkwk9> <8ilul4hvrvf5p06qoe5utfgfvrp3rtgn6v@4ax.com> <495F7ED1.3060300@verizon.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 18:15:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49624040281951869477228 Whew! Scared me for a minute. All this talk of friction, rubber, penetration; I thought I'd stumbled into the wrong discussion group. Charlie On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Russ Butler wrote: > Darin wrote: > > Frank, I think you've solved the puzzle! I hadn't thought of that, but > now > > that I look at it a little closer, it appears to have a ring stuck on it. > > Now to figure out how to get the stuck ring off! :^) > > > > If higher friction (rubber etc. as others suggested) doesn't work, try a > drop or two of a good penetrating lubricant, like PB blaster. It's > available at auto parts stores. > > > -- > Russ Butler (NJ USA) > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 18:26:25 2009 Received: (qmail 19100 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 17:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 17:26:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834D61C40F47 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:26:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E685D0404A for ; 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5 Jan 2009 17:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 17:36:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2722F1C407E0 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E70D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448E019ECE2 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:36:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC9619ECDD for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:36:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so8305269wfd.26 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.226.10 with SMTP id y10mr8769834wfg.3.1231177008464; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:36:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901050936s2234ee7ah42578348e99191ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:36:48 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <49622A6A.2020309@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child -oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 18:36:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49624535231262046811720 On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> In that case, AG is, I believe, in the same boat. >> > > > Yes, it has been mentioned more than once that the hair is now long enough > to donate. But I'm in my midlife crisis years. Besides, my girls like it. > However, I can't doze when they're around otherwise the hair gets braided. > > AG That's it, rub it in. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 18:40:59 2009 Received: (qmail 8215 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 17:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 17:40:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3421D1C40F44 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFC9D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3A134AC00D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:40:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD64F34AC005 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:40:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id CF36DEC10X for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:40:49 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:40:49 -0800 Message-ID: In-reply-to: <9e908c1f0901050936s2234ee7ah42578348e99191ba@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child-oh and me needing a haircut Thread-Index: AclvXEf1l6z+YhRJS/KjUiKs0TEMhgAAEzRA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2009 17:40:49.0872 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF95F500:01C96F5C] Subject: Re: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child-oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 18:40:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962462b83281838542571 >> >> Yes, it has been mentioned more than once that the hair is now long >> enough to donate. But I'm in my midlife crisis years. Besides, my >> girls like it. However, I can't doze when they're around otherwise the >> hair gets braided. > >> AG > >That's it, rub it in. > >Joel W. At least he isn't talking about his back or chest hair (we hope). Jim -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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I can find > my way around an exposure dial as well as the next photographer, but those > pictures are excellent and as good (and better) than anything I've seen from > the big dawgs. The competitor in me says that I have to beat you, but for > crying out loud, there are some things I just don't see when the camera is > in hand. Likewise, I am sure! It appears you dabbled in the photostream a bit? > Inotherwords, good job, bud. > > AG Thanks, O shaggy one. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 18:50:29 2009 Received: (qmail 13239 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 17:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 17:50:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBE31C40F5F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:50:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAB2D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:50:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0B034AC009 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:50:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF17534AC00D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:50:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k57so4355877rnd.13 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.134.17 with SMTP id h17mr744142wfd.127.1231177821599; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:50:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901050950s1e1b2ccckb70177a7d339344@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:50:21 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 18:50:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49624865159694673671140 Thanks Jim. It really works well with the E-3. I have a little more trouble getting precise focus with it at times on the E-1 and E-330. Joel W. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Joel, > > That image lives up to what I have heard of that lens. Beautiful image. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Wilcox" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 5:18 PM > Subject: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes > > >> I've been looking among recent photos for images that show the bokeh >> qualities I like when working with the DZ 50-200. Here's one that's >> possibly serviceable: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/with/3168574152/ >> >> (You can force a larger image and better background by clicking the >> slideshow icon. Sorry for inflicting Flickr.) >> >> I don't expect it to knock your socks off, but the bokeh is reasonably >> pleasing to me. It seems to me that 150mm is a fairly sweet spot, >> with aperture in the range of 5.6 to 8, or even wider if the subject >> doesn't require too much DOF. This image was shot horizontally but >> cropped vertically to produce an image that seemed somewhat more >> interesting to me. It was shot at ISO 800. I didn't use NR as it >> didn't seem to me to need any. Your sensitivity may vary. >> >> I've always sort of felt that bokeh is something managed and planned >> for every bit as much as it is a quality associated with a lens At >> any rate, I tend to blame myself for jittery backgrounds (which has >> probably saved me from drifting into Leica-land). >> >> Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 18:56:09 2009 Received: (qmail 29134 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 17:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 17:56:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077961C40F39 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E2BD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C2119EDA8 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:56:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2467319ED9C for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:56:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28219 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 17:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2009 17:55:58 -0000 Message-ID: <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:55:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 18:56:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496249b9284571529615919 I'm afraid I don't understand you and Ken bringing the action of the lens into this discussion as I don't see the relevance. This started as trying to understand why an extended light source didn't behave as a point source and lose light according to the inverse square law. I thought that the link I had posted adequately explained the physics of that without reference to cameras or lenses. After all, the lens can only work with what's impinging on its surface and has no part in how or in what intensity the light arrives. Then, what happens between front element and film/sensor is immaterial since it's the same regardless of the light source or light intensity. Finally, I don't see the relevance of the experiment you propose. All it can do is show what we all know to be true but does nothing to elucidate why that is so. But maybe if the dimensions of that card are only 5% or less of the distance between card and camera we'd see that it begins to behave as a point source. But that info came from my own reference. What am I missing? Chuck Norcutt Andrew Gullen wrote: > Sorry, I should have addressed that too. > > You are correct that line and plane sources have different falloff of > illumination, like electric fields - but only when you are close enough > that this makes a difference. See page 61 of this reference, where it > says: > > However, as a practical matter, whenever the longest dimension of > the surface > of an emitting source is less than 1/20 of the distance from which > the light is > being measured, it is usually acceptable to treat it as a point > source. > > But anyway, this is relevant only when considering gross illumination - > as when you light a reflector to illuminate a subject, or use a > softbox, and you're only concerned with *how much light in total* is > falling on an area. It's not relevant when you focus an image of > something, because in that case the contributions from each little area > are not summed but fall on different parts of the film/sensor. As Ken > just said. Extended light sources are a red herring in this discussion. > > But words are cheap - try an experiment! > - Use a camera where you can lock ISO, focal length, aperture, shutter > speed and white balance. > (An OM-1 with film and a fixed lens would be good. :-) ) > - Set up a small lit object in an otherwise dark space, e.g. a card > lit with a flashlight (torch) > - Determine a correct exposure by incident metering, spot metering, or > trial and error. > - Take a sequence of shots ranging from close to far. > - In all shots, though the object's size will vary it will be properly > exposed. > (I'm assuming you'll actually use a digital camera. Don't use color > print film as your photofinisher > will adjust and invalidate everything. Slide would be OK.) > > You can also see this in everyday shooting, though. We don't change > exposure when varying distance to the subject (except for macro, which > is another topic). Sunny 16, for example, holds no matter how far you > are. > > Manual exposure would be excruciating if this were not so - you'd have > to adjust every time you changed distance. > > It does take some time to get one's head around this - I remember. > > Andrew > > On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:30, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> The memory is weak but not wrong. I knew it had something to do with >> point vs. extended light sources. Read pages 60 and 62 of: >> Perception of the Visual Environment By Ronald G. Boothe and note the >> distinction between "intensity" (point source) and "luminance" >> (extended >> source) Page 63 goes on to discuss luminance from reflection. >> > id=rCBuW7u6qhsC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=%22point+source%22+%22extended+sour >> ce%22+light+intensity&source=web&ots=LIVAzSfvOh&sig=v8i03Qz7Eg4N1g2_lE9 >> XiJG_Wd0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA60,M1> >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Andrew Gullen wrote: >>> Hi - >>> >>> Ian has the right answer here. >>> >>> There is no difference between "source" light and reflected light. The >>> reflected light from a person on stage that falls on a given area >>> (like >>> the front element of your lens, or your cornea) does indeed fall off >>> with the square of the distance. But the area of the formed image also >>> goes down with the square, so everything balances out. >>> >>> Note that if you double your distance (and cut the light fourfold), >>> but >>> go for a lens with twice the focal length to keep the image size the >>> same, you need to double the diameter of the front element (I'm >>> approximating a bit here) and thus quadruple the area of the front >>> element, in order to gather enough light to maintain the illumination >>> of the film/sensor. But that's just keeping the same f-stop (focal >>> length divided by diameter). It's lovely that the physics and math of >>> optics make photography so simple, except when we stop to think about >>> it. :-) >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 13:53, Ian Nichols wrote: >>>> Right answer, but I think your maths is a bit out - moving from 4 >>>> feet >>>> to 8 feet, the image fills 25% of the viewfinder (it's an area, not a >>>> length) and the light from the subject has decreased by a factor of >>>> 4. >>>> So 1/4 of the light gets focused onto 1/4 of the area, hence same >>>> brightness >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 18:57:04 2009 Received: (qmail 27294 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 17:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 17:57:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8421C40F47 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09866D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F007819EDAD for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:56:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4103619EDC0 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:56:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so8313954wfd.26 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.44.11 with SMTP id r11mr8767006wfr.249.1231178217882; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:56:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901050956g3a6bc6dk2065ff380232b973@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:56:57 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <49617C60.8000605@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> <49617C60.8000605@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 18:57:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496249f0108745368819438 Either downsizing or just the fact that the image is small. Even with high ISO images I don't detect much noise until about 50% pixels, which is a pretty large image were it to be printed at that size. Thanks for looking. Joel W. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Oooh! I like that. I don't see any noise but downsizing tends to get > rid of it. But I'll take your word. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> I've been looking among recent photos for images that show the bokeh >> qualities I like when working with the DZ 50-200. Here's one that's >> possibly serviceable: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/with/3168574152/ >> >> (You can force a larger image and better background by clicking the >> slideshow icon. Sorry for inflicting Flickr.) >> >> I don't expect it to knock your socks off, but the bokeh is reasonably >> pleasing to me. It seems to me that 150mm is a fairly sweet spot, >> with aperture in the range of 5.6 to 8, or even wider if the subject >> doesn't require too much DOF. This image was shot horizontally but >> cropped vertically to produce an image that seemed somewhat more >> interesting to me. It was shot at ISO 800. I didn't use NR as it >> didn't seem to me to need any. Your sensitivity may vary. >> >> I've always sort of felt that bokeh is something managed and planned >> for every bit as much as it is a quality associated with a lens At >> any rate, I tend to blame myself for jittery backgrounds (which has >> probably saved me from drifting into Leica-land). >> >> Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 19:05:01 2009 Received: (qmail 9095 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 18:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 18:05:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8703B1C40F58 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4F8D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAEB34AC013 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:04:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9BB34AC009 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:04:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654FC4615F6 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:22:52 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901050936s2234ee7ah42578348e99191ba@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:04:51 +0000 References: <49622A6A.2020309@yahoo.co.uk> <9e908c1f0901050936s2234ee7ah42578348e99191ba@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child -oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 19:05:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49624bcd14511823421471 Yes, he's showing off, rather; some of us just don't need hair ... :-) Chris On 5 Jan 2009, at 17:36, Joel Wilcox wrote: > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >>> >>> In that case, AG is, I believe, in the same boat. >>> >> >> >> Yes, it has been mentioned more than once that the hair is now long >> enough >> to donate. But I'm in my midlife crisis years. Besides, my girls >> like it. >> However, I can't doze when they're around otherwise the hair gets >> braided. >> >> AG > > That's it, rub it in. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 19:09:29 2009 Received: (qmail 29015 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 18:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 18:09:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5A81C40F4B for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:09:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B40D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:09:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A6734AC00E for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:09:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[WHOIS_NETSOLPR=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB2F34AC00F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:09:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5440 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 18:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jan 2009 18:09:20 -0000 Message-ID: <49624CCF.2050709@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:09:19 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> <49617C60.8000605@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901050956g3a6bc6dk2065ff380232b973@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901050956g3a6bc6dk2065ff380232b973@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090104-0, 01/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 19:09:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49624cd9176002336821329 After posting this note I accidentally stumbled across the following = link on DPReview which illustrates that downsizing really doesn't do = very much in practice to reduce noise. It would if noise was random but = in the case of digital cameras with Bayer patterns sensors it's not. Check it out To quote the main point: "The mathematical theory may tell you that = downsampling works but it won=92t if your noise grains are any larger than = one pixel (and they nearly always are from a camera with a bayer color = filter array)." Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > Either downsizing or just the fact that the image is small. Even with > high ISO images I don't detect much noise until about 50% pixels, > which is a pretty large image were it to be printed at that size. > Thanks for looking. > = > Joel W. > = > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: >> Oooh! I like that. I don't see any noise but downsizing tends to get >> rid of it. But I'll take your word. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Joel Wilcox wrote: >>> I've been looking among recent photos for images that show the bokeh >>> qualities I like when working with the DZ 50-200. Here's one that's >>> possibly serviceable: >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/with/3168574152/ >>> >>> (You can force a larger image and better background by clicking the >>> slideshow icon. Sorry for inflicting Flickr.) >>> >>> I don't expect it to knock your socks off, but the bokeh is reasonably >>> pleasing to me. It seems to me that 150mm is a fairly sweet spot, >>> with aperture in the range of 5.6 to 8, or even wider if the subject >>> doesn't require too much DOF. This image was shot horizontally but >>> cropped vertically to produce an image that seemed somewhat more >>> interesting to me. It was shot at ISO 800. I didn't use NR as it >>> didn't seem to me to need any. Your sensitivity may vary. >>> >>> I've always sort of felt that bokeh is something managed and planned >>> for every bit as much as it is a quality associated with a lens At >>> any rate, I tend to blame myself for jittery backgrounds (which has >>> probably saved me from drifting into Leica-land). >>> >>> Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 19:10:19 2009 Received: (qmail 12935 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 18:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 18:10:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274A41C40F52 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63EFD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962D219EE19 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:10:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65B919EE1C for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:10:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LJtu0-0003Nl-Uo for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:10:12 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LJttv-0005VA-HP for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:10:07 +0000 Message-ID: <49624D05.7070701@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:10:13 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 19:10:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49624d0b37578512572685 Andrew Gullen wrote: > BTW, sorry to go on at length in my first postings after an absence. > I'm at home with a sick child... > > Andrew > Good to hear from you Andrew. Hope the child gets better soon... D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 19:23:11 2009 Received: (qmail 17745 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 18:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 18:23:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE581C40F63 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:23:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA42D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CACB19EE6A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:23:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21FF19EE68 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:23:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so8325230wfd.26 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.161.13 with SMTP id j13mr8778366wfe.276.1231179784232; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.12 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:23:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901051023y2587f08cya0d6d6bb09b40f9b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:23:04 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4C157283-C8AB-4530-A3A1-6BEABC02CA08@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> <4C157283-C8AB-4530-A3A1-6BEABC02CA08@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 19:23:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962500f84231993019900 "Looks fine" is good enough for me! To the degree that bokeh can be managed, I have always thought it is somewhat an illusory quality -- something that happens under some circumstances and then is attributed to this or that lens. The fact that it happens more with some lenses than others, especially in the 100mm range, suggests it is managed more readily in that range than that the lenses have a special characteristic. But then I saw a demonstration of C.H. Ling's photos of his youngster's bear in which the Z 50-250 clearly rendered a more jittery background than others. That convinced me at least that there is an "anti-bokeh" quality to some lenses at some focal lengths. Because DOF just works differently in 4/3 to what we are used to with regular Zs, I find myself always trying to re-learn how to get the blur that I want with the E-system. I've been off and on with this list lately, but I don't recall a good discussion about how to manage bokeh with DZ lenses given the fact that while the rules of DOF are changed, DOF is shifted around somewhat. We start from the assumption, or the hope, that a DZ lens in the range of one of our favorite film lenses will produce precisely the same effects in the E-system, but when you think about it, with a sensor 1/4 the area of a 35mm film strip, this doesn't really make any sense. But I risk venturing beyond my depth (and probably already have) ... Cheers, Joel W. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > I'm not sure that I find that bokeh pleasing or annoying, Joel: it > looks just fine. But then I have not thought ill of the "bad" bokeh > that various members of the List have presented for inspection from > time to time. > > I really like some of those Grand Canyon images (it looks like GC to > me), particularly the monochrome ones. I suppose that I've only every > seen sunset shots from others before, but those look very good. > > Chris > > Thanks, Joel, I enjoyed the stroll through those shots. > On 4 Jan 2009, at 23:18, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> I've been looking among recent photos for images that show the bokeh >> qualities I like when working with the DZ 50-200. Here's one that's >> possibly serviceable: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/with/3168574152/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 19:26:41 2009 Received: (qmail 22911 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 18:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 18:26:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DFE1C40F50 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:26:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60737D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:26:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530BD34AC013 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:26:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A874B34AC00E for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:26:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k57so4369813rnd.13 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.93.17 with SMTP id q17mr9006744anb.45.1231179993789; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:26:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:26:33 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49622A6A.2020309@yahoo.co.uk> <9e908c1f0901050936s2234ee7ah42578348e99191ba@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 44d13d6d5abaf31f Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child -oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 19:26:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496250e11161585427447 > > Yes, he's showing off, rather; some of us just don't need hair ... :-) > How quickly they turn... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 19:52:07 2009 Received: (qmail 16588 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 18:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 18:52:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DAF1C40F6D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4F5D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D2019EF82 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:52:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460D719EFC5 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:52:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1120 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 2009 18:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090105-0, 01/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 19:52:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496256d7141442336821329 One of the most interesting articles I've encountered on bokeh (or, according to the Wiki article, "boke" as it used to be spelled before Mike Johnston popularized the spelling with an h.) Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > "Looks fine" is good enough for me! To the degree that bokeh can be > managed, I have always thought it is somewhat an illusory quality -- > something that happens under some circumstances and then is attributed > to this or that lens. The fact that it happens more with some lenses > than others, especially in the 100mm range, suggests it is managed > more readily in that range than that the lenses have a special > characteristic. But then I saw a demonstration of C.H. Ling's photos > of his youngster's bear in which the Z 50-250 clearly rendered a more > jittery background than others. That convinced me at least that there > is an "anti-bokeh" quality to some lenses at some focal lengths. > > Because DOF just works differently in 4/3 to what we are used to with > regular Zs, I find myself always trying to re-learn how to get the > blur that I want with the E-system. I've been off and on with this > list lately, but I don't recall a good discussion about how to manage > bokeh with DZ lenses given the fact that while the rules of DOF are > changed, DOF is shifted around somewhat. We start from the > assumption, or the hope, that a DZ lens in the range of one of our > favorite film lenses will produce precisely the same effects in the > E-system, but when you think about it, with a sensor 1/4 the area of a > 35mm film strip, this doesn't really make any sense. But I risk > venturing beyond my depth (and probably already have) ... > > Cheers, > Joel W. > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Chris Barker wrote: >> I'm not sure that I find that bokeh pleasing or annoying, Joel: it >> looks just fine. But then I have not thought ill of the "bad" bokeh >> that various members of the List have presented for inspection from >> time to time. >> >> I really like some of those Grand Canyon images (it looks like GC to >> me), particularly the monochrome ones. I suppose that I've only every >> seen sunset shots from others before, but those look very good. >> >> Chris >> >> Thanks, Joel, I enjoyed the stroll through those shots. >> On 4 Jan 2009, at 23:18, Joel Wilcox wrote: >> >>> I've been looking among recent photos for images that show the bokeh >>> qualities I like when working with the DZ 50-200. Here's one that's >>> possibly serviceable: >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/with/3168574152/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 20:21:08 2009 Received: (qmail 24061 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 19:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 19:21:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6631C40F3F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:21:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BCAD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19C319F0B9 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:21:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA6B19F0AA for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:21:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl37.gs02.gridserver.com (cl37.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.46]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50784 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl37.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LJv0X-000219-83 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:21:01 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:20:59 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child -oh and me needing a haircut Thread-Index: Aclvar1O++xI6NtdEd2TLgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child -oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 20:21:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49625da4166111869477228 LOL. Mine reaches almost to my waist! Women actually tell me they're jealous and they want my hair. Its unfair, they say, that a man has more beautiful hair than we have! -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/5/09 1:26 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: >> >> Yes, he's showing off, rather; some of us just don't need hair ... :-) >> > > > How quickly they turn... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 20:49:50 2009 Received: (qmail 6581 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 19:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 19:49:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4071C40F61 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D93DD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABB119F179 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658EB19F172 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 21 days 12:49:16 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D89286E2C2 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xPnJN1pGH1wn for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A675286E2AE for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:32 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 20:49:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962645e175411035110158 > From: Chuck Norcutt > > A fixed quantity of light is expanding to > fill an ever larger virtual sphere whose surface area is increasing > according to the square of the radius (4*pi*r^2). What I don't > understand is why, once the light has struck and reflected off the > subject, why the subject is not treated as the "light source" for the > reflected light that's emanating from it in the same sense as the > sun is > a light source. I think the physics should be the same -- it's called "reciprocity:" a source of energy transmitted through a medium behaves exactly like a receiving energy sink at the same distance. What's different is focal length. If you have a zoom lens on your light source, you can defeat the square law by putting the same number of photons in a smaller cone. (Those of us who have constructed fresnel lens "hoods" for our flashes have experienced this.) If you're shooting a scene from 10 metres that fills your viewfinder, then you move to 20 metres and zoom in to capture the same scene, you're capturing the same number of photons. :::: The claim of being able to supply all the gas and oil we need if the price goes high enough is hokuspokus. No price on earth is going to create oil that isn't there. -- M. King Hubbert, 1976 :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 20:51:36 2009 Received: (qmail 5423 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 19:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 19:51:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F731C40F3C for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7744D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:51:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D541919F1A1 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:51:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B4719F19E for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:51:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 21 days 12:51:06 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:51:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0D6286E336 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:51:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CrM6ofoLAqXJ for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DDB286E327 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:51:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <690F4FA3-D2D2-4725-A266-08C75B6AE433@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:51:27 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 20:51:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496264c8101191993019900 > From: "C.H.Ling" > > Light source will not reduce intensity with distance if it is the > object you > are shooting... if the sun is the object, > the intensity will not drop with distance too. Uhm, I certainly hope so! Otherwise, the surface of the earth would more closely resemble Mercury's surface, and all of us would be getting a very bad sunburn right now... :-) :::: Terrorism is the best political weapon, for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death. -- Adolf Hitler :::: Jan Steinman -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 22:21:03 2009 Received: (qmail 8549 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 21:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 21:21:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE781C40F5C for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51098D0404A for ; 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(218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 21:49:26 -0000 In-Reply-To: <9A8177833B814E3DA036290028F29195@meo.dec.com> References: <9A8177833B814E3DA036290028F29195@meo.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:49:20 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 22:49:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49628075254041234514069 No - I expect the light to drop off if I move the softbox back (in fact, I rely on it) but what I was talking about is that if I move the camera position back from head and shoulders to full length, for instance, there seems to be a drop off, even if the subject and backdrop is evenly illuminated. It's not something I'll lose sleep over as I recheck the histogram anyway and I'm not enough of a geek to start rigorously testing it so it's merely anecdotal experience. It just puzzled me a bit. Hot spots? I'm properly baffled I'll have you know! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/01/2009, at 10:39 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >> Answer the bloody question Dr Wayne - >> > > As for your softbox example I'd guess that the light is not evenly > distributed across the surface (it probably has a hot spot near the > centre) > which is probably why the intensity drops off more than you expect > when you > move the softbox away from the subject. > > ...Wayne > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 22:52:25 2009 Received: (qmail 19981 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 21:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 21:52:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CB71C40F61 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A219CD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E20819F59E for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:52:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB74B19F599 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:52:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:52:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13604 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 21:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) 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Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/01/2009, at 3:01 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Um, you think the average Canon user knows how to do that? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 22:59:53 2009 Received: (qmail 1779 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 21:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 21:59:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF1C1C40546 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3F3D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B292C34AC016 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:59:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F6D3610001 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:59:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-web12-z01 ([10.127.132.103]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090105215944.LPLE18747.cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web12-z01>; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:59:44 +0000 Message-ID: <20090105215944.TMEB7.484254.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:59:44 -0500 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: Cc: Chris Crawford Subject: Re: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child -oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 22:59:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496282d9140631257536491 Women used to tell me that, back when I had hair. --Bob the Balding www.bwp33.com ---- Chris Crawford wrote: > LOL. Mine reaches almost to my waist! Women actually tell me they're jealous > and they want my hair. Its unfair, they say, that a man has more beautiful > hair than we have! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 23:34:35 2009 Received: (qmail 13707 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 22:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 22:34:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB93E1C40302 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31C8D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D015034AC016 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 23:34:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49628afb180921499373980 > > A bloke at work commented (referring to his own head), "grass doesn't grow > on a busy street". > It doesn't grow in a desert either. :) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jan 5 23:36:57 2009 Received: (qmail 12901 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 22:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 22:36:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790BB1C403AD for ; 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Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.142.4 with SMTP id p4mr11330919and.23.1231195010341; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:36:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:36:50 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 476b60e17fdb4001 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jan 5 23:36:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49628b8940911073733319 > > Who you callin' average?! > Present company excepted. You're obviously an abnormal Canon user. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 00:21:28 2009 Received: (qmail 28919 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 23:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 23:21:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6CA1C40F41 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3052D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A9734AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:21:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7EC34AC00C for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:21:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from blu0-omc3-s4.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s4.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.79]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU0-SMTP50 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:21:18 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [69.158.8.125] X-Originating-Email: [andrew.gullen@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: Received: from [69.158.8.125] ([69.158.8.125]) by BLU0-SMTP50.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:21:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <49624D05.7070701@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> <49624D05.7070701@blueyonder.co.uk> From: Andrew Gullen Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:20:22 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2009 23:21:17.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F65B560:01C96F8C] Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 00:21:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496295f882421470116606 Thanks, and you. Just a cold exacerbated by leaving her new lava lamp on all night and screwing up her sleep. Interesting exercise for photographic reflexes - macro photography of lava lamp shapes using available light. Level 2 - manual focus or P&S autofocus. Level 3 - film. :-) I'm still at level 2. Andrew On Jan 5, 2009, at 13:10, Donald wrote: > Andrew Gullen wrote: >> BTW, sorry to go on at length in my first postings after an absence. >> I'm at home with a sick child... >> >> Andrew >> > > Good to hear from you Andrew. Hope the child gets better soon... > > D. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 00:28:37 2009 Received: (qmail 21023 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2009 23:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 23:28:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6699E1C40F41 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2ABBD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D5419F857 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:28:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F035719F851 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:28:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from blu0-omc3-s37.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s37.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.112]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU0-SMTP44 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:28:30 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [69.158.8.125] X-Originating-Email: [andrew.gullen@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: Received: from [69.158.8.125] ([69.158.8.125]) by BLU0-SMTP44.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:28:29 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <9A8177833B814E3DA036290028F29195@meo.dec.com> From: Andrew Gullen Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:27:34 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2009 23:28:29.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[511DD030:01C96F8D] Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 00:28:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496297a5164511869477228 Ah - I see the error: should be "subject and backdrop *are* evenly illuminated". :-) Could be if you're shooting Caucasians the +1 skin values are affecting the head and shoulders shot. Try a medium grey person. If you don't have one, feed someone Vegemite. :-) Andrew On Jan 5, 2009, at 16:49, Andrew Fildes wrote: > No - I expect the light to drop off if I move the softbox back (in > fact, I rely on it) but what I was talking about is that if I move > the camera position back from head and shoulders to full length, for > instance, there seems to be a drop off, even if the subject and > backdrop is evenly illuminated. It's not something I'll lose sleep > over as I recheck the histogram anyway and I'm not enough of a geek > to start rigorously testing it so it's merely anecdotal experience. > It just puzzled me a bit. > Hot spots? I'm properly baffled I'll have you know! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 05/01/2009, at 10:39 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > >>> >>> Answer the bloody question Dr Wayne - >>> >> >> As for your softbox example I'd guess that the light is not evenly >> distributed across the surface (it probably has a hot spot near the >> centre) >> which is probably why the intensity drops off more than you expect >> when you >> move the softbox away from the subject. >> >> ...Wayne >> >> >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 01:45:35 2009 Received: (qmail 25223 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 00:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 00:45:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0531C40F43 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72067D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386F319FB1F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:45:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA6F19FB27 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:45:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from blu0-omc3-s17.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s17.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.92]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU0-SMTP40 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s17.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:45:23 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [69.158.8.125] X-Originating-Email: [andrew.gullen@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: Received: from [69.158.8.125] ([69.158.8.125]) by BLU0-SMTP40.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:45:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> From: Andrew Gullen Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:44:26 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2009 00:45:22.0394 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E645BA0:01C96F98] Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 01:45:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962a9af220841591313764 Sorry if the previous attempt didn't hit the mark. Permit me to try again. First: When we're talking about general illumination of something (e.g. a grey card), an extended light source, when you're close, does *not* behave like a point source. This is because as you pull away from the surface you start "seeing" more of the source at a higher angle, so as you pull away the spread of the light is compensated for by bigger contributions from more of the source. For an infinite plane, if you do the integral then as with an electric field you should see *no falloff at all*. This will be true whether the plane is emitting or reflecting light (assuming it reflects equally at all angles). But: People on stage are too far away for such effects to be significant - essentially we already see the whole surface. And anyway we're not interested in how their reflected light is illuminating something - we're going to focus that light into an image. The reason a lens is relevant is that it forms an image; it ideally takes all the light that falls on its front element from a point on the subject and directs it to a single point in the image, and does so for all points that are in the field of view and in focus (let's assume everything is in focus for the moment). That means a pixel (or whatever) is not illuminated by the whole extended source, as it would be without the lens - it's illuminated by all the light that was reflected from a very small area of the subject and hit the front element (I wish I could draw here). Now: You're absolutely right that the light from the object is spreading out and therefore falls off with the inverse square law. What happens if you double your distance to the subject, for example? The amount of light hitting the front element drops fourfold. But the image has shrunk to half dimensions, and the pixel is now getting light from an area on the subject that is twice as high and twice as wide, thus four times the area. That increases the amount of light fourfold, exactly compensating for the falloff. How'd I do that time? Finally, you're right about the experiment. Perhaps I misread - I wasn't sure you'd accepted the conclusion, so I was trying to establish that camera-subject distance does not affect exposure. HTH, Andrew On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:55, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I'm afraid I don't understand you and Ken bringing the action of the > lens into this discussion as I don't see the relevance. This started > as > trying to understand why an extended light source didn't behave as a > point source and lose light according to the inverse square law. I > thought that the link I had posted adequately explained the physics of > that without reference to cameras or lenses. After all, the lens can > only work with what's impinging on its surface and has no part in how > or > in what intensity the light arrives. Then, what happens between front > element and film/sensor is immaterial since it's the same regardless of > the light source or light intensity. > > Finally, I don't see the relevance of the experiment you propose. All > it can do is show what we all know to be true but does nothing to > elucidate why that is so. But maybe if the dimensions of that card are > only 5% or less of the distance between card and camera we'd see that > it > begins to behave as a point source. But that info came from my own > reference. > > What am I missing? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Andrew Gullen wrote: >> Sorry, I should have addressed that too. >> >> You are correct that line and plane sources have different falloff of >> illumination, like electric fields - but only when you are close >> enough >> that this makes a difference. See page 61 of this reference, where it >> says: >> >> However, as a practical matter, whenever the longest dimension of >> the surface >> of an emitting source is less than 1/20 of the distance from which >> the light is >> being measured, it is usually acceptable to treat it as a point >> source. >> >> But anyway, this is relevant only when considering gross illumination >> - >> as when you light a reflector to illuminate a subject, or use a >> softbox, and you're only concerned with *how much light in total* is >> falling on an area. It's not relevant when you focus an image of >> something, because in that case the contributions from each little >> area >> are not summed but fall on different parts of the film/sensor. As Ken >> just said. Extended light sources are a red herring in this >> discussion. >> >> But words are cheap - try an experiment! >> - Use a camera where you can lock ISO, focal length, aperture, >> shutter >> speed and white balance. >> (An OM-1 with film and a fixed lens would be good. :-) ) >> - Set up a small lit object in an otherwise dark space, e.g. a card >> lit with a flashlight (torch) >> - Determine a correct exposure by incident metering, spot metering, >> or >> trial and error. >> - Take a sequence of shots ranging from close to far. >> - In all shots, though the object's size will vary it will be >> properly >> exposed. >> (I'm assuming you'll actually use a digital camera. Don't use >> color >> print film as your photofinisher >> will adjust and invalidate everything. Slide would be OK.) >> >> You can also see this in everyday shooting, though. We don't change >> exposure when varying distance to the subject (except for macro, which >> is another topic). Sunny 16, for example, holds no matter how far you >> are. >> >> Manual exposure would be excruciating if this were not so - you'd have >> to adjust every time you changed distance. >> >> It does take some time to get one's head around this - I remember. >> >> Andrew >> >> On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:30, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> The memory is weak but not wrong. I knew it had something to do with >>> point vs. extended light sources. Read pages 60 and 62 of: >>> Perception of the Visual Environment By Ronald G. Boothe and note the >>> distinction between "intensity" (point source) and "luminance" >>> (extended >>> source) Page 63 goes on to discuss luminance from reflection. >>> >> id=rCBuW7u6qhsC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=%22point+source%22+%22extended+so >>> ur >>> ce%22+light+intensity&source=web&ots=LIVAzSfvOh&sig=v8i03Qz7Eg4N1g2_l >>> E9 >>> XiJG_Wd0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA60,M1> >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> Andrew Gullen wrote: >>>> Hi - >>>> >>>> Ian has the right answer here. >>>> >>>> There is no difference between "source" light and reflected light. >>>> The >>>> reflected light from a person on stage that falls on a given area >>>> (like >>>> the front element of your lens, or your cornea) does indeed fall off >>>> with the square of the distance. But the area of the formed image >>>> also >>>> goes down with the square, so everything balances out. >>>> >>>> Note that if you double your distance (and cut the light fourfold), >>>> but >>>> go for a lens with twice the focal length to keep the image size the >>>> same, you need to double the diameter of the front element (I'm >>>> approximating a bit here) and thus quadruple the area of the front >>>> element, in order to gather enough light to maintain the >>>> illumination >>>> of the film/sensor. But that's just keeping the same f-stop (focal >>>> length divided by diameter). It's lovely that the physics and math >>>> of >>>> optics make photography so simple, except when we stop to think >>>> about >>>> it. :-) >>>> >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 13:53, Ian Nichols wrote: >>>>> Right answer, but I think your maths is a bit out - moving from 4 >>>>> feet >>>>> to 8 feet, the image fills 25% of the viewfinder (it's an area, >>>>> not a >>>>> length) and the light from the subject has decreased by a factor of >>>>> 4. >>>>> So 1/4 of the light gets focused onto 1/4 of the area, hence same >>>>> brightness >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 01:47:13 2009 Received: (qmail 289 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 00:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 00:47:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B8B1C40F46 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B878D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:47:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D75B34AC028 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:47:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94E634AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:47:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c73.44e5c5e0 (34935) for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:47:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA048-5c594962a9fd29d; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:47:04 -0500 Received: from webmailbeta-m07 (webmailbeta-m07.sim.aol.com [64.12.141.99]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA037-5c594962a9fd29d; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:46:53 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:46:53 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 40627-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com (64.12.141.99) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:46:53 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB3DAF674800A6-1EE4-E6D@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 53: last of 2008 / first of 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 01:47:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962aa11309261702588592 Thanks Nathan, A great start to the New Year. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 01:56:27 2009 Received: (qmail 8168 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 00:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 00:56:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04341C40F4F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914C8D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:56:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740E819FB45 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:56:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C814019FB3F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:56:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KD000JQTYLTM7L0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:56:17 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-30.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.30]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:43:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:56:20 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkwUADo7YkkY3tge/2dsb2JhbACBZogxxBwGhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,334,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="400926454" References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Film scanning - need help X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 01:56:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962ac3b108881838542571 I spent this afternoon scanning some daylight exposed Fuji NPS 160 iso 6 x 7 colour negatives with a Nikon LS-9000 film scanner using the 8.5 pro version of VueScan. The scans were perfect. After a break of a few hours I returned to the same task. This time the preview scans all have an overall very distinct bright red hue and the unexposed strips between each negative scan are a very bright red hue indeed. Is anyone able to tell me what might be causing this VueScan red problem? When using the Nikon dedicated scanning ICE software the red problem is not evident. jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 02:21:36 2009 Received: (qmail 25315 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 01:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 01:21:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B391C40F37 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B47AD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DD534AC028 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:21:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3966B3648011 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:21:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d68.390043b2 (37566) for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB043-5c464962b209348; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:21:20 -0500 Received: from webmailbeta-m07 (webmailbeta-m07.sim.aol.com [64.12.141.99]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA014-5c464962b209348; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:21:13 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:21:13 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 40627-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com (64.12.141.99) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:21:13 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB3DB433341E6E-1EE4-FFD@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] BFTP [was G1 - Pop Photo camera of the year] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 02:21:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962b220183931342116753 I'll be watching closely as well. One odd foible with the G1, is the increased gain on the larger LCD in dim light so that WYSIWYG is not really true. In the EVF it enables proper framing etc. Could lead to improper exp if the histo isn't checked---contrary to some posts on dpr live histo is available. I think there may already a patch for the firmware though I haven't checked in a bit. The LCD reflects the exp in good light. Anything else should be user enabled as desired. Mike But the G1 has IS in it's lenses and a twist and tilt LCD, which puts it in the feature/performance category of the larger, heavier, relatively more expensive E-520. If the first Oly entry hits the mark and/or G1 prices drop enough, I could join a sub-set of the /43 ranks. Moose I'm watching closely. I will buy the first camera that comes close to replicating the function of my Mynolta A1 which has both a much larger sensor (ala 4/3) and also a very high resolution EVF. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 02:27:44 2009 Received: (qmail 15914 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 01:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 01:27:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2691C4050D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:27:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65DDD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D545334AC025 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:27:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AFD34AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:27:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:27:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zzLU1a00P1GhbT8531Tf0C; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:27:39 +0000 Received: from smailcenter87.comcast.net ([204.127.205.187]) by OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 01Tf1b00543749o3T1Tfkl; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:27:39 +0000 Received: from [71.224.233.82] by smailcenter87.comcast.net; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:27:37 +0000 From: donholbrook@comcast.net (Don Holbrook) To: olympus@thomasclausen.net (OM post) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:27:37 +0000 Message-Id: <010620090127.25514.4962B389000C0B8B000063AA22134843730501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZG9uaG9sYnJvb2tAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Resolution for '09 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 02:27:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962b390155351257536491 About a month ago, AG threatened :) to deliver a rant about closet queens. My first thought was to reply....you have no idea how many....but I let it slide. Then, for Xmas I received a 35-80, a 1.4X-A, an M-1, and a darkroom. I remembered his post, and the thought of using these one time, only to put them in the closet, became unthinkable. The time remaining to the big yard sale is getting shorter. So, for '09, each piece comes out of the closet and receives its' due. Not exactly sure how I'll proceed, but wake-up time is here. How about the rest of you? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 02:35:08 2009 Received: (qmail 25113 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 01:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 01:35:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A621C40F48 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB936D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAACF19FBB2 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:34:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB2D19FBB5 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:34:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:34:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20757 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 01:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2009 01:34:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4962B53D.8080604@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:34:53 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090105-0, 01/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 02:35:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962b54c193662070262475 Andrew, I'm not sure you have followed all of this thread. We were well beyond the point of my trying to photograph people on stage and working up some silly hypothesis about distance and the inverse square law. I was clearly in error there and realized it within the first couple of responses to my initial query. What I was trying to understand beyond that point, however, was the physics of why an extended light source does not behave the same as a point source. Andrew F. was intrigued by the same question. But somewhere in the back of my brain I dredged up some incomplete memory of extended vs point light source so did a Google search and found a perfectly fine reference book. The reference book I pointed out (and which you obviously read as well) gave what I believe to be a perfectly adequate explanation, a very simple diagram and was perfectly understandable without any references to integrals. No cameras or lenses are required in the explanation because we see it with our eyes and light meters. I still have no idea why you consider the lens and camera here to be important to the answer. The physical laws governing extended light sources have presumably been in operation since the origin of the universe when no cameras were around to observe and record it. As far as I'm concerned I adequately answered my own question. You seem to be continuing with trying to answer something that I don't think I asked. I'm still trying to understand what that is. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Gullen wrote: > Sorry if the previous attempt didn't hit the mark. Permit me to try > again. > > First: When we're talking about general illumination of something (e.g. > a grey card), an extended light source, when you're close, does *not* > behave like a point source. This is because as you pull away from the > surface you start "seeing" more of the source at a higher angle, so as > you pull away the spread of the light is compensated for by bigger > contributions from more of the source. For an infinite plane, if you do > the integral then as with an electric field you should see *no falloff > at all*. This will be true whether the plane is emitting or reflecting > light (assuming it reflects equally at all angles). > > But: People on stage are too far away for such effects to be > significant - essentially we already see the whole surface. And anyway > we're not interested in how their reflected light is illuminating > something - we're going to focus that light into an image. > > The reason a lens is relevant is that it forms an image; it ideally > takes all the light that falls on its front element from a point on the > subject and directs it to a single point in the image, and does so for > all points that are in the field of view and in focus (let's assume > everything is in focus for the moment). That means a pixel (or > whatever) is not illuminated by the whole extended source, as it would > be without the lens - it's illuminated by all the light that was > reflected from a very small area of the subject and hit the front > element (I wish I could draw here). > > Now: You're absolutely right that the light from the object is > spreading out and therefore falls off with the inverse square law. What > happens if you double your distance to the subject, for example? The > amount of light hitting the front element drops fourfold. But the image > has shrunk to half dimensions, and the pixel is now getting light from > an area on the subject that is twice as high and twice as wide, thus > four times the area. That increases the amount of light fourfold, > exactly compensating for the falloff. > > How'd I do that time? > > Finally, you're right about the experiment. Perhaps I misread - I > wasn't sure you'd accepted the conclusion, so I was trying to establish > that camera-subject distance does not affect exposure. > > HTH, > Andrew > > On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:55, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> I'm afraid I don't understand you and Ken bringing the action of the >> lens into this discussion as I don't see the relevance. This started >> as >> trying to understand why an extended light source didn't behave as a >> point source and lose light according to the inverse square law. I >> thought that the link I had posted adequately explained the physics of >> that without reference to cameras or lenses. After all, the lens can >> only work with what's impinging on its surface and has no part in how >> or >> in what intensity the light arrives. Then, what happens between front >> element and film/sensor is immaterial since it's the same regardless of >> the light source or light intensity. >> >> Finally, I don't see the relevance of the experiment you propose. All >> it can do is show what we all know to be true but does nothing to >> elucidate why that is so. But maybe if the dimensions of that card are >> only 5% or less of the distance between card and camera we'd see that >> it >> begins to behave as a point source. But that info came from my own >> reference. >> >> What am I missing? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Andrew Gullen wrote: >>> Sorry, I should have addressed that too. >>> >>> You are correct that line and plane sources have different falloff of >>> illumination, like electric fields - but only when you are close >>> enough >>> that this makes a difference. See page 61 of this reference, where it >>> says: >>> >>> However, as a practical matter, whenever the longest dimension of >>> the surface >>> of an emitting source is less than 1/20 of the distance from which >>> the light is >>> being measured, it is usually acceptable to treat it as a point >>> source. >>> >>> But anyway, this is relevant only when considering gross illumination >>> - >>> as when you light a reflector to illuminate a subject, or use a >>> softbox, and you're only concerned with *how much light in total* is >>> falling on an area. It's not relevant when you focus an image of >>> something, because in that case the contributions from each little >>> area >>> are not summed but fall on different parts of the film/sensor. As Ken >>> just said. Extended light sources are a red herring in this >>> discussion. >>> >>> But words are cheap - try an experiment! >>> - Use a camera where you can lock ISO, focal length, aperture, >>> shutter >>> speed and white balance. >>> (An OM-1 with film and a fixed lens would be good. :-) ) >>> - Set up a small lit object in an otherwise dark space, e.g. a card >>> lit with a flashlight (torch) >>> - Determine a correct exposure by incident metering, spot metering, >>> or >>> trial and error. >>> - Take a sequence of shots ranging from close to far. >>> - In all shots, though the object's size will vary it will be >>> properly >>> exposed. >>> (I'm assuming you'll actually use a digital camera. Don't use >>> color >>> print film as your photofinisher >>> will adjust and invalidate everything. Slide would be OK.) >>> >>> You can also see this in everyday shooting, though. We don't change >>> exposure when varying distance to the subject (except for macro, which >>> is another topic). Sunny 16, for example, holds no matter how far you >>> are. >>> >>> Manual exposure would be excruciating if this were not so - you'd have >>> to adjust every time you changed distance. >>> >>> It does take some time to get one's head around this - I remember. >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:30, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> >>>> The memory is weak but not wrong. I knew it had something to do with >>>> point vs. extended light sources. Read pages 60 and 62 of: >>>> Perception of the Visual Environment By Ronald G. Boothe and note the >>>> distinction between "intensity" (point source) and "luminance" >>>> (extended >>>> source) Page 63 goes on to discuss luminance from reflection. >>>> >>> id=rCBuW7u6qhsC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=%22point+source%22+%22extended+so >>>> ur >>>> ce%22+light+intensity&source=web&ots=LIVAzSfvOh&sig=v8i03Qz7Eg4N1g2_l >>>> E9 >>>> XiJG_Wd0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA60,M1> >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> Andrew Gullen wrote: >>>>> Hi - >>>>> >>>>> Ian has the right answer here. >>>>> >>>>> There is no difference between "source" light and reflected light. >>>>> The >>>>> reflected light from a person on stage that falls on a given area >>>>> (like >>>>> the front element of your lens, or your cornea) does indeed fall off >>>>> with the square of the distance. But the area of the formed image >>>>> also >>>>> goes down with the square, so everything balances out. >>>>> >>>>> Note that if you double your distance (and cut the light fourfold), >>>>> but >>>>> go for a lens with twice the focal length to keep the image size the >>>>> same, you need to double the diameter of the front element (I'm >>>>> approximating a bit here) and thus quadruple the area of the front >>>>> element, in order to gather enough light to maintain the >>>>> illumination >>>>> of the film/sensor. But that's just keeping the same f-stop (focal >>>>> length divided by diameter). It's lovely that the physics and math >>>>> of >>>>> optics make photography so simple, except when we stop to think >>>>> about >>>>> it. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Andrew >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 13:53, Ian Nichols wrote: >>>>>> Right answer, but I think your maths is a bit out - moving from 4 >>>>>> feet >>>>>> to 8 feet, the image fills 25% of the viewfinder (it's an area, >>>>>> not a >>>>>> length) and the light from the subject has decreased by a factor of >>>>>> 4. >>>>>> So 1/4 of the light gets focused onto 1/4 of the area, hence same >>>>>> brightness >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 02:36:23 2009 Received: (qmail 8562 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 01:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 01:36:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BC51C40F45 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7CDD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B742434AC028 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:36:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9952E34AC025 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:36:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:36:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.237]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n061aEdf012490 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:36:15 +1100 Message-Id: <200901060136.n061aEdf012490@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:36:14 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:36:14 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 02:36:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962b597290611035110158 > John Hudson wrote: > > After a break of a few hours I returned to the same task. This time the > preview scans all have an overall very distinct bright red hue and the > unexposed strips between each negative scan are a very bright red hue > indeed. > I have noticed some "strange" behaviour from vuescan occasionally. I would suggest shutting down your PC, power off and start again to see if that behaviour continues. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 02:43:13 2009 Received: (qmail 8977 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 01:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 01:43:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74AF1C40F5F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:43:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DE8D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF4E34AC009 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:43:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B5D34AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:43:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:43:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24056 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 01:43:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090105-0, 01/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 02:43:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962b731286622046811720 Just a wild guess. Is this possibly a scanner overheating problem? Was the scanner powered on all during the time of your break? Were the Nikon software scans you used for comparison done at a time where the scanner (if previously hot) had a chance to cool off? I don't really think this scenario is very likely but it's the only thing that pops into my head. You know that VueScan was operating correctly and that the Nikon software was operating correctly so one could infer that something funny may have been going on with the hardware in between. OK, I just thought of another possibility. VueScan's operation has been affected by a bug in itself or in the OS which only surfaced after long usage. Restart VueScan or better, reboot the system and try again. Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > I spent this afternoon scanning some daylight exposed Fuji NPS 160 iso 6 x 7 > colour negatives with a Nikon LS-9000 film scanner using the 8.5 pro version > of VueScan. The scans were perfect. > > After a break of a few hours I returned to the same task. This time the > preview scans all have an overall very distinct bright red hue and the > unexposed strips between each negative scan are a very bright red hue > indeed. > > Is anyone able to tell me what might be causing this VueScan red problem? > > When using the Nikon dedicated scanning ICE software the red problem is not > evident. > > jh > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 02:52:01 2009 Received: (qmail 21556 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 01:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 01:52:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A541C40F42 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211E0D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055FB34AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:51:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF6B34AC009 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:51:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KD100D6O1683ZK2@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:51:44 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-30.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.30]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:27:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:51:40 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkwUAA9IYkkY3tge/2dsb2JhbACBZYgxxDEGhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,334,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="459820549" References: <200901060136.n061aEdf012490@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 02:52:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962b941195309117217770 I did just that ............. the computer's light went out and mine came on ! Under the input tab in the pro 8.5 version there are sliders for red, green and blue analog gains. I think that my cat strode over the keyboard and set the red slider to the furthest extreme setting! All is now well. I have not had any bad vibes with VueScan. The infrared clean slider under the filter tab looks to work as effectively if not more so than the digital ICE option in the dedicated Nikon software. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help > > > > >> John Hudson wrote: >> >> After a break of a few hours I returned to the same task. This time the >> preview scans all have an overall very distinct bright red hue and the >> unexposed strips between each negative scan are a very bright red hue >> indeed. >> > > I have noticed some "strange" behaviour from vuescan occasionally. I > would suggest shutting down your PC, power off and start again to see if > that behaviour continues. > > ...Wayne > > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 02:56:42 2009 Received: (qmail 14519 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 01:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 01:56:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2CB1C40F4C for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1286AD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:56:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F5F19FBEA for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:56:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4F919FBE0 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:56:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from blu0-omc3-s7.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s7.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.82]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU0-SMTP45 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:56:33 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [69.158.8.125] X-Originating-Email: [andrew.gullen@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: Received: from [69.158.8.125] ([69.158.8.125]) by BLU0-SMTP45.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:56:31 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4962B53D.8080604@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> <4962B53D.8080604@chucknorcutt.com> From: Andrew Gullen Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:55:37 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2009 01:56:32.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF507310:01C96FA1] Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 02:56:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962ba5a301081234514069 I must have misunderstood and thought you were still looking for clarification of the exposure issue. Sorry. Andrew On Jan 5, 2009, at 20:34, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Andrew, I'm not sure you have followed all of this thread. We were > well > beyond the point of my trying to photograph people on stage and working > up some silly hypothesis about distance and the inverse square law. I > was clearly in error there and realized it within the first couple of > responses to my initial query. What I was trying to understand beyond > that point, however, was the physics of why an extended light source > does not behave the same as a point source. Andrew F. was intrigued by > the same question. But somewhere in the back of my brain I dredged up > some incomplete memory of extended vs point light source so did a > Google > search and found a perfectly fine reference book. > > The reference book I pointed out (and which you obviously read as well) > gave what I believe to be a perfectly adequate explanation, a very > simple diagram and was perfectly understandable without any references > to integrals. No cameras or lenses are required in the explanation > because we see it with our eyes and light meters. I still have no idea > why you consider the lens and camera here to be important to the > answer. > The physical laws governing extended light sources have presumably > been in operation since the origin of the universe when no cameras were > around to observe and record it. As far as I'm concerned I adequately > answered my own question. You seem to be continuing with trying to > answer something that I don't think I asked. I'm still trying to > understand what that is. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Andrew Gullen wrote: >> Sorry if the previous attempt didn't hit the mark. Permit me to try >> again. >> >> First: When we're talking about general illumination of something >> (e.g. >> a grey card), an extended light source, when you're close, does *not* >> behave like a point source. This is because as you pull away from the >> surface you start "seeing" more of the source at a higher angle, so as >> you pull away the spread of the light is compensated for by bigger >> contributions from more of the source. For an infinite plane, if you >> do >> the integral then as with an electric field you should see *no falloff >> at all*. This will be true whether the plane is emitting or reflecting >> light (assuming it reflects equally at all angles). >> >> But: People on stage are too far away for such effects to be >> significant - essentially we already see the whole surface. And anyway >> we're not interested in how their reflected light is illuminating >> something - we're going to focus that light into an image. >> >> The reason a lens is relevant is that it forms an image; it ideally >> takes all the light that falls on its front element from a point on >> the >> subject and directs it to a single point in the image, and does so for >> all points that are in the field of view and in focus (let's assume >> everything is in focus for the moment). That means a pixel (or >> whatever) is not illuminated by the whole extended source, as it would >> be without the lens - it's illuminated by all the light that was >> reflected from a very small area of the subject and hit the front >> element (I wish I could draw here). >> >> Now: You're absolutely right that the light from the object is >> spreading out and therefore falls off with the inverse square law. >> What >> happens if you double your distance to the subject, for example? The >> amount of light hitting the front element drops fourfold. But the >> image >> has shrunk to half dimensions, and the pixel is now getting light from >> an area on the subject that is twice as high and twice as wide, thus >> four times the area. That increases the amount of light fourfold, >> exactly compensating for the falloff. >> >> How'd I do that time? >> >> Finally, you're right about the experiment. Perhaps I misread - I >> wasn't sure you'd accepted the conclusion, so I was trying to >> establish >> that camera-subject distance does not affect exposure. >> >> HTH, >> Andrew >> >> On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:55, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> I'm afraid I don't understand you and Ken bringing the action of the >>> lens into this discussion as I don't see the relevance. This started >>> as >>> trying to understand why an extended light source didn't behave as a >>> point source and lose light according to the inverse square law. I >>> thought that the link I had posted adequately explained the physics >>> of >>> that without reference to cameras or lenses. After all, the lens can >>> only work with what's impinging on its surface and has no part in how >>> or >>> in what intensity the light arrives. Then, what happens between >>> front >>> element and film/sensor is immaterial since it's the same regardless >>> of >>> the light source or light intensity. >>> >>> Finally, I don't see the relevance of the experiment you propose. >>> All >>> it can do is show what we all know to be true but does nothing to >>> elucidate why that is so. But maybe if the dimensions of that card >>> are >>> only 5% or less of the distance between card and camera we'd see that >>> it >>> begins to behave as a point source. But that info came from my own >>> reference. >>> >>> What am I missing? >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> Andrew Gullen wrote: >>>> Sorry, I should have addressed that too. >>>> >>>> You are correct that line and plane sources have different falloff >>>> of >>>> illumination, like electric fields - but only when you are close >>>> enough >>>> that this makes a difference. See page 61 of this reference, where >>>> it >>>> says: >>>> >>>> However, as a practical matter, whenever the longest dimension >>>> of >>>> the surface >>>> of an emitting source is less than 1/20 of the distance from >>>> which >>>> the light is >>>> being measured, it is usually acceptable to treat it as a point >>>> source. >>>> >>>> But anyway, this is relevant only when considering gross >>>> illumination >>>> - >>>> as when you light a reflector to illuminate a subject, or use a >>>> softbox, and you're only concerned with *how much light in total* is >>>> falling on an area. It's not relevant when you focus an image of >>>> something, because in that case the contributions from each little >>>> area >>>> are not summed but fall on different parts of the film/sensor. As >>>> Ken >>>> just said. Extended light sources are a red herring in this >>>> discussion. >>>> >>>> But words are cheap - try an experiment! >>>> - Use a camera where you can lock ISO, focal length, aperture, >>>> shutter >>>> speed and white balance. >>>> (An OM-1 with film and a fixed lens would be good. :-) ) >>>> - Set up a small lit object in an otherwise dark space, e.g. a >>>> card >>>> lit with a flashlight (torch) >>>> - Determine a correct exposure by incident metering, spot >>>> metering, >>>> or >>>> trial and error. >>>> - Take a sequence of shots ranging from close to far. >>>> - In all shots, though the object's size will vary it will be >>>> properly >>>> exposed. >>>> (I'm assuming you'll actually use a digital camera. Don't use >>>> color >>>> print film as your photofinisher >>>> will adjust and invalidate everything. Slide would be OK.) >>>> >>>> You can also see this in everyday shooting, though. We don't change >>>> exposure when varying distance to the subject (except for macro, >>>> which >>>> is another topic). Sunny 16, for example, holds no matter how far >>>> you >>>> are. >>>> >>>> Manual exposure would be excruciating if this were not so - you'd >>>> have >>>> to adjust every time you changed distance. >>>> >>>> It does take some time to get one's head around this - I remember. >>>> >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:30, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>> >>>>> The memory is weak but not wrong. I knew it had something to do >>>>> with >>>>> point vs. extended light sources. Read pages 60 and 62 of: >>>>> Perception of the Visual Environment By Ronald G. Boothe and note >>>>> the >>>>> distinction between "intensity" (point source) and "luminance" >>>>> (extended >>>>> source) Page 63 goes on to discuss luminance from reflection. >>>>> >>>> id=rCBuW7u6qhsC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=%22point+source%22+%22extended+ >>>>> so >>>>> ur >>>>> ce%22+light+intensity&source=web&ots=LIVAzSfvOh&sig=v8i03Qz7Eg4N1g2 >>>>> _l >>>>> E9 >>>>> XiJG_Wd0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA60,M1> >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Andrew Gullen wrote: >>>>>> Hi - >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian has the right answer here. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no difference between "source" light and reflected light. >>>>>> The >>>>>> reflected light from a person on stage that falls on a given area >>>>>> (like >>>>>> the front element of your lens, or your cornea) does indeed fall >>>>>> off >>>>>> with the square of the distance. But the area of the formed image >>>>>> also >>>>>> goes down with the square, so everything balances out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that if you double your distance (and cut the light >>>>>> fourfold), >>>>>> but >>>>>> go for a lens with twice the focal length to keep the image size >>>>>> the >>>>>> same, you need to double the diameter of the front element (I'm >>>>>> approximating a bit here) and thus quadruple the area of the front >>>>>> element, in order to gather enough light to maintain the >>>>>> illumination >>>>>> of the film/sensor. But that's just keeping the same f-stop (focal >>>>>> length divided by diameter). It's lovely that the physics and math >>>>>> of >>>>>> optics make photography so simple, except when we stop to think >>>>>> about >>>>>> it. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 13:53, Ian Nichols wrote: >>>>>>> Right answer, but I think your maths is a bit out - moving from 4 >>>>>>> feet >>>>>>> to 8 feet, the image fills 25% of the viewfinder (it's an area, >>>>>>> not a >>>>>>> length) and the light from the subject has decreased by a factor >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> 4. >>>>>>> So 1/4 of the light gets focused onto 1/4 of the area, hence >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> brightness >>>>> -- >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 03:16:26 2009 Received: (qmail 157 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 02:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 02:16:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E287D1C407EC for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AA3D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:16:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADF934AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:16:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CB234AC025 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:16:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6098 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 02:16:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2009 02:16:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4962BEED.60509@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:16:13 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <38F4BF42027145869440CC5D922D2CFB@main> <4960DC50.6020709@chucknorcutt.com> <8756DA4CE1C848FD842CC8602CACC442@main> <4960E6A6.2080006@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104120815.0113b450@zuik.net> <4960F2B6.4030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4960F7BB.2000402@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090104131707.011166c8@zuik.net> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> <4962B53D.8080604@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090105-0, 01/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 03:16:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962befa82117927319144 Well thanks for trying. Although I understand the exposure issue and how I got where I am I'm not sure I'm really up to the task of dealing with the aftermath of my exposure errors. ACR does a good job but I'm beginning to understand that I'm still a novice driver. And how dumb am I? I was just thinking today that my 5D (which I've owned for about 3 years) has a perfectly fine spot meter... which I've never used. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Gullen wrote: > I must have misunderstood and thought you were still looking for > clarification of the exposure issue. Sorry. > > Andrew > > On Jan 5, 2009, at 20:34, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Andrew, I'm not sure you have followed all of this thread. We were >> well >> beyond the point of my trying to photograph people on stage and working >> up some silly hypothesis about distance and the inverse square law. I >> was clearly in error there and realized it within the first couple of >> responses to my initial query. What I was trying to understand beyond >> that point, however, was the physics of why an extended light source >> does not behave the same as a point source. Andrew F. was intrigued by >> the same question. But somewhere in the back of my brain I dredged up >> some incomplete memory of extended vs point light source so did a >> Google >> search and found a perfectly fine reference book. >> >> The reference book I pointed out (and which you obviously read as well) >> gave what I believe to be a perfectly adequate explanation, a very >> simple diagram and was perfectly understandable without any references >> to integrals. No cameras or lenses are required in the explanation >> because we see it with our eyes and light meters. I still have no idea >> why you consider the lens and camera here to be important to the >> answer. >> The physical laws governing extended light sources have presumably >> been in operation since the origin of the universe when no cameras were >> around to observe and record it. As far as I'm concerned I adequately >> answered my own question. You seem to be continuing with trying to >> answer something that I don't think I asked. I'm still trying to >> understand what that is. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Andrew Gullen wrote: >>> Sorry if the previous attempt didn't hit the mark. Permit me to try >>> again. >>> >>> First: When we're talking about general illumination of something >>> (e.g. >>> a grey card), an extended light source, when you're close, does *not* >>> behave like a point source. This is because as you pull away from the >>> surface you start "seeing" more of the source at a higher angle, so as >>> you pull away the spread of the light is compensated for by bigger >>> contributions from more of the source. For an infinite plane, if you >>> do >>> the integral then as with an electric field you should see *no falloff >>> at all*. This will be true whether the plane is emitting or reflecting >>> light (assuming it reflects equally at all angles). >>> >>> But: People on stage are too far away for such effects to be >>> significant - essentially we already see the whole surface. And anyway >>> we're not interested in how their reflected light is illuminating >>> something - we're going to focus that light into an image. >>> >>> The reason a lens is relevant is that it forms an image; it ideally >>> takes all the light that falls on its front element from a point on >>> the >>> subject and directs it to a single point in the image, and does so for >>> all points that are in the field of view and in focus (let's assume >>> everything is in focus for the moment). That means a pixel (or >>> whatever) is not illuminated by the whole extended source, as it would >>> be without the lens - it's illuminated by all the light that was >>> reflected from a very small area of the subject and hit the front >>> element (I wish I could draw here). >>> >>> Now: You're absolutely right that the light from the object is >>> spreading out and therefore falls off with the inverse square law. >>> What >>> happens if you double your distance to the subject, for example? The >>> amount of light hitting the front element drops fourfold. But the >>> image >>> has shrunk to half dimensions, and the pixel is now getting light from >>> an area on the subject that is twice as high and twice as wide, thus >>> four times the area. That increases the amount of light fourfold, >>> exactly compensating for the falloff. >>> >>> How'd I do that time? >>> >>> Finally, you're right about the experiment. Perhaps I misread - I >>> wasn't sure you'd accepted the conclusion, so I was trying to >>> establish >>> that camera-subject distance does not affect exposure. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Andrew >>> >>> On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:55, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> >>>> I'm afraid I don't understand you and Ken bringing the action of the >>>> lens into this discussion as I don't see the relevance. This started >>>> as >>>> trying to understand why an extended light source didn't behave as a >>>> point source and lose light according to the inverse square law. I >>>> thought that the link I had posted adequately explained the physics >>>> of >>>> that without reference to cameras or lenses. After all, the lens can >>>> only work with what's impinging on its surface and has no part in how >>>> or >>>> in what intensity the light arrives. Then, what happens between >>>> front >>>> element and film/sensor is immaterial since it's the same regardless >>>> of >>>> the light source or light intensity. >>>> >>>> Finally, I don't see the relevance of the experiment you propose. >>>> All >>>> it can do is show what we all know to be true but does nothing to >>>> elucidate why that is so. But maybe if the dimensions of that card >>>> are >>>> only 5% or less of the distance between card and camera we'd see that >>>> it >>>> begins to behave as a point source. But that info came from my own >>>> reference. >>>> >>>> What am I missing? >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> Andrew Gullen wrote: >>>>> Sorry, I should have addressed that too. >>>>> >>>>> You are correct that line and plane sources have different falloff >>>>> of >>>>> illumination, like electric fields - but only when you are close >>>>> enough >>>>> that this makes a difference. See page 61 of this reference, where >>>>> it >>>>> says: >>>>> >>>>> However, as a practical matter, whenever the longest dimension >>>>> of >>>>> the surface >>>>> of an emitting source is less than 1/20 of the distance from >>>>> which >>>>> the light is >>>>> being measured, it is usually acceptable to treat it as a point >>>>> source. >>>>> >>>>> But anyway, this is relevant only when considering gross >>>>> illumination >>>>> - >>>>> as when you light a reflector to illuminate a subject, or use a >>>>> softbox, and you're only concerned with *how much light in total* is >>>>> falling on an area. It's not relevant when you focus an image of >>>>> something, because in that case the contributions from each little >>>>> area >>>>> are not summed but fall on different parts of the film/sensor. As >>>>> Ken >>>>> just said. Extended light sources are a red herring in this >>>>> discussion. >>>>> >>>>> But words are cheap - try an experiment! >>>>> - Use a camera where you can lock ISO, focal length, aperture, >>>>> shutter >>>>> speed and white balance. >>>>> (An OM-1 with film and a fixed lens would be good. :-) ) >>>>> - Set up a small lit object in an otherwise dark space, e.g. a >>>>> card >>>>> lit with a flashlight (torch) >>>>> - Determine a correct exposure by incident metering, spot >>>>> metering, >>>>> or >>>>> trial and error. >>>>> - Take a sequence of shots ranging from close to far. >>>>> - In all shots, though the object's size will vary it will be >>>>> properly >>>>> exposed. >>>>> (I'm assuming you'll actually use a digital camera. Don't use >>>>> color >>>>> print film as your photofinisher >>>>> will adjust and invalidate everything. Slide would be OK.) >>>>> >>>>> You can also see this in everyday shooting, though. We don't change >>>>> exposure when varying distance to the subject (except for macro, >>>>> which >>>>> is another topic). Sunny 16, for example, holds no matter how far >>>>> you >>>>> are. >>>>> >>>>> Manual exposure would be excruciating if this were not so - you'd >>>>> have >>>>> to adjust every time you changed distance. >>>>> >>>>> It does take some time to get one's head around this - I remember. >>>>> >>>>> Andrew >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:30, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The memory is weak but not wrong. I knew it had something to do >>>>>> with >>>>>> point vs. extended light sources. Read pages 60 and 62 of: >>>>>> Perception of the Visual Environment By Ronald G. Boothe and note >>>>>> the >>>>>> distinction between "intensity" (point source) and "luminance" >>>>>> (extended >>>>>> source) Page 63 goes on to discuss luminance from reflection. >>>>>> >>>>> id=rCBuW7u6qhsC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=%22point+source%22+%22extended+ >>>>>> so >>>>>> ur >>>>>> ce%22+light+intensity&source=web&ots=LIVAzSfvOh&sig=v8i03Qz7Eg4N1g2 >>>>>> _l >>>>>> E9 >>>>>> XiJG_Wd0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA60,M1> >>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew Gullen wrote: >>>>>>> Hi - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ian has the right answer here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no difference between "source" light and reflected light. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> reflected light from a person on stage that falls on a given area >>>>>>> (like >>>>>>> the front element of your lens, or your cornea) does indeed fall >>>>>>> off >>>>>>> with the square of the distance. But the area of the formed image >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> goes down with the square, so everything balances out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note that if you double your distance (and cut the light >>>>>>> fourfold), >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> go for a lens with twice the focal length to keep the image size >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> same, you need to double the diameter of the front element (I'm >>>>>>> approximating a bit here) and thus quadruple the area of the front >>>>>>> element, in order to gather enough light to maintain the >>>>>>> illumination >>>>>>> of the film/sensor. But that's just keeping the same f-stop (focal >>>>>>> length divided by diameter). It's lovely that the physics and math >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> optics make photography so simple, except when we stop to think >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> it. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 13:53, Ian Nichols wrote: >>>>>>>> Right answer, but I think your maths is a bit out - moving from 4 >>>>>>>> feet >>>>>>>> to 8 feet, the image fills 25% of the viewfinder (it's an area, >>>>>>>> not a >>>>>>>> length) and the light from the subject has decreased by a factor >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> 4. >>>>>>>> So 1/4 of the light gets focused onto 1/4 of the area, hence >>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>> brightness >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 03:16:41 2009 Received: (qmail 22758 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 02:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 02:16:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C91B1C40F5E for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:16:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FE0D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:16:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0681934AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:16:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.817 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.817 required=7 tests=[MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.819, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C02334AC00F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:16:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 06 Jan 2009 13:16:31 +1100 Message-ID: <100-fbbe6249-37012.007@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:16:27 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <010620090127.25514.4962B389000C0B8B000063AA22134843730501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> References: <010620090127.25514.4962B389000C0B8B000063AA22134843730501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution for '09 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 03:16:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962bf0956862046811720 Hi Don, Dibbs on the Zuiko 35-80 F2.8 if thats what it is. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ "Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm halfway through my fish burger and I realize, Oh my God... I could be eating a slow learner." --Lynda Montgomery -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 03:30:27 2009 Received: (qmail 1383 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 02:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 02:30:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E511C40F42 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:30:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F12D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C30134AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:30:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5D934AC00F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:30:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2314444and.35 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.227.6 with SMTP id z6mr11413191ang.34.1231209020724; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:30:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:30:20 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4962BEED.60509@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> <4962B53D.8080604@chucknorcutt.com> <4962BEED.60509@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9852f5d8c450c064 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 03:30:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962c24343869347015869 > > I was just thinking today that my 5D (which I've owned for about 3 > years) has a perfectly fine spot meter... which I've never used. > What did I just say about average Canon users? :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 03:32:10 2009 Received: (qmail 30264 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 02:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 02:32:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFEA1C40F5B for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1B0D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:32:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31A019FC52 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:32:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4027419FC45 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:32:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:32:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50980 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LK1jc-0004Si-EM for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:32:00 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:31:58 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Resolution for '09 Thread-Index: AclvpvJ4MQfU6duaEd2SZgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <010620090127.25514.4962B389000C0B8B000063AA22134843730501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution for '09 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 03:32:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962c2aa176611234514069 I don't have any closet queens, I can't afford to collect. Everything I have now gets used day in and day out for my work, including all of my OM gear. If I could afford it, I'd have (and use) a 35-80 Zuiko along with a few other OM items that will likely never make their way into my bag. I sold a print last week..YAY! The photo was made with OM gear. http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/new-mexico/photopages/w aldo-canyon2.htm I used an OM-4T and, I think, a 50mm f1.8 mij Zuiko. Film was Ilford Pan F developed in Rodinal. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/5/09 8:27 PM, "Don Holbrook" wrote: > About a month ago, AG threatened :) to deliver a rant about closet queens. My > first thought was to reply....you have no idea how many....but I let it slide. > Then, for Xmas I received a 35-80, a 1.4X-A, an M-1, and a darkroom. I > remembered his post, and the thought of using these one time, only to put them > in the closet, became unthinkable. The time remaining to the big yard sale is > getting shorter. So, for '09, each piece comes out of the closet and receives > its' due. Not exactly sure how I'll proceed, but wake-up time is here. How > about the rest of you? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 03:33:59 2009 Received: (qmail 16757 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 02:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 02:33:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C14B1C40F42 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7AAD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B9919FC4F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:33:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B11A19FC45 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:33:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2314755and.35 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.134.16 with SMTP id h16mr11404079and.42.1231209232142; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:33:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:33:52 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200901060136.n061aEdf012490@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a4dd337fd6c40133 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 03:33:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962c317210737350615338 > > Under the input tab in the pro 8.5 version there are sliders for red, green > and blue analog gains. I think that my cat strode over the keyboard and set > the red slider to the furthest extreme setting! > I'm about to tell my "RF the Cat" story again.... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 03:38:38 2009 Received: (qmail 1134 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 02:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 02:38:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E4F1C4050B for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F995D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:38:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA81A19FC64 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:38:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0C719FC59 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:38:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip06.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.84]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KD100JGY3C6LYT0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:38:30 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-30.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.30]) by ip06.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:45:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:38:32 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <33758BFC018247D2B9D4365FAA8B79E3@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkwUAJpSYkkY3tge/2dsb2JhbACBZogxxBsGhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,334,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="457157071" References: <010620090127.25514.4962B389000C0B8B000063AA22134843730501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> <100-fbbe6249-37012.007@comkal.net> Subject: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 03:38:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962c42e91842336821329 Keith Allchin, a member of this list, very kindly referred me to this website www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk from which I went straight to: www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk/gallery_146163.html The photos were taken with an E-3 and a DZ 50-200mm lens The distance from the camera to the dam wall seen in two of the images is 3.55 miles. The reservoir is just west of Sheffield, England and was the site of the trial runs for the 1943 RAF Dambusters raid over Germany. The images are quite a tribute to the 50-200 lens. jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 03:41:26 2009 Received: (qmail 8816 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 02:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 02:41:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627D21C40F4F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:41:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B09D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:41:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A2134AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:41:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBB234AC00F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:41:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:41:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50034 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LK1se-00048r-VO for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:41:21 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:41:18 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Film scanning - need help Thread-Index: AclvqEBBfrtJHdubEd22eQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 03:41:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962c4d6153171023412894 My cat is too fat to jump up to the keyboard! 20lb and 15 yrs old. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/5/09 9:33 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: >> >> Under the input tab in the pro 8.5 version there are sliders for red, green >> and blue analog gains. I think that my cat strode over the keyboard and set >> the red slider to the furthest extreme setting! >> > > > I'm about to tell my "RF the Cat" story again.... > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 04:09:53 2009 Received: (qmail 5064 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 03:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 03:09:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D84A1C40F48 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A4FD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9D719FCC4 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:09:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E926319FCDB for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:09:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.108]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11175 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2009 03:09:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vw4W0GAVM1mIfuIDM4ADK9DoCeTqSC_FEGL2B4e2R9XDCae92vl1mS3iwKZ.LXrC3WEeiAwAoNXM1u70phSTeb2CXSU_rtkedANEIuSRsiiuTtU3ie4FHya9pYJlLHh_TCCWox1mMCU6yJyPi6.Dllh70tESsN5W4vUbK5hA3QXrFcfXEYIEhRF4Y6iyvgtpm.HNPKHY4aJrzrYNf7nq15WOPTaBlC8Y3zNJCn4IPPw- Received: from [70.231.249.143] by web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:09:45 PST X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:09:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0901050915m1305c586i29657be0eae8e15f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <210912.10662.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 04:09:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962cb8195221470116606 HarbourFreight currently has special on rubber strap wrenches 2 different sizes for US $3. I am not sure whether these ones are narrow enough, but you could check their website and call them: http://www.harborfreightusa.com/usa/tabviewer/startBrowseBook.do?bookid=229&preview=true&type=RET&simple=&r=3867_338719 I have an actual narrow instrument one I use, but if these are not super wide the should work. Tim Hughes --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > From: Charles Geilfuss > Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 9:15 AM > Whew! Scared me for a minute. All this talk of friction, > rubber, > penetration; I thought I'd stumbled into the wrong > discussion group. > > Charlie > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Russ Butler > wrote: > > > Darin wrote: > > > Frank, I think you've solved the puzzle! I > hadn't thought of that, but > > now > > > that I look at it a little closer, it appears to > have a ring stuck on it. > > > Now to figure out how to get the stuck ring off! > :^) > > > > > > > If higher friction (rubber etc. as others suggested) > doesn't work, try a > > drop or two of a good penetrating lubricant, like PB > blaster. It's > > available at auto parts stores. > > > > > > -- > > Russ Butler (NJ USA) > > -- > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 04:31:41 2009 Received: (qmail 32074 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 03:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 03:31:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5A81C40F37 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254F4D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103B934AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:31:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1218034AC00F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:31:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.239]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n063VWjB009170 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:31:33 +1100 Message-Id: <200901060331.n063VWjB009170@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:31:32 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:31:32 +1100 Subject: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 04:31:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962d09d55861470116606 I just took delivery of an item of OM gear which seems to have a light coating of brown "stuff" over it which I suspect is tar from cigarette smoke. What is the recommended solvent for removing this scum ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 04:38:58 2009 Received: (qmail 21335 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 03:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 03:38:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848DD1C40F53 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199E5D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B32619FD2E for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:38:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E1E19FD2A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:38:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl37.gs02.gridserver.com (cl37.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.46]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:38:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50317 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl37.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LK2mJ-0006uG-Bn for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:38:51 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:38:49 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Equipment cleanup Thread-Index: AclvsEk2h+AbbtujEd2NZgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <200901060331.n063VWjB009170@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 04:38:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9994 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962d252120881744846740 Ick. When I was in Santa Fe, I worked for a few months at a camera store out there. There was a regular customer, a very talented photographer, who smoked 5000 packs a day. No, I'm not kidding...very much...lol He had a gravelly voice, could barely breathe and smelled like a giant cigarette. One day he brings in his Nikon Coolscan 5000, says he's scanned all his film and is now shooting digital so he wants to sell it on consignment. It took one of the girls I worked with 3 days of scrubbing with windex-soaked paper towels to remove the THICK layer of tar from this thing. We prayed that the optics inside weren't coated...didn't want to try taking it apart! -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/5/09 10:31 PM, "Wayne Harridge" wrote: > I just took delivery of an item of OM gear which seems to have a light coating > of brown "stuff" over it which I suspect is tar from cigarette smoke. > > What is the recommended solvent for removing this scum ? > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 04:58:42 2009 Received: (qmail 24491 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 03:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 03:58:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40F71C40F48 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2FED0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E99434AC018 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:58:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5BD34AC00F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:58:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16409 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 03:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090105-0, 01/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 04:58:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962d6f1130541234514069 Ah, the things that cause tech support people to tear out their hair. :-) Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > I did just that ............. the computer's light went out and mine came on > ! > > Under the input tab in the pro 8.5 version there are sliders for red, green > and blue analog gains. I think that my cat strode over the keyboard and set > the red slider to the furthest extreme setting! > > All is now well. > > I have not had any bad vibes with VueScan. The infrared clean slider under > the filter tab looks to work as effectively if not more so than the digital > ICE option in the dedicated Nikon software. > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Harridge" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help > > >> >> >> >>> John Hudson wrote: >>> >>> After a break of a few hours I returned to the same task. This time the >>> preview scans all have an overall very distinct bright red hue and the >>> unexposed strips between each negative scan are a very bright red hue >>> indeed. >>> >> I have noticed some "strange" behaviour from vuescan occasionally. I >> would suggest shutting down your PC, power off and start again to see if >> that behaviour continues. >> >> ...Wayne >> >> >> Wayne Harridge >> >> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 05:01:07 2009 Received: (qmail 23146 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 04:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 04:01:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA841C40F54 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877CDD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C6934AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:01:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FDC34AC00F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:00:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17833 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 04:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090105-0, 01/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 05:01:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962d783236174673671140 Interesting. I thought evil cats could just will it to be so. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > My cat is too fat to jump up to the keyboard! > > 20lb and 15 yrs old. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 05:03:43 2009 Received: (qmail 16042 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 04:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 04:03:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BF41C40F55 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:03:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52E9D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9740634AC00F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:03:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D366834AC01F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:03:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k57so4520795rnd.13 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.15 with SMTP id d15mr11440510anc.69.1231214615108; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:03:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:03:35 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200901060331.n063VWjB009170@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7a439d17ba18eee0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 05:03:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962d81f138989117217770 > > One day he brings in his Nikon Coolscan 5000, says he's scanned all his > film > and is now shooting digital so he wants to sell it on consignment. It took > one of the girls I worked with 3 days of scrubbing with windex-soaked paper > towels to remove the THICK layer of tar from this thing. We prayed that the > optics inside weren't coated...didn't want to try taking it apart! > I used to work for an electronics manufacturer. One day we took back in for refurb about $100,000 worth of digital audio equipment and computers. It was used in a radio station where the entire staff were chain-smokers. Upon the arrival of the boxes at the factory, we immediately took the entire shipment down to the car wash where we power-washed it It is amazing to see computers opened up in a car wash and technicians hosing everything down. I think they used the spot-free rinse and hot-wax. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 05:17:29 2009 Received: (qmail 18376 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 04:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 04:17:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762901C407E0 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64AA3D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E8119FD80 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:17:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96EF19FD7F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:17:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl35.gs02.gridserver.com (cl35.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.44]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50009 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl35.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LK3NW-0003Kh-TM for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:17:19 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:17:17 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Film scanning - need help Thread-Index: Aclvtajj53I5h9uoEd284AAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4962D779.80407@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 05:17:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962db59233461470116606 Simba isn't evil, just bitchy, greedy, and lazy. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, is the evil one. She's 18 yrs old. She is still staying at grandpa's house with my aunt and the dog and the other cat. I went to visit her yesterday and saw her attack the dog's face for sniffing her! See my fat cat: http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/family-snapshots/simba/ -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/5/09 11:00 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > Interesting. I thought evil cats could just will it to be so. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> My cat is too fat to jump up to the keyboard! >> >> 20lb and 15 yrs old. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 05:19:26 2009 Received: (qmail 12234 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 04:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 04:19:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD9E1C40F3F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:19:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F3CD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:19:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6ED34AC018 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:19:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CA934AC00F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:19:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl34.gs02.gridserver.com (cl34.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.43]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:19:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50017 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl34.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LK3PU-0005vd-AL for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:19:20 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:19:18 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Equipment cleanup Thread-Index: AclvtfECL9DD3tupEd284AAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 05:19:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962dbce68311257536491 LOL!!! Didn't the water hurt it? -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/5/09 11:03 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: >> >> One day he brings in his Nikon Coolscan 5000, says he's scanned all his >> film >> and is now shooting digital so he wants to sell it on consignment. It took >> one of the girls I worked with 3 days of scrubbing with windex-soaked paper >> towels to remove the THICK layer of tar from this thing. We prayed that the >> optics inside weren't coated...didn't want to try taking it apart! >> > > > I used to work for an electronics manufacturer. One day we took back in for > refurb about $100,000 worth of digital audio equipment and computers. It > was used in a radio station where the entire staff were chain-smokers. Upon > the arrival of the boxes at the factory, we immediately took the entire > shipment down to the car wash where we power-washed it It is amazing to see > computers opened up in a car wash and technicians hosing everything down. I > think they used the spot-free rinse and hot-wax. :) > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 05:25:49 2009 Received: (qmail 210 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 04:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 04:25:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91D51C40F50 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:25:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C194BD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF56D19FD8D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:25:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.819 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.819 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.819, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC8619FD87 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:25:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:25:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.be0.4d9e007e (14467) for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:25:36 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:25:36 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5003 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 05:25:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962dd4d116298512572685 I use a toothbrush to remove the loose stuff and then a combination of cotton balls and make-up style q-tips (one end is flat and the other pointed). Get them from a beauty supply of drug store. Both damped in denatured alcohol from the local hardware store. Don't soak them. I also use a make-up brush to knock the loose stuff off of lenses. Bill Barber In a message dated 1/5/2009 9:31:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au writes: I just took delivery of an item of OM gear which seems to have a light coating of brown "stuff" over it which I suspect is tar from cigarette smoke. What is the recommended solvent for removing this scum ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 06:35:36 2009 Received: (qmail 19695 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 05:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 05:35:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4529B1C40F3B for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA429D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:35:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA63A19FE53 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:35:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7E219FE4F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:35:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.150]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so18816562qwj.26 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.215.19 with SMTP id n19mr17647364qag.59.1231220128160; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.243.20 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:35:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:35:28 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: ee8e4ebba1b8ac01 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 06:35:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962eda8263362336821329 > > Didn't the water hurt it? > Nope AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 07:11:32 2009 Received: (qmail 4078 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 06:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 06:11:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837971C40F39 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:11:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291E9D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7F419FEB1 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:11:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F48719FEB0 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:11:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:11:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5865 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 06:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 06:11:19 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:11:14 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 07:11:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962f614289071823421471 Furball of doom. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/01/2009, at 3:17 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > Simba isn't evil, just bitchy, greedy, and lazy. My grandpa's old cat, > Molly, is the evil one. She's 18 yrs old. She is still staying at > grandpa's > house with my aunt and the dog and the other cat. I went to visit her > yesterday and saw her attack the dog's face for sniffing her! > > See my fat cat: > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/family-snapshots/simba/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 07:17:29 2009 Received: (qmail 2640 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 06:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 06:17:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF52C1C40F49 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B51DD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:17:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CBE19FEC2 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:17:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDE419FEBE for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:17:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7291 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 06:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 06:17:21 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <200901060331.n063VWjB009170@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200901060331.n063VWjB009170@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-Id: <389D92AC-51FE-4D3C-A578-7BFFE3AE68C3@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:17:15 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 07:17:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962f779286161838542571 Citra for the metal parts at least - should be worth a try. It's great for removing sticker and duct tape residue and smells good. Citrus and alcohol mix. Might do the leatherette, plastic and rubber too but I'd test first. It does etch a couple of common plastic resins. Haven't you got a kit with all the standards - acetone, lighter fluid, ethanol...? I think I've got enough stuff to construct some improvised anti-tank weapons. :-) (Note to ASIO and ASIS - I may have a beard but that is a JOKE). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/01/2009, at 2:31 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > I just took delivery of an item of OM gear which seems to have a > light coating of brown "stuff" over it which I suspect is tar from > cigarette smoke. > > What is the recommended solvent for removing this scum ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 07:23:14 2009 Received: (qmail 6013 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 06:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 06:23:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040701C40F51 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C69D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521D134AC002 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:23:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1C634AC00F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:23:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7562 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 06:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 06:23:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> <4962B53D.8080604@chucknorcutt.com> <4962BEED.60509@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: <6EE1F8AF-2102-4B79-9B89-9A62746E0F3C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:22:59 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 07:23:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962f8d2314321838542571 You're right - I'm abnormal. Use it all the time, with single point focus. 'cos I'm a bit simple too. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/01/2009, at 1:30 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> I was just thinking today that my 5D (which I've owned for about 3 >> years) has a perfectly fine spot meter... which I've never used. >> > > > > What did I just say about average Canon users? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 07:28:13 2009 Received: (qmail 31645 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 06:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 06:28:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F151C40F4D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:28:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD36BD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34D919FED5 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:28:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E66919FEDA for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:28:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl35.gs02.gridserver.com (cl35.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.44]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50383 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl35.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LK5Q3-0002fU-DL for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:28:03 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:28:01 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Film scanning - need help Thread-Index: Aclvx+xGKxeD8Nu7Ed2SpgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 07:28:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962f9fd268702046811720 Well the dog deserved it. Molly says that's what he gets for living in her house and breathing her air! Old Simba has gotten pretty nasty too in the last couple years though. He lives with my parents. When I was in Santa Fe, they sinned against God (the cat) by getting a dog. Unforgivable. He has attacked the dog several times for sniffing him, and once attacked her just for sitting next to him! Usually, though, he goes for the more passive-aggressive approach. Whenever anyone puts meat in the dog's food bowl, he runs over and steals it before the dog finds it. Normally, Simba will not eat any kind of beef. He hates it. Unless it is in the dog's food bowl, then it is his favorite meat! Once I caught Simba stealing regular dry dog food from the dog's bowl. The cat wasn't starving, his own bowl was full of cat food! The dog is dumb and never does anything mean to the Simba, no matter how nasty he is or how much of the dog's food he steals. The dog is a gigantic Great Pyrenees dog. She could eat that fat cat for dinner if she wasn't scared of him. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/6/09 1:11 AM, "Andrew Fildes" wrote: > Furball of doom. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 06/01/2009, at 3:17 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > >> Simba isn't evil, just bitchy, greedy, and lazy. My grandpa's old cat, >> Molly, is the evil one. She's 18 yrs old. She is still staying at >> grandpa's >> house with my aunt and the dog and the other cat. I went to visit her >> yesterday and saw her attack the dog's face for sniffing her! >> >> See my fat cat: >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/family-snapshots/simba/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 07:31:54 2009 Received: (qmail 13225 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 06:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 06:31:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892EB1C40F45 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF3FD0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F23234AC016 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:31:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54A934AC00F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:31:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59987C96B5 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:52:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <7509DC77-5D71-460A-B1A9-EF3A8A708825@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <33758BFC018247D2B9D4365FAA8B79E3@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:31:43 +0000 References: <010620090127.25514.4962B389000C0B8B000063AA22134843730501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> <100-fbbe6249-37012.007@comkal.net> <33758BFC018247D2B9D4365FAA8B79E3@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 07:31:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4962fada2242336821329 Thanks for that, John. I wish that I had known that the memorial flights were going to take place. Chris On 6 Jan 2009, at 02:38, John Hudson wrote: > Keith Allchin, a member of this list, very kindly referred me to this > website > > www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk > > from which I went straight to: > > www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk/gallery_146163.html > > The photos were taken with an E-3 and a DZ 50-200mm lens > > The distance from the camera to the dam wall seen in two of the > images is > 3.55 miles. > > The reservoir is just west of Sheffield, England and was the site of > the > trial runs for the 1943 RAF Dambusters raid over Germany. > > The images are quite a tribute to the 50-200 lens. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 08:36:53 2009 Received: (qmail 8172 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 07:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 07:36:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570081C40509 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09C6D0404A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:36:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BC534AC018 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:36:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F13834AC00D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:36:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n067aXnA003016 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:36:43 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:36:32 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <389D92AC-51FE-4D3C-A578-7BFFE3AE68C3@people.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclvxnQr3QoDu2tuRIub1l9D06j8EwACa54g Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 08:36:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49630a15184881744846740 It's done. Tried the citrus stuff and it didn't do too well, the alcohol was much better. I have a feeling that kero might be best but I just persisted with the alcohol. I'm very suspicious of acetone, it has eaten a few things in the past ! ...Wayne > > Citra for the metal parts at least - should be worth a try. It's > great for removing sticker and duct tape residue and smells good. > Citrus and alcohol mix. Might do the leatherette, plastic and rubber > too but I'd test first. It does etch a couple of common > plastic resins. Haven't you got a kit with all the standards > - acetone, lighter > fluid, ethanol...? > I think I've got enough stuff to construct some improvised anti-tank > weapons. :-) > (Note to ASIO and ASIS - I may have a beard but that is a > JOKE). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 06/01/2009, at 2:31 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > I just took delivery of an item of OM gear which seems to have a > > light coating of brown "stuff" over it which I suspect is tar from > > cigarette smoke. > > > > What is the recommended solvent for removing this scum ? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 10:01:03 2009 Received: (qmail 26221 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 09:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 09:01:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8E84301FF for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8FFD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907EC34AC025 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:00:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7927234AC01F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:00:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f27.google.com (mail-bw0-f27.google.com [209.85.218.27]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so5181284bwz.14 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:00:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.172.7 with SMTP id z7mr7718296muo.15.1231232452557; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:00:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.40.8 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:00:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:00:52 +0100 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <389D92AC-51FE-4D3C-A578-7BFFE3AE68C3@people.net.au> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 10:01:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49631dce96671869477228 so, we're still just as curious about WHAT you cleaned :) iwert 2009/1/6 Wayne Harridge > It's done. > > Tried the citrus stuff and it didn't do too well, the alcohol was much > better. I have a feeling that kero might be best but I just persisted with > the alcohol. I'm very suspicious of acetone, it has eaten a few things in > the past ! > > ...Wayne > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 10:04:42 2009 Received: (qmail 28710 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 09:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 09:04:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124D1430104 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03585D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E479819DD87 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:04:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AEDA19DD80 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:04:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-ew0-f10.google.com (mail-ew0-f10.google.com [209.85.219.10]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so7861471ewy.14 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:04:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.61.8 with SMTP id j8mr25512632eba.45.1231232674621; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:04:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.144.20 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:04:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3be4f4a80901060104s246fc690i705b5f26c25fe1a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:04:34 +0100 From: "Bart Wientjes" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <389D92AC-51FE-4D3C-A578-7BFFE3AE68C3@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 10:04:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49631eaa95861470116606 > Tried the citrus stuff and it didn't do too well, the alcohol was much > better. Alcohol always brings a solution for every problem. :) Bart -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 10:31:37 2009 Received: (qmail 30363 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 09:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 09:31:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536B643018B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AF1D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E42219DE74 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:31:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D823A19DE5F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:31:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27951 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 09:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.163.9) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 09:31:28 -0000 In-Reply-To: <7509DC77-5D71-460A-B1A9-EF3A8A708825@threeshoes.net> References: <010620090127.25514.4962B389000C0B8B000063AA22134843730501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> <100-fbbe6249-37012.007@comkal.net> <33758BFC018247D2B9D4365FAA8B79E3@hudson> <7509DC77-5D71-460A-B1A9-EF3A8A708825@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <66ABA4B8-5E98-4A7A-AF5F-86DB5A988344@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:31:22 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 10:31:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496324f9286311946193717 I wouldn't worry. They're clearly faked, with Airfix models - you can tell 'cos the props aren't turning! :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/01/2009, at 5:31 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks for that, John. I wish that I had known that the memorial > flights were going to take place. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 10:37:34 2009 Received: (qmail 27707 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 09:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 09:37:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467564301AA for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08799D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CBD19DE96 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:37:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E1419DEA1 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:37:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n069bGMQ010423 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:37:27 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:37:15 +1100 Message-ID: <5CAA874E2B1A400198C2FC712FBB935F@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Aclv3VAnkRlIFAFrTHKM0xHAPo8vJQABJtvw Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 10:37:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963265e38061234514069 > > so, we're still just as curious about WHAT you cleaned :) > iwert > Nothing really exciting - OM Slide Copier, based on the price I paid not a highly sort after item these days ! I didn't want to get too aggressive with solvents as the metal parts are painted and it has a few plastic bits too. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 10:39:36 2009 Received: (qmail 30831 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 09:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 09:39:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FEA7430173 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395DBD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:39:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F11B19DEA8 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:39:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC3E19DEA1 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:39:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:39:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n069dF76018173 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:39:25 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:39:14 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <3be4f4a80901060104s246fc690i705b5f26c25fe1a3@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Aclv3c+1vGfuihfMSsCwAcesrN0vAwABJxmw Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 10:39:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496326d8234791946193717 > > Alcohol always brings a solution for every problem. :) > True ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 10:50:27 2009 Received: (qmail 12447 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 09:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 09:50:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54463430141 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:50:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B706D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF0219DF0C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:50:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF39819DF18 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:50:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:50:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 09gb1b0070FhH24A39qMlc; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:50:21 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 09qL1b0053cAhRk8U9qLX0; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:50:21 +0000 Message-ID: <49150A7E7CA44226A617565CA01386B5@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <210912.10662.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:50:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] T10 mounting thread size? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 10:50:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49632962286861702588592 Thanks Tim, I'll have to check those out next time I get into one of their stores. Darin Tim Hughes wrote: > HarbourFreight currently has special on rubber strap wrenches 2 different > sizes for US $3. I am not sure whether these ones are narrow enough, but > you could check their website and call them: > > http://www.harborfreightusa.com/usa/tabviewer/startBrowseBook.do?bookid=229&preview=true&type=RET&simple=&r=3867_338719 > > I have an actual narrow instrument one I use, but if these are not super > wide the should work. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 10:56:18 2009 Received: (qmail 5169 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 09:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 09:56:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAE14301A5 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80434D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654EF34AC018 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:56:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B831234AC01F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:56:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:56:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 09c51b00B0cQ2SLA99wDdf; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:56:13 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 09wC1b0053cAhRk8W9wC7z; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:56:13 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:56:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 10:56:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49632ac2110031073733319 Holy cow! That looks more like a 40 lb cat. Mine weighs 15 lbs and is no where near that big. Darin Chris Crawford wrote: > Simba isn't evil, just bitchy, greedy, and lazy. My grandpa's old cat, > Molly, is the evil one. She's 18 yrs old. She is still staying at > grandpa's > house with my aunt and the dog and the other cat. I went to visit her > yesterday and saw her attack the dog's face for sniffing her! > > See my fat cat: > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/family-snapshots/simba/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 11:57:46 2009 Received: (qmail 19384 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 10:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 10:57:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78F143014B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 02:57:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B8FD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 02:57:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBEA19E21C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 02:57:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AF919E1F4 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 02:57:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 02:57:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KD100JWAQFZM691@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:57:35 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-30.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.30]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:46:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:57:34 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <55E8EB4BAC5F481CA65ABC879C52A2A5@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvEOAAfIYkkY3tge/2dsb2JhbACBZogxxDcGhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,338,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="438781830" References: Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 11:57:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963392a318641744846740 Wow ............. a marmalade cat, just like ours but about twice the size ! Our is just 9 years old. See here http://www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/folios/orlando.html for the most famous of marmalade cats who, like ours, is called Orlando. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Film scanning - need help > Simba isn't evil, just bitchy, greedy, and lazy. My grandpa's old cat, > Molly, is the evil one. She's 18 yrs old. She is still staying at > grandpa's > house with my aunt and the dog and the other cat. I went to visit her > yesterday and saw her attack the dog's face for sniffing her! > > See my fat cat: > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/family-snapshots/simba/ > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > > On 1/5/09 11:00 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > >> Interesting. I thought evil cats could just will it to be so. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Chris Crawford wrote: >>> My cat is too fat to jump up to the keyboard! >>> >>> 20lb and 15 yrs old. > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 12:15:48 2009 Received: (qmail 32497 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 11:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 11:15:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E67A4301D0 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 03:15:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF1DD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 03:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8092D34AC021 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 03:15:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908AD34AC01F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 03:15:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 03:15:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KD100DJYR9W3UB3@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:15:32 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-30.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.30]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:02:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:15:31 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <8C3CF05702BA40EEA5482D6051095796@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvEOAIvLYkkY3tge/2dsb2JhbACBZogxxDkGhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,338,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="401117537" References: <55E8EB4BAC5F481CA65ABC879C52A2A5@hudson> Subject: [OM] tilt shift photography anyone ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 12:15:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49633d64160361591313764 If anyone is interested in tilt-shift photography, see here: http://tinyurl.com/8t2mlu jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 12:48:26 2009 Received: (qmail 1799 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 11:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 11:48:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43F94301C6 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 03:48:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7741AD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 03:48:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5836819E380 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 03:48:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3524819E37D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 03:48:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 03:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n06Bm4LA027473 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:48:15 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:48:03 +1100 Message-ID: <285ED21E9C90402985DCDA8B406F565F@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcloXf/SKouc+RSqR3aLTiyWLsM6xgHlouDg Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] Inside, Looking Out X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 12:48:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963450a123831234514069 I just came across something similar: http://www.usefilm.com/image/1473217.html ...Wayne > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@zone-10.com] > Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2008 7:02 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] Inside, Looking Out > > > Well, the weather outside is frightful, icy and > spiteful.There's no place to go, the ice is making it so Out > comes the camera, lens and creative mind OK, a bit bored, but > you know the kind Horrid poetry abounds, insanity knows no > bounds The curse of the winter day. > > A visit to www.zone-10.com may be in order > A snapshot out the window within the border > Film not an option for instant glee > Taken with the Olympus E-1 you see > But the lens is of interest for those of old > The 35-80, handheld and cold > The curse of the winter day. > > ISO 400 was used for who know why > F4 and 1/200 a second to try > I would have use a tripod had one been inside > In an iced over jeep it sits, frozen outside > Three frames shot, only one acceptable > The curse of the winter day. > > Raw Therapee is an interesting program to learn > Time spent anquished over a Wacom pad firm > Curves and contrast enhanced you see > Saturation boosted beyond belief > I'd have kept it straight, dull and true > Had it not been for the curse of the winter day. > > -- > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 13:36:40 2009 Received: (qmail 19520 invoked by uid 0); 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 04:36:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n06CaNmF026591 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:36:24 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <0AC083A0366A4ABF813CA953B7A7C285@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com><4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com><496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com><4962B53D.8080604@chucknorcutt.com><4962BEED.60509@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:36:18 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 13:36:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963505757891234514069 Yeah! the Canon digital is just so good at most situations so users gradually forgot about all the technique they learnt from the film ages. We Olympus users are just so much better, Olympus is trying to keep us always in good shape: - less RAW headroom so we need accurate exposure and may need an external meter too. - so many AF issues so we have to rely on our own eyes. - tilt viewfinder challenging our natural leveling ability. - heavy pro lenses, need more exercise to carry them. Oh! just purchased a 5D Mark II, I think it is time to throw away the tripod :-) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > > >> I was just thinking today that my 5D (which I've owned for about 3 >> years) has a perfectly fine spot meter... which I've never used. >> > > > What did I just say about average Canon users? > > :) > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 14:10:27 2009 Received: (qmail 17379 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 13:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 13:10:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55EF43015D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:10:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D41D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC8C19E62F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:10:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDF019E62E for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:10:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so5078975mue.0 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.131.18 with SMTP id i18mr7791499mun.120.1231247418449; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e8sm46845046muf.30.2009.01.06.05.10.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:10:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49635837.1010004@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:10:15 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com><4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com><496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com><4962B53D.8080604@chucknorcutt.com><4962BEED.60509@chucknorcutt.com> <0AC083A0366A4ABF813CA953B7A7C285@main> In-Reply-To: <0AC083A0366A4ABF813CA953B7A7C285@main> Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 14:10:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49635843192681591313764 I thought I had the same problem when I bought the E-3 with better high iso and image stabilisation, having received a really good tripod as a present, but then I discovered ND fliters ;-) > > Oh! just purchased a 5D Mark II, I think it is time to throw away the tripod > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 14:12:11 2009 Received: (qmail 1676 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 13:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 13:12:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86164430172 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:12:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5272D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:12:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12DB19E63E for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:12:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0111819E62E for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:12:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30496 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 13:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2009 13:12:00 -0000 Message-ID: <496358A0.5080300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:12:00 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200901060331.n063VWjB009170@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200901060331.n063VWjB009170@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090105-0, 01/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 14:12:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496358ab120585368819438 Here are a few suggestions... including Dow Bathroom Cleaner to eliminate the elbow grease. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > I just took delivery of an item of OM gear which seems to have a light coating of brown "stuff" over it which I suspect is tar from cigarette smoke. > > What is the recommended solvent for removing this scum ? > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 14:22:44 2009 Received: (qmail 24380 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 13:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 13:22:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73144301A6 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:22:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5472BD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:22:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467E934AC01F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:22:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08CB34AC005 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:22:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:22:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3682 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 13:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2009 13:22:37 -0000 Message-ID: <49635B1D.6010003@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:22:37 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> <4962B53D.8080604@chucknorcutt.com> <4962BEED.60509@chucknorcutt.com> <6EE1F8AF-2102-4B79-9B89-9A62746E0F3C@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <6EE1F8AF-2102-4B79-9B89-9A62746E0F3C@people.net.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090105-0, 01/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 14:22:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49635b24153401499373980 I never use anything but center focus point. Can't imagine why I'd want to use anything else unless maybe focusing off center on a tripod and don't want to move the camera. But even that assumes one of those points will fall exactly where desired. Not likely. But I think I'd better start using the spot meter from time to time. With the stage shoot just discussed the spot meter (at 80mm) would have covered two dancers close together. The previous year I was close enough that I could have gotten just from the waist up. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > You're right - I'm abnormal. Use it all the time, with single point > focus. > 'cos I'm a bit simple too. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 06/01/2009, at 1:30 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > >>> I was just thinking today that my 5D (which I've owned for about 3 >>> years) has a perfectly fine spot meter... which I've never used. >>> >> >> >> What did I just say about average Canon users? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 14:57:06 2009 Received: (qmail 5875 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 13:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 13:57:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594D543021D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D955ED0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DA619E7A0 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:56:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B9219E792 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:56:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (Low) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (132.156.37.16 whitelisted by list.dnswl.org 8.2) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:56:56 -0500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:56:54 -0500 Message-ID: In-reply-to: <7509DC77-5D71-460A-B1A9-EF3A8A708825@threeshoes.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens Thread-index: AclvyHtY8dhjhoWMQyaSCQNP8AU8ZQAPeJQA References: <010620090127.25514.4962B389000C0B8B000063AA22134843730501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net><100-fbbe6249-37012.007@comkal.net><33758BFC018247D2B9D4365FAA8B79E3@hudson> <7509DC77-5D71-460A-B1A9-EF3A8A708825@threeshoes.net> From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2009 13:56:56.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3200870:01C97006] Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 14:57:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49636332192349347015869 Chris: The last surviving pilot of the Dambuster raid attended. An interesting photo of the Lanc passing over the dam in this article: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2017043/posts Martin -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:32 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens Thanks for that, John. I wish that I had known that the memorial flights were going to take place. Chris On 6 Jan 2009, at 02:38, John Hudson wrote: > Keith Allchin, a member of this list, very kindly referred me to this > website > > www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk > > from which I went straight to: > > www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk/gallery_146163.html > > The photos were taken with an E-3 and a DZ 50-200mm lens > > The distance from the camera to the dam wall seen in two of the images > is > 3.55 miles. > > The reservoir is just west of Sheffield, England and was the site of > the trial runs for the 1943 RAF Dambusters raid over Germany. > > The images are quite a tribute to the 50-200 lens. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 15:08:34 2009 Received: (qmail 23505 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 14:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 14:08:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048644301B9 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:08:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6B4D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EBD34AC018 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:08:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC98334AC002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:08:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id D7466F499X for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:08:27 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:08:25 -0800 Message-ID: In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Equipment cleanup Thread-Index: AclvxnQr3QoDu2tuRIub1l9D06j8EwACa54gAA33HmA= From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2009 14:08:27.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F2C31C0:01C97008] Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 15:08:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496365e2165731234514069 >It's done. > >Tried the citrus stuff and it didn't do too well, the alcohol was much better. I have a feeling that kero might be best but I just >persisted with the alcohol. I'm very suspicious of acetone, it has eaten a few things in the past ! > >...Wayne I'm still quite fond of Rosonol lighter fluid. Does a great job on stickers/dried adhesive etc. I haven't observed any adverse side effects either. Jim -- Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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It is a common beginner's error to use a too-high shutter speed in photographing propellor aircraft, as the prop is stopped. I would never use more than 125th in this setting. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens > Thanks for that, John. I wish that I had known that the memorial > flights were going to take place. > > Chris > > On 6 Jan 2009, at 02:38, John Hudson wrote: > >> Keith Allchin, a member of this list, very kindly referred me to this >> website >> >> www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk >> >> from which I went straight to: >> >> www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk/gallery_146163.html >> >> The photos were taken with an E-3 and a DZ 50-200mm lens >> >> The distance from the camera to the dam wall seen in two of the >> images is >> 3.55 miles. >> >> The reservoir is just west of Sheffield, England and was the site of >> the >> trial runs for the 1943 RAF Dambusters raid over Germany. >> >> The images are quite a tribute to the 50-200 lens. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1876 - Release Date: 1/5/2009 9:44 AM -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 15:35:17 2009 Received: (qmail 32750 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 14:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 14:35:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4B14301BB for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A345FD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AAFC19E92B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:35:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAEB19E929 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:35:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15324 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 14:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090105-0, 01/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 15:35:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49636c25122521234514069 Works well for lenses too if Windex won't get it. Ronsonol first, Windex next. Then breathe on glass and final wipe. Chuck Norcutt Timpe, Jim wrote: >> It's done. >> >> Tried the citrus stuff and it didn't do too well, the alcohol was much > better. I have a feeling that kero might be best but I just >> persisted with the alcohol. I'm very suspicious of acetone, it has > eaten a few things in the past ! >> ...Wayne > > > I'm still quite fond of Rosonol lighter fluid. Does a great job on > stickers/dried adhesive etc. I haven't observed any adverse side > effects either. > > Jim > -- > > Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. > If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or > re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, > please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone > (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any > attachments. 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I have my doubts that the Lancaster flying over the Derwent dam wall is the world's last flying one. In the mid 1990s one flew into Penticton, BC where we lived at the time and was open to the public. I took a look around inside. At 5'10" I had to bend my head low to get through the fuselage. The cockpit was tiny ! The off-duty Air Canada 747 pilot who was flying the thing was more ecstatic than a small boy with a new toy to have the opportunity of flying a vintage aircraft. Seen here are three shots I took at Derwent reservoir a year ago: www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/911.html www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/912.html www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/913.html jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens > Chris: > The last surviving pilot of the Dambuster raid attended. An interesting > photo of the Lanc passing over the dam in this article: > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2017043/posts > > > Martin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:32 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens > > Thanks for that, John. I wish that I had known that the memorial > flights were going to take place. > > Chris > > On 6 Jan 2009, at 02:38, John Hudson wrote: > >> Keith Allchin, a member of this list, very kindly referred me to this >> website >> >> www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk >> >> from which I went straight to: >> >> www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk/gallery_146163.html >> >> The photos were taken with an E-3 and a DZ 50-200mm lens >> >> The distance from the camera to the dam wall seen in two of the images > >> is >> 3.55 miles. >> >> The reservoir is just west of Sheffield, England and was the site of >> the trial runs for the 1943 RAF Dambusters raid over Germany. >> >> The images are quite a tribute to the 50-200 lens. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 15:48:57 2009 Received: (qmail 6674 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 14:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 14:48:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A794301FF for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6B6D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB55E34AC002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:48:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C11F3610001 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:48:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id EE3ECDC18P for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:48:48 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:48:47 -0800 Message-ID: In-reply-to: <41521C421F6F46898768980567854509@hudson> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens Thread-Index: AclwDUVBz5/eQBH+R0+/tCr6fkGSpgAAFtGw From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2009 14:48:48.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1E4BE00:01C9700D] Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 15:48:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49636f5934151946193717 >John Hudson >In the mid 1990s one flew into Penticton, BC where we lived at the time I quite envy you. Family vacationed in Penticton for many years. Loved the beach at Skaha. What, you don't have any pics of Ogopogo? Jim -- Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment to this email. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 15:52:51 2009 Received: (qmail 15618 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 14:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 14:52:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B79430233 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C2DD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EA419E9DA for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:52:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD3319E964 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:52:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KD200D381BV3R24@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:52:43 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-30.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.30]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:29:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:52:42 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvEOABz/YkkY3tge/2dsb2JhbACBZogxxSIGhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,339,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="389224808" References: <010620090127.25514.4962B389000C0B8B000063AA22134843730501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> <100-fbbe6249-37012.007@comkal.net> <33758BFC018247D2B9D4365FAA8B79E3@hudson> <7509DC77-5D71-460A-B1A9-EF3A8A708825@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 15:52:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49637043219717927319144 .................... but he was several miles away, using a tripod no doubt, and in an extremely exposed location subject to high wind velocity. I know the surrounding area very well. In my opinion Elliott did a sterling job and captured the moment with each image. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens >I would go so far as to say that Ste[hen Elliot knows little about >airplanes > and photographing them. > > It is a common beginner's error to use a too-high shutter speed in > photographing propellor aircraft, as the prop is stopped. I would never > use > more than 125th in this setting. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Barker" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:31 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens > > >> Thanks for that, John. I wish that I had known that the memorial >> flights were going to take place. >> >> Chris >> >> On 6 Jan 2009, at 02:38, John Hudson wrote: >> >>> Keith Allchin, a member of this list, very kindly referred me to this >>> website >>> >>> www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk >>> >>> from which I went straight to: >>> >>> www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk/gallery_146163.html >>> >>> The photos were taken with an E-3 and a DZ 50-200mm lens >>> >>> The distance from the camera to the dam wall seen in two of the >>> images is >>> 3.55 miles. >>> >>> The reservoir is just west of Sheffield, England and was the site of >>> the >>> trial runs for the 1943 RAF Dambusters raid over Germany. >>> >>> The images are quite a tribute to the 50-200 lens. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1876 - Release Date: 1/5/2009 > 9:44 AM > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 16:02:05 2009 Received: (qmail 25260 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 15:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 15:02:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58445430178 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482FCD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E0419EA62 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:01:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7E519EA61 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:01:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so1118969fgb.36 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.80.17 with SMTP id d17mr1184949fgb.55.1231254115414; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.77.10 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:01:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0901060701v70a8e671o1ab0a28ab01177e6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:01:55 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 16:02:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963726d263861470116606 Rosonal is the prefered cleaner used by the company that maintains the microscopes used in our practice. Removes skin oils, paraffin, Permount (substitute for the old Balsam coverslip medium), you name it, with no damage to glass, metals, paint or plastic. Charlie On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Timpe, Jim wrote: > >It's done. > > > >Tried the citrus stuff and it didn't do too well, the alcohol was much > better. I have a feeling that kero might be best but I just > >persisted with the alcohol. I'm very suspicious of acetone, it has > eaten a few things in the past ! > > > >...Wayne > > > I'm still quite fond of Rosonol lighter fluid. Does a great job on > stickers/dried adhesive etc. I haven't observed any adverse side > effects either. > > Jim > -- > > Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. > If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or > re-transmit this email. 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AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 16:09:30 2009 Received: (qmail 10707 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 15:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 15:09:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93584301C6 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:09:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A8CD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649A619EAB7 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:09:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35A819EABC for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:09:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (Low) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (132.156.37.16 whitelisted by list.dnswl.org 8.2) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:09:22 -0500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:09:22 -0500 Message-ID: In-reply-to: <41521C421F6F46898768980567854509@hudson> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens Thread-index: AclwDT/XY+8PWQTIRDKZ/nIt5nlJugAAyWig References: <010620090127.25514.4962B389000C0B8B000063AA22134843730501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net><100-fbbe6249-37012.007@comkal.net><33758BFC018247D2B9D4365FAA8B79E3@hudson><7509DC77-5D71-460A-B1A9-EF3A8A708825@threeshoes.net> <41521C421F6F46898768980567854509@hudson> From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2009 15:09:22.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1892CB0:01C97010] Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 16:09:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963742a206811529615919 John: Canada has the only other flying Lanc. Based in Hamilton with the Warplane Heritage. Flies over Ottawa reguarly as part of BoB and VE-Day celebrations. Canada also has the only complete and genuine Halifax (restored at Trenton). The Imperial War Museum in the UK has one recovered from a lake, but only partially restored (there's also a composite one made up from a number of Halifax/Hastings pieces elsewhere in the UK) Martin -----Original Message----- From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:44 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens A very interesting piece but it omits a rather significant detail; the lead pilot, aged 25, was awarded the Victoria Cross for his troubles. I have my doubts that the Lancaster flying over the Derwent dam wall is the world's last flying one. In the mid 1990s one flew into Penticton, BC where we lived at the time and was open to the public. I took a look around inside. At 5'10" I had to bend my head low to get through the fuselage. The cockpit was tiny ! The off-duty Air Canada 747 pilot who was flying the thing was more ecstatic than a small boy with a new toy to have the opportunity of flying a vintage aircraft. Seen here are three shots I took at Derwent reservoir a year ago: www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/911.html www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/912.html www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/913.html jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens > Chris: > The last surviving pilot of the Dambuster raid attended. An interesting > photo of the Lanc passing over the dam in this article: > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2017043/posts > > > Martin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:32 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens > > Thanks for that, John. I wish that I had known that the memorial > flights were going to take place. > > Chris > > On 6 Jan 2009, at 02:38, John Hudson wrote: > >> Keith Allchin, a member of this list, very kindly referred me to this >> website >> >> www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk >> >> from which I went straight to: >> >> www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk/gallery_146163.html >> >> The photos were taken with an E-3 and a DZ 50-200mm lens >> >> The distance from the camera to the dam wall seen in two of the images > >> is >> 3.55 miles. >> >> The reservoir is just west of Sheffield, England and was the site of >> the trial runs for the 1943 RAF Dambusters raid over Germany. >> >> The images are quite a tribute to the 50-200 lens. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 16:18:45 2009 Received: (qmail 551 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 15:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 15:18:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27B443020A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6882D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A921F34AC005 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:18:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A8C3610004 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:18:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KD200J0S2I9M6Y1@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:18:09 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-30.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.30]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:06:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:18:09 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <8B0748C53E6544EEB9478D642D690F05@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvEOAD0FY0kY3tge/2dsb2JhbACBZogxuSAJjBUGhDmBMw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,339,1228104000"; d="scan'208";a="438909847" References: Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 16:18:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49637655165331023412894 Ogopogo, the lake monster, belongs to Vernon 60 miles up the lake ! Go here for a few shots of Naramata and Penticton. Two quite nice places located right in the middle of the Canadian rockies! http://www.johnhudsonphoto.com/BC02.html When were you last in Penticton and where did you stay ? I should dig up some photos of Skaha Lake. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens > >John Hudson >>In the mid 1990s one flew into Penticton, BC where we lived at the time > > > > I quite envy you. Family vacationed in Penticton for many years. Loved > the beach at Skaha. > What, you don't have any pics of Ogopogo? > > Jim > -- > > Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. > If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or > re-transmit this email. 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Based in Hamilton with the > Warplane Heritage. Flies over Ottawa reguarly as part of BoB and VE-Day > celebrations. That was the one that flew into Penticton, BC in the mid early 1990s. I have some head on shots as it came into land and some from directly underneath as it flew over the approach road. Should look them out. jh > > Canada also has the only complete and genuine Halifax (restored at > Trenton). The Imperial War Museum in the UK has one recovered from a > lake, but only partially restored (there's also a composite one made up > from a number of Halifax/Hastings pieces elsewhere in the UK) > > > Martin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:44 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens > > A very interesting piece but it omits a rather significant detail; the > lead pilot, aged 25, was awarded the Victoria Cross for his troubles. > > I have my doubts that the Lancaster flying over the Derwent dam wall is > the world's last flying one. In the mid 1990s one flew into Penticton, > BC where we lived at the time and was open to the public. I took a look > around inside. At 5'10" I had to bend my head low to get through the > fuselage. The cockpit was tiny ! The off-duty Air Canada 747 pilot who > was flying the thing was more ecstatic than a small boy with a new toy > to have the opportunity of flying a vintage aircraft. > > Seen here are three shots I took at Derwent reservoir a year ago: > > www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/911.html > www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/912.html > www.JohnHudsonPhoto.com/913.html > > jh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walters, Martin" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens > > >> Chris: >> The last surviving pilot of the Dambuster raid attended. An > interesting >> photo of the Lanc passing over the dam in this article: >> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2017043/posts >> >> >> Martin >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:32 AM >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens >> >> Thanks for that, John. I wish that I had known that the memorial >> flights were going to take place. >> >> Chris >> >> On 6 Jan 2009, at 02:38, John Hudson wrote: >> >>> Keith Allchin, a member of this list, very kindly referred me to this >>> website >>> >>> www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk >>> >>> from which I went straight to: >>> >>> www.StephenElliottPhotography.co.uk/gallery_146163.html >>> >>> The photos were taken with an E-3 and a DZ 50-200mm lens >>> >>> The distance from the camera to the dam wall seen in two of the > images >> >>> is >>> 3.55 miles. >>> >>> The reservoir is just west of Sheffield, England and was the site of >>> the trial runs for the 1943 RAF Dambusters raid over Germany. >>> >>> The images are quite a tribute to the 50-200 lens. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 16:24:10 2009 Received: (qmail 7145 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 15:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 15:24:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECC24301BD for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D09D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04C119EB46 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:23:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE4B19EB38 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:23:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 57E82E94EH for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:23:55 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:23:55 -0800 Message-ID: In-reply-to: <8B0748C53E6544EEB9478D642D690F05@hudson> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens Thread-Index: AclwEhaIZn6KqUPKRAOeKtQQQOchjQAAB4Zw From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2009 15:23:55.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA251580:01C97012] Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 16:24:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963779a320029347015869 >http://www.johnhudsonphoto.com/BC02.html > >When were you last in Penticton and where did you stay ? I should dig up >some photos of Skaha Lake. > >jh I'm ashamed to admit that it was approaching 20 years ago..... When my family vacationed there, was more like 40 years ago. We just stayed in motels. My parents had a favorite, but I sure don't remember what it was. My visit 20 years ago was a surprise to me in the number of 'water parks' that had sprung up. Wonder if those are even still there. We traveled up to Kelowna two or three times in our many visits. What a lovely town. Jim -- Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 16:48:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49637d3e46901470116606 Same thing happens with thin ring Olympus filters (made by Hoya). Instead of gripping ring 180 degrees apart and squeezing (which makes ring oval and hard to unscrew) place super-sticky "cap snaffler" (found in grocery stores) flat on filter, press with palm of hand and unscrew. Oh no, was that a run-on sentence ;-0 ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Tim Hughes wrote: > HarbourFreight currently has special on rubber strap wrenches 2 > different sizes for US $3. I am not sure whether these ones are > narrow enough, but you could check their website and call them: > > http://www.harborfreightusa.com/usa/tabviewer/startBrowseBook.do?bookid=229&preview=true&type=RET&simple=&r=3867_338719 > > > I have an actual narrow instrument one I use, but if these are not > super wide the should work. > > Tim Hughes > > > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Charles Geilfuss > wrote: > >> From: Charles Geilfuss Subject: Re: >> [OM] T10 mounting thread size? To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 9:15 AM >> Whew! Scared me for a minute. All this talk of friction, rubber, >> penetration; I thought I'd stumbled into the wrong discussion >> group. >> >> Charlie >> >> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Russ Butler >> wrote: >> >>> Darin wrote: >>>> Frank, I think you've solved the puzzle! I >> hadn't thought of that, but >>> now >>>> that I look at it a little closer, it appears to >> have a ring stuck on it. >>>> Now to figure out how to get the stuck ring off! >> :^) >>> If higher friction (rubber etc. as others suggested) >> doesn't work, try a >>> drop or two of a good penetrating lubricant, like PB >> blaster. It's >>> available at auto parts stores. >>> >>> >>> -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- / -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 16:58:51 2009 Received: (qmail 5197 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 15:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 15:58:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DB8430232 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41ED4D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC8F34AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:58:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB5834AC002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:58:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2009 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 15:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2009 15:58:40 -0000 Message-ID: <49637FB0.7010903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:58:40 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <14883a8b0901060701v70a8e671o1ab0a28ab01177e6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0901060701v70a8e671o1ab0a28ab01177e6@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-0, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 16:58:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49637fbb289797927319144 Also easy to use since it comes with a pin hole diameter dispenser nozzle. Get some before they go out of business due to smoking bans. :-) Chuck Norcutt Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Rosonal is the prefered cleaner used by the company that maintains the > microscopes used in our practice. Removes skin oils, paraffin, Permount > (substitute for the old Balsam coverslip medium), you name it, with no > damage to glass, metals, paint or plastic. > > Charlie > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Timpe, Jim wrote: > >>> It's done. >>> >>> Tried the citrus stuff and it didn't do too well, the alcohol was much >> better. I have a feeling that kero might be best but I just >>> persisted with the alcohol. I'm very suspicious of acetone, it has >> eaten a few things in the past ! >>> ...Wayne >> >> I'm still quite fond of Rosonol lighter fluid. Does a great job on >> stickers/dried adhesive etc. I haven't observed any adverse side >> effects either. >> >> Jim >> -- >> >> Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. >> If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or >> re-transmit this email. 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BNP Paribas Securities Services is also a member of the London Stock Exchange. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 19:32:30 2009 Received: (qmail 24240 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 18:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 18:32:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3724301BD for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:32:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11D9D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AB234AC002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:32:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D06334AC005 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:32:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.169]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:32:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so8876480wfd.26 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:32:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.141.21 with SMTP id o21mr5836295wfd.126.1231266740724; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:32:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.14 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:32:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901061032n4e5b395bh680bae47726bf8e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:32:20 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <496256CD.5000808@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> <4C157283-C8AB-4530-A3A1-6BEABC02CA08@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901051023y2587f08cya0d6d6bb09b40f9b@mail.gmail.com> <496256CD.5000808@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 19:32:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963a3be172174673671140 Thanks, Chuck. I hadn't read the Wikipedia article, but the other was familiar. After re-reading the article I think it would be tempting simply to assume that bokeh is the outcome quality of a lens with certain attributes. If true, these things must apply one way or the other to DZ lenses, but to a large extent I am trying to see what can be done with the lenses, especially the 50-200 (since that's what I have), regardless of whether the lens has the best "bokeh qualities" built into it. I don't know if that makes sense or not. I guess I have been approaching it more from an empirical than a deductive standpoint. It is possible that any zoom lens of a particular length (or telephoto prime) can be made to isolate the subject against a blurred background. The question is -- Is this also what we mean by bokeh? What I think people want is a 50mm equivalent lens with pleasing bokeh for their digital camera. That's the frame of reference from past experience with film. Does that continue to be the frame of reference in digital photography? These are somewhat different questions and I don't know the answer to them. Joel W. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > One of the most interesting articles I've encountered on bokeh (or, > according to the Wiki article, "boke" as it used to be spelled before > Mike Johnston popularized the spelling with an h.) > > > > Chuck Norcutt > > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> "Looks fine" is good enough for me! To the degree that bokeh can be >> managed, I have always thought it is somewhat an illusory quality -- >> something that happens under some circumstances and then is attributed >> to this or that lens. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 19:43:36 2009 Received: (qmail 25895 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 18:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 18:43:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377744301BB for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A18D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1219319F37B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:43:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3842E19F36A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:43:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k57so4710775rnd.13 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.210.8 with SMTP id i8mr7592273wfg.20.1231267402367; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.14 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:43:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:43:22 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 19:43:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963a658181671946193717 Here is a photo I took several weeks ago. http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3174633142/ I shot these flowers in several different ways, changing what was in the background. In this case I included a railing to see whether it would be distracting and/or jittery or whether it would provide a little bit of contrast in the background that might provide more interest to the flowers, a sense of scale, and that sort of thing. While I don't get a "bokeh rush" from the image, I don't find it displeasing. But is it bokeh? Does it matter? Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 19:55:53 2009 Received: (qmail 1869 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 18:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 18:55:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42B043020A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB2BD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D4D19F3EA for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:55:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5740219F412 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:55:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2425230and.35 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.108.9 with SMTP id g9mr11913174anc.137.1231268144424; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:55:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:55:44 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901061032n4e5b395bh680bae47726bf8e1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> <4C157283-C8AB-4530-A3A1-6BEABC02CA08@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901051023y2587f08cya0d6d6bb09b40f9b@mail.gmail.com> <496256CD.5000808@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061032n4e5b395bh680bae47726bf8e1@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8a4da7d478675630 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 19:55:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963a939179831234514069 I'm reminded of a lesson learned with the Vivitar 2X macro extender. This device sat between the lens and the camera body and not only provided variable extension but included the 2X multiplier optics. The rule of thumb is this: The multiplier sitting behind the extension provides magnification of the image being transmitted through it. However, if the multiplier is sitting in front of the extension, the image will have the characteristic of the multiplied focal length of the lens used. The resulting images are completely different. Inotherwords, if you placed a 2X multiplier behind a 50mm lens, you generally got a similar image to that from a 100mm lens. And then you just extend this lens-combination to get the close-focusing you want. However, if you place the extension between the 50mm lens and the multiplier, you got the image characteristics of a cropped 50mm lens image. This had a tremendous bearing on the resulting bokeh. I suspect that many lens designs today (especially zooms) are essentially a short focal-length followed by a multiplier (or variable multiplier in the case of zooms). Since most lenses now are IF (internal focusing), the gap between the front group and the back group is being extended during focusing. This would explain why many zoom lenses give the image results of a crop of a lesser focal length instead of the bokeh of a fixed prime lens of say a classic Tessar design. AG You want beautiful bokeh? Get yourself a classic Zuiko 35/2.8. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 20:11:24 2009 Received: (qmail 19889 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 19:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 19:11:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA86B4301FF for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EF7D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5887A34AC002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:11:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255E134AC00F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:11:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:11:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422D446163C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:29:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <66ABA4B8-5E98-4A7A-AF5F-86DB5A988344@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:11:14 +0000 References: <010620090127.25514.4962B389000C0B8B000063AA22134843730501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> <100-fbbe6249-37012.007@comkal.net> <33758BFC018247D2B9D4365FAA8B79E3@hudson> <7509DC77-5D71-460A-B1A9-EF3A8A708825@threeshoes.net> <66ABA4B8-5E98-4A7A-AF5F-86DB5A988344@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 20:11:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963acdc325502070262475 Heh! You would have liked to be there as well, Andrew, I bet. You would have been jumping up and down on your new limbs ... Although they were clearly at illegal heights (particularly worrying for the Lancaster, having to climb again to get over the hills), it must have been quite a sight from above. Chris On 6 Jan 2009, at 09:31, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I wouldn't worry. They're clearly faked, with Airfix models - you can > tell 'cos the props aren't turning! :-) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 06/01/2009, at 5:31 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> Thanks for that, John. I wish that I had known that the memorial >> flights were going to take place. > > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 20:12:44 2009 Received: (qmail 3739 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 19:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 19:12:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF744302A7 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:12:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA79D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:12:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA9234AC00D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:12:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD5134AC002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:12:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352B546163B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:30:36 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:12:33 +0000 References: <010620090127.25514.4962B389000C0B8B000063AA22134843730501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net><100-fbbe6249-37012.007@comkal.net><33758BFC018247D2B9D4365FAA8B79E3@hudson> <7509DC77-5D71-460A-B1A9-EF3A8A708825@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 20:12:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963ad2c123811234514069 Thanks, Martin. That's very low! Chris On 6 Jan 2009, at 13:56, Walters, Martin wrote: > Chris: > The last surviving pilot of the Dambuster raid attended. An > interesting > photo of the Lanc passing over the dam in this article: > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2017043/posts > > > Martin -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 20:15:16 2009 Received: (qmail 30104 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 19:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 19:15:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88FF4302A5 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8472ED0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697B019F4FF for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:15:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A5E19F4F4 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:15:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 22 days 12:14:46 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741C62881610 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:15:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D4CuvvO7Tqnt for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6131D2881601 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:15:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <95D1093D-8900-417A-8C7D-F2E831086B32@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:15:00 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 20:15:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963adc4150631946193717 > From: "Wayne Harridge" > > Tried the citrus stuff and it didn't do too well, the alcohol was much > better. I have a feeling that kero might be best but I just > persisted with > the alcohol. I'm very suspicious of acetone, it has eaten a few > things in > the past ! PEC-12, which I suspect is primarily methanol. You can also get methanol a lot cheaper via fuel-line de-icers in the auto parts store, but I'd be suspicious of other additives that may be in there. :::: The epoch of the fossil fuels can only be a transitory and ephemeral event... which has exercised the most drastic influence experienced by the human species during its entire biological history. -- M. King Hubbert :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 20:23:02 2009 Received: (qmail 29830 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 19:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 19:23:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B693430221 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AEAD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D61C19F537 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:22:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BE619F54A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:22:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7973 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 19:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090106-0, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 20:23:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963af96298211234514069 The far background looks very good. At the intermediate distance to the right of the center stem I'm bothered by two things. One is the halo look around the perimeter of the green and brown edged leaf and the second is a "hair" running between the leaves and across the stem of the flower. I think either one alone might be OK but the pair of them in close proximity draws my attention there and won't let it go. The "hair", of course, has nothing to do with bokeh and I don't know if the halo around the leaf is a bokeh effect or something else. Anyhow those two things prevent my full enjoyment of the image. Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > Here is a photo I took several weeks ago. > > http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3174633142/ > > I shot these flowers in several different ways, changing what was in > the background. In this case I included a railing to see whether it > would be distracting and/or jittery or whether it would provide a > little bit of contrast in the background that might provide more > interest to the flowers, a sense of scale, and that sort of thing. > While I don't get a "bokeh rush" from the image, I don't find it > displeasing. But is it bokeh? Does it matter? > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 20:27:52 2009 Received: (qmail 10716 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 19:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 19:27:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3006643026F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B581FD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43E834AC00C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:27:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFD234AC002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:27:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:27:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10772 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 19:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090106-0, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 20:27:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963b0b8118749347015869 Perhaps some of our zooms will provide excellent bokeh at one or at least a restricted range of focal lengths. And I believe it varies considerably with distance to subject and distance to the out of focus elements. A prime has got to be easier to deal with just for having far fewer variables. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > I'm reminded of a lesson learned with the Vivitar 2X macro extender. This > device sat between the lens and the camera body and not only provided > variable extension but included the 2X multiplier optics. The rule of thumb > is this: > > The multiplier sitting behind the extension provides magnification of the > image being transmitted through it. However, if the multiplier is sitting > in front of the extension, the image will have the characteristic of the > multiplied focal length of the lens used. The resulting images are > completely different. > > Inotherwords, if you placed a 2X multiplier behind a 50mm lens, you > generally got a similar image to that from a 100mm lens. And then you just > extend this lens-combination to get the close-focusing you want. However, if > you place the extension between the 50mm lens and the multiplier, you got > the image characteristics of a cropped 50mm lens image. This had a > tremendous bearing on the resulting bokeh. > > I suspect that many lens designs today (especially zooms) are essentially a > short focal-length followed by a multiplier (or variable multiplier in the > case of zooms). Since most lenses now are IF (internal focusing), the gap > between the front group and the back group is being extended during > focusing. This would explain why many zoom lenses give the image results of > a crop of a lesser focal length instead of the bokeh of a fixed prime lens > of say a classic Tessar design. > > AG > > You want beautiful bokeh? Get yourself a classic Zuiko 35/2.8. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 20:30:34 2009 Received: (qmail 14402 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 19:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 19:30:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0C7430285 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:30:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCE2D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:30:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9849719F588 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:30:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AAA19F58C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (Low) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (132.156.37.16 whitelisted by list.dnswl.org 8.2) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:30:26 -0500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:30:26 -0500 Message-ID: In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens Thread-index: AclwMr/NZpum5rq5S+2KdGPKgnpz6wAAhjdA References: <010620090127.25514.4962B389000C0B8B000063AA22134843730501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net><100-fbbe6249-37012.007@comkal.net><33758BFC018247D2B9D4365FAA8B79E3@hudson><7509DC77-5D71-460A-B1A9-EF3A8A708825@threeshoes.net> From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2009 19:30:26.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A321C70:01C97035] Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 20:30:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963b15a113457350615338 Yep. I saw the original news clip, which didn't give the same impression. Highly evocative. Then, a Lancaster on full song can do that easily. Martin -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:13 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 and 50-200 lens Thanks, Martin. That's very low! Chris On 6 Jan 2009, at 13:56, Walters, Martin wrote: > Chris: > The last surviving pilot of the Dambuster raid attended. An > interesting photo of the Lanc passing over the dam in this article: > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2017043/posts > > > Martin -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 20:34:05 2009 Received: (qmail 14439 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 19:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 19:34:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D126C43021D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:34:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F8AD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A2B19F5BE for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:33:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3ECE19F5AF for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:33:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B16461606 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:51:56 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4963AF87.7070508@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:33:53 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <4963AF87.7070508@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 20:34:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963b22c97491023412894 The overall effect is pleasing to me, Joel. I must admit that I can't see what is distracting Chuck, though. I must be losing my visual acuity ... Chris On 6 Jan 2009, at 19:22, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The far background looks very good. At the intermediate distance to > the > right of the center stem I'm bothered by two things. One is the halo > look around the perimeter of the green and brown edged leaf and the > second is a "hair" running between the leaves and across the stem of > the > flower. I think either one alone might be OK but the pair of them in > close proximity draws my attention there and won't let it go. The > "hair", of course, has nothing to do with bokeh and I don't know if > the > halo around the leaf is a bokeh effect or something else. Anyhow > those > two things prevent my full enjoyment of the image. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> Here is a photo I took several weeks ago. >> >> http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3174633142/ >> >> I shot these flowers in several different ways, changing what was in >> the background. In this case I included a railing to see whether it >> would be distracting and/or jittery or whether it would provide a >> little bit of contrast in the background that might provide more >> interest to the flowers, a sense of scale, and that sort of thing. >> While I don't get a "bokeh rush" from the image, I don't find it >> displeasing. But is it bokeh? Does it matter? >> >> Joel W. > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 20:35:52 2009 Received: (qmail 9224 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 19:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 19:35:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A4A4301D2 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09D6D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:35:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5FE19F5D3 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:35:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33C219F5CF for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:35:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16607 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 19:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090106-0, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 20:35:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963b29887011234514069 Or Eclipse (same company) for cleaning sensors (at least those without tin oxide) Eclipse is pure methanol or close to it. But the stuff is ridiculously expensive. Chuck Norcutt Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: "Wayne Harridge" >> >> Tried the citrus stuff and it didn't do too well, the alcohol was much >> better. I have a feeling that kero might be best but I just >> persisted with >> the alcohol. I'm very suspicious of acetone, it has eaten a few >> things in >> the past ! > > PEC-12, which I suspect is primarily methanol. > > You can also get methanol a lot cheaper via fuel-line de-icers in the > auto parts store, but I'd be suspicious of other additives that may be > in there. > > > :::: The epoch of the fossil fuels can only be a transitory and > ephemeral event... which has exercised the most drastic influence > experienced by the human species during its entire biological history. > -- M. King Hubbert :::: > :::: Jan Steinman :::: > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 20:36:12 2009 Received: (qmail 2203 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 19:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 19:36:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0F843020A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:36:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2C7D0404C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CD334AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:36:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E1734AC005 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:36:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:35:59 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n06JZteC009010 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:35:57 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:36:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 20:36:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963b2ac3511234514069 Joel, That is bokeh carried to the limit. OOF objects simply disappear. Very nice image. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: [OM] More managed bokeh > Here is a photo I took several weeks ago. > > http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3174633142/ > > I shot these flowers in several different ways, changing what was in > the background. In this case I included a railing to see whether it > would be distracting and/or jittery or whether it would provide a > little bit of contrast in the background that might provide more > interest to the flowers, a sense of scale, and that sort of thing. > While I don't get a "bokeh rush" from the image, I don't find it > displeasing. But is it bokeh? Does it matter? > > Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 20:38:59 2009 Received: (qmail 6030 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 19:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 19:38:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063A4430281 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5E6D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:38:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1CD34AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:38:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25B734AC005 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:38:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from wireless-169-235-53-119.ucr.edu (wireless-169-235-53-119.ucr.edu [169.235.53.119]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id DCD72977 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:38:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4963B28C.2010707@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:38:47 -0800 References: <95D1093D-8900-417A-8C7D-F2E831086B32@Bytesmiths.com> <4963B28C.2010707@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 20:38:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963b353295469117217770 What about going to a chemical supply place? Surely they'll have pure spirits? /s On Jan 6, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Or Eclipse (same company) for cleaning sensors (at least those without > tin oxide) Eclipse is pure methanol or close to it. But the stuff is > ridiculously expensive. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Jan Steinman wrote: >>> From: "Wayne Harridge" >>> >>> Tried the citrus stuff and it didn't do too well, the alcohol was >>> much >>> better. I have a feeling that kero might be best but I just >>> persisted with >>> the alcohol. I'm very suspicious of acetone, it has eaten a few >>> things in >>> the past ! >> >> PEC-12, which I suspect is primarily methanol. >> >> You can also get methanol a lot cheaper via fuel-line de-icers in the >> auto parts store, but I'd be suspicious of other additives that may >> be >> in there. >> >> >> :::: The epoch of the fossil fuels can only be a transitory and >> ephemeral event... which has exercised the most drastic influence >> experienced by the human species during its entire biological >> history. >> -- M. King Hubbert :::: >> :::: Jan Steinman :::: >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 20:42:18 2009 Received: (qmail 7212 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 19:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 19:42:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9A843026F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:42:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA30DD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:42:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78C119F61B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:42:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C6319F60D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:42:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:42:10 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n06Jg6d8012622 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:42:08 GMT Message-ID: <34BE406AF3154818AD26B1461934915C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:42:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 20:42:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963b41a134451035110158 Joel, Following the extender discussion, here is an image made using a Takumar 50/1.4 and a 2x extender. I liked the bokeh. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Fuchsia_Blooms_sm.jpg.html Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh > Joel, > > That is bokeh carried to the limit. OOF objects simply disappear. Very > nice > image. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Wilcox" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:43 PM > Subject: [OM] More managed bokeh > > >> Here is a photo I took several weeks ago. >> >> http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3174633142/ >> >> I shot these flowers in several different ways, changing what was in >> the background. In this case I included a railing to see whether it >> would be distracting and/or jittery or whether it would provide a >> little bit of contrast in the background that might provide more >> interest to the flowers, a sense of scale, and that sort of thing. >> While I don't get a "bokeh rush" from the image, I don't find it >> displeasing. But is it bokeh? Does it matter? >> >> Joel W. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 20:55:11 2009 Received: (qmail 8999 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 19:55:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 19:55:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AEF43029E for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E0ED0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:55:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6970534AC00C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:55:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14C834AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:54:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27962 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 19:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2009 19:54:58 -0000 Message-ID: <4963B711.7000301@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:54:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <34BE406AF3154818AD26B1461934915C@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <34BE406AF3154818AD26B1461934915C@jimnichols> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-0, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 20:55:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963b71f202031823421471 That's just beautiful, Jim. However, there is some banding of unknown origin in the bottom part of the image. Applying Neat Image reduces the grain and totally eliminates the banding. A touch of sharpening afterwards really makes it pop. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Joel, > > Following the extender discussion, here is an image made using a Takumar > 50/1.4 and a 2x extender. I liked the bokeh. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Fuchsia_Blooms_sm.jpg.html > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh > > >> Joel, >> >> That is bokeh carried to the limit. OOF objects simply disappear. Very >> nice >> image. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joel Wilcox" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:43 PM >> Subject: [OM] More managed bokeh >> >> >>> Here is a photo I took several weeks ago. >>> >>> http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3174633142/ >>> >>> I shot these flowers in several different ways, changing what was in >>> the background. In this case I included a railing to see whether it >>> would be distracting and/or jittery or whether it would provide a >>> little bit of contrast in the background that might provide more >>> interest to the flowers, a sense of scale, and that sort of thing. >>> While I don't get a "bokeh rush" from the image, I don't find it >>> displeasing. But is it bokeh? Does it matter? >>> >>> Joel W. >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 21:08:49 2009 Received: (qmail 19515 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 20:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 20:08:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D934A43025D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181EBD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31BD361000E for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:08:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4D5361000C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:08:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:08:40 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n06K8bkN022615 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:08:39 GMT Message-ID: <952750E5F84F46ABB618A1EEC035137A@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <34BE406AF3154818AD26B1461934915C@jimnichols> <4963B711.7000301@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:08:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 21:08:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963ba5181137350615338 Thanks, Chuck. That image is from several years ago, before I learned more of the secrets of digital processing. It was shot on film, with local lab processing, so the banding is not unexpected. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh > That's just beautiful, Jim. However, there is some banding of unknown > origin in the bottom part of the image. Applying Neat Image reduces the > grain and totally eliminates the banding. A touch of sharpening > afterwards really makes it pop. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Joel, >> >> Following the extender discussion, here is an image made using a Takumar >> 50/1.4 and a 2x extender. I liked the bokeh. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Fuchsia_Blooms_sm.jpg.html >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Nichols" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh >> >> >>> Joel, >>> >>> That is bokeh carried to the limit. OOF objects simply disappear. Very >>> nice >>> image. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joel Wilcox" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:43 PM >>> Subject: [OM] More managed bokeh >>> >>> >>>> Here is a photo I took several weeks ago. >>>> >>>> http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3174633142/ >>>> >>>> I shot these flowers in several different ways, changing what was in >>>> the background. In this case I included a railing to see whether it >>>> would be distracting and/or jittery or whether it would provide a >>>> little bit of contrast in the background that might provide more >>>> interest to the flowers, a sense of scale, and that sort of thing. >>>> While I don't get a "bokeh rush" from the image, I don't find it >>>> displeasing. But is it bokeh? Does it matter? >>>> >>>> Joel W. >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 21:13:38 2009 Received: (qmail 18324 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 20:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 20:13:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DAF43026D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D62D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E02834AC002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:13:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB19534AC00D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:13:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:13:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so2754259yxi.80 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:13:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.213.9 with SMTP id l9mr7650271wfg.12.1231272808467; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.14 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:13:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901061213w2e07342ub524bdaee1c00f8c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:13:28 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4963AF87.7070508@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <4963AF87.7070508@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 21:13:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963bb72250381702588592 HA! I think I used the "hair" as the focus point. I'll let you work with your shrink to resolve the hair issues. Hmmm. It seems to me one of your first comments to Ken when we all met last fall was about his hair. Or maybe it was about how tall he was. (It doesn't matter. Ken's actually short except that his hair makes him seem like he's 6'4".) I don't like the halo effect either, but I don't know whether to say "this lens just has bad bokeh" or whether I just needed to manage the isolation differently. Perhaps f7 or f5.6 instead of f8. Or f11? Here is a photo made with the bokeh champ, Zuiko 90/2 on E-1: http://myweb.uiowa.edu/jfwilcox/IRNP/Scoville%20Point%20Trail/slides/ir11.html I don't like some of the halo-ing in this photo either, but I would attribute it to my poor craftsmanship rather than to the lens. In other words, I'm leaning more and more towards the notion that good bokeh is quite a bit about skill, though I'm sure there are qualities in the lenses that help it along. Joel W. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The far background looks very good. At the intermediate distance to the > right of the center stem I'm bothered by two things. One is the halo > look around the perimeter of the green and brown edged leaf and the > second is a "hair" running between the leaves and across the stem of the > flower. I think either one alone might be OK but the pair of them in > close proximity draws my attention there and won't let it go. The > "hair", of course, has nothing to do with bokeh and I don't know if the > halo around the leaf is a bokeh effect or something else. Anyhow those > two things prevent my full enjoyment of the image. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> Here is a photo I took several weeks ago. >> >> http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3174633142/ >> >> I shot these flowers in several different ways, changing what was in >> the background. In this case I included a railing to see whether it >> would be distracting and/or jittery or whether it would provide a >> little bit of contrast in the background that might provide more >> interest to the flowers, a sense of scale, and that sort of thing. >> While I don't get a "bokeh rush" from the image, I don't find it >> displeasing. But is it bokeh? Does it matter? >> >> Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 21:23:41 2009 Received: (qmail 10298 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 20:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 20:23:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2327A43024A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90E3D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A45534AC005 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:23:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9870F34AC00E for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:23:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2441452and.35 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.134.10 with SMTP id h10mr11973254and.116.1231273412790; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:23:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:23:32 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901061213w2e07342ub524bdaee1c00f8c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <4963AF87.7070508@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061213w2e07342ub524bdaee1c00f8c@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 58b75cc09956e0de Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 21:23:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963bdcd213591257536491 > > HA! I think I used the "hair" as the focus point. I'll let you work > with your shrink to resolve the hair issues. Hmmm. It seems to me > one of your first comments to Ken when we all met last fall was about > his hair. Or maybe it was about how tall he was. (It doesn't matter. > Ken's actually short except that his hair makes him seem like he's > 6'4".) > Do I sense a "pick on Ken" theme here? (or hair?) That's OK, I've got broad shoulders somewhere beneath these locks. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 21:49:33 2009 Received: (qmail 28702 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 20:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 20:49:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CA6430276 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569B4D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F9819F89C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:49:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2A719F892 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:49:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2762629ywa.80 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.13.17 with SMTP id q17mr9304357wfi.222.1231274964931; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:49:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.14 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:49:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901061249v272a1f2eqafb519976c8288a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:49:24 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <4963AF87.7070508@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061213w2e07342ub524bdaee1c00f8c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 21:49:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963c3dd188051023412894 On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> HA! I think I used the "hair" as the focus point. I'll let you work >> with your shrink to resolve the hair issues. Hmmm. It seems to me >> one of your first comments to Ken when we all met last fall was about >> his hair. Or maybe it was about how tall he was. (It doesn't matter. >> Ken's actually short except that his hair makes him seem like he's >> 6'4".) >> > > > Do I sense a "pick on Ken" theme here? (or hair?) Sheer, unmitigated envy ... Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 22:12:38 2009 Received: (qmail 29036 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 21:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 21:12:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529BE4302A0 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79764D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2C919F8EE for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:12:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BB719F8E4 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:12:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:12:28 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n06LCNv4018665; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:12:25 GMT Message-ID: <9667A9CF459844178437B5F12DD17AFC@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:12:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 22:12:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963c94659534673671140 I finally decided to check out the Super-Multicoated-Takumar 50/1.4 on my Oly E-510. With no one else to use for an image, I decided to do another self-portrait, though holding the camera below my face and guessing at the field in view. After several images were checked, I concluded that bald heads don't add to images anyway, hence did a close crop. All told, the lens is a pleasure to use, and the results, notwithstanding the model, were not too bad. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Self-Portrait.jpg.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 22:29:59 2009 Received: (qmail 1428 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 21:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 21:29:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FAB430288 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BFAD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3728A34AC002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:29:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.495 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.495 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9090A34AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:29:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:29:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <13632275.56981231277888040.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-76-146.iburst.co.za ([41.213.76.146]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 741 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:38:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 23:29:45 +0200 References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 22:29:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963cd57130131023412894 It may be a bit off-topic, but allow me to show a couple of examples of the lens which I have the most bokeh experience with, the Canon EF 50mm f/ 1.2L: http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/The-road-to-obscurity-76168891 http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/The-Wrong-Era-74873910 http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/A-growing-loneliness-69292444 Since the bloody enlarger is not fixed yet, from peering at negatives it seems as if the Zuiko 90/2.0 gives it a go, but I will only be able to tell when I look at decent prints. But not that many lenses (especially at shorter focal lengths) have this kind of smooth bokeh - which alwasy seems to enhance the "depth" of an image. While I do consider it a fact that many lenses have distinctly more or less pleasing out-of-focus blur, it does indeed also rely on the shooting conditions and (especially) the distances involved. For example, the Canon EF 100/2.8 Macro, while a basically perfect lens, did not have nearly the same pleasing bokeh as either EF 50/1.2 or Zuiko 90/2.0. Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 22:36:35 2009 Received: (qmail 3360 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 21:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 21:36:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF992430299 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:36:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCE2D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:36:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392C934AC01F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:36:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5B234AC005 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:36:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:36:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from wireless-169-235-53-119.ucr.edu (wireless-169-235-53-119.ucr.edu [169.235.53.119]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id DCE20091 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:36:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9667A9CF459844178437B5F12DD17AFC@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:36:27 -0800 References: <9667A9CF459844178437B5F12DD17AFC@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 22:36:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963cee3277991946193717 Not a bad looking combo (the camera + silvernose lens I mean!!). My fav combo is the E3+50/1.4 Zuiko. /s On Jan 6, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > I finally decided to check out the Super-Multicoated-Takumar 50/1.4 > on my Oly E-510. With no one else to use for an image, I decided to > do another self-portrait, though holding the camera below my face > and guessing at the field in view. After several images were > checked, I concluded that bald heads don't add to images anyway, > hence did a close crop. > > All told, the lens is a pleasure to use, and the results, > notwithstanding the model, were not too bad. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Self-Portrait.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 22:39:48 2009 Received: (qmail 19177 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 21:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 21:39:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDCC4302BE for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51340D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21BE619F957 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:39:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD1719F952 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:39:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:39:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26551 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 21:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2009 21:39:33 -0000 Message-ID: <4963CF94.9050300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:39:32 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <4963AF87.7070508@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061213w2e07342ub524bdaee1c00f8c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901061213w2e07342ub524bdaee1c00f8c@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-0, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 22:39:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963cfa4310111869477228 It appears the bokeh champ didn't do so well on that one. But I don't think it's anything you did. The center white spots appear to be composed of a sharper central ring and fuzzy outer ring. That part of the image looks busy and jittery. If it were mine I'd first turn the saturation of the orange areas way down and then apply some gaussian blur to the background to get rid of those busy concentric rings. Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > HA! I think I used the "hair" as the focus point. I'll let you work > with your shrink to resolve the hair issues. Hmmm. It seems to me > one of your first comments to Ken when we all met last fall was about > his hair. Or maybe it was about how tall he was. (It doesn't matter. > Ken's actually short except that his hair makes him seem like he's > 6'4".) > > I don't like the halo effect either, but I don't know whether to say > "this lens just has bad bokeh" or whether I just needed to manage the > isolation differently. Perhaps f7 or f5.6 instead of f8. Or f11? > > Here is a photo made with the bokeh champ, Zuiko 90/2 on E-1: > > http://myweb.uiowa.edu/jfwilcox/IRNP/Scoville%20Point%20Trail/slides/ir11.html > > I don't like some of the halo-ing in this photo either, but I would > attribute it to my poor craftsmanship rather than to the lens. > > In other words, I'm leaning more and more towards the notion that good > bokeh is quite a bit about skill, though I'm sure there are qualities > in the lenses that help it along. > > Joel W. > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: >> The far background looks very good. At the intermediate distance to the >> right of the center stem I'm bothered by two things. One is the halo >> look around the perimeter of the green and brown edged leaf and the >> second is a "hair" running between the leaves and across the stem of the >> flower. I think either one alone might be OK but the pair of them in >> close proximity draws my attention there and won't let it go. The >> "hair", of course, has nothing to do with bokeh and I don't know if the >> halo around the leaf is a bokeh effect or something else. Anyhow those >> two things prevent my full enjoyment of the image. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Joel Wilcox wrote: >>> Here is a photo I took several weeks ago. >>> >>> http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3174633142/ >>> >>> I shot these flowers in several different ways, changing what was in >>> the background. In this case I included a railing to see whether it >>> would be distracting and/or jittery or whether it would provide a >>> little bit of contrast in the background that might provide more >>> interest to the flowers, a sense of scale, and that sort of thing. >>> While I don't get a "bokeh rush" from the image, I don't find it >>> displeasing. But is it bokeh? Does it matter? >>> >>> Joel W. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 22:47:38 2009 Received: (qmail 14030 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 21:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 21:47:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA3A43026A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:47:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453DBD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016AF19F96C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:47:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF93119F967 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:47:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:47:30 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n06LlRpx017795 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:47:29 GMT Message-ID: <0A8E572D803E4D628F013261F59BDE48@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9667A9CF459844178437B5F12DD17AFC@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:47:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 22:47:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963d17a8391993019900 Thanks for looking. One of the reasons that I chose the E-510 was its ability to use lenses that I already had. However, I keep looking at the AF Leica D-Summilux 25/1.4. If only the price were lower. :-) Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout > Not a bad looking combo (the camera + silvernose lens I mean!!). My > fav combo is the E3+50/1.4 Zuiko. > > /s > > On Jan 6, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> I finally decided to check out the Super-Multicoated-Takumar 50/1.4 >> on my Oly E-510. With no one else to use for an image, I decided to >> do another self-portrait, though holding the camera below my face >> and guessing at the field in view. After several images were >> checked, I concluded that bald heads don't add to images anyway, >> hence did a close crop. >> >> All told, the lens is a pleasure to use, and the results, >> notwithstanding the model, were not too bad. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Self-Portrait.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 23:05:36 2009 Received: (qmail 18639 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 22:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 22:05:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A08D43027B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3623D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9498134AC00D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:05:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA7834AC002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:05:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f16.google.com (mail-gx0-f16.google.com [209.85.217.16]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:05:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so159121gxk.14 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:05:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.154.17 with SMTP id b17mr12016937ane.155.1231279525344; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:05:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:05:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:05:25 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <13632275.56981231277888040.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <13632275.56981231277888040.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Google-Sender-Auth: de6edd7e78fb9bda Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 23:05:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963d5b053641585427447 > > For example, the Canon EF 100/2.8 Macro, while a basically perfect > lens, did not have > nearly the same pleasing bokeh as either EF 50/1.2 or Zuiko 90/2.0. The EF 100/2.8 Macro is an IF design lens with multiple moving groups (three, I believe). From the looks of it, when close-focused, the lens forms four distinct groups. In essence, the lens has it's own built-in multiplier. It is hard to dis. this lens, though. For field macro, I liked the longer focal-lengths Canon and Nikon offer, but I wouldn't hesitate to have this lens in my kit if I shot Canon. The Bokeh is not as "predictable" as a classic non-floating design, but the lens is capable of more exacting work. If you want to see what Bokeh is... http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=200&Itemid=1 AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 23:15:42 2009 Received: (qmail 154 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 22:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 22:15:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C794302C0 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:15:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE24D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:15:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E8419F9DD for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:15:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC6319F9E4 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:15:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15875 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 22:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2009 22:15:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4963D805.6000606@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:15:33 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9667A9CF459844178437B5F12DD17AFC@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <9667A9CF459844178437B5F12DD17AFC@jimnichols> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-0, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 23:15:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963d80e92017350615338 Hey, you're a handsome guy. Well done. My first thought was older guy with newer camera, newer camera with older lens. Older guy, Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > I finally decided to check out the Super-Multicoated-Takumar 50/1.4 on my Oly E-510. With no one else to use for an image, I decided to do another self-portrait, though holding the camera below my face and guessing at the field in view. After several images were checked, I concluded that bald heads don't add to images anyway, hence did a close crop. > > All told, the lens is a pleasure to use, and the results, notwithstanding the model, were not too bad. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Self-Portrait.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 23:18:26 2009 Received: (qmail 6617 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 22:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 22:18:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11072430267 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECA9D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA3B34AC00E for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:18:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CD234AC00D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:18:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:18:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17529 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 22:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2009 22:18:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4963D8A9.2090109@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:18:17 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <13632275.56981231277888040.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <13632275.56981231277888040.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-0, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 23:18:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963d8b2181022046811720 Good bokeh and nicely done. The Wrong Era sort of snuck up on me over a couple of seconds. At first I didn't see that 3 pointed star. Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > It may be a bit off-topic, but allow me to show a couple of examples > of the > lens which I have the most bokeh experience with, the Canon EF 50mm f/ > 1.2L: > > http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/The-road-to-obscurity-76168891 > http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/The-Wrong-Era-74873910 > http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/A-growing-loneliness-69292444 > > Since the bloody enlarger is not fixed yet, from peering at negatives > it seems as > if the Zuiko 90/2.0 gives it a go, but I will only be able to tell > when I look > at decent prints. But not that many lenses (especially at shorter > focal lengths) have > this kind of smooth bokeh - which alwasy seems to enhance the "depth" > of an image. > > While I do consider it a fact that many lenses have distinctly more or > less pleasing > out-of-focus blur, it does indeed also rely on the shooting conditions > and > (especially) the distances involved. > > For example, the Canon EF 100/2.8 Macro, while a basically perfect > lens, did not have > nearly the same pleasing bokeh as either EF 50/1.2 or Zuiko 90/2.0. > > Dawid > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 23:25:40 2009 Received: (qmail 287 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 22:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 22:25:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ADC430292 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:25:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F252D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:25:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E51A34AC00F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:25:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CED34AC002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:25:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0Dvs1b0460SCNGk55NRblg; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:25:35 +0000 Received: from smailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.205.174]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0NRb1b00T3mHKmL3VNRbvq; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:25:35 +0000 Received: from [71.224.233.82] by smailcenter74.comcast.net; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:25:33 +0000 From: donholbrook@comcast.net (Don Holbrook) To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:25:33 +0000 Message-Id: <010620092225.16180.4963DA5D0005492D00003F3422070229330501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZG9uaG9sYnJvb2tAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution for '09 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 23:25:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963da64307077927319144 That it is. Will give you a heads-up if there's time -:) -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ian Manners" > Hi Don, > > Dibbs on the Zuiko 35-80 F2.8 if thats what it is. > > Cheers > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 23:29:43 2009 Received: (qmail 23736 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 22:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 22:29:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D923143026F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB0BD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684E519FA2B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:29:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE4D19FA1D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:29:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:29:35 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n06MTWku002026 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:29:34 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9667A9CF459844178437B5F12DD17AFC@jimnichols> <4963D805.6000606@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:29:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 23:29:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963db5787857350615338 Like I said, Chuck, I decided that bald heads don't add to a photo. Thanks for looking. When you are 78 and counting, every day is a good day. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout > Hey, you're a handsome guy. Well done. My first thought was older guy > with newer camera, newer camera with older lens. > > Older guy, > Chuck Norcutt > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> I finally decided to check out the Super-Multicoated-Takumar 50/1.4 on my >> Oly E-510. With no one else to use for an image, I decided to do another >> self-portrait, though holding the camera below my face and guessing at >> the field in view. After several images were checked, I concluded that >> bald heads don't add to images anyway, hence did a close crop. >> >> All told, the lens is a pleasure to use, and the results, notwithstanding >> the model, were not too bad. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Self-Portrait.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 23:41:34 2009 Received: (qmail 5533 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 22:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 22:41:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6D943027F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98106D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D86934AC002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:41:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC8534AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:41:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:41:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0DrJ1b00717dt5G59NhUev; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:41:28 +0000 Received: from smailcenter46.comcast.net ([204.127.205.146]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0NhT1b00T3A2WJs3ZNhUpG; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:41:28 +0000 Received: from [71.224.233.82] by smailcenter46.comcast.net; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:41:26 +0000 From: donholbrook@comcast.net (Don Holbrook) To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:41:26 +0000 Message-Id: <010620092241.17652.4963DE160004A3CD000044F422007347480501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZG9uaG9sYnJvb2tAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution for '09 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 23:41:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963de1e37442336821329 When I was your age, I couldn't either. Retired now, work a little on the side, stash the $ & look for opportunity. Your time will come too -- just keep the faith. PS-nice photo - how did you meter it? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Chris Crawford > I don't have any closet queens, I can't afford to collect. Everything I have > now gets used day in and day out for my work, including all of my OM gear. > If I could afford it, I'd have (and use) a 35-80 Zuiko along with a few > other OM items that will likely never make their way into my bag. I sold a > print last week..YAY! The photo was made with OM gear. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jan 6 23:45:13 2009 Received: (qmail 5723 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 22:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 22:45:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870A5430277 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23753D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:45:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F370A19FF84 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:45:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71ED819FFDA for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:45:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30947 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 2009 22:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2009 22:45:03 -0000 Message-ID: <4963DEEF.3070404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:45:03 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9667A9CF459844178437B5F12DD17AFC@jimnichols> <4963D805.6000606@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-0, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jan 6 23:45:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963def989797927319144 You don't have enough wrinkles to be 78. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Like I said, Chuck, I decided that bald heads don't add to a photo. Thanks > for looking. When you are 78 and counting, every day is a good day. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:15 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout > > >> Hey, you're a handsome guy. Well done. My first thought was older guy >> with newer camera, newer camera with older lens. >> >> Older guy, >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> I finally decided to check out the Super-Multicoated-Takumar 50/1.4 on my >>> Oly E-510. With no one else to use for an image, I decided to do another >>> self-portrait, though holding the camera below my face and guessing at >>> the field in view. After several images were checked, I concluded that >>> bald heads don't add to images anyway, hence did a close crop. >>> >>> All told, the lens is a pleasure to use, and the results, notwithstanding >>> the model, were not too bad. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Self-Portrait.jpg.html >>> >>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 00:02:20 2009 Received: (qmail 17049 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 23:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 23:02:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED781430307 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EE3D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DCB1A0018 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:02:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF21A1A0012 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:02:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl34.gs02.gridserver.com (cl34.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.43]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:02:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50371 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl34.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LKKw8-0001nI-4D for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:02:12 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:02:10 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Resolution for '09 Thread-Index: AclwUs3ZDCj1MNxGEd28gwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <010620092241.17652.4963DE160004A3CD000044F422007347480501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution for '09 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 00:02:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963e2fc103191257536491 Thanks, I used the spot meter in my OM-4T. I metered the ground and the sky to see how much difference there was between them and set exposure to ensure that the white sky didn't go pure white and the ground still had tone and detail. I don't remember the exact exposure, it was a couple years ago, but I probably placed the ground on zone 5 or 4 and the sky probably fell on zone 7 or 8. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/6/09 5:41 PM, "Don Holbrook" wrote: > When I was your age, I couldn't either. Retired now, work a little on the > side, stash the $ & look for opportunity. Your time will come too -- just > keep the faith. PS-nice photo - how did you meter it? > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Chris Crawford > >> I don't have any closet queens, I can't afford to collect. Everything I have >> now gets used day in and day out for my work, including all of my OM gear. >> If I could afford it, I'd have (and use) a 35-80 Zuiko along with a few >> other OM items that will likely never make their way into my bag. I sold a >> print last week..YAY! The photo was made with OM gear. > >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 00:15:02 2009 Received: (qmail 16181 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 23:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 23:15:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4665B430330 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487D2D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:14:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D20434AC00E for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:14:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0CC34AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:14:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:14:54 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n06NEpg3003492 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 23:14:52 GMT Message-ID: <73FF722C2B494B5FAF393CF20ADC12E1@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9667A9CF459844178437B5F12DD17AFC@jimnichols> <4963D805.6000606@chucknorcutt.com> <4963DEEF.3070404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:14:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 00:15:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963e5f6289225368819438 Must be clean living.;-) What you can't see are the two mechanical valves clicking away in my heart for the last 15 years. That made me give up flying, so I had to get back to photography. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout > You don't have enough wrinkles to be 78. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Like I said, Chuck, I decided that bald heads don't add to a photo. >> Thanks >> for looking. When you are 78 and counting, every day is a good day. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout >> >> >>> Hey, you're a handsome guy. Well done. My first thought was older guy >>> with newer camera, newer camera with older lens. >>> >>> Older guy, >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> I finally decided to check out the Super-Multicoated-Takumar 50/1.4 on >>>> my >>>> Oly E-510. With no one else to use for an image, I decided to do >>>> another >>>> self-portrait, though holding the camera below my face and guessing at >>>> the field in view. After several images were checked, I concluded that >>>> bald heads don't add to images anyway, hence did a close crop. >>>> >>>> All told, the lens is a pleasure to use, and the results, >>>> notwithstanding >>>> the model, were not too bad. >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Self-Portrait.jpg.html >>>> >>>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols >>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 00:36:25 2009 Received: (qmail 5882 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 23:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 23:36:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162A44302A7 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592B7D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D5F1A005D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:36:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008691A005B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:36:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:36:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 07 Jan 2009 10:36:15 +1100 Message-ID: <100-edea6349-36758.003@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:36:13 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <010620092225.16180.4963DA5D0005492D00003F3422070229330501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> References: <010620092225.16180.4963DA5D0005492D00003F3422070229330501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution for '09 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 00:36:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963eaf9291761744846740 Hi Don, > That it is. Will give you a heads-up if there's time -:) When you dont end up using it and it lives in the closet and you decide to sell it :-) > > Dibbs on the Zuiko 35-80 F2.8 if thats what it is. [The bit above should have had a :o) on it.] Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ ADVANCED DESIGN -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 00:37:12 2009 Received: (qmail 20976 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 23:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 23:37:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745484302C0 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:37:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D85D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:37:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BAD34AC005 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:37:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3777434AC002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:37:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so2787187yxi.80 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.105.15 with SMTP id d15mr12087378anc.69.1231285025474; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:37:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:37:05 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <010620092241.17652.4963DE160004A3CD000044F422007347480501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <010620092241.17652.4963DE160004A3CD000044F422007347480501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4081d1031d7c6756 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution for '09 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 00:37:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963eb28275431946193717 I have a theory that you should never own more camera gear than you can carry at one time. The 35-80 is a nice lens. A VERY nice lens. But until a few weeks ago, I never used one before. All those images I've shot with the OM gear since 1986? Not a single one with this lens. And amazingly enough, there are a handful of pictures that qualify as decent. :) But, that said, the 35-80 has instantly found a home on the OM bodies as a front-line lens. It is an immense pleasure to use not necessarily because it is a "better" lens than the F2.8 primes in the same range, but because it offers the same performance with the flexibility of being a zoom. And what may be totally shocking to you all, it is the only lens in my kit that I'm tempted to actually buy a "protective filter" for. The problem with Lens-Lust is that it never stops. Once you lust after one lens, when you finally get it, you start lusting after another, and then another... The cycle never stops. We jokingly call it being a "Zuikoholic", but the constant dissatisfaction in ones kit is not healthy. Through the years, my kit could be called "humble" or "low budget". It is actually almost embarrassing to show up at the race track and the largest camera/lens combination I can muster is dinky compared to the typical Nikon and Canon kits that festoon the media center. But the images I get are anything but embarrassing and at the end of the day, I've gotten pictures that the others haven't gotten. The point is, just get out and shoot with what you have. To the point about the 2009 resolutions, I would encourage everybody to shoot at least one photo with every single piece of equipment you have. One shot per lens, per camera, per whatever accessory. After all, when you bought the items, you had dreams about what shots you planned on getting with them. For many of us, those "dream shots" have yet to be fulfilled. My personal 2009 goals is to use film whenever possible. Digital is a supplement to film this year. I've subscribed and paid my dues to APUG.ORGand the www.zone-10.com website will drive people to the point of illness with my constant drumbeating about the positives of film. My name is Ken NORTON, not Ken ROCKWELL, but the themes may be about the same. Film still works! I did a financial analysis of film-vs-digital for 2009 and I'm big money ahead by shooting film for a planned 10 weddings this year. Yes, believe it or not, I can actually shoot film less expensively than having to buy a new digital camera in 2009. The amortized costs of a digital upgrade allow me to shoot 480 pictures on film per wedding and still break even. (this is film shot and digitized--to provide a digital post-production workflow). Your numbers may vary, but this what works for me. With the economy in question, there is no way I can risk sinking big money into the business and risk having too few bookings or having to adjust my rates downward. Just by changing one thing in my wedding business plan (the doing away with the proof book), I save enough money to shoot 300 pictures on film. And I'll still be shooting some digital anyway for the low-percentage shots and duplicates. As to senior portraits and stuff, well, I've been shooting digital the past few years, but honestly the images just leave me wanting--wanting for the richness and skintones that film gives me as well as the fact my 100/2.8 gets to be used properly. (just maybe that 35-80 is also a great portrait lens too). AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 00:42:46 2009 Received: (qmail 19384 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 23:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 23:42:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65D0430289 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4565D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9685334AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:42:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238FD34AC00D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:42:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2470399and.35 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.143.12 with SMTP id q12mr12097341and.22.1231285358423; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:42:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:42:38 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <49635B1D.6010003@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> <4962B53D.8080604@chucknorcutt.com> <4962BEED.60509@chucknorcutt.com> <6EE1F8AF-2102-4B79-9B89-9A62746E0F3C@people.net.au> <49635B1D.6010003@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 38d3deed23f1b811 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 00:42:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963ec76318402336821329 > > I never use anything but center focus point. Can't imagine why I'd want > to use anything else unless maybe focusing off center on a tripod and > don't want to move the camera. But even that assumes one of those > points will fall exactly where desired. Not likely. > There is one more feature the "average Canon user" isn't well-versed in. It's the big focus-point selector ring found on the lens itself. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 00:45:36 2009 Received: (qmail 21564 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2009 23:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 23:45:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A0B430281 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62763D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4739034AC013 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:45:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5223434AC00D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:45:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 07 Jan 2009 10:45:28 +1100 Message-ID: <100-15ed6349-25442.004@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:45:25 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <010620092241.17652.4963DE160004A3CD000044F422007347480501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> <010620092241.17652.4963DE160004A3CD000044F422007347480501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution for '09 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 00:45:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963ed2021531529615919 Hi Ken, > I have a theory that you should never own more camera gear than you can > carry at one time. > The 35-80 is a nice lens. A VERY nice lens. But until a few weeks ago, I My 35-80 was pinched with my 4Ti, got a replacement 4Ti but having problems (wonder why) getting a replacement 35-80. And my other lense's I use occasionally but the 35-80 was always my main lense, was.... My next most used lens on an OM body would be the 100 F2.8 followed by my macro stuff. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 01:10:18 2009 Received: (qmail 800 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 00:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 00:10:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425DB430318 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1C2D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A801A00AE for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:10:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4DF1A00B5 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:10:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4097 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 00:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 00:10:06 -0000 Message-ID: <4963F2DE.5080804@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:10:06 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> <4962B53D.8080604@chucknorcutt.com> <4962BEED.60509@chucknorcutt.com> <6EE1F8AF-2102-4B79-9B89-9A62746E0F3C@people.net.au> <49635B1D.6010003@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-1, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 01:10:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963f2ea176429117217770 It's because we don't actually need to use it. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> I never use anything but center focus point. Can't imagine why I'd want >> to use anything else unless maybe focusing off center on a tripod and >> don't want to move the camera. But even that assumes one of those >> points will fall exactly where desired. Not likely. >> > > > There is one more feature the "average Canon user" isn't well-versed in. > It's the big focus-point selector ring found on the lens itself. > > :) > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 01:54:10 2009 Received: (qmail 20497 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 00:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 00:54:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2E2430330 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:54:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BFBD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2A934AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:54:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF04134AC00E for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:54:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.cb7.46769f1d (37543) for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.154]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB024-5c3b4963fd214e; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:53:58 -0500 Received: from webmailbeta-m08 (webmailbeta-m08.sim.aol.com [64.12.141.100]) by smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB031-5c3b4963fd214e; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:53:54 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:53:53 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 40975-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmailbeta-m08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.141.100) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:53:53 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB3E798BF83C0B-770-11A8@webmailbeta-m08.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 01:54:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963fd32290737350615338 As we've seemed to digress into bokeh battles, I'll nominate Big Foot (CV 125 f2.5 APO) as a bokeh beauty. I hope I won't be accused of heresy and I do have it in OM mount. It can be almost magic at most distances wider than F8 foreground included. The magic can fade significantly depending on the distances involved after that. The Z. 135 is not leaving my grasp but the bokeh is a bit busier under similiar conditions as far as I can tell. The CV remains quite sharp wide open but is more subject to vibration due to its weight, length and lack of tripod mount. The Walt/Moose bean-shot filled bag is a nice aid with it. I did post a couple macro examples with it but here is a bit more info: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/715500 http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/681627/0?keyword=cv,125#6102975 I'll admit to being smitten, and things look most impressive thorugh the OM VF and as AG has said the 1-13 seems better to judge the bokeh, though I can rely on Big Foot when I do use my 2-13 in the 4-T to usually come through. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 02:01:04 2009 Received: (qmail 18851 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 01:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 01:01:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67744302A6 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0CFD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1D734AC018 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:00:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE8C34AC00D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:00:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so9039812wfd.26 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.28.8 with SMTP id f8mr9401960wfj.204.1231290053839; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.14 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:00:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901061700nb4ae8fbo19768e1c7dc9ee65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:00:53 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <13632275.56981231277888040.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <13632275.56981231277888040.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 02:01:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4963fed0191131529615919 On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > It may be a bit off-topic, but allow me to show a couple of examples > of the > lens which I have the most bokeh experience with, the Canon EF 50mm f/ > 1.2L: > > http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/The-road-to-obscurity-76168891 > http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/The-Wrong-Era-74873910 > http://philosomatographer.deviantart.com/art/A-growing-loneliness-69292444 Those are beauties. On the third, the closer of the left lampposts has a doubling which might be considered less than ideal, but there is not much of it, and they all seem well-managed to get the best effect that the lens can bring off. > > While I do consider it a fact that many lenses have distinctly more or > less pleasing > out-of-focus blur, it does indeed also rely on the shooting conditions > and > (especially) the distances involved. This is exactly what I think too. Thanks for sharing your examples. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 02:14:50 2009 Received: (qmail 16492 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 01:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 01:14:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1922430330 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:14:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C317D0404C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AEB1A0153 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:14:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2001A0156 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:14:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10375 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 01:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 01:14:39 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106200524.01122338@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:14:37 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child -oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 02:14:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964020a276802336821329 At 02:20 PM 1/5/2009, Chris wrote: >LOL. Mine reaches almost to my waist! Women actually tell me they're jealous >and they want my hair. Its unfair, they say, that a man has more beautiful >hair than we have! I've heard that.Although not quite to the waist. I just have to watch the wind sometimes. http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/_MG_6839_06.jpg Me testing an OM 50/1.4 lens on 5D And it was originally brown hair at one time. Never quite recovered from that marine corps bootcamp experience during the draft days early 70's. Over compensation I guess but the wife won't let me cut it off. Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 02:23:50 2009 Received: (qmail 2545 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 01:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 01:23:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D764F430332 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C908D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F471CD483 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:23:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201E01CD481 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:23:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2480775and.35 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.13.2 with SMTP id 2mr12117510anm.74.1231291423002; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:23:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:23:42 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106200524.01122338@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106200524.01122338@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 944f18ba5b39df79 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Warning this picture contains a 3ti 180/2 and cute child -oh and me needing a haircut X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 02:23:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964042632591073733319 Wayne wrote: > > I've heard that.Although not quite to the waist. > I just have to watch the wind sometimes. > http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/_MG_6839_06.jpg > Me testing an OM 50/1.4 lens on 5D > And it was originally brown hair at one time. > Never quite recovered from that marine corps bootcamp experience > during the draft days early 70's. Over compensation I guess > but the wife won't let me cut it off. > Interesting! Our hair is about the same length! I'm sure, if it wasn't for Miss Clairol, our hair colors would be about the same. Nice to see that there is another RHOT photographer out there. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 02:24:35 2009 Received: (qmail 31462 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 01:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 01:24:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169D4430307 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBE8D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5021CD483 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:24:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B841CD481 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:24:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so9048734wfd.26 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.10.15 with SMTP id n15mr9408615wfi.319.1231291469105; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.14 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:24:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901061724ud65f5abx5dd84948e728eaa9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:24:29 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4963CF94.9050300@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <4963AF87.7070508@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061213w2e07342ub524bdaee1c00f8c@mail.gmail.com> <4963CF94.9050300@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 02:24:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49640453169738512572685 I had similar thoughts, but I think I might desaturate the orange a bit and call it good. Too little time for more promising images to spend a lot of time PS-ing this one. Bokeh wasn't too ugly on this one: http://myweb.uiowa.edu/jfwilcox/IRNP/Tobin%20Harbor/slides/ir40.html I used fairly small stops because I carried a tripod and many subjects were in the MR of 1:10 or smaller. It's more important to me to get the right stuff in focus than achieve inspiring bokeh, though it's nice to get both. It reminds me that I need to bracket more for focus and DOF than I do. Other examples show the capabilities of the lens to good enough effect: http://myweb.uiowa.edu/jfwilcox/IRNP/Tobin%20Harbor/slides/ir18.html but not everyone will enjoy background like that. Joel W. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It appears the bokeh champ didn't do so well on that one. But I don't > think it's anything you did. The center white spots appear to be > composed of a sharper central ring and fuzzy outer ring. That part of > the image looks busy and jittery. If it were mine I'd first turn the > saturation of the orange areas way down and then apply some gaussian > blur to the background to get rid of those busy concentric rings. > > Chuck Norcutt > >> >> Here is a photo made with the bokeh champ, Zuiko 90/2 on E-1: >> >> http://myweb.uiowa.edu/jfwilcox/IRNP/Scoville%20Point%20Trail/slides/ir11.html >> >> I don't like some of the halo-ing in this photo either, but I would >> attribute it to my poor craftsmanship rather than to the lens. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 02:26:38 2009 Received: (qmail 9413 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 01:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 01:26:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C379A4302CE for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:26:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5172D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A589C1CD485 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:26:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5851CD483 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:26:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17203 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 01:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 01:26:31 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106202342.011234b8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:26:30 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <0AC083A0366A4ABF813CA953B7A7C285@main> References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <4962196F.4050107@chucknorcutt.com> <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> <4962B53D.8080604@chucknorcutt.com> <4962BEED.60509@chucknorcutt.com> <0AC083A0366A4ABF813CA953B7A7C285@main> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 02:26:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496404ce163061470116606 Shut Up.... no way... get out... ws - falling behind the times. At 07:36 AM 1/6/2009, C.H.Ling wrote: >Yeah! the Canon digital is just so good at most situations so users >gradually forgot about all the technique they learnt from the film ages. We >Olympus users are just so much better, Olympus is trying to keep us always >in good shape: > >- less RAW headroom so we need accurate exposure and may need an external >meter too. >- so many AF issues so we have to rely on our own eyes. >- tilt viewfinder challenging our natural leveling ability. >- heavy pro lenses, need more exercise to carry them. > >Oh! just purchased a 5D Mark II, I think it is time to throw away the tripod >:-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 02:39:06 2009 Received: (qmail 15435 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 01:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 01:39:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2B8430289 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2070D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A8C1CD481 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436471CD483 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.189]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k57so4829008rnd.13 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.126.15 with SMTP id y15mr12144255anc.38.1231292340264; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:39:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:39:00 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901061724ud65f5abx5dd84948e728eaa9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <4963AF87.7070508@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061213w2e07342ub524bdaee1c00f8c@mail.gmail.com> <4963CF94.9050300@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061724ud65f5abx5dd84948e728eaa9@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e4f815ac3f56fa9f Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 02:39:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496407ba266591869477228 Joel, if you keep showing those Isle Royale pictures, we just might be able to book another workshop!!! However, I'll pass on the canoe adventure where we tried to cross the harbor in a gale. (folks, Isle Royale really is that beautiful, this isn't just a case of good photographers putting a gloss over boredom) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 02:47:51 2009 Received: (qmail 12983 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 01:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 01:47:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F62430265 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:47:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2337BD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:47:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F831CD486 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:47:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CFD1CD484 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:47:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5347 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 01:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.131) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 01:47:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CB3E798BF83C0B-770-11A8@webmailbeta-m08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB3E798BF83C0B-770-11A8@webmailbeta-m08.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: <6B22A998-91D6-416F-B090-DCE6CA51617A@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:47:31 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 02:47:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496409c716951234514069 OK - boke - recent favorites - Canon 400mm f4L DO IS - wonderful smooth background. Great portrait lens! Nikon 400mm f2.8. Blended the crowd in the background at the football brilliantly. Of course, you're getting what you pay for! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/01/2009, at 11:53 AM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > As we've seemed to digress into bokeh battles, I'll nominate Big Foot > (CV 125 f2.5 APO) as a bokeh beauty. I hope I won't be > accused of heresy and I do have it in OM mount. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 03:02:06 2009 Received: (qmail 13593 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 02:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 02:02:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD09C430330 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC21D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9798434AC00D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:02:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC52C34AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:02:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.251]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so8083586rvb.50 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.141.21 with SMTP id o21mr5998814wfd.126.1231293720380; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.14 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:02:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901061802o15baacd3rf6259bed8083e053@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:02:00 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [OM] Going home X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 03:02:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49640d1e272458512572685 I'm going to pack up the laptop and get ready to head back to the mainland. Home is home, but it's hard to leave a place that is for all intents and purposes a second home and tropical in January to boot. Aloha until we meet again. Here's a parting photo: http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3175760200/ I went to this location hoping for a big red ball dropping into the ocean, but instead I was rewarded with somewhat Turneresque clouds. No complaints. Aloha doods and doodettes, Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 03:20:05 2009 Received: (qmail 23617 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 02:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 02:20:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAB7430336 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4FBD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9F134AC00F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:19:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE24D34AC00E for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:19:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:19:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19592 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 02:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 02:19:54 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106204606.011a0cf8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:19:51 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> <4C157283-C8AB-4530-A3A1-6BEABC02CA08@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901051023y2587f08cya0d6d6bb09b40f9b@mail.gmail.com> <496256CD.5000808@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061032n4e5b395bh680bae47726bf8e1@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 03:20:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49641155284271823421471 Very good analysis Ken and what I had always wondered. Perhaps you can resurrect some comments you made in the past on overly corrected zoom lenses and bokeh. My take away from what you wrote some time ago about highly corrected lenses was that these lenses produce sharp focus at the plane of focus, but diverge the light differently when out of focus, for instance the light entering the perimeter may be slightly different angle than closer to the center. The bokeh then is very dependent on aperture and relative distance of the out of focus parts of the scene. The effect can seem as if a point out of focus will be non-uniform. Also textured backgrounds are sometimes worse. Here is a relatively unprocessed image, full resolution, no sharping image shot with Can*n 70-200/2.8 lens. The tree branch moves off into the back ground, so the relative out of focus areas vary. large1.5m image: http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/beast_MG_9170.jpg Another one, and this is a really really bad shot, but the bark creates funky out-of-focus texture. (Can*n 24-105/4 lens) 1.2m image: http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/ugly_MG_1410.jpg Of course the other issue is that both these lenses were using IS and hand-held. IS can introduce another dimension to the bokeh phenomenon. So, I wonder, even the best of lenses, whether the out-of-focus area is pleasing or not will depend on what the actual background is? Add to that sharpening effects for even more variation. WayneS At 01:55 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote: >I'm reminded of a lesson learned with the Vivitar 2X macro extender. This >device sat between the lens and the camera body and not only provided >variable extension but included the 2X multiplier optics. The rule of thumb >is this: > >The multiplier sitting behind the extension provides magnification of the >image being transmitted through it. However, if the multiplier is sitting >in front of the extension, the image will have the characteristic of the >multiplied focal length of the lens used. The resulting images are >completely different. > >Inotherwords, if you placed a 2X multiplier behind a 50mm lens, you >generally got a similar image to that from a 100mm lens. And then you just >extend this lens-combination to get the close-focusing you want. However, if >you place the extension between the 50mm lens and the multiplier, you got >the image characteristics of a cropped 50mm lens image. This had a >tremendous bearing on the resulting bokeh. > >I suspect that many lens designs today (especially zooms) are essentially a >short focal-length followed by a multiplier (or variable multiplier in the >case of zooms). Since most lenses now are IF (internal focusing), the gap >between the front group and the back group is being extended during >focusing. This would explain why many zoom lenses give the image results of >a crop of a lesser focal length instead of the bokeh of a fixed prime lens >of say a classic Tessar design. > >AG > >You want beautiful bokeh? Get yourself a classic Zuiko 35/2.8. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 03:58:38 2009 Received: (qmail 24006 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 02:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 02:58:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE1C43034B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C22AD0404B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1071034AC00D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:58:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CE934AC00E for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:58:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2489662and.35 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:58:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.46.10 with SMTP id t10mr12145893ant.136.1231297112089; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:58:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:58:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:58:32 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106204606.011a0cf8@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> <4C157283-C8AB-4530-A3A1-6BEABC02CA08@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901051023y2587f08cya0d6d6bb09b40f9b@mail.gmail.com> <496256CD.5000808@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061032n4e5b395bh680bae47726bf8e1@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106204606.011a0cf8@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5482b08e9033410d Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 03:58:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49641a5e65491023412894 > > Another one, and this is a really really bad shot, but the bark creates > funky out-of-focus texture. (Can*n 24-105/4 lens) 1.2m image: > http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/ugly_MG_1410.jpg > > That's some "crotch shot" you got there! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 04:00:11 2009 Received: (qmail 23654 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 03:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 03:00:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FB44302CB for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:00:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2D4D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C84334AC00F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:00:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E175B34AC00C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:00:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2489808and.35 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.227.6 with SMTP id z6mr12166753ang.34.1231297205081; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:00:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:00:05 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901061802o15baacd3rf6259bed8083e053@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901061802o15baacd3rf6259bed8083e053@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a1f606d4236181b3 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Going home X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 04:00:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49641abb83854673671140 We'll leave the light on for you. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 04:16:08 2009 Received: (qmail 10989 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 03:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 03:16:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690C843032F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041EFD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C041CD483 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:16:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD3F1CD485 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:16:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from blu0-omc3-s21.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s21.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU0-SMTP49 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:16:00 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [69.158.14.208] X-Originating-Email: [andrew.gullen@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: Received: from [69.158.14.208] ([69.158.14.208]) by BLU0-SMTP49.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:16:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <13632275.56981231277888040.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> From: Andrew Gullen Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:15:03 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2009 03:16:00.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[43ADB840:01C97076] Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 04:16:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49641e78261691342116753 Now that's lovely bokeh, especially the first on the second page. What could have been distracting leaves is rendered as a soft echo of the flowers. Very nice images otherwise too. Andrew On Jan 6, 2009, at 17:05, Ken Norton wrote: > If you want to see what Bokeh is... > > http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php? > option=com_content&task=view&id=200&Itemid=1 > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 04:27:46 2009 Received: (qmail 31937 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 03:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 03:27:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B904302CD for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:27:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E676D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387E41CD482 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:27:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D941CD481 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:27:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28720 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 03:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 03:27:38 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106215621.0112b460@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:27:36 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.co m> References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 04:27:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49642132178737350615338 One of my favorite lenses is the Canyon180mm macro. 1 http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_1925.jpg F7.1 2 http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_1931.jpg F7.1 3 http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_2034.jpg F10 4 http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_2018.jpg F10 5 http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_9937.jpg F10 These are un-cropped but reduced size. The 4th one has the wings going in and out of plane-of-focus. Canyon 100/2.8 macro wide open: http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_9902.jpg F2.8 Probably one of the reasons higher pixel count is pointless for macro shots, as I rarely shoot in the optimal F-stop range, and if I do, how many pixels does it take to render bokeh? WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 04:35:46 2009 Received: (qmail 24030 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 03:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 03:35:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4734E4302A0 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D73CD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18B61CD481 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:35:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C811CD483 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:35:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1740 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 03:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 03:35:39 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106223410.01161570@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:35:15 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> <4C157283-C8AB-4530-A3A1-6BEABC02CA08@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901051023y2587f08cya0d6d6bb09b40f9b@mail.gmail.com> <496256CD.5000808@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061032n4e5b395bh680bae47726bf8e1@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106204606.011a0cf8@zuik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 04:35:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49642312265865368819438 At 09:58 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote: >> >> Another one, and this is a really really bad shot, but the bark creates >> funky out-of-focus texture. (Can*n 24-105/4 lens) 1.2m image: >> http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/ugly_MG_1410.jpg >> >> >That's some "crotch shot" you got there! 24-105 @ 105 F8 http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_8916.jpg WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 04:40:24 2009 Received: (qmail 19962 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 03:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 03:40:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB8843034C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02FFD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:40:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B512334AC00D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:40:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEA234AC00C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:40:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2493331and.35 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.119.17 with SMTP id r17mr347335anc.130.1231299617157; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:40:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:40:17 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106215621.0112b460@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106215621.0112b460@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: eec119e4a1309a4b Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 04:40:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49642428220631257536491 > > Canyon 100/2.8 macro wide open: > http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_9902.jpg F2.8 > Oh WOW! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 04:55:07 2009 Received: (qmail 1961 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 03:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 03:55:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD9D430333 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44004D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:55:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A1C34AC00E for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:55:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D2434AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:54:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13373 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 03:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 03:54:55 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106225204.011d4b08@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:54:54 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: <010620092241.17652.4963DE160004A3CD000044F422007347480501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution for '09 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 04:55:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964279b144778512572685 At 06:37 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote: > > >To the point about the 2009 resolutions, I would encourage everybody to >shoot at least one photo with every single piece of equipment you have. One >shot per lens, per camera, per whatever accessory. After all, when you >bought the items, you had dreams about what shots you planned on getting >with them. For many of us, those "dream shots" have yet to be fulfilled. Ok Captain Ag. Mission received and programmed. But can I leave out all the 50mm and just pick one? WayneS - Lens Luster -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 04:58:07 2009 Received: (qmail 18569 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 03:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 03:58:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3D0430308 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6E0D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5C234AC00D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:58:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C3434AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:58:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15360 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 03:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 03:57:58 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106225541.011b5660@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:57:58 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: <49600DF0.9080300@chucknorcutt.com> <496249AD.9030603@chucknorcutt.com> <4962B53D.8080604@chucknorcutt.com> <4962BEED.60509@chucknorcutt.com> <6EE1F8AF-2102-4B79-9B89-9A62746E0F3C@people.net.au> <49635B1D.6010003@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Be careful where you sit... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 04:58:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964284f164921499373980 At 06:42 PM 1/6/2009, Ag wrote: >There is one more feature the "average Canon user" isn't well-versed in. > It's the big focus-point selector ring found on the lens itself. I use that a lot, actually, but the exposure thing is too complicated to figure out, so I just let the index finger brain do the think'n. WayneS - slightly above average Canyon user -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 04:59:01 2009 Received: (qmail 2585 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 03:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 03:59:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D42430330 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC941D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BA61CD484 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:58:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A132C1CD482 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:58:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11967 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 03:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 03:58:46 -0000 Message-ID: <49642875.5060505@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:58:45 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <4963AF87.7070508@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061213w2e07342ub524bdaee1c00f8c@mail.gmail.com> <4963CF94.9050300@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061724ud65f5abx5dd84948e728eaa9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901061724ud65f5abx5dd84948e728eaa9@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-1, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 04:59:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964288562931023412894 I find the first one hard on the eyes and the second just lovely. Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > I had similar thoughts, but I think I might desaturate the orange a > bit and call it good. Too little time for more promising images to > spend a lot of time PS-ing this one. > > Bokeh wasn't too ugly on this one: > > http://myweb.uiowa.edu/jfwilcox/IRNP/Tobin%20Harbor/slides/ir40.html > > I used fairly small stops because I carried a tripod and many subjects > were in the MR of 1:10 or smaller. It's more important to me to get > the right stuff in focus than achieve inspiring bokeh, though it's > nice to get both. It reminds me that I need to bracket more for focus > and DOF than I do. > > Other examples show the capabilities of the lens to good enough effect: > > http://myweb.uiowa.edu/jfwilcox/IRNP/Tobin%20Harbor/slides/ir18.html > > but not everyone will enjoy background like that. > > Joel W. > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: >> It appears the bokeh champ didn't do so well on that one. But I don't >> think it's anything you did. The center white spots appear to be >> composed of a sharper central ring and fuzzy outer ring. That part of >> the image looks busy and jittery. If it were mine I'd first turn the >> saturation of the orange areas way down and then apply some gaussian >> blur to the background to get rid of those busy concentric rings. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >>> Here is a photo made with the bokeh champ, Zuiko 90/2 on E-1: >>> >>> http://myweb.uiowa.edu/jfwilcox/IRNP/Scoville%20Point%20Trail/slides/ir11.html >>> >>> I don't like some of the halo-ing in this photo either, but I would >>> attribute it to my poor craftsmanship rather than to the lens. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 05:05:05 2009 Received: (qmail 14050 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 04:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 04:05:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417DF4302F1 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:05:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3744DD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCA234AC00C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:05:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D3D34AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:04:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:04:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14922 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 04:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090106-1, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 05:05:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496429f1170505368819438 A drowning victim on the beach, eh? Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > At 09:58 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote: >>> Another one, and this is a really really bad shot, but the bark creates >>> funky out-of-focus texture. (Can*n 24-105/4 lens) 1.2m image: >>> http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/ugly_MG_1410.jpg >>> >>> >> That's some "crotch shot" you got there! > > 24-105 @ 105 F8 > http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_8916.jpg > > WayneS > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 05:06:00 2009 Received: (qmail 21944 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 04:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 04:05:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EB243032E for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CECD0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D933D34AC00C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:05:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B4934AC009 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:05:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so9108971wfd.26 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.217.17 with SMTP id p17mr9480212wfg.23.1231301153515; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-143-249.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.143.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm49306237wfc.19.2009.01.06.20.05.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:05:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49642A1E.7050704@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:05:50 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> <4C157283-C8AB-4530-A3A1-6BEABC02CA08@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901051023y2587f08cya0d6d6bb09b40f9b@mail.gmail.com> <496256CD.5000808@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061032n4e5b395bh680bae47726bf8e1@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106204606.011a0cf8@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106223410.01161570@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106223410.01161570@zuik.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 05:06:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49642a28246841499373980 WayneS wrote: > ... > 24-105 @ 105 F8 > http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_8916.jpg Hedwig and the Angry Inch? Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 05:11:12 2009 Received: (qmail 13312 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 04:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 04:11:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A906430331 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23CAD0404B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDCB1CD482 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:11:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBEE1CD484 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:11:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 22 days 21:10:41 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:11:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B13A28887EC for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:11:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8HzZfMrnQkEu for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662D528887DA for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:10:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <11102B1E-663F-415F-A2F3-EC8B3D86B75A@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:10:56 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Equipment cleanup X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 05:11:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49642b60152241744846740 > From: Chuck Norcutt > > ... pure methanol or close to it. But the stuff is > ridiculously expensive. Send me a bottle. I've got about 500 litres of methanol in the barn. Seriously, if enough folk are close enough for a group purchase, go to your nearest speedway and beg some. It's commonly used in motor racing, because there is no smoke when it burns. I'll bet someone would let you fill a small bottle in exchange for some ethanol. :-) In 200 litre drums, methanol is under $3 a litre in Canada, and about half that in the US. :::: Beware the "dopeler effect:" if bad ideas come at you fast enough, they seem like better ideas. :::: :::: Jan Steinman, an (almost) fossil-fuel-free zone! http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 05:13:41 2009 Received: (qmail 3004 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 04:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 04:13:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDFF4302BE for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6FDD0404B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695A31CD482 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:13:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320731CD481 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:13:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26256 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 04:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 04:13:33 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106231125.011c1fc8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:13:32 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106215621.0112b460@zuik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 05:13:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49642bf543661702588592 Another one along the same lines. 180mm macro @ F8 http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_7711.jpg All the photos I posted were from prior years. This last year has been rather difficult and little down with photography, so 2009 I promised myself not to miss so much. WayneS At 10:40 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote: >> >> Canyon 100/2.8 macro wide open: >> http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_9902.jpg F2.8 >> > >Oh WOW! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 05:22:26 2009 Received: (qmail 5154 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 04:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 04:22:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6054302D4 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01610D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD431CD485 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:22:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F63F1CD484 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:22:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32040 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 04:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 04:22:17 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106231701.011d77a8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:22:16 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <49642875.5060505@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <4963AF87.7070508@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061213w2e07342ub524bdaee1c00f8c@mail.gmail.com> <4963CF94.9050300@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061724ud65f5abx5dd84948e728eaa9@mail.gmail.com> <49642875.5060505@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 05:22:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49642e02289161585427447 The direction of the light definitely makes the second image. and the background is very complementary color, which further provides nice separation. So I would say the background is very good. I think too many photos are over-simplified. The second shot, with that background, has a bit more visual meat to chew on. WayneS At 10:58 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote: >I find the first one hard on the eyes and the second just lovely. > >Chuck Norcutt > >Joel Wilcox wrote: >> I had similar thoughts, but I think I might desaturate the orange a >> bit and call it good. Too little time for more promising images to >> spend a lot of time PS-ing this one. >> >> Bokeh wasn't too ugly on this one: >> >> http://myweb.uiowa.edu/jfwilcox/IRNP/Tobin%20Harbor/slides/ir40.html >> >> I used fairly small stops because I carried a tripod and many subjects >> were in the MR of 1:10 or smaller. It's more important to me to get >> the right stuff in focus than achieve inspiring bokeh, though it's >> nice to get both. It reminds me that I need to bracket more for focus >> and DOF than I do. >> >> Other examples show the capabilities of the lens to good enough effect: >> >> http://myweb.uiowa.edu/jfwilcox/IRNP/Tobin%20Harbor/slides/ir18.html >> >> but not everyone will enjoy background like that. >> >> Joel W. >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 05:45:24 2009 Received: (qmail 23264 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 04:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 04:45:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEED430359 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:45:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BE4D0404A for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:45:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5F534AC013 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:45:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050AC34AC00F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:45:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11983 invoked by uid 502); 7 Jan 2009 04:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.141.2.242) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 04:45:16 -0000 Message-ID: <49643358.6010404@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:45:12 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] BFTP [was Frosty Photos] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 05:45:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49643364323031257536491 Ian Nichols wrote: > We don't see -25 deg.C very often in the UK, and never here in the South West; best we can usually manage is about -5 and, once or twice per Winter, a light covering of snow. We did have a cold spell a couple of weeks ago, so I took the E-3 and 50/2 macro out into the grounds early (for me - anything less than an hour after sunrise just > isn't photogenic) on a Sunday morning to take some shots. > > www.ian955.fotopic.net > I really enjoyed these. As a matter of choice, I am almost never at any place/time where I could see such things for myself. I liked the subjects and compositions of them all, but 700 stood out to me for the different perspective. On technical issues as they affect me, F4 just didn't give enough DOF to fully satisfy my taste in 696, 704-707, 714 & 717. The DOF advantage of the smaller sensor wasn't enough to offset the DOF effects of close focus, or something like that. To me, 707 cries out to be cropped to a horizontal the full width of the image, losing most of the top and enough of the bottom to give a 4:3 proportion. That would not only cut off the in-your-face OOF, but focus on the more interesting, to me, part. The OOF rear part of 714 works for me, but I'd prefer the front wing to be in focus. I may well like OOF parts of the primary subject in this kind of subject less than others do. Thanks, Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 12:44:07 2009 Received: (qmail 24730 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 11:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 11:44:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBF74301C3 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10B0440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:43:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB5419E13F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:43:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDB919E11A for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:43:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3120 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 11:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 11:43:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4964956A.5010608@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:43:38 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106215621.0112b460@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106231125.011c1fc8@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106231125.011c1fc8@zuik.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-1, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 12:44:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964958774511073733319 That's a wow too! It make me wonder what it would look like with image stacking software to radically increase the DOF. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > Another one along the same lines. > 180mm macro @ F8 > http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_7711.jpg > > All the photos I posted were from prior years. This last year has > been rather difficult and little down with photography, so 2009 > I promised myself not to miss so much. > > WayneS > > At 10:40 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote: >>> Canyon 100/2.8 macro wide open: >>> http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_9902.jpg F2.8 >>> >> Oh WOW! > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 12:47:29 2009 Received: (qmail 5241 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 11:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 11:47:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472A743033B for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964BB440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:47:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7110F19E137 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:47:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A2B19E11A for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:47:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:47:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n07Bl4rH029667 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:47:14 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:47:02 +1100 Message-ID: <32E0EDC580DB4170865DD8AE75EED38E@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AclwgsFtKXcWfoKwQ3G+zz+dWri5EwAOeKog In-Reply-To: <49643358.6010404@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 12:47:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49649651109261702588592 At each end of the rail of the OM bellows there is thumb screw which stops the bellows standards falling off the end of the rail. Were there any accessories that also screwed into these holes in the end of the rail ? The threaded holes appear to be about 1/4" diameter but finer than 20tpi so a standard tripod screw cannot be screwed in. What is the thread size for these holes ? Is it possible to join 2 sets of bellows together for extra extension ? ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 12:55:22 2009 Received: (qmail 8318 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 11:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 11:55:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CC11C40F42 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:55:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08799440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC9534AC00D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:55:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9101534AC013 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:55:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4298 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 11:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 11:55:13 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090107065201.0110aeb0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:52:41 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: <9e908c1f0901041518k17d91a7ds7090dd7d9582014e@mail.gmail.com> <4C157283-C8AB-4530-A3A1-6BEABC02CA08@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901051023y2587f08cya0d6d6bb09b40f9b@mail.gmail.com> <496256CD.5000808@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901061032n4e5b395bh680bae47726bf8e1@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106204606.011a0cf8@zuik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Birds, Bokeh, and DZes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 12:55:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964982a175471823421471 At 09:58 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote: >> >> Another one, and this is a really really bad shot, but the bark creates >> funky out-of-focus texture. (Can*n 24-105/4 lens) 1.2m image: >> http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/ugly_MG_1410.jpg >> >> >That's some "crotch shot" you got there! Image cropped and reduced in size. I couldn't stand looking at the whole thing. This one also reduced size of original: http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/beast_MG_9170.jpg WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 13:36:37 2009 Received: (qmail 24519 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 12:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 12:36:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7AC43029C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:36:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AC4440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB02919E277 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:36:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1785F19E29D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:36:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0c2s1b00716AWCUA8ccWFf; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:36:30 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0ccV1b00B3cAhRk8SccW8t; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:36:30 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <32E0EDC580DB4170865DD8AE75EED38E@meo.dec.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:36:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 13:36:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964a1d5180745368819438 Wayne, I'm by no means an expert on OM gear, but I know of no accessories that screw into the ends of the focusing rail. Their only purpose to my knowledge is, as you said, to prevent the standards from falling off the ends. If in fact the threads are an american standard thread, which I highly doubt since they were made in Japan, and are not 1/4-20, the finer 1/4 inch thread is 1/4-28. My guess, just from glancing at them, is that they're either 5mm or 6mm. Unless someone else happens to know off-hand, I work at a machine shop and can take mine to work this evening and check to find out for sure. As to mating two rails together, physically it could be done with a simple stud of the proper size. However, unless I misunderstand your question, this wouldn't be very practical since the rack gears don't extend fully to the ends of the rail. Therefore you'd end up with about a 1" gap between gears, resulting in the standards sliding freely along the rail. Hope that helps, Darin Wayne Harridge wrote: > > At each end of the rail of the OM bellows there is thumb screw which stops > the bellows standards falling off the end of the rail. > > Were there any accessories that also screwed into these holes in the end > of > the rail ? > > The threaded holes appear to be about 1/4" diameter but finer than 20tpi > so > a standard tripod screw cannot be screwed in. What is the thread size for > these holes ? > > Is it possible to join 2 sets of bellows together for extra extension ? > > ...Wayne > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1879 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 5:16 PM -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 13:49:31 2009 Received: (qmail 386 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 12:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 12:49:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A97C4302D9 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE15440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:49:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197AA34AC018 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:49:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A2A34AC013 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:49:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.149]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so19115034qwj.26 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.113.14 with SMTP id l14mr19523663qac.182.1231332561973; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.10.11 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:49:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:49:21 -0500 From: "Rick Beckrich" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9667A9CF459844178437B5F12DD17AFC@jimnichols> <4963D805.6000606@chucknorcutt.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 13:49:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964a4da327469117217770 + OT - But it's nice to know there is someone older than I on the list! Rick (at a mere 77) On 1/6/09, Jim Nichols wrote: > > Like I said, Chuck, I decided that bald heads don't add to a photo. Thanks > for looking. When you are 78 and counting, every day is a good day. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:15 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout > > > > Hey, you're a handsome guy. Well done. My first thought was older guy > > with newer camera, newer camera with older lens. > > > > Older guy, > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > > > Jim Nichols wrote: > >> I finally decided to check out the Super-Multicoated-Takumar 50/1.4 on > my > >> Oly E-510. With no one else to use for an image, I decided to do > another > >> self-portrait, though holding the camera below my face and guessing at > >> the field in view. After several images were checked, I concluded that > >> bald heads don't add to images anyway, hence did a close crop. > >> > >> All told, the lens is a pleasure to use, and the results, > notwithstanding > >> the model, were not too bad. > >> > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Self-Portrait.jpg.html > >> > >> Comments and critiques welcomed. > >> > >> Jim Nichols > >> Tullahoma, TN USA > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 14:00:27 2009 Received: (qmail 4847 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 13:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 13:00:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7388B1C403AD for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:00:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BB8440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE50734AC025 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:00:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F97734AC018 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:00:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9181 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 13:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 13:00:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4964A75F.4010608@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:00:15 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <32E0EDC580DB4170865DD8AE75EED38E@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <32E0EDC580DB4170865DD8AE75EED38E@meo.dec.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-1, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 14:00:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964a76b89777350615338 I think the easiest way to gain extra extension would be to modify a slide copier attachment for the bellows. It already has provision for attaching to and sliding along the rail and provides its own bellows for the required extension. After slipping the slide holder off and unscrewing its two guideways you're left with a flat surface with a rectangular hole. I should think you could screw a lens mount from an old body onto that surface. I'm not sure whether the 35mm frame size hole would need to be opened up or not. The slide copier bellows wants to attach to a 49mm filter size lens tube. A junker lens mount and barrel could provide the requisite parts. I think it's doable with careful hand work (no machine shop required although that might help). With care in the modification the normal function of the slide copier should be restorable by unscrewing he lens mount and reattaching the two guideways with their screws. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > At each end of the rail of the OM bellows there is thumb screw which stops > the bellows standards falling off the end of the rail. > > Were there any accessories that also screwed into these holes in the end of > the rail ? > > The threaded holes appear to be about 1/4" diameter but finer than 20tpi so > a standard tripod screw cannot be screwed in. What is the thread size for > these holes ? > > Is it possible to join 2 sets of bellows together for extra extension ? > > ...Wayne > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 14:01:12 2009 Received: (qmail 28227 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 13:01:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 13:01:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1536E1C40515 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD13440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:01:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D292C34AC016 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:01:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.819 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.819 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.819, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D02A34AC013 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:01:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:01:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c88.3f133314 (39954) for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:00:55 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:00:55 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 14:01:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964a7989157927319144 In a message dated 1/7/2009 5:47:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au writes: Were there any accessories that also screwed into these holes in the end of the rail ? If one takes the bellows off and replaces it with the stage, the rail becomes a focusing rail. Don't know if there is any other way to use it. The little knobs, if lost, are like many other OM parts, difficult to find. Bill Barber **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. 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John Hudson -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 14:09:32 2009 Received: (qmail 15078 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 13:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 13:09:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A6243024C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECE8440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A457519E3A8 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:09:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E9A19E3A7 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:09:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13742 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 13:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 13:09:24 -0000 Message-ID: <4964A983.3090603@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:09:23 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <32E0EDC580DB4170865DD8AE75EED38E@meo.dec.com> <4964A75F.4010608@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4964A75F.4010608@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-1, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 14:09:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964a98c204441234514069 It just occurred to me that a junker 50/1.8 with all its guts removed might serve for the junker lens mount and barrel mentioned below with no work required other than removing everything inside. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I think the easiest way to gain extra extension would be to modify a > slide copier attachment for the bellows. It already has provision for > attaching to and sliding along the rail and provides its own bellows for > the required extension. > > After slipping the slide holder off and unscrewing its two guideways > you're left with a flat surface with a rectangular hole. I should think > you could screw a lens mount from an old body onto that surface. I'm > not sure whether the 35mm frame size hole would need to be opened up or > not. The slide copier bellows wants to attach to a 49mm filter size > lens tube. A junker lens mount and barrel could provide the requisite > parts. I think it's doable with careful hand work (no machine shop > required although that might help). With care in the modification the > normal function of the slide copier should be restorable by unscrewing > he lens mount and reattaching the two guideways with their screws. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Wayne Harridge wrote: >> At each end of the rail of the OM bellows there is thumb screw which stops >> the bellows standards falling off the end of the rail. >> >> Were there any accessories that also screwed into these holes in the end of >> the rail ? >> >> The threaded holes appear to be about 1/4" diameter but finer than 20tpi so >> a standard tripod screw cannot be screwed in. What is the thread size for >> these holes ? >> >> Is it possible to join 2 sets of bellows together for extra extension ? >> >> ...Wayne >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 14:38:29 2009 Received: (qmail 24546 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 13:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 13:38:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CE743033C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB51440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4EF19E452 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.496 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.496 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE88919E43C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 00:56:55 ago / 202.37.101.23 is listed in psbl.surriel.com) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.snap.net.nz (vasilli.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.16]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF573DAECC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:41:20 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:41:20 +1300 From: To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Message-ID: <81f9029680640de1d291435b0bf410a7@snap.net.nz> X-Sender: bj@caverock.net.nz X-Username: bj@caverock.net.nz Received: from 210-54-198-31.dialup.xtra.co.nz [210.54.198.31] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:41:20 +1300 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1-rc2 Subject: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 14:38:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964b05559683675314703 Hi all, One shot to illustrate why I like this commbination. Apologies if you have seen it before. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=266641&l=9b097&id=1027725807 Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 14:53:17 2009 Received: (qmail 28798 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 13:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 13:53:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272DC430341 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE93B44000F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5A134AC016 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:53:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E150C34AC005 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:53:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5036 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 13:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 13:53:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4964B3C3.8010609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:53:07 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <81f9029680640de1d291435b0bf410a7@snap.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <81f9029680640de1d291435b0bf410a7@snap.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-1, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 14:53:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964b3cd277229117217770 Yes, I've seen it before but it still looks as pretty as ever. Do you know what aperture was used? Chuck Norcutt bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > Hi all, > > One shot to illustrate why I like this commbination. Apologies if you have > seen it before. > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=266641&l=9b097&id=1027725807 > > Brian Swale > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 15:35:43 2009 Received: (qmail 25600 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 14:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 14:35:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E40430366 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFB3440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D32A19E693 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:35:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DAA19E689 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:35:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:35:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2547431and.35 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.126.15 with SMTP id y15mr12447646anc.123.1231338937848; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:35:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:35:37 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4964956A.5010608@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106215621.0112b460@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106231125.011c1fc8@zuik.net> <4964956A.5010608@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4ccd36d849f9f2c5 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 15:35:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964bdbf138201234514069 > > That's a wow too! It make me wonder what it would look like with image > stacking software to radically increase the DOF. > Boring -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 16:05:47 2009 Received: (qmail 16921 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 15:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 15:05:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3097430353 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9685440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D17134AC005 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:05:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1361534AC00C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:05:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 08 Jan 2009 02:05:33 +1100 Message-ID: <100-bcc46449-25233.003@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "OM List" Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:05:32 +1100 (EDT) Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.02 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.02.00.1170) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 16:05:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964c4cb292871993019900 Hi All, It never ceases to amaze me that every so called pro photographer I've seen in nightclubs points their flash on thier digital camera straight up...... With a black ceiling...... And black walls..... After they take a photo, they look at the little display on their canons and nikons with this look of puzzlement on their faces...... And everytime I casually mention that maybe they should get a bracket and mount the flash off camera, and have it angled a bit more to the subject :-) And I'll be amazed if there are no grammar or spelling mistakes caz I had to leave the car behind and catch a cab home with my wife :o) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site.com/ Reality is for people who can't handle Star Trek... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 16:10:49 2009 Received: (qmail 6138 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 15:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 15:10:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C030443034D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:10:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3EE440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895E934AC018 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:10:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D4734AC005 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:10:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.64]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:10:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 35421 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2009 15:10:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1H7XHgEVM1mLXhVCSO4GoUCIMaQoB4Ap2BWl02dRradA9xn1APOlMrUx.byZW0zuQemk_JzQDgVr6wtiu4duXiqOIWgXPKmXxuK_rSfeZsGbqPAN5x_tUKLMLC1qyKnhJfWDTH54r1L1ng32Lidy_G_36Xfm7PFsG46AClLTYhzLR3pG0hT1C7gOSTRctzZB4cwaZTjMZiFBTQTD1n4mqtgmy3F0k5e6y5DmVZ9227BBuWpsNuq81FECTKs- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:10:42 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:10:42 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <100-bcc46449-25233.003@comkal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 16:10:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964c5f929941470116606 Nightclub photography is an interesting market. Plenty of websites popping up marketing nightclubs and bars - selling photos to patrons is a natural add-on. Here is one of the better nightclub photographers: http://www.danielsdiaz.com/ --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Ian Manners wrote: > From: Ian Manners > Subject: [OM] Nightclub photography > To: "OM List" > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:05 AM > Hi All, > > It never ceases to amaze me that every so called pro > photographer I've seen in nightclubs points their flash > on thier digital camera straight up...... > > With a black ceiling...... > And black walls..... > > After they take a photo, they look at the little display > on their canons and nikons with this look of puzzlement > on their faces...... > > And everytime I casually mention that maybe they should > get a bracket and mount the flash off camera, and have it > angled a bit more to the subject :-) > > And I'll be amazed if there are no grammar or spelling > mistakes caz I had to leave the car behind and catch a > cab home with my wife :o) > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.os2site.com/ > > Reality is for people who can't handle Star Trek... > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 16:13:30 2009 Received: (qmail 1238 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 15:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 15:13:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9C7430338 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:13:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DEB440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:13:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C5A19E7BE for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:13:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2F319E7AF for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:13:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2883182ywa.80 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:13:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.217.14 with SMTP id p14mr35178ybg.46.1231341196724; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:13:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.14.6 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:13:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:13:16 +0000 From: "Ian Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <49643358.6010404@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <49643358.6010404@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] BFTP [was Frosty Photos] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 16:13:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964c69a80941234514069 2009/1/7 Moose : >> www.ian955.fotopic.net >> > > I really enjoyed these. As a matter of choice, I am almost never at any > place/time where I could see such things for myself. > > I liked the subjects and compositions of them all, but 700 stood out to > me for the different perspective. I'm glad everyone seemed to like that one - I got cold knees & belly lying down to get that. > On technical issues as they affect me, F4 just didn't give enough DOF to > fully satisfy my taste in 696, 704-707, 714 & 717. The DOF advantage of > the smaller sensor wasn't enough to offset the DOF effects of close > focus, or something like that. TBH, I agree. I would have liked to stop down a bit more, but didn't want to boost the ISO above 400 or risk camera shake (even with stabilisation on, there would have been some). I was also unwilling at this point to run back inside and up the stairs to get a tripod, which I would have used if I'd thought of it first. It was early on a Sunday morning and I just wanted to get out there and capture some shots before it warmed up and melted. > > To me, 707 cries out to be cropped to a horizontal the full width of the > image, losing most of the top and enough of the bottom to give a 4:3 > proportion. That would not only cut off the in-your-face OOF, but focus > on the more interesting, to me, part. > > The OOF rear part of 714 works for me, but I'd prefer the front wing to > be in focus. I may well like OOF parts of the primary subject in this > kind of subject less than others do. > > Thanks, > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 16:17:01 2009 Received: (qmail 26751 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 15:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 15:17:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1534302D9 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:17:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466D9440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3884334AC002 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:16:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A70E34AC016 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:16:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2554341and.35 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.69.6 with SMTP id w6mr12489710ank.140.1231341414917; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:16:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:16:54 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <100-bcc46449-25233.003@comkal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <100-bcc46449-25233.003@comkal.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4fcd98102fa89830 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 16:17:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964c76d57309347015869 > > It never ceases to amaze me that every so called pro > photographer I've seen in nightclubs points their flash > on thier digital camera straight up...... > It's not much of a problem if there is a diffuser of some form on the flash, like the Omnibounce. But I have seen imbeciles do this OUTDOORS under an open sky with nothing on the flash!!!! I'll refrain from mentioning the typical brand of camera used. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 16:33:33 2009 Received: (qmail 10810 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 15:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 15:33:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF44430359 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DEF440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189D134AC016 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:33:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C4E34AC005 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:33:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LKaPL-0004CU-22 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:33:23 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LKaPK-0003SJ-Jw for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:33:22 +0000 Message-ID: <4964CB50.2090405@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:33:36 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 16:33:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964cb4d314711257536491 AS wrote: > Nightclub photography is an interesting market. Plenty of websites popping up marketing nightclubs and bars - selling photos to patrons is a natural add-on. Here is one of the better nightclub photographers: > > http://www.danielsdiaz.com/ > Yes, a culture I've never been able to understand, nor the fact that a cigarette can still be construed as a 'sexy' prop... Some nice legs, though. D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 16:34:28 2009 Received: (qmail 10186 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 15:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 15:34:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F024F4302F3 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69353440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4542534AC005 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:34:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6688E34AC013 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:34:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1672 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 15:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 15:34:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4964CB7A.6050305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:34:18 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-1, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 16:34:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964cb84121591234514069 Nothing but a direct, on-camera flash with lots of ugly shadows. Dr. Flash AS wrote: > Nightclub photography is an interesting market. Plenty of websites > popping up marketing nightclubs and bars - selling photos to patrons > is a natural add-on. Here is one of the better nightclub > photographers: > > http://www.danielsdiaz.com/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 17:31:12 2009 Received: (qmail 9078 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 16:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 16:31:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F39430359 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE90F44000F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3B834AC025 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:31:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D4B34AC00C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:31:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50454 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LKbJ4-0003RM-Eu for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:30:58 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:30:56 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Nightclub photography Thread-Index: Aclw5VCrj2Up8tzYEd2utgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4964CB7A.6050305@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 17:31:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964d8d0197111234514069 For some hilarious nightclub photos check out: http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com The guy published a book too and a couple of the "douchebags" sued him for libel...LOL -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/7/09 10:34 AM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > Nothing but a direct, on-camera flash with lots of ugly shadows. > > Dr. Flash > > > AS wrote: >> Nightclub photography is an interesting market. Plenty of websites >> popping up marketing nightclubs and bars - selling photos to patrons >> is a natural add-on. Here is one of the better nightclub >> photographers: >> >> http://www.danielsdiaz.com/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 17:45:18 2009 Received: (qmail 391 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 16:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 16:45:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4E343035B for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008AE440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27A619ECE0 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:45:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0ADA19ECCF for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:45:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:45:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28049 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 16:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 16:45:05 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090107075806.0113cc30@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:36:45 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <4964956A.5010608@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106215621.0112b460@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106231125.011c1fc8@zuik.net> <4964956A.5010608@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 17:45:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964dc1e246109347015869 I thought about that, but motion would be a problem with multiple photos. This flower is on a long stem and it would take a very still day to make that work. I have four shots at different focus points but I run out of Ram when I try to blend them. Wayne At 06:43 AM 1/7/2009, you wrote: >That's a wow too! It make me wonder what it would look like with image >stacking software to radically increase the DOF. > >Chuck Norcutt > >WayneS wrote: >> Another one along the same lines. >> 180mm macro @ F8 >> http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_7711.jpg -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 18:17:48 2009 Received: (qmail 11959 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 17:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 17:17:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A5E43035B for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B0D440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:17:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4D119EE81 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:17:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894A119EE7A for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:17:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:17:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8590 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 17:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 17:17:38 -0000 Message-ID: <4964E3B1.7050504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:17:37 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0901061043m2d63f90ah5c0b08976375bd52@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106215621.0112b460@zuik.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106231125.011c1fc8@zuik.net> <4964956A.5010608@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107075806.0113cc30@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090107075806.0113cc30@zuik.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090106-1, 01/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 18:17:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964e3bc39001234514069 I tried to defeat the wind problem this past spring by cutting a small branch from a crabapple tree in full bloom. I was sadly disappointed when I got all through to discover that many leaves and petals were already wilting throughout the shoot. Things just didn't line up very well. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > I thought about that, but motion would be a problem with multiple > photos. This flower is on a long stem and it would take a very still > day to make that work. I have four shots at different focus points > but I run out of Ram when I try to blend them. > > Wayne > > At 06:43 AM 1/7/2009, you wrote: >> That's a wow too! It make me wonder what it would look like with image >> stacking software to radically increase the DOF. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> WayneS wrote: >>> Another one along the same lines. >>> 180mm macro @ F8 >>> http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_7711.jpg > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 18:24:24 2009 Received: (qmail 23194 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 17:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 17:24:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D41443035F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F08440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4564319EE60 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:24:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3762D19EEB4 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:24:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19571 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 17:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 17:24:06 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090107122305.0113b968@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:24:05 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <100-bcc46449-25233.003@comkal.net> <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 18:24:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964e5487431993019900 At 10:10 AM 1/7/2009, you wrote: >.... Here is one of the better nightclub photographers: >http://www.danielsdiaz.com/ He has that plastic look down real good. WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 18:43:56 2009 Received: (qmail 5739 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 17:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 17:43:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B103143036D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C671B440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:43:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A590419EFD0 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:43:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2632A19EFCF for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:43:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0crP1b0060x6nqcA2hjq3D; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:43:50 +0000 Received: from smailcenter46.comcast.net ([204.127.205.146]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0hjp1b00D3A2WJs8Yhjpek; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:43:49 +0000 Received: from [71.224.233.82] by smailcenter46.comcast.net; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:43:47 +0000 From: donholbrook@comcast.net (Don Holbrook) To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:43:47 +0000 Message-Id: <010720091743.15503.4964E9D30006411300003C8F22007347480501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZG9uaG9sYnJvb2tAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution for '09 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 18:43:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964e9dc134414673671140 In constant use are the 38 & 90 macros, 2n,4t, &330. Walk-around is a Series 1 28-105. Everything has been used at least once. The problem with too many interests is distributing time. Your original post made me realize I needed to devote more to the "queens". I do tend to buy for the "love of the system" at times, but I've felt that way since '72. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ken Norton" > I have a theory that you should never own more camera gear than you can > carry at one time. > > To the point about the 2009 resolutions, I would encourage everybody to > shoot at least one photo with every single piece of equipment you have. One > shot per lens, per camera, per whatever accessory. After all, when you > bought the items, you had dreams about what shots you planned on getting > with them. For many of us, those "dream shots" have yet to be fulfilled. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 19:25:09 2009 Received: (qmail 15205 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 18:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 18:25:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5508430390 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF13440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:25:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4262B34AC002 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:25:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DD034AC00C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:25:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2596615and.35 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.144.11 with SMTP id r11mr12716427and.56.1231352700571; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:25:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:25:00 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090106225204.011d4b08@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <010620092241.17652.4963DE160004A3CD000044F422007347480501019D0D04010802010B@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090106225204.011d4b08@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6427564e27e5cb42 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution for '09 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 19:25:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964f385211721585427447 > > Ok Captain Ag. Mission received and programmed. But can I leave out > all the 50mm and just pick one? > I was going to say that you could pick just one, but upon further thought, I veto that idea. 1. Each lens, no matter how "identical" it is to the next one is still unique and might have a characteristic or flaw which can be exploited. 2. Just how many 50/1.8 lenses do you need? 3. Take one of the bastard-child 50/1.8 and doctor it up. Rip it apart and remove/reverse a lens element, maybe perferate the diaphram, take sand paper to an inner element, etc. Do SOMETHING with them. Take clear nail polish and paint dots on an inner element as another example. AG (trying to figure out what to do with my stash of broken parts) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 19:36:34 2009 Received: (qmail 4105 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 18:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 18:36:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39E3430379 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBB4440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:36:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1268D34AC00D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:36:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB93134AC005 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:36:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:36:26 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n07IaJtj014064; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:36:21 GMT Message-ID: <5FC3FB03C2D5442AA17AA98718A20591@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:36:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Shadows X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 19:36:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4964f632128962336821329 Continuing to evaluate the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 on the Oly E-510, I found these shadows on cabinet work to present a pleasing subject, while avoiding the cold wind outside. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 21:05:12 2009 Received: (qmail 10405 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 20:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 20:05:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19DB4303A3 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79345440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:05:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3551A34AC009 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:05:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0725F34AC00F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:05:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25968 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 20:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 20:04:56 -0000 Message-ID: <49650AE8.6080009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:04:56 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5FC3FB03C2D5442AA17AA98718A20591@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <5FC3FB03C2D5442AA17AA98718A20591@jimnichols> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 21:05:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49650af8148051023412894 Nice, Jim. It reminded me right away of this one But there's no sun around here today to cast shadows. Rain is falling on last night's frozen rain. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Continuing to evaluate the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 on the Oly E-510, I found these shadows on cabinet work to present a pleasing subject, while avoiding the cold wind outside. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 22:08:37 2009 Received: (qmail 23861 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 21:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 21:08:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0411C40F41 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CD8440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DAE19F812 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:08:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CA519F7CA for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:08:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:08:19 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n07L8FLk011446 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:08:17 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5FC3FB03C2D5442AA17AA98718A20591@jimnichols> <49650AE8.6080009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:08:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 22:08:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496519d5295054673671140 Thanks, Chuck. After several days of rain, over 3" in January, we have one day of sunshine. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows > Nice, Jim. It reminded me right away of this one > > But there's no sun around here today to cast shadows. Rain is falling > on last night's frozen rain. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Continuing to evaluate the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 on the Oly >> E-510, I found these shadows on cabinet work to present a pleasing >> subject, while avoiding the cold wind outside. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 22:15:19 2009 Received: (qmail 32217 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 21:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 21:15:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3EF430346 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:15:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D17440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551E319F858 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:15:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C4C19F857 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:15:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n07LF8Dm004101 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:15:09 +1100 Message-Id: <200901072115.n07LF8Dm004101@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:15:08 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:15:08 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 22:15:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49651b67199321234514069 > Darin wrote: > > Wayne, I'm by no means an expert on OM gear, but I know of no > accessories > that screw into the ends of the focusing rail. Their only purpose to my > knowledge is, as you said, to prevent the standards from falling off the > > ends. > Thanks Darin, I checked the ESIF and couldn't see anything there that screwed into these threaded holes. > > If in fact the threads are an american standard thread, which I highly > doubt > since they were made in Japan, and are not 1/4-20, the finer 1/4 inch > thread > is 1/4-28. My guess, just from glancing at them, is that they're either > 5mm > or 6mm. Unless someone else happens to know off-hand, I work at a > machine > shop and can take mine to work this evening and check to find out for > sure. > Yes, I suspect they are metric. > > As to mating two rails together, physically it could be done with a > simple > stud of the proper size. However, unless I misunderstand your question, > this > wouldn't be very practical since the rack gears don't extend fully to > the > ends of the rail. Therefore you'd end up with about a 1" gap between > gears, > resulting in the standards sliding freely along the rail. > I guess the section without the rack wouldn't matter too much, you'd just need to avoid moving the standards over that section. I suspect that it would be a weak point and something might break if both sections of rail weren't adequately supported. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 22:22:16 2009 Received: (qmail 16110 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 21:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 21:22:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9626E1C403AD for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:22:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DC7440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:22:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE2B3610001 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:22:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3081534AC009 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:22:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n07LM7Zq018815 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:22:08 +1100 Message-Id: <200901072122.n07LM7Zq018815@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:22:07 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:22:07 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 22:22:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49651d0817521744846740 Thanks Chuck, that sounds like a good workable way to do it. I don't actually need to join 2 bellows together, just seem to remember seeing a photo somewhere where this had been done. ...Wayne > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > I think the easiest way to gain extra extension would be to modify a > slide copier attachment for the bellows. It already has provision for > attaching to and sliding along the rail and provides its own bellows for > > the required extension. > > After slipping the slide holder off and unscrewing its two guideways > you're left with a flat surface with a rectangular hole. I should think > > you could screw a lens mount from an old body onto that surface. I'm > not sure whether the 35mm frame size hole would need to be opened up or > not. The slide copier bellows wants to attach to a 49mm filter size > lens tube. A junker lens mount and barrel could provide the requisite > parts. I think it's doable with careful hand work (no machine shop > required although that might help). With care in the modification the > normal function of the slide copier should be restorable by unscrewing > he lens mount and reattaching the two guideways with their screws. > > Chuck Norcutt > Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 22:29:01 2009 Received: (qmail 4595 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 21:29:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 21:29:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDC943035F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB25440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:28:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37E319F9E9 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:28:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C43619F958 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:28:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.193]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:28:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n07LSruL020552 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:28:53 +1100 Message-Id: <200901072128.n07LSruL020552@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:28:53 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:28:53 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 22:29:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49651e9d123401585427447 Thanks Bill, I noticed that last night as I was playing with these bits ! The useful thing for me was that having it set up as a focussing rail you can attach the slide copier and with an OM 50/3.5 adapted to the E-510 (no bellows) I could get a slide copy of a full 35mm frame on 4/3 (approx 1:2). It makes for a solid compact unit. ...Wayne > NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/7/2009 5:47:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, > wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au writes: > > Were there any accessories that also screwed into these holes in the > end of > the rail ? > > > > > > If one takes the bellows off and replaces it with the stage, the rail > becomes a focusing rail. Don't know if there is any other way to use > it. The > little knobs, if lost, are like many other OM parts, difficult to find. > Bill > Barber > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 22:32:30 2009 Received: (qmail 19789 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 21:32:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 21:32:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858FD43035C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:32:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37778440006 for ; 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Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:32:19 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:32:19 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 22:32:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49651f6e307629117217770 Yes, that would work. ...Wayne > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > It just occurred to me that a junker 50/1.8 with all its guts removed > might serve for the junker lens mount and barrel mentioned below with no > > work required other than removing everything inside. > > Chuck Norcutt > Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 22:38:03 2009 Received: (qmail 32506 invoked by uid 0); 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n07Lbtpr026536 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:37:55 +1100 Message-Id: <200901072137.n07Lbtpr026536@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:37:55 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:37:55 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 22:38:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496520bb15582046811720 > Ken Norton wrote: > > But I have seen imbeciles do this OUTDOORS under an > open sky with nothing on the flash!!!! > Yeah, everyone knows you only do that when there is some cloud cover to bounce the flash off ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 22:43:52 2009 Received: (qmail 17990 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 21:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:43:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n07Lhc8M002775 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:43:38 +1100 Message-Id: <200901072143.n07Lhc8M002775@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:43:38 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:43:38 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 22:43:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49652218176002336821329 > Jim Nichols wrote: > > Continuing to evaluate the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 on the Oly > E-510, I found these shadows on cabinet work to present a pleasing > subject, while avoiding the cold wind outside. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > Nice work - it's all about the light. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 22:50:36 2009 Received: (qmail 10984 invoked by uid 0); 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:50:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n07LoP6E001776 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:50:25 +1100 Message-Id: <200901072150.n07LoP6E001776@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:50:25 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:50:25 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 22:50:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496523ac97101702588592 > Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > Ken Norton wrote: > > > > But I have seen imbeciles do this OUTDOORS under an > > open sky with nothing on the flash!!!! > > > > Yeah, everyone knows you only do that when there is some cloud cover to > bounce the flash off ! > What was that inverse square law thingy again ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 22:52:58 2009 Received: (qmail 21247 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 21:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows > > > > >> Jim Nichols wrote: >> >> Continuing to evaluate the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 on the Oly >> E-510, I found these shadows on cabinet work to present a pleasing >> subject, while avoiding the cold wind outside. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> > > Nice work - it's all about the light. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 23:09:10 2009 Received: (qmail 25861 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 22:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 22:09:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F312C4303BA for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399EB440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDB519FAD1 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:09:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF4519FAC9 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:09:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6734 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 22:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 22:08:57 -0000 Message-ID: <496527F9.7050500@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:08:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200901072150.n07LoP6E001776@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200901072150.n07LoP6E001776@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 23:09:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49652806199422070262475 It only works well with really low cloud cover. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >>> Ken Norton wrote: >>> >>> But I have seen imbeciles do this OUTDOORS under an >>> open sky with nothing on the flash!!!! >>> >> Yeah, everyone knows you only do that when there is some cloud cover to >> bounce the flash off ! >> > > What was that inverse square law thingy again ? > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 23:18:43 2009 Received: (qmail 14167 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 22:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 22:18:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0562430381 for ; 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Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:18:36 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LKgjO-0008Kh-T8 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:18:30 +0000 Message-ID: <49652A47.2010603@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:18:47 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200901072150.n07LoP6E001776@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> <496527F9.7050500@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <496527F9.7050500@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 23:18:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49652a43277469347015869 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It only works well with really low cloud cover. > > Chuck Norcutt > Now, in fog... ;-) D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 23:19:37 2009 Received: (qmail 20616 invoked by uid 0); 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Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:19:29 -0500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:19:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia Thread-index: AclxFgKBYr70kaMVRVmLNzpPz5ltUA== From: "Walters, Martin" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2009 22:19:29.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[0253DF00:01C97116] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 23:19:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49652a796917927319144 In November, I spent several days in Ulaanbaatar, capital of Mongolia. Early one very brisk morning, I took the OM around the main square. Some of the architecture clearly shows Soviet influence! Mongolians generally use Cyrillic script, but not Russian. Mongolian script is written vertically. Another day I visited a Canadian-operated gold mine a couple of hours out of town. Lots of interesting sights, but little opportunity to take photos. I know the list has little affection for Flickr.... Anyway, some photos at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14675507@N08/sets/72157612245771533/ All OM-2N, Portra 400 NC, Costco scans. Martin -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 23:28:51 2009 Received: (qmail 24099 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 22:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 22:28:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBBC430397 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD1C440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D280D34AC005 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8F734AC002 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2641519and.35 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.144.11 with SMTP id r11mr12841096and.56.1231367322819; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:28:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:28:42 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <200901072137.n07Lbtpr026536@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200901072137.n07Lbtpr026536@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: fb06071250d09908 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 23:28:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49652ca3112163675314703 > > Yeah, everyone knows you only do that when there is some cloud cover to > bounce the flash off ! > T45 Flash!!!! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 23:33:09 2009 Received: (qmail 10687 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 22:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 22:33:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30768430396 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04805440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B1F19FB16 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:33:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD42819FB19 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:33:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20261 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jan 2009 22:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jan 2009 22:33:01 -0000 Message-ID: <49652D9D.9050009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:33:01 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 23:33:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49652da5164241838542571 Very nice work and the scans look pretty good. Chuck Norcutt Walters, Martin wrote: > In November, I spent several days in Ulaanbaatar, capital of Mongolia. > Early one very brisk morning, I took the OM around the main square. > > Some of the architecture clearly shows Soviet influence! Mongolians > generally use Cyrillic script, but not Russian. Mongolian script is > written vertically. > > Another day I visited a Canadian-operated gold mine a couple of hours > out of town. Lots of interesting sights, but little opportunity to take > photos. > > I know the list has little affection for Flickr.... Anyway, some photos > at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14675507@N08/sets/72157612245771533/ > > All OM-2N, Portra 400 NC, Costco scans. > > Martin > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 23:39:29 2009 Received: (qmail 20857 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 22:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 22:39:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F2043036A for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1F5440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC6919FB29 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:39:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1733819FB28 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:39:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17552 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 22:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.131) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 22:39:10 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <100-bcc46449-25233.003@comkal.net> References: <100-bcc46449-25233.003@comkal.net> Message-Id: <94CD1C9F-63D2-4D8C-B57E-1D53ACA28EA5@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:39:03 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 23:39:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49652f21111291342116753 Good night out was it... :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/01/2009, at 2:05 AM, Ian Manners wrote: > And I'll be amazed if there are no grammar or spelling > mistakes caz I had to leave the car behind and catch a > cab home with my wife :o) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 23:50:46 2009 Received: (qmail 10936 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 22:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 22:50:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24B643036B for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:50:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8CF440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:50:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A8F19FB44 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:50:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBFC19FB2F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:50:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:50:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19883 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 22:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.131) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 22:50:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:50:30 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 23:50:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496531c6191131529615919 Another exponent of that undersaturated overdark style that's almost compulsory these days see the home page child portrait. Wayne H. kindly gave me a magazine recently for hospital reading and over half the shots in it had this odd graphic treatment. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/01/2009, at 2:10 AM, AS wrote: > Nightclub photography is an interesting market. Plenty of websites > popping up marketing nightclubs and bars - selling photos to > patrons is a natural add-on. Here is one of the better nightclub > photographers: > > http://www.danielsdiaz.com/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jan 7 23:52:11 2009 Received: (qmail 511 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 22:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 22:52:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F942430394 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6413E440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C3619FB58 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:52:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5D819FB56 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:52:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19975 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 22:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.131) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 22:52:00 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:51:53 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jan 7 23:52:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965321b259381470116606 Erk! _ I need a shower after looking through that. Libel? And 'public gaze' would protect him I think. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/01/2009, at 3:30 AM, Chris Crawford wrote: > For some hilarious nightclub photos check out: > > http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com > > The guy published a book too and a couple of the "douchebags" sued > him for > libel...LOL -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 00:58:32 2009 Received: (qmail 32470 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2009 23:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 23:58:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7E64303CA for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E36440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:57:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FB319FC2D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:57:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F1A19FC35 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:57:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.251]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:57:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so8570873rvb.50 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:57:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.114.15 with SMTP id r15mr11762944rvm.179.1231372659160; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:57:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?169.235.44.68? (wireless-169-235-44-68.ucr.edu [169.235.44.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f21sm63781375rvb.7.2009.01.07.15.57.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:57:38 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49650AE8.6080009@chucknorcutt.com> References: <5FC3FB03C2D5442AA17AA98718A20591@jimnichols> <49650AE8.6080009@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: <1DC4BD9C-DFBA-4B3A-B020-AB580ABA17BD@gmail.com> From: Nicoletta Da Ros Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:57:36 -0800 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 00:58:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496541a8178101470116606 oooh~ gorgeous photo! i love shadows and reflections, and this is just beautiful. nico. On Jan 7, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: Nice, Jim. It reminded me right away of this one But there's no sun around here today to cast shadows. Rain is falling on last night's frozen rain. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Continuing to evaluate the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 on the > Oly E-510, I found these shadows on cabinet work to present a > pleasing subject, while avoiding the cold wind outside. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 01:11:04 2009 Received: (qmail 22504 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 00:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 00:11:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E834303A1 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:11:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92565440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A1719FC5F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:10:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A159D19FC5C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:10:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:10:57 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n080Arbj022349 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:10:55 GMT Message-ID: <3B4A7FA260D14806A9DBF7AEBE02B8D2@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5FC3FB03C2D5442AA17AA98718A20591@jimnichols><49650AE8.6080009@chucknorcutt.com> <1DC4BD9C-DFBA-4B3A-B020-AB580ABA17BD@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:11:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 01:11:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49654498138551234514069 Hi Nico, Thanks for looking, and for the kind words. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicoletta Da Ros" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows > oooh~ gorgeous photo! i love shadows and reflections, and this is > just beautiful. > > nico. > > > > > On Jan 7, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > Nice, Jim. It reminded me right away of this one > > But there's no sun around here today to cast shadows. Rain is falling > on last night's frozen rain. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Continuing to evaluate the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 on the >> Oly E-510, I found these shadows on cabinet work to present a >> pleasing subject, while avoiding the cold wind outside. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 01:18:18 2009 Received: (qmail 31510 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 00:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 00:18:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89444303B7 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86338440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C3C34AC00E for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:18:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F389B34AC009 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:18:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:18:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50329 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LKibB-00068O-N9 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:18:09 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:18:05 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Nightclub photography Thread-Index: AclxJpNB0bDPwN0ZEd21+wAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 01:18:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965464a39262046811720 LOL!!!! I felt the same way after I saw it. You can thank Mike Johnson, who recommended the book on his Online Photographer blog. I'd never heard of the site or book before that. It is funny how many scuzzy douchebag guys have hot girlfriends though, even here in Indiana..LOL -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/7/09 5:51 PM, "Andrew Fildes" wrote: > Erk! _ I need a shower after looking through that. > Libel? And 'public gaze' would protect him I think. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 08/01/2009, at 3:30 AM, Chris Crawford wrote: > >> For some hilarious nightclub photos check out: >> >> http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com >> >> The guy published a book too and a couple of the "douchebags" sued >> him for >> libel...LOL -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 01:58:06 2009 Received: (qmail 24040 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 00:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 00:58:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EE543037F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:58:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFF0440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B252419FD03 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:58:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB6D19FD01 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:57:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl34.gs02.gridserver.com (cl34.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.43]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:57:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50871 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl34.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LKjDf-0002OC-P8 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:57:56 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:57:54 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia Thread-Index: AclxFgKBYr70kaMVRVmLNzpPz5ltUAAFiC1G In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 01:58:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49654f9e304311234514069 Cool photos. Do they write vertically using the Cyrillic alphabet? Before Mongolia came under Soviet domination in the 20th century, the Mongolians wrote using the Uyghur alphabet, which is a native writing system that is written vertically. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/7/09 5:19 PM, "Walters, Martin" wrote: > In November, I spent several days in Ulaanbaatar, capital of Mongolia. > Early one very brisk morning, I took the OM around the main square. > > Some of the architecture clearly shows Soviet influence! Mongolians > generally use Cyrillic script, but not Russian. Mongolian script is > written vertically. > > Another day I visited a Canadian-operated gold mine a couple of hours > out of town. Lots of interesting sights, but little opportunity to take > photos. > > I know the list has little affection for Flickr.... Anyway, some photos > at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14675507@N08/sets/72157612245771533/ > > All OM-2N, Portra 400 NC, Costco scans. > > Martin -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 02:05:02 2009 Received: (qmail 32669 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 01:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 01:05:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338AB4303C3 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2E1440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD1634AC00E for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:04:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0124A34AC005 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:04:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50074 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LKjKS-0004rC-8x for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:04:56 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:04:54 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Another photo of my grandpa, this time with his cat Thread-Index: AclxLR2MXCE5it0gEd2YqQAKlchBUg== Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: [OM] Another photo of my grandpa, this time with his cat X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 02:05:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965513e32837927319144 http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com See my latest post, grandpa and Molly -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 02:18:51 2009 Received: (qmail 21592 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 01:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 01:18:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF78430393 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E84440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6291219FD3A for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:18:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA73C19FD37 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:18:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2996478ywa.80 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.164.20 with SMTP id m20mr12886947ane.121.1231377522196; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:18:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:18:42 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 40a8b2b62facafc8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 02:18:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965547b270761591313764 > > > Nightclub photography is an interesting market. Plenty of websites > > popping up marketing nightclubs and bars - selling photos to > > patrons is a natural add-on. Here is one of the better nightclub > > photographers: > > > > http://www.danielsdiaz.com/ BETTER???? I'm sorry, but I've never seen so much "spray-on tan" and Photoshop skin-tightening since Lee Majors had his last face lift! Daniel's wedding work borders on scary and that frontpage photo looks like the kid's photo was inkjet printed on the bell of a french horn. Talk about brassy. This is a reference site for how not to do things. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 02:22:33 2009 Received: (qmail 17603 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 01:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 01:22:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCF54303AA for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F0D440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:22:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04CD34AC00E for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:22:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F7D34AC018 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:22:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330AA314134 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C897931412B for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:47:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:22:25 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 02:22:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965555913261702588592 As I get older and more eccentric bokeh has become one of the more important issues with any lens I use . Maybe the most important. I'll give up sharpness or live with distortion for great bokeh. If you can't afford the best then I guess you gotta make what you do have work. The two kit lenses with the E510 aren't that great but neither are they terrible. They do have other features like AF which make them more useful than the 135/4.5 which has beautiful bokeh but is hard for me to focus even with a tripod. Here is one example shot @ f8 for a bit more DOF of subject but also starts to show the splotchy background. Perhaps gaussian blur needed. Here's another with busy background elements. Some work with the clone tool or blurring might help. The ISO at 400 adds a little noise which isn't bad in this case I think. Make the equipment minuses work in your favor. The trick for me is to get rid of the annoying background altogether. Maybe too stark but better than the alternative IMO. Generally -0.3 to -0.7ev. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 02:24:04 2009 Received: (qmail 8936 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 01:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 01:24:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586BB4303B6 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1421D440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E994934AC016 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:23:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A5D34AC00E for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:23:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp120.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp120.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.224.75]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 57606 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 01:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mwalters@99.241.188.157 with plain) by smtp120.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 01:23:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dqIPKGkVM1l5cgoWS3JdpB89SX7Q4o8JHZtmvWxz0PxgeQJDXqSSwxAIKwsPGttOtQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <496555AC.30902@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:23:56 -0500 From: Martin Walters User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 02:24:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496555b4210669117217770 Chris: The Cyrillic text is written left to right. The Uyghur alphabet is vertical - see this photo for an example. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14675507@N08/3177779141/in/set-72157612245771533/ Martin Chris Crawford wrote: > Cool photos. Do they write vertically using the Cyrillic alphabet? Before > Mongolia came under Soviet domination in the 20th century, the Mongolians > wrote using the Uyghur alphabet, which is a native writing system that is > written vertically. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 02:28:59 2009 Received: (qmail 8041 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 01:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 01:28:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516B643039D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89998440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7640019FD59 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:28:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B670C19FD4C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:28:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp127.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp127.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.32]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:28:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 62389 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 01:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mwalters@99.241.188.157 with plain) by smtp127.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 01:28:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3tgLPcAVM1nECRbmiQxNxXROT6qsuf2zT_zhxZf3fjpGO7deiPokdoyRHH36E2e56A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <496556D5.6040500@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:28:53 -0500 From: Martin Walters User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49652D9D.9050009@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49652D9D.9050009@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 02:28:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496556db30601585427447 Chuck: Thanks. In the last year, Costco has doubled its scanning resolution (3078x2048), and Portra is supposed to scan well anyway. The only PP I did was correcting verticals (mainly poor technique on my part) and some cropping. Martin Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Very nice work and the scans look pretty good. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Walters, Martin wrote: >> In November, I spent several days in Ulaanbaatar, capital of Mongolia. >> Early one very brisk morning, I took the OM around the main square. >> >> Some of the architecture clearly shows Soviet influence! Mongolians >> generally use Cyrillic script, but not Russian. Mongolian script is >> written vertically. >> >> Another day I visited a Canadian-operated gold mine a couple of hours >> out of town. Lots of interesting sights, but little opportunity to take >> photos. >> >> I know the list has little affection for Flickr.... Anyway, some photos >> at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14675507@N08/sets/72157612245771533/ >> >> All OM-2N, Portra 400 NC, Costco scans. >> >> Martin >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 02:33:59 2009 Received: (qmail 22362 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 01:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 01:33:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0B043039A for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A678544000F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C08719FD65 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:33:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020F619FD63 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:33:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 83892 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2009 01:33:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iI4ep38VM1kljXKhPNwh.UPDOwFLQH_dH_n9vbq7l301Qq45lkVPHC6Vc44rl7zKEMwwvA8YVTVYAAjO1Yjmtu24lYbWdrgxwss9OQIVTEXVGzv6_yZtVkD4gkXp6VJ.PLGf8TgcsA8um42vEvZDsZaI1qc- Received: from [69.204.7.197] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:33:48 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <392496.82790.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 02:33:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49655807235145368819438 There a few people that I have come across that do club photography...Diaz is better of the bunch. I like his style. Technically it may not be great and I know he photoshops the heck out of them. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 02:39:12 2009 Received: (qmail 30821 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 01:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 01:39:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C047430376 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B3F440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01F519FD74 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:39:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C2919FD7A for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:39:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17531 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 01:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 01:39:03 -0000 Message-ID: <49655936.6080701@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:39:02 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 02:39:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965594057401499373980 The bokeh here could stand to be a little better but I think the biggest problem with this image is the extremely bright spots which draw the eye away from the flower. Chuck Norcutt Mike Lazzari wrote: > Here's another with busy background elements. Some work with the clone > tool or blurring might help. The ISO at 400 adds a little noise which > isn't bad in this case I think. Make the equipment minuses work in your > favor. > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 02:45:20 2009 Received: (qmail 8775 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 01:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 01:45:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C39A430381 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:45:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C91B440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:45:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2E919FD8F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:45:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D845519FD8D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:45:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so9599888wfd.26 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.241.10 with SMTP id o10mr9922128wfh.50.1231379114136; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.207.5 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:45:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0901071745p76798336n26510cedf8c60173@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:45:14 -0800 From: "Richard Man" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <392496.82790.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <392496.82790.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 02:45:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49655ab0198302046811720 Wow.... at first I thought it's that Ca*n plastic look, then so disappointed that he's shooting with Nik*n :-)!! On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:33 PM, AS wrote: > There a few people that I have come across that do club photography...Diaz > is better of the bunch. I like his style. Technically it may not be great > and I know he photoshops the heck out of them. > > -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // b: http://rfman.wordpress.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 03:25:19 2009 Received: (qmail 31725 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 02:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 02:25:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF161C40F63 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:25:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E4B440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:25:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899DC34AC00E for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:25:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.432 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.432 required=7 tests=[DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=2.431, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D0A34AC016 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:25:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P1); Accepted (68.230.240.9 is listed in dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090108022512.HIF18445.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:25:12 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 0qRA1b00Z4Z9Gks02qRBqT; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:25:11 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0IFCDLjwAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=2z4vGO1G10E_g-e2ZI8A:9 a=Ea4d2VWgaCXqk7xJySoA:7 a=phhmQSnQm4MWSsak7TTPXVz9oKYA:4 a=IKds56vswl8A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:25:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 03:25:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965640f1797927319144 I think the photos represent what the people in them desire. It may be that they are more lifelike than we would want to admit. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography > > >> > Nightclub photography is an interesting market. Plenty of websites >> > popping up marketing nightclubs and bars - selling photos to >> > patrons is a natural add-on. Here is one of the better nightclub >> > photographers: >> > >> > http://www.danielsdiaz.com/ > > > > BETTER???? I'm sorry, but I've never seen so much "spray-on tan" and > Photoshop skin-tightening since Lee Majors had his last face lift! > > Daniel's wedding work borders on scary and that frontpage photo looks like > the kid's photo was inkjet printed on the bell of a french horn. Talk > about > brassy. This is a reference site for how not to do things. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1881 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 5:59 PM -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 03:37:38 2009 Received: (qmail 32442 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 02:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 02:37:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E741C40546 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:37:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8662B440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E5E34AC00E for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:37:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D6834AC005 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:37:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8864 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 02:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 02:37:22 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:34:31 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 03:37:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496566f22269347015869 One of my complaints with the Olympus systems is the lack of a long focal length macro lens, which really helps control the background as well as give working distance. It was probably my number 2 or 3 reason to switch systems. And I don't think that a 100mm macro on a 4/3rds system is equivalent to 200mm on FF, as the working distance is not improved. (Correct me if I'm wrong). Granted, with internal focus, 1:1 with the Can*n 180mm is more like 135mm. Going for Bokeh is important, since rarely do we photograph flat scenes (except at infinity). I did a lot of experiments with the OM 180/2 lens and extension and tele-converters to create such a macro. In the end, it was not practical as there was too much leverage on the setup. One thing I have noticed in the photos posted, mine and others, is that foreground OOF elements are often a distraction, in even the best of shots. I have few of my shots where I find it OK. I'm curious what others think? WayneS At 08:22 PM 1/7/2009, Mike wrote: >As I get older and more eccentric bokeh has become one of the more >important issues with any lens I use . Maybe the most important. I'll >give up sharpness or live with distortion for great bokeh. > >The trick for me is to get rid of the annoying background altogether. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 03:49:12 2009 Received: (qmail 7313 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 02:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 02:49:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A19F4303A0 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01930440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D842019FE5D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:49:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8345919FE59 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:49:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:49:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.237]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n082n4eV008688 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:49:04 +1100 Message-Id: <200901080249.n082n4eV008688@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:49:03 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:49:03 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 03:49:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496569a8183671234514069 > WayneS wrote: > > One of my complaints with the Olympus systems is the lack of > a long focal length macro lens, which really helps control the > background as well as give working distance. It was probably > my number 2 or 3 reason to switch systems. And I don't think > that a 100mm macro on a 4/3rds system is equivalent > to 200mm on FF, as the working distance is not improved. > > (Correct me if I'm wrong). > Ok, because of the crop factor, you'll be standing in approximately the same position with a 200mm on a FF camera as you would with a 100mm on a 4/3 camera to fill the respective frame with the same subject. Effectively you have the same working distance but a different magnification (e.g. 1:1 on FF, 1:2 on 4/3). ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 03:51:38 2009 Received: (qmail 24152 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 02:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 02:51:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF604303AF for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4E7440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F3E19FE59 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:51:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55DD19FE5F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:51:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.237]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n082pVtB023227 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:51:31 +1100 Message-Id: <200901080251.n082pVtB023227@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:51:30 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:51:30 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 03:51:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49656a3a252111073733319 > WayneS wrote: > > One thing I have noticed in the photos posted, mine and others, > is that foreground OOF elements are often a distraction, in even > the best of shots. I have few of my shots where I find it OK. > I'm curious what others think? > I agree, I find it distracting in almost any type of shot, macro, portrait, landscape, etc. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 03:52:26 2009 Received: (qmail 22791 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 02:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 02:52:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5731C40300 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6C5440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:52:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316453610001 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:52:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F328434AC013 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:52:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6-qfe0.srvr.bell.ca [206.47.199.164]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.87]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090108025210.PBHS1652.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:52:10 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoBAOf0ZElMRyyV/2dsb2JhbAAIz16FdQ Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279732885.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.44.149]) by simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 07 Jan 2009 21:58:54 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:52:09 -0500 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Toronto and club/concert photography Thread-Index: AclxPBkbV7qfJt0vEd2LAAAX8gK7wA== Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Toronto and club/concert photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 03:52:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49656a6a317071073733319 While we're on the topic of Toronto (inadvertently) and club/concert photography, I'd like to point you to the work of Roger Humbert, who documents a lot of performers in this city for his Live Music Report: A bit of a mixed bag technically, but he has a good eye for capturing the performances, I think. He also has an encyclopaedic knowledge of the performers, and he's a most entertaining speaker. Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 04:11:43 2009 Received: (qmail 8994 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 03:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 03:11:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C894303CB for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:11:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65C2440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9BD834AC016 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF8334AC00C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:11:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.152]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:11:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so3008800ywa.80 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:11:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.151.14 with SMTP id y14mr12937919and.117.1231384297471; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:11:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:11:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:11:37 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ad7a2bb4c033cf95 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 04:11:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49656eef55451529615919 > > One thing I have noticed in the photos posted, mine and others, > is that foreground OOF elements are often a distraction, in even > the best of shots. I have few of my shots where I find it OK. > I'm curious what others think? > Yes. However, a "symmetrical" lens will generally produce equally good (or bad) bokeh in both foreground and background elements. Nearly all lenses for 4x5 cameras, for example, are symmetrical. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 04:58:43 2009 Received: (qmail 5419 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 03:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 03:58:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF78430382 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:58:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8F6440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:58:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31AC519FF2D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:58:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D211419FF2C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:58:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n083wWo4001191 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:58:32 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <82B87E544BE34631BBAF86145F122C6F@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:58:28 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 04:58:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496579f349951869477228 How does this one look? http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/180-04_F.jpg I don't use foreground OOF much as it is difficult to control but it is certainly good when done properly. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "WayneS" > One thing I have noticed in the photos posted, mine and others, > is that foreground OOF elements are often a distraction, in even > the best of shots. I have few of my shots where I find it OK. > I'm curious what others think? > > WayneS > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 05:00:05 2009 Received: (qmail 13162 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 04:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 04:00:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8842E4303AA for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:00:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27345440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:59:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E746119FF2F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:59:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC4719FF2D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:59:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:59:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13736 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 03:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 03:59:54 -0000 Message-ID: <49657A39.3080500@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:59:53 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 05:00:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49657a45275397927319144 Yes, I meant to make the same comment about Mike's first shot. Lovely blossom but the OOF leaves in front were a great distraction. I'm with you on that issue. I just don't abide OOF foregrounds at all. Chuck Norcutt WayneS wrote: > One thing I have noticed in the photos posted, mine and others, > is that foreground OOF elements are often a distraction, in even > the best of shots. I have few of my shots where I find it OK. > I'm curious what others think? > > WayneS > > At 08:22 PM 1/7/2009, Mike wrote: >> As I get older and more eccentric bokeh has become one of the more >> important issues with any lens I use . Maybe the most important. I'll >> give up sharpness or live with distortion for great bokeh. >> >> The trick for me is to get rid of the annoying background altogether. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 05:02:12 2009 Received: (qmail 27628 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 04:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 04:02:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF6D1C40F44 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:02:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A42440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E6219FF38 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:02:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60D919FF2D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:02:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15192 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 04:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 04:02:04 -0000 Message-ID: <49657ABB.6070200@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:02:03 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200901080249.n082n4eV008688@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200901080249.n082n4eV008688@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 05:02:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49657ac4189331023412894 If you allow me to be technical for a moment we actually have the same magnification (at the sensor). We just blow it up twice as much such that we get 2X on the print. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> WayneS wrote: >> >> One of my complaints with the Olympus systems is the lack of >> a long focal length macro lens, which really helps control the >> background as well as give working distance. It was probably >> my number 2 or 3 reason to switch systems. And I don't think >> that a 100mm macro on a 4/3rds system is equivalent >> to 200mm on FF, as the working distance is not improved. >> >> (Correct me if I'm wrong). >> > > Ok, because of the crop factor, you'll be standing in approximately the same position with a 200mm on a FF camera as you would with a 100mm on a 4/3 camera to fill the respective frame with the same subject. Effectively you have the same working distance but a different magnification (e.g. 1:1 on FF, 1:2 on 4/3). > > ...Wayne > > > > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 05:04:48 2009 Received: (qmail 3879 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 04:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 04:04:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA02C1C40F38 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:04:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68743440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:04:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516D719FF44 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:04:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A3519FF3D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:04:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16279 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 04:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 04:04:40 -0000 Message-ID: <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:04:40 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 05:04:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49657b60251351257536491 But I think you missed the point. We don't want to be admiring any good bokeh if it's in front. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> One thing I have noticed in the photos posted, mine and others, >> is that foreground OOF elements are often a distraction, in even >> the best of shots. I have few of my shots where I find it OK. >> I'm curious what others think? >> > > > Yes. However, a "symmetrical" lens will generally produce equally good (or > bad) bokeh in both foreground and background elements. Nearly all lenses for > 4x5 cameras, for example, are symmetrical. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 05:07:32 2009 Received: (qmail 13594 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 04:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 04:07:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C641C40F43 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:07:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477C1440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:07:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F3019FF4A for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:07:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA7919FF1B for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:07:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:07:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17503 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 04:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 04:07:24 -0000 Message-ID: <49657BFC.10307@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:07:24 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <82B87E544BE34631BBAF86145F122C6F@main> In-Reply-To: <82B87E544BE34631BBAF86145F122C6F@main> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 05:07:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49657c0440642336821329 Better than most but I would still wish it wasn't there. You're saved by the pretty face which leads one to look away from those OOF elements. :-) Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > How does this one look? > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/180-04_F.jpg > > I don't use foreground OOF much as it is difficult to control but it is > certainly good when done properly. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WayneS" > >> One thing I have noticed in the photos posted, mine and others, >> is that foreground OOF elements are often a distraction, in even >> the best of shots. I have few of my shots where I find it OK. >> I'm curious what others think? >> >> WayneS >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 05:11:26 2009 Received: (qmail 2833 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 04:11:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 04:11:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE251C40F48 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43BA440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A577D19FF60 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:11:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B8919FF5D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:11:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.239]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n084BIrT028051 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:11:18 +1100 Message-Id: <200901080411.n084BIrT028051@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:11:18 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:11:18 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 05:11:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49657cee307018512572685 > C.H.Ling wrote: > > How does this one look? > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/180-04_F.jpg > The bokeh is ok, I just don't like OOF things in the foreground. In this particular case the subject shouldn't have any distractions ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 05:18:14 2009 Received: (qmail 26991 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 04:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 04:18:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500B21C407EC for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F0F440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DE419FF7C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:18:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39BC19FF7A for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:18:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0qKM1b01G16AWCUA8sJ5pw; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:18:05 +0000 Received: from SpongeBob ([24.4.5.181]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0sHq1b00c3uLCT48SsJ5fo; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:18:05 +0000 From: "Jay Drew" To: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:17:53 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c97148$17853680$6400a8c0@SpongeBob> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 05:18:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49657e86150991073733319 I'll agree with Darin, the knobs are to keep the lens mount and camera mount boards from coming off. You do remove the screw at the end of the rail nearest the lens board so you can pull it off the rail and reverse it. I am wondering why the put the screw stops at both ends rather than just have a non-removable stop built in to one end, the end with the camera mount board. It may be as simple that it's cheaper to drill and tap a hole and put a knob on the end than to mill a stop into the rail. I checked on Alan Wood's site http://www.alanwood.net/photography/olympus/auto-bellows.html and on the mir site: http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/olympusom1n2/shared/macr o/index1.htm Both do not indicate any use of those threaded holes other than what we are guessing. But I did learn that (according to the MIR site) that the boards are threaded for Series VI filters. I don't have that filter (and why wouldn't they use 49mm filter thread?) - so I can't verify that tidbit of information. I see ridges but I couldn't say for certain that they are threads or just ridges to knock down reflected light. But back to the original premise of the show, just how much extension do you need Wayne? Take a cine lens and reverse it on a bellows. Gobs and gobs of magnification. No depth of field but magnification galore. Jay - still aspiring to take a good picture. >Wayne, I'm by no means an expert on OM gear, but I know of no accessories that >screw into the ends of the focusing rail. Their only purpose to my knowledge >is, as you said, to prevent the standards from falling off the ends. >If in fact the threads are an american standard thread, which I highly doubt >since they were made in Japan, and are not 1/4-20, the finer 1/4 inch thread is >1/4-28. My guess, just from glancing at them, is that they're either 5mm or >6mm. Unless someone else happens to know off-hand, I work at a machine shop and >can take mine to work this evening and check to find out for sure. > >As to mating two rails together, physically it could be done with a simple stud >of the proper size. However, unless I misunderstand your question, this >wouldn't be very practical since the rack gears don't extend fully to the ends >of the rail. Therefore you'd end up with about a 1" gap between gears, >resulting in the standards sliding freely along the rail. > >Hope that helps, >Darin >Wayne Harridge wrote: >>At each end of the rail of the OM bellows there is thumb screw which stops >>the bellows standards falling off the end of the rail. >>Were there any accessories that also screwed into these holes in the end of >>the rail ? >>The threaded holes appear to be about 1/4" diameter but finer than 20tpi so >>a standard tripod screw cannot be screwed in. What is the thread size for >>these holes ? >>Is it possible to join 2 sets of bellows together for extra extension ? Hand me my costume Please won't you pass me my mask I have appointments I must keep with my past. Bill Nelson - Beauty Secrets -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 05:27:32 2009 Received: (qmail 12230 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 04:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 04:27:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160B51C40F52 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:27:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F08D440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9CF34AC00C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:27:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AF534AC005 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:27:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.239]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n084ROC2010919 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:27:24 +1100 Message-Id: <200901080427.n084ROC2010919@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:27:24 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:27:24 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 05:27:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496580b4315091023412894 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > If you allow me to be technical for a moment we actually have the same > magnification (at the sensor). We just blow it up twice as much such > that we get 2X on the print. > I want to fill the frame with the image of this 10 cent piece (dime ?) sitting on my desk: I can use my OM-1 with a 100mm Kiron, or I can use my E-510 with my ZD 50/2, with either combination the distance from the 10 cent piece to the "sensor" plane will be the same (allowing +/- for differences in lens construction, internal focussing, etc.), and also the working distance will be very similar. I want to take a 1:1 macro image of a 10 cent piece sitting on my desk: The working distance for the E-510 ZD 50/2 combination will be about 1/2 that of the OM-1 Kiron. The image of the coin won't quite fill the frame of the OM-1 and the image of the entire coin probably won't fit in the E-510 frame. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 05:40:41 2009 Received: (qmail 13848 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 04:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 04:40:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7576B1C40F3C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:40:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFE0440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4790E34AC00C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:40:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B1E34AC005 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:40:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:40:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.239]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n084eXn5021653 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:40:34 +1100 Message-Id: <200901080440.n084eXn5021653@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:40:33 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:40:33 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 05:40:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496583c9157941470116606 > Jay Drew wrote: > > But I did learn that (according to the MIR site) that the boards are > threaded > for Series VI filters. I don't have that filter (and why wouldn't they > use 49mm > filter thread?) - so I can't verify that tidbit of information. I see > ridges > but I couldn't say for certain that they are threads or just ridges to > knock > down reflected light. Yes, I think I read the same thing on the eSIF - I doubt I have any Series VI filters I could use. > > But back to the original premise of the show, just how much extension do > you > need Wayne? Take a cine lens and reverse it on a bellows. Gobs and > gobs of > magnification. No depth of field but magnification galore. > I don't really need any extra extention, just wondering about those threaded holes ! By the way, which cine lenses are good for this ? I have used a 30/2.8 Rokkor enlaging lens reversed which works pretty well and because of the way it's constructed with an exposed rear element on a narrow shaft (would normally project into the enlarger bellows) it allows some light to get to the subject. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 05:53:31 2009 Received: (qmail 4174 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 04:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 04:53:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E224303B4 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA8D440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFFD1A00BA for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:53:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881421A0003 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:53:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.235]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n084rOIw019316 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:53:24 +1100 Message-Id: <200901080453.n084rOIw019316@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:53:24 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:53:24 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 05:53:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496586cb32601234514069 > Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > I want to take a 1:1 macro image of a 10 cent piece sitting on my desk: > The working distance for the E-510 ZD 50/2 combination will be about 1/2 > that of the OM-1 Kiron. The image of the coin won't quite fill the > frame of the OM-1 and the image of the entire coin probably won't fit in > the E-510 frame. > ...and I forgot to mention, I'd need to use a 25mm extension tube on the ZD 50/2 to get 1:1 (without it only gets to 1:2). ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 07:01:21 2009 Received: (qmail 31013 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 06:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 06:01:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675394303B9 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F38440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4471A020A for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:01:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B501A01FF for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:01:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 13 days 04:28:23 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-142.ctimail.com [61.93.57.142]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:01:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n08616MF009222 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:01:07 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n08616U4020442 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:01:06 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <1DDCE51E399C49ADA27B512B302BC069@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net><82B87E544BE34631BBAF86145F122C6F@main> <49657BFC.10307@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:01:03 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 07:01:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496596b1235102046811720 The OOF foreground may not work for everyone but I do like it, this is not a perfect example, it would be better if the big bright flower at the lower part of the image is removed. Similar to the bokeh issue, some people think a highly OOF smooth backgroud is good but to me it is just another shoot in the studio. I like a smooth background with something identifiable. To me the background is as important as the object, a blank (not necessary black) background only got 50 marks out of 100. To me the foreground is definately a plus and it should not be in focus, that means an OOF foreground, just not something easy to control. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Better than most but I would still wish it wasn't there. You're saved > by the pretty face which leads one to look away from those OOF elements. > :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> How does this one look? >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/180-04_F.jpg >> >> I don't use foreground OOF much as it is difficult to control but it is >> certainly good when done properly. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "WayneS" >> >>> One thing I have noticed in the photos posted, mine and others, >>> is that foreground OOF elements are often a distraction, in even >>> the best of shots. I have few of my shots where I find it OK. >>> I'm curious what others think? >>> >>> WayneS >>> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 07:15:37 2009 Received: (qmail 15752 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 06:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 06:15:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124E14303CA for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:15:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28ADB440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C9D1A0229 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:15:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EF11A0226 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:15:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:15:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5980 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 06:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.131) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 06:15:24 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <200901080411.n084BIrT028051@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200901080411.n084BIrT028051@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-Id: <7FAB8202-0F6B-4C3E-A995-6F07191CC83C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:15:16 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 07:15:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49659a09110094673671140 Have you any idea just how peculiar this sounds?! :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/01/2009, at 3:11 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > The bokeh is ok, I just don't like OOF things in the foreground. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 07:16:24 2009 Received: (qmail 23926 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 06:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 06:16:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA0F4303C9 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:16:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9B4440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF551A022D for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:16:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDAE1A022C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:16:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF84146143D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:34:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <4856789D-FC64-4326-8886-FA21105D0042@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <5FC3FB03C2D5442AA17AA98718A20591@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:16:15 +0000 References: <5FC3FB03C2D5442AA17AA98718A20591@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 07:16:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49659a3840761499373980 That looks good, Jim. You might want to try it in monochrome as well. Chris On 7 Jan 2009, at 18:36, Jim Nichols wrote: > Continuing to evaluate the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 on the > Oly E-510, I found these shadows on cabinet work to present a > pleasing subject, while avoiding the cold wind outside. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows.tif.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 07:23:34 2009 Received: (qmail 3451 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 06:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 06:23:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277104303CF for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6355D440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5041C34AC01F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:23:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9266334AC016 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:23:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:23:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F5C46143D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:41:32 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <81f9029680640de1d291435b0bf410a7@snap.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:23:27 +0000 References: <81f9029680640de1d291435b0bf410a7@snap.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 07:23:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49659be679771529615919 That looks delicious, Brian. I really like the colour. Chris On 7 Jan 2009, at 12:41, wrote: > Hi all, > > One shot to illustrate why I like this commbination. Apologies if > you have > seen it before. > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=266641&l=9b097&id=1027725807 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 07:24:16 2009 Received: (qmail 16344 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 06:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 06:24:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BF24303CC for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41E9440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A875D34AC016 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:24:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC03134AC00C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:24:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B974615FD for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:42:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:24:09 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 07:24:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49659c1039389347015869 Thanks, Martin, that's very interesting. Were you there on holiday or at work? Chris On 7 Jan 2009, at 22:19, Walters, Martin wrote: > In November, I spent several days in Ulaanbaatar, capital of Mongolia. > Early one very brisk morning, I took the OM around the main square. > > Some of the architecture clearly shows Soviet influence! Mongolians > generally use Cyrillic script, but not Russian. Mongolian script is > written vertically. > > Another day I visited a Canadian-operated gold mine a couple of hours > out of town. Lots of interesting sights, but little opportunity to > take > photos. > > I know the list has little affection for Flickr.... Anyway, some > photos > at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14675507@N08/sets/72157612245771533/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 08:01:43 2009 Received: (qmail 30351 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 07:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 07:01:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACB44303B3 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9872B440006 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:01:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DC734AC01F for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 08:01:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965a4d7161031993019900 There must be the beginnings of a limerick there. ...Wayne > > Have you any idea just how peculiar this sounds?! :-) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 08/01/2009, at 3:11 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > The bokeh is ok, I just don't like OOF things in the foreground. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 09:48:42 2009 Received: (qmail 8891 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 08:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 08:48:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850DF43027C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109A1D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E390334AC00F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:48:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B2E34AC00C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:48:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:48:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n088mGwK022716 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:48:29 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:48:14 +1100 Message-ID: <7E9E57152F0A41CC8C08B41C1A08F0BC@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <200901072122.n07LM7Zq018815@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Thread-Index: AclxDgOPFiWEtWSHRVW6b3Eo7l/ZoAAX590g Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 09:48:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965bdea102511823421471 > > Thanks Chuck, that sounds like a good workable way to do it. > I don't actually need to join 2 bellows together, just seem > to remember seeing a photo somewhere where this had been done. > This is what I remembered: http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/img154-a.jpg from Lefkowitz "The Manual of Close-Up Photography". ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 10:23:21 2009 Received: (qmail 31994 invoked by uid 0); 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (mail.bbp.ch [193.73.134.71]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ronald.localdomain (unverified) by mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:23:17 +0100 Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (unknown [172.22.111.60]) by ronald.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D8C5D04 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:23:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4965C601.7050908@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:23:13 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4964CB50.2090405@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4964CB50.2090405@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 10:23:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965c60978681234514069 Hi All, Over the holidays I had a brain wave - well I think that's what it was, anyway I wanted to look at some old pictures from my home town and then thought wouldn't it be great if I could see pictures from the fifties of the house that I live in now, from when it was new. I did some searching and found no such central repository for pictures so I registered the domain www.picturepedia.org, built the website put it up and then quickly added a gallery and forum. What I need is thought and ideas on the best way to categorise and name the albums, it will then also need pictures loading up and I need some advice on copyright wording etc, e.g something along the lines of the uploader must have rights to upload and downloading is only possible with consent from the uploader. plus any other legal advice you are nice enough to give me Of course you may think its a crap idea - but to form that opinion you have to visit the website first and see! www.picturepedia.org -- Iechyd da IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 10:56:24 2009 Received: (qmail 4169 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 09:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 09:56:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B81F43020E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA0CD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D647634AC00D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:56:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_RHS_DOB=0.901] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6554934AC00C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:56:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n089tvbB004184 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:56:12 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:55:53 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <4965C601.7050908@yahoo.co.uk> Thread-Index: AclxcsMW3nGG4qkURHGNC7SEm4nf1wAA9LGw Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 10:56:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965cdc886722336821329 > > Of course you may think its a crap idea - but to form that > opinion you have to visit the website first and see! > > www.picturepedia.org > Well I don't think it's a crap idea, like you I would like to find some old photographs of the area I live in particularly our house which I know has been altered quite a bit since it was first built. Good luck with the project ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 11:52:51 2009 Received: (qmail 10475 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 10:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 10:52:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5563043039A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C7ED0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8FE34AC01F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:52:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711F634AC00C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:52:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f33so5152450fkf.14 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.86.12 with SMTP id j12mr14053224fgb.64.1231411962157; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.70.6 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:52:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:52:42 +0000 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 11:52:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965db03145641591313764 I still think it works sometimes :-) Not one of mine, just something I saw this morning: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewsowerby/3174505947/ Tom 2009/1/8 Chuck Norcutt > But I think you missed the point. We don't want to be admiring any good > bokeh if it's in front. > > Chuck Norcutt > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 11:57:36 2009 Received: (qmail 19222 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 10:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 10:57:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963AB430121 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E26D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE82119E1AD for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:57:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DD119E19F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:57:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LKsZr-0002e7-5S for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:57:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:57:27 +0000 From: Patrick Moore To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20090108105727.GL2082@the.earth.li> References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: [OM] Some unmanaged Bokeh Re: More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 11:57:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965dc2082171342116753 Or rather, a badly focused photo, taken using a lensbaby: http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl?dir=alans_wedding_december_2008&photo=alans_wedding_074.jpg&o=72 and another for good measure: http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl?dir=alans_wedding_december_2008&photo=alans_wedding_077.jpg&o=72 Admittedly drunken snapshots, but still a bit of fun. paddy -- [ Is AC7 a hit? ] -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 12:06:56 2009 Received: (qmail 11180 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 11:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 11:06:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8EC43015D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 03:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2E2D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 03:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AD819E1F6 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 03:06:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E393F19E1F7 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 03:06:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 03:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so9788755wfd.26 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.200.20 with SMTP id x20mr10124544wff.103.1231412808468; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? (124-171-143-249.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.143.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 29sm42273351wfg.26.2009.01.08.03.06.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:06:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4965DE42.2040208@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:06:42 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 12:06:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965de50129951869477228 Wayne Harridge wrote: > ... Well I don't think it's a crap idea, like you I would like to > find some old photographs of the area I live in particularly our > house which I know has been altered quite a bit since it was first > built. Google Earth/Maps tells me that half the houses I lived in growing up (as a RAAF-brat) have been bulldozed, and in one case the entire residential suburb has (Amberley, Queensland). So, yeah, I don't think it's a crap idea either. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 13:19:44 2009 Received: (qmail 23659 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 12:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 12:19:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD764303AE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:19:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF74D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7423519E43F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:19:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.099 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, URIBL_RHS_DOB=0.901] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F2819E445 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:19:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LKtrC-00064d-Od for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:19:27 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4964CB50.2090405@blueyonder.co.uk> <4965C601.7050908@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:19:03 -0000 Message-ID: <1D3E500C702C44D99BF1E477E32B933B@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4965C601.7050908@yahoo.co.uk> Thread-Index: Aclxcr+CRNzB/jDFSL6sWQxJijYp4gAGBTxA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 07/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 13:19:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965ef60144211023412894 Ian, it's a very appealing idea, though I can foresee difficulty in reaching critical mass. You might like to take a look at http://www.theoldhometown.com/ which has 1 Dutch, 1 English, and 4 Scots towns covered. SO it isn't a competitor, 'cos you left Scotland off your skeleton! ;-) Piers -----Original Message----- From: swisspace [mailto:swisspace@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 08 January 2009 09:23 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed Hi All, Over the holidays I had a brain wave - well I think that's what it was, anyway I wanted to look at some old pictures from my home town and then thought wouldn't it be great if I could see pictures from the fifties of the house that I live in now, from when it was new. I did some searching and found no such central repository for pictures so I registered the domain www.picturepedia.org, built the website put it up and then quickly added a gallery and forum. What I need is thought and ideas on the best way to categorise and name the albums, it will then also need pictures loading up and I need some advice on copyright wording etc, e.g something along the lines of the uploader must have rights to upload and downloading is only possible with consent from the uploader. plus any other legal advice you are nice enough to give me Of course you may think its a crap idea - but to form that opinion you have to visit the website first and see! www.picturepedia.org -- Iechyd da IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 13:20:07 2009 Received: (qmail 25456 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 12:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 12:20:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CA9430370 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B5FD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9560519E449 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:20:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7339F19E43D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:20:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32720 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 12:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 12:19:57 -0000 Message-ID: <4965EF6D.8040407@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:19:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7E9E57152F0A41CC8C08B41C1A08F0BC@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <7E9E57152F0A41CC8C08B41C1A08F0BC@meo.dec.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 13:20:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965ef77127641234514069 I don't think these bellows units are mechanically joined other than via extension tubes between front and rear standards of two units. Then the whole assembly is held in place by the wood support. I assume each bellows unit is held to the wood support with a long 1/4-20 screw. The use of extension tubes to join them never occurred to me until I looked at this photo and wondered how they were connected. Rather ingenious and an easier and more general solution than what I proposed with the slide copier. As you can see these bellows units are not at all the same. I suspect they're put together with T-treads. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Thanks Chuck, that sounds like a good workable way to do it. >> I don't actually need to join 2 bellows together, just seem >> to remember seeing a photo somewhere where this had been done. >> > > This is what I remembered: > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/img154-a.jpg > > from Lefkowitz "The Manual of Close-Up Photography". > > ...Wayne > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 13:20:46 2009 Received: (qmail 21259 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 12:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 12:20:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80CD43027F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B59D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248DD19E459 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:20:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A928B19E44E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:20:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0zxH1b00D0cQ2SLA40LhnG; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:20:41 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 10Le1b00P3cAhRk8W0LgFB; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:20:41 +0000 Message-ID: <97D99D26CC764C2A9219043E0084662C@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <200901072115.n07LF8Dm004101@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:28:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 13:20:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965ef9e81711823421471 Wayne Harridge > > Yes, I suspect they are metric. > The threads are M6 X 1. If you're not familiar with metric threads, thats 6mm diameter and 1 full thread per millimeter. I point this out because, unlike US Standard threads which count threads per inch, metric treads are designated by how many millimeters per full thread. So, where a finer thread would result in the TPI being a larger number in US Standard, with metrics the finer thread is indicated by a smaller number. For example, the finer 6mm size is M6 X .75. > > I guess the section without the rack wouldn't matter too much, you'd just > need to avoid moving the standards over that section. I suspect that it > would be a weak point and something might break if both sections of rail > weren't adequately supported. > One other issue that comes to mind, is that you might have a problem with the two rails not being correctly orientated with one another. However, this could be solved simply by using a spacer, such as a thin washer, between the rails. The fun part would be figuring out just how thick this spacer would need to be. As far as it being a weak point, I would tend to agree. Though, on the up side, the threads appear to have been cut, rather than formed. This means, with the right equipment, one could easily drill and tap the holes deeper to allow for the use of a longer stud, thereby creating a stronger connection. Darin -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 13:21:01 2009 Received: (qmail 9776 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 12:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 12:21:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4024301ED for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8945FD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7975C19E44E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:20:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D63F19E457 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:20:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0zxH1b0050cQ2SLA20LhcL; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:20:41 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 10Le1b00P3cAhRk8W0LhFG; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:20:41 +0000 Message-ID: <72A9F78F3CE04CD484F16D5A89CCB8B2@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <7E9E57152F0A41CC8C08B41C1A08F0BC@meo.dec.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:30:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 13:21:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965efad321801585427447 Wow! That's quite the set-up. Darin Wayne Harridge wrote: > > This is what I remembered: > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/img154-a.jpg > > from Lefkowitz "The Manual of Close-Up Photography". > > ...Wayne > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 13:31:42 2009 Received: (qmail 15053 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 12:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 12:31:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA6B4301ED for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6927CD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB9534AC00C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:31:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9FC34AC018 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:31:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:31:33 -0500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:31:41 -0500 Message-ID: In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia Thread-index: AclxWbp7pTZKrpl3QmuJRQGWhucuegAMxtQg References: From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2009 12:31:33.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A3F0740:01C9718D] Subject: Re: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 13:31:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965f22e124977350615338 Chris: Work (including a week or so in Beijing). I would have loved to see more of Mongolia, but no time. Martin -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 1:24 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia Thanks, Martin, that's very interesting. Were you there on holiday or at work? Chris On 7 Jan 2009, at 22:19, Walters, Martin wrote: > In November, I spent several days in Ulaanbaatar, capital of Mongolia. > Early one very brisk morning, I took the OM around the main square. > > Some of the architecture clearly shows Soviet influence! Mongolians > generally use Cyrillic script, but not Russian. Mongolian script is > written vertically. > > Another day I visited a Canadian-operated gold mine a couple of hours > out of town. Lots of interesting sights, but little opportunity to > take photos. > > I know the list has little affection for Flickr.... Anyway, some > photos > at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14675507@N08/sets/72157612245771533/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 14:00:03 2009 Received: (qmail 26105 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 13:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 13:00:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69AD34301BE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:00:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC51D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:59:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B35619E581 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:59:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB26119E57B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:59:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f15.google.com (mail-bw0-f15.google.com [209.85.218.15]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:59:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so25170722bwz.14 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.110.144 with SMTP id n16mr17489812fap.55.1231419594913; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:59:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm44853996fkx.22.2009.01.08.04.59.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:59:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4965F8C9.60609@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:59:53 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4964CB50.2090405@blueyonder.co.uk> <4965C601.7050908@yahoo.co.uk> <1D3E500C702C44D99BF1E477E32B933B@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <1D3E500C702C44D99BF1E477E32B933B@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: Re: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 14:00:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965f8d3174243675314703 I did put Scotland in but somehow it got overwritten when I added Ireland, I wasn't sure if there was an album limit set somewhere and haven't managed to look at it again yet. Thanks for the link to the other site I didn't know it existed, I think I will continue with mine rather than support that one though as it doesn't seem to have much momentum and I think my name is better :-). The problem is getting people to load pictures, once they are started then people will come looking, unfortunately that involves effort form people and that is where I see the problem lies. But you never know and maybe I can drum up enough interest to make it a usefull resource. Piers Hemy wrote: > Ian, it's a very appealing idea, though I can foresee difficulty in reaching > critical mass. You might like to take a look at > http://www.theoldhometown.com/ which has 1 Dutch, 1 English, and 4 Scots > towns covered. SO it isn't a competitor, 'cos you left Scotland off your > skeleton! ;-) > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 14:12:04 2009 Received: (qmail 14865 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 13:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 13:12:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9CD4303A2 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB26D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:11:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C5D3610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:11:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800793610002 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:11:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LKufx-0004lT-UC for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:11:54 +0000 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LKufx-0005Lx-7R for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:11:53 +0000 Message-Id: From: James R To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4965F8C9.60609@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:11:52 +0000 References: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4964CB50.2090405@blueyonder.co.uk> <4965C601.7050908@yahoo.co.uk> <1D3E500C702C44D99BF1E477E32B933B@your9ya3hf92n3> <4965F8C9.60609@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 14:12:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965fba4203534673671140 With old pictures the problem's likely to be getting them scanned. How many of us have good intentions of scanning old family photos that have been in the proverbial shoe box for years? You could offer a scanning service. ;) One other thought I had was having some way of moving backwards and forwards in time for a given location. Of course your mass would need to have gone a long way past critical for that to become a big issue. James On 8 Jan 2009, at 12:59, swisspace wrote: > I did put Scotland in but somehow it got overwritten when I added > Ireland, I wasn't sure if there was an album limit set somewhere and > haven't managed to look at it again yet. > > Thanks for the link to the other site I didn't know it existed, I > think > I will continue with mine rather than support that one though as it > doesn't seem to have much momentum and I think my name is better :-). > > The problem is getting people to load pictures, once they are started > then people will come looking, unfortunately that involves effort form > people and that is where I see the problem lies. > > But you never know and maybe I can drum up enough interest to make > it a > usefull resource. > > > > Piers Hemy wrote: >> Ian, it's a very appealing idea, though I can foresee difficulty in >> reaching >> critical mass. You might like to take a look at >> http://www.theoldhometown.com/ which has 1 Dutch, 1 English, and 4 >> Scots >> towns covered. SO it isn't a competitor, 'cos you left Scotland >> off your >> skeleton! ;-) >> >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 14:20:21 2009 Received: (qmail 10786 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 13:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 13:20:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03695430277 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266E1D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C143610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:20:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4EB34AC002 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:20:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29323 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 13:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 14:20:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965fd95276451234514069 I just checked my own bellows and find that it doesn't completely agree with the description on the MIR site and on the eSIF. Like you, I see ridges on the back of the lens mount board but they seem too fine for filter threads. And the camera mount board not only doesn't have any threads but the bellows is not readily detachable there as it is on the lens end. If there were threads there they would not be accessible. Furthermore, neither the eSIF copy of the user's manual or text of the manual quoted by Alan Wood's site makes any mention of filter threads. But there are supposedly two versions of the bellows according to Woods. The later version has green markings (in addition to the white and orange of the earlier one) for the auto diaphragm version of the 80mm bellows lens. I'm not sure where this info comes from either since there is no such mention of using green markings on the bellows in the 80mm auto user's manual. If all of this is true there must exist a later version of the bellows user's manual describing modifications made to the later model which must include: a separate green scale for the 80mm auto, filter threads on the inside of both mounting boards and provision for removing the bellows from the body mounting board as well as the lens board. Anybody got one of these? Before sending I decided to check my notes on the bellows and discovered this from Phillip Franklin dating from March of 2000. This may be the source of the data in the eSIF. Note that only the front is mentioned. ------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:41:49 -0800 From: Phillip Franklin Subject: [OM] [OM} Bellow Reversed Front Standard is Series 6 thread Hans & everyone else interested, I just tested it out. That front standard reversed uses a Series 6 thread. So with a Series 6 to 49mm or 52mm step up ring it should make it easy to attach the Ring Flash or any other filter type attachment to the bellows with the lens reversed. Also by doing this it will protect the back element from a possible scratch when getting close with macro. I even found a Series 6 polaring filter in my stash of stuff from using a Mamyia Universal 6x9 camera. I do have some Series 6 filters but none with the step up to 49mm or 52mm, however they should not be hard to find. Wow, I've finally made a concrete contribution as opposed to general opinions. Phillip Franklin --------------------------------------------------------- But I find this a bit confusing. Series filters are not threaded. The only threads are on adapter rings (series 6 to specific lens thread) and retaining rings to hold the drop-in filter into the adapter. But these may optionally have additional threads in the front so perhaps what Phillip is talking about is a Series VI retaining ring with a 49mm step-up on the front. B&H still sells some series accessories but not what Philip mentions. Chuck Norcutt Jay Drew wrote: > > > But I did learn that (according to the MIR site) that the boards are threaded > for Series VI filters. I don't have that filter (and why wouldn't they use 49mm > filter thread?) - so I can't verify that tidbit of information. I see ridges > but I couldn't say for certain that they are threads or just ridges to knock > down reflected light. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 14:25:26 2009 Received: (qmail 6149 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 13:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 13:25:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834FF430397 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:25:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EF2D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA52319E63E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:25:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098A919E636 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:25:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31593 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 13:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 14:25:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965fec6127961234514069 You're right. That works for me too. Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > I still think it works sometimes :-) > Not one of mine, just something I saw this morning: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewsowerby/3174505947/ > > Tom > > 2009/1/8 Chuck Norcutt > >> But I think you missed the point. We don't want to be admiring any good >> bokeh if it's in front. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 14:29:53 2009 Received: (qmail 2741 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 13:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 13:29:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69F543020E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:29:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09BDD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:29:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9762434AC00C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:29:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9381B34AC002 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:29:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1425 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 13:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 13:29:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4965FFCA.6030406@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:29:46 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200901080427.n084ROC2010919@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200901080427.n084ROC2010919@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 14:29:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4965ffd1291978512572685 You're right. It won't fit if what you're talking about is a US ten cent piece. US dimes are 18mm in diameter. The 510's sensor is only 13mm on the short side, 17.3mm on the long side. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> If you allow me to be technical for a moment we actually have the same >> magnification (at the sensor). We just blow it up twice as much such >> that we get 2X on the print. >> > > I want to fill the frame with the image of this 10 cent piece (dime ?) sitting on my desk: > I can use my OM-1 with a 100mm Kiron, or I can use my E-510 with my ZD 50/2, with either combination the distance from the 10 cent piece to the "sensor" plane will be the same (allowing +/- for differences in lens construction, internal focussing, etc.), and also the working distance will be very similar. > > I want to take a 1:1 macro image of a 10 cent piece sitting on my desk: > The working distance for the E-510 ZD 50/2 combination will be about 1/2 that of the OM-1 Kiron. The image of the coin won't quite fill the frame of the OM-1 and the image of the entire coin probably won't fit in the E-510 frame. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 14:40:57 2009 Received: (qmail 14406 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 13:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 13:40:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFA943027B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D0AD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1A334AC002 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:40:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.901 required=7 tests=[URIBL_RHS_DOB=0.901] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE78C34AC009 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:40:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7451 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 13:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 14:40:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49660269289309347015869 I like the idea but I haven't a clue as to how to do it. But I will contribute old photos if I ever get them scanned before I die. I have lots of old photos of places I've lived and others. One of my stopping points on my round-the-country trip was Battle Creek, Michigan where I was born. Two of the three houses I lived in have since been demolished but I have pictures of the spots where they were. The third house was where I lived until the age of two. I have some photos of the area but I wasn't sure how to find it and don't know if it still exists. Chuck Norcutt swisspace wrote: > Hi All, > > Over the holidays I had a brain wave - well I think that's what it was, > anyway I wanted to look at some old pictures from my home town and then > thought wouldn't it be great if I could see pictures from the fifties of > the house that I live in now, from when it was new. > > I did some searching and found no such central repository for pictures > so I registered the domain www.picturepedia.org, built the website put > it up and then quickly added a gallery and forum. > > What I need is thought and ideas on the best way to categorise and name > the albums, it will then also need pictures loading up and I need some > advice on copyright wording etc, e.g something along the lines of the > uploader must have rights to upload and downloading is only possible > with consent from the uploader. plus any other legal advice you are nice > enough to give me > > Of course you may think its a crap idea - but to form that opinion you > have to visit the website first and see! > > www.picturepedia.org > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 14:48:58 2009 Received: (qmail 26620 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 13:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 13:48:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5897C430277 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1D7D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E9434AC00C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:48:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.901 required=7 tests=[URIBL_RHS_DOB=0.901] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEBC34AC009 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:48:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11527 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 13:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 13:48:50 -0000 Message-ID: <49660441.8050606@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:48:49 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4964CB50.2090405@blueyonder.co.uk> <4965C601.7050908@yahoo.co.uk> <1D3E500C702C44D99BF1E477E32B933B@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <1D3E500C702C44D99BF1E477E32B933B@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 14:48:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966044a196691023412894 Interesting but hard to navigate. Chuck Norcutt Piers Hemy wrote: > Ian, it's a very appealing idea, though I can foresee difficulty in reaching > critical mass. You might like to take a look at > http://www.theoldhometown.com/ which has 1 Dutch, 1 English, and 4 Scots > towns covered. SO it isn't a competitor, 'cos you left Scotland off your > skeleton! ;-) > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: swisspace [mailto:swisspace@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: 08 January 2009 09:23 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed > > Hi All, > > Over the holidays I had a brain wave - well I think that's what it was, > anyway I wanted to look at some old pictures from my home town and then > thought wouldn't it be great if I could see pictures from the fifties of the > house that I live in now, from when it was new. > > I did some searching and found no such central repository for pictures so I > registered the domain www.picturepedia.org, built the website put it up and > then quickly added a gallery and forum. > > What I need is thought and ideas on the best way to categorise and name the > albums, it will then also need pictures loading up and I need some advice on > copyright wording etc, e.g something along the lines of the uploader must > have rights to upload and downloading is only possible with consent from the > uploader. plus any other legal advice you are nice enough to give me > > Of course you may think its a crap idea - but to form that opinion you have > to visit the website first and see! > > www.picturepedia.org > > -- > Iechyd da > IanW > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 15:38:51 2009 Received: (qmail 20895 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 14:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 14:38:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96AB4303B9 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:38:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D12D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:38:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACAA19E8DC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:38:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F1619E896 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:38:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (mail.bbp.ch [193.73.134.71]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ronald.localdomain (unverified) by mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:38:44 +0100 Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (unknown [172.22.111.60]) by ronald.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9855D04 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:38:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49660FF0.4000003@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:38:40 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4964CB50.2090405@blueyonder.co.uk> <4965C601.7050908@yahoo.co.uk> <1D3E500C702C44D99BF1E477E32B933B@your9ya3hf92n3> <4965F8C9.60609@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 15:38:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49660ffb73971035110158 good point, I had consdiderd offering a service whereby they send them to me with return addressed envelope and I scan them and send them back they could then download them from the site or pay more and receive a CD with them on. Mind you most of the list members have scanners maybe you could all become agents ;-) I was hoping the search engine allowed place then date etc, which is why I need to think about the metadata or tagging now and try and fine some way of enforcing it. thanks for the comments IanW James R wrote: > With old pictures the problem's likely to be getting them scanned. How > many of us have good intentions of scanning old family photos that > have been in the proverbial shoe box for years? You could offer a > scanning service. ;) > > One other thought I had was having some way of moving backwards and > forwards in time for a given location. Of course your mass would need > to have gone a long way past critical for that to become a big issue. > > James > > On 8 Jan 2009, at 12:59, swisspace wrote: > > > -- Iechyd da IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 15:40:17 2009 Received: (qmail 26580 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 14:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 14:40:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC394303B9 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEBDD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5039719E884 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:40:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BA719E896 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:40:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:40:10 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n08Ee7fp005006 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:40:09 GMT Message-ID: <59D69AF9968F4DD9AB09CFCD6CF0748D@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5FC3FB03C2D5442AA17AA98718A20591@jimnichols> <4856789D-FC64-4326-8886-FA21105D0042@threeshoes.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:40:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 15:40:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966105128081744846740 Thanks for looking, Chris. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows > That looks good, Jim. You might want to try it in monochrome as well. > > Chris > > On 7 Jan 2009, at 18:36, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Continuing to evaluate the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 on the >> Oly E-510, I found these shadows on cabinet work to present a >> pleasing subject, while avoiding the cold wind outside. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows.tif.html > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 15:45:19 2009 Received: (qmail 18816 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 14:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 14:45:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140EF43039B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44E6D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A0A19E926 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:45:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73C919E925 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:45:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f20.google.com (mail-fx0-f20.google.com [209.85.220.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:45:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm13 with SMTP id 13so1730448fxm.14 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.114.68 with SMTP id d4mr17578597faq.86.1231425909468; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (gatekeeper.bbp.ch [193.73.134.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z15sm32877414fkz.28.2009.01.08.06.45.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:45:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49661173.3070705@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:45:07 +0100 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4964CB50.2090405@blueyonder.co.uk> <4965C601.7050908@yahoo.co.uk> <49660261.4080404@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49660261.4080404@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 15:45:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966117f274723675314703 I chose coppermine software for the gallery, which is quite featured and hopefully has enough of what I need. at its php and mysql and open source, should it get busy enough then I am sure I could figure out how to fine tune it. I have a USA gallery but maybe this should be down to state level etc, what I haven't figured out is how it copes with name changes of towns etc. I mean now we have geotagging maybe it could be done by coordinates. looking forward to seeing those pictures ;-) IanW Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I like the idea but I haven't a clue as to how to do it. But I will > contribute old photos if I ever get them scanned before I die. I have > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 16:35:16 2009 Received: (qmail 1056 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 15:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 15:35:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F00B4303A9 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:35:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A67D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C4619EB37 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:35:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8908D19EB2E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:35:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n08FYwB6029840 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:34:59 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:34:44 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 16:35:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49661d34206811529615919 My first day with a FF digital body: http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 Nighttime handheld is fun: http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 mirror. C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 16:57:33 2009 Received: (qmail 11257 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 15:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 15:57:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8724303C5 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69671D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:57:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C67934AC009 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:57:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CC13618004 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:57:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:57:24 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n08FvKHG018008 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:57:22 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com><4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:57:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 16:57:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966226d114121585427447 The night time shot showing the Phillips sign in the background is really nice. I think you will really enjoy this combination of body and lenses. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth > My first day with a FF digital body: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 > > Nighttime handheld is fun: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 > > Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 mirror. > > C.H.Ling > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 17:09:24 2009 Received: (qmail 18776 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 16:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 16:09:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E772D4303CF for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:09:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872F1D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5089719EC6E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:09:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340F519EC78 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:09:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.226.244]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:09:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from wireless-169-235-53-119.ucr.edu (wireless-169-235-53-119.ucr.edu [169.235.53.119]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id DUN78073 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:09:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:09:14 -0800 References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 17:09:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49662534197521838542571 On Jan 8, 2009, at 7:34 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > My first day with a FF digital body: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 > The 2nd image, red leaves (?) is particularly striking and my favourite of the entire set! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 17:25:19 2009 Received: (qmail 25887 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 16:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 16:25:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F4643010E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:25:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E51FD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E71D19ED56 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:25:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF3819ED5A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:25:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:25:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n08GP7LA009788 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:25:07 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <4CC502A5DA954079B40ED99AE1A61FE1@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com><4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:25:01 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 17:25:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496628ef64702070262475 Thanks for looking, it is red petals, same as the one in the third picture with a bee, backlit made them more beautiful. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: > > On Jan 8, 2009, at 7:34 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > >> My first day with a FF digital body: >> >> http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 >> > > The 2nd image, red leaves (?) is particularly striking and my > favourite of the entire set! > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 17:36:55 2009 Received: (qmail 28617 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 16:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 16:36:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98144303C5 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789C9D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1205C34AC00C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:36:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD71E34AC005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:36:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-3cf86qn.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.244.27.87] helo=[10.0.0.5]) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1LKxsF-0006bL-00 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:36:48 -0500 Message-ID: <49662B3B.7050604@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:35:07 -0800 From: "Larry G. Griffin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081031 SeaMonkey/1.1.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 17:36:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49662ba7137461470116606 Howdy All, Long time Lurker here. Thought I'd post this for all that are running out of room on their 32Gb cards. SD Card Association sets spec for 2 Terabyte Memory cards No, that's not a typo. 32 Gigabyte microSD cards are barely available yet and the SD Card Association today introduced SD eXtended Capacity. SDXC will be able to fit up to 2 /terabytes/ of data onto a small memory card. To put things in perspective, a 2TB SDXC memory card can store 100 HD movies, 60 hours of HD recordings or 17,000 high-quality photos. Could someone please tell me what the password is so I can search the archives? I've just acquired a E-300, and have too many questions. I too will be thinning out my OMs. Larry Gateway to Yosemite, CA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 17:43:33 2009 Received: (qmail 20102 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 16:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 16:43:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334DD4303CA for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984D3D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6986A34AC00C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:43:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F197C34AC002 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:43:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18918 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 16:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 16:43:23 -0000 Message-ID: <49662D2A.7080300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:43:22 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 17:43:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49662d35206511823421471 Wow, those are wonderful. I especially love all the macro shots and the second night shot with the buildings along the water. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > My first day with a FF digital body: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 > > Nighttime handheld is fun: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 > > Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 mirror. > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 17:47:08 2009 Received: (qmail 11424 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 16:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 16:47:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E484303CA for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32162D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2012619EE48 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:46:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF67C19EDCB for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:46:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:46:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21132 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 16:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 16:46:46 -0000 Message-ID: <49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:46:46 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> In-Reply-To: <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 17:47:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49662e0c751823421471 For lovely images I find it hard to choose between 1, 2 and 4. And the quality of 3 is probably something I'll never capture in my life. Chuck Norcutt siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > On Jan 8, 2009, at 7:34 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > >> My first day with a FF digital body: >> >> http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 >> > > The 2nd image, red leaves (?) is particularly striking and my > favourite of the entire set! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 17:50:07 2009 Received: (qmail 18014 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 16:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 16:50:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A444303A7 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D059FD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0EFF19EE5D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:49:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F9319EE55 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:49:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n08GniY7014057 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:49:44 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com><4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:49:40 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 17:50:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49662ebf21941470116606 Thanks Jim, I'm still checking how the Zuikos perform at full frame, so far the fisheye looks sharp with some vignetting, CA seems even less than the DZ8mm. The 40/2 is also sharp with great bokeh and little vignetting. The 28-48 is a good family lens with little vignetting and good bokeh. Either the 28/2 or the 28-48 will be mounted on the camera most of the time. I really love the MF Zuikos, for snap shoots you don't need to focus even with the 40/2, just use the scale on the lens is good enough. The AF lenses I have seen are crap when it comes to distance scale, most are too coarse and many zooms are not accurate (can't maintain the focus when zoom). C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" > The night time shot showing the Phillips sign in the background is really > nice. I think you will really enjoy this combination of body and lenses. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 17:56:04 2009 Received: (qmail 30053 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 16:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 16:56:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8037430299 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF30D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76FC34AC002 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:55:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C7134AC009 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:55:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:55:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26502 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 16:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 16:55:58 -0000 Message-ID: <4966301D.2050702@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:55:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49662B3B.7050604@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <49662B3B.7050604@earthlink.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 01/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 17:56:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966302440301234514069 It will be interesting to know what the spec is for the file system. If it's FAT32 and very large it will probably be OK as long as you're accessing the card sequentially. But if you do intermediate deletions I would think it could get very slow. I hope they've picked a better file system. Incidentally, I think you may have dropped a zero from your capacity statement. By my calculations 2TB is enough to store about 150,000 Canon 5D raw files at 13MB each. Chuck Norcutt Larry G. Griffin wrote: > Howdy All, > > Long time Lurker here. Thought I'd post this for all that are running > out of room on their 32Gb cards. > > SD Card Association sets spec for 2 Terabyte Memory cards > No, that's not a typo. 32 Gigabyte microSD cards are barely available > yet and the SD Card Association today introduced SD eXtended Capacity. > SDXC will be able to fit up to 2 /terabytes/ of data onto a small memory > card. To put things in perspective, a 2TB SDXC memory card can store 100 > HD movies, 60 hours of HD recordings or 17,000 high-quality photos. > > Could someone please tell me what the password is so I can search the > archives? > > I've just acquired a E-300, and have too many questions. I too will be > thinning out my OMs. > > Larry > Gateway to Yosemite, CA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 17:57:01 2009 Received: (qmail 26545 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 16:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 16:57:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB896430241 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EF6D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07E919EE9C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:56:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E755C19EE92 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:56:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LKyBd-0007ut-TI for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:56:50 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <49662B3B.7050604@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:56:46 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <49662B3B.7050604@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: Aclxr5M5SU5Tl4e/RrC1L/hXDO8+xAAAk81g X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090107-0, 07/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8842/Wed Jan 7 14:06:50 2009, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 17:57:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966305d290161744846740 The email address/password combination is specific to you, Larry, and is to be found in the welcome message when you subscribed, subject 'Welcome to the "olympus" mailing list' Piers -----Original Message----- From: Larry G. Griffin [mailto:lggriffin@earthlink.net] Sent: 08 January 2009 16:35 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb --snip Could someone please tell me what the password is so I can search the archives? --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 17:57:31 2009 Received: (qmail 12454 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 16:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 16:57:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD904303BC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DABD0404B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:57:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3D419EE92 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:57:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDC019EE9A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:57:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n08Gv4wC015567 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:57:04 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <6DF10BB2FD694622935499E4ACCBC08B@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> <49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:57:03 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 17:57:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966307b149041744846740 Thanks for the kind words Chuck, able to use the Zuikos in FF is great, the feeling is even better than the first time I mount the 50/3.5 on a 10D in 2003. There is no crop factor and the veiwfinder is very usable for MF even with a 24/2. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > For lovely images I find it hard to choose between 1, 2 and 4. And the > quality of 3 is probably something I'll never capture in my life. > > Chuck Norcutt > > siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: >> On Jan 8, 2009, at 7:34 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: >> >>> My first day with a FF digital body: >>> >>> http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 >>> >> >> The 2nd image, red leaves (?) is particularly striking and my >> favourite of the entire set! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 18:06:28 2009 Received: (qmail 19949 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 17:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 17:06:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09934302A6 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:06:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D62D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6428734AC00C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:06:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF0534AC002 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:06:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KD500I7NWUHADE2@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:06:17 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-30.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.30]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:52:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:06:18 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AugNANPAZUkY3tge/2dsb2JhbACBZogzxRMGhW8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,235,1231128000"; d="scan'208";a="402642123" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 18:06:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966329424561744846740 Hello CH ... What is the name and location of the church seen in the daytime photos and also the name and location of the oneway up hill street ? I think I recognize both but can't work out any more details. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth > My first day with a FF digital body: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 > > Nighttime handheld is fun: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 > > Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 mirror. > > C.H.Ling > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 18:22:53 2009 Received: (qmail 17757 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 17:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 17:22:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7EC43015D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C64D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B992034AC00E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:22:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BA134AC002 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:22:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:22:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k57so5379285rnd.13 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.210.8 with SMTP id i8mr6880250wfg.139.1231435360625; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:22:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901080922n2f53bfc1jb590e988d39052fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:22:40 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 18:22:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966366d140745368819438 On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:34 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > My first day with a FF digital body: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 > > Nighttime handheld is fun: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 > > Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 mirror. Very nice. I envy you! Do you expect to shoot wide open or nearly wide open most of the time? Is the viewfinder good/bright enough to allow you to shoot stopped down to f8 or f11? Is LV helpful in those situations? Thanks, Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 18:24:38 2009 Received: (qmail 11003 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 17:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 17:24:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E734303B1 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239ECD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EA219EFB8 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:24:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D079619EFAB for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:24:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.67]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:24:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-3cf86qn.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.244.27.87] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1LKycM-00061A-00 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:24:26 -0500 Message-ID: <4966367F.5020508@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:23:11 -0800 From: "Larry G. Griffin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081031 SeaMonkey/1.1.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49662B3B.7050604@earthlink.net> <4966301D.2050702@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4966301D.2050702@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 18:24:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496636d627731023412894 Here;s the link to the article from Information Week; http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/01/ces_2009_sd_car.html According to the article "To put things in perspective, a 2 TB SDXC memory card can store 100 HD movies, 60 hours of HD recordings, or 17,000 high-quality photos." Larry Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It will be interesting to know what the spec is for the file system. If > it's FAT32 and very large it will probably be OK as long as you're > accessing the card sequentially. But if you do intermediate deletions I > would think it could get very slow. I hope they've picked a better file > system. > > Incidentally, I think you may have dropped a zero from your capacity > statement. By my calculations 2TB is enough to store about 150,000 > Canon 5D raw files at 13MB each. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Larry G. Griffin wrote: > >> Howdy All, >> >> Long time Lurker here. Thought I'd post this for all that are running >> out of room on their 32Gb cards. >> >> SD Card Association sets spec for 2 Terabyte Memory cards >> No, that's not a typo. 32 Gigabyte microSD cards are barely available >> yet and the SD Card Association today introduced SD eXtended Capacity. >> SDXC will be able to fit up to 2 /terabytes/ of data onto a small memory >> card. To put things in perspective, a 2TB SDXC memory card can store 100 >> HD movies, 60 hours of HD recordings or 17,000 high-quality photos. >> >> Could someone please tell me what the password is so I can search the >> archives? >> >> I've just acquired a E-300, and have too many questions. I too will be >> thinning out my OMs. >> >> Larry >> Gateway to Yosemite, CA >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 18:26:43 2009 Received: (qmail 19615 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 17:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 17:26:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C444303C1 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6BBD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7E019EFBA for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:26:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A06119EFC3 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:26:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LKyeP-0003a2-2c for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:26:33 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LKyeO-0007II-Je for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:26:32 +0000 Message-ID: <4966375B.6080103@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:26:51 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 18:26:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966375322082336821329 C.H.Ling wrote: > My first day with a FF digital body: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 > > Nighttime handheld is fun: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 > > Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 mirror. > > C.H.Ling > Great stuff, Ling. I trust you'll be giving us your detailed impressions of the camera in due course (not putting any pressure on you, or seeking to burden you with work...;-))? D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 18:31:05 2009 Received: (qmail 18674 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 17:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 17:31:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916E7430319 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808C5D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:30:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D9734AC00C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:30:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B745E34AC002 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:30:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:30:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2772306and.35 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:30:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.191.5 with SMTP id o5mr4668207wff.277.1231435854687; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:30:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901080930m2b62195qd2aa31a22c1134b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:30:54 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <5FC3FB03C2D5442AA17AA98718A20591@jimnichols> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FC3FB03C2D5442AA17AA98718A20591@jimnichols> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 18:31:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49663859131981702588592 On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Continuing to evaluate the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 on the Oly E-510, I found these shadows on cabinet work to present a pleasing subject, while avoiding the cold wind outside. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. I like it! Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 18:33:50 2009 Received: (qmail 9572 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 17:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 17:33:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1764303AF for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:33:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912EED0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C8F34AC00C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:33:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1171734AC005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:33:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.70]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:33:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-3cf86qn.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.244.27.87] helo=[10.0.0.4]) by pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1LKylK-0001ur-00 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: <496638AC.7060807@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:32:28 -0800 From: "Larry G. Griffin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081031 SeaMonkey/1.1.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49662B3B.7050604@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 18:33:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496638fe78142070262475 Piers, I subscribed a half dozen computers ago. If I had a password it's lost. I tried the three I might of used with no luck. Larry Piers Hemy wrote: > The email address/password combination is specific to you, Larry, and is to > be found in the welcome message when you subscribed, subject 'Welcome to the > "olympus" mailing list' > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry G. Griffin [mailto:lggriffin@earthlink.net] > Sent: 08 January 2009 16:35 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb > > --snip > > Could someone please tell me what the password is so I can search the > archives? > > --snip > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 18:41:50 2009 Received: (qmail 4326 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 17:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 17:41:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36AF54303CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:41:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC1FD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900D119F054 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:41:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7F219F04F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:41:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (Low) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (132.156.37.16 whitelisted by list.dnswl.org 8.2) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:41:42 -0500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:41:42 -0500 Message-ID: In-reply-to: <496638AC.7060807@earthlink.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb Thread-index: Aclxt0Rdky1S8PkGSmqQwH4dcpp7oQAAGlsA References: <49662B3B.7050604@earthlink.net> <496638AC.7060807@earthlink.net> From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2009 17:41:42.0890 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E6D1CA0:01C971B8] Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 18:41:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49663ade309258512572685 I believe the list (http://lists.tako.de/html/Olympus-OM/) no longer has a dedicated search function, so there's no password required. Google is now used, with the following syntax (from Google itself). "You can use Google to search only within one specific website by entering the search terms you're looking for, followed by the word "site" and a colon followed by the domain name". As an example, try "zuiko 28mm site:lists.tako.de" Martin -----Original Message----- From: Larry G. Griffin [mailto:lggriffin@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:32 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb Piers, I subscribed a half dozen computers ago. If I had a password it's lost. I tried the three I might of used with no luck. Larry Piers Hemy wrote: > The email address/password combination is specific to you, Larry, and > is to be found in the welcome message when you subscribed, subject > 'Welcome to the "olympus" mailing list' > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry G. Griffin [mailto:lggriffin@earthlink.net] > Sent: 08 January 2009 16:35 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb > > --snip > > Could someone please tell me what the password is so I can search the > archives? > > --snip > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 18:50:53 2009 Received: (qmail 6260 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 17:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 17:50:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD56243039E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:50:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8CDD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:50:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDDB34AC00C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:50:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9793610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:50:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:50:45 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n08Hoeod021157; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:50:42 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:50:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 18:50:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49663cfd296382070262475 This well-fed neighborhood cat visits our fenced back yard on most sunny days. We haven't determined where it lives. Today, for the first time, I was able to get it to approach me close enough for me to scratch its head. Still spooky, posing it was not an option. I blew some highlights, but got a useful image. Oly E-510 with Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4, ISO 100, shot RAW and post-processed in Elements 6.0. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Backyard+Visitor.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 18:56:01 2009 Received: (qmail 17400 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 17:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 17:56:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADCE4303B6 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BADD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:55:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D0E34AC00E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:55:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405CA34AC00D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:55:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:55:52 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n08HtiW1007630 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:55:49 GMT Message-ID: <61F5726F1FD442989021A64A2EA78224@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5FC3FB03C2D5442AA17AA98718A20591@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0901080930m2b62195qd2aa31a22c1134b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:55:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 18:56:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49663e3139021234514069 Thanks, Joel. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Shadows > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Jim Nichols > wrote: >> Continuing to evaluate the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4 on the Oly >> E-510, I found these shadows on cabinet work to present a pleasing >> subject, while avoiding the cold wind outside. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. > > I like it! > > Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 19:02:45 2009 Received: (qmail 31163 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 18:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 18:02:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167B14303C4 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C21D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:02:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0366A34AC00F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:02:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6723534AC00D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:02:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 24 days 11:02:14 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:02:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FB028ACD4B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:02:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VcGnneaZ4R+D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:02:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9726528ACD10 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:02:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:02:28 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 19:02:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49663fc5240962336821329 > From: "Sue Pearce" > > I think the photos represent what the people in them desire. It may > be that > they are more lifelike than we would want to admit. Very astute! I can understand that, without understanding the entire thing. I never much liked that scene even when I was that age and was getting paid to be there. :::: There's a difference between having an open mind and letting the wind blow through your ears! :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 19:14:17 2009 Received: (qmail 7207 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 18:14:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 18:14:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F17D4303D2 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE118D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95CE19F1AE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:14:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B7B19F1A9 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:14:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so3126895yxi.80 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.132.2 with SMTP id f2mr10274381wfd.168.1231438448118; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:14:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901081014w177747afjc2f01577867be632@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:14:08 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901061802o15baacd3rf6259bed8083e053@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Going home X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 19:14:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49664279154191073733319 On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > We'll leave the light on for you. > AG Thanks dood, but you might have left the heat on ... Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 19:15:14 2009 Received: (qmail 32607 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 18:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 18:15:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B154430397 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C81D0404B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38AF19F1A0 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:15:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3AC19F1AF for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:15:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 24 days 11:14:43 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFFF28AD1E1 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:15:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BDBOcUpKHQuk for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121D128AD1D2 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:15:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <8E5F9AAB-C8D1-445E-A601-636C0F6CA5C5@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:15:05 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 19:15:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496642b1242894673671140 > From: WayneS > > One thing I have noticed in the photos posted, mine and others, > is that foreground OOF elements are often a distraction, in even > the best of shots. I have few of my shots where I find it OK. > I'm curious what others think? One of the first things I teach in class is that the quality of the foreground highlights determines the *perception* of the overall quality. No matter how good the rest of the image is, a bright fuzzy thing in front will cause others to perceive that the entire image is fuzzy. :::: A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -- Edward Abbey :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 19:37:01 2009 Received: (qmail 7412 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 18:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 18:37:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB7B4303B4 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80111D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659D434AC00D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:36:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A47334AC009 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:36:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.66]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-3cf86qn.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.244.27.87] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1LKzkS-0000gc-00 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:36:52 -0500 Message-ID: <49664779.1020108@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:35:37 -0800 From: "Larry G. Griffin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081031 SeaMonkey/1.1.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49662B3B.7050604@earthlink.net> <496638AC.7060807@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 19:37:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496647cd273171023412894 Martin, Thank you, that works. Back to lurk mode till I'm done thinning. Larry Walters, Martin wrote: > I believe the list (http://lists.tako.de/html/Olympus-OM/) no longer has > a dedicated search function, so there's no password required. Google is > now used, with the following syntax (from Google itself). > > "You can use Google to search only within one specific website by > entering the search terms you're looking for, followed by the word > "site" and a colon followed by the domain name". As an example, try > "zuiko 28mm site:lists.tako.de" > > Martin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry G. Griffin [mailto:lggriffin@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:32 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb > > Piers, > > I subscribed a half dozen computers ago. If I had a password it's lost. > I tried the three I might of used with no luck. > > Larry > > Piers Hemy wrote: > >> The email address/password combination is specific to you, Larry, and >> is to be found in the welcome message when you subscribed, subject >> 'Welcome to the "olympus" mailing list' >> >> Piers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry G. Griffin [mailto:lggriffin@earthlink.net] >> Sent: 08 January 2009 16:35 >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb >> >> --snip >> >> Could someone please tell me what the password is so I can search the >> archives? >> >> --snip >> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 19:41:50 2009 Received: (qmail 7994 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 18:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 18:41:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F2F4303B2 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:41:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0223D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95A919F2FF for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:41:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F206519F2DA for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:41:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50300 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LKzp8-0000Mc-EE for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:41:42 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:41:40 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor Thread-Index: AclxwL54/PVjF92zEd2YIAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 19:41:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496648ed129321591313764 That's a pretty cat. Reminds me of one that hung around the neighborhood I lived in in Santa Fe. No one knew who owned him or where he lived, but he was healthy and fat, so he wasn't a stray. The people in the neighborhood called him Hitler. Yes, Hitler. The cat somewhat resembled the Nazi leader...lol He was a white cat with black on the top of his head and a black spot under his nose, like Hitler's moustache. He actually answered to the name, and we tried to get him to change names to something less, well, racist. He refused to answer to any other name! People out there had been calling him Hitler for years. http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/oliver/ Here's photos of Hitler fighting with Oliver, a cat who belonged to the girl I was dating there. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/8/09 12:50 PM, "Jim Nichols" wrote: > This well-fed neighborhood cat visits our fenced back yard on most sunny days. > We haven't determined where it lives. Today, for the first time, I was able to > get it to approach me close enough for me to scratch its head. Still spooky, > posing it was not an option. I blew some highlights, but got a useful image. > > Oly E-510 with Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4, ISO 100, shot RAW and > post-processed in Elements 6.0. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Backyard+Visitor.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 19:47:19 2009 Received: (qmail 22546 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 18:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 18:47:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CE14303C6 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:47:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1478D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DC019F313 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:47:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0298819F31F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:47:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 4BFCF2850M for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:47:06 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:47:06 -0800 Message-ID: In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor Thread-Index: AclxwL54/PVjF92zEd2YIAAKlchBUgAAJ6JQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2009 18:47:06.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[80E751C0:01C971C1] Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 19:47:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49664a378361591313764 Chris Crawford http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/oliver/ Here's photos of Hitler fighting with Oliver, a cat who belonged to the girl I was dating there. Great sequence, and nice looking cats. Good stuff. Jim -- Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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Thanks for looking. Yes, cats are in a class by themselves when it comes to personnality. We have watched this one cross the street into the next block just before dark, but there are too many bushes and fences to be able to keep an eye on it as it makes its way home. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor > That's a pretty cat. Reminds me of one that hung around the neighborhood I > lived in in Santa Fe. No one knew who owned him or where he lived, but he > was healthy and fat, so he wasn't a stray. The people in the neighborhood > called him Hitler. Yes, Hitler. The cat somewhat resembled the Nazi > leader...lol He was a white cat with black on the top of his head and a > black spot under his nose, like Hitler's moustache. He actually answered > to > the name, and we tried to get him to change names to something less, well, > racist. He refused to answer to any other name! People out there had been > calling him Hitler for years. > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/oliver/ > > Here's photos of Hitler fighting with Oliver, a cat who belonged to the > girl > I was dating there. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > > On 1/8/09 12:50 PM, "Jim Nichols" wrote: > >> This well-fed neighborhood cat visits our fenced back yard on most sunny >> days. >> We haven't determined where it lives. Today, for the first time, I was >> able to >> get it to approach me close enough for me to scratch its head. Still >> spooky, >> posing it was not an option. I blew some highlights, but got a useful >> image. >> >> Oly E-510 with Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/1.4, ISO 100, shot RAW and >> post-processed in Elements 6.0. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Backyard+Visitor.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 19:59:33 2009 Received: (qmail 21684 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 18:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 18:59:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D216E4303D7 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52EAFD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4587634AC005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:59:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0783610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:59:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686B3461531 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:17:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4965F8C9.60609@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:59:23 +0000 References: <998532.35399.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4964CB50.2090405@blueyonder.co.uk> <4965C601.7050908@yahoo.co.uk> <1D3E500C702C44D99BF1E477E32B933B@your9ya3hf92n3> <4965F8C9.60609@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 19:59:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49664d15168121499373980 It's a good plan, Ian. My trouble will be finding time to do yet another Internet-based activity. However, I need to look through old photos from my parents and grandparents, so perhaps I will be able to help with Scotland. You will need some proof-reading of the English on your site, but that can happen in due course. Chris On 8 Jan 2009, at 12:59, swisspace wrote: > I did put Scotland in but somehow it got overwritten when I added > Ireland, I wasn't sure if there was an album limit set somewhere and > haven't managed to look at it again yet. > > Thanks for the link to the other site I didn't know it existed, I > think > I will continue with mine rather than support that one though as it > doesn't seem to have much momentum and I think my name is better :-). > > The problem is getting people to load pictures, once they are started > then people will come looking, unfortunately that involves effort form > people and that is where I see the problem lies. > > But you never know and maybe I can drum up enough interest to make > it a > usefull resource. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 20:17:19 2009 Received: (qmail 10683 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 19:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 19:17:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27D84303B4 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90378D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4451E34AC00D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:17:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A5C34AC009 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:17:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out0.tiscali.nl (smtp-out0.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:17:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LL0NQ-0006a5-Kl for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:17:08 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:17:03 +0100 Message-ID: References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> <49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 20:17:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966513f207557927319144 Beautiful pictures, Ling. Especially number 2, definitely my favorite. They urge me to try my 90/2 (one of the few OM Zuikos I have kept, together with the 50/2) and mount it on my E-400 very soon! Unfortunately we don't have flowers here at the moment, but rhyme and freezing fog will hopefully be suitable subjects... Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:46:46 -0500, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >For lovely images I find it hard to choose between 1, 2 and 4. And the >quality of 3 is probably something I'll never capture in my life. > >Chuck Norcutt > >siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: >> On Jan 8, 2009, at 7:34 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: >> >>> My first day with a FF digital body: >>> >>> http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 >>> >> >> The 2nd image, red leaves (?) is particularly striking and my >> favourite of the entire set! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 20:26:00 2009 Received: (qmail 29564 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 19:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 19:25:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31ED34303E0 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC82D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681DF34AC009 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:25:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8644134AC005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:25:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29322 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 19:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 19:25:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4966533C.9070506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:25:48 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49662B3B.7050604@earthlink.net> <4966301D.2050702@chucknorcutt.com> <4966367F.5020508@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4966367F.5020508@earthlink.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090108-0, 01/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 20:26:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49665348279951073733319 Your typing fingers are totally exonerated. I guess this must mean that by the time we get to 2 TB cards our cameras will be producing 60MP images. Ooops! Doesn't sound so far wrong now. :-) Chuck Norcutt Larry G. Griffin wrote: > Here;s the link to the article from Information Week; > > http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/01/ces_2009_sd_car.html > > According to the article > "To put things in perspective, a 2 TB SDXC memory card can store 100 HD > movies, 60 hours of HD recordings, or 17,000 high-quality photos." > > Larry > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> It will be interesting to know what the spec is for the file system. If >> it's FAT32 and very large it will probably be OK as long as you're >> accessing the card sequentially. But if you do intermediate deletions I >> would think it could get very slow. I hope they've picked a better file >> system. >> >> Incidentally, I think you may have dropped a zero from your capacity >> statement. By my calculations 2TB is enough to store about 150,000 >> Canon 5D raw files at 13MB each. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Larry G. Griffin wrote: >> >>> Howdy All, >>> >>> Long time Lurker here. Thought I'd post this for all that are running >>> out of room on their 32Gb cards. >>> >>> SD Card Association sets spec for 2 Terabyte Memory cards >>> No, that's not a typo. 32 Gigabyte microSD cards are barely available >>> yet and the SD Card Association today introduced SD eXtended Capacity. >>> SDXC will be able to fit up to 2 /terabytes/ of data onto a small memory >>> card. To put things in perspective, a 2TB SDXC memory card can store 100 >>> HD movies, 60 hours of HD recordings or 17,000 high-quality photos. >>> >>> Could someone please tell me what the password is so I can search the >>> archives? >>> >>> I've just acquired a E-300, and have too many questions. I too will be >>> thinning out my OMs. >>> >>> Larry >>> Gateway to Yosemite, CA >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 20:31:14 2009 Received: (qmail 28922 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 19:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 19:31:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D4A4303BC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E03D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:31:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49E83610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:31:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AFE34AC005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:31:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:31:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LL0au-0004Tv-BS for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:31:04 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:31:00 +0100 Message-ID: References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> <49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 20:31:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49665482281225368819438 Of course I meant rime (instead of rhyme). But probably the right term for it is hoar frost or white frost. Frank. Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:17:03 +0100, Frank van Lindert wrote: >Beautiful pictures, Ling. Especially number 2, definitely my favorite. > >They urge me to try my 90/2 (one of the few OM Zuikos I have kept, >together with the 50/2) and mount it on my E-400 very soon! >Unfortunately we don't have flowers here at the moment, but rhyme and >freezing fog will hopefully be suitable subjects... > >Frank van Lindert >Utrecht NL > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 21:05:47 2009 Received: (qmail 25174 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 20:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 20:05:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB05D4303B1 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE510D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:05:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3BC19F542 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:05:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.496 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.496 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8ECD19F52E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:05:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.snap.net.nz (vasilli.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.16]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3D83DB4A9; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:02:08 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:02:08 +1300 From: To: Olympus group posting Message-ID: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> X-Sender: bj@caverock.net.nz X-Username: bj@caverock.net.nz Received: from 210-54-198-96.dialup.xtra.co.nz [210.54.198.96] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:02:08 +1300 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1-rc2 Subject: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 21:05:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49665c9b275309117217770 Chuck asked what aperture was used for this shot. As far as I recall, f/11. I also experimented with f/3.5 for some of this series of shots as well as other perspectives, and also used the Z 100/2 lens, which will work as close as 70 cm. >One shot to illustrate why I like this commbination. Apologies if you have seen it before. >http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=266641&l=9b097&id=1027725807 >Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 21:54:20 2009 Received: (qmail 9152 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 20:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 20:54:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118F74303AC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696DED0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:54:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1AE19F6B8 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:54:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8795B19F6B6 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:54:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:54:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2815117and.35 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.78.10 with SMTP id a10mr10332599wfb.270.1231448052075; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:54:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:54:12 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 21:54:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496667fc277731234514069 Brian, When I tested my Zuikos with the E-1 several years ago, I thought the 50/3.5 was the most natural and easy to use and among the most pleasing in terms of the final result. Joel W. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 2:02 PM, wrote: > Chuck asked what aperture was used for this shot. > > As far as I recall, f/11. I also experimented with f/3.5 for some of this > series of shots as well as other perspectives, and also used the Z 100/2 > lens, which will work as close as 70 cm. > > >>One shot to illustrate why I like this commbination. Apologies if you have > seen it before. > >>http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=266641&l=9b097&id=1027725807 > >>Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 21:56:01 2009 Received: (qmail 31231 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 20:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 20:56:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56ED74303DC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108D7D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36A119F6D8 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:55:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A5119F6C5 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:55:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.189]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:55:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k57so5464104rnd.13 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:55:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.1.12 with SMTP id d12mr10341249wfi.189.1231448153923; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:55:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.207.5 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:55:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0901081255r3838c20uf433784bfa216e16@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:55:53 -0800 From: "Richard Man" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 21:56:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966686117123675314703 It's nice to see the 90/2 used "properly." :-) On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:34 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > My first day with a FF digital body: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 > > Nighttime handheld is fun: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 > > Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 mirror. > > C.H.Ling > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // b: http://rfman.wordpress.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 22:06:08 2009 Received: (qmail 20349 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 21:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:06:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B654C4303E5 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3F0D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237FC19F73B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:06:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E66119F72A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:06:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:06:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so3162520ywa.80 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:06:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.174.18 with SMTP id w18mr10335635wfe.163.1231448759481; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:05:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901081305n7a541636k1f2c5ef43398ef38@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:05:59 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0901081255r3838c20uf433784bfa216e16@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <7ac27f4f0901081255r3838c20uf433784bfa216e16@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 22:06:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49666ac0177251234514069 Ouch. I hope I'm on your filter-to-trash list... Joel W. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Richard Man wrote: > It's nice to see the 90/2 used "properly." :-) > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:34 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > >> My first day with a FF digital body: >> >> http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 >> >> Nighttime handheld is fun: >> >> http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 >> >> Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 mirror. >> >> C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 22:09:24 2009 Received: (qmail 1376 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 21:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:09:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC3E4303F0 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:09:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CC4D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A6634AC016 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:09:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C368B34AC013 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:09:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:09:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n08L9F4l007411 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:09:16 +1100 Message-Id: <200901082109.n08L9F4l007411@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:09:15 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:09:15 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 22:09:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49666b84267491234514069 > Darin wrote: > > > Wayne Harridge > > > > Yes, I suspect they are metric. > > > The threads are M6 X 1. If you're not familiar with metric threads, > thats > 6mm diameter and 1 full thread per millimeter. I point this out because, > > unlike US Standard threads which count threads per inch, metric treads > are > designated by how many millimeters per full thread. So, where a finer > thread > would result in the TPI being a larger number in US Standard, with > metrics > the finer thread is indicated by a smaller number. For example, the > finer > 6mm size is M6 X .75. > Thanks very much for checking that out Darin, I have a small m*n*lt* stage (it has a 1/4" screw at the moment) that I wanted to attach, so I'll get some M6x1 screws and give it a try. > > > > > I guess the section without the rack wouldn't matter too much, you'd > just > > need to avoid moving the standards over that section. I suspect that > it > > would be a weak point and something might break if both sections of > rail > > weren't adequately supported. > > > One other issue that comes to mind, is that you might have a problem > with > the two rails not being correctly orientated with one another. However, > this > could be solved simply by using a spacer, such as a thin washer, between > the > rails. The fun part would be figuring out just how thick this spacer > would > need to be. > > As far as it being a weak point, I would tend to agree. Though, on the > up > side, the threads appear to have been cut, rather than formed. This > means, > with the right equipment, one could easily drill and tap the holes > deeper to > allow for the use of a longer stud, thereby creating a stronger > connection. > Thanks, I'll pass on that for the moment ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 22:11:39 2009 Received: (qmail 15396 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 21:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:11:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821044303D2 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A57AD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:11:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8AF19F79E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:11:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D37719F78C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:11:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n08LBVix009271 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:11:32 +1100 Message-Id: <200901082111.n08LBVix009271@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:11:31 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:11:31 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 22:11:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49666c0b81491023412894 It looks like he'd need 2 tripods to keep it stable. ...Wayne > Darin wrote: > > Wow! That's quite the set-up. > > Darin > > Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > > This is what I remembered: > > > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/img154-a.jpg > > > > from Lefkowitz "The Manual of Close-Up Photography". > > > > ...Wayne > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 22:15:59 2009 Received: (qmail 1144 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 21:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:15:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA074303E4 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D293AD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B7834AC016 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:15:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E078034AC00D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:15:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n08LFo5V025135 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:15:51 +1100 Message-Id: <200901082115.n08LFo5V025135@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:15:50 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:15:50 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Picturepedia - ideas and help needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 22:15:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49666d0f52111073733319 > James R wrote: > > One other thought I had was having some way of moving backwards and > forwards in time for a given location. Of course your mass would need > to have gone a long way past critical for that to become a big issue. > That's what I was thinking too, locate the area with Google whatever, then just move the slider back the number of years you want. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 22:25:09 2009 Received: (qmail 9919 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 21:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:25:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FA84303C9 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB4FD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:25:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A9F34AC005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:25:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E176F34AC00D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:25:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n08LOxC9006080 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:25:00 +1100 Message-Id: <200901082125.n08LOxC9006080@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:24:59 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:24:59 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 22:25:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49666f35207131529615919 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > > If all of this is true there must exist a later version of the bellows > user's manual describing modifications made to the later model which > must include: a separate green scale for the 80mm auto, filter threads > on the inside of both mounting boards and provision for removing the > bellows from the body mounting board as well as the lens board. Anybody > > got one of these? > >From your description mine is exactly the same as yours (bellows can't be removed from the rear standard, no green lettering). ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 22:31:40 2009 Received: (qmail 27056 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 21:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:31:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987BC4303CC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D05D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3500134AC009 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:31:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5895034AC005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:31:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n08LVU8K030102 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:31:30 +1100 Message-Id: <200901082131.n08LVU8K030102@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:31:30 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:31:30 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 22:31:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496670bc140911823421471 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > You're right. It won't fit if what you're talking about is a US ten > cent piece. US dimes are 18mm in diameter. The 510's sensor is only > 13mm on the short side, 17.3mm on the long side. > I was just guessing really, the Oz 10 cent piece is 23mm diameter, our 5 cent piece is 20mm and that's the smallest denomination coin we have now. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 22:37:00 2009 Received: (qmail 5646 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 21:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:36:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CA34303DC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F30D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B480E3610005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:36:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5033610004 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:36:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f15.google.com (mail-bw0-f15.google.com [209.85.218.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so116158bwz.14 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.175.9 with SMTP id c9mr8938744mup.3.1231450570167; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.40.8 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:36:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:36:10 +0100 From: "iwert bernakiewicz" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 22:37:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496671fc133711073733319 Hello CH! funny... I just treated myself on a OM-5D mk I. There was a very good local offer yesterday evening I couldn't pass on. Today was my first day and I mounted the 40mm F2 as well. Weather conditions here are quite opposite however. (yesterday night we had -20,9 celcius). Light is also scarse outside of working hours :). Here some images from me waiting on the train which was late due to cold for 20 minutes... all wide open and I have to say the 40mm does not dissappoint me. < http://picasaweb.google.com/zuikooh/5D40f2?authkey=S7tooLmRHEE&pli=1&gsessionid=bYNO_wNBu8h-AXtVtp3bwg&feat=directlink > for me the church with open windows is my favourite! 2009/1/8 C.H.Ling > My first day with a FF digital body: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 > > Nighttime handheld is fun: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 > > Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 mirror. > > C.H.Ling > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 22:37:57 2009 Received: (qmail 10343 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 21:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:37:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64ED4303D6 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34372D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:37:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF9119F885 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:37:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA2119F865 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:37:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 57180 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2009 21:37:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DVV6picVM1nmU0dCPKW5iaOldXfjTajkmhpD2eCGfN0mPQR7tCOq15t_0rTtsi18xNneHz1KIHcB0a9HkJJCYuTapyNFZe4koQDy09t0xvnjVak9lw60MxnI7itRLwpDRbdewE4odkIbkt6EBzos449kGrobNFS0OhUbUOITvYCgRsYbHJ3KJEnmu.4oBefudmnKzjNHRruXUBOh3Icg6W3r8wiuZQQ3 Received: from [92.237.110.50] by web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:37:43 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <000001c97148$17853680$6400a8c0@SpongeBob> <4965FD89.8060504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:37:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Wood To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <89993.57134.qm@web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 22:37:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49667235191791823421471 Answering Chuck's questions: The information about a bellows rail marked in green for an 80mm auto macro= came from a list member, but I can't remember who. Not all front standards are exactly the same - both of mine have circular r= ings perhaps to cut reflections, but they are not a continuous thread. Thank you very much for posting Phillip's message.=A0 I must have missed th= at while off list on holiday.=A0 I will update the information on my page a= bout the Auto Bellows. I am not sure that you are correct about Series filters not being threaded.= =A0 I have a zoom closeup lens with a Series VII thread, and a step-up adap= ter marked SER-VII 49mm.=A0 The Series VII seems to be about 54mm thread. =A0-- = Alan Wood http://www.alanwood.net (Unicode, special characters, pesticide names) = ----- Original Message ---- > From: Chuck Norcutt > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Sent: Thursday, 8 January, 2009 13:20:09 > Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions =A0 > But there are supposedly two versions of the bellows according to Woods. = > =A0 The later version has green markings (in addition to the white and = > orange of the earlier one) for the auto diaphragm version of the 80mm = > bellows lens.=A0 I'm not sure where this info comes from either since = > there is no such mention of using green markings on the bellows in the = > 80mm auto user's manual. > = > If all of this is true there must exist a later version of the bellows = > user's manual describing modifications made to the later model which = > must include:=A0 a separate green scale for the 80mm auto, filter threads = > on the inside of both mounting boards and provision for removing the = > bellows from the body mounting board as well as the lens board.=A0 Anybod= y = > got one of these? > = > Before sending I decided to check my notes on the bellows and discovered = > this from Phillip Franklin dating from March of 2000.=A0 This may be the = > source of the data in the eSIF.=A0 Note that only the front is mentioned. > ------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:41:49 -0800 > From: Phillip Franklin = > Subject: [OM] [OM} Bellow Reversed Front Standard is Series 6 thread > = > Hans & everyone else interested, > = > I just tested it out.=A0 That front standard reversed uses a Series 6 = > thread.=A0 So with a Series 6 to 49mm or 52mm step up ring it should make = > it easy to attach the Ring Flash or any other filter type attachment to = > the bellows with the lens reversed.=A0 Also by doing this it will protect = > the back element from a possible scratch when getting close with macro. = > I even found a Series 6 polaring filter in my stash of stuff from using = > a Mamyia Universal 6x9 camera.=A0 I do have some Series 6 filters but non= e = > with the step up to 49mm or 52mm, however they should not be hard to find. > = > Wow, I've finally made a concrete contribution as opposed to general = > opinions. > = > Phillip Franklin > --------------------------------------------------------- > = > But I find this a bit confusing.=A0 Series filters are not threaded.=A0 T= he = > only threads are on adapter rings (series 6 to specific lens thread) and = > retaining rings to hold the drop-in filter into the adapter.=A0 But these = > may optionally have additional threads in the front so perhaps what = > Phillip is talking about is a Series VI retaining ring with a 49mm = > step-up on the front.=A0 B&H still sells some series accessories but not = > what Philip mentions. > = > = > Chuck Norcutt > = > = > Jay Drew wrote: > > > > = > > But I did learn that (according to the MIR site) that the boards are th= readed > > for Series VI filters.=A0 I don't have that filter (and why wouldn't th= ey use = > 49mm > > filter thread?) - so I can't verify that tidbit of information.=A0 I se= e ridges > > but I couldn't say for certain that they are threads or just ridges to = knock > > down reflected light. > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 22:38:31 2009 Received: (qmail 12333 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 21:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:38:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B124303B2 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E3FD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F8F3618001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:38:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC9D3610005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:38:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:38:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LL2a8-0003GJ-DN for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:38:24 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LL2a8-0005a6-1G for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:38:24 +0000 Message-ID: <49667264.7020503@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:38:44 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> <49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 22:38:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49667257131631823421471 Frank van Lindert wrote: > Of course I meant rime (instead of rhyme). But probably the right term > for it is hoar frost or white frost. > > Frank. > Hey, you're good, Frank! I tend to call the stuff in the garden 'hoar-frost', and the stuff encountered in the mountains 'rime', but that's just an acquired distinction, they refer to the same phenomenon. D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 22:43:02 2009 Received: (qmail 26305 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 21:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:43:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAD44303DF for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:43:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292D7D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC4719F8A3 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:42:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A5319F88C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:42:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n08LgrWP026277 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:42:53 +1100 Message-Id: <200901082142.n08LgrWP026277@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:42:52 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:42:52 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 22:43:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966736696941234514069 > C.H.Ling wrote: > > My first day with a FF digital body: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 > > Nighttime handheld is fun: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 > > Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 > mirror. > Very impressive set of images for your 1st day ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 22:47:41 2009 Received: (qmail 22550 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 21:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:47:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C094303F3 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:47:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075F1D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:47:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AF634AC021 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:47:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0887534AC018 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:47:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:47:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n08LlXJP029816 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:47:33 +1100 Message-Id: <200901082147.n08LlXJP029816@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:47:33 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:47:33 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 22:47:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966747d37301470116606 > Larry G. Griffin wrote: > > card. To put things in perspective, a 2TB SDXC memory card can store 100 > > HD movies, 60 hours of HD recordings or 17,000 high-quality photos. > Just one of those cards would probably be sufficient for a lifetime of images for many people ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 22:53:14 2009 Received: (qmail 8705 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 21:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:53:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1133A4303D3 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53755D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4244C19F8D0 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:53:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B81F19F8C6 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:53:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from blu0-omc3-s15.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s15.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.90]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU0-SMTP31 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:53:06 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [69.158.10.65] X-Originating-Email: [andrew.gullen@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: Received: from [69.158.10.65] ([69.158.10.65]) by BLU0-SMTP31.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:53:06 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: From: Andrew Gullen Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:52:10 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2009 21:53:06.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CD54D20:01C971DB] Subject: Re: [OM] Another photo of my grandpa, this time with his cat X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 22:53:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496675ca252371023412894 That's nice - you've caught the cat's body language. Your grandpa's too, but with the kindness to leave him out of focus. It's nice to think that touch and comfort may be among the last things to go. Andrew On Jan 7, 2009, at 20:04, Chris Crawford wrote: > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com > > See my latest post, grandpa and Molly > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 22:59:43 2009 Received: (qmail 26178 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 21:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 21:59:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CAD4303DE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DC0D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:59:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F0E19F8E9 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:59:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914BD19F8E7 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:59:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2826589and.35 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.228.13 with SMTP id a13mr13445712anh.110.1231451976583; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:59:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:59:36 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> <9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c8216c6e95178ec1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 22:59:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966774f313865368819438 > > When I tested my Zuikos with the E-1 several years ago, I thought the > 50/3.5 was the most natural and easy to use and among the most > pleasing in terms of the final result. > I agree. In fact, I'll say that the 50/3.5 has really grown on me for both the E-1 and OM system. The bokeh is pretty relaxed. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:18:37 2009 Received: (qmail 7033 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:18:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8088D43041E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640F9D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405F719F952 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:18:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B065519F959 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:18:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:18:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n08MIO9Y003156 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:18:24 +1100 Message-Id: <200901082218.n08MIO9Y003156@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:18:19 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:18:19 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0615584433==" Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:18:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49667bbd196021470116606 --===============0615584433== Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary > Alan Wood wrote: > > > I am not sure that you are correct about Series filters not being > threaded.  I have a zoom closeup lens with a Series VII thread, and a > step-up adapter marked SER-VII 49mm.  The Series VII seems to be about > 54mm thread. >  -- I think that the idea of the "Series" was (is) that you drop in an unmounted glass filter then screw on a retaining ring. There is no reason why you can't have a series threaded filter that just screws in. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com --===============0615584433== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ --===============0615584433==-- From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:20:14 2009 Received: (qmail 14939 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:20:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD824303F4 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:20:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE193D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A2319F95A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:20:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6197619F952 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:20:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:20:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31055 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 22:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 22:20:03 -0000 Message-ID: <49667C12.5030603@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:20:02 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <000001c97148$17853680$6400a8c0@SpongeBob> <4965FD89.8060504@chucknorcutt.com> <89993.57134.qm@web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <89993.57134.qm@web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090108-0, 01/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:20:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49667c1e97581234514069 Thanks, Alan. I could certainly be wrong about Series filters but the information I consulted before responding describes series filters as without threads. Originally they were designed to have a cell that would accept the filter and mounting threads on the back of the cell to match a particular camera's own threads. For example, for a 50mm Zuiko with 49mm threads you would have a Series VII cell with 49mm threads on the back. It would be called a step-up ring since a Series VII filter is 2" in diameter and (at 50.8mm) larger than 49mm. The filter would then be held into the cell by installing a Series VII retaining ring which has a 2-1/8" thread. The retaining ring in some cases might even have it's own front thread for attaching yet another filter. But that, I suppose, is how Kodak envisioned it. I'm sure there might have been many, many variants produced over the years. Including (as my link describes) the introduction of lenses that were directly threaded to Series sizes to avoid the need for an adapter. Chuck Norcutt Alan Wood wrote: > Answering Chuck's questions: > > The information about a bellows rail marked in green for an 80mm auto > macro came from a list member, but I can't remember who. > > Not all front standards are exactly the same - both of mine have > circular rings perhaps to cut reflections, but they are not a > continuous thread. > > Thank you very much for posting Phillip's message. I must have > missed that while off list on holiday. I will update the information > on my page about the Auto Bellows. > > I am not sure that you are correct about Series filters not being > threaded. I have a zoom closeup lens with a Series VII thread, and a > step-up adapter marked SER-VII 49mm. The Series VII seems to be > about 54mm thread. -- Alan Wood http://www.alanwood.net (Unicode, > special characters, pesticide names) > > > > ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Chuck Norcutt To: Olympus >> Camera Discussion Sent: Thursday, 8 >> January, 2009 13:20:09 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions > >> But there are supposedly two versions of the bellows according to >> Woods. The later version has green markings (in addition to the >> white and orange of the earlier one) for the auto diaphragm version >> of the 80mm bellows lens. I'm not sure where this info comes from >> either since there is no such mention of using green markings on >> the bellows in the 80mm auto user's manual. >> >> If all of this is true there must exist a later version of the >> bellows user's manual describing modifications made to the later >> model which must include: a separate green scale for the 80mm >> auto, filter threads on the inside of both mounting boards and >> provision for removing the bellows from the body mounting board as >> well as the lens board. Anybody got one of these? >> >> Before sending I decided to check my notes on the bellows and >> discovered this from Phillip Franklin dating from March of 2000. >> This may be the source of the data in the eSIF. Note that only the >> front is mentioned. >> ------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, >> 07 Mar 2000 12:41:49 -0800 From: Phillip Franklin Subject: [OM] >> [OM} Bellow Reversed Front Standard is Series 6 thread >> >> Hans & everyone else interested, >> >> I just tested it out. That front standard reversed uses a Series 6 >> thread. So with a Series 6 to 49mm or 52mm step up ring it should >> make it easy to attach the Ring Flash or any other filter type >> attachment to the bellows with the lens reversed. Also by doing >> this it will protect the back element from a possible scratch when >> getting close with macro. I even found a Series 6 polaring filter >> in my stash of stuff from using a Mamyia Universal 6x9 camera. I >> do have some Series 6 filters but none with the step up to 49mm or >> 52mm, however they should not be hard to find. >> >> Wow, I've finally made a concrete contribution as opposed to >> general opinions. >> >> Phillip Franklin >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> But I find this a bit confusing. Series filters are not threaded. >> The only threads are on adapter rings (series 6 to specific lens >> thread) and retaining rings to hold the drop-in filter into the >> adapter. But these may optionally have additional threads in the >> front so perhaps what Phillip is talking about is a Series VI >> retaining ring with a 49mm step-up on the front. B&H still sells >> some series accessories but not what Philip mentions. >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Jay Drew wrote: >>> >>> But I did learn that (according to the MIR site) that the boards >>> are threaded for Series VI filters. I don't have that filter >>> (and why wouldn't they use >> 49mm >>> filter thread?) - so I can't verify that tidbit of information. >>> I see ridges but I couldn't say for certain that they are threads >>> or just ridges to knock down reflected light. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:22:22 2009 Received: (qmail 9879 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:22:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410574303E1 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1EAD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:22:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7883610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:22:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDA234AC009 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:22:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:22:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090108222214.UFFG2036.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:22:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <0D25E6AD-BE33-48EB-A10C-B3C0C6B2DE72@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:22:12 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:22:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49667c9e821470116606 I rarely bother to follow links to flickr, but I did this time because I've always wanted to go to Ulaanbaatar. Unlikely that I ever will, but thanks for the photos. I particularly liked the Mongolian Secret History Tourist Camp. That sounds like something Tom Robbins might write a novel about. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Walters, Martin wrote: > In November, I spent several days in Ulaanbaatar, capital of Mongolia. > Early one very brisk morning, I took the OM around the main square. > > Some of the architecture clearly shows Soviet influence! Mongolians > generally use Cyrillic script, but not Russian. Mongolian script is > written vertically. > > Another day I visited a Canadian-operated gold mine a couple of hours > out of town. Lots of interesting sights, but little opportunity to > take > photos. > > I know the list has little affection for Flickr.... Anyway, some > photos > at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14675507@N08/sets/72157612245771533/ > > All OM-2N, Portra 400 NC, Costco scans. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:23:48 2009 Received: (qmail 19836 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:23:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5B24303C6 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F301D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:23:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2724434AC021 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:23:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7937B34AC018 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:23:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 675 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 22:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 22:23:40 -0000 Message-ID: <49667CEB.7090900@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:23:39 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200901082131.n08LVU8K030102@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200901082131.n08LVU8K030102@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090108-0, 01/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:23:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49667cf4190001744846740 So, the Oz pennies have gone the way of the Tasmanian Tiger? How does that work in practice? Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> You're right. It won't fit if what you're talking about is a US ten >> cent piece. US dimes are 18mm in diameter. The 510's sensor is only >> 13mm on the short side, 17.3mm on the long side. >> > > I was just guessing really, the Oz 10 cent piece is 23mm diameter, our 5 cent piece is 20mm and that's the smallest denomination coin we have now. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:24:04 2009 Received: (qmail 14858 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:24:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30C14303F1 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2323BD0404A for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:24:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49667d04192731529615919 Just cause they're hot doesn't mean they're worth your while. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Jan 7, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > It is funny how many scuzzy douchebag guys have hot girlfriends though -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:34:36 2009 Received: (qmail 25968 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:34:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5064303F1 for ; 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Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:34:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:34:20 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:34:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49667f7c216871946193717 He does look a little Hitleresque, in a Chaplin sort of way. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Jan 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > That's a pretty cat. Reminds me of one that hung around the > neighborhood I > lived in in Santa Fe. No one knew who owned him or where he lived, > but he > was healthy and fat, so he wasn't a stray. The people in the > neighborhood > called him Hitler. Yes, Hitler. The cat somewhat resembled the Nazi > leader...lol He was a white cat with black on the top of his head > and a > black spot under his nose, like Hitler's moustache. He actually > answered to > the name, and we tried to get him to change names to something > less, well, > racist. He refused to answer to any other name! People out there > had been > calling him Hitler for years. > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/oliver/ > > Here's photos of Hitler fighting with Oliver, a cat who belonged to > the girl > I was dating there. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:35:33 2009 Received: (qmail 4286 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:35:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB754303BE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F526D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4141F34AC013 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:35:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E64F34AC025 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:35:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32419 invoked by uid 502); 8 Jan 2009 22:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.166.54) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 22:35:19 -0000 Message-ID: <49667FA0.70806@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:35:13 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49662B3B.7050604@earthlink.net> <496638AC.7060807@earthlink.net> <49664779.1020108@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <49664779.1020108@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:35:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49667fb572521585427447 Larry G. Griffin wrote: > Martin, > > Thank you, that works. > > Back to lurk mode till I'm done thinning. > I've heard Rogaine helps some folks. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:35:35 2009 Received: (qmail 15486 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:35:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4084303FD for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891C6D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA1634AC013 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:35:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBC234AC00D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:35:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-3cf86qn.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.244.27.87] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1LL3T8-0003PB-00 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:35:14 -0500 Message-ID: <49667F54.3040600@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:33:56 -0800 From: "Larry G. Griffin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081031 SeaMonkey/1.1.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200901082147.n08LlXJP029816@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200901082147.n08LlXJP029816@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:35:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49667fb7183557927319144 No, No, no, Two cards, one for backup. 8-] Larry Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> Larry G. Griffin wrote: >> >> card. To put things in perspective, a 2TB SDXC memory card can store 100 >> >> HD movies, 60 hours of HD recordings or 17,000 high-quality photos. >> >> > > Just one of those cards would probably be sufficient for a lifetime of images for many people ! > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:41:45 2009 Received: (qmail 16057 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:41:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B864303DD for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070DED0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C338434AC021 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:41:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44C734AC018 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:41:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl34.gs02.gridserver.com (cl34.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.43]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50340 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl34.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LL3ZJ-00068z-2h for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:41:37 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:41:35 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Nightclub photography Thread-Index: Aclx4kKPgQ+vtN3VEd2QVwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <0315598F-50EA-41B5-AB22-6D3B47868839@roadrunner.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:41:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49668129180751073733319 Oh I know that. Actually, I don't find any of the women on that website attractive. Too bony :)~ I like BIG girls, like this one: http://www.biggalslingerie.com/images/short/DI-S0822-2.jpg Problem is, girls like that usually have such low self-esteem that they don't want a man who treats them decently. :( -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/8/09 5:23 PM, "Bob Whitmire" wrote: > Just cause they're hot doesn't mean they're worth your while. > > --Bob Whitmire > "Art's just fart without the eff." > www.bwp33.com > > > > > On Jan 7, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > >> It is funny how many scuzzy douchebag guys have hot girlfriends though -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:42:21 2009 Received: (qmail 9848 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:42:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D974303BE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18494D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:42:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D28A34AC021 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:42:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6992734AC018 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:42:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl34.gs02.gridserver.com (cl34.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.43]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50341 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl34.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LL3Zu-0006pB-1d for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:42:14 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:42:12 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia Thread-Index: Aclx4licl1ptTN3VEd2QVwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <0D25E6AD-BE33-48EB-A10C-B3C0C6B2DE72@roadrunner.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:42:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966814d1629347015869 I noticed that sign for the secret history camp too. I wonder what's there? -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/8/09 5:22 PM, "Bob Whitmire" wrote: > I rarely bother to follow links to flickr, but I did this time > because I've always wanted to go to Ulaanbaatar. Unlikely that I ever > will, but thanks for the photos. I particularly liked the Mongolian > Secret History Tourist Camp. That sounds like something Tom Robbins > might write a novel about. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > > On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Walters, Martin wrote: > >> In November, I spent several days in Ulaanbaatar, capital of Mongolia. >> Early one very brisk morning, I took the OM around the main square. >> >> Some of the architecture clearly shows Soviet influence! Mongolians >> generally use Cyrillic script, but not Russian. Mongolian script is >> written vertically. >> >> Another day I visited a Canadian-operated gold mine a couple of hours >> out of town. Lots of interesting sights, but little opportunity to >> take >> photos. >> >> I know the list has little affection for Flickr.... Anyway, some >> photos >> at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14675507@N08/sets/72157612245771533/ >> >> All OM-2N, Portra 400 NC, Costco scans. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:44:41 2009 Received: (qmail 15175 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:44:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F45D4303D0 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC998D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB83D19F9BE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:44:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A1E19F9AE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:44:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:44:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5488 invoked by uid 502); 8 Jan 2009 22:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.205.146) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 22:44:32 -0000 Message-ID: <496681CE.7000209@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:44:30 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200901082147.n08LlXJP029816@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200901082147.n08LlXJP029816@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:44:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496681d9215389347015869 Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Larry G. Griffin wrote: >> >> card. To put things in perspective, a 2TB SDXC memory card can store 100 HD movies, 60 hours of HD recordings or 17,000 high-quality photos. >> >> > > Just one of those cards would probably be sufficient for a lifetime of images for many people ! > Not here. I maxed out a couple of 500GB drives and now have a 1.5TB along with one of the 500GBs to give some growth room. The problem isn't so much the digital camera files, although they continue to grow, but the scans of old film, which can be quite large, especially the MF. Fortunately, I have a limited number of those. As I go back in time, lower dpis are sufficient to capture all that's on the film, which will help. Nothing like scanning decades old film at 4000 dpi to highlight how much film improved over the years. Contemporary color neg film has detail that it takes a multiple pass scan on my scanner to bring out fully. Go back a few years to some slide film, and there's nothing there to benefit from more than 3200 dpi, and 2700 is really sufficient. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:46:43 2009 Received: (qmail 2878 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:46:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C2C4303E5 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67868D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A2F34AC021 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:46:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF38A34AC018 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:46:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6896 invoked by uid 502); 8 Jan 2009 22:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.205.146) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 22:46:35 -0000 Message-ID: <49668249.30908@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:46:33 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <392496.82790.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7ac27f4f0901071745p76798336n26510cedf8c60173@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0901071745p76798336n26510cedf8c60173@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Nightclub photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:46:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49668253201982070262475 Richard Man wrote: > Wow.... at first I thought it's that Ca*n plastic look, then so disappointed that he's shooting with Nik*n :-)!! > With enough skill and effort, one can screw up pretty much anything. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:52:50 2009 Received: (qmail 4489 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:52:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9537E4303FA for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52652D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C67234AC021 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:52:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8812134AC018 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:52:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl34.gs02.gridserver.com (cl34.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.43]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50432 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl34.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LL3k3-0007iy-Rx for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:52:44 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:52:41 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Another photo of my grandpa, this time with his cat Thread-Index: Aclx48+GDhwsEt3XEd2aoAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Another photo of my grandpa, this time with his cat X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:52:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496683c2195441744846740 One of the last things grandpa did before he died was reach over to put his hand on Molly's back. She was laying in the bed with him. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/8/09 4:52 PM, "Andrew Gullen" wrote: > That's nice - you've caught the cat's body language. Your grandpa's > too, but with the kindness to leave him out of focus. > > It's nice to think that touch and comfort may be among the last things > to go. > > Andrew > > On Jan 7, 2009, at 20:04, Chris Crawford wrote: > >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com >> >> See my latest post, grandpa and Molly >> >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Photography & Graphic Design >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:53:43 2009 Received: (qmail 22825 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:53:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FEE4303D9 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:53:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8755DD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664F034AC025 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:53:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834AC34AC021 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:53:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.235]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n08MrYxw009244 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:53:35 +1100 Message-Id: <200901082253.n08MrYxw009244@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:53:34 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:53:34 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:53:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496683f7186271869477228 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > So, the Oz pennies have gone the way of the Tasmanian Tiger? How does > that work in practice? > Yes, the 1c & 2c pieces have been gone for several (can't remember how many !) years. Most prices in shops are multiples of 5c, at the supermarket they just round the total to the nearest 5c. Stuff like gas bills are usually stated to 1c, then they generally get paid by cheque or electronically which isn't rounded. I presume if you pay your gas bill "over the counter" with cash it would be rounded too. I have a stash of 1c & 2c coins somewhere, I thought they might be useful as non-ferrous washers. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jan 8 23:54:00 2009 Received: (qmail 24152 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 22:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 22:53:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1DB4303D8 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:53:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F5FD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:53:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFA619F9D1 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:53:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4038B19F9CB for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:53:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:53:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-3cf86qn.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.244.27.87] helo=[10.0.0.4]) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1LL3l1-000138-00 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:53:43 -0500 Message-ID: <496683AB.3040600@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:52:27 -0800 From: "Larry G. Griffin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081031 SeaMonkey/1.1.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49662B3B.7050604@earthlink.net> <496638AC.7060807@earthlink.net> <49664779.1020108@earthlink.net> <49667FA0.70806@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49667FA0.70806@gmail.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jan 8 23:54:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49668408310011342116753 Actually for having one foot in the grave. I still have enough thinning hair THAT doesn't bother me. I've been watching the Mind series on PBS in the hopes I might remember where I put all the OM projects to thin. Larry Moose wrote: > Larry G. Griffin wrote: > >> Martin, >> >> Thank you, that works. >> >> Back to lurk mode till I'm done thinning. >> >> > > I've heard Rogaine helps some folks. > > Moose > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 00:02:28 2009 Received: (qmail 26225 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 23:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:02:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFEB4303E0 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E6AD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:02:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609CF19F9F3 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:02:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C442419F9EA for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:02:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15584 invoked by uid 502); 8 Jan 2009 23:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.205.146) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 23:02:18 -0000 Message-ID: <496685F8.7010308@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:02:16 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 00:02:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49668604111441838542571 Chris Crawford wrote: > I noticed that sign for the secret history camp too. I wonder what's there? > My bet - something dry, cold and windy in winter, and dry, hot, windy and dusty in summer. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 00:04:35 2009 Received: (qmail 20899 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 23:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:04:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92034303CA for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D68D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:04:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8943519F9F4 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:04:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CB819F9EB for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:04:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16753 invoked by uid 502); 8 Jan 2009 23:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.205.146) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 23:04:28 -0000 Message-ID: <4966867A.8060203@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:04:26 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 00:04:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966868370001744846740 Walters, Martin wrote: > I know the list has little affection for Flickr.... Anyway, some photos > at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14675507@N08/sets/72157612245771533/ > I'm not much for monumental buildings, but they are well photographed and give a sense of place. I quite like the images of the ad hoc prayer flag/stupa/whatever constructions. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 00:22:06 2009 Received: (qmail 1522 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 23:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:22:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8834303D3 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3653D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:21:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE1A19FB14 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:21:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A221019FAA6 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:21:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web26601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 90494 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2009 23:21:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NQdL.XMVM1k1BR8iQKzP5c03Pk2PTGXkRQPMsABapFXQ1hJwFv4RtZiHojYDFzO2JIVFrAolkVqp3Ze4IPJXE6PnV1UukrXBkWfg9RENEnXXn_D15lzr9PB90EJV7DFXnbyCOq6k.wTqThhKGsR9bWjIUQ6zAt2hsuLfT5fsy9Ens7h7YKLchcezottwBZAX7C2qJ.zQpXnGXMh4usBW9COfg3lsmFki Received: from [92.237.110.50] by web26601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:21:54 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <000001c97148$17853680$6400a8c0@SpongeBob> <4965FD89.8060504@chucknorcutt.com> <89993.57134.qm@web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <49667C12.5030603@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:21:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Wood To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <135866.90424.qm@web26601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 00:22:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49668a9e281949347015869 Chuck Thank you for the link on Series filters, and my apologies for doubting you. Now I am wondering why Olympus put a thread for a Series VI retaining ring = on some front standards of the Auto Bellows.=A0 A standard filter thread wo= uld make sense, but why a thread for a retaining ring when there is nothing= to hold the filters in place? =A0-- = Alan Wood http://www.alanwood.net (Unicode, special characters, pesticide names) = ----- Original Message ---- > From: Chuck Norcutt > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Sent: Thursday, 8 January, 2009 22:20:02 > Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions > = > Thanks, Alan.=A0 I could certainly be wrong about Series filters but the = > information I consulted before responding describes series filters as = > without threads.=A0 = > = > Originally they were designed to have a cell that would accept the = > filter and mounting threads on the back of the cell to match a = > particular camera's own threads.=A0 For example, for a 50mm Zuiko with = > 49mm threads you would have a Series VII cell with 49mm threads on the = > back.=A0 It would be called a step-up ring since a Series VII filter is 2= " = > in diameter and (at 50.8mm) larger than 49mm.=A0 The filter would then be = > held into the cell by installing a Series VII retaining ring which has a = > 2-1/8" thread.=A0 The retaining ring in some cases might even have it's = > own front thread for attaching yet another filter. > = > But that, I suppose, is how Kodak envisioned it.=A0 I'm sure there might = > have been many, many variants produced over the years.=A0 Including (as m= y = > link describes) the introduction of lenses that were directly threaded = > to Series sizes to avoid the need for an adapter. > = > Chuck Norcutt > = = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 00:40:51 2009 Received: (qmail 23188 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 23:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:40:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7DA4303EB for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1EAD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:40:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACED819FD58 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:40:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F4A19FCF5 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:40:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LL4UT-0005FF-Uu for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:40:41 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LL4UT-0006jG-Fs for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:40:41 +0000 Message-ID: <49668F0E.9070807@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:41:02 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Another photo of my grandpa, this time with his cat X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 00:40:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49668f0389261234514069 Andrew Gullen wrote: > That's nice - you've caught the cat's body language. Your grandpa's > too, but with the kindness to leave him out of focus. > > It's nice to think that touch and comfort may be among the last things > to go. > > Andrew > Animals (I have experience of several in this regard) are very electro-chemically sensitive. They KNOW. It can be very moving when you see it working. D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 00:41:19 2009 Received: (qmail 15097 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 23:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:41:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466AE4303E2 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFFED0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:41:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A7619FD85 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:41:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079A519FD58 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:41:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13756 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 23:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.131) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:41:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <200901082147.n08LlXJP029816@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200901082147.n08LlXJP029816@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-Id: <33768C20-E5CC-483F-BD01-31540C5E8EB9@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:40:58 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 00:41:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49668f1f305137350615338 Hmmm - Full Frame 21mp RAW or HiDef 1028p does tend to chew bytes. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/01/2009, at 8:47 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > Just one of those cards would probably be sufficient for a lifetime > of images for many people ! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 00:42:54 2009 Received: (qmail 32620 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 23:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:42:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0934303C3 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:42:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A35D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F1634AC002 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:42:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF55134AC018 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:42:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LL4WU-0006tS-Vx for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:42:47 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LL4WU-00034d-M6 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:42:46 +0000 Message-ID: <49668F8B.7060308@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:43:07 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200901082147.n08LlXJP029816@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> <33768C20-E5CC-483F-BD01-31540C5E8EB9@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <33768C20-E5CC-483F-BD01-31540C5E8EB9@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] New SD Memory card spec 2Tb X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 00:42:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49668f7e98757927319144 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Hmmm - Full Frame 21mp RAW or HiDef 1028p does tend to chew bytes. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > Har, Har! D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 00:44:15 2009 Received: (qmail 17546 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 23:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:44:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C69A4303E9 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155C9D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6B034AC021 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:44:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682D034AC018 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:44:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8290 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jan 2009 23:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jan 2009 23:44:05 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090108183307.022a0978@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:44:04 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 00:44:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49668fcf132201591313764 Nice sequence. We have a cat who roams our neighborhood, but never lets me get close. Problem in our neighborhood is that predators usually consume cats that roam the neighborhood. We have lost 4 cats. I know one was to a fox. The others were either from a fisher cat or coyotes. Our latest two cats, against my long history with cats, are relegated to indoors. my dude Zeus: http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/zeusey_MG_9273.jpg WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 00:45:28 2009 Received: (qmail 25606 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 23:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:45:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1814303CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EF9D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8345B19FD61 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:45:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9963219FDC4 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:45:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:45:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14166 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 23:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.131) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:45:19 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49667264.7020503@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> <49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> <49667264.7020503@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-Id: <5ACA37A4-7191-4BE8-B4F8-C62C1E504AEF@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:45:12 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 00:45:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49669018294218512572685 I thought that was when you got the cold shoulder in a house of ill- repute. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/01/2009, at 8:38 AM, Donald wrote: > I tend to call the stuff in the garden 'hoar-frost', and the stuff > encountered in the mountains 'rime', but that's just an acquired > distinction, they refer to the same phenomenon. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 00:48:09 2009 Received: (qmail 29929 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 23:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:48:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE27A4303E8 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:48:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C8ED0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:48:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA6E19FE68 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:48:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BF219FD61 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:48:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LL4bX-0006wn-JD for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:47:59 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LL4bX-0007Yt-7v for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:47:59 +0000 Message-ID: <496690C3.5070804@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:48:19 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> <49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> <49667264.7020503@blueyonder.co.uk> <5ACA37A4-7191-4BE8-B4F8-C62C1E504AEF@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <5ACA37A4-7191-4BE8-B4F8-C62C1E504AEF@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 00:48:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496690b9153641591313764 Andrew Fildes wrote: > I thought that was when you got the cold shoulder in a house of ill- > repute. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > Well, I have no personal experience, you understand, of such establishments, or their terminology... D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 00:48:48 2009 Received: (qmail 5789 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 23:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:48:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D180F4303CA for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60212D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423F634AC018 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:48:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400FC34AC00D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:48:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:48:41 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n08Nmbx4019432 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:48:40 GMT Message-ID: <75F2895994DF461A9089B39C0752892C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090108183307.022a0978@zuik.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:48:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 00:48:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496690e0286221702588592 Wayne, Now that is one happy cat. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "WayneS" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor > Nice sequence. > > We have a cat who roams our neighborhood, but never lets me get close. > > Problem in our neighborhood is that predators usually consume cats that > roam the neighborhood. We have lost 4 cats. I know one was to a fox. > The others were either from a fisher cat or coyotes. > > Our latest two cats, against my long history with cats, are relegated to > indoors. > > my dude Zeus: > http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/zeusey_MG_9273.jpg > > WayneS > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 00:50:34 2009 Received: (qmail 30540 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 23:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:50:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450A14303E2 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:50:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB83D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392D43610002 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:50:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DB93610004 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:50:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n08NoJ42028253 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:50:19 +1100 Message-Id: <200901082350.n08NoJ42028253@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:50:19 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:50:19 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1969345737==" Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 00:50:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966914a87902046811720 --===============1969345737== Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary > Alan Wood wrote: > > Now I am wondering why Olympus put a thread for a Series VI retaining > ring on some front standards of the Auto Bellows.  A standard filter > thread would make sense, but why a thread for a retaining ring when > there is nothing to hold the filters in place? >  -- Yes, 49mm in that situation would seem to make sense. The OD of the part that the bellows clamps onto would still be the correct size (since it will also clamp onto the front of a 49mm threaded OM lens). ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com --===============1969345737== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ --===============1969345737==-- From nilsf Fri Jan 9 00:58:24 2009 Received: (qmail 29296 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2009 23:58:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:58:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54484303D8 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:58:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765AED0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E1919FFDA for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:58:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBED19FFE0 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:58:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp114.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp114.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.230]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29811 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 23:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO arctic.dapoz.ca) (md@99.224.154.42 with plain) by smtp114.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 23:58:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aeHHwfcVM1nzEpdV9C0l16PNQDw_Ea5.BN0DMCodT6yAarHIf1UfGUdKkseL7bqaqQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <49669318.6070607@dementia.org> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:58:16 -0500 From: Mark Dapoz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <000001c97148$17853680$6400a8c0@SpongeBob> <4965FD89.8060504@chucknorcutt.com> <89993.57134.qm@web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <89993.57134.qm@web26602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 00:58:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966932076589117217770 Alan Wood said the following on 1/8/09 4:37 PM: > Answering Chuck's questions: > > The information about a bellows rail marked in green for an 80mm auto macro > came from a list member, but I can't remember who. I have a few of those rails, here's a photo of one: http://olympus.dementia.org/misc/bellows_rail.jpg I think I have some of the older ones without the green markings around as well but I couldn't find any right now. > Not all front standards are exactly the same - both of mine have circular > rings perhaps to cut reflections, but they are not a continuous thread. I'm not convinced they are threads but I did take a look under an inspection microscope at a couple of my bellows. The ridges are indeed cut as a continuous thread and they have a leading edge at the start. I've never seen this documented as a filter mount but since these bellows were outsourced by Olympus it's possible the vendor added the threads for some reason. I seem to remember that the Olympus bellows shared some parts with bellows from another manufacturer. One other thought, if they are indeed threads then why are they painted matte black instead of being anodized? Screwing in a filter will easily remove the black paint leaving behind a silver shinny surface. An anodized surface would withstand the use of a filter and continue to provide a dark surface which prevents reflection. I suspect Olympus never intended filters to be mounted using those threads. -mark -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 01:08:54 2009 Received: (qmail 6962 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 00:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 00:08:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D754303FD for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E134D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1976E34AC00D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:08:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDB934AC025 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:08:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50794 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LL4vb-0004Pk-Mg for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:08:44 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:08:41 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor Thread-Index: Aclx7m1/rBqPBd3hEd2WIwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090108183307.022a0978@zuik.net> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 01:08:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49669596307202336821329 Wow, I've never had a cat get eaten. Not much in Indiana that will tangle with a cat. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, has killed two rattlesnakes. When I lived in Santa Fe, people used to talk of cats being eaten by coyotes and one person I knew had a cat get eaten by a large owl. That woman had several horses and she kept complaining that her barn was full of mice and she couldn't seem to get rid of them. Noticing that she didn't have any cats, I suggested getting one to live in the barn. That's when she told me that her last cat got eaten by the owl that lives in a tree on her property. She says she saw the owl tear her cat apart while it was still alive! That traumatized her and she never got another cat. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/8/09 6:44 PM, "WayneS" wrote: > Nice sequence. > > We have a cat who roams our neighborhood, but never lets me get close. > > Problem in our neighborhood is that predators usually consume cats that > roam the neighborhood. We have lost 4 cats. I know one was to a fox. > The others were either from a fisher cat or coyotes. > > Our latest two cats, against my long history with cats, are relegated to > indoors. > > my dude Zeus: > http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/zeusey_MG_9273.jpg > > WayneS > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 01:27:38 2009 Received: (qmail 31981 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 00:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 00:27:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6464043041C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:27:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB6AD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910EE1A0034 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:27:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BE41A003D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:27:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n090ROYw013937 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:27:24 +1100 Message-Id: <200901090027.n090ROYw013937@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:27:24 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:27:24 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 01:27:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496699fa207311073733319 I would have thought the owl would clean up the mice too ! ...Wayne > Chris Crawford wrote: > > Wow, I've never had a cat get eaten. Not much in Indiana that will > tangle > with a cat. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, has killed two rattlesnakes. > When I > lived in Santa Fe, people used to talk of cats being eaten by coyotes > and > one person I knew had a cat get eaten by a large owl. That woman had > several > horses and she kept complaining that her barn was full of mice and she > couldn't seem to get rid of them. Noticing that she didn't have any > cats, I > suggested getting one to live in the barn. That's when she told me that > her > last cat got eaten by the owl that lives in a tree on her property. She > says > she saw the owl tear her cat apart while it was still alive! That > traumatized her and she never got another cat. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > > On 1/8/09 6:44 PM, "WayneS" wrote: > > > Nice sequence. > > > > We have a cat who roams our neighborhood, but never lets me get close. > > > > Problem in our neighborhood is that predators usually consume cats > that > > roam the neighborhood. We have lost 4 cats. I know one was to a fox. > > The others were either from a fisher cat or coyotes. > > > > Our latest two cats, against my long history with cats, are relegated > to > > indoors. > > > > my dude Zeus: > > http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/zeusey_MG_9273.jpg > > > > WayneS > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 01:44:01 2009 Received: (qmail 14281 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 00:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 00:43:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90FB4303E2 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293C4D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5D33610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:43:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C8634AC018 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:43:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3285 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 00:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 00:43:45 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090108185106.01116138@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:43:47 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <82B87E544BE34631BBAF86145F122C6F@main> References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <82B87E544BE34631BBAF86145F122C6F@main> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 01:44:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49669dd1227401585427447 My 1st take on C.H's image is that it is a distraction for most people. The issue is that the OOF foreground creates visual tension. In this case C.H. has framed the OOF in the lower left corner. As such it becomes an anchoring point for the frame, and balances with the more open right hand side. So overall, IMOP, this is a good image. The visual tension makes the image more dynamic and is probably not fully appreciated on first viewing. It asks for more participation from the viewer. I find that images take some time to determine if they are good or not. I call it the wall test. Put the images on the wall and remove them when you tire of viewing them. With this test images that at first react to is to bypass, yet over time keep pulling back the visual interest, determines if the photo is good or not. (This I learned from a fellow photographer. Not my original idea. Lifetime on the wall is the rating of the image.) If you like coming back and looking at an image you took over time, that gives it a better rating. Too often we are quick to judge an image negatively that incorporates elements of tension. Again, in C.H.'s case, there are other factors that make it work due to the framing, the anchoring in the corners, and open space to the right. So I agree, on second viewing, it works. On first reaction, it was not as much, so it takes some time to appreciate fully. Too often I find images that I am drawn back to others don't like. Judgement is quick. People react to motion blur, OOF elements, minimal DOF, etc. To compensate the image needs to be balanced in other ways - corner anchoring, framing, visual tension, juxtaposition of contrasts, subject, etc. As in interesting experiment, I took photos of my grand daughter during the holidays and showed them to family. 1 http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_gd1_MG_6133.jpg 2 http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_gd2_MG_6137.jpg Everyone preferred the second one over the first. They skipped over the first as if it was not worth viewing. Of course, family wants a clear view of the great grand daughter over the artistic interpretation. This shot, previously shown: http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_7711.jpg has both foreground and background OOF elements, and I personally like the effect, but is one of the very few of my images where foreground OOF works. The same will go for the lensbaby. For me the lensbaby effect is tiresome, and success depends on more than just the blurry effect. Again, I think that foreground OOF elements require extra compositional care, which I think C.H. has done well. He has probably shot thousands of such images, whereas most of us have not. I trust his instincts on this one. And it also depends on the viewers tolerance for visual tension in the image. Which takes time to determine. It is often the case that when we see an image outside our domain of experience, it is more impressive than if it is a shot we have thousands of ourselves. WayneS At 10:58 PM 1/7/2009, you wrote: >How does this one look? > >http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/180-04_F.jpg > >I don't use foreground OOF much as it is difficult to control but it is >certainly good when done properly. > >C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 01:44:02 2009 Received: (qmail 24997 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 00:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 00:44:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027114303D2 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9634CD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7FF34AC021 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:43:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C333934AC00C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:43:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3267 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 00:43:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 00:43:43 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090108184635.022969c0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:50:09 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <20090108105727.GL2082@the.earth.li> References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <20090108105727.GL2082@the.earth.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Some unmanaged Bokeh Re: More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 01:44:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49669dd287671234514069 I never really appreciated the lensbaby. Other than the fact it can be tilted, the rest just seems gimmicky. Perhaps I am missing something? But it does raise the question of value to OOF areas of an image. It seems that the issue is the visual tension created, and whether that is a desirable aspect of the image, or just a new trick. Wayne At 05:57 AM 1/8/2009, you wrote: >Or rather, a badly focused photo, taken using a lensbaby: > >http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl?dir=alans_wedding_december_2008&photo=alans_wedding_074.jpg&o=72 > >and another for good measure: > >http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/indiv.pl?dir=alans_wedding_december_2008&photo=alans_wedding_077.jpg&o=72 > >Admittedly drunken snapshots, but still a bit of fun. > >paddy \ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 01:50:15 2009 Received: (qmail 14419 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 00:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 00:50:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DF2430401 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F58DD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7E934AC018 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:50:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26E534AC00D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:50:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:50:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6047 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 00:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 00:50:04 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:50:08 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 01:50:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49669f47315451342116753 Very very nice. Oly missed the boat not enabling OM'ers the way a Can*n FF does. WayneS At 10:34 AM 1/8/2009, you wrote: >My first day with a FF digital body: > >http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 > >Nighttime handheld is fun: > >http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 02:03:31 2009 Received: (qmail 18661 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 01:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 01:03:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4077F4303E9 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:03:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45C2D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D853610002 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:03:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCCA34AC02D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:03:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:03:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10175 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 01:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090108-0, 01/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 02:03:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966a263278431869477228 No apologies required since I don't really know what I'm talking about. But perhaps we're barking up the wrong tree thinking of re-using our 49mm filters. If the thread is truly Series VI (and I think it could be because I measured it at 44.xx mm inside the thread) then the logical (and standard) arrangement for series filters would be a step-up ring from Series VI to Series VII. That was a common item of the day. But Series VI to 49mm might also have been readily available then even if not common. Still, it bothers me that the thread pitch seems extremely fine for a filter thread and it especially bothers me that this doesn't seem to be documented anywhere. Furthermore, while it might be convenient to have another filter mount ring for use with a reversed lens there's no reason you can't have your 49mm filters installed on the front of the lens even though the lens is reversed. The bellows connecting ring fits easily over my 49mm filters. Chuck Norcutt Alan Wood wrote: > Chuck > > Thank you for the link on Series filters, and my apologies for doubting you. > > Now I am wondering why Olympus put a thread for a Series VI retaining ring on some front standards of the Auto Bellows. A standard filter thread would make sense, but why a thread for a retaining ring when there is nothing to hold the filters in place? > -- > Alan Wood > http://www.alanwood.net (Unicode, special characters, pesticide names) > > > > ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Chuck Norcutt >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Sent: Thursday, 8 January, 2009 22:20:02 >> Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions >> >> Thanks, Alan. I could certainly be wrong about Series filters but the >> information I consulted before responding describes series filters as >> without threads. >> >> Originally they were designed to have a cell that would accept the >> filter and mounting threads on the back of the cell to match a >> particular camera's own threads. For example, for a 50mm Zuiko with >> 49mm threads you would have a Series VII cell with 49mm threads on the >> back. It would be called a step-up ring since a Series VII filter is 2" >> in diameter and (at 50.8mm) larger than 49mm. The filter would then be >> held into the cell by installing a Series VII retaining ring which has a >> 2-1/8" thread. The retaining ring in some cases might even have it's >> own front thread for attaching yet another filter. >> >> But that, I suppose, is how Kodak envisioned it. I'm sure there might >> have been many, many variants produced over the years. Including (as my >> link describes) the introduction of lenses that were directly threaded >> to Series sizes to avoid the need for an adapter. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 02:14:47 2009 Received: (qmail 32149 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 01:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 01:14:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31E14303DB for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:14:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D2AD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B97434AC02E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:14:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963F534AC02D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:14:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14481 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 01:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090108-0, 01/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 02:14:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966a507208837927319144 Great Horned Owl dinner menu, courtesy of Wikipedia ---------------------------------------------------- These birds hunt at night by waiting on a high perch and swooping down on prey. Prey is quite variable, but is predominantly small to medium-sized mammals such as rats, squirrels, mice, moles, voles, marmots, skunks, shrews, bats, weasels, gerbils and even porcupines. Locally, hares and rabbits can comprise a great majority of subsistence for Great Horned Owls. Birds comprise the other large portion of Great Horned Owl prey, with birds ranging in size from kinglets to Great Blue Herons being taken. Locally, waterbirds, especially coots and ducks, can be important prey; raptors up to the size of Snowy Owls are sometimes taken. Reptiles, amphibians, fish, crustaceans and even insects are occasional prey. Cannibalism has been recorded. ---------------------------------------------------- Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > Wow, I've never had a cat get eaten. Not much in Indiana that will tangle > with a cat. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, has killed two rattlesnakes. When I > lived in Santa Fe, people used to talk of cats being eaten by coyotes and > one person I knew had a cat get eaten by a large owl. That woman had several > horses and she kept complaining that her barn was full of mice and she > couldn't seem to get rid of them. Noticing that she didn't have any cats, I > suggested getting one to live in the barn. That's when she told me that her > last cat got eaten by the owl that lives in a tree on her property. She says > she saw the owl tear her cat apart while it was still alive! That > traumatized her and she never got another cat. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 02:18:58 2009 Received: (qmail 3834 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 01:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 01:18:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EAD4303D7 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04059D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:18:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D232C1A00CC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:18:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AC01A00BC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:18:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.bf0.426f77cb (37145) for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA037-5bb44966a5f416e; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:18:49 -0500 Received: from webmail-stg-d04 (webmail-stg-d04.sim.aol.com [205.188.162.25]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA023-5bb44966a5f416e; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:18:44 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:18:44 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 40994-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-stg-d04.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.25) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:18:44 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB400F5972EA6C-13A0-854@webmail-stg-d04.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 02:18:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966a602255071869477228 At the risk of sounding like a borken record, the longest macro lens in OM mount that goes 1:1 is the CV 125. It has a focusing helicoid and is not strictly IF but has some floating elements. I don't know if the effective fl is lower at higher mag but I wouldn't be surprised. Dean uses the Tam 60-300 on an autotube with success but the macro setting of that lens is at the shorter end IIRC. I have seen and taken a few macro shots where the OOF elements provided an attractive wash of color when shooting through flowers---an occasional one has "worked." Many resulted in OOF blobs and the response was "ugh." So I think it can work on occassion. Non-macro---probably less frequently. Mike One of my complaints with the Olympus systems is the lack of a long focal length macro lens, which really helps control the background as well as give working distance. It was probably my number 2 or 3 reason to switch systems. And I don't think that a 100mm macro on a 4/3rds system is equivalent to 200mm on FF, as the working distance is not improved. (Correct me if I'm wrong). Granted, with internal focus, 1:1 with the Can*n 180mm is more like 135mm. Going for Bokeh is important, since rarely do we photograph flat scenes (except at infinity). I did a lot of experiments with the OM 180/2 lens and extension and tele-converters to create such a macro. In the end, it was not practical as there was too much leverage on the setup. One thing I have noticed in the photos posted, mine and others, is that foreground OOF elements are often a distraction, in even the best of shots. I have few of my shots where I find it OK. I'm curious what others think? WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 02:19:15 2009 Received: (qmail 32466 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 01:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 01:19:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DE04303D2 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD6DD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5B81A00CC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:18:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FC51A00BC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:18:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp117.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp117.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.233]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:18:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 86002 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 01:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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The camps tend to be white gers (felt-lined tents, yurt in Russian) - and geared to foreign tourists. Many Mongolians still live in gers and there are ger sections in Ulaanbaatar . Well, it was below freezing in early November. There was snow on some of the high(er) ground. Climate is very dry, so the cold was quite bearable in the bright sun. I suspect that summer is along the lines you mention. However, while the terrain is brown in winter, it is largely grass covered and would be green in summer. Dusty it might be, but it's not the Gobi. Martin Moose wrote: > Chris Crawford wrote: >> I noticed that sign for the secret history camp too. I wonder what's there? >> > My bet - something dry, cold and windy in winter, and dry, hot, windy > and dusty in summer. :-) > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 02:23:42 2009 Received: (qmail 26571 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 01:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 01:23:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECC94303FC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01EAD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0593610002 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:23:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A303610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:23:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:23:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31866 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 01:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.131) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 01:23:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <042A1AE0-AD38-4E7F-9F06-2E6FCB576990@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:23:24 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 02:23:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966a71e123534673671140 Impressive. We have a diurnal owl, the Powerful Owl, which is capable of taking a cat - it's usual diet is possums - but it's so rare now that it's unlikely to happen. An ex-student of mine is doing her doctorate on them. It's reasonable when the native wildlife occasionally strikes back at invasive exotics and ferals. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/01/2009, at 11:08 AM, Chris Crawford wrote: > Noticing that she didn't have any cats, I > suggested getting one to live in the barn. That's when she told me > that her > last cat got eaten by the owl that lives in a tree on her property. > She says > she saw the owl tear her cat apart while it was still alive! That > traumatized her and she never got another cat. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 02:24:08 2009 Received: (qmail 23654 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 01:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 01:24:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131A54303DE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9DED0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03BE34AC02E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:24:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C694034AC02C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:24:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp110.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp110.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:24:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 79092 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 01:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mwalters@99.241.188.157 with plain) by smtp110.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 01:24:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 96SRT0EVM1ky1LfRIFF9_fpa1h7KtYL06wt.b8Gj7cOCnqSzWYVGT2HuPTRRWXbalw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4966A72F.3030307@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:23:59 -0500 From: Martin Walters User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4966867A.8060203@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4966867A.8060203@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 02:24:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966a738194361499373980 There was much more to see in UB, and in the countryside. However, time didn't allow anything more. The pictures were taken on a walk-around the morning I departed, so there was no opportunity to go back. As far as the "whatever constructions" are concerned, the ritual seems to be to pick up several small stones and deposit them on the pile while walking round. This I did, to ensure we had a safe return to UB. Never discovered if "prayers" were involved, or the casting ritual was sufficient. Martin Moose wrote: > Walters, Martin wrote: >> I know the list has little affection for Flickr.... Anyway, some photos >> at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14675507@N08/sets/72157612245771533/ >> > > I'm not much for monumental buildings, but they are well photographed > and give a sense of place. I quite like the images of the ad hoc prayer > flag/stupa/whatever constructions. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 02:33:29 2009 Received: (qmail 31358 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 01:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 01:33:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE384303E5 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5483DD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F5D1A00F0 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:33:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617111A00EF for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:33:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp129.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp129.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.34]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 83581 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 01:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mwalters@99.241.188.157 with plain) by smtp129.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 01:33:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LJJKDCEVM1nV0y9267EosIYer7wiwWSeaWUXio3HecbwWYHKBmRecm1seMsOBydnhg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4966A95F.9030505@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:33:19 -0500 From: Martin Walters User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0D25E6AD-BE33-48EB-A10C-B3C0C6B2DE72@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <0D25E6AD-BE33-48EB-A10C-B3C0C6B2DE72@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Travelogue: Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 02:33:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966a96988711993019900 Bob: UB is a strange city. It has quite a "soviet" appearance, partly due to the two large generating plants that provide steam heat to many of the buildings. Otherwise the layout shows little sign of integrated urban planning. There are only a couple of tall buildings, though there's one taller one, somewhat avant-garde with one convex face under construction. The main square and environs is quite different and in much better condition than the rest of the city. I didn't get to see the museums, monasteries etc. I gather there's lots to see in the countryside, and a range of geography, which changes quite dramatically from winter to summer. It's also big sky country. I would like to go back for a longer visit. Martin Bob Whitmire wrote: > I rarely bother to follow links to flickr, but I did this time > because I've always wanted to go to Ulaanbaatar. Unlikely that I ever > will, but thanks for the photos. I particularly liked the Mongolian > Secret History Tourist Camp. That sounds like something Tom Robbins > might write a novel about. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > > On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Walters, Martin wrote: > >> In November, I spent several days in Ulaanbaatar, capital of Mongolia. >> Early one very brisk morning, I took the OM around the main square. >> >> Some of the architecture clearly shows Soviet influence! Mongolians >> generally use Cyrillic script, but not Russian. Mongolian script is >> written vertically. >> >> Another day I visited a Canadian-operated gold mine a couple of hours >> out of town. Lots of interesting sights, but little opportunity to >> take >> photos. >> >> I know the list has little affection for Flickr.... Anyway, some >> photos >> at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14675507@N08/sets/72157612245771533/ >> >> All OM-2N, Portra 400 NC, Costco scans. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 02:43:19 2009 Received: (qmail 26277 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 01:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 01:43:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC144303D9 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C37CD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:43:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B63534AC02C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:43:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B14334AC00F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:43:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 14 days 00:10:25 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-243.ctimail.com [61.93.57.243]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:43:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n091h8BJ007571 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:43:08 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n091h77L010403 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:43:08 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net><7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net><49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com><4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:43:01 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 02:43:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966abb7280334673671140 Hi John, It is Skh St John's Cathedral, near Court Of Final Appeal. The street is Wellington St, next to the Stanley St which we used to go for used camera gears. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth > Hello CH ... > > What is the name and location of the church seen in the daytime photos and > also the name and location of the oneway up hill street ? I think I > recognize both but can't work out any more details. > > jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 03:12:33 2009 Received: (qmail 11993 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 02:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 02:12:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32D6430402 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77B8D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9840D34AC02E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:12:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8C634AC030 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:12:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KD600CRCM4OBME1@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:12:24 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-30.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.30]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:19:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:12:20 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <0C4ED4D546214089A8E44013380F0C22@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: An4NAHtBZkkY3tge/2dsb2JhbACBZogzxTkGhW8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,236,1231128000"; d="scan'208";a="259371216" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 03:12:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966b291154071257536491 Hi CH : I deleted the last sentence before hitting the send button ................. "Wellington Street by chance?" I recognized the slope of the street and said "I've been up that street before". Actually I did a bit of cheating by looking up the 7 and 12 bus routes on the China Motor Bus web site and googled the Tsui Wah Restaurant as well ! My wife and I attended St Johns Cathedral on what was Garden Road [and maybe still is] just up the road from the HK Hilton Hotel and down a bit and opposite the Peak Tram terminus. These images you keep posting of HK are giving me more of an urge than ever to book a return visit ! Any chances of some shots of Repulse Bay, Stanley and Shek-O ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth > Hi John, > > It is Skh St John's Cathedral, near Court Of Final Appeal. The street is > Wellington St, next to the Stanley St which we used to go for used camera > gears. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hudson" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:06 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth > > >> Hello CH ... >> >> What is the name and location of the church seen in the daytime photos >> and >> also the name and location of the oneway up hill street ? I think I >> recognize both but can't work out any more details. >> >> jh > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 03:13:25 2009 Received: (qmail 21803 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 02:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 02:13:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD51A430408 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D389D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:13:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9057934AC02C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:13:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E793F34AC00F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:13:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50772 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LL6sA-0003yC-3F for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:13:18 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:13:15 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: OM-3 Thread-Index: Aclx/9RZEv2zzN3zEd2dQAAKlchBUg== Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: [OM] OM-3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 03:13:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966b2c538971342116753 There's an OM-3 (not the Ti, the plain 3) for sale on Rangefinderforum for $425 with a Winder-2. I am trying hard not to spend any of my student aid on it :( -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 03:22:10 2009 Received: (qmail 3399 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 02:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 02:22:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1A84303F4 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21E1D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEED3610004 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:22:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040FA34AC02C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:22:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.172]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n092LvNH006903 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:21:57 +1100 Message-Id: <200901090221.n092LvNH006903@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:21:57 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:21:57 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 03:22:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966b4d2309961585427447 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > Still, it bothers me that the thread pitch seems extremely fine for a > filter thread and it especially bothers me that this doesn't seem to be > documented anywhere. > Series threads may be a finer pitch than the .75mm used for "normal" filters - anyone know for sure ? > Furthermore, while it might be convenient to have > another filter mount ring for use with a reversed lens there's no reason > > you can't have your 49mm filters installed on the front of the lens even > > though the lens is reversed. The bellows connecting ring fits easily > over my 49mm filters. > I suppose there might be some reason to have the filter at the other end of the lens, can't think what for though. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 03:23:42 2009 Received: (qmail 3697 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 02:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 02:23:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B104303E6 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFF9D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC181A015B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:23:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2021A014D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:23:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-120.ctimail.com [61.93.57.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n092NV95020560 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:23:31 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n092NU0q018416 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:23:31 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net><7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net><49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com><4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0901080922n2f53bfc1jb590e988d39052fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:23:29 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 03:23:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966b52d55789117217770 Thanks for looking Joel! With a 24 or 28mm focus can be done quite easily at F4, the longer one may be ok at F5.6. The 35-105 is very difficult to focus at the wide end due to long travel distance (focusing angle) but you can focus at the long end and pull back without changing the focus position. The viewfinder is bright enough at F8 for indoor and very good for F11 or even F16 outdoor. But focus must be done at F5.6 or wider (except the 500mm mirror of course :)). LV at F11 looks very nice and bright indoor much better than the E-520 (it refresh slowly). But I hesitate to use LV on the 5D Mark II, the first day I use already got two dust spots, may be it is also due to the long night exposure (I have made some 10-30 second exposure). The dust removal only removed one spot after a few trial, I have to blow it off after back home. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:34 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: >> My first day with a FF digital body: >> >> http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 >> >> Nighttime handheld is fun: >> >> http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 >> >> Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 mirror. > > Very nice. I envy you! > > Do you expect to shoot wide open or nearly wide open most of the time? > Is the viewfinder good/bright enough to allow you to shoot stopped > down to f8 or f11? Is LV helpful in those situations? > > Thanks, > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 03:25:38 2009 Received: (qmail 14369 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 02:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 02:25:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26704303E4 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:25:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA77CD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC7A34AC02F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:25:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3138534AC02C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:25:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.172]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n092PUgI005082 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:25:31 +1100 Message-Id: <200901090225.n092PUgI005082@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:25:30 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:25:30 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 03:25:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966b5a294121591313764 > usher99@aol.com wrote: > > At the risk of sounding like a borken record, the longest macro lens in > OM mount that goes 1:1 > is the CV 125. I thought it was the Zuiko 135/4.5, though to get to 1:1 you need to use the bellows or some tubes. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 03:32:31 2009 Received: (qmail 355 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 02:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 02:32:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62165430403 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:32:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EF4D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:32:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B763610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:32:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1486834AC02E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:32:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:32:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.172]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n092WNCx016536 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:32:23 +1100 Message-Id: <200901090232.n092WNCx016536@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:32:23 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:32:23 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 03:32:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966b73f137711823421471 Interesting CH, what about exposure compensation with the Zuikos ? ...Wayne > C.H.Ling wrote: > > Thanks for looking Joel! With a 24 or 28mm focus can be done quite > easily at > F4, the longer one may be ok at F5.6. The 35-105 is very difficult to > focus > at the wide end due to long travel distance (focusing angle) but you can > > focus at the long end and pull back without changing the focus position. > > The viewfinder is bright enough at F8 for indoor and very good for F11 > or > even F16 outdoor. But focus must be done at F5.6 or wider (except the > 500mm > mirror of course :)). > > LV at F11 looks very nice and bright indoor much better than the E-520 > (it > refresh slowly). But I hesitate to use LV on the 5D Mark II, the first > day I > use already got two dust spots, may be it is also due to the long night > exposure (I have made some 10-30 second exposure). The dust removal only > > removed one spot after a few trial, I have to blow it off after back > home. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Wilcox" > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:34 AM, C.H.Ling > wrote: > >> My first day with a FF digital body: > >> > >> http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 > >> > >> Nighttime handheld is fun: > >> > >> http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 > >> > >> Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 > mirror. > > > > Very nice. I envy you! > > > > Do you expect to shoot wide open or nearly wide open most of the time? > > Is the viewfinder good/bright enough to allow you to shoot stopped > > down to f8 or f11? Is LV helpful in those situations? > > > > Thanks, > > Joel W. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 03:50:04 2009 Received: (qmail 14139 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 02:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 02:50:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3BF430418 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C09D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:49:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961051A052B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:49:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA59A1A0527 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:49:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-021.ctimail.com [61.93.57.21]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n092ntsN023045 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:49:55 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n092ntms023496 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:49:55 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <200901090232.n092WNCx016536@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:49:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 03:50:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966bb5c135921744846740 For the daytime shots I have not made any compensation, but I mainly shot at F4 or wider. Just tried a few with the 50/3.5 at F8 it seems ok, no extra compensation required. I only shoot RAW, I believe the headroom is good enough even it is a little off. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" > Interesting CH, what about exposure compensation with the Zuikos ? > > ...Wayne > > >> C.H.Ling wrote: >> >> Thanks for looking Joel! With a 24 or 28mm focus can be done quite >> easily at >> F4, the longer one may be ok at F5.6. The 35-105 is very difficult to >> focus >> at the wide end due to long travel distance (focusing angle) but you can >> >> focus at the long end and pull back without changing the focus position. >> >> The viewfinder is bright enough at F8 for indoor and very good for F11 >> or >> even F16 outdoor. But focus must be done at F5.6 or wider (except the >> 500mm >> mirror of course :)). >> >> LV at F11 looks very nice and bright indoor much better than the E-520 >> (it >> refresh slowly). But I hesitate to use LV on the 5D Mark II, the first >> day I >> use already got two dust spots, may be it is also due to the long night >> exposure (I have made some 10-30 second exposure). The dust removal only >> >> removed one spot after a few trial, I have to blow it off after back >> home. >> >> C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 03:55:01 2009 Received: (qmail 16280 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 02:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 02:55:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A8D4303D7 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:55:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9D1D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C53634AC02F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:54:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7254734AC02E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:54:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-021.ctimail.com [61.93.57.21]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:54:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n092stUX023469 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:54:55 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n092ssIa024622 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:54:54 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <678F2044972B4AA4B98285AA396A4BF3@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <4966375B.6080103@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:54:52 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 03:55:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966bc8586691234514069 I will try later when I have done more tests, at the mean time if there is any question just let me know :-) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald" > Great stuff, Ling. I trust you'll be giving us your detailed impressions > of the camera in due course (not putting any pressure on you, or seeking > to burden you with work...;-))? > > D. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 04:24:49 2009 Received: (qmail 22066 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 03:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 03:24:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5794303F5 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167EAD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0B334AC00E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:24:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E7334AC02F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:24:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-068.ctimail.com [61.93.57.68]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:24:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n093OexF026298 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:24:40 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n093OeDX000781 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:24:40 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <5BBC09AB523242C181D4C12159674201@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net><7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net><49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com><4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:24:38 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 04:24:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966c381206917927319144 Wow! I love the train station shoots, the misty covered light is very nice! Here is also a little foggy with some sunlight, the distance scene is not clear even at night time. We do love snow but we can never see it here. Congratulations for the 5D, 40/2 is a great lens, it was an accident that Olympus made it at that cheap price (I believe it was below $100 in 1988). C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "iwert bernakiewicz" > Hello CH! > funny... I just treated myself on a OM-5D mk I. There was a very good > local > offer yesterday evening I couldn't pass on. > Today was my first day and I mounted the 40mm F2 as well. Weather > conditions > here are quite opposite however. > (yesterday night we had -20,9 celcius). Light is also scarse outside of > working hours :). > > Here some images from me waiting on the train which was late due to cold > for > 20 minutes... all wide open > and I have to say the 40mm does not dissappoint me. > > < > http://picasaweb.google.com/zuikooh/5D40f2?authkey=S7tooLmRHEE&pli=1&gsessionid=bYNO_wNBu8h-AXtVtp3bwg&feat=directlink >> > > for me the church with open windows is my favourite! > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 04:42:34 2009 Received: (qmail 20737 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 03:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 03:42:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3DC4303D7 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854CED0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:42:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E563610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:42:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA32634AC005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:42:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:42:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.bdc.3ed05a1c (34993) for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB016-5c4a4966c7993c4; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:42:25 -0500 Received: from webmail-stg-d04 (webmail-stg-d04.sim.aol.com [205.188.162.25]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA018-5c4a4966c7993c4; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:42:17 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:42:17 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 40994-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-stg-d04.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.25) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:42:17 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB402367342491-13A0-E4D@webmail-stg-d04.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 04:42:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966c7aa313071823421471 I should more precisely have stated directly 1:1. The VF remains quite bright with CV 125 due to the aperture. It doesn't solely use extension to get to 1:1. Can't say I've ever seen any images with the 135 at higher mags---I usually put the 80 f4 on the autotube to get that---it is quite nice. With many more mm ext seems like the 135 would get to be a handful and difficult to keep stable in the field. Mike > At the risk of sounding like a borken record, the longest macro lens in > OM mount that goes 1:1 > is the CV 125. I thought it was the Zuiko 135/4.5, though to get to 1:1 you need to use the bellows or some tubes. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 04:44:55 2009 Received: (qmail 29938 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 03:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 03:44:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D992343040C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1B4D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1456B34AC02C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:44:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9FB34AC005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:44:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:44:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14038 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 03:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 03:44:47 -0000 Message-ID: <4966C82E.1070004@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:44:46 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200901090221.n092LvNH006903@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200901090221.n092LvNH006903@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090108-0, 01/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OM Bellows Questions X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 04:44:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966c837286861702588592 I did a rough measurement with a ruler and counted 4 threads in about 1-1/2 mm. That's 0.375 pitch. I think too fine. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> Still, it bothers me that the thread pitch seems extremely fine for a >> filter thread and it especially bothers me that this doesn't seem to be >> documented anywhere. >> > > Series threads may be a finer pitch than the .75mm used for "normal" filters - anyone know for sure ? > >> Furthermore, while it might be convenient to have >> another filter mount ring for use with a reversed lens there's no reason >> >> you can't have your 49mm filters installed on the front of the lens even >> >> though the lens is reversed. The bellows connecting ring fits easily >> over my 49mm filters. >> > > I suppose there might be some reason to have the filter at the other end of the lens, can't think what for though. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 04:49:00 2009 Received: (qmail 19843 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 03:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 03:48:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCA04303F5 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:48:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A568CD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F4B34AC005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:48:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B3034AC02E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:48:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15893 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 03:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090108-0, 01/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 04:49:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966c92c273561234514069 I have some snow. You can come and take as much as you like. Florida boy in New York Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Wow! I love the train station shoots, the misty covered light is very nice! > Here is also a little foggy with some sunlight, the distance scene is not > clear even at night time. We do love snow but we can never see it here. > > Congratulations for the 5D, 40/2 is a great lens, it was an accident that > Olympus made it at that cheap price (I believe it was below $100 in 1988). > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "iwert bernakiewicz" > >> Hello CH! >> funny... I just treated myself on a OM-5D mk I. There was a very good >> local >> offer yesterday evening I couldn't pass on. >> Today was my first day and I mounted the 40mm F2 as well. Weather >> conditions >> here are quite opposite however. >> (yesterday night we had -20,9 celcius). Light is also scarse outside of >> working hours :). >> >> Here some images from me waiting on the train which was late due to cold >> for >> 20 minutes... all wide open >> and I have to say the 40mm does not dissappoint me. >> >> < >> http://picasaweb.google.com/zuikooh/5D40f2?authkey=S7tooLmRHEE&pli=1&gsessionid=bYNO_wNBu8h-AXtVtp3bwg&feat=directlink >> for me the church with open windows is my favourite! >> >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 05:01:50 2009 Received: (qmail 23013 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 04:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 04:01:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F5C1C407EC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E90FD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:01:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F2F3610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:01:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4837B34AC005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:01:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 14 days 02:28:55 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-174.ctimail.com [61.93.57.174]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n0941c28015318 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:01:38 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n0941cjm014139 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:01:38 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net><7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net><49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com><4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <5BBC09AB523242C181D4C12159674201@main> <4966C924.1070908@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:01:34 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 05:01:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966cc2e288654673671140 Thanks for the offer, I will see when we will pass by to pick up some ;-) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" >I have some snow. You can come and take as much as you like. > > Florida boy in New York > Chuck Norcutt > > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Wow! I love the train station shoots, the misty covered light is very >> nice! >> Here is also a little foggy with some sunlight, the distance scene is not >> clear even at night time. We do love snow but we can never see it here. >> >> Congratulations for the 5D, 40/2 is a great lens, it was an accident that >> Olympus made it at that cheap price (I believe it was below $100 in >> 1988). >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "iwert bernakiewicz" >> >>> Hello CH! >>> funny... I just treated myself on a OM-5D mk I. There was a very good >>> local >>> offer yesterday evening I couldn't pass on. >>> Today was my first day and I mounted the 40mm F2 as well. Weather >>> conditions >>> here are quite opposite however. >>> (yesterday night we had -20,9 celcius). Light is also scarse outside of >>> working hours :). >>> >>> Here some images from me waiting on the train which was late due to cold >>> for >>> 20 minutes... all wide open >>> and I have to say the 40mm does not dissappoint me. >>> >>> < >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/zuikooh/5D40f2?authkey=S7tooLmRHEE&pli=1&gsessionid=bYNO_wNBu8h-AXtVtp3bwg&feat=directlink >>> for me the church with open windows is my favourite! >>> >>> >>> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 05:03:32 2009 Received: (qmail 13989 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 04:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 04:03:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8660643041B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:03:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0EBD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:03:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E576534AC02E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:03:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.496 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.496 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235EC34AC02C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:03:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.snap.net.nz (vasilli.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.16]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D1B3DA782; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:03:20 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:03:20 +1300 From: To: Olympus group posting Message-ID: <68c593fded957a07840ef95a256d3aee@snap.net.nz> X-Sender: bj@caverock.net.nz X-Username: bj@caverock.net.nz Received: from 210-54-197-156.dialup.xtra.co.nz [210.54.197.156] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:03:20 +1300 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1-rc2 Subject: [OM] (OM) Nykon digi to Olympus microscope. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 05:03:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966cc9481081499373980 Hi all, An old friend and one-time colleague works in the USDA Forest Service (CA) as a plant pathologist. He just sent me a query about fitting a Nykon digi camera to an Olympus microscope. I don't know the answer. Can anyone here help? Here's his query: > Quick question. My lab just acquired an Olympus stereoscopic microscope, > with attached close up lens. The lens is as expected an Olympus lens. It > appears to be a specialty lens made specifically for the scope. It has a > bayonet mount, and I have only Nikon and Cannon bodies. Can I obtain a > T-mount to tie the Oly scope to my Nikon Digital camera ? Scope was US > Gov't surplus and it cost my lab nothing. I have a hold on 3 other > microscopes and will go to look at them before accepting them. The first > one was ordered blind, along with fridge freezer. I removed the lens > and found out it is a 2x converter that fits into the body of the camera > at one end and the microscope at the other end. It has no way to mount > another lens in front of it. The scope has a secondary tube to which I > could mount my Nikon. I was hoping to use the Olympus tube because it has > f stop control and depth of focus is usually the limitation of these > machines. Cheers, Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 05:11:03 2009 Received: (qmail 24702 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 04:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 04:11:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2628A4303F0 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10D5D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD4B1A0614 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:10:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30A01A0632 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:10:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 14 days 02:38:09 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-174.ctimail.com [61.93.57.174]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n094AuX2017235 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:10:56 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n094AthY021395 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:10:55 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net><7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net><49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com><4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:10:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 05:11:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966ce57268222070262475 Thanks Wayne! Olympus never care about our OM users, they even try to push us away. At the beginning they didn't want to release the OM 4/3 adapter. Without any reason changed the size of the viewfinder eyepiece, making the varimagni finder not usable, while I can use it on the 10D. The viewfinder is also too small for manual focus, I never believe there is any technical reason since even the Pen F viewfinder is larger. What is worse was the AF issues, I had gave my full support to them, purchased the E-10, E-1 and E-3 almost once they were available (you know how expensive they were!) but all had focus issue, same for the recent E-520. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "WayneS" > Very very nice. > > Oly missed the boat not enabling OM'ers the way a Can*n FF does. > > WayneS > > At 10:34 AM 1/8/2009, you wrote: >>My first day with a FF digital body: >> >>http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 >> >>Nighttime handheld is fun: >> >>http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 05:17:05 2009 Received: (qmail 30076 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 04:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 04:17:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18179430410 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:17:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585E8D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A731A0639 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:17:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AEC1A063E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:17:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n094GwqM012939 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:16:58 +1100 Message-Id: <200901090416.n094GwqM012939@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:16:58 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:16:58 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 05:17:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966cfc1176051035110158 > usher99@aol.com wrote: > > I should more precisely have stated directly 1:1. The VF remains quite > bright with CV 125 due to the aperture. It doesn't solely use extension > to get to 1:1. Can't say I've ever seen any images with the 135 at > higher mags---I usually put the 80 f4 on the autotube to get that---it > is quite nice. With many more mm ext seems like the 135 would get to be > a handful and difficult to keep stable in the field. The 80/4 probably performs better at 1:1 than the 135/4.5 (though I haven't done any comparitive tests), the thing I like about the 135/4.5 is that it will focus to infinity on the bellows. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 05:19:28 2009 Received: (qmail 2474 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 04:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 04:19:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CF74303E3 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54178D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:19:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A541A0643 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:19:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927E11A0641 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:19:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 14 days 02:46:34 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-224.ctimail.com [61.93.57.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n094JL5L019146 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:19:21 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n094JKd5027485 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:19:20 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <3796A5634CE142F98EB830D03860EC7F@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu><49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:19:17 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 05:19:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966d050264271073733319 Thanks Frank, even people complain about the macro performance, the 90/2 is very good at lower mag and distance objects, my sample was better than my 100/2 for distance objects starting from F2.8, I will see how it compare at FF. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank van Lindert" > Beautiful pictures, Ling. Especially number 2, definitely my favorite. > > They urge me to try my 90/2 (one of the few OM Zuikos I have kept, > together with the 50/2) and mount it on my E-400 very soon! > Unfortunately we don't have flowers here at the moment, but rhyme and > freezing fog will hopefully be suitable subjects... > > Frank van Lindert > Utrecht NL > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 05:20:13 2009 Received: (qmail 26003 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 04:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 04:20:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214B5430422 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:20:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02C2D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20CD34AC02C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:20:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6655A34AC005 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:20:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1EMQ1b00q0lTkoCA5GL6kF; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:20:06 +0000 Received: from SpongeBob ([24.4.5.181]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1GKt1b00f3uLCT48QGL5ue; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:20:06 +0000 From: "Jay Drew" To: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:19:56 -0800 Message-ID: <000801c97211$8c052e10$6400a8c0@SpongeBob> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: [OM] Reversed Cine Lens (was OM Bellows) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 05:20:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966d07d70361234514069 Wayne raised the question as to what cine lens did I use (reversed) on my bellows (and extension tubes). It was basically choosing a cine lens that would provide an easy mounting scheme. What I wanted was a lens that had threaded ring that I would guess enabled a drop in filter to be inserted and then the ring screwed back in to hold that filter in place. My method of mounting was to take the female portion of a metal 49mm filter stack cap and make hole in the center of it that would accommodate the threaded male portion of the cine filter capture section. I then was able to screw the lens and filter holder together pinching the stack cap between the two pieces. I then use a 49mm reverse mount and screw the cine/stack cap onto it, and mount that onto the bellows/tubes what have you. I use a Wollensak Raptar 9mm, 6.5mm and a Wittnauer Chronostar at 13mm. The Wittnauer was 8 bucks at a surplus store. The 6.5mm is really difficult to deal with, the depth of field is just about nothing. The 13mm on my 65-116 tube was giving me a 9X magnification. Maybe Dean Hansen will pipe up, we traded notes once and he mentioned using an Elgeet 7mm reversed and getting 12x directly on the camera. I've got the distinct feeling he's gotten much higher quality shots than I have. The price is a lot cheaper than a 38mm or a 20mm, but you do lose the auto diaphragm and the quality is not superb. Lighting is tough. But it is cheap. I got the idea from John Shaw's book Closeups in Nature. Jay Hand me my costume Please won't you pass me my mask I have appointments I must keep with my past. Bill Nelson - Beauty Secrets -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 05:25:18 2009 Received: (qmail 23892 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 04:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 04:25:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13B54303DD for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DF9D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:25:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F4934AC01F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:25:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76AF34AC02E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:25:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.250]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so9213532rvb.50 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.237.20 with SMTP id k20mr10512604wfh.218.1231475106626; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:25:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901082025o67427b81pb13e386f80a18de2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:25:06 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090108185106.01116138@zuik.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <82B87E544BE34631BBAF86145F122C6F@main> <7.0.1.0.2.20090108185106.01116138@zuik.net> Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 05:25:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966d1ae233321591313764 I don't find that the OOF foreground of C.H.'s photo distracts because of OOF but because it is blown out in relation to the main part of the image. Like you, I also like the visual tension of it, but I think I would like it a lot more if it weren't getting the main light while the model is in the shadows. In the Bokeh TOPE from ages ago I tried a very shallow focus (f2.8) in order to isolate a bee between OOF patches: http://www.tope.nl/tope_show_entry.php?event=3&pic=13 I think it worked out OK because it doesn't compete with the rest of the image with respect to the lighting of the whole. As far as your examples go, they don't compare well with each other. One loves the joy, beauty, and straightforwardness of the second, and I presume it captures something of the essence of the girl (who is very adorable, I'm sure I don't need to tell you!). First one is utsy-futsy. You need to let bystanders tell you about that one. Family might beat you up if you futsify a grandchild unless there's a prize involved. But as a bystander, I find it interesting, and I'm glad to see it and enjoy looking at it. Joel W. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:43 PM, WayneS wrote: > My 1st take on C.H's image is that it is a distraction for most people. > The issue is that the OOF foreground creates visual tension. > In this case C.H. has framed the OOF in the lower left corner. As such > it becomes an anchoring point for the frame, and balances with > the more open right hand side. So overall, IMOP, this is a good > image. The visual tension makes the image more dynamic > and is probably not fully appreciated on first viewing. It asks > for more participation from the viewer. > > I find that images take some time to determine if they are good > or not. I call it the wall test. Put the images on the wall and > remove them when you tire of viewing them. With this test > images that at first react to is to bypass, yet over time keep pulling > back the visual interest, determines if the photo is good or not. > (This I learned from a fellow photographer. Not my original idea. > Lifetime on the wall is the rating of the image.) > > If you like coming back and looking at an image you took over > time, that gives it a better rating. Too often we are quick to judge > an image negatively that incorporates elements of tension. > > Again, in C.H.'s case, there are other factors that make it work > due to the framing, the anchoring in the corners, and open > space to the right. So I agree, on second viewing, it works. > On first reaction, it was not as much, so it takes some time > to appreciate fully. > > Too often I find images that I am drawn back to others don't like. > Judgement is quick. People react to motion blur, OOF elements, > minimal DOF, etc. To compensate the image needs to be balanced > in other ways - corner anchoring, framing, visual tension, > juxtaposition of contrasts, subject, etc. > > As in interesting experiment, I took photos of my grand daughter > during the holidays and showed them to family. > 1 http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_gd1_MG_6133.jpg > 2 http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_gd2_MG_6137.jpg > > Everyone preferred the second one over the first. They skipped over > the first as if it was not worth viewing. Of course, family wants a > clear view of the great grand daughter over the artistic interpretation. > > This shot, previously shown: http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_7711.jpg > has both foreground and background OOF elements, and I personally > like the effect, but is one of the very few of my images where foreground > OOF works. The same will go for the lensbaby. For me the lensbaby effect > is tiresome, and success depends on more than just the blurry effect. > > Again, I think that foreground OOF elements require extra compositional > care, which I think C.H. has done well. He has probably shot thousands of > such images, whereas most of us have not. I trust his instincts on this one. > And it also depends on the viewers tolerance for visual tension in the > image. Which takes time to determine. It is often the case that when we > see an image outside our domain of experience, it is more impressive > than if it is a shot we have thousands of ourselves. > > WayneS > > At 10:58 PM 1/7/2009, you wrote: >>How does this one look? >> >>http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/180-04_F.jpg >> >>I don't use foreground OOF much as it is difficult to control but it is >>certainly good when done properly. >> >>C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 06:24:18 2009 Received: (qmail 5354 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 05:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 05:24:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C009430416 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C13D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E926B34AC02C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:24:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403EC34AC01F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:24:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27173 invoked by uid 502); 9 Jan 2009 05:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.173.151) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 05:24:08 -0000 Message-ID: <4966DF73.2070802@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:24:03 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net> Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 06:24:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966df8220721744846740 WayneS wrote: > Very very nice. > > Oly missed the boat not enabling OM'ers the way a Can*n FF does. > That seems a bit unfair. Although Oly dragged their feet for a while about an OM to 4/3 adapter, they did give in. Although they weren't sufficient in my mind, they did, in fact, have some valid concerns about exposure issues. And frankly, if I were them, I'd much prefer that any such adaptations be done through third party adapters. Use of the manual adapters isn't for the technically unskilled. I can just see the user complaints about how they put their old lens on an E-thingie and couldn't focus and/or couldn't get correct exposures, and so on and so forth. I'll bet they have received at least hundreds of queries/complaints that the AF doesn't work properly, so the adapter must be defective. C'mon, you know it's true! :-) Canon never offered an EF to 4/3 adapter, they are all third party. All Canon has done is offer FF cameras that happen, through astute thinking when they replaced the FD mount with EF, to have a short register distance, making them suitable for adapters for MF lenses of many makes and mounts. OM to 4/3 and OM to EF are quite similar on the Canon small sensor cameras, mostly just a different aspect ratio. So you think Oly should have offered FF DSLRs instead of oing the 4/3 route? Just to accomodate their old OM customers' lenses? That would have been a "bet the company" venture, for sure. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 06:33:53 2009 Received: (qmail 14965 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 05:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 05:33:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312F7430405 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E949D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:33:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4C01A0C97 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:33:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 required=7 tests=[MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=1.495, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9FF1A0C95 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:33:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n095XgYB031710 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:33:42 +1100 Message-Id: <200901090533.n095XgYB031710@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:33:42 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:33:42 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Reversed Cine Lens (was OM Bellows) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 06:33:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966e1c1102031073733319 Thanks for that info Jay ! ...Wayne > Jay Drew wrote: > > Wayne raised the question as to what cine lens did I use (reversed) on > my > bellows (and extension tubes). > > It was basically choosing a cine lens that would provide an easy > mounting > scheme. What I wanted was a lens that had threaded ring that I would > guess > enabled a drop in filter to be inserted and then the ring screwed back > in to > hold that filter in place. > > My method of mounting was to take the female portion of a metal 49mm > filter > stack cap and make hole in the center of it that would accommodate the > threaded > male portion of the cine filter capture section. I then was able to > screw the > lens and filter holder together pinching the stack cap between the two > pieces. > I then use a 49mm reverse mount and screw the cine/stack cap onto it, > and mount > that onto the bellows/tubes what have you. > > I use a Wollensak Raptar 9mm, 6.5mm and a Wittnauer Chronostar at 13mm. > The > Wittnauer was 8 bucks at a surplus store. > > The 6.5mm is really difficult to deal with, the depth of field is just > about > nothing. The 13mm on my 65-116 tube was giving me a 9X magnification. > > Maybe Dean Hansen will pipe up, we traded notes once and he mentioned > using an > Elgeet 7mm reversed and getting 12x directly on the camera. I've got > the > distinct feeling he's gotten much higher quality shots than I have. > > The price is a lot cheaper than a 38mm or a 20mm, but you do lose the > auto > diaphragm and the quality is not superb. Lighting is tough. But it is > cheap. > I got the idea from John Shaw's book Closeups in Nature. > > Jay > > Hand me my costume > Please won't you pass me my mask > I have appointments I must keep with my past. > > Bill Nelson - Beauty Secrets > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 06:34:18 2009 Received: (qmail 24389 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 05:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 05:34:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270C0430414 for ; 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Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:34:04 +0000 Message-Id: <068F9E8E-1E6D-4439-B74C-9281B2D53FF1@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: leica@freelists.org, Leica Users Group , Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <50438A4D-44C9-49BD-A737-585C64315BBA@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:34:02 +0100 References: <50438A4D-44C9-49BD-A737-585C64315BBA@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 4/1/09: last PAD from Poland X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 06:34:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966e1da169271234514069 Outdoors fridge: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#451325035_dKpXe-O-LB Cheers :-) Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 06:40:56 2009 Received: (qmail 12207 invoked by uid 0); 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(moose@71.139.184.206) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 05:40:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4966E34E.2070804@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:40:30 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu><49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> <3796A5634CE142F98EB830D03860EC7F@main> In-Reply-To: <3796A5634CE142F98EB830D03860EC7F@main> Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 06:40:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966e368201391823421471 C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks Frank, even people complain about the macro performance, Like me. :-) > the 90/2 is very good at lower mag and distance objects Mine seemed to kick in at around 1:5. At lower magnifications than that, it was an excellent lens. I just couldn't see the point of keeping an expensive "macro" lens that didn't live up to the name. With 50/3.5, 135/4.5, 90/2.5 Tamron, 105/2.8 Kiron macros and 85/2 and 100/2.8*, I just didn't see where the 90/2 added anything useful for me. I've since added the 80/4 Auto real macro. And a wonderful 90/2.8 Tamron AF macro for Canon FF. Moose * Queue further AG rant about closet queens. ;-) Hey, at least the 90/2 moved on to someone who used it. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 06:44:58 2009 Received: (qmail 17002 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 05:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 05:44:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8D74303F3 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B59D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8063610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:44:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE84D34AC01F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:44:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2873486and.35 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.124.6 with SMTP id w6mr13596588anc.80.1231479892040; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:44:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:44:51 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4966E34E.2070804@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> <49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> <3796A5634CE142F98EB830D03860EC7F@main> <4966E34E.2070804@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: cf2ef170d7ed0d0d Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 06:44:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966e45a270331342116753 Recycle Moose wrote: > > * Queue further AG rant about closet queens. ;-) Hey, at least the > 90/2 moved on to someone who used it. > Good for you and good for the Olympus Community. I really like the idea of keeping gear either in use or in circulation. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 06:49:49 2009 Received: (qmail 22882 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 05:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 05:49:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA03B4303E9 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C2BD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224B834AC02C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:49:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD4634AC02E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:49:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7313 invoked by uid 502); 9 Jan 2009 05:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.184.206) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 05:49:40 -0000 Message-ID: <4966E570.5060308@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:49:36 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9667A9CF459844178437B5F12DD17AFC@jimnichols> <4963D805.6000606@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 06:49:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966e57d317491035110158 Jim Nichols wrote: > Like I said, Chuck, I decided that bald heads don't add to a photo. Thanks for looking. When you are 78 and counting, every day is a good day. > Hey, lookin' good for your age! May you have many, many more good days. I'm just a kid who won't qualify for Medicare until later this year. ;-) I did like it when I had lunch with younger son yesterday. He said I look 20 years younger than his girlfriend's father, who's a year younger than I am. He's a retired police chief, which may account for some wear and tear. I haven't met this fellow, but the way the wind is blowing, I may soon. As to the image, pretty noisy, which doesn't detract from the social purpose of the image. As mentioned in another thread, downsizing doesn't necessarily hide noise. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 06:56:36 2009 Received: (qmail 2148 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 05:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 05:56:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213B6430416 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:56:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3B1D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:56:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74C41CD481 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:56:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C911A0C73 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:56:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from 32.red-79-147-168.staticip.rima-tde.net ([79.147.168.32]:50694 helo=[192.168.1.33]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:5871) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1LLAM2-0006Ox-5A (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:56:22 +0000 Message-Id: <5A5A5814-C41A-4412-8D01-1BFC70F95E18@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:56:21 +0100 References: <9667A9CF459844178437B5F12DD17AFC@jimnichols> <4963D805.6000606@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] OT Wordpress blog software X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 06:56:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966e7143582070262475 Hi John, I use for my Picture-A-Week site: www.fotocycle.dk/paws You will note that I am still on version 1.5, have not found reason to upgrade to the latest 2.7 or whatever it is called. Feel free to ask any questions, I may even be able to answer them :-) Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Jan 7, 2009, at 2:06 PM, John Hudson wrote: > Does anyone on the list have experience using the Wordpress blog > writing > program ? > > A quick off-list response would be really appreciated. > > I have a short question to ask. > > John Hudson > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 07:08:07 2009 Received: (qmail 17449 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 06:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 06:08:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA1A4303FE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50ACD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12B034AC02E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:08:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72343610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:08:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:08:01 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n0967v2t023886 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:07:59 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9667A9CF459844178437B5F12DD17AFC@jimnichols> <4963D805.6000606@chucknorcutt.com> <4966E570.5060308@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:07:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 07:08:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966e9c765309347015869 Hi Moose, Thanks for looking, and for the kind words. Because of the weak lighting, I used ISO 800, when I probably could have gotten by with 400. At least I can read the inscription on the lens face, even with a filter in place. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Self-Portrait During Lens Checkout > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Like I said, Chuck, I decided that bald heads don't add to a photo. >> Thanks for looking. When you are 78 and counting, every day is a good >> day. >> > > Hey, lookin' good for your age! May you have many, many more good days. > > I'm just a kid who won't qualify for Medicare until later this year. > ;-) I did like it when I had lunch with younger son yesterday. He said > I look 20 years younger than his girlfriend's father, who's a year > younger than I am. He's a retired police chief, which may account for > some wear and tear. > > I haven't met this fellow, but the way the wind is blowing, I may soon. > > As to the image, pretty noisy, which doesn't detract from the social > purpose of the image. As mentioned in another thread, downsizing doesn't > necessarily hide noise. > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 07:12:51 2009 Received: (qmail 15220 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 06:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 06:12:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26AFD43042A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFB7D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:12:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410F11CD486 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:12:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341731CD481 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:12:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-204.ctimail.com [61.93.57.204]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n096CaVZ010920 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:12:37 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n096Cakw022904 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:12:36 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <7370B59D529B4FFFA22D125D9DA517D6@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu><49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> <3796A5634CE142F98EB830D03860EC7F@main> <4966E34E.2070804@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:12:32 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 07:12:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966eae3113461470116606 The 90/2 was not much more expensive than 100/2 in the late 80s', with similar or even better performance plus macro I don't see any problem from choosing it. The 85/2 is certainly not up to 100/2 or 90/2 performance. The 50/3.5 is much slower and shorter, the 135/4.5 is not that convenient and also slow, the 80/4 is even more limited on the field. But they all have their own uses so I own all of them and use them on where appropriate. We just can't compare original lens with third part lenses especially they are one stop slower! The color/tonal quality of 90/2 is definately better than many other lenses. Most old Tamron MF glasses has color problem that is a consensus here between many old users. Of course it may be personal taste issue, just like the poor Canon color that many people are very happy with, it took me years to find a way to deal with it. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Thanks Frank, even people complain about the macro performance, > > Like me. :-) > >> the 90/2 is very good at lower mag and distance objects > > Mine seemed to kick in at around 1:5. At lower magnifications than that, > it was an excellent lens. > > I just couldn't see the point of keeping an expensive "macro" lens that > didn't live up to the name. With 50/3.5, 135/4.5, 90/2.5 Tamron, 105/2.8 > Kiron macros and 85/2 and 100/2.8*, I just didn't see where the 90/2 > added anything useful for me. I've since added the 80/4 Auto real macro. > And a wonderful 90/2.8 Tamron AF macro for Canon FF. > > Moose > > * Queue further AG rant about closet queens. ;-) Hey, at least the > 90/2 moved on to someone who used it. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 07:14:11 2009 Received: (qmail 12733 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 06:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 06:14:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4324C430417 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6AAD0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3BD34AC01F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:14:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D3D34AC02C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:14:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-204.ctimail.com [61.93.57.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n096E3lo011206 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:14:03 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n096E3p1024099 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:14:03 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net> <4966DF73.2070802@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:14:00 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 07:14:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966eb3379341234514069 Most important is Canon does not stop users from using non EF lenses, they can made the camera to stop operation if no EF lenses were mounted to protect any possible damage from using MF lenses, it do happen with some old Contax lenses. Olympus choosen the 4/3 system with all new lenses was not wise, they should do it like Nikon, even both are shortsighted as Nikon announced no FF for their DSLR some years ago. They should know the FF sensor will be very cheap one day, people is going to FF even at current high price, consider some years later the FF DSLR costs only $500, how would you choose? C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > > Canon never offered an EF to 4/3 adapter, they are all third party. All > Canon has done is offer FF cameras that happen, through astute thinking > when they replaced the FD mount with EF, to have a short register > distance, making them suitable for adapters for MF lenses of many makes > and mounts. > > OM to 4/3 and OM to EF are quite similar on the Canon small sensor > cameras, mostly just a different aspect ratio. > > So you think Oly should have offered FF DSLRs instead of oing the 4/3 > route? Just to accomodate their old OM customers' lenses? That would > have been a "bet the company" venture, for sure. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 07:17:20 2009 Received: (qmail 18764 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 06:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 06:17:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D35430416 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E40D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27B834AC02C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:17:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B204534AC01F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:17:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:17:14 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with SMTP id n096H9UQ015469; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:17:11 GMT Message-ID: <1697790C09FB40779C9DF5F6CA4D2FA6@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:17:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Lion Impersonation X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 07:17:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966ebf0222665368819438 One more photo of our feline visitor, apparently doing a lion impersonation. This cat has blue-green eyes which are apparently bothered by the bright sunlight, so, when facing the Winter sun, the eyes are frequently closed. Its favorite spot is sprawled out beneath some bushes on the South side of our storage barn, soaking up the warm rays. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Sunning.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 07:20:27 2009 Received: (qmail 3756 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 06:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 06:20:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3414303F0 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344B3D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27F13610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:20:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9592E34AC01F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:20:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED4246160C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:38:25 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <7B247431-55CA-4A7B-9425-60C6957009D8@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:20:17 +0000 References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 07:20:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966ecab210058512572685 The indoor shots look great, CH. But I really like most of the night shots. There is a certain quality to most of those images which I find very appealing and I wonder if it has to do with the combination of sensor and lens. Ken's use of the 200/4 with E1 had that effect, as I remember. Chris On 8 Jan 2009, at 15:34, C.H.Ling wrote: > My first day with a FF digital body: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 > > Nighttime handheld is fun: > > http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 > > Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 > mirror. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 07:22:26 2009 Received: (qmail 13086 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 06:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 06:22:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F5B430416 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892F7D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7921B3610003 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:22:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F563610001 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:22:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8B846160C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:40:25 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <42A76EF6-516C-4FDC-B811-3C95274089F5@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:22:17 +0000 References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> <49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 07:22:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966ed22262509117217770 Likewise about the urging, Frank. But what's "rhyme"? Did you mean "rime ice" (bane of pilots) or am I missing something poetic? Chris On 8 Jan 2009, at 19:17, Frank van Lindert wrote: > They urge me to try my 90/2 (one of the few OM Zuikos I have kept, > together with the 50/2) and mount it on my E-400 very soon! > Unfortunately we don't have flowers here at the moment, but rhyme and > freezing fog will hopefully be suitable subjects... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 07:25:34 2009 Received: (qmail 12977 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 06:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 06:25:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225F443040C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D947D0404A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8401CD482 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:25:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34291CD481 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:25:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF58946160C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:43:34 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:25:27 +0000 References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 07:25:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4966edde264483675314703 They didn't disappoint me either, Iwert :-). And Picasa is much friendlier for looking at photos than Flickr ... Chris On 8 Jan 2009, at 21:36, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > > Here some images from me waiting on the train which was late due to > cold for > 20 minutes... all wide open > and I have to say the 40mm does not dissappoint me. > > < > http://picasaweb.google.com/zuikooh/5D40f2?authkey=S7tooLmRHEE&pli=1&gsessionid=bYNO_wNBu8h-AXtVtp3bwg&feat=directlink >> > > for me the church with open windows is my favourite! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 09:58:42 2009 Received: (qmail 25736 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 08:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 08:58:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D491C40F5D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14AFD440006 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB30A19D9B1 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:58:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C6519D9B2 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:58:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n098wLCZ009037 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:58:21 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net><7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net><82B87E544BE34631BBAF86145F122C6F@main><7.0.1.0.2.20090108185106.01116138@zuik.net> <9e908c1f0901082025o67427b81pb13e386f80a18de2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:58:16 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 09:58:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496711c2206361234514069 Thanks Wayne and Joel for the detail analysis on the image. Concerning the blown out of the foreground I have different opinion, techincally speaking an image works when the subject is standout from the background/foreground. The object standout when it is in focus while the others are not. The object standout when the tone/color is differ from the other part. I have tried to darken the foreground but to my eyes it doesn't look as good as the original. Yes, the object is backlit but it is certainly bright enough to make itself standout. As mentioned previously, to me the only distraction is the bright leave at the lower part of the image, which does not mix well with other elements in the foreground. I did a quick dirty work to removed it here: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/180-04_F2.jpg I like the harmony of the foreground and background, it also gives a 3-D look to the image, of course this is my image and I'm certainly biased ;-) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" >I don't find that the OOF foreground of C.H.'s photo distracts because > of OOF but because it is blown out in relation to the main part of the > image. Like you, I also like the visual tension of it, but I think I > would like it a lot more if it weren't getting the main light while > the model is in the shadows. In the Bokeh TOPE from ages ago I tried > a very shallow focus (f2.8) in order to isolate a bee between OOF > patches: > > http://www.tope.nl/tope_show_entry.php?event=3&pic=13 > > I think it worked out OK because it doesn't compete with the rest of > the image with respect to the lighting of the whole. > > As far as your examples go, they don't compare well with each other. > One loves the joy, beauty, and straightforwardness of the second, and > I presume it captures something of the essence of the girl (who is > very adorable, I'm sure I don't need to tell you!). First one is > utsy-futsy. You need to let bystanders tell you about that one. > Family might beat you up if you futsify a grandchild unless there's a > prize involved. But as a bystander, I find it interesting, and I'm > glad to see it and enjoy looking at it. > > Joel W. > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:43 PM, WayneS wrote: >> My 1st take on C.H's image is that it is a distraction for most people. >> The issue is that the OOF foreground creates visual tension. >> In this case C.H. has framed the OOF in the lower left corner. As such >> it becomes an anchoring point for the frame, and balances with >> the more open right hand side. So overall, IMOP, this is a good >> image. The visual tension makes the image more dynamic >> and is probably not fully appreciated on first viewing. It asks >> for more participation from the viewer. >> >> I find that images take some time to determine if they are good >> or not. I call it the wall test. Put the images on the wall and >> remove them when you tire of viewing them. With this test >> images that at first react to is to bypass, yet over time keep pulling >> back the visual interest, determines if the photo is good or not. >> (This I learned from a fellow photographer. Not my original idea. >> Lifetime on the wall is the rating of the image.) >> >> If you like coming back and looking at an image you took over >> time, that gives it a better rating. Too often we are quick to judge >> an image negatively that incorporates elements of tension. >> >> Again, in C.H.'s case, there are other factors that make it work >> due to the framing, the anchoring in the corners, and open >> space to the right. So I agree, on second viewing, it works. >> On first reaction, it was not as much, so it takes some time >> to appreciate fully. >> >> Too often I find images that I am drawn back to others don't like. >> Judgement is quick. People react to motion blur, OOF elements, >> minimal DOF, etc. To compensate the image needs to be balanced >> in other ways - corner anchoring, framing, visual tension, >> juxtaposition of contrasts, subject, etc. >> >> As in interesting experiment, I took photos of my grand daughter >> during the holidays and showed them to family. >> 1 http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_gd1_MG_6133.jpg >> 2 http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_gd2_MG_6137.jpg >> >> Everyone preferred the second one over the first. They skipped over >> the first as if it was not worth viewing. Of course, family wants a >> clear view of the great grand daughter over the artistic interpretation. >> >> This shot, previously shown: http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/bk_MG_7711.jpg >> has both foreground and background OOF elements, and I personally >> like the effect, but is one of the very few of my images where foreground >> OOF works. The same will go for the lensbaby. For me the lensbaby effect >> is tiresome, and success depends on more than just the blurry effect. >> >> Again, I think that foreground OOF elements require extra compositional >> care, which I think C.H. has done well. He has probably shot thousands of >> such images, whereas most of us have not. I trust his instincts on this >> one. >> And it also depends on the viewers tolerance for visual tension in the >> image. Which takes time to determine. It is often the case that when we >> see an image outside our domain of experience, it is more impressive >> than if it is a shot we have thousands of ourselves. >> >> WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 10:14:11 2009 Received: (qmail 29719 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 09:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 09:14:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337031C4030D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:14:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD617440006 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E2F34AC02E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:14:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2606F34AC02D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:14:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1824 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 09:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.131) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 09:13:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <200901090416.n094GwqM012939@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200901090416.n094GwqM012939@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:13:52 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 10:14:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49671563235949117217770 And, more importantly, on the tube allowing general purpose use. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/01/2009, at 3:16 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > the thing I like about the 135/4.5 is that it will focus to > infinity on the bellows. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 10:19:51 2009 Received: (qmail 29106 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 09:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 09:19:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBA21C40F4E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24D5440006 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B170F34AC032 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:19:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F6234AC02D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:19:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:19:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3107 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 09:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.131) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 09:19:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4966DF73.2070802@gmail.com> References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net> <4966DF73.2070802@gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:19:34 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 10:19:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496716b7123291529615919 Yes, Contax/Kyocera didn't survive long pioneering that one. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/01/2009, at 4:24 PM, Moose wrote: > So you think Oly should have offered FF DSLRs instead of oing the 4/3 > route? Just to accomodate their old OM customers' lenses? That would > have been a "bet the company" venture, for sure. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 10:55:47 2009 Received: (qmail 24020 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 09:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 09:55:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3DA4302D9 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61B9440006 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB28034AC02E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:55:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF7334AC032 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:55:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n099tdNn025385 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:55:40 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz><9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:55:38 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 10:55:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49671f23250349117217770 Same here, the first lens I mounted on a digital body was the 50/3.5 (on the 10D). The focus was easy and result was excellent, I like its tone/color and bokeh. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > > >> When I tested my Zuikos with the E-1 several years ago, I thought the >> 50/3.5 was the most natural and easy to use and among the most >> pleasing in terms of the final result. >> > > > I agree. In fact, I'll say that the 50/3.5 has really grown on me for > both > the E-1 and OM system. The bokeh is pretty relaxed. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 11:12:35 2009 Received: (qmail 9214 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 10:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 10:12:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC6B430347 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5738D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:12:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CBB19DC66 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:12:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FEE19DC65 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:12:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp-out2.tiscali.nl (smtp-out2.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out2.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LLELq-0000V9-1T for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:12:26 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:12:19 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> <49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> <42A76EF6-516C-4FDC-B811-3C95274089F5@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <42A76EF6-516C-4FDC-B811-3C95274089F5@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 11:12:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49672313198151993019900 I did already correct myself on that one, Chris: frost is what I meant. But it is a good illustration of what I said earlier about 'no pronunciation rules whatsoever in English'. Rhyme or rime, ion or iron, cache or cash, steal or steel: it's all sounding the same to my ears and it may cause confusion when writing. Even to native speakers, as our list often demonstrates ;-) BTW: Would you steal cash from a steel cache? Frank. Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:22:17 +0000, Chris Barker wrote: >Likewise about the urging, Frank. But what's "rhyme"? Did you mean >"rime ice" (bane of pilots) or am I missing something poetic? > >Chris > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 11:14:42 2009 Received: (qmail 28579 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 10:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 10:14:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1462D43029A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD424D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB16519DC70 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:14:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B899319DC65 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:14:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n09AETci000535 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:14:29 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com><4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <7B247431-55CA-4A7B-9425-60C6957009D8@threeshoes.net> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:14:14 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 11:14:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49672392316071946193717 Thanks for the kind comments, Chris. I belive it is the tone/color and degree of sharpening (very little), partly due to the lenses/sensor and partly due to the post processing, they are not straight from the camera. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" > The indoor shots look great, CH. But I really like most of the night > shots. There is a certain quality to most of those images which I > find very appealing and I wonder if it has to do with the combination > of sensor and lens. Ken's use of the 200/4 with E1 had that effect, > as I remember. > > Chris > > On 8 Jan 2009, at 15:34, C.H.Ling wrote: > >> My first day with a FF digital body: >> >> http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=889&extra=page%3D1 >> >> Nighttime handheld is fun: >> >> http://pasm.myphotos.cc/forum/viewthread.php?tid=888&extra=page%3D1 >> >> Can't wait to test all my Zuikos, especially the 35 shift and 500 >> mirror. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 11:19:03 2009 Received: (qmail 12208 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 10:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 10:19:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D644302A1 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F87D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B25434AC032 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:18:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D174B34AC00E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:18:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:18:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5674 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 10:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 10:18:54 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090109051018.011283f8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:13:01 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <200901080249.n082n4eV008688@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200901080249.n082n4eV008688@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 11:19:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49672497249457350615338 At 09:49 PM 1/7/2009, you wrote: >> WayneS wrote: >> >> One of my complaints with the Olympus systems is the lack of >> a long focal length macro lens... >> (Correct me if I'm wrong). >> > >Ok, because of the crop factor, you'll be standing in approximately the same position with a 200mm on a FF camera as you would with a 100mm on a 4/3 camera to fill the respective frame with the same subject. Effectively you have the same working distance but a different magnification (e.g. 1:1 on FF, 1:2 on 4/3). So I could just crop the FF and get the same result. Still Oly lacks longer range macros. Maybe there is a 100mm now?? but there was none for quite some time. I had the Zuiko 135/4.5 but it was cumbersome to use with the auto tube and I never really got good results with it myself. Nothing to compare with the Nik*n 200mm or Sigm* 180 or Can*n 180 in usability. At least with those lenses you could easily use them as a lens at infinity. The Zuiko 90mm was the only long range macro Oly made that was a self a contained lens, and only 1:2 at that. I just think Oly lacks in this department. WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 12:04:15 2009 Received: (qmail 19666 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 11:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 11:04:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CA71C40F3F for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AF4D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:04:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D22634AC016 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:04:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE7734AC02E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:04:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n09B45EX013393 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:04:05 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <200901080249.n082n4eV008688@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20090109051018.011283f8@zuik.net> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:04:02 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 12:04:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49672f2f254665368819438 If you are looking for a long lens that is good up to 1:4 (1:2 in FF system), the DZ50-200 is not too bad. It is ok for butterfly but don't expect to shoot bee with it. http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/E-1_1/butterfly.htm For the 135/4.5, it is good for still objects: http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/40D02.htm I believe the new DZ100mm macro is an excellent lens but the price could be very high and don't know if the AF issue can be solved with the E-30. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "WayneS" >>Ok, because of the crop factor, you'll be standing in approximately the >>same position with a 200mm on a FF camera as you would with a 100mm on a >>4/3 camera to fill the respective frame with the same subject. >>Effectively you have the same working distance but a different >>magnification (e.g. 1:1 on FF, 1:2 on 4/3). > > So I could just crop the FF and get the same result. Still Oly lacks > longer range macros. Maybe there is a 100mm now?? but there > was none for quite some time. > > I had the Zuiko 135/4.5 but it was cumbersome to use with the auto tube > and I never really got good results with it myself. Nothing to compare > with > the Nik*n 200mm or Sigm* 180 or Can*n 180 in usability. At least with > those lenses you could easily use them as a lens at infinity. The Zuiko > 90mm > was the only long range macro Oly made that was a self a contained > lens, and only 1:2 at that. I just think Oly lacks in this department. > > WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 12:17:57 2009 Received: (qmail 28565 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 11:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 11:17:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EF94301B0 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D22D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C3619DDD5 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:17:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C44919DDCD for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:17:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A31B0419 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:17:34 +1100 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GLF8iF7tm4Yt for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:17:31 +1100 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6F3B064C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:17:31 +1100 (EST) Received: from c122-107-121-205.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au ([122.107.121.205] helo=[10.0.1.198]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LLFMz-0005nm-O0 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:17:41 +1100 Message-Id: From: Brent To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090109051018.011283f8@zuik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:17:41 +1100 References: <200901080249.n082n4eV008688@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20090109051018.011283f8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wildskies.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [OM] bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 12:17:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49673265106741470116606 Hi Your discussions about bokeh inspired me to have a play this afternoon. Not sure if the bokeh in these photos is 'pleasing' or not. All taken with an OM Zuiko 50mm f1.4 on a Canon EOS 350D - all hand held. This lens always seems to have a "glowing" look about it, although it's not blur... the 'in focus' bits are as sharp as anything I've seen using my wife's L series lenses. This one has that soft, smooth? look despite the spikey subject: http://phogra.com/g/v/Jan2009/PutneyPark/spikygrass.jpg.html http://phogra.com/g/v/Jan2009/PutneyPark/ciggy.jpg.html http://phogra.com/g/v/Jan2009/PutneyPark/yellowflower.jpg.html "Spot the bit in focus": http://phogra.com/g/v/Jan2009/PutneyPark/wall.jpg.html It is really hard focusing with the 350D :-( wish I had a split focus thing, or at least a bigger viewfinder... Brent -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 12:56:10 2009 Received: (qmail 18909 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 11:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 11:56:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BD943026C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB7CD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2282C19DF6B for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:56:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BD819DF68 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:56:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl34.gs02.gridserver.com (cl34.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.43]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50513 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl34.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LLFy6-0001Kr-LR for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:56:02 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:56:00 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] bokeh Thread-Index: AclyUT0de/L8pt5EEd2aYwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 12:56:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49673b5a113282336821329 What did you shoot the purple flower with? It has magnificent bokeh -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/9/09 6:17 AM, "Brent" wrote: > Hi > > Your discussions about bokeh inspired me to have a play this afternoon. > > Not sure if the bokeh in these photos is 'pleasing' or not. All taken > with an OM Zuiko 50mm f1.4 on a Canon EOS 350D - all hand held. This > lens always seems to have a "glowing" look about it, although it's not > blur... the 'in focus' bits are as sharp as anything I've seen using > my wife's L series lenses. > > This one has that soft, smooth? look despite the spikey subject: > http://phogra.com/g/v/Jan2009/PutneyPark/spikygrass.jpg.html > > http://phogra.com/g/v/Jan2009/PutneyPark/ciggy.jpg.html > http://phogra.com/g/v/Jan2009/PutneyPark/yellowflower.jpg.html > > "Spot the bit in focus": > http://phogra.com/g/v/Jan2009/PutneyPark/wall.jpg.html > > It is really hard focusing with the 350D :-( wish I had a split focus > thing, or at least a bigger viewfinder... > > Brent -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 12:57:00 2009 Received: (qmail 2980 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 11:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 11:57:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BA74301EF for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DA7D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15EE3610004 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:56:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4869D3610001 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:56:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n09BsclP020093 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:56:48 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:54:33 +1100 Message-ID: <34C8DA363F734F26A9CAA16871CB04A2@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AclyS+slaBieOAlTREO/So3WhTlHwwABKs8g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 12:57:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49673b8c37481591313764 > > This one has that soft, smooth? look despite the spikey > subject: http://phogra.com/g/v/Jan2009/PutneyPark/spikygrass.jpg.html > That is unusual, looks almost like a double exposure. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 14:39:18 2009 Received: (qmail 26843 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 13:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 13:39:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D991C40F5B for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A913ED0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BBE19E2A4 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:39:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B742B19E274 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:39:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so10393956wfd.26 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.11.11 with SMTP id o11mr10706645wfi.193.1231508348624; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:39:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901090539m5f46f3ctd00526894c64b4f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:39:08 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200901080249.n082n4eV008688@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20090109051018.011283f8@zuik.net> Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 14:39:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49675386117051342116753 Arrrgh! Where were you at the beginning of this thread? Those are a lot better examples of the bokeh of the 50-200 than anything I posted! Brilliant job, C.H. Joel W. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:04 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > If you are looking for a long lens that is good up to 1:4 (1:2 in FF > system), the DZ50-200 is not too bad. It is ok for butterfly but don't > expect to shoot bee with it. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/E-1_1/butterfly.htm > > For the 135/4.5, it is good for still objects: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/40D02.htm > > I believe the new DZ100mm macro is an excellent lens but the price could be > very high and don't know if the AF issue can be solved with the E-30. > > C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 14:57:51 2009 Received: (qmail 5497 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 13:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 13:57:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2230430298 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681B6D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:57:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5695C34AC02C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:57:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4523734AC013 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:57:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.80.20.4]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KD70059GIRVDN10@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:57:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:57:44 -0500 From: John Hermanson In-reply-to: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <496757D8.1090203@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 14:57:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496757df3551869477228 Nice series. We have a bruiser stray cat in out neighborhood. I've seen other cats slink away and hide on the roof of my neighbors shed when he's in the area. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Timpe, Jim wrote: > Chris Crawford > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/oliver/ > > Here's photos of Hitler fighting with Oliver, a cat who belonged to the > girl I was dating there. > > > Great sequence, and nice looking cats. Good stuff. > Jim > -- > > Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. > If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or > re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, > please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone > (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any > attachments. 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 15:13:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49675ba597137350615338 Brian, I may be able to help. What type of Nikon does he plan to use (DSLR, Coolpix, etc. )? Charlie On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:03 PM, wrote: > Hi all, > > An old friend and one-time colleague works in the USDA Forest Service (CA) > as a plant pathologist. > > He just sent me a query about fitting a Nykon digi camera to an Olympus > microscope. I don't know the answer. Can anyone here help? > > Here's his query: > > > Quick question. My lab just acquired an Olympus stereoscopic microscope, > > with attached close up lens. The lens is as expected an Olympus lens. > It > > appears to be a specialty lens made specifically for the scope. It has a > > bayonet mount, and I have only Nikon and Cannon bodies. Can I obtain a > > T-mount to tie the Oly scope to my Nikon Digital camera ? Scope was US > > Gov't surplus and it cost my lab nothing. I have a hold on 3 other > > microscopes and will go to look at them before accepting them. The first > > one was ordered blind, along with fridge freezer. I removed the lens > > and found out it is a 2x converter that fits into the body of the camera > > at one end and the microscope at the other end. It has no way to mount > > another lens in front of it. The scope has a secondary tube to which I > > could mount my Nikon. I was hoping to use the Olympus tube because it > has > > f stop control and depth of focus is usually the limitation of these > > machines. > > Cheers, Brian Swale > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 15:36:12 2009 Received: (qmail 10081 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 14:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 14:36:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A425843037A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB70CD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE54A34AC009 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:36:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D4D34AC02E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:36:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so1724268fgb.36 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:36:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.80.17 with SMTP id d17mr14880173fgb.14.1231511763456; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:36:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.77.10 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:36:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0901090636v635ec6c5l500a874e6300de3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:36:03 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090108183307.022a0978@zuik.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 15:36:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496760dc64109117217770 Yow! Mother Nature *can* be a real bitch. For controlling mice, nothing beats a Black Snake (aka Black Racer). I had an army of mice living in my garage until a Racer moved in (I found a shed skin in the grage door springs). They're very thin and can work their way into the smallest crack. He didn't even have to catch all the mice; once they sensed him the mice moved out. Charlie On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > Wow, I've never had a cat get eaten. Not much in Indiana that will tangle > with a cat. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, has killed two rattlesnakes. When > I > lived in Santa Fe, people used to talk of cats being eaten by coyotes and > one person I knew had a cat get eaten by a large owl. That woman had > several > horses and she kept complaining that her barn was full of mice and she > couldn't seem to get rid of them. Noticing that she didn't have any cats, I > suggested getting one to live in the barn. That's when she told me that her > last cat got eaten by the owl that lives in a tree on her property. She > says > she saw the owl tear her cat apart while it was still alive! That > traumatized her and she never got another cat. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > > On 1/8/09 6:44 PM, "WayneS" wrote: > > > Nice sequence. > > > > We have a cat who roams our neighborhood, but never lets me get close. > > > > Problem in our neighborhood is that predators usually consume cats that > > roam the neighborhood. We have lost 4 cats. I know one was to a fox. > > The others were either from a fisher cat or coyotes. > > > > Our latest two cats, against my long history with cats, are relegated to > > indoors. > > > > my dude Zeus: > > http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/zeusey_MG_9273.jpg > > > > WayneS > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 15:51:32 2009 Received: (qmail 6993 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 14:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 14:51:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA1B43034B for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9982DD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:51:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7A834AC005 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:51:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33153610001 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:51:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090109145124.RCPR73.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:51:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0901090636v635ec6c5l500a874e6300de3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090108183307.022a0978@zuik.net> <14883a8b0901090636v635ec6c5l500a874e6300de3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:51:20 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 15:51:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967647446811529615919 Yep. We used to lie in bed at night listening to the mice and red squirrels play soccer overhead with an acorn. We had two cats who kept them out of the interior, but not out of the walls. Then one winter, no more soccer. Then another winter. We wondered what had happened. Finally, our furnace needed some work. The repair guy came out of the basement looking like he'd been blanched by the water heater. For our inspection, he mutely held (note murkin-style adverb preceding verb) a very long skin. Turns out it's apparently a kind of garter snake, but not one of those wimpy little ones you see squashed on the roads. This bad boy is _big_. But he's welcome. Still no winter soccer. And our furnace guy is still a bit tentative about heading down into the basement. We have fishers, too. Which means our cat (used to be cats) is an inside cat. The post office is never without a notice or two of "Have you seen Fluffy?" Sad, really. Fishers are merciless. So are Great Horned Owls. We had one of them come sit on our deck rail at twilight. I thought it was just curious. After reading the list, I'm wondering if he was trying to figure out how to get at the cats. Swooped off the deck into the field beyond. I swear is wingspan would rival a B-52. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jan 9, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > For controlling mice, nothing > beats a Black Snake (aka Black Racer). I had an army of mice living > in my > garage until a Racer moved in (I found a shed skin in the grage door > springs). They're very thin and can work their way into the > smallest crack. > He didn't even have to catch all the mice; once they sensed him the > mice > moved out. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 16:08:57 2009 Received: (qmail 5482 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 15:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 15:08:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD864303B5 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A608D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D39134AC009 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:08:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5990B34AC005 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:08:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:08:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B540D461602 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:26:56 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:08:48 +0000 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <143F882D-E40B-4950-9FDC-9867637C834E@ucr.edu> <49662DF6.3030901@chucknorcutt.com> <42A76EF6-516C-4FDC-B811-3C95274089F5@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 16:08:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49676889242741470116606 That's what makes it interesting, Frank. And you know I wouldn't steal from a steel anything ... :-) Chris On 9 Jan 2009, at 10:12, Frank van Lindert wrote: > I did already correct myself on that one, Chris: frost is what I > meant. But it is a good illustration of what I said earlier about 'no > pronunciation rules whatsoever in English'. > Rhyme or rime, ion or iron, cache or cash, steal or steel: it's all > sounding the same to my ears and it may cause confusion when writing. > Even to native speakers, as our list often demonstrates ;-) > > BTW: Would you steal cash from a steel cache? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 16:34:14 2009 Received: (qmail 20883 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 15:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 15:34:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25BD4303FC for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:34:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E26BD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785F619E784 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:34:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E62C19E759 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:34:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:34:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15642 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 15:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 15:33:59 -0000 Message-ID: <49676E66.4080709@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:33:58 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <000801c97211$8c052e10$6400a8c0@SpongeBob> In-Reply-To: <000801c97211$8c052e10$6400a8c0@SpongeBob> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090108-0, 01/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Reversed Cine Lens (was OM Bellows) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 16:34:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49676e76227321499373980 From memory of my father-in-law's 8mm movie camera these sound like 8mm lenses. I thing his lens was 12mm. Can one readily find longer focal lengths from 16mm cameras so as not to have such high magnification? Maybe 16mm lenses run towards the 12-36mm range? Chuck Norcutt Jay Drew wrote: > Wayne raised the question as to what cine lens did I use (reversed) on my > bellows (and extension tubes). > > It was basically choosing a cine lens that would provide an easy mounting > scheme. What I wanted was a lens that had threaded ring that I would guess > enabled a drop in filter to be inserted and then the ring screwed back in to > hold that filter in place. > > My method of mounting was to take the female portion of a metal 49mm filter > stack cap and make hole in the center of it that would accommodate the threaded > male portion of the cine filter capture section. I then was able to screw the > lens and filter holder together pinching the stack cap between the two pieces. > I then use a 49mm reverse mount and screw the cine/stack cap onto it, and mount > that onto the bellows/tubes what have you. > > I use a Wollensak Raptar 9mm, 6.5mm and a Wittnauer Chronostar at 13mm. The > Wittnauer was 8 bucks at a surplus store. > > The 6.5mm is really difficult to deal with, the depth of field is just about > nothing. The 13mm on my 65-116 tube was giving me a 9X magnification. > > Maybe Dean Hansen will pipe up, we traded notes once and he mentioned using an > Elgeet 7mm reversed and getting 12x directly on the camera. I've got the > distinct feeling he's gotten much higher quality shots than I have. > > The price is a lot cheaper than a 38mm or a 20mm, but you do lose the auto > diaphragm and the quality is not superb. Lighting is tough. But it is cheap. > I got the idea from John Shaw's book Closeups in Nature. > > Jay > > Hand me my costume > Please won't you pass me my mask > I have appointments I must keep with my past. > > Bill Nelson - Beauty Secrets > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 16:48:52 2009 Received: (qmail 15268 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 15:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 15:48:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700744303F0 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D357FD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51B134AC00E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:48:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC2434AC005 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:48:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n09Fmdsi016887 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 23:48:39 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <85449DC5BFD14A0188E9E861B6E4AF40@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <200901080249.n082n4eV008688@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au><7.0.1.0.2.20090109051018.011283f8@zuik.net> <9e908c1f0901090539m5f46f3ctd00526894c64b4f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 23:48:36 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 16:48:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496771e470901470116606 Thanks for the praise, it just happen that most of the shots has to be done at the very long end of the 50-200 and close to the object in order to get enough magnification, all these combinations made the OOF background softer. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" > Arrrgh! Where were you at the beginning of this thread? Those are a > lot better examples of the bokeh of the 50-200 than anything I posted! > Brilliant job, C.H. > > Joel W. > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:04 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: >> If you are looking for a long lens that is good up to 1:4 (1:2 in FF >> system), the DZ50-200 is not too bad. It is ok for butterfly but don't >> expect to shoot bee with it. >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/E-1_1/butterfly.htm >> >> For the 135/4.5, it is good for still objects: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/40D02.htm >> >> I believe the new DZ100mm macro is an excellent lens but the price could >> be >> very high and don't know if the AF issue can be solved with the E-30. >> >> C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 16:58:12 2009 Received: (qmail 25253 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 15:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 15:58:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058CB43035E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3373FD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:58:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C6134AC005 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:58:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369B534AC00E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:58:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.240]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so9451324rvb.50 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.203.9 with SMTP id a9mr12781295rvg.289.1231516679558; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? (75-142-198-128.static.rvsd.ca.charter.com [75.142.198.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8sm4272112rvf.9.2009.01.09.07.57.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:57:58 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0901090636v635ec6c5l500a874e6300de3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090108183307.022a0978@zuik.net> <14883a8b0901090636v635ec6c5l500a874e6300de3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Nicoletta Da Ros Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:57:55 -0800 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 16:58:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49677414159611342116753 uh... but how did you get *him* to move out when his job was done?!? nico. On Jan 9, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: Yow! Mother Nature *can* be a real bitch. For controlling mice, nothing beats a Black Snake (aka Black Racer). I had an army of mice living in my garage until a Racer moved in (I found a shed skin in the grage door springs). They're very thin and can work their way into the smallest crack. He didn't even have to catch all the mice; once they sensed him the mice moved out. Charlie On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > Wow, I've never had a cat get eaten. Not much in Indiana that will > tangle > with a cat. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, has killed two > rattlesnakes. When > I > lived in Santa Fe, people used to talk of cats being eaten by > coyotes and > one person I knew had a cat get eaten by a large owl. That woman had > several > horses and she kept complaining that her barn was full of mice and she > couldn't seem to get rid of them. Noticing that she didn't have any > cats, I > suggested getting one to live in the barn. That's when she told me > that her > last cat got eaten by the owl that lives in a tree on her property. > She > says > she saw the owl tear her cat apart while it was still alive! That > traumatized her and she never got another cat. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > > On 1/8/09 6:44 PM, "WayneS" wrote: > >> Nice sequence. >> >> We have a cat who roams our neighborhood, but never lets me get >> close. >> >> Problem in our neighborhood is that predators usually consume cats >> that >> roam the neighborhood. We have lost 4 cats. I know one was to a fox. >> The others were either from a fisher cat or coyotes. >> >> Our latest two cats, against my long history with cats, are >> relegated to >> indoors. >> >> my dude Zeus: >> http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/zeusey_MG_9273.jpg >> >> WayneS >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 17:22:24 2009 Received: (qmail 24699 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 16:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 16:22:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6A54303D5 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28AE6D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A2F19E952 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:22:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B07319E94E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:22:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:22:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so1744027fgb.36 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:22:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.84.5 with SMTP id h5mr14981214fgb.49.1231518133949; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.77.10 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:22:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14883a8b0901090822i2d0a7711ud37a554ba1925318@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:22:13 -0500 From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090108183307.022a0978@zuik.net> <14883a8b0901090636v635ec6c5l500a874e6300de3d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 17:22:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 496779c0321662070262475 That's the beauty of it, I don't have to. He comes and goes as he pleases. Snakes will actively hunt a territory and his territory includes a portion of the woods next to my house, my front and back yards, my garage and even the walls of the house. Where the mice go he will follow. They are wonderfully efficient predators. I come across him regularly in the yard and garage. When he senses me he slithers off at a rate faster than I can run. I've heard stories of farmers catching them and releasing them in their barns for rodent control; but I'll be damned if I know how they catch them. They are very fast. Charlie On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Nicoletta Da Ros wrote: > uh... but how did you get *him* to move out when his job was done?!? > > nico. > > > > > On Jan 9, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > > Yow! Mother Nature *can* be a real bitch. For controlling mice, > nothing > beats a Black Snake (aka Black Racer). I had an army of mice living > in my > garage until a Racer moved in (I found a shed skin in the grage door > springs). They're very thin and can work their way into the smallest > crack. > He didn't even have to catch all the mice; once they sensed him the mice > moved out. > > Charlie > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Chris Crawford > > wrote: > > > Wow, I've never had a cat get eaten. Not much in Indiana that will > > tangle > > with a cat. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, has killed two > > rattlesnakes. When > > I > > lived in Santa Fe, people used to talk of cats being eaten by > > coyotes and > > one person I knew had a cat get eaten by a large owl. That woman had > > several > > horses and she kept complaining that her barn was full of mice and she > > couldn't seem to get rid of them. Noticing that she didn't have any > > cats, I > > suggested getting one to live in the barn. That's when she told me > > that her > > last cat got eaten by the owl that lives in a tree on her property. > > She > > says > > she saw the owl tear her cat apart while it was still alive! That > > traumatized her and she never got another cat. > > > > > > -- > > Chris Crawford > > Photography & Graphic Design > > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > > > > > > On 1/8/09 6:44 PM, "WayneS" wrote: > > > >> Nice sequence. > >> > >> We have a cat who roams our neighborhood, but never lets me get > >> close. > >> > >> Problem in our neighborhood is that predators usually consume cats > >> that > >> roam the neighborhood. We have lost 4 cats. I know one was to a fox. > >> The others were either from a fisher cat or coyotes. > >> > >> Our latest two cats, against my long history with cats, are > >> relegated to > >> indoors. > >> > >> my dude Zeus: > >> http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/zeusey_MG_9273.jpg > >> > >> WayneS > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 17:51:02 2009 Received: (qmail 29665 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 16:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 16:51:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF2B430350 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2F5D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:50:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C2619EA8E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:50:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1400B19EA84 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:50:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:50:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31077 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 16:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 16:50:49 -0000 Message-ID: <49678069.6060904@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:50:49 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <68c593fded957a07840ef95a256d3aee@snap.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <68c593fded957a07840ef95a256d3aee@snap.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090108-0, 01/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Nykon digi to Olympus microscope. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 17:51:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49678076164829347015869 Perhaps the place to start is to have him view the phototmicro group pages of the eSIF to see if he can identify what he has. Be sure to check out the system brochures at the bottom of the page too: Chuck Norcutt bj@caverock.net.nz wrote: > Hi all, > > An old friend and one-time colleague works in the USDA Forest Service (CA) > as a plant pathologist. > > He just sent me a query about fitting a Nykon digi camera to an Olympus > microscope. I don't know the answer. Can anyone here help? > > Here's his query: > >> Quick question. My lab just acquired an Olympus stereoscopic microscope, >> with attached close up lens. The lens is as expected an Olympus lens. > It >> appears to be a specialty lens made specifically for the scope. It has a >> bayonet mount, and I have only Nikon and Cannon bodies. Can I obtain a >> T-mount to tie the Oly scope to my Nikon Digital camera ? Scope was US >> Gov't surplus and it cost my lab nothing. I have a hold on 3 other >> microscopes and will go to look at them before accepting them. The first >> one was ordered blind, along with fridge freezer. I removed the lens >> and found out it is a 2x converter that fits into the body of the camera >> at one end and the microscope at the other end. It has no way to mount >> another lens in front of it. The scope has a secondary tube to which I >> could mount my Nikon. I was hoping to use the Olympus tube because it > has >> f stop control and depth of focus is usually the limitation of these >> machines. > > Cheers, Brian Swale > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 17:55:05 2009 Received: (qmail 15507 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 16:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 16:55:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84073430367 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:55:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBA8D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF273610005 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:54:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FFE34AC02D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:54:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:54:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1210 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 16:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090108-0, 01/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 17:55:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49678169278597927319144 The problem solves itself. Nothing to eat and he'll move on. It's also why I don't bother to kill spiders in the house (depending on where you live). If there are no other insects to eat you won't have spiders for very long since they'll starve to death. Chuck Norcutt Nicoletta Da Ros wrote: > uh... but how did you get *him* to move out when his job was done?!? > > nico. > > > > > On Jan 9, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > > Yow! Mother Nature *can* be a real bitch. For controlling mice, > nothing > beats a Black Snake (aka Black Racer). I had an army of mice living > in my > garage until a Racer moved in (I found a shed skin in the grage door > springs). They're very thin and can work their way into the smallest > crack. > He didn't even have to catch all the mice; once they sensed him the mice > moved out. > > Charlie > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Chris Crawford > > wrote: > >> Wow, I've never had a cat get eaten. Not much in Indiana that will >> tangle >> with a cat. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, has killed two >> rattlesnakes. When >> I >> lived in Santa Fe, people used to talk of cats being eaten by >> coyotes and >> one person I knew had a cat get eaten by a large owl. That woman had >> several >> horses and she kept complaining that her barn was full of mice and she >> couldn't seem to get rid of them. Noticing that she didn't have any >> cats, I >> suggested getting one to live in the barn. That's when she told me >> that her >> last cat got eaten by the owl that lives in a tree on her property. >> She >> says >> she saw the owl tear her cat apart while it was still alive! That >> traumatized her and she never got another cat. >> >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Photography & Graphic Design >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. >> >> >> >> On 1/8/09 6:44 PM, "WayneS" wrote: >> >>> Nice sequence. >>> >>> We have a cat who roams our neighborhood, but never lets me get >>> close. >>> >>> Problem in our neighborhood is that predators usually consume cats >>> that >>> roam the neighborhood. We have lost 4 cats. I know one was to a fox. >>> The others were either from a fisher cat or coyotes. >>> >>> Our latest two cats, against my long history with cats, are >>> relegated to >>> indoors. >>> >>> my dude Zeus: >>> http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/zeusey_MG_9273.jpg >>> >>> WayneS >>> >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 18:20:15 2009 Received: (qmail 18017 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 17:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 17:20:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0406A43029F for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2E2D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67C534AC013 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:20:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FAF34AC00F for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:20:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19652 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 17:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 17:20:02 -0000 Message-ID: <49678741.4070806@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:20:01 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090108183307.022a0978@zuik.net> <14883a8b0901090636v635ec6c5l500a874e6300de3d@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0901090822i2d0a7711ud37a554ba1925318@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0901090822i2d0a7711ud37a554ba1925318@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090108-0, 01/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Backyard Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 18:20:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967874f307471073733319 Unlike most snakes, a black snake will also stop, face you and rear up to defend himself if you chase him and get too close. I've had that happen at distances of 3-4 meters. Most snakes will just keep skedaddling as fast as they can unless you get so close they have no choice. Chuck Norcutt Charles Geilfuss wrote: > That's the beauty of it, I don't have to. He comes and goes as he pleases. > Snakes will actively hunt a territory and his territory includes a portion > of the woods next to my house, my front and back yards, my garage and even > the walls of the house. Where the mice go he will follow. They are > wonderfully efficient predators. I come across him regularly in the yard and > garage. When he senses me he slithers off at a rate faster than I can run. > I've heard stories of farmers catching them and releasing them in their > barns for rodent control; but I'll be damned if I know how they catch them. > They are very fast. > > Charlie > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Nicoletta Da Ros wrote: > >> uh... but how did you get *him* to move out when his job was done?!? >> >> nico. >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 9, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: >> >> Yow! Mother Nature *can* be a real bitch. For controlling mice, >> nothing >> beats a Black Snake (aka Black Racer). I had an army of mice living >> in my >> garage until a Racer moved in (I found a shed skin in the grage door >> springs). They're very thin and can work their way into the smallest >> crack. >> He didn't even have to catch all the mice; once they sensed him the mice >> moved out. >> >> Charlie >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Chris Crawford >> >> wrote: >>> Wow, I've never had a cat get eaten. Not much in Indiana that will >>> tangle >>> with a cat. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, has killed two >>> rattlesnakes. When >>> I >>> lived in Santa Fe, people used to talk of cats being eaten by >>> coyotes and >>> one person I knew had a cat get eaten by a large owl. That woman had >>> several >>> horses and she kept complaining that her barn was full of mice and she >>> couldn't seem to get rid of them. Noticing that she didn't have any >>> cats, I >>> suggested getting one to live in the barn. That's when she told me >>> that her >>> last cat got eaten by the owl that lives in a tree on her property. >>> She >>> says >>> she saw the owl tear her cat apart while it was still alive! That >>> traumatized her and she never got another cat. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Crawford >>> Photography & Graphic Design >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>> >>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >>> >>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >>> >>> http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/8/09 6:44 PM, "WayneS" wrote: >>> >>>> Nice sequence. >>>> >>>> We have a cat who roams our neighborhood, but never lets me get >>>> close. >>>> >>>> Problem in our neighborhood is that predators usually consume cats >>>> that >>>> roam the neighborhood. We have lost 4 cats. I know one was to a fox. >>>> The others were either from a fisher cat or coyotes. >>>> >>>> Our latest two cats, against my long history with cats, are >>>> relegated to >>>> indoors. >>>> >>>> my dude Zeus: >>>> http://www.zuik.net/OM-4t/zeusey_MG_9273.jpg >>>> >>>> WayneS >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 18:35:10 2009 Received: (qmail 9674 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 17:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 17:35:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E17543029A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4CCD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:34:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E1434AC02C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:34:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE58934AC016 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:34:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so3309512ywa.80 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:34:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.106.19 with SMTP id e19mr1250238wfc.306.1231522497260; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:34:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:34:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901090934k65a024ffy807e1993f3692cb9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:34:57 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4966DF73.2070802@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net> <4966DF73.2070802@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 18:35:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49678ace162701702588592 On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Moose wrote: > WayneS wrote: >> Very very nice. >> >> Oly missed the boat not enabling OM'ers the way a Can*n FF does. >> > > That seems a bit unfair. Although Oly dragged their feet for a while > about an OM to 4/3 adapter, they did give in. Although they weren't > sufficient in my mind, they did, in fact, have some valid concerns about > exposure issues. And frankly, if I were them, I'd much prefer that any > such adaptations be done through third party adapters. Use of the manual > adapters isn't for the technically unskilled. I totally agree. Expressions of abandonment pre-date the E-system by many years. In retrospect it appears that Olympus put little into the OM system from about 1990 onwards -- no more than a couple of great lenses that probably gave them some return for R&D that would play out more fully in the E-system. When Olympus did offer an adapter, they said you probably won't find the results perfectly to your liking, they gave it away for free (mostly), and they published stop ranges for all of the OM lenses where the lenses work best with the adapter. I don't know a single person who uses OM glass exclusively on a digital body. Obviously, most of us don't really enjoy stop-down metering, etc. This goes for 5D users as well, as far as I can tell. Most people's practice has tended to validate exactly what Olympus said prior to releasing the free adapter! (Ken Norton may be the most notable exception to this, but I think he still uses the 14-54 quite a bit. I'll be interested in his comments.) I still remember how pleased I was with the DZ 14-54. (I still am.) There was no feeling of having dropped off a quality level from the Z 35-80/2.8, which is my main lens in the OM system. Not bad for a kit lens. Small wonder that the novelty, with the exception of a couple special lenses, of the OM adapter passed relatively quickly -- for me, at least -- but I don't think I'm alone in saying this. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 18:42:08 2009 Received: (qmail 19529 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 17:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 17:42:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D0E4303F1 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:42:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB619D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:42:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA56934AC016 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:42:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FC734AC009 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:42:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.169]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so10501126wfd.26 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.246.6 with SMTP id t6mr10804147wfh.265.1231522921792; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:42:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901090942v314a0e92k89ef7b85e3a21bcb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:42:01 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> <9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 18:42:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49678c70313951869477228 I rarely use the OM adapter with anything other than the 50/3.5, 90/2, 180/2.8, or 300/4.5. There are others I could use it with, but mostly the DZs cover the ranges as well or better without the inconvenience. (I know that Ken will be out to scalp me of what little hair I have left for saying that ...) Joel W. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:55 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Same here, the first lens I mounted on a digital body was the 50/3.5 (on the > 10D). The focus was easy and result was excellent, I like its tone/color and > bokeh. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > >> > >>> When I tested my Zuikos with the E-1 several years ago, I thought the >>> 50/3.5 was the most natural and easy to use and among the most >>> pleasing in terms of the final result. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 18:48:34 2009 Received: (qmail 10177 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 17:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 17:48:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052D2430298 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B952D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:48:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3165919ED05 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:48:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA37E19ECBD for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:47:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:47:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so10503434wfd.26 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.163.13 with SMTP id l13mr8613230wfe.2.1231523242598; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:47:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901090947n60c6da7fk36ee96c6c737386@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:47:22 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <068F9E8E-1E6D-4439-B74C-9281B2D53FF1@frozenlight.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <50438A4D-44C9-49BD-A737-585C64315BBA@frozenlight.eu> <068F9E8E-1E6D-4439-B74C-9281B2D53FF1@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 4/1/09: last PAD from Poland X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 18:48:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49678df226701702588592 That is exactly how I picture Poland in my imagination. Am I far wrong? Joel W. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > Outdoors fridge: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#451325035_dKpXe-O-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 19:02:49 2009 Received: (qmail 11851 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 18:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 18:02:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C781E1C40F59 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA48D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:02:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883B834AC009 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:02:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0D834AC02C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:02:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 14 days 16:29:52 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-152.ctimail.com [61.93.57.152]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n09I2Zke005006 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:02:36 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n09I2Ya0027902 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:02:35 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <1E36B5A479D84CF3812DD78912C891F6@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net><7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net><49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com><4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com><7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net><4966DF73.2070802@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090934k65a024ffy807e1993f3692cb9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:02:29 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 19:02:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49679148203411023412894 May be not OM exclusively, I planned to use only the Tamron 70-300 (my only AF lens for Canon) for stage shots and I may even replace it with Zuiko 50-250 (did it on the 40D before). May be I was unlucky, all Olympus DSLR I owned had AF problem (E-300 was the best among all, I should have kept it), the E-1 usually failed at the most critical moment (group photo...etc.). For E-3 and E-520, they fail all the time. I hate to rely on AF only, I like to confirm with my eyes. The problem with 4/3 is short focal length, you can never confirm focus with the 11-22 at wide end even with a good viewfinder. BTW, we have to pay for the 4/3 adapter, there was no free lunch here. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" > > I don't know a single person who uses OM glass exclusively on a > digital body. Obviously, most of us don't really enjoy stop-down > metering, etc. This goes for 5D users as well, as far as I can tell. > Most people's practice has tended to validate exactly what Olympus > said prior to releasing the free adapter! (Ken Norton may be the most > notable exception to this, but I think he still uses the 14-54 quite a > bit. I'll be interested in his comments.) > > I still remember how pleased I was with the DZ 14-54. (I still am.) > There was no feeling of having dropped off a quality level from the Z > 35-80/2.8, which is my main lens in the OM system. Not bad for a kit > lens. Small wonder that the novelty, with the exception of a couple > special lenses, of the OM adapter passed relatively quickly -- for me, > at least -- but I don't think I'm alone in saying this. > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 19:07:33 2009 Received: (qmail 16773 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 18:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 18:07:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26CC43036B for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1C2D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:07:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67AE19ED30 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:07:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C5219ED3E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:07:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:07:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 46B91CD01G for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:07:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:07:25 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:07:25 -0800 Message-ID: In-reply-to: <1E36B5A479D84CF3812DD78912C891F6@main> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth Thread-Index: AclyhHyq6poD9J8LTCSTZc3urzLdhgAAGWkQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2009 18:07:25.0949 (UTC) FILETIME=[2092FAD0:01C97285] Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 19:07:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49679265255331234514069 >>BTW, we have to pay for the 4/3 adapter, there was no free lunch here. >> >>C.H.Ling It was only for a limited time, and at initial offering here in the US. I don't think they gave them away for even a year. Everyone pays now Jim --. Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timpe, Jim" >>>BTW, we have to pay for the 4/3 adapter, there was no free lunch here. >>> >>>C.H.Ling > > It was only for a limited time, and at initial offering here in the US. > I don't think they gave them away for even a year. Everyone pays now > > Jim > --. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 19:15:04 2009 Received: (qmail 31604 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 18:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 18:15:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12451430311 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60143D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:14:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4486C19EDA4 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:14:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7284019EDAD for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:14:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Sender first seen 1 mon 14 days 16:42:09 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-216.ctimail.com [61.93.57.216]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n09IEur7007359 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:14:56 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n09IEtwO007093 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:14:55 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <50529662898640D8906C17D86C1C1BBF@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz><9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090942v314a0e92k89ef7b85e3a21bcb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:14:53 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 19:15:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49679428255742070262475 I stop using the long Zuiko on the 4/3 after getting the DZ50-200 and 1.4x. Both 180/2.8 and 300/4.5 has CA issues, with 2x it magnified the problem. I did use 50/3.5, 90/2 and 135/4.5 on the 4/3 for macro. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" >I rarely use the OM adapter with anything other than the 50/3.5, 90/2, > 180/2.8, or 300/4.5. There are others I could use it with, but mostly > the DZs cover the ranges as well or better without the inconvenience. > (I know that Ken will be out to scalp me of what little hair I have > left for saying that ...) > > Joel W. > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:55 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: >> Same here, the first lens I mounted on a digital body was the 50/3.5 (on >> the >> 10D). The focus was easy and result was excellent, I like its tone/color >> and >> bokeh. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ken Norton" >> >>> > >>>> When I tested my Zuikos with the E-1 several years ago, I thought the >>>> 50/3.5 was the most natural and easy to use and among the most >>>> pleasing in terms of the final result. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 19:59:20 2009 Received: (qmail 31112 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 18:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 18:59:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED09A43029F for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:59:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B11D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D3B34AC009 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:59:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A445734AC02C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:59:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A15C9782 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:19:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6346285F-6718-4B81-8930-470B5E08D2B8@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901061802o15baacd3rf6259bed8083e053@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:59:07 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0901061802o15baacd3rf6259bed8083e053@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Going home X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 19:59:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49679e8831911946193717 Thanks, Joel, but I'd like to see that as a larger image -- when you have a moment ... :-) Chris On 7 Jan 2009, at 02:02, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Aloha until we meet again. Here's a parting photo: > > http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3175760200/ > > I went to this location hoping for a big red ball dropping into the > ocean, but instead I was rewarded with somewhat Turneresque clouds. > No complaints. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 20:00:05 2009 Received: (qmail 27603 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 19:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 19:00:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64544303AD for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC46D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CC819EF43 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:59:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82ED19EF34 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:59:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:59:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so3325975ywa.80 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:59:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.110.15 with SMTP id i15mr13927955anc.151.1231527596960; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:59:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:59:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:59:56 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <50529662898640D8906C17D86C1C1BBF@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> <9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090942v314a0e92k89ef7b85e3a21bcb@mail.gmail.com> <50529662898640D8906C17D86C1C1BBF@main> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6a1fec3f377edb11 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 20:00:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49679eb5249071823421471 > > I stop using the long Zuiko on the 4/3 after getting the DZ50-200 and 1.4x. > Both 180/2.8 and 300/4.5 has CA issues, with 2x it magnified the problem. I > did use 50/3.5, 90/2 and 135/4.5 on the 4/3 for macro. > Interesting. My new 300/4.5 Silvernose has yielded absolutely no CA that I've been able to find. In fact, I'm convinced that it's the sharpest 300/4.5 I've encountered too and can be shot wide-open without fear. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 20:08:52 2009 Received: (qmail 30183 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 19:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 19:08:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FB04302AF for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:08:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA538D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E9419EFBB for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:08:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C993719EEEB for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:08:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2973599and.35 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.163.8 with SMTP id l8mr13941259ane.127.1231528124126; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:08:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:08:43 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901090942v314a0e92k89ef7b85e3a21bcb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> <9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090942v314a0e92k89ef7b85e3a21bcb@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ba891a3ed13dd06e Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 20:08:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967a0c481502046811720 > > I rarely use the OM adapter with anything other than the 50/3.5, 90/2, > 180/2.8, or 300/4.5. There are others I could use it with, but mostly > the DZs cover the ranges as well or better without the inconvenience. > (I know that Ken will be out to scalp me of what little hair I have > left for saying that ...) > Nope. No scalping. The DZ lenses are amazing. What's interesting to me, about using the ancient lenses on the E-1 system is that I'm now a far better OM system user. Knowing where the diffraction limits are on a given lens has been quite revealing and pictures from the OM system are benefiting. The 24/2.8 and 35/2.8 give the most incredible 3D-like images with the E-1, the 50/3.5 is just sharp in every way and has a comfortable "relaxed" bokeh that doesn't look awkward or gimmicky. The 100/2.8, although sharp, doesn't yield the same bokeh characteristics that it does on film (mysteries of the universe), and the 200/4, which is typically rather pedestrian on film, is incredible on the E-1. The 300/4.5 is just plain wonderful on both systems. Life is good. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 20:10:15 2009 Received: (qmail 31353 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 19:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 19:10:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D7A430350 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2BBD0404B for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA4E19EFBF for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:10:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC55419EEEB for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:10:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so3327818ywa.80 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.178.9 with SMTP id a9mr13968953anf.59.1231528206806; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:10:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:10:06 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <6346285F-6718-4B81-8930-470B5E08D2B8@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901061802o15baacd3rf6259bed8083e053@mail.gmail.com> <6346285F-6718-4B81-8930-470B5E08D2B8@threeshoes.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e571e363262eba9b Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Going home X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 20:10:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967a117216711993019900 > > Thanks, Joel, but I'd like to see that as a larger image -- when you > have a moment ... :-) > In print! I'll be over next week to see it. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 20:13:21 2009 Received: (qmail 9098 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 19:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 19:13:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82404430311 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:13:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAF1D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:13:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF37E34AC009 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:13:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1AA3610001 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:13:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so10541443wfd.26 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.177.5 with SMTP id z5mr10846179wfe.89.1231528391381; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:13:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901091113m3e7c84c2hbfe06dda4792a34b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:13:11 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <50529662898640D8906C17D86C1C1BBF@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> <9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090942v314a0e92k89ef7b85e3a21bcb@mail.gmail.com> <50529662898640D8906C17D86C1C1BBF@main> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 20:13:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967a1d1248301234514069 Perhaps I don't use the long lenses where CA is most likely to hit you in the chops. It's not been a problem for me (though I haven't looked for it either). The 300/4.5 has been useful with the 2x TC, once I had live view available to achieve good focus. At =1200mm the moon walks out of the viewfinder in a hurry! Joel W. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:14 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > I stop using the long Zuiko on the 4/3 after getting the DZ50-200 and 1.4x. > Both 180/2.8 and 300/4.5 has CA issues, with 2x it magnified the problem. I > did use 50/3.5, 90/2 and 135/4.5 on the 4/3 for macro. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Wilcox" > > >>I rarely use the OM adapter with anything other than the 50/3.5, 90/2, >> 180/2.8, or 300/4.5. There are others I could use it with, but mostly >> the DZs cover the ranges as well or better without the inconvenience. >> (I know that Ken will be out to scalp me of what little hair I have >> left for saying that ...) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 20:20:18 2009 Received: (qmail 32039 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 19:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 19:20:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5A24302A8 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE054D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EA234AC02D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:20:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449E334AC009 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:20:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 24C6306BKF for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:20:09 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:20:08 -0800 Message-ID: In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 Thread-Index: AclyjH8zhVstk4GKSWqIxryWot232wAAkmCw From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2009 19:20:09.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[4955F670:01C9728F] Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 20:20:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967a372161934673671140 >>Interesting. My new 300/4.5 Silvernose has yielded absolutely no CA that I've been able to find. In fact, I'm convinced that it's >>the sharpest 300/4.5 I've encountered too and can be shot wide-open without fear.- Should have sent you the black nosed one......... 8^) Jim -- Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment to this email. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 20:30:17 2009 Received: (qmail 20269 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 19:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 19:30:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3954302FF for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE48D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6F034AC00F for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:30:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A0A34AC02D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:30:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so10548560wfd.26 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.177.7 with SMTP id z7mr10861884wfe.59.1231529409242; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:30:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901091130x4200f327od718d700d80dcdd6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:30:09 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> <9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090942v314a0e92k89ef7b85e3a21bcb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 20:30:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967a5c9249141470116606 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> I rarely use the OM adapter with anything other than the 50/3.5, 90/2, >> 180/2.8, or 300/4.5. There are others I could use it with, but mostly >> the DZs cover the ranges as well or better without the inconvenience. >> (I know that Ken will be out to scalp me of what little hair I have >> left for saying that ...) >> > > > Nope. No scalping. Whew! >The DZ lenses are amazing. What's interesting to me, > about using the ancient lenses on the E-1 system is that I'm now a far > better OM system user. Knowing where the diffraction limits are on a given > lens has been quite revealing and pictures from the OM system are > benefiting. I defer to you. Nobody I know of has produced so many photographs via adapter as you. > The 24/2.8 and 35/2.8 give the most incredible 3D-like images with the E-1, > the 50/3.5 is just sharp in every way and has a comfortable "relaxed" bokeh > that doesn't look awkward or gimmicky. The 100/2.8, although sharp, doesn't > yield the same bokeh characteristics that it does on film (mysteries of the > universe), and the 200/4, which is typically rather pedestrian on film, is > incredible on the E-1. The 300/4.5 is just plain wonderful on both systems. I was goofing around with the 24/2.8 last night on the E-1, trying to see if I can figure out a way to get the exposure system to work in any predictable way with an OM adapter, Zuiko, and KatzEye screen. Not working so far, but I will have to shoot and look at the exposures in Lightroom. I'm afraid I've been seriously corrupted by the larger LCDs... You asked me a few days ago what I was going to do with the E-1 and E-330. I'd like to park the OM-adapter on the E-1 and create a little kit of vintage glass for it. The E-330 is small enough in scale that it would be nice to get a couple of the small zooms introduced with the 400 series for it. But have you priced those lenses lately? It's more cost effective to buy the 420 with the kit lenses than buy the lenses by themselves. The camera is almost free if you're willing to pay the price of the lenses. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 20:33:56 2009 Received: (qmail 20865 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 19:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 19:33:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231BA4303AD for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42F0D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:33:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6CF19F0B0 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:33:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F19619F0B9 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:33:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so10550094wfd.26 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.103.2 with SMTP id a2mr10856105wfc.164.1231529628733; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:33:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901091133q57a85874r78347db7d98895f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:33:48 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <6346285F-6718-4B81-8930-470B5E08D2B8@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901061802o15baacd3rf6259bed8083e053@mail.gmail.com> <6346285F-6718-4B81-8930-470B5E08D2B8@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Going home X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 20:33:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967a6a4139191234514069 Chris, Try click the slideshow button and then pause the slideshow. The image will be larger in that format. Joel W. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, Joel, but I'd like to see that as a larger image -- when you > have a moment ... :-) > > Chris > > On 7 Jan 2009, at 02:02, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> Aloha until we meet again. Here's a parting photo: >> >> http://flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/3175760200/ >> >> I went to this location hoping for a big red ball dropping into the >> ocean, but instead I was rewarded with somewhat Turneresque clouds. >> No complaints. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 20:41:48 2009 Received: (qmail 14658 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 19:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 19:41:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3781C1C40F53 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:41:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475EBD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3585519F102 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:41:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B5819F0DB for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:41:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.250]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so9541767rvb.50 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.139.5 with SMTP id m5mr8752239wfd.16.1231530101193; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:41:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901091141q371e96e6pef5f146a370803c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:41:41 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901061802o15baacd3rf6259bed8083e053@mail.gmail.com> <6346285F-6718-4B81-8930-470B5E08D2B8@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Going home X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 20:41:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967a87c87761838542571 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Thanks, Joel, but I'd like to see that as a larger image -- when you >> have a moment ... :-) >> > > > In print! I'll be over next week to see it. > > :) > > AG You know, I don't like the way it looks on this monitor or the one at home. That's the problem with doing photo darkroom on laptops. I think it's over-processed. Somebody went berserk with Lightroom, and I think him is we. Prolly the ones I did on the plane are just as bad since you can't even properly open a laptop on a 767. But you're welcome to come over next week. Let's put two 35-80's in the same room and see if they'll create offspring. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 20:45:13 2009 Received: (qmail 4112 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 19:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 19:45:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679924303FB for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BEEAD0404B for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:45:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DD319F138 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:45:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4266519F100 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:45:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0275B0607 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:45:00 +1100 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F8GSxaXyrnAo for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:44:56 +1100 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B290B0601 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:44:56 +1100 (EST) Received: from c122-107-121-205.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au ([122.107.121.205] helo=[10.0.1.198]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LLNHt-0004cc-7o for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:44:57 +1100 Message-Id: <172C60B4-ADAA-4A3B-BF14-00B5EC4D2A57@wildskies.net> From: Brent To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:44:56 +1100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wildskies.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 20:45:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967a94920411342116753 All those photos were taken with my old silver-nose 50mm f1.4 OM Zuiko. Brent On 09/01/2009, at 10:56 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > What did you shoot the purple flower with? It has magnificent bokeh > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 21:08:25 2009 Received: (qmail 29874 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 20:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 20:08:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013F54303DA for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:08:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04CED0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:08:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31D734AC009 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:08:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886BD34AC00F for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:08:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2984144and.35 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:08:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.173.18 with SMTP id v18mr14005455ane.17.1231531695792; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:08:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:08:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:08:15 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901090934k65a024ffy807e1993f3692cb9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20090107212021.01105458@zuik.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net> <4966DF73.2070802@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090934k65a024ffy807e1993f3692cb9@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1a73fe14b218c69f Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 21:08:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967aeb9279523675314703 Joel wrote: > I totally agree. Expressions of abandonment pre-date the E-system by > many years. And I was EXTREMELY vocal--only an effort by Bill Barber kept me in the fold. It's amazing that I haven't completely abandoned the brand. However, in fairness, I've only spent $1026 on Olympus digital gear and haven't upgraded, added or committed to the E-system beyond the initial E-1 with 14-54 investment. So maybe I'm still hedging my bets. But part of that is the rediscovery of the OM system and the dedication to resurrecting and pushing this "old technology" to new heights. > I don't know a single person who uses OM glass exclusively on a > digital body. Obviously, most of us don't really enjoy stop-down > metering, etc. This goes for 5D users as well, as far as I can tell. > Most people's practice has tended to validate exactly what Olympus > said prior to releasing the free adapter! (Ken Norton may be the most > notable exception to this, but I think he still uses the 14-54 quite a > bit. I'll be interested in his comments.) > The 14-54 is an outstanding lens in nearly every way. I can grouse about it not being a constant-aperture F2.8, but the fall-off at the long end is very minimal. The lens is terrific for event and wedding work and is almost an all-in-one lens which could be glued in place. For all of my "paying work", I could use it almost exclusively. An argument could possibly be made that I am among the most experienced with using the classic Zuikos on the E-system, but I'm not alone. I believe one thing that I do differently, however, is that I don't apologize or make excuses for using them. I let the results speak for themselves. I wouldn't mind the convenience of the 50-200, but as long as I'm able to be competitive with the old stuff, it's more a function of convenience than anything else. The following link is of a recent shoot using the Tokina AT-X 100-300/4 lens with adaptor on the E-1. The fact is, autofocus would NOT have helped greatly with this set of pictures because with thousands of birds wheeling about, the one bird you are tracking would go out of focus the moment another passed in front of it. And the only way to get a shot of a fish-snatch was to pick a bird and start tracking it 20 seconds before when it entered the pattern. http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=335&Itemid=1 I still remember how pleased I was with the DZ 14-54. (I still am.) > There was no feeling of having dropped off a quality level from the Z > 35-80/2.8, which is my main lens in the OM system. Not bad for a kit > lens. Small wonder that the novelty, with the exception of a couple > special lenses, of the OM adapter passed relatively quickly -- for me, > at least -- but I don't think I'm alone in saying this. > I'm still in the "awe" stage with the 35-80/2.8 lens. It'll be about a month before I'm going to be able to really start using this lens with gusto, but initial testing has revealed that this is a real gem of a lens with great convenience. Joel would hand me his to try out, but I resisted the urge as I figured that living as an Amish person was the better way to go. You don't miss that which you never had. Besides, for many years I did have the Tokina AT-X 35-70/2.8 which was no slouch. I've been blessed with an AWESOME collection of OM gear now and feel as unrestricted equipment-wise as I've ever been in my life. For years, my kit was considered to be rather humble, but I maximized it the best I could. The kit is now anything but humble and I'm challenging myself to maximize it the best I can--I owe it to myself and the others who have invested in me. I'm really looking forward to the 2009 shooting season which will be primarily shot on film!!!! (Yes, I'm marketing myself as a film wedding shooter). For those wondering how to resist the siren song of the Canon 5D Mk2, may I suggest getting the OM-3Ti? Digital? What's that? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 21:16:02 2009 Received: (qmail 7084 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 20:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 20:16:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA3C4302B6 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566C0D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:15:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3D334AC009 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:15:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6BD334AC035 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:15:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2985404and.35 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:15:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.108.9 with SMTP id g9mr13979946anc.137.1231532151672; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:15:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:15:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:15:51 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0af3bbf527310acb Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 21:16:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967b082149651023412894 > > Should have sent you the black nosed one......... 8^) > But who is going to polish all that chrome? :) AG-Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 21:22:15 2009 Received: (qmail 7135 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 20:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 20:22:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9656A4302BF for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4CBD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:22:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A2334AC02C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:22:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECE534AC00F for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:22:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from cl39.gs02.gridserver.com (cl39.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.48]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50464 helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cl39.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LLNro-0001Bu-Px for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:22:05 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:21:22 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] bokeh Thread-Index: Aclyl9ZvFNyqmd6LEd27LgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <172C60B4-ADAA-4A3B-BF14-00B5EC4D2A57@wildskies.net> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 21:22:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967b1f7204041585427447 Interesting. I thought the out of focus areas were harsh on many of the photos, but on that one, the purple flowers, it was nice. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 1/9/09 2:44 PM, "Brent" wrote: > All those photos were taken with my old silver-nose 50mm f1.4 OM Zuiko. > > Brent > > On 09/01/2009, at 10:56 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > >> What did you shoot the purple flower with? It has magnificent bokeh >> >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Photography & Graphic Design >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 21:27:33 2009 Received: (qmail 24616 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 20:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 20:27:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1371A1C40515 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB47CD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D66A3610001 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:27:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B9734AC02C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:27:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 9A9D543EM4 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:27:25 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:27:25 -0800 Message-ID: In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 Thread-Index: AclylxqQOsYPKdcHRwuMVblfe+PxrQAAQNQA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2009 20:27:25.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF56B320:01C97298] Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 21:27:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967b33511854673671140 >But who is going to polish all that chrome? :) >AG-Schnozz You know, you really need something like this to be your camera transport vehicle. http://www.texasccs.com/TCCS57OLDS.html Jim -- Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. 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Nobody I know of has produced so many photographs via > adapter as you. > I estimate 15 thousand pictures with the adapter. Over 1/3 of all pictures I take with the E-1 are with the adapted lenses. No, I'm not afraid of a little stop-down metering. :) > I was goofing around with the 24/2.8 last night on the E-1, trying to > see if I can figure out a way to get the exposure system to work in > any predictable way with an OM adapter, Zuiko, and KatzEye screen. > Not working so far, but I will have to shoot and look at the exposures > in Lightroom. I'm afraid I've been seriously corrupted by the larger > LCDs... > The KatzEye is probably your biggest problem. I couldn't get it to work for me without wild swings in exposure. Ended up just shooting in manual-exposure mode. It was also weird because the split-image goes backwards to the ones in my 2-13 screens. In otherwords, against the movement of the focus ring. One trick when shooting with classic lenses on the E-1 (and E-3 from my testing) is to check the histogram and make sure that your mid-tone hump is centered. Don't worry about the ends of the histogram, just make sure your mid-tones are exposed correctly. You'll get richer colors AND you'll benefit from the different contrasting of the older lenses which contribute to a smoother roll-off in your shoulder and toe regions. During the RAW conversion stage, you'll usually need to bump up your mid-tones a bit, but the shadows and highlights will hold details you would have lost otherwise. > You asked me a few days ago what I was going to do with the E-1 and > E-330. I'd like to park the OM-adapter on the E-1 and create a little > kit of vintage glass for it. The E-330 is small enough in scale that > it would be nice to get a couple of the small zooms introduced with > the 400 series for it. But have you priced those lenses lately? It's > more cost effective to buy the 420 with the kit lenses than buy the > lenses by themselves. The camera is almost free if you're willing to > pay the price of the lenses. > If you do decide to part with your ultra-clean E-1, (mine looks like a NYC transit-bus in comparison) my friend over here is looking for a backup to his E-3. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 21:43:54 2009 Received: (qmail 28801 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 20:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 20:43:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490491C4050B for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:43:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966F0D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F82719F33E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:43:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B4119F2FC for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:43:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.155]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so3344135ywa.80 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.48.19 with SMTP id v19mr14003617anv.46.1231533823053; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:43:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:43:43 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901091141q371e96e6pef5f146a370803c8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901061802o15baacd3rf6259bed8083e053@mail.gmail.com> <6346285F-6718-4B81-8930-470B5E08D2B8@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901091141q371e96e6pef5f146a370803c8@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 425b478105ff2431 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Going home X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 21:43:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967b70a245578512572685 > > But you're welcome to come over next week. Let's put two 35-80's in > the same room and see if they'll create offspring. > Let's see if a Saturday in January is in our future. Maybe Tom can join us--if we can get him away from his SO. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 21:57:46 2009 Received: (qmail 5964 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 20:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 20:57:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAE24302AF for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E29D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:57:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E147C19F3C7 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:57:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336A119F3C8 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:57:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.241]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:57:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so9572306rvb.50 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:57:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.134.20 with SMTP id h20mr10871693wfd.342.1231534658772; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:57:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:57:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901091257g52f69fb5i63af9fe19b06c9d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:57:38 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <1E36B5A479D84CF3812DD78912C891F6@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net> <4966DF73.2070802@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090934k65a024ffy807e1993f3692cb9@mail.gmail.com> <1E36B5A479D84CF3812DD78912C891F6@main> Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 21:57:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967ba4a83902070262475 You snipped the part where I wrote that the adapter was "free (mostly)" because I realize that it was not free everywhere. Nevertheless, it was free in some places. I suspect this was a decision made by Olympus in each area of the world rather than by Olympus Japan. Given your experience with AF and mine (E-1, E-330 somewhat spotty with 50-200, otherwise good; E-3 FANTASTIC!), I'd say either you are overly critical or I am not critical enough. Perhaps it is a bit of both. Every marque has owners who think the AF of their camera is crap and I'm sure many of them are right. The consumer is part of the quality control stream, judging from all of the products I have bought in recent years, many of which have involved my returning them for repair or replacement. Joel W. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:02 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > May be not OM exclusively, I planned to use only the Tamron 70-300 (my only > AF lens for Canon) for stage shots and I may even replace it with Zuiko > 50-250 (did it on the 40D before). > > May be I was unlucky, all Olympus DSLR I owned had AF problem (E-300 was the > best among all, I should have kept it), the E-1 usually failed at the most > critical moment (group photo...etc.). For E-3 and E-520, they fail all the > time. > > I hate to rely on AF only, I like to confirm with my eyes. The problem with > 4/3 is short focal length, you can never confirm focus with the 11-22 at > wide end even with a good viewfinder. > > BTW, we have to pay for the 4/3 adapter, there was no free lunch here. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Wilcox" > >> >> I don't know a single person who uses OM glass exclusively on a >> digital body. Obviously, most of us don't really enjoy stop-down >> metering, etc. This goes for 5D users as well, as far as I can tell. >> Most people's practice has tended to validate exactly what Olympus >> said prior to releasing the free adapter! (Ken Norton may be the most >> notable exception to this, but I think he still uses the 14-54 quite a >> bit. I'll be interested in his comments.) >> >> I still remember how pleased I was with the DZ 14-54. (I still am.) >> There was no feeling of having dropped off a quality level from the Z >> 35-80/2.8, which is my main lens in the OM system. Not bad for a kit >> lens. Small wonder that the novelty, with the exception of a couple >> special lenses, of the OM adapter passed relatively quickly -- for me, >> at least -- but I don't think I'm alone in saying this. >> >> Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 22:04:34 2009 Received: (qmail 17046 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 21:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 21:04:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E8D430347 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C64D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E868119F3EB for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:04:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5B219F3E4 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:04:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.56]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 94290 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2009 21:04:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nwTskCwVM1kUD3y7hGg6Z8mOBH0rdUMcZyLgKreHq40DtHlVca2B1YEKB5PieP4XipmA_TNHlqjmQ3lnqh50R0juaZKoz5Eod07oRVEeXZL2VPt6iLzTOR9ePKJZK9ExbE8mUQGzVt2TPBLKK6QOb.jPRcR69gY.PddYFHr2r5JXUpoPOeJyUOSdJPpqhI8E6i7Pe0AV0z7kKjS_SNWLVJDN7lw0Ngqr Received: from [92.237.110.50] by web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:04:21 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <68c593fded957a07840ef95a256d3aee@snap.net.nz> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 21:04:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Wood To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <53327.94202.qm@web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Nykon digi to Olympus microscope. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 22:04:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967bbe2235271993019900 Bryan If=A0your friend can supply a photograph of his microscope and the attached= close up lens, that would help us to help him. =A0-- = Alan Wood http://www.alanwood.net (Unicode, special characters, pesticide names) = ----- Original Message ---- > From: "bj@caverock.net.nz" > To: Olympus group posting > Sent: Friday, 9 January, 2009 4:03:20 > Subject: [OM] (OM) Nykon digi to Olympus microscope. > = > Hi all, > = > An old friend and one-time colleague works in the USDA Forest Service (CA) > as a plant pathologist. > = > He just sent me a query about fitting a Nykon digi camera to an Olympus > microscope. I don't know the answer.=A0 Can anyone here help? > = > Here's his query: > = > > Quick question.=A0 My lab just acquired an Olympus stereoscopic microsc= ope, > > with attached close up lens.=A0 The lens is as expected an Olympus lens= . = > It > > appears to be a specialty lens made specifically for the scope.=A0 It h= as a > > bayonet mount, and I have only Nikon and Cannon bodies.=A0 Can I obtain= a > > T-mount to tie the Oly scope to my Nikon Digital camera ?=A0 Scope was = US > > Gov't surplus and it cost my lab nothing.=A0 I have a hold on 3 other > > microscopes and will go to look at them before accepting them.=A0 The f= irst > > one was ordered blind, along with fridge freezer.=A0 =A0 I removed the = lens > > and found out it is a 2x converter that fits into the body of the camera > > at one end and the microscope at the other end.=A0 It has no way to mou= nt > > another lens in front of it.=A0 The scope has a secondary tube to which= I > > could mount my Nikon.=A0 I was hoping to use the Olympus tube because it > has > > f stop control and depth of focus is usually the limitation of these > > machines.=A0 = > = > Cheers, Brian Swale > = = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 22:05:26 2009 Received: (qmail 22823 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 21:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 21:05:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B631043033E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F44DD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:05:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428AA34AC032 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:05:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F0F34AC02E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:05:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so10589576wfd.26 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.221.11 with SMTP id t11mr53984wfg.238.1231535119490; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:05:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901091305n73e843c1o797d3badb8de77b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:05:19 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e908c1f0901061802o15baacd3rf6259bed8083e053@mail.gmail.com> <6346285F-6718-4B81-8930-470B5E08D2B8@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901091141q371e96e6pef5f146a370803c8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Going home X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 22:05:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967bc1666909347015869 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> But you're welcome to come over next week. Let's put two 35-80's in >> the same room and see if they'll create offspring. >> > > > Let's see if a Saturday in January is in our future. Maybe Tom can join > us--if we can get him away from his SO. :) > > AG How long have they been together? He might be ready. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 22:08:08 2009 Received: (qmail 18587 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 21:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 21:08:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74024303E9 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54F6D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AD034AC02C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:08:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06BE34AC02E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:08:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so3347462yxi.80 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.143.12 with SMTP id q12mr14029490and.22.1231535279889; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:07:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:07:59 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901091257g52f69fb5i63af9fe19b06c9d0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net> <4966DF73.2070802@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090934k65a024ffy807e1993f3692cb9@mail.gmail.com> <1E36B5A479D84CF3812DD78912C891F6@main> <9e908c1f0901091257g52f69fb5i63af9fe19b06c9d0@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c7ae6bd450bc6224 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 22:08:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967bcb8246061234514069 > > Every marque has owners who think the AF of their camera is > crap and I'm sure many of them are right. The consumer is part of the > quality control stream, judging from all of the products I have bought > in recent years, many of which have involved my returning them for > repair or replacement. > I was originally going to buy the Konica-Minolta D7D, but was rightly concerned about the reliability of the unit. KM quality-control was HORRID in those days. By that time, the E-1 had been out for some time and had the reputation of being a brick outhouse. YOU of all people know how green I looked after my avalanche of rocks pounded the snot out of my E-1, but it has never missed a beat. If I recall correctly, your first clue of the incident was the blocked path back to the trail by the debris. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 22:11:15 2009 Received: (qmail 18486 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 21:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 21:11:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E214C430367 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389F0D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274E319F40D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:11:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8A619F400 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:11:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so3347910yxi.80 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.14.6 with SMTP id r6mr10894904wfi.135.1231535467452; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:11:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901091311h5ddad3d8t576f0e6c05323d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:11:07 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> <9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090942v314a0e92k89ef7b85e3a21bcb@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091130x4200f327od718d700d80dcdd6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 22:11:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967bd7371221470116606 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > If you do decide to part with your ultra-clean E-1, (mine looks like a NYC > transit-bus in comparison) my friend over here is looking for a backup to > his E-3. > > AG If I could part with it, I guess it would already be gone. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 22:12:02 2009 Received: (qmail 30076 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 21:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 21:12:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF11D4303AD for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706FFD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:11:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E40919F41A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:11:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45EB19F413 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:11:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:11:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so3348034yxi.80 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:11:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.6.16 with SMTP id 16mr14012961anf.108.1231535515870; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:11:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:11:55 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901091305n73e843c1o797d3badb8de77b1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e908c1f0901061802o15baacd3rf6259bed8083e053@mail.gmail.com> <6346285F-6718-4B81-8930-470B5E08D2B8@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0901091141q371e96e6pef5f146a370803c8@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091305n73e843c1o797d3badb8de77b1@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d087a96356f48a87 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Going home X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 22:12:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967bda218271869477228 > > How long have they been together? He might be ready. > Late Summer, I believe. She had him remodeling the house. My wife was with me so I had to behave myself and not harass him. (another one bites the dust; and another one's gone, and another one's gone) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 22:19:12 2009 Received: (qmail 31872 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 21:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 21:19:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9653430347 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E4FD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:19:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4A019F424 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:19:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4306619F2C6 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:19:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so10595253wfd.26 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.58.2 with SMTP id g2mr10879714wfa.313.1231535942756; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:19:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901091319x7d931dfcsc5f8b3a0c48937cc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:19:02 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> <9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090942v314a0e92k89ef7b85e3a21bcb@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091130x4200f327od718d700d80dcdd6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 22:19:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967bf50271857350615338 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> I was goofing around with the 24/2.8 last night on the E-1, trying to >> see if I can figure out a way to get the exposure system to work in >> any predictable way with an OM adapter, Zuiko, and KatzEye screen. >> Not working so far, but I will have to shoot and look at the exposures >> in Lightroom. I'm afraid I've been seriously corrupted by the larger >> LCDs... > > The KatzEye is probably your biggest problem. I couldn't get it to work for > me without wild swings in exposure. Ended up just shooting in > manual-exposure mode. It was also weird because the split-image goes > backwards to the ones in my 2-13 screens. In otherwords, against the > movement of the focus ring. I was thinking you might enjoy seeing what the KatzEye does. I was disappointed that it didn't work very well with legacy lenses and then realized that that body was probably pretty useless when I lent it to you because of the screen. Sorry about that. Heh, I knew there was something different about the split-image, but I didn't register it as a direction change. That probably means it was developed for a Canikon and adapted later to Olympus. I hadn't seen your shots of the gulls. Wonderful work! Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 22:30:32 2009 Received: (qmail 25451 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 21:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 21:30:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D8B430350 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D254D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8BB19F4B0 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:30:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A109519F491 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:30:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:30:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so3351616ywa.80 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.140.20 with SMTP id n20mr14019639and.135.1231536624839; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:30:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:30:24 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901091319x7d931dfcsc5f8b3a0c48937cc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> <9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090942v314a0e92k89ef7b85e3a21bcb@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091130x4200f327od718d700d80dcdd6@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091319x7d931dfcsc5f8b3a0c48937cc@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 67cf0b09fbaee710 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 22:30:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967c1f8107991257536491 > > I was thinking you might enjoy seeing what the KatzEye does. I was > disappointed that it didn't work very well with legacy lenses and then > realized that that body was probably pretty useless when I lent it to > you because of the screen. Sorry about that. > I knew what I was getting into. The camera served its purpose very well--no problems. I experimented ahead of time so I knew what to expect. It is definitely not a combination I'd want to use in a high-pressure environment in auto-mode. > Heh, I knew there was something different about the split-image, but I > didn't register it as a direction change. That probably means it was > developed for a Canikon and adapted later to Olympus. > Probably Nikon. Canon lenses turn the same direction as Olympus, but I'm not sure how they did their splits. > I hadn't seen your shots of the gulls. Wonderful work! Thank you. I think my last major bird shoot was last year with you when we haunted the eagles over your way. I took these from that little spit of rocks right down by the outflow of Red Rock. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 22:33:57 2009 Received: (qmail 10247 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 21:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 21:33:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C78430401 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9D5D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD1219F4C5 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:33:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F82619F4B9 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so10601394wfd.26 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.142.14 with SMTP id p14mr10888452wfd.202.1231536830081; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:33:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901091333o651db9cch3d2470539d9e0f0d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:33:49 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net> <4966DF73.2070802@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090934k65a024ffy807e1993f3692cb9@mail.gmail.com> <1E36B5A479D84CF3812DD78912C891F6@main> <9e908c1f0901091257g52f69fb5i63af9fe19b06c9d0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 22:33:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967c2c5325258512572685 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Every marque has owners who think the AF of their camera is >> crap and I'm sure many of them are right. The consumer is part of the >> quality control stream, judging from all of the products I have bought >> in recent years, many of which have involved my returning them for >> repair or replacement. > > I was originally going to buy the Konica-Minolta D7D, but was rightly > concerned about the reliability of the unit. KM quality-control was HORRID > in those days. By that time, the E-1 had been out for some time and had the > reputation of being a brick outhouse. YOU of all people know how green I > looked after my avalanche of rocks pounded the snot out of my E-1, but it > has never missed a beat. > > If I recall correctly, your first clue of the incident was the blocked path > back to the trail by the debris. > > AG Not quite the first clue. It's hard to describe the look on your face. Some combination of embarrassment and horror, I guess. I still feel the shock of it, and the elation. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 22:39:28 2009 Received: (qmail 5116 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 21:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 21:39:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848B34302C1 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32CD6D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:39:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C8334AC02E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:39:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06E834AC00C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:39:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.245]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so9588635rvb.50 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.126.6 with SMTP id y6mr5368818wfc.263.1231537162341; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:39:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901091339g532587beobc6b7aed0bf48f56@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:39:22 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> <9e908c1f0901081254l83618fekf4f54398e2b5ea1e@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090942v314a0e92k89ef7b85e3a21bcb@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091130x4200f327od718d700d80dcdd6@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091319x7d931dfcsc5f8b3a0c48937cc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 22:39:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967c41032691035110158 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Thank you. I think my last major bird shoot was last year with you when we > haunted the eagles over your way. I took these from that little spit of > rocks right down by the outflow of Red Rock. > > AG We have eagles regularly fishing just out the back door when the river is open there in the winter. Usually they're active between 8 and 9 AM, so we miss them on work days, but I was home yesterday as I left for work a bit later due to jet-lag and saw them. I wish it were a sure thing so that I could invite you with some expectation of getting a shot or two. It was surely beautiful yesterday, but it was a cold walk in to the office on a first day back from Hawaii. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 22:51:47 2009 Received: (qmail 24049 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 21:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 21:51:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679354303FD for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01ADBD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EB434AC02E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:51:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF4D34AC00C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:51:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2999965and.35 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.93.17 with SMTP id q17mr14027247anb.104.1231537901232; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:51:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:51:41 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901091339g532587beobc6b7aed0bf48f56@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> <9e908c1f0901090942v314a0e92k89ef7b85e3a21bcb@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091130x4200f327od718d700d80dcdd6@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091319x7d931dfcsc5f8b3a0c48937cc@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091339g532587beobc6b7aed0bf48f56@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 482a8940acff4eef Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 22:51:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967c6f3312281234514069 > > We have eagles regularly fishing just out the back door when the river > is open there in the winter. Usually they're active between 8 and 9 > AM, so we miss them on work days, but I was home yesterday as I left > for work a bit later due to jet-lag and saw them. I wish it were a > sure thing so that I could invite you with some expectation of getting > a shot or two. It was surely beautiful yesterday, but it was a cold > walk in to the office on a first day back from Hawaii. > I have an apartment complex out my back door. :( Hmm. I'm thinking of how we can shoot from your deck while staying warm with a shop heater. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 22:55:34 2009 Received: (qmail 4990 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 21:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 21:55:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCAE4303AD for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07ACFD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA1234AC00C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:55:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E3434AC030 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:55:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so3000454and.35 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.152.2 with SMTP id z2mr5265681and.0.1231538127430; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:55:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:55:27 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0901091333o651db9cch3d2470539d9e0f0d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net> <4966DF73.2070802@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090934k65a024ffy807e1993f3692cb9@mail.gmail.com> <1E36B5A479D84CF3812DD78912C891F6@main> <9e908c1f0901091257g52f69fb5i63af9fe19b06c9d0@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091333o651db9cch3d2470539d9e0f0d@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 354e20069be46186 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 22:55:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967c7d631469117217770 > > Not quite the first clue. It's hard to describe the look on your > face. Some combination of embarrassment and horror, I guess. > > I still feel the shock of it, and the elation. > I didn't tell you that I scratched the lens about the same time in a tripod accident. It was a bad day for my E-1 and 14-54. I kept my mouth shut because earlier in the day we were talking about "protective filters". AG (oh, the humanity) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 22:58:37 2009 Received: (qmail 20434 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 21:58:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 21:58:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2CC4303F5 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F5CD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4211B19F53E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:58:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217E919F522 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:58:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4874 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 21:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090108-0, 01/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 22:58:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967c88d259241591313764 I know you think that those pesky black spots on image #2 are actually birds in the distance. But they're not. I magnified the image 10,000 times with my CSI magnifier and determined that they are actually clouds of honeybees. Could be they're the ones that have gone missing all over the country. They probably have to keep flying continuously there in order to keep warm. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > Joel wrote: > >> I totally agree. Expressions of abandonment pre-date the E-system by >> many years. > > > > And I was EXTREMELY vocal--only an effort by Bill Barber kept me in the > fold. It's amazing that I haven't completely abandoned the brand. However, > in fairness, I've only spent $1026 on Olympus digital gear and haven't > upgraded, added or committed to the E-system beyond the initial E-1 with > 14-54 investment. So maybe I'm still hedging my bets. But part of that is > the rediscovery of the OM system and the dedication to resurrecting and > pushing this "old technology" to new heights. > > > >> I don't know a single person who uses OM glass exclusively on a >> digital body. Obviously, most of us don't really enjoy stop-down >> metering, etc. This goes for 5D users as well, as far as I can tell. >> Most people's practice has tended to validate exactly what Olympus >> said prior to releasing the free adapter! (Ken Norton may be the most >> notable exception to this, but I think he still uses the 14-54 quite a >> bit. I'll be interested in his comments.) >> > > > The 14-54 is an outstanding lens in nearly every way. I can grouse about it > not being a constant-aperture F2.8, but the fall-off at the long end is very > minimal. The lens is terrific for event and wedding work and is almost an > all-in-one lens which could be glued in place. For all of my "paying work", > I could use it almost exclusively. > > An argument could possibly be made that I am among the most experienced with > using the classic Zuikos on the E-system, but I'm not alone. I believe one > thing that I do differently, however, is that I don't apologize or make > excuses for using them. I let the results speak for themselves. I wouldn't > mind the convenience of the 50-200, but as long as I'm able to be > competitive with the old stuff, it's more a function of convenience than > anything else. The following link is of a recent shoot using the Tokina > AT-X 100-300/4 lens with adaptor on the E-1. The fact is, autofocus would > NOT have helped greatly with this set of pictures because with thousands of > birds wheeling about, the one bird you are tracking would go out of focus > the moment another passed in front of it. And the only way to get a shot of > a fish-snatch was to pick a bird and start tracking it 20 seconds before > when it entered the pattern. > > http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=335&Itemid=1 > > > I still remember how pleased I was with the DZ 14-54. (I still am.) >> There was no feeling of having dropped off a quality level from the Z >> 35-80/2.8, which is my main lens in the OM system. Not bad for a kit >> lens. Small wonder that the novelty, with the exception of a couple >> special lenses, of the OM adapter passed relatively quickly -- for me, >> at least -- but I don't think I'm alone in saying this. >> > > > I'm still in the "awe" stage with the 35-80/2.8 lens. It'll be about a month > before I'm going to be able to really start using this lens with gusto, but > initial testing has revealed that this is a real gem of a lens with great > convenience. Joel would hand me his to try out, but I resisted the urge as > I figured that living as an Amish person was the better way to go. You > don't miss that which you never had. Besides, for many years I did have the > Tokina AT-X 35-70/2.8 which was no slouch. > > I've been blessed with an AWESOME collection of OM gear now and feel as > unrestricted equipment-wise as I've ever been in my life. For years, my kit > was considered to be rather humble, but I maximized it the best I could. > The kit is now anything but humble and I'm challenging myself to maximize it > the best I can--I owe it to myself and the others who have invested in me. > I'm really looking forward to the 2009 shooting season which will be > primarily shot on film!!!! (Yes, I'm marketing myself as a film wedding > shooter). > > For those wondering how to resist the siren song of the Canon 5D Mk2, may I > suggest getting the OM-3Ti? Digital? What's that? > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 23:24:12 2009 Received: (qmail 332 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 22:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 22:24:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBB643037A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3252D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A171019F64D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:24:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EC219F641 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:24:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so3358255yxi.80 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.154.9 with SMTP id b9mr14046142ane.73.1231539843032; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:24:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:24:02 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <4967C87D.3030209@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49655551.9000209@interisland.net> <49657B58.3040408@chucknorcutt.com> <4965FEBE.3010807@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090108194801.011167d0@zuik.net> <4966DF73.2070802@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901090934k65a024ffy807e1993f3692cb9@mail.gmail.com> <4967C87D.3030209@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2b65ca868a8e9ff8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My OM Zuiko Rebirth X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 23:24:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967ce8c188561838542571 > > I know you think that those pesky black spots on image #2 are actually > birds in the distance. But they're not. I magnified the image 10,000 > times with my CSI magnifier and determined that they are actually clouds > of honeybees. Could be they're the ones that have gone missing all over > the country. They probably have to keep flying continuously there in > order to keep warm. > Ken's Killer Bees Where can I get that magnifying software? Imagine the enlargements we could make with that. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jan 9 23:56:30 2009 Received: (qmail 14352 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 22:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 22:56:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C43C1C40F5B for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:56:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85F6D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:56:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77E819F75C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:56:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[WHOIS_NETSOLPR=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C483319F74B for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:56:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4516 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 22:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 22:56:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4967D613.8040605@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:56:19 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090108-0, 01/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jan 9 23:56:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967d61e225137350615338 Pretec releases CFast card with SATA interface: DP Review While reading this item I noticed that Pretec has also previously announced 48, 64 and 100 GB capacity CF cards. The latter two were announced Sept 23 for demo at Photokina. What do you do with a 100GB card? It's beginning to look like that rotating storage stuff might not be around on down the road. Me thinks maybe DVD and BlueRay might be in trouble too in 5 or 10 years. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 00:12:10 2009 Received: (qmail 27291 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 23:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 23:12:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775994303E9 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:12:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8E9D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7994D34AC00E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:12:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F1734AC00C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:12:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20770 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 23:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 23:12:00 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090109181111.02334968@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:12:06 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: <200901080249.n082n4eV008688@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20090109051018.011283f8@zuik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 00:12:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967d9ca254541702588592 At 06:04 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote: >If you are looking for a long lens that is good up to 1:4 (1:2 in FF >system), the DZ50-200 is not too bad. It is ok for butterfly but don't >expect to shoot bee with it. Good point, and great shots. I did use the 50-200 with 25mm extension with reasonable results. Oly does provide decent close focus with its normal lenses. WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 00:17:16 2009 Received: (qmail 13915 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 23:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 23:17:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B151C40F45 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A935ED0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B01E34AC005 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:17:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, WHOIS_NETSOLPR=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578ED34AC00F for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:17:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:17:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KD800CN38OK8GT1@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:17:08 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-10-60.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.10.60]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:02:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:17:10 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <8888929139C7489FAB97D355B1F54C0D@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtsPADJqZ0kYigo8/2dsb2JhbACBZogzxXYGhWk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,241,1231128000"; d="scan'208";a="403504488" References: <4967D613.8040605@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 00:17:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967dafc200851023412894 Imagine doing a wedding or high society or even a low society shoot with a 100 GB CF card and then having a card malfunction ? Me thinks that low capacity cards is the way to go. Something on the theme of all of one's chickens in the same basket idea. jh ] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus mail list" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs > Pretec releases CFast card with SATA interface: DP Review > > > While reading this item I noticed that Pretec has also previously > announced 48, 64 and 100 GB capacity CF cards. The latter two were > announced Sept 23 for demo at Photokina. What do you do with a 100GB > card? > > It's beginning to look like that rotating storage stuff might not be > around on down the road. Me thinks maybe DVD and BlueRay might be in > trouble too in 5 or 10 years. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 00:22:11 2009 Received: (qmail 3511 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 23:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 23:22:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBF4430413 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C245D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0527519F83A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:22:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECF819F7D7 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:22:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.243]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so9627319rvb.50 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.161.13 with SMTP id j13mr10951341wfe.56.1231543321253; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.101.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:22:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e908c1f0901091522k5695f69dh476258e95401a7e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:22:01 -0600 From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <3c0549fb6a556cb41f3f0450d149299d@snap.net.nz> <9e908c1f0901090942v314a0e92k89ef7b85e3a21bcb@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091130x4200f327od718d700d80dcdd6@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091319x7d931dfcsc5f8b3a0c48937cc@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0901091339g532587beobc6b7aed0bf48f56@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Zuiko macro 50/3.5 and E1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 00:22:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967dc23292222070262475 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> We have eagles regularly fishing just out the back door when the river >> is open there in the winter. Usually they're active between 8 and 9 >> AM, so we miss them on work days, but I was home yesterday as I left >> for work a bit later due to jet-lag and saw them. I wish it were a >> sure thing so that I could invite you with some expectation of getting >> a shot or two. It was surely beautiful yesterday, but it was a cold >> walk in to the office on a first day back from Hawaii. >> > > > I have an apartment complex out my back door. :( > > Hmm. I'm thinking of how we can shoot from your deck while staying warm > with a shop heater. :) > > AG Doesn't every Jeep have a portable bird blind and electrical clothes under the seats somewhere? Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 00:51:46 2009 Received: (qmail 10772 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 23:51:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 23:51:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA964303DA for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83704D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF0134AC02C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:51:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[WHOIS_NETSOLPR=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3E934AC01F for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:51:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:51:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1147 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jan 2009 23:51:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.81.112) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 23:51:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4967E307.3010700@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:51:35 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4967D613.8040605@chucknorcutt.com> <8888929139C7489FAB97D355B1F54C0D@hudson> In-Reply-To: <8888929139C7489FAB97D355B1F54C0D@hudson> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090109-0, 01/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 00:51:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967e31285591257536491 The Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III can write simultaneously to a CF and an SD card. Doesn't the E3 have 2 card slots? Can it write to both simultaneously? Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > Imagine doing a wedding or high society or even a low society shoot with a > 100 GB CF card and then having a card malfunction ? > > Me thinks that low capacity cards is the way to go. > > Something on the theme of all of one's chickens in the same basket idea. > > jh > ] > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus mail list" > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:56 PM > Subject: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs > > >> Pretec releases CFast card with SATA interface: DP Review >> >> >> While reading this item I noticed that Pretec has also previously >> announced 48, 64 and 100 GB capacity CF cards. The latter two were >> announced Sept 23 for demo at Photokina. What do you do with a 100GB >> card? >> >> It's beginning to look like that rotating storage stuff might not be >> around on down the road. Me thinks maybe DVD and BlueRay might be in >> trouble too in 5 or 10 years. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 00:55:30 2009 Received: (qmail 22813 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2009 23:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 23:55:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2701C40F53 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8685D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D8419FA57 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:55:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.819 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.819 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.819, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0915319FA59 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:55:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:55:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c1b.42ec61e5 (42809) for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:55:18 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:55:18 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM-3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 00:55:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967e3f2118563675314703 If in decent condition, a good buy. 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On 1/9/09 6:51 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > The Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III can write simultaneously to a CF and an SD > card. Doesn't the E3 have 2 card slots? Can it write to both > simultaneously? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 01:27:13 2009 Received: (qmail 32746 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2009 00:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jan 2009 00:27:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7F81C4050B for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DC7D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620A719FAEA for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:27:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[WHOIS_NETSOLPR=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2F119FAD2 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:27:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 55731 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2009 00:27:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8JDdt2sVM1mwwzpBS_3JWAJe6H.JnVRRXnmeVrogwlGiXEv6IXoGDPnxAyWp73WgVHhHu5sV6x_NgD1EGcPB9DUZvLSa0KakCbd1POBQWUZMtWds7TuqlJJHHX1O80PdB7VgW7O_yJuIeYwUlZJZ0NWxVwFnNI4u_0QeP5FPiRYj2xRry.uLrXhZYBfVKOauEAtLPA-- Received: from [69.204.7.197] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:27:04 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:27:04 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4967D613.8040605@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <741407.55702.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 01:27:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967eb61252841591313764 ....and I was tickled to get a 2gb memory stick the other day! ha ha. --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > From: Chuck Norcutt > Subject: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs > To: "Olympus mail list" > Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 5:56 PM > Pretec releases CFast card with SATA interface: DP Review > > > While reading this item I noticed that Pretec has also > previously > announced 48, 64 and 100 GB capacity CF cards. The latter > two were > announced Sept 23 for demo at Photokina. What do you do > with a 100GB card? > > It's beginning to look like that rotating storage stuff > might not be > around on down the road. Me thinks maybe DVD and BlueRay > might be in > trouble too in 5 or 10 years. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 01:29:11 2009 Received: (qmail 7598 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2009 00:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jan 2009 00:29:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C430F1C4050A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D25DD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:29:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0F019FAEE for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:29:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.21 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.21 required=7 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.21] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF17619FAD2 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:29:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14977 invoked by uid 502); 10 Jan 2009 00:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (moose@71.139.161.52) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jan 2009 00:29:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4967EBC7.8090409@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:28:55 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4967D613.8040605@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4967D613.8040605@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 01:29:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967ebd694917927319144 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > ... > > It's beginning to look like that rotating storage stuff might not be around on down the road. Me thinks maybe DVD and BlueRay might be in trouble too in 5 or 10 years. > I've read a consumer electronics pundit who suggested that Blue Ray may never become a big volume market like DVD. For many video sources, DVD on a good player, esp. the ones that upsample to HD, the images are either as good as the original allows or pretty close to HD. I have been convinced for some time that Web/Cable/Satellite will in the not distant future offer video on demand that covers everything available on DVD and then some for very low prices, probably in the vicinity of $1-2 of today's dollars. As storage costs go down, this would allow the delivery systems providers to compete and to reap a greater share and absolute $ amount of consumer payments for content. Today, the monthly fees for premium channels offer lots of movies at quite low prices apiece if one watches a fair number per month. If the byte distributor offers a much wider selection available anytime for a comparable price, they cut out the middle man and share only royalties with the video rights owners. The Digital Rights Management structure is already falling into place. Some content from HBO and associated channels is now DRM protected on DISH network. One may record it on the DISH DVR. The DISH firmware will then allow you to copy it to other devices like an external HD (with DRM) or player, but to do so, you must agree to have the DVR copy erased; after copying and can't copy it back. I haven't tried it, but I suppose it wil still be possible to "play" it into an older VCR without DRM built-in, but the system will simply refuse to copy to a HD that doesn't have DRM control. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 01:34:21 2009 Received: (qmail 30209 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2009 00:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jan 2009 00:34:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4425E1C4050D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31604D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFA219FB04 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:33:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, WHOIS_NETSOLPR=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DA119FB02 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:33:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KD800GI3C8DO3J0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:33:49 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-10-60.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.10.60]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:19:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:33:52 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtsPAMd7Z0kYigo8/2dsb2JhbACBZogzxi8GhWk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,242,1231128000"; d="scan'208";a="403537889" References: <4967D613.8040605@chucknorcutt.com> <8888929139C7489FAB97D355B1F54C0D@hudson> <4967E307.3010700@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 01:34:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967ed0d219911993019900 Must check but I don't think so. I use 2GB and sometimes a 4MB card and even then I don't fill them to capacity. The risk of malfunction and loss of the images might be small but any such loss would be a major disapointment. Cards are cheap so why not carry as many as needed before the images can be downloaded to other storage media. 100 GB cards are the equivalent of a roll of film with 100's if not 1000's of exposures. Who in their right mind would commit so many exposures to one roll of film? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs > The Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III can write simultaneously to a CF and an SD > card. Doesn't the E3 have 2 card slots? Can it write to both > simultaneously? > > Chuck Norcutt > > John Hudson wrote: >> Imagine doing a wedding or high society or even a low society shoot with >> a >> 100 GB CF card and then having a card malfunction ? >> >> Me thinks that low capacity cards is the way to go. >> >> Something on the theme of all of one's chickens in the same basket idea. >> >> jh >> ] >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: "Olympus mail list" >> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:56 PM >> Subject: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs >> >> >>> Pretec releases CFast card with SATA interface: DP Review >>> >>> >>> While reading this item I noticed that Pretec has also previously >>> announced 48, 64 and 100 GB capacity CF cards. The latter two were >>> announced Sept 23 for demo at Photokina. What do you do with a 100GB >>> card? >>> >>> It's beginning to look like that rotating storage stuff might not be >>> around on down the road. Me thinks maybe DVD and BlueRay might be in >>> trouble too in 5 or 10 years. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 02:17:51 2009 Received: (qmail 11080 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2009 01:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jan 2009 01:17:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA8D1C40F50 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C99DD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:46:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7986F3610003 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:46:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2C13610001 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:46:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from skopar (d220-238-80-221.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.80.221]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0A0kcXm003741 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:46:49 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:46:35 +1100 Message-ID: <288BD8B146454F5E95BE5825F8AF64E0@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclysGkb13O5uXs1Suy+D8yQIlmn3gADDCkg In-Reply-To: <8888929139C7489FAB97D355B1F54C0D@hudson> Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 02:17:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967f73f114041499373980 > > Me thinks that low capacity cards is the way to go. > The Sony Mavica that used floppy disks was a good idea. ...but then I think a RAID array of 32GB CF cards might work too ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 02:17:52 2009 Received: (qmail 21168 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2009 01:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jan 2009 01:17:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E2D1C40F9D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEDBD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:54:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D013610001 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:54:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7766734AC00F for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:54:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web50702.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50702.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.100]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 74647 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2009 00:54:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6P0WY8oVM1mn.W8_bGhE4Vbg1ERitskxN8GLc9dP9Nn09WIWvzRjqNIy.17dq4ARdmErDVRmcsA.7M8Yv7WtlqfvjoJcRbKNjZFPQ0_K.YacSQXv6w4pBTnMgcaw02IzX3FNRxMFGpF1fLvrucAj59P2w6b8RgpxMBy6S.NNRaMzB_mOLe3UfFD1tM1iV8sqR2IMLYE2Kbq.DABF0xaa5beYgzpa6wDoIQ-- Received: from [216.15.66.120] by web50702.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:54:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:54:54 -0800 (PST) From: Marten Beels To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <437469.72904.qm@web50702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] FS: Olympus Auto Bellows X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 02:17:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967f740205081234514069 All this bellows talk reminds me that I have one to sell. It is in fine shape, I've never been able to detect any evidence of a light leak from photos. http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8393/dsc01836fd5.jpg http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8177/dsc01837ot0.jpg http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/5562/dsc01838od8.jpg How about $75 + actual shipping costs to your zipcode or best offer? Let me know off the list if you're interested. Marten -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 02:17:54 2009 Received: (qmail 14575 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2009 01:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jan 2009 01:17:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B9A1C40546 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55CDD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AD83610002 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:06:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56F034AC030 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:06:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5499 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jan 2009 01:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jan 2009 01:06:03 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090109200245.023000a0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:06:08 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: References: <4967D613.8040605@chucknorcutt.com> <8888929139C7489FAB97D355B1F54C0D@hudson> <4967E307.3010700@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] email address posted in the body X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 02:17:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967f742154611035110158 I noticed a couple of list members are now including the email address of the person they are responding to in the body of the email. I would appreciate if you would leave my email address out of the body of any responses in order to reduce the potential for spam harvesters. Thanks WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 02:17:58 2009 Received: (qmail 8856 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2009 01:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jan 2009 01:17:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3AE1C40FC2 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD68D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:57:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB7A34AC013 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:57:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432F434AC00F for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:57:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1112 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jan 2009 00:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (om3ti@173.48.151.48) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jan 2009 00:57:31 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090109195430.02304c30@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:57:36 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: WayneS In-Reply-To: <200901090225.n092PUgI005082@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200901090225.n092PUgI005082@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] More managed bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 02:17:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967f746264691035110158 At 09:25 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote: >> <***> wrote: > >...Wayne > >Wayne Harridge Not sure if putting peoples email address in the body is a good thing. I would prefer you left mine only in the headers. I'm already starting to get extra spam on my list email address which I only use for this list. Of course, it is always possible a list member has a computer with the flu. WayneS -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 02:18:01 2009 Received: (qmail 3435 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2009 01:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jan 2009 01:18:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FB31C40FA6 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D165D0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F4334AC016 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:11:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E384F34AC00F for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:11:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so3020414and.35 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.110.15 with SMTP id i15mr14086716anc.151.1231549862083; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.31.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:11:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:11:02 -0600 From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" In-Reply-To: <8888929139C7489FAB97D355B1F54C0D@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4967D613.8040605@chucknorcutt.com> <8888929139C7489FAB97D355B1F54C0D@hudson> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3469933c66c8214c Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 02:18:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9995 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4967f749101317927319144 > > Imagine doing a wedding or high society or even a low society shoot with a > 100 GB CF card and then having a card malfunction ? > > Me thinks that low capacity cards is the way to go. > > Something on the theme of all of one's chickens in the same basket idea. > My OM gear only takes 36-exposure CF cards. 4GB CF for the E-1 (380ish exposures) is more than I feel comfortable with, but I always back up critical shots on a second camera with a different CF card or film. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jan 10 02:33:07 2009 Received: (qmail 32527 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2009 01:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jan 2009 01:33:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D351C1C40F3D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E6CD0404A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB7C3610001 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:33:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[WHOIS_NETSOLPR=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A4034AC034 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:32:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13171 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jan 2009 01:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090109-0, 01/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Something to obsolete all of our DSLRs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jan 10 02:33:07 2009