From nilsf Sun Mar 1 00:00:40 2009 Received: (qmail 14636 invoked by uid 0); 28 Feb 2009 23:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 23:00:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC84F430558 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0814D44004F for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC0234AC027 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:00:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E25D34AC024 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:00:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9493 invoked by uid 504); 28 Feb 2009 23:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.111?) (chucknorcutt@72.185.125.232) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 28 Feb 2009 23:00:24 -0000 Message-ID: <49A9C208.40909@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:00:24 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <795413.97703.qm@web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <795413.97703.qm@web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT formatting/partitioning drive X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 00:00:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49a9c218319321234514069 Better to format with NTFS than NFTS guys (New Technology File System) :-) I agree with skipping the partitioning. I don't see any benefit. Defragging only helps if the partition is nearly full and has had a high volume of erasures which create fragmented chunks of free space. Other wise the allocation system will just look for as much sequential free space as it can find. In fact, partitioning will make it more likely that the smaller partitions will need to be defragged. One or more of them is more likely to run up against your arbitrary boundaries. Old habits die hard. :-) Chuck Norcutt JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > Using NFTS...only reason for partitioning is that it makes it easier/quicker if I need to defrag a section. > > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > > .......................................................................... > --- On Sat, 28/2/09, Simon Worby wrote: > >> From: Simon Worby >> Subject: Re: [OM] OT formatting/partitioning drive >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Date: Saturday, 28 February, 2009, 5:47 PM >> I can't see any benefit whatsoever in partitioning it at >> all. Just >> create directories in the root for the various >> "subjects" you wish to >> back up. (We're not in the dark old days of DOS any >> more, you know!) >> >> Presumably you intend to format NFTS? >> >> Simon Worby >> -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 14:41:49 2009 Received: (qmail 26971 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 13:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 13:41:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929C9430200 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9795C44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853BC34AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:41:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CBE34AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:41:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301134140.BQQC4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:41:40 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:41:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 14:41:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aa909d232014673671140 Hum. No list traffic overnight here in US EST. Wonder why that is. Not all _that_ unusual. Maybe we've burned ourselves out on all this pizza talk. Everyone's out gorging--hey, a simultaneous global gorge! Or maybe it's because I upgraded my Mac to Leopard. Just getting around to it because I didn't want to do it back when the season was hopping. Dead of winter's a better time. It seemed to go flawlessly. I even got some mail. Much easter than previous system upgrades. All software seems to work as intended, especially CS3 and MS Office, the two biggies I need. Oh, well. I suppose time will tell. That new Time Machine feature is pretty damned spiffy! --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 14:45:52 2009 Received: (qmail 11011 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 13:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 13:45:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BE54301EB for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:45:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962C444004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:45:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8908119E26A for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:45:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4B119E255 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:45:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:45:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301134546.BOEJ3201.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:45:46 +0000 Message-Id: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:45:45 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 14:45:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aa9190162791946193717 Okay . . . the message _I_ sent to the list came through. Hum. That must mean Leopard is working as it should. Oh, well, maybe everyone's busy. It's Sunday afternoon in Europe. Perhaps it's a lovely day in early spring and everyone is outside. Or maybe Godzilla is devouring Brussels and everyone's glued to their TV sets. Those who aren't running for their lives. Sigh. Hope I don't have to talk to myself all day. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 1, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Hum. No list traffic overnight here in US EST. Wonder why that is. Not > all _that_ unusual. Maybe we've burned ourselves out on all this pizza > talk. Everyone's out gorging--hey, a simultaneous global gorge! > > Or maybe it's because I upgraded my Mac to Leopard. Just getting > around to it because I didn't want to do it back when the season was > hopping. Dead of winter's a better time. It seemed to go flawlessly. I > even got some mail. Much easter than previous system upgrades. All > software seems to work as intended, especially CS3 and MS Office, the > two biggies I need. > > Oh, well. I suppose time will tell. > > That new Time Machine feature is pretty damned spiffy! > > --Bob Whitmire > "Art's just fart without the eff." > www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 14:48:43 2009 Received: (qmail 11496 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 13:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 13:48:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6BE4301C3 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3397544004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:48:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A46A34AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:48:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA75C34AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:48:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301134836.BOWT3201.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:48:36 +0000 Message-Id: <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:48:35 -0500 References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 14:48:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aa923b40803675314703 Hey, if Godzilla really is out there, you folks in the neighborhood don't forget in the midst of your blind panic to get some good shots, preferably using original OM equipment, and post them to the list as soon as you can. Assuming you survive, that is. And if you don't, throw yourselves on the camera to protect it. Eventually, someone will find it and develop the film. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 1, 2009, at 8:45 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Or maybe Godzilla is devouring > Brussels and everyone's glued to their TV sets. Those who aren't > running for their lives. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 14:57:10 2009 Received: (qmail 843 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 13:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 13:57:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451844301BB for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:57:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3867C44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF0D19E276 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:57:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68C119E2A5 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:57:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LdmAC-0008Fg-04 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:57:04 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LdmAB-0004nm-KS for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:57:03 +0000 Message-ID: <49AA9430.30202@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:57:04 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 14:57:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aa943613681744846740 Bob Whitmire wrote: > Hey, if Godzilla really is out there, you folks in the neighborhood > don't forget in the midst of your blind panic to get some good shots, > preferably using original OM equipment, and post them to the list as > soon as you can. Assuming you survive, that is. And if you don't, > throw yourselves on the camera to protect it. Eventually, someone will > find it and develop the film. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > Oh hi, Bob. I'm here. Been reading the manual for the E-400 while the wife is overnighting with a friend in a hotel in Glasgow, after a charity do. Blustery showers here and no sign of Godzilla. Cup of tea and whatever nibblies I can discover in the kitchen... ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 15:02:43 2009 Received: (qmail 22473 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 14:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 14:02:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1616843013D for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:02:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8976844004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C54819E2B2 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:02:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3377D19E2B0 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:02:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301140231.RGCF12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:02:31 +0000 Message-Id: <05CE30E7-90FB-417F-9A05-C46B74F8FBE1@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49AA9430.30202@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:02:30 -0500 References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> <49AA9430.30202@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 15:02:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aa958345011023412894 Oh, Thank The Gods! I am not alone! Actually, sounds like a better way to spend a day than worrying about whether there's any traffic on the camera list. When my wife goes off for a weekend, I usually go to the video store and rent a pile of movies she'd object to having in the house. And no, not _those_! I mean flicks such as The Departed, No Country for Old Men, Kelly's Heroes, etc. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 1, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Donald wrote: > Blustery showers here and no sign of Godzilla. Cup of tea and whatever > nibblies I can discover in the kitchen... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 15:04:28 2009 Received: (qmail 30704 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 14:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 14:04:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C34843016A for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:04:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CA844004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2145634AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:04:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E9934AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:04:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m28so915873wag.14 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 06:04:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.16.14 with SMTP id t14mr2147293wai.185.1235916261534; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 06:04:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:04:21 +1000 Message-ID: From: Marc Lawrence To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 15:04:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aa95ec224851023412894 On 01/03/2009, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Hey, if Godzilla really is out there... Hmm, going a bit stir on your lonesome, Bob? A bit Jack Nicholson "Heeere's Johnny!"? Well, don't you worry, there's more than you still here, even if some might be approaching midnight and about to snuff the candles (writing this from bed on an iPod Touch - I don't recommend it. Cursed stubby, fat fingers!). I bought a new DSLR on Saturday. It's not an Oly though; it's a Canon, updating from my "ancient" 10D. I still haven't unboxed it though, still waiting for sufficient quiet time to give due reverence. ;-) Tomorrow should be right though. Anyway someone's (only just) here. G'day. Stay away from the axe. Cheers, Marc -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 15:07:23 2009 Received: (qmail 15595 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 14:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 14:07:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A18D4301C9 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:07:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2D844004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B5134AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:07:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC0C34AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:07:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:07:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C8946158A for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:26:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:07:14 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 15:07:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aa969b71102070262475 You've certainly taken your time, Bob. I have backups on Time Machine going back to last Summer and it works a treat. Back then I upgraded my iMac to the 24" jobbie (2.8GHz//2Gb/750Gb) and restored my files using Time Machine backups. I did the same with my MacBook when it had to have the HD replaced. It's automatic piece of mind, although I might try the Moose trick of changing to another drive to preserve what I have now somewhere else in the house. I don't use MS Office now. I have Open Office to supplement what iWork doesn't do (not much). It's not completely free as I donated some dosh, but it is certainly cheaper than MS Office. Chris On 1 Mar 2009, at 13:41, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Hum. No list traffic overnight here in US EST. Wonder why that is. Not > all _that_ unusual. Maybe we've burned ourselves out on all this pizza > talk. Everyone's out gorging--hey, a simultaneous global gorge! > > Or maybe it's because I upgraded my Mac to Leopard. Just getting > around to it because I didn't want to do it back when the season was > hopping. Dead of winter's a better time. It seemed to go flawlessly. I > even got some mail. Much easter than previous system upgrades. All > software seems to work as intended, especially CS3 and MS Office, the > two biggies I need. > > Oh, well. I suppose time will tell. > > That new Time Machine feature is pretty damned spiffy! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 15:16:34 2009 Received: (qmail 22402 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 14:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 14:16:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D737430136 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:16:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9D244004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDD619E2EE for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:16:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7D919E2DF for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:16:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513434615ED for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:36:10 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <367B79B1-3C01-47BF-89ED-C473D4C820C5@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:16:27 +0000 References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 15:16:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aa98c221081234514069 Well, I've been dragooned into helping to clean out our Annex; this included removing all my darkroom stuff which has been gathering dust and doing nothing for a number of years. I am about to put a redundant enlarger and some Nova equipment on the Bay. Does that help you, Bob? To know what one European is up to? :-) Chris On 1 Mar 2009, at 13:45, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Okay . . . the message _I_ sent to the list came through. Hum. That > must mean Leopard is working as it should. Oh, well, maybe everyone's > busy. It's Sunday afternoon in Europe. Perhaps it's a lovely day in > early spring and everyone is outside. Or maybe Godzilla is devouring > Brussels and everyone's glued to their TV sets. Those who aren't > running for their lives. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 15:46:54 2009 Received: (qmail 7448 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 14:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 14:46:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C435743021A for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCAF44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:46:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A0919E359 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:46:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D096119E355 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:46:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301144646.CJKL4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:46:46 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <367B79B1-3C01-47BF-89ED-C473D4C820C5@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:46:44 -0500 References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <367B79B1-3C01-47BF-89ED-C473D4C820C5@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 15:46:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aa9fde81881234514069 You can't imagine! Though I don't envy you the gathering and cleaning and photographing and describing, etc. Still, it's good to know humans are still about. I was beginning to feel a little like Charleton Heston in Omega Man. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 1, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Does that help you, Bob? To know what one European is up to? :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 15:58:57 2009 Received: (qmail 6419 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 14:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 14:58:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A698B4301CE for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5103244004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:58:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366AF34AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:58:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C731534AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:58:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301145849.VVRA8036.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:58:49 +0000 Message-Id: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:58:47 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 15:58:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaa2b0311401591313764 On Mar 1, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > You've certainly taken your time, Bob. I have backups on Time Machine > going back to last Summer and it works a treat. Back then I upgraded > my iMac to the 24" jobbie (2.8GHz//2Gb/750Gb) and restored my files > using Time Machine backups. > > I did the same with my MacBook when it had to have the HD replaced. > It's automatic piece of mind, although I might try the Moose trick of > changing to another drive to preserve what I have now somewhere else > in the house. > > I don't use MS Office now. I have Open Office to supplement what > iWork doesn't do (not much). It's not completely free as I donated > some dosh, but it is certainly cheaper than MS Office. I did take my time. Vestige of Windows, I suppose. Every time I upgraded my Windows OS I could count on at least a week of tearing out my hair, calling people, fussing and fuming and otherwise dusting off my old Army vocabulary. Once I even had to take my machine to the computer store and have it fixed. My wife brought Leopard into the house just as it was released, and just as I was starting to print in earnest for last season. I couldn't imagine taking the chance of spending down time under the hood of my computer. Editorial Aside: This is in no way meant to disparage Windows or those who choose to use it. I still have a Windows machine that gets regular use. I'm just saying that it has conditioned me to think one way, and I'm not yet completely rehabilitated--or should that be habilitated?-- to work the Mac way. And because the Mac way meant a whole couple of hours upgrading the system, I'll guess I've taken another step along the rocky, daemon-strewn path toward Nirvana. I've got Time Machine writing to a 750 gig external hard drive. I've also got a 360 gig external hard drive that I use another program to back up to. Plus an extra 250 gig hard drive in the machine itself. I suppose I need to get one of those subscription storage options that allows storage on line for a complete off-site solution. Then I can feel safe. Office is a given for me, mostly because I have it. Joan upgraded to the Leopard version, but I haven't, mostly because the new Leopard version is advanced enough that people using some older versions of Office have to download and install a little plug-in to allow them to read her attachments. Most of them don't want to do that because the places they work have policies against such undertakings, and it will require IT at least two or three months to get around to it. I'm perfectly happy with v. 2003, or whatever it is I have. No need or point in upgrading, until the Mac OS won't support it any more. Then I'll go to Open Office, or even iWork, which apparently is getting more robust these days. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 16:34:16 2009 Received: (qmail 21896 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 15:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 15:34:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0868A430149 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C591B44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F6B34AC01E for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 16:34:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaaaf869161591313764 So you finally decided to display your color pixies, Tom. =A0 I always enjoyed your b&w work, this is just as good...imho =A0 Boris = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 16:36:19 2009 Received: (qmail 6873 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 15:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 15:36:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF6A4301CF for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A7B44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A6219E402 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:36:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2D919E43A for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:36:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962F4C9604 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:58:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <01507D7F-945F-4AFA-B6BA-284A939E4AD9@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:36:10 +0000 References: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 16:36:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaab73215951073733319 Disparage away, Bob :-) I recognise that many on the List manage with Windows, enjoy using it even, but my experiences are what I blame for my lack of hair. I use Government machines at work (W2k Professional), Internet standalones at work (XP) and Internet standalone at Church (Vista) and none gives me a good experience. But my latest hate-object is HPProductAssistant which pops up every few seconds, sometimes, just because someone was foolish enough to instal HP software on a computer connected to a HP printer. After many weeks, I think I have finally stopped the software from bothering all and sundry. I don't see plonker-like behaviour like than on my Macs ... Chris On 1 Mar 2009, at 14:58, Bob Whitmire wrote: > > Editorial Aside: This is in no way meant to disparage Windows or those > who choose to use it. I still have a Windows machine that gets regular > use. I'm just saying that it has conditioned me to think one way, and > I'm not yet completely rehabilitated--or should that be habilitated?-- > to work the Mac way. And because the Mac way meant a whole couple of > hours upgrading the system, I'll guess I've taken another step along > the rocky, daemon-strewn path toward Nirvana. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 16:36:50 2009 Received: (qmail 6128 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 15:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 15:36:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACC54301D1 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410C244004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362E534AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:36:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83F234AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:36:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:36:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70292C96E1 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:59:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <5A1FE96F-2BEB-477E-BF23-9F34B02106DC@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:36:43 +0000 References: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 16:36:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaab92119801499373980 iWork is delightful to use ... Chris On 1 Mar 2009, at 14:58, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Office is a given for me, mostly because I have it. Joan upgraded to > the Leopard version, but I haven't, mostly because the new Leopard > version is advanced enough that people using some older versions of > Office have to download and install a little plug-in to allow them to > read her attachments. Most of them don't want to do that because the > places they work have policies against such undertakings, and it will > require IT at least two or three months to get around to it. I'm > perfectly happy with v. 2003, or whatever it is I have. No need or > point in upgrading, until the Mac OS won't support it any more. Then > I'll go to Open Office, or even iWork, which apparently is getting > more robust these days. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 16:40:22 2009 Received: (qmail 19628 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 15:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 15:40:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8B443015D for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:40:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31D344004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E66734AC027 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:40:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014E034AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:40:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f163.google.com (mail-gx0-f163.google.com [209.85.217.163]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so4084330gxk.14 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 07:40:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.97.65 with SMTP id k1mr1441288vcn.62.1235922015896; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 07:40:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <05CE30E7-90FB-417F-9A05-C46B74F8FBE1@roadrunner.com> References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> <49AA9430.30202@blueyonder.co.uk> <05CE30E7-90FB-417F-9A05-C46B74F8FBE1@roadrunner.com> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:40:15 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9c60785679cb24d3 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 16:40:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaac66117182070262475 > > Oh, Thank The Gods! I am not alone! > If you are suffering from loneliness, you are not alone. Yet you are alone, so VERY alone. - Despair.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 16:48:21 2009 Received: (qmail 27226 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 15:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 15:48:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD651C40F4D for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9391544004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:48:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A34719E4AB for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:48:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF8A19E4A4 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:48:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:48:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301154812.SNRQ12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:48:12 +0000 Message-Id: <4D556C71-BCCD-4B42-BFDB-DDD56657D3F1@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:48:11 -0500 References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 16:48:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaae4585578512572685 On Mar 1, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Marc Lawrence wrote: > On 01/03/2009, Bob Whitmire wrote: >> Hey, if Godzilla really is out there... > > Hmm, going a bit stir on your lonesome, Bob? A bit Jack Nicholson > "Heeere's Johnny!"? Now there's a turn of phrase! I'll have to remember that one, and forget where I learned it. Don't have an axe, but somewhere in the house I've got an antique Ghurka knife. I suppose it wouldn't be the same. Damned wicked looking instrument, though. > I bought a new DSLR on Saturday. It's not an Oly though; it's a Canon, > updating from my "ancient" 10D. I still haven't unboxed it though, > still waiting for sufficient quiet time to give due reverence. ;-) > Tomorrow should be right though. Just don't forget you have it. I've done that, bought something (though not so spectacular as a new DSLR) and then forgot I bought it. The biggest rush comes from finding books I bought months ago and forgot about. Suddenly, something to read! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 16:54:05 2009 Received: (qmail 6203 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 15:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 15:54:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03012430211 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E892D44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC39E34AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:53:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAF634AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:53:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301155359.WPHV8036.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:53:59 +0000 Message-Id: <3A39E616-8BEE-4951-8189-EDDBC772B097@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <01507D7F-945F-4AFA-B6BA-284A939E4AD9@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:53:58 -0500 References: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> <01507D7F-945F-4AFA-B6BA-284A939E4AD9@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 16:54:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaaf9d318071234514069 On Mar 1, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > But my latest hate-object is HPProductAssistant which pops up every > few seconds, sometimes, just because someone was foolish enough to > instal HP software on a computer connected to a HP printer. At work I've got a XP professional box, and the agency I work for has installed Norton anti-virus products. Roughly four or five times a day, a window pops up to tell me my virus definitions are out of date and would I like to update? Never mind that I'm in the middle of something and don't want the distraction. Did I mention how much I hate, despise and loathe Norton? I didn't? Well, I do. My Windows XP pro machine at home has AVG Free on it, and it seems to work just fine. I also have Windows Defender, which is okay, and I use the Mac for all e-mail operations. And as I said once before, using the ping sites on the web, I can't even be sure my Mac exists. But then I'm not really sure I exist, either. Maybe more like a bit of cosmic flatulence slowed down enough to form a Bob. Here today, back to the radiation pool tomorrow. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 17:26:57 2009 Received: (qmail 10750 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 16:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 16:26:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0670C43015B for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB8344004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D6319E5AD for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:26:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FDB19E58E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:26:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301162650.IGWT15930.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:26:50 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:26:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [OM] (OT) Software Install X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 17:26:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aab751107111946193717 Well, turns out there was a minor glitch installing Leopard after all. Seems it declines to speak with any of my printers. Won't even recognize they're hooked up. So I downloaded a new Epson 4800 driver for Leopard, and even as I type it's printing. Apparently I will have to reinstall all of my printers. Sigh. If it ain't one damn thing, it's another. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 17:31:33 2009 Received: (qmail 116 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 16:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 16:31:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CDE43022D for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBDF44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B020434AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:31:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE2634AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:31:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301163127.LYUC20000.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:31:27 +0000 Message-Id: <683CBEAF-329F-4523-AD57-AFB804E3534D@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:31:27 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Software Install X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 17:31:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aab86556891342116753 Nope. Not so. Just had to turn the new HP Laster printer on. Then Leopard saw it. Damn, I'm talking to myself again. Maybe Marc's right. Get an axe and head for town. If Godzilla's not available . . . That Florida vacation is still a month away. I don't know how much more winter I can take. There's a winter storm advisory for the whole bloody day tomorrow. Snow and wind. Arrrrrrrrrggggggggg! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 1, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Apparently I will have > to reinstall all of my printers. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 17:45:27 2009 Received: (qmail 14683 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 16:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 16:45:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A91B430242 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BB844004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:45:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB4434AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:45:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8C134AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:45:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C018C96D3 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:07:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <3A39E616-8BEE-4951-8189-EDDBC772B097@roadrunner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:45:19 +0000 References: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> <01507D7F-945F-4AFA-B6BA-284A939E4AD9@threeshoes.net> <3A39E616-8BEE-4951-8189-EDDBC772B097@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 17:45:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aabba7214681234514069 Nor are we ... :-) Chris On 1 Mar 2009, at 15:53, Bob Whitmire wrote: > But then I'm not really sure I exist, either. Maybe more like a bit of > cosmic flatulence slowed down enough to form a Bob. Here today, back > to the radiation pool tomorrow. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 18:23:52 2009 Received: (qmail 4149 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 17:23:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 17:23:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB8D4301C4 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D48244004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D32219E746 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:23:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CAB19E726 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:23:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so657683mue.0 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:23:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.228.19 with SMTP id f19mr2479351mur.32.1235928224434; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:23:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <39CE901A-9CF9-4940-A452-27D590F89B41@people.net.au> References: <39CE901A-9CF9-4940-A452-27D590F89B41@people.net.au> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:23:43 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d256cf321312953c Message-ID: <9f07ac840903010923x77518607lac432550638c58ab@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] pizza, was New Bessa Pics X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 18:23:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aac4a8215651234514069 Those of us who really lived there spelled it Edgbaston :-) Jez On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Some of us actually lived in Edgebaston, I'll have you know. > Bloody peasants. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 27/02/2009, at 11:16 AM, wrote: > > > Suppose you went to the posh place out in Edgebaston? I spent six > > months at ASTON... nuff said. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 18:48:09 2009 Received: (qmail 3103 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 17:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 17:48:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918B74301A2 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:48:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA7E44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EF934AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:48:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780C534AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:48:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@m93.myzen.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.142]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ldplh-00051I-1X for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:48:01 +0000 Message-ID: <49AACA54.5040705@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:48:04 +0000 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <39CE901A-9CF9-4940-A452-27D590F89B41@people.net.au> <9f07ac840903010923x77518607lac432550638c58ab@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840903010923x77518607lac432550638c58ab@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [217.155.39.109] Subject: Re: [OM] pizza, was New Bessa Pics X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 18:48:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaca59260771234514069 Only visited occasionally - not long enough to remember how to spell it... :-) Not entirely certain to which bunch of bloody peasants Mr Fildes is referring? Jez Cunningham wrote: > Those of us who really lived there spelled it Edgbaston :-) > Jez > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > >> Some of us actually lived in Edgebaston, I'll have you know. >> Bloody peasants. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 27/02/2009, at 11:16 AM, wrote: >> >> >>> Suppose you went to the posh place out in Edgebaston? I spent six >>> months at ASTON... nuff said -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 19:09:47 2009 Received: (qmail 26816 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 18:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 18:09:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9F84301AB for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E269A44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84D034AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:09:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F39F34AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:09:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (cygnus@ctgonline.org whitelisted) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14570 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 12:09:32 -0600 Received: from pool-98-115-208-23.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (98.115.208.23) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 12:09:31 -0600 Message-ID: <49AACF90.6080107@ctgonline.org> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:10:24 -0600 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> <01507D7F-945F-4AFA-B6BA-284A939E4AD9@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <01507D7F-945F-4AFA-B6BA-284A939E4AD9@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 19:09:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aacf6b154961838542571 Chris Barker wrote: > Disparage away, Bob :-) > > I recognise that many on the List manage with Windows, enjoy using it > even, but my experiences are what I blame for my lack of hair. I use > Government machines at work (W2k Professional), Internet standalones > at work (XP) and Internet standalone at Church (Vista) and none gives > me a good experience. > The way I look at it, Micro$oft's headaches keep me employed and paid so I can go home and just enjoy computing on my Macs. I have one XP box at home for Windows-only software. I also have XP running under BootCamp on my MacBook Pro so I can run Delorme's GPS/mapping software in the car when we're on a trip. > But my latest hate-object is HPProductAssistant which pops up every > few seconds, sometimes, just because someone was foolish enough to > instal HP software on a computer connected to a HP printer. After > many weeks, I think I have finally stopped the software from bothering > all and sundry. > > I don't see plonker-like behaviour like than on my Macs ... > yeah.... I'm lead PC Tech at a local hospital. We run XP. Several users have small locally-connected HP printers in their offices aside from the big networked lasers. That stupid warning pops up all the time on those. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 19:12:22 2009 Received: (qmail 1239 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 18:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 18:12:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3F94301A9 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3643144004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1714534AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:12:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B60534AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:12:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:12:16 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n21ICAYJ001621; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:12:13 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:12:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 19:12:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aad00627854673671140 Here in the upper Mid-South, we get a lot of threats of snow showers, but seldom see much of it. Today, on March 1st and anticipating Spring, we awoke to about three inches of white, wet stuff. Leitz Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on Oly E-510, ISO 200, 1/500 at f/8, shot RAW, processed in Elements 6.0. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Mid-South+Snow.jpg.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 19:19:13 2009 Received: (qmail 20028 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 18:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 18:19:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F68D4301C9 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:19:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4183944004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B56534AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:19:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D547C34AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:19:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (cygnus@ctgonline.org whitelisted) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15949 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 12:18:58 -0600 Received: from pool-98-115-208-23.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (98.115.208.23) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 12:18:58 -0600 Message-ID: <49AAD1C7.4040800@ctgonline.org> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:19:51 -0600 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 19:19:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aad1a137937350615338 Bob Whitmire wrote: > > I did take my time. Vestige of Windows, I suppose. Every time I > upgraded my Windows OS I could count on at least a week of tearing out > my hair, calling people, fussing and fuming and otherwise dusting off > my old Army vocabulary. Once I even had to take my machine to the > computer store and have it fixed. My wife brought Leopard into the > house just as it was released, and just as I was starting to print in > earnest for last season. I couldn't imagine taking the chance of > spending down time under the hood of my computer. > I just upgrade Lucy, my MacBook Pro, to Leopard. Installed the OS onto a shiny new hard drive in an external case. Then Leopard said, "Hey! If you're upgrading, do you want to import all of your apps, data, and settings from the old one? I'd be more than happy to help you with that. Just tell me where to look." And it did. No reinstalling stuff. I'm sure I'll have to do some driver/software updates, but I didn't have to reinstall every freakin' thing like I would with a Windows install. Gotta love that. > I've got Time Machine writing to a 750 gig external hard drive. I've > also got a 360 gig external hard drive that I use another program to > back up to. Plus an extra 250 gig hard drive in the machine itself. I > suppose I need to get one of those subscription storage options that > allows storage on line for a complete off-site solution. Then I can > feel safe. > I haven't tried TM yet. I have quite a mixure -- I have 2 old AGP G4's running 9.2.2 for audio recording/editing stuff, 2 G5's running Tiger for my wife and my main computers, the MBP which just got the bump to Leopard, and a Mini connected to the home theatre system which is running Leopard. I may wait to upgrade the G5's until Snow Leopard comes out. By that point, I hope to have a Drobo (www.drobo.com) stuffed full of 1TB drives that I can point all of the TM cliens to. Check out those Drobos -- you want safe, huge, no-brainer backup and storage capabilities? Unlike traditional RAID where the drives all have to match, you can just stuff whatever the hell you have lying around into a Drobo, and pull the drives one at a time and upgrade them as budget allows.... I know several serious digital photo guys who swear by them. One guy who also does digital video actually has about a dozen of them online at any given time. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 19:47:02 2009 Received: (qmail 6813 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 18:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 18:47:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07482430295 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88EE440050 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20E134AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:46:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4158934AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:46:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1176440anc.35 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:46:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.46.10 with SMTP id t10mr4165562ant.52.1235933213732; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:46:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:46:53 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 19:47:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aad825106651529615919 On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Here in the upper Mid-South, we get a lot of threats of snow showers, but seldom see much of it. Today, on March 1st and anticipating Spring, we awoke to about three inches of white, wet stuff. > > Leitz Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on Oly E-510, ISO 200, 1/500 at f/8, shot RAW, processed in Elements 6.0. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Mid-South+Snow.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. That's the pretty wet stuff we get in Iowa in March and April. The most picturesque snows seem to come late. We're dry for once, but cold. High of 29F yesterday and I rode 50 miles on my motorcycle. Even with the electric clothes, it's somewhat unpleasant at highway speeds. Looks like it should be warmer than it is, and it's even colder today than yesterday. How do you like that lens with the 510? Do you have one of the Zuiko 28s with which to compare it? Enjoy the snow. It won't last long! Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 20:03:50 2009 Received: (qmail 15101 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 19:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:03:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E826C43025C for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2352844004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122B819EAA2 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:03:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FCB19EA5B for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:03:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:03:41 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n21J3bb6025109 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:03:40 GMT Message-ID: <1359EEB65490458BAA0E9D88054455B8@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:03:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 20:03:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aadc16183121838542571 Hi Joel, Thanks for looking. After a couple of years in Ohio in the early 1950s, I decided to move back south to avoid the northern winters. Your Iowa countryside looks nice, but I prefer things a little warmer. I like the Elmarit-R 28/2.8 just fine. The only Zuiko lens that I have for comparison is the 14-54, which I consider a great lens. I wanted a prime lens for general use, and chose the Elmarit for that purpose. While focusing through the viewfinder of the 510 with a manual lens can be frustrating, it can be done. For some things, Live View is helpful. However, I find that scale focusing with the 28 gives me good results, with point and shoot convenience while providing much better images. I considered the 25 Pancake as well as the 25 Panaleica and the 30 Sigma, any of which would have given me autofocus convenience. When I found the Elmarit at a good price, the choice was easy. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Jim Nichols > wrote: >> Here in the upper Mid-South, we get a lot of threats of snow showers, but >> seldom see much of it. Today, on March 1st and anticipating Spring, we >> awoke to about three inches of white, wet stuff. >> >> Leitz Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on Oly E-510, ISO 200, 1/500 at f/8, shot RAW, >> processed in Elements 6.0. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Mid-South+Snow.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. > > That's the pretty wet stuff we get in Iowa in March and April. The > most picturesque snows seem to come late. We're dry for once, but > cold. High of 29F yesterday and I rode 50 miles on my motorcycle. > Even with the electric clothes, it's somewhat unpleasant at highway > speeds. Looks like it should be warmer than it is, and it's even > colder today than yesterday. > > How do you like that lens with the 510? Do you have one of the Zuiko > 28s with which to compare it? > > Enjoy the snow. It won't last long! > > Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 20:24:17 2009 Received: (qmail 27081 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 19:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:24:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89444302B6 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E764644004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA85C34AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:24:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F8C34AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:24:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301192410.GTAB4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:24:10 +0000 Message-Id: <7FA577B2-B69F-4A20-BC98-81F9F59E9CB5@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49AAD1C7.4040800@ctgonline.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:24:09 -0500 References: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> <49AAD1C7.4040800@ctgonline.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 20:24:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aae0e1166011342116753 That's a pretty impressive device. I think I'll point myself that way as well. Beats filling up this Mac Pro with hard drives and then trying to formulate a Raid array. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Mar 1, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Paul Braun wrote: > I may wait to upgrade the G5's until Snow Leopard comes out. By that > point, I hope to have a Drobo (www.drobo.com) stuffed full of 1TB > drives > that I can point all of the TM cliens to. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 20:25:09 2009 Received: (qmail 11547 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 19:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:25:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF604301AC for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA73C44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C990819EB5D for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:25:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D1919EB4A for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:25:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301192503.GTLS4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:25:03 +0000 Message-Id: <4DDA057F-D71D-4BE6-BAE0-FD030788C768@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:25:02 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 20:25:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aae11579843675314703 That stuff's falling outside my window now. It's 23 F and snowing to beat the band. I'd rather not deal with this, but it seems I have no choice. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Mar 1, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Here in the upper Mid-South, we get a lot of threats of snow > showers, but seldom see much of it. Today, on March 1st and > anticipating Spring, we awoke to about three inches of white, wet > stuff. > > Leitz Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on Oly E-510, ISO 200, 1/500 at f/8, shot > RAW, processed in Elements 6.0. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Mid-South+Snow.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 20:29:48 2009 Received: (qmail 17811 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 19:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:29:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E183430267 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFFD44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5344434AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:29:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0EA434AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:29:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:29:41 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n21JTbSI029611 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:29:39 GMT Message-ID: <2477D1B6096A41F5862100C4607E09C2@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4DDA057F-D71D-4BE6-BAE0-FD030788C768@roadrunner.com> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:29:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 20:29:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aae22c124341470116606 Obviously I didn't settle far enough south. My late father-in-law, after several winters in Wisconsin, decided to move far enough south that he would never have to deal with snow again. He settled in the town where my wife and I grew up, in Mississippi. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Whitmire" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South > That stuff's falling outside my window now. It's 23 F and snowing to > beat the band. I'd rather not deal with this, but it seems I have no > choice. > > --Bob Whitmire > "Art's just fart without the eff." > www.bwp33.com > > > > > On Mar 1, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Here in the upper Mid-South, we get a lot of threats of snow >> showers, but seldom see much of it. Today, on March 1st and >> anticipating Spring, we awoke to about three inches of white, wet >> stuff. >> >> Leitz Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on Oly E-510, ISO 200, 1/500 at f/8, shot >> RAW, processed in Elements 6.0. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Mid-South+Snow.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 20:30:19 2009 Received: (qmail 25846 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 19:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:30:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB2C430263 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:30:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2676C44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F293234AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:30:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC70834AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:30:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14149 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 19:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.227) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:29:56 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840903010923x77518607lac432550638c58ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <39CE901A-9CF9-4940-A452-27D590F89B41@people.net.au> <9f07ac840903010923x77518607lac432550638c58ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:29:55 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] pizza, was New Bessa Pics X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 20:30:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aae24b193949347015869 It was a very long time ago and I was drunk for a lot of it... Jeez Jez! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/03/2009, at 4:23 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > Those of us who really lived there spelled it Edgbaston :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 20:32:44 2009 Received: (qmail 4802 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 19:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:32:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0702B4301B8 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:32:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D65844004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149D919EB81 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:32:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC9319EB36 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:32:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:32:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2776 invoked by uid 504); 1 Mar 2009 19:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.111?) (chucknorcutt@72.185.125.232) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Mar 2009 19:32:34 -0000 Message-ID: <49AAE2D2.9090603@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:32:34 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 20:32:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aae2dc286071234514069 I didn't see Godzilla but I did lose my readily available internet connection. It's March 1 (end of February's rent) and the guy who's signal I was riding on pulled out with his truck and 5th wheel RV this morning to head back north. Now I have to hoof it down to the park's recreation center to get a public wifi spot. My transmissions for the next week will be more sporadic. But just as good as always. :-) Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > Hey, if Godzilla really is out there, you folks in the neighborhood > don't forget in the midst of your blind panic to get some good shots, > preferably using original OM equipment, and post them to the list as > soon as you can. Assuming you survive, that is. And if you don't, > throw yourselves on the camera to protect it. Eventually, someone will > find it and develop the film. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > > On Mar 1, 2009, at 8:45 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > >> Or maybe Godzilla is devouring >> Brussels and everyone's glued to their TV sets. Those who aren't >> running for their lives. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 20:33:15 2009 Received: (qmail 31947 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 19:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:33:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AD3430267 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B91044004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:32:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BF019EB81 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:32:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBD219EB36 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:32:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15487 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 19:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.227) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:32:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49AACA54.5040705@m93.myzen.co.uk> References: <39CE901A-9CF9-4940-A452-27D590F89B41@people.net.au> <9f07ac840903010923x77518607lac432550638c58ab@mail.gmail.com> <49AACA54.5040705@m93.myzen.co.uk> Message-Id: <67B933F5-AFB9-43DE-8D6E-2469E77ED815@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:32:34 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] pizza, was New Bessa Pics X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 20:33:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aae2fb46734673671140 Those who live in places like Aston and Small Heath where I was marooned before Edgbaston. Now excuse me but I have to get some sleep after staying up half the night watching Man. U. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/03/2009, at 4:48 AM, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > Not entirely certain to which bunch of bloody peasants Mr Fildes is > referring? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 20:37:26 2009 Received: (qmail 7053 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 19:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:37:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C0E430254 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70DA844004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637F134AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:37:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D32934AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:37:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15672 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 19:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.227) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:37:13 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4D556C71-BCCD-4B42-BFDB-DDD56657D3F1@roadrunner.com> References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> <4D556C71-BCCD-4B42-BFDB-DDD56657D3F1@roadrunner.com> Message-Id: <6AB43D68-3A9D-487C-8E74-50796FD9D55A@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:37:13 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 20:37:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aae3f6145871073733319 Khukuri - very handy for lopping off things - like bits of people. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/03/2009, at 2:48 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Don't have an axe, but somewhere in the house I've got an antique > Ghurka knife. I suppose it wouldn't be the same. Damned wicked looking > instrument, though. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 20:40:52 2009 Received: (qmail 23697 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 19:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:40:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F05F4301CE for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E61944004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3109534AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:40:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD4E34AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:40:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:40:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15874 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 19:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.227) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:40:41 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <01507D7F-945F-4AFA-B6BA-284A939E4AD9@threeshoes.net> References: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> <01507D7F-945F-4AFA-B6BA-284A939E4AD9@threeshoes.net> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:40:40 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 20:40:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aae4c471523675314703 Every time I do attendance records at school - in class, wirelessly - I get something like that (Windoze XP). Three times I get an unintelligible dialogue box asking if I want to install or update something. The sysops don't seem to be able to fix it - they don't even seem to think it much of a problem ("That sort of thing just happens...). Three times, every time I open the program. Aaaarrrrggggh! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/03/2009, at 2:36 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > But my latest hate-object is HPProductAssistant which pops up every > few seconds, sometimes, just because someone was foolish enough to > instal HP software on a computer connected to a HP printer. After > many weeks, I think I have finally stopped the software from bothering > all and sundry. > > I don't see plonker-like behaviour like than on my Macs ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 20:43:41 2009 Received: (qmail 31098 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 19:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:43:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968D64301EB for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:43:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A7D44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2253134AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:43:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA89534AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:43:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301194334.PDQF20000.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:43:34 +0000 Message-Id: <8179DE85-B34E-4CF4-81A0-57B628EA64AB@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49AAE2D2.9090603@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:43:33 -0500 References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> <49AAE2D2.9090603@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 20:43:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aae56d179271993019900 On Mar 1, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Now I have to hoof it down to the park's recreation center to get a > public wifi spot. Tough work. I see on my dashboard it's a miserable 61 degrees F in Tampa today. Hope you're wearing a sweater as you hoof it down to the rec center. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 20:44:18 2009 Received: (qmail 29704 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 19:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:44:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5C6430238 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:44:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2A044004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A0634AC027 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:43:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C1F34AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:43:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:43:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15961 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 19:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.227) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:43:42 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4D556C71-BCCD-4B42-BFDB-DDD56657D3F1@roadrunner.com> References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> <4D556C71-BCCD-4B42-BFDB-DDD56657D3F1@roadrunner.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:43:41 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 20:44:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aae592272091529615919 50D? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/03/2009, at 2:48 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Just don't forget you have it. I've done that, bought something > (though not so spectacular as a new DSLR) and then forgot I bought it. > The biggest rush comes from finding books I bought months ago and > forgot about. Suddenly, something to read! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 20:46:34 2009 Received: (qmail 2120 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 19:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 19:46:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB5B430232 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBD444004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:46:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14AAB19EC03 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:46:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2C219EC02 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:46:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090301194627.PEZJ20000.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:46:27 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:46:25 -0500 References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> <4D556C71-BCCD-4B42-BFDB-DDD56657D3F1@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 20:46:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aae61a290505368819438 You'll have to ask Marc after he wakes up. I would assume something like that, but then we all know about the first three letters in assume. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 1, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > 50D? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 21:06:50 2009 Received: (qmail 9503 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 20:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 20:06:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A74430238 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989F844004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:06:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF5719ECDC for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:06:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D4519ECFC for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:06:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:06:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18090 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 20:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.227) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 20:06:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> <4D556C71-BCCD-4B42-BFDB-DDD56657D3F1@roadrunner.com> Message-Id: <84175CA9-8477-4A31-B480-8AF6C774FBE4@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:06:36 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 21:06:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaeada13578512572685 Yep - replied to the wrong message. Sleeeeep! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/03/2009, at 6:46 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > You'll have to ask Marc after he wakes up. I would assume something > like that, but then we all know about the first three letters in > assume. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > > On Mar 1, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> 50D? >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 21:13:13 2009 Received: (qmail 30302 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 20:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 20:13:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1F64301FA for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A8144004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:13:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1757534AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:13:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E78A34AC027 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:13:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20001 invoked by uid 504); 1 Mar 2009 20:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.111?) (chucknorcutt@72.185.125.232) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Mar 2009 20:13:05 -0000 Message-ID: <49AAEC51.9070209@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:13:05 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> <01507D7F-945F-4AFA-B6BA-284A939E4AD9@threeshoes.net> <3A39E616-8BEE-4951-8189-EDDBC772B097@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <3A39E616-8BEE-4951-8189-EDDBC772B097@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 21:13:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaec59324781234514069 Try Avast. I did and switched away from AVG immediately. Avast just works quietly away and does not gobble your machine for an hour or two each day. It doesn't check the whole drive every day. It just checks what you use at the time its loaded unless you choose to do a rootkit check prior to boot. Then it will run a while but that's only at your own choosing. I did it once at the start. I thought the load time check would be a noticeable performance hit but it's not. It will however make a verbal announcement that the virus database has been downloaded and updated after it's over. Maybe there's a switch to turn that off but it hasn't been intrusive. Try it. You'll like it. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > On Mar 1, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> But my latest hate-object is HPProductAssistant which pops up every >> few seconds, sometimes, just because someone was foolish enough to >> instal HP software on a computer connected to a HP printer. > > > At work I've got a XP professional box, and the agency I work for has > installed Norton anti-virus products. Roughly four or five times a > day, a window pops up to tell me my virus definitions are out of date > and would I like to update? Never mind that I'm in the middle of > something and don't want the distraction. Did I mention how much I > hate, despise and loathe Norton? I didn't? Well, I do. My Windows > XP pro machine at home has AVG Free on it, and it seems to work just > fine. I also have Windows Defender, which is okay, and I use the Mac > for all e-mail operations. And as I said once before, using the ping > sites on the web, I can't even be sure my Mac exists. > > But then I'm not really sure I exist, either. Maybe more like a bit of > cosmic flatulence slowed down enough to form a Bob. Here today, back > to the radiation pool tomorrow. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 21:17:04 2009 Received: (qmail 12341 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 20:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 20:17:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F168143026F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A05C44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:16:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6945D19ED6B for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:16:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A8319ED36 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:16:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21551 invoked by uid 504); 1 Mar 2009 20:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.111?) (chucknorcutt@72.185.125.232) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Mar 2009 20:16:57 -0000 Message-ID: <49AAED38.9040901@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:16:56 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Software Install X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 21:17:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaed40191178512572685 Software is software. It's all buggy and Apple has no real magic. Once you get into the 30 million lines of code range it gets dicey. Really good software probably has at least one bug for every 2,000 lines of code. Figure out how many there are in 30 million lines. But Apple does have control over the hardware base so that does simplify some of it. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > Well, turns out there was a minor glitch installing Leopard after all. > Seems it declines to speak with any of my printers. Won't even > recognize they're hooked up. So I downloaded a new Epson 4800 driver > for Leopard, and even as I type it's printing. Apparently I will have > to reinstall all of my printers. Sigh. If it ain't one damn thing, > it's another. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 21:22:31 2009 Received: (qmail 18096 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 20:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 20:22:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2E4430268 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242E544004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:22:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F0419ED83 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:22:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF8519E86D for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:22:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24107 invoked by uid 504); 1 Mar 2009 20:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.111?) (chucknorcutt@72.185.125.232) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Mar 2009 20:22:23 -0000 Message-ID: <49AAEE7F.2000404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:22:23 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> <49AAE2D2.9090603@chucknorcutt.com> <8179DE85-B34E-4CF4-81A0-57B628EA64AB@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <8179DE85-B34E-4CF4-81A0-57B628EA64AB@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 21:22:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaee8783801234514069 I had to opt for a light jacket. There's wind with that 61 degrees today. Probably a wind chill all the way down to 55. :-) Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > On Mar 1, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Now I have to hoof it down to the park's recreation center to get a >> public wifi spot. > > > Tough work. I see on my dashboard it's a miserable 61 degrees F in > Tampa today. Hope you're wearing a sweater as you hoof it down to the > rec center. > > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 21:43:38 2009 Received: (qmail 984 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 20:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 20:43:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1835E43025C for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E92C440050 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:43:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428E234AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:43:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A9A34AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:43:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (cygnus@ctgonline.org whitelisted) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1712 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 14:43:19 -0600 Received: from pool-98-115-208-23.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (98.115.208.23) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 14:43:18 -0600 Message-ID: <49AAF39C.8030506@ctgonline.org> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:44:12 -0600 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> <49AAE2D2.9090603@chucknorcutt.com> <8179DE85-B34E-4CF4-81A0-57B628EA64AB@roadrunner.com> <49AAEE7F.2000404@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49AAEE7F.2000404@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 21:43:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaf37a52062046811720 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I had to opt for a light jacket. There's wind with that 61 degrees > today. Probably a wind chill all the way down to 55. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > Yeah, thanks for that. Here in NW Indiana, it's snowing again, 20 degrees, and it's supposed to drop down into the teens tonight with a windchill of -7. I'm officially done with snow. It's March. Can we have Spring now, please? -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 22:07:50 2009 Received: (qmail 18015 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 21:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 21:07:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526FF4301AF for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9ABD44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905F734AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:07:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB9934AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:07:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:07:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D7B461589 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:27:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:07:39 +0000 References: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> <01507D7F-945F-4AFA-B6BA-284A939E4AD9@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 22:07:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aaf926146531234514069 There are hundreds of people around the world with the same problem, Andrew. I tried the HP way of resolving it, but the best way was to disable the startup programme. I *think* it worked ... Chris On 1 Mar 2009, at 19:40, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Three times, every time I open the program. Aaaarrrrggggh! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 22:24:17 2009 Received: (qmail 4398 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 21:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 21:24:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C76430238 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2111244004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE1319EF8D for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:24:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F2D19EF72 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:24:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.152]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so1194582yxh.80 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:24:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.137.12 with SMTP id k12mr4161358and.124.1235942648964; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:24:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1359EEB65490458BAA0E9D88054455B8@jimnichols> References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <1359EEB65490458BAA0E9D88054455B8@jimnichols> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:24:08 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903011324nec3a616pe95074c386961c86@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 22:24:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aafd0136425368819438 On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Hi Joel, > > Thanks for looking. =A0After a couple of years in Ohio in the early 1950s= , I > decided to move back south to avoid the northern winters. =A0Your Iowa > countryside looks nice, but I prefer things a little warmer. > > I like the Elmarit-R 28/2.8 just fine. =A0The only Zuiko lens that I have= for > comparison is the 14-54, which I consider a great lens. =A0I wanted a pri= me > lens for general use, and chose the Elmarit for that purpose. While focus= ing > through the viewfinder of the 510 with a manual lens can be frustrating, = it > can be done. For some things, Live View is helpful. =A0However, I find th= at > scale focusing with the 28 gives me good results, with point and shoot > convenience while providing much better images. =A0I considered the 25 Pa= ncake > as well as the 25 Panaleica and the 30 Sigma, any of which would have giv= en > me autofocus convenience. =A0When I found the Elmarit at a good price, the > choice was easy. I also like the Zuiko 28/2 on an E, which is why I ask. Hyperfocal is how I tend to work that lens too. I grow less tolerant of heat as I grow older. I thought about moving west and mountain country, but I like the green. I seem to be where I need to be. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 23:24:13 2009 Received: (qmail 13518 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 22:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 22:24:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B74430329 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3255744004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:24:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A5219F170 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:24:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F2319F097 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:24:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFU00C5BM82AGS0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:24:02 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-189.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.189]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:24:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:24:07 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvoRAM+ZqkkYigu9/2dsb2JhbACBUohMyjwHhBMG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,285,1233547200"; d="scan'208";a="289977113" References: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 23:24:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab0b0d320121499373980 Question .............. would an Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on an Oly E-510 produce an image of exact equal quality to that produced by the same lens mounted on a Leitz made Leica camera ? I am not referring to one of those knock-off Panasonic branded Chinese made plastic bodies but to the real thing from Germany. If it would, what part in the equation is played by the Leica body other than lightening the photographer's wallet? If it would not, what would the genuine Leica body contribute to the end product? This, to me, seems an interesting question. In the days of film cameras, the lens and body in combination contributed to the quality of the end product, namely the image. Today, with mix and match the order of the day how does one disseminate the relative contribution of each of the lens and the body to the quality of the end product, namely the image? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 2:12 PM Subject: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South > Here in the upper Mid-South, we get a lot of threats of snow showers, but > seldom see much of it. Today, on March 1st and anticipating Spring, we > awoke to about three inches of white, wet stuff. > > Leitz Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on Oly E-510, ISO 200, 1/500 at f/8, shot RAW, > processed in Elements 6.0. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Mid-South+Snow.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 23:30:45 2009 Received: (qmail 28604 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 22:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 22:30:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B00430308 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAB644004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC8219F1C0 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:30:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2E319F1A5 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:30:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFU00CGBMIYAKS0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:30:34 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-189.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.189]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:30:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:30:39 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <4FBA7266349E45C7BB8BA13BD2C02041@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvoRAPqaqkkYigu9/2dsb2JhbACBU4hMyjUHhBMG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,285,1233547200"; d="scan'208";a="289978731" References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> <4D556C71-BCCD-4B42-BFDB-DDD56657D3F1@roadrunner.com> <6AB43D68-3A9D-487C-8E74-50796FD9D55A@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 23:30:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab0c9520431073733319 Didn't the Ghurkas have an extraordinarily high kill rate in the Falkland Islands and Iraq along with an extraordinarily low rate of rifle bullet usage ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic > Khukuri - very handy for lopping off things - like bits of people. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/03/2009, at 2:48 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > >> Don't have an axe, but somewhere in the house I've got an antique >> Ghurka knife. I suppose it wouldn't be the same. Damned wicked looking >> instrument, though. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 1 23:46:47 2009 Received: (qmail 27332 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 22:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 22:46:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CF1430295 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:46:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A156044004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:46:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5813119F203 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:46:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B167F19F1F2 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:46:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.86]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 44383 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2009 22:46:39 -0000 Message-ID: <367171.44311.qm@web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5SUpQg8VM1lKLx5u1xe3DMYpkp.0983dF.hOzylOojr3kgtF9O5vRlosPwA4MquxW.k6.BAVHJmfO7rC8C3VNCucgF_.nXKjaJAzPPrPneSdTOuXjas88hi8ngVuFcfX6oKNxIobDTtjUuqAzcSHrPv7CRGTbAgbkWkXWaQU2MDTSvRMwDN6CNNeUAJZpraVqGRxlGEcHFx1MEdDqB1xI0FUY1vklH8- Received: from [86.168.226.205] by web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:46:39 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:46:39 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 1 23:46:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab105760951257536491 Now you have done it....what exactly are you trying to provoke :0) Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK --- On Sun, 1/3/09, John Hudson wrote: > From: John Hudson > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Sunday, 1 March, 2009, 10:24 PM > Question .............. would an Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on an Oly > E-510 produce an > image of exact equal quality to that produced by the same > lens mounted on a > Leitz made Leica camera ? > If it would, what part in the equation is played by the > Leica body other > than lightening the photographer's wallet? > > If it would not, what would the genuine Leica body > contribute to the end > product? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 00:46:30 2009 Received: (qmail 27944 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2009 23:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 23:46:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7724301FF for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:46:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EEC44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:46:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C81E19F42D for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:46:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0CB19F413 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:46:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:46:19 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n21NkGn0023805 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:46:18 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:46:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 00:46:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab1e56127021234514069 John, I own Leica film bodies, and several lenses, but cannot afford a Leica digital camera. Friends who shoot with the Leica M8 produce images with sharper, clearer definition than I can achieve with my hybrid Oly/Leica mix. This is attributed to the unique way that Leitz chose to go with its sensor design, maximizing sharpness at the expense of sensor filtering. This requires M8 owners to use filters on their lenses to make up for those left off the sensor. Admittedly, I have made my comparisons to images made by the rangefinder M8 rather than a comparison to the digital-back equipped Leica SLRs, where my Elmarit originated. This is just a matter of convenience, and I'm not sure there is much difference between M and R lenses. So, to answer your question, IMHO, a digital Leica camera and lens combination will outperform my combination. I chose to take a less expensive route to enable me to get the quality of a Leica lens without spending a lot of money. I have no desire to start a feuding discussion of the merits of Zuiko vs Leitz lenses. I have more experience with Leitz than with Zuiko, so I chose that route. For what it's worth, my only Zuiko, a 14-54, is a very good lens, and I use it frequently. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South > Question .............. would an Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on an Oly E-510 produce > an > image of exact equal quality to that produced by the same lens mounted on > a > Leitz made Leica camera ? I am not referring to one of those knock-off > Panasonic branded Chinese made plastic bodies but to the real thing from > Germany. > > If it would, what part in the equation is played by the Leica body other > than lightening the photographer's wallet? > > If it would not, what would the genuine Leica body contribute to the end > product? > > This, to me, seems an interesting question. In the days of film cameras, > the > lens and body in combination contributed to the quality of the end > product, > namely the image. > > Today, with mix and match the order of the day how does one disseminate > the > relative contribution of each of the lens and the body to the quality of > the > end product, namely the image? > > jh > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" > Cc: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 2:12 PM > Subject: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South > > >> Here in the upper Mid-South, we get a lot of threats of snow showers, but >> seldom see much of it. Today, on March 1st and anticipating Spring, we >> awoke to about three inches of white, wet stuff. >> >> Leitz Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on Oly E-510, ISO 200, 1/500 at f/8, shot RAW, >> processed in Elements 6.0. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Mid-South+Snow.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 02:01:44 2009 Received: (qmail 22995 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 01:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 01:01:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E3D43035E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36B244004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:01:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8945F34AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:01:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0556134AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:01:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:01:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFU00KETTI4WXV1@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:01:16 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-189.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.189]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:01:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:01:20 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <7F1B99649722469BBC425533C6107AE5@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvoRACO+qkkYigu9/2dsb2JhbACBU4hMyUAHhBMG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,286,1233547200"; d="scan'208";a="290021295" References: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 02:01:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab2ff8235661702588592 Hi Jim and also to John D in south Wales ... I had no thought whatsoever about stirring up a feud about the the merits of Olympus and Leica optics. I have quite a collection of both Leica M and Olympus OM film cameras and lenses, plus also Olympus E series digital bodies and lenses, and am appreciative of the high quality and output of each system individually. I wouldn't part with any of the three systems. Mention of the mix and match combos of Leica and Olympus equipment that have come to light in recent, and not so recent, postings got me thinking about the performance of those combos and how they might measure up against the performance of one or other system on its own. The question was asked out of curiosity and with no ulterior motive of adding fat to a yet unlit fire. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South > John, > > I own Leica film bodies, and several lenses, but cannot afford a Leica > digital camera. Friends who shoot with the Leica M8 produce images with > sharper, clearer definition than I can achieve with my hybrid Oly/Leica > mix. > This is attributed to the unique way that Leitz chose to go with its > sensor > design, maximizing sharpness at the expense of sensor filtering. This > requires M8 owners to use filters on their lenses to make up for those > left > off the sensor. > > Admittedly, I have made my comparisons to images made by the rangefinder > M8 > rather than a comparison to the digital-back equipped Leica SLRs, where my > Elmarit originated. This is just a matter of convenience, and I'm not > sure > there is much difference between M and R lenses. > > So, to answer your question, IMHO, a digital Leica camera and lens > combination will outperform my combination. I chose to take a less > expensive route to enable me to get the quality of a Leica lens without > spending a lot of money. > > I have no desire to start a feuding discussion of the merits of Zuiko vs > Leitz lenses. I have more experience with Leitz than with Zuiko, so I > chose > that route. For what it's worth, my only Zuiko, a 14-54, is a very good > lens, and I use it frequently. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hudson" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South > > >> Question .............. would an Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on an Oly E-510 produce >> an >> image of exact equal quality to that produced by the same lens mounted on >> a >> Leitz made Leica camera ? I am not referring to one of those knock-off >> Panasonic branded Chinese made plastic bodies but to the real thing from >> Germany. >> >> If it would, what part in the equation is played by the Leica body other >> than lightening the photographer's wallet? >> >> If it would not, what would the genuine Leica body contribute to the end >> product? >> >> This, to me, seems an interesting question. In the days of film cameras, >> the >> lens and body in combination contributed to the quality of the end >> product, >> namely the image. >> >> Today, with mix and match the order of the day how does one disseminate >> the >> relative contribution of each of the lens and the body to the quality of >> the >> end product, namely the image? >> >> jh >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Nichols" >> To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" >> Cc: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 2:12 PM >> Subject: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South >> >> >>> Here in the upper Mid-South, we get a lot of threats of snow showers, >>> but >>> seldom see much of it. Today, on March 1st and anticipating Spring, we >>> awoke to about three inches of white, wet stuff. >>> >>> Leitz Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on Oly E-510, ISO 200, 1/500 at f/8, shot RAW, >>> processed in Elements 6.0. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Mid-South+Snow.jpg.html >>> >>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 02:06:06 2009 Received: (qmail 27741 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 01:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 01:06:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBA1430293 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAEF44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4217234AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:05:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C010E34AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:05:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFU008SMTPYYRJ0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:05:58 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-189.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.189]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:05:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:06:02 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <229DD223744F44EBA85C669CCC3ECDDA@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvoRAMe/qkkYigu9/2dsb2JhbACBU4hMyUsHhBMG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,286,1233547200"; d="scan'208";a="474258184" References: <39CE901A-9CF9-4940-A452-27D590F89B41@people.net.au> <9f07ac840903010923x77518607lac432550638c58ab@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] pizza, was New Bessa Pics X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 02:06:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab30fe75491234514069 Didn't it have a history of seeing Yorkshire routinely bowl Warwickshire out with an innings to spare ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [OM] pizza, was New Bessa Pics > Those of us who really lived there spelled it Edgbaston :-) > Jez > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Andrew Fildes > wrote: > >> Some of us actually lived in Edgebaston, I'll have you know. >> Bloody peasants. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 27/02/2009, at 11:16 AM, wrote: >> >> > Suppose you went to the posh place out in Edgebaston? I spent six >> > months at ASTON... nuff said. >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 02:10:56 2009 Received: (qmail 21040 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 01:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 01:10:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C5A430334 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:10:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E4544004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:10:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE8434AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:10:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF4234AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:10:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:10:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFU00KOMTY1WZV1@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:10:49 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-11-189.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.189]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:10:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:10:54 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <4CBCDDDBBA9444B19987B74E6D3140D2@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvoRAPLAqkkYigu9/2dsb2JhbACBU4hMyT0HhBMG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,286,1233547200"; d="scan'208";a="475781252" References: <39CE901A-9CF9-4940-A452-27D590F89B41@people.net.au> <9f07ac840903010923x77518607lac432550638c58ab@mail.gmail.com> <49AACA54.5040705@m93.myzen.co.uk> <67B933F5-AFB9-43DE-8D6E-2469E77ED815@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] pizza, was New Bessa Pics X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 02:10:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab3220171571035110158 Drat ........should have put less money on the Hotspur !! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [OM] pizza, was New Bessa Pics > Those who live in places like Aston and Small Heath where I was > marooned before Edgbaston. > Now excuse me but I have to get some sleep after staying up half the > night watching Man. U. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/03/2009, at 4:48 AM, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > >> Not entirely certain to which bunch of bloody peasants Mr Fildes is >> referring? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 02:16:52 2009 Received: (qmail 30690 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 01:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 01:16:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62085430235 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B6244004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABD434AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:16:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0243D34AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:16:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:16:44 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n221GdJ7030037 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:16:43 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <7F1B99649722469BBC425533C6107AE5@hudson> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:16:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 02:16:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab3384206701234514069 John, In my case, it was purely a case of economics. Digital equipment is desirable because I haven't had a darkroom in more than forty years, and don't take a lot of images. At the size that images are normally displayed on the web, it is difficult to detect the differences in quality in any case. It works for me. YMMV Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South > Hi Jim and also to John D in south Wales ... > > I had no thought whatsoever about stirring up a feud about the the merits > of > Olympus and Leica optics. I have quite a collection of both Leica M and > Olympus OM film cameras and lenses, plus also Olympus E series digital > bodies and lenses, and am appreciative of the high quality and output of > each system individually. I wouldn't part with any of the three systems. > > Mention of the mix and match combos of Leica and Olympus equipment that > have > come to light in recent, and not so recent, postings got me thinking about > the performance of those combos and how they might measure up against the > performance of one or other system on its own. > > The question was asked out of curiosity and with no ulterior motive of > adding fat to a yet unlit fire. > > jh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South > > >> John, >> >> I own Leica film bodies, and several lenses, but cannot afford a Leica >> digital camera. Friends who shoot with the Leica M8 produce images with >> sharper, clearer definition than I can achieve with my hybrid Oly/Leica >> mix. >> This is attributed to the unique way that Leitz chose to go with its >> sensor >> design, maximizing sharpness at the expense of sensor filtering. This >> requires M8 owners to use filters on their lenses to make up for those >> left >> off the sensor. >> >> Admittedly, I have made my comparisons to images made by the rangefinder >> M8 >> rather than a comparison to the digital-back equipped Leica SLRs, where >> my >> Elmarit originated. This is just a matter of convenience, and I'm not >> sure >> there is much difference between M and R lenses. >> >> So, to answer your question, IMHO, a digital Leica camera and lens >> combination will outperform my combination. I chose to take a less >> expensive route to enable me to get the quality of a Leica lens without >> spending a lot of money. >> >> I have no desire to start a feuding discussion of the merits of Zuiko vs >> Leitz lenses. I have more experience with Leitz than with Zuiko, so I >> chose >> that route. For what it's worth, my only Zuiko, a 14-54, is a very good >> lens, and I use it frequently. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Hudson" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South >> >> >>> Question .............. would an Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on an Oly E-510 >>> produce >>> an >>> image of exact equal quality to that produced by the same lens mounted >>> on >>> a >>> Leitz made Leica camera ? I am not referring to one of those knock-off >>> Panasonic branded Chinese made plastic bodies but to the real thing from >>> Germany. >>> >>> If it would, what part in the equation is played by the Leica body other >>> than lightening the photographer's wallet? >>> >>> If it would not, what would the genuine Leica body contribute to the end >>> product? >>> >>> This, to me, seems an interesting question. In the days of film cameras, >>> the >>> lens and body in combination contributed to the quality of the end >>> product, >>> namely the image. >>> >>> Today, with mix and match the order of the day how does one disseminate >>> the >>> relative contribution of each of the lens and the body to the quality of >>> the >>> end product, namely the image? >>> >>> jh >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jim Nichols" >>> To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" >>> Cc: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 2:12 PM >>> Subject: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South >>> >>> >>>> Here in the upper Mid-South, we get a lot of threats of snow showers, >>>> but >>>> seldom see much of it. Today, on March 1st and anticipating Spring, we >>>> awoke to about three inches of white, wet stuff. >>>> >>>> Leitz Elmarit-R 28/2.8 on Oly E-510, ISO 200, 1/500 at f/8, shot RAW, >>>> processed in Elements 6.0. >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Mid-South+Snow.jpg.html >>>> >>>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols >>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 04:11:58 2009 Received: (qmail 32250 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 03:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 03:11:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D47430377 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A3844004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747A919F93C for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:11:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2657719F936 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:11:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (lmwoods@rcn.com whitelisted) Received: from webmail-out.lnh.mail.rcn.net (webmail-out.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.109]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:11:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.92]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 Mar 2009 22:11:49 -0500 Received: (from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net [209.6.134.92]) by ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.5-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id CEY64873 (AUTH lmwoods@rcn.com); Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:11:48 -0500 (EST) From: Lawrence Woods To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.8.5-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090301221148.CEY64873@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:11:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OM] Which zoom lens - 40-150 or 70-300? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 04:11:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab4e7e190451035110158 I am planning an Alaska national park tour and cruise for this summer. I will be taking my E-1 and 14-54mm zoom. I will have space for only one tele-zoom. I already have a 40-150mm (the old model-f3.5-4.5). Should I bring the 40-140, or get a 70-300? Will 300mm be overkill, and/or unusable on a moving ship? ----- Larry Woods lmwoods@rcn.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 04:43:36 2009 Received: (qmail 7785 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 03:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 03:43:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27F543029D for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3EB44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7165719F9B5 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:43:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF8A19F9A5 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:43:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f163.google.com (mail-gx0-f163.google.com [209.85.217.163]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:43:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so4362510gxk.14 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:43:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.95.202 with SMTP id e10mr1513328vcn.12.1235965408962; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:43:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20090301221148.CEY64873@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> References: <20090301221148.CEY64873@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:43:28 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9fe9b15cc643fd0b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Which zoom lens - 40-150 or 70-300? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 04:43:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab55e8160002336821329 70-300 Don't even hesitate on this one! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 04:54:39 2009 Received: (qmail 10911 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 03:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 03:54:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FADA430295 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3AD44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C638D34AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:54:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3711834AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:54:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:54:33 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n223sT3A009249 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 03:54:31 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <7F1B99649722469BBC425533C6107AE5@hudson> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:54:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 04:54:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab587f188269117217770 John, I have no Leica M gear. My most modern Leica is a Leica IIIf RD equipped with a 50/2.0 Summitar. This is gear from the middle 1950s, but still produces good images. A recent one, converted to B&W, is shown here. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Beech+Baron+B_amp_W.jpg.html Compare this to the following photo made with my E-510 and Elmarit-R 28/2.8. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Power.tif.html The LUG gallery that I use does a good job of displaying web images, which can be enlarged using the double arrow at the top or bottom. As far as I can determine, the images are comparable in quality. Why should I spend another 5K or 10K to get the latest and greatest? Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South > Hi Jim and also to John D in south Wales ... > > I had no thought whatsoever about stirring up a feud about the the merits > of > Olympus and Leica optics. I have quite a collection of both Leica M and > Olympus OM film cameras and lenses, plus also Olympus E series digital > bodies and lenses, and am appreciative of the high quality and output of > each system individually. I wouldn't part with any of the three systems. > > Mention of the mix and match combos of Leica and Olympus equipment that > have > come to light in recent, and not so recent, postings got me thinking about > the performance of those combos and how they might measure up against the > performance of one or other system on its own. > > The question was asked out of curiosity and with no ulterior motive of > adding fat to a yet unlit fire. > > jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 05:21:34 2009 Received: (qmail 15514 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 04:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 04:21:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9BC43033C for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232C644004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1780B34AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:21:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF0634AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:21:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sandyinchina@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.251]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:21:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so1979198rvb.50 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:21:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.125.9 with SMTP id x9mr2774932wfc.331.1235967687446; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:21:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20090301221148.CEY64873@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> References: <20090301221148.CEY64873@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:21:27 +0800 Message-ID: From: Sandy Harris To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Which zoom lens - 40-150 or 70-300? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 05:21:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab5ece271537350615338 Lawrence Woods wrote: > I am planning an Alaska national park tour ... > > Should I bring the 40-140, or get a 70-300? =A0Will 300mm be > overkill, and/or unusable on a moving ship? Why not get a 200 or 300 mm prime? -- = Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 05:22:11 2009 Received: (qmail 29963 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 04:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 04:22:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960E44303F0 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BD544004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:22:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B7634AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:22:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0EC34AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:22:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (cygnus@ctgonline.org whitelisted) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13783 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 22:21:51 -0600 Received: from pool-98-115-208-23.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (98.115.208.23) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 22:21:50 -0600 Message-ID: <49AB5F1C.7020801@ctgonline.org> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:22:52 -0600 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> <49AAD1C7.4040800@ctgonline.org> <7FA577B2-B69F-4A20-BC98-81F9F59E9CB5@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <7FA577B2-B69F-4A20-BC98-81F9F59E9CB5@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 05:22:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab5ef3240749117217770 Bob Whitmire wrote: > That's a pretty impressive device. I think I'll point myself that way > as well. Beats filling up this Mac Pro with hard drives and then > trying to formulate a Raid array. > I'm a follower of both TWiT and TWiP podcasts (This Week in Tech and Photography) and everyone there swears by their Drobos. It's not in my budget at the moment, but as soon as it is, I'm ordering one. The DroboShare looks pretty sweet as well - turns it into an easily-configured NAS device (Network-Attached Storage for those of you not quite that geeky....) -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 05:43:47 2009 Received: (qmail 9808 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 04:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 04:43:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F2A43030E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604C444004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457ED34AC01E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:43:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E33D34AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:43:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:43:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so2573982tid.10 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:43:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.95.11 with SMTP id s11mr8085891tib.24.1235969019754; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:43:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?127.0.0.1? (124-171-160-119.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.160.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d7sm11261213tib.2.2009.03.01.20.43.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:43:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49AB63F0.1030909@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:43:28 +1000 From: Marc Lawrence User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> <4D556C71-BCCD-4B42-BFDB-DDD56657D3F1@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <4D556C71-BCCD-4B42-BFDB-DDD56657D3F1@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 05:43:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab6402305141470116606 Bob Whitmire wrote: > Just don't forget you have it. I've done that, bought something > (though not so spectacular as a new DSLR) and then forgot I bought it. > The biggest rush comes from finding books I bought months ago and > forgot about. Suddenly, something to read! Yes, I know that feeling. My TBR pile is getting absurd, and yet my "To buy" list is still growing with complete disregard. Bob Whitmire wrote: > ... > Maybe Marc's right. Get an axe and head for town. If Godzilla's not > available . . . > ... As Pinky sang, "Run to the bedroom, In the suitcase on the left You'll find my favourite axe. Don't look so frightened This is just a passing phase, One of my bad days." Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 05:44:40 2009 Received: (qmail 19399 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 04:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 04:44:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3AE4302A1 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009B844004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:44:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B1919FA77 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:44:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6448819FA70 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:44:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so2574161tid.10 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.90.9 with SMTP id n9mr8100229tib.6.1235969071359; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?127.0.0.1? (124-171-160-119.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.160.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm285848tia.30.2009.03.01.20.44.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:44:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49AB6426.9020208@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:44:22 +1000 From: Marc Lawrence User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <320252F0-080F-4EB0-8360-C2C4CAE46061@roadrunner.com> <327A0BBB-34FC-4B5C-ACD8-62B1312DFA30@roadrunner.com> <4D556C71-BCCD-4B42-BFDB-DDD56657D3F1@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 05:44:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab643828081744846740 Andrew Fildes wrote: > 50D? 5D MkII (rumours of an imminent price rise lead me into temptation, and surrender has always worked for me in the past) Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 05:53:16 2009 Received: (qmail 30623 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 04:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 04:53:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0392430423 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A772D0404A for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2C219FAA8 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:53:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249E119FAA1 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:53:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1240660ywk.80 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:53:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.77.18 with SMTP id e18mr1523599vck.85.1235969589247; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:53:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20090301221148.CEY64873@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:53:09 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6caee3c6ff349d39 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Which zoom lens - 40-150 or 70-300? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 05:53:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab663c269101234514069 > > Why not get a 200 or 300 mm prime? > I'm ALMOST of the opinion that the DZ 70-300 is a "must have" lens. The minimum aperture is a bit slim for some of my work, but the lens is extremely compact, lightweight and sharp enough and good enough to warrant having. I spent a few quality minutes with the lens and thought about how I would use it. The 50-200 is obviously a better quality lens, but the 70-300 just feels good. I don't recall ever using a "consumer grade" super zoom that I ever felt impressed with--this is the first for me. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 05:58:37 2009 Received: (qmail 11832 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 04:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 04:58:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96AB43041E for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1DD44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB81019FAC0 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:58:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471EB19FAA1 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:58:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4561 invoked by uid 502); 2 Mar 2009 04:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.165.232) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Mar 2009 04:58:29 -0000 Message-ID: <49AB676D.3000507@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:58:21 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Heads-up - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 05:58:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab677d215561585427447 Chris Crawford wrote: > It has 6 days to go....some fool will bid it up to $1500 by the end, though the lens costs half that new. It is a neat lens though... Chris Crawford wrote: > No, I'm not. I see things like this sell on ebay for far more than KEH, B&H, and other stores sell them for used, often. It sold for $305. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 05:59:28 2009 Received: (qmail 6451 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 04:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 04:59:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94904303B7 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2952544004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E84934AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:59:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5718434AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:59:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f163.google.com (mail-gx0-f163.google.com [209.85.217.163]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so4391065gxk.14 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:59:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.76.149 with SMTP id c21mr1524927vck.66.1235969960785; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:59:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:59:20 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d895b135767ab96f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Who says you need Image Stabilization X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 05:59:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab67b070971342116753 I just posted a new "Picture of the Fortnight" on the www.zone-10.comwebsite. Handheld from my jeep at 1/20 in a 25 MPH wind with gusts up to 40 MPH. Me thinks Olympus actually did put Image-Stabilization in that E-1. ;) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 06:35:21 2009 Received: (qmail 19548 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 05:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 05:35:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524A84302D7 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587A244004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A37719F818 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:35:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4433F19DD02 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:35:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30072 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 05:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.227) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 05:35:06 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20090301221148.CEY64873@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Message-Id: <8E5ED5DA-6D9A-4653-8179-9EDC1C6B5404@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:35:03 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Which zoom lens - 40-150 or 70-300? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 06:35:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab701991591993019900 That was my impression too using it on the E-520 when it was first released. In nice, sunny weather I got some very good, sharp shots of beasties. Of course, that was with IS. I just suggested the 'superzoom' kit to a friend who shoots motorbikes - he's the Phillip Island course chaplin. As Stephen Scharf discovered, you really need 600mm for the bikes down there. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/03/2009, at 3:53 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > I'm ALMOST of the opinion that the DZ 70-300 is a "must have" > lens. The > minimum aperture is a bit slim for some of my work, but the lens is > extremely compact, lightweight and sharp enough and good enough to > warrant > having. I spent a few quality minutes with the lens and thought > about how I > would use it. The 50-200 is obviously a better quality lens, but > the 70-300 > just feels good. I don't recall ever using a "consumer grade" > super zoom > that I ever felt impressed with--this is the first for me. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 08:00:58 2009 Received: (qmail 19890 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 07:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 07:00:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84253430393 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:00:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938E344004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:00:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7354619FC8E for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 08:00:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab842938811529615919 As seen yesterday on the main shopping street of Charleroi (Belgium): http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#483517858_k9WHP-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 08:22:17 2009 Received: (qmail 12717 invoked by uid 0); 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 08:22:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab8929212941702588592 tormenta de verano en la bah=EDa de Maldonado [ summer storm on Madonado ba= y ] small: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3322170886/ large: 1280 x 859 http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3322170886/sizes/o/ Data: handheld Olympus OM 4 on Multi-Spot Metering Mode, Zuiko 24mm F =3D 1:2,8 = @ f =3D 1:8, lens hood, B+W UV filter, Winder 2, Eyecup 1. Provia 100F - Nikon 4000ED sRGB Comments welcome !! Thanks for looking :-) Fernando. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 08:26:14 2009 Received: (qmail 3457 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 07:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 07:26:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A334303E2 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F3F44004F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC2A19FCBF for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:26:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3642819FCBA for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:26:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.145]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so1684853qwj.26 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:26:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.37.147 with SMTP id x19mr7014859qad.145.1235978767380; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:26:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?127.0.0.1? (124-171-160-119.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.160.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm573460ywp.51.2009.03.01.23.26.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:26:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49AB8A05.7080506@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:25:57 +1000 From: Marc Lawrence User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <567DB841-081B-4592-9B01-740094D14724@frozenlight.eu> <49AB9726.1050300@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <49AB9726.1050300@adinet.com.uy> Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_tormenta_de_verano_en_la_bah=EDa_de?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Maldonado_=5B_summer_storm_on_Madonado_bay_=5D?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 08:26:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab8a16280231946193717 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > tormenta de verano en la bah=EDa de Maldonado [ summer storm on Madonado = bay ] > small: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3322170886/ > large: > 1280 x 859 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3322170886/sizes/o/ Very nice, Fernando. The silhouette of the tree is a particularly nice = touch, in front of the near-silhouette of the curve of bay's shore. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 09:33:46 2009 Received: (qmail 31710 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 08:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 08:33:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0974443028A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:33:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C96244004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0547F34AC055 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:33:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3EA34AC01E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:33:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-248.ctimail.com [61.93.57.248]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n228XYvT014365 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:33:34 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n228XXqV021277 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:33:33 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49AB676D.3000507@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:32:57 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 09:33:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ab99ea19311823421471 Just happen to see the same seller has a OM 16mm fisheye (270352041662), the idea of using it on MF is interesting. Fortunately my OM 16mm was back to me last year, it is a great lens with very good resolution: http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_02/5D2_2.htm C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > Chris Crawford wrote: >> It has 6 days to go....some fool will bid it up to $1500 by the end, >> though the lens costs half that new. It is a neat lens though... > Chris Crawford wrote: >> No, I'm not. I see things like this sell on ebay for far more than KEH, >> B&H, and other stores sell them for used, often. > > It sold for $305. > > Moose > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 10:19:13 2009 Received: (qmail 7282 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 09:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 09:19:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920094302CE for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:19:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7F444004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E82B19DBB5 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:19:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D437819DBB3 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:19:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:19:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3E2C96CF for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:41:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49AAD1C7.4040800@ctgonline.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:19:03 +0000 References: <26936616-A5DD-48D4-82D5-A6FBF06E3A8F@roadrunner.com> <49AAD1C7.4040800@ctgonline.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 10:19:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aba491102521499373980 Hmm, Paul. It looks like a smart bit of gizmo, and it is very pleasant to watch the delectable Cali Lewis explaining it all, but Time Machine and a 1Tb drive are quite sufficient for me. I have around 280Gb of data on my hard drive so the TM HDD has not filled up yet, despite having used it for around 8 months. I suppose that my next step is to buy a new hard drive and disconnect the 1TB machine. Chris On 1 Mar 2009, at 18:19, Paul Braun wrote: > I may wait to upgrade the G5's until Snow Leopard comes out. By that > point, I hope to have a Drobo (www.drobo.com) stuffed full of 1TB > drives > that I can point all of the TM cliens to. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 10:22:07 2009 Received: (qmail 18626 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 09:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 09:22:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A7C4302A6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A955944004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B9F19DBB3 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:22:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F2219DBBC for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:22:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-072.ctimail.com [61.93.57.72]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:22:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n229Lwsg030142 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:21:59 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n229Lwe3000766 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:21:58 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <567DB841-081B-4592-9B01-740094D14724@frozenlight.eu> <49AB9726.1050300@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:21:44 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_tormenta_de_verano_en_la_bah=EDa_de?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Maldonado_=5B_summer_storm_on_Madonado_bay_=5D?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 10:22:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aba53f46131035110158 A very nice shot with beautiful color and composition! It seems that the = scan could do better, clipping of histrogram on both sides is not that nice= . = May be it is due to color profile conversion? C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" tormenta de verano en la bah=EDa de Maldonado [ summer storm on Madonado ba= y ] small: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3322170886/ large: 1280 x 859 http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3322170886/sizes/o/ Data: handheld Olympus OM 4 on Multi-Spot Metering Mode, Zuiko 24mm F =3D 1:2,8 @ f =3D 1:8, lens hood, B+W UV filter, Winder 2, Eyecup 1. Provia 100F - Nikon 4000ED sRGB Comments welcome !! Thanks for looking :-) Fernando. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 10:39:13 2009 Received: (qmail 21026 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 09:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 09:39:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B1C4302A7 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79C744004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:39:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D717034AC01E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:39:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BFA34AC04E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:39:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD3AC96C7 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:01:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49AB8A05.7080506@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:39:03 +0000 References: <567DB841-081B-4592-9B01-740094D14724@frozenlight.eu> <49AB9726.1050300@adinet.com.uy> <49AB8A05.7080506@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_tormenta_de_verano_en_la_bah=EDa_de?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Maldonado_=5B_summer_storm_on_Madonado_bay_=5D?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 10:39:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aba941221065368819438 Yes, I like that Fernando. The colours are *bold* and the composition dramatic. Chris On 2 Mar 2009, at 07:25, Marc Lawrence wrote: >> 1280 x 859 >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3322170886/sizes/o/ > > Very nice, Fernando. The silhouette of the tree is a particularly nice > touch, in front of the near-silhouette of the curve of bay's shore. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 10:49:51 2009 Received: (qmail 10132 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 09:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 09:49:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5B64302CD for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC0544004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0DD19DC2A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:49:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D50B19DC59 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:49:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A45C96FE for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:12:21 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:49:44 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 10:49:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ababbf33841744846740 Qu=E9, Joel? Is this a special way of saying things where you hail = from? :-) Chris On 1 Mar 2009, at 18:46, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Looks like it should be warmer than it is, and it's even > colder today than yesterday. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 10:51:58 2009 Received: (qmail 24032 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 09:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 09:51:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76795430151 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97E144004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:51:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86D019DC60 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:51:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B6E19DC5D for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:51:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:51:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0856C96FB for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:14:28 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <2763DDED-C0CD-499B-AEF2-187CDA6C3330@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0903011324nec3a616pe95074c386961c86@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:51:51 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <1359EEB65490458BAA0E9D88054455B8@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0903011324nec3a616pe95074c386961c86@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 10:51:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abac3e30991073733319 That's why I'm in the UK. I have lived in many hot countries around the world but, for all its faults, The UK has it all for me. Although I sometimes wouldn't mind living in India, where I was born and lived for many years. Chris On 1 Mar 2009, at 21:24, Joel Wilcox wrote: > I grow less tolerant of heat as I grow older. I thought about moving > west and mountain country, but I like the green. I seem to be where I > need to be. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 11:48:58 2009 Received: (qmail 12719 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 10:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 10:48:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C9C4302A6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 02:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB2544004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 02:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C3819DD85 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 02:48:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A521819DD3D for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 02:48:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 02:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ians-mac-pro.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:48:41 +0100 Message-ID: <49ABB989.8040006@picturepedia.org> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:48:41 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <1359EEB65490458BAA0E9D88054455B8@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0903011324nec3a616pe95074c386961c86@mail.gmail.com> <2763DDED-C0CD-499B-AEF2-187CDA6C3330@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <2763DDED-C0CD-499B-AEF2-187CDA6C3330@threeshoes.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2009 10:48:41.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[737316A0:01C99B24] Subject: [OM] Votes needed - baby competition to get a vacuum cleaner X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 11:48:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.5835 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abb99a195611529615919 Hi all, Following the success of a colleague at work we decided to enter Luc in = the miele babycare contest to see if we could also win a vacuum cleaner, = it would please Kerstin and myself if you would vote for Luc W. please = use the following direct link. You just enter your email address and then click Luc W. bekommt meine = stimme. Then click on the confirmation link in the email that is sent to confirm = its a valid vote, You will not be added to any spam or mailing lists, at = least I wasn't when we voted 6 months ago. For non german speakers here below is the email I received, you have to = click on the second link in your email i.e. the one with 111111111 or = whatever number you have in yours. The picture of course was taken with olympus equipment and choosen by my = wife and mother in law for the cheeky smile (E-3 and 12-60) ;-) Thanks in advance Ian W *Miele Fotowettbewerb Baby des Monats* Sie erhalten dieses Mail, weil Ihre Mailadresse beim Miele = Fotowettbewerb "Baby des Monats" eingetragen wurde, um Luc W. eine = Stimme zu geben. Wenn Sie selber die Mailadresse eingetragen haben, klicken Sie bitte auf = den nachfolgenden Link, um die Abstimmung zu vervollst=E4ndigen: = = Wenn Sie die Mailadresse nicht selber eingetragen haben, werden Sie mit = diesem Mail gebeten, Luc W. Ihre Stimme f=FCr das "Baby des Monats" = abzugeben . Sie = erh=F6hen damit die Chance von Luc W., am Ende des Monats einen der neuen = Miele BabyCare Staubsauger zu gewinnen (weitere Informationen zu diesem = Produkt finden Sie unter = ). Falls Sie Ihre Stimme gerne abgeben m=F6chten, folgen Sie bitte diesem = Link = . = Falls Sie das nicht m=F6chten, k=F6nnen Sie dieses Mail einfach ignorieren. Miele kann nicht verhindern, dass Eltern oder gutmeinende Freunde des = Babys die Mailadresse von Dritten eintragen, um dessen Chancen zu = erh=F6hen. Sollten Sie sich durch das Mail aber bel=E4stigt f=FChlen, bitte= n = wir Sie, den Eltern des Kindes oder uns ein entsprechendes Feedback zu = geben. Mit freundlichen Gr=FCssen Ihre Miele Schweiz AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 13:18:50 2009 Received: (qmail 7991 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 12:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 12:18:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462074303D6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC0644004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73CC134AC056 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:18:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE5F34AC04E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:18:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rlovison@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0104.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0201.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0104.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC4249867A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:32:11 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0201 Received: by dm0201.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 049c515d) id dm0201.49a745ef.41eef1 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:18:40 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMZKi9Jq86gKbBbtAIAAAAB,a8ceeccbf9b466a47240d1a1c2935334 Message-ID: <49ABCEA8.7010603@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:18:48 -0500 From: Richard Lovison User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090301-0, 03/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Who says you need Image Stabilization X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 13:18:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abceaa85705368819438 Ken Norton wrote: > I just posted a new "Picture of the Fortnight" on the www.zone-10.comwebsite. > Handheld from my jeep at 1/20 in a 25 MPH wind with gusts up to 40 MPH. > > Me thinks Olympus actually did put Image-Stabilization in that E-1. ;) Yeah, it's called using your car and body parts as a makeshift tripod. ;) Beautiful capture. Richard -- Richard Lovison Photography http://www.richardlovison.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 13:28:25 2009 Received: (qmail 30652 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 12:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 12:28:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A9C430285 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D772644004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BFE19E065 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:28:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614A319E024 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:28:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (lmwoods@rcn.com whitelisted) Received: from webmail-out.lnh.mail.rcn.net (webmail-out.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.109]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.92]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 02 Mar 2009 07:28:18 -0500 Received: (from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net [209.6.134.92]) by ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.5-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id CEZ18966 (AUTH lmwoods@rcn.com); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:28:18 -0500 (EST) From: Lawrence Woods To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.8.5-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090302072818.CEZ18966@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:28:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [OM] Which zoom lens - 40-150 or 70-300? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 13:28:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abd0e9248411529615919 Sandy Harris: >> Why not get a 200 or 300 mm prime? ---------- I plan to take only the E-1 and two lenses. A single prime, especially one as long as 200mm (on 4/3rds) is too specialized. I took an Alaska cruise once before, bringing an OM-2n with 24/2.8, 50/1.8, 100/2.8, and 200/5 lenses. I felt I was well equipped, except at the long end. This trip will include National Parks, where hopefully there will be wildlife to observe. ---------- Ken Norton: > 70-300 > Don't even hesitate on this one! ... >I'm ALMOST of the opinion that the DZ 70-300 is a "must have" > lens. The minimum aperture is a bit slim for some of my > work, but the lens is extremely compact, lightweight and > sharp enough and good enough to warrant having. ... ---------- Is this recommendation due to the longer reach, or better quality of the 70-300 over the 40-150 3.5? I still wonder how much of the longer reach will be usable on a handheld E-1. In an unrelated list message yesterday, Ken said "Me thinks Olympus actually did put Image-Stabilization in that E-1." I agree that I can sometimes pull off pictures on the E-1 with slower shutter speeds than I could on my OM2n, but not much. Should I bring a monopod? Would it help or hurt on a ship running its engines? ----- Larry Woods lmwoods@rcn.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 13:35:46 2009 Received: (qmail 19299 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 12:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 12:35:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F7F43022C for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2432444004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F117B34AC04E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:35:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C40E34AC01E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:35:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 17 days 15:59:56 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-29-108.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.29.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n22CZVVg013822 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:35:32 -0200 Message-ID: <49ABE0A0.6070505@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:35:28 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <567DB841-081B-4592-9B01-740094D14724@frozenlight.eu> <49AB9726.1050300@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_tormenta_de_verano_en_la_bah=EDa_de?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Maldonado_=5B_summer_storm_on_Madonado_bay_=5D?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 13:35:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abd2a2150701234514069 Thanks, C.H. Yes, I had noticed the histogram clipped, specially in the Red channel - Thought noone would care to open the .jpeg to check it ! :-) And yes again: made most curves and sharpen in Lab, when saw Levels in Lab ... wow, it was just too late to start all over (3 a.m.) _ :-( Seems clipping is more noticeable in RGB, really just don't know as I had already made some other color adjustments in RGB. Anyway, I was smart enough to not use NI this time: not a single noise reduction s'ware. Tempted to use high-pass-sharpening instead of Brightness in Lab ... no time last night, finished uploading at 5:30 a.m. Nevermind: I have the .tiff right out of the 4000ED, shall try again as soon as possible ( next week ... ) - I feel curious on how would it look like when fitted into a proper histogram , perhaps a little less dramatic :-) Shall announce v.2 although I wouldn't like to bore the list. Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > A very nice shot with beautiful color and composition! It seems that the > scan could do better, clipping of histrogram on both sides is not that nice. > May be it is due to color profile conversion? > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 13:44:39 2009 Received: (qmail 8855 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 12:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 12:44:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F70B43031F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCA144004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:44:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD85F19E0A1 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:44:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AED419DFFE for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:44:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f163.google.com (mail-gx0-f163.google.com [209.85.217.163]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:44:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so4525535gxk.14 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:44:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.251.8 with SMTP id y8mr4599160anh.68.1235997872924; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:44:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:44:32 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 13:44:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abd4b7220301702588592 Chris, Just a way of saying that with the abundance of sunlight we have enjoyed over the last few days, it is surprising that we could not get above freezing. It is winter teasing us merely. Joel W. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:49 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Qu=E9, Joel? =A0Is this a special way of saying things where you hail > from? :-) > > Chris > > On 1 Mar 2009, at 18:46, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> Looks like it should be warmer than it is, and it's even >> colder today than yesterday. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 13:50:16 2009 Received: (qmail 2783 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 12:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 12:50:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500BE4302CD for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3394944004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F388C19E0BD for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:50:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.711 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.711 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF12A19E0B3 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:50:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 17 days 16:14:23 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:50:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-29-108.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.29.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n22Cnt7U014544 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:49:55 -0200 Message-ID: <49ABE3FE.905@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:49:50 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <567DB841-081B-4592-9B01-740094D14724@frozenlight.eu> <49AB9726.1050300@adinet.com.uy> <49AB8A05.7080506@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_tormenta_de_verano_en_la_bah=EDa_de?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Maldonado_=5B_summer_storm_on_Madonado_bay_=5D?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 13:50:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abd60876131234514069 I like that too, Chris, Marc. I watched more on these than on the histogram - but I fear that when I = print a copy in a Frontier, it would come out *too* bold ... :-( Nice you can see its boldness in an imac monitor (isn't it so ?) - when = I happened to check some .jpeg in an imac 20 monitor, colours seemed = lighter and contrast too high (calibration problems? ... perhaps !). This led me to re-read what's been said here at the list, on the latest = monitors and printing thread _ great list this one, always a step ahead = of my thoughts :-) Fernando. Chris Barker wrote: > Yes, I like that Fernando. The colours are *bold* and the composition = > dramatic. > > Chris > > On 2 Mar 2009, at 07:25, Marc Lawrence wrote: > > = >>> 1280 x 859 >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3322170886/sizes= /o/ >>> = >> Very nice, Fernando. The silhouette of the tree is a particularly nice >> touch, in front of the near-silhouette of the curve of bay's shore. >> = > > = -- = Dr. Fernando Gonz=E1lez Gentile M.D. Av.L.P.Ponce 1526B - 11600 Montevideo, Uruguay. Phone: +598 2 7084858 Fax: +598 2 7087396 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 13:55:08 2009 Received: (qmail 18526 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 12:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 12:55:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E24043022C for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF01F44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF40619E0D7 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:54:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644CE19E0D6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:54:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1290625anc.35 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:54:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.163.8 with SMTP id l8mr3273072ane.24.1235998498651; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:54:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8E5ED5DA-6D9A-4653-8179-9EDC1C6B5404@people.net.au> References: <20090301221148.CEY64873@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> <8E5ED5DA-6D9A-4653-8179-9EDC1C6B5404@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:54:58 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903020454i3d8e21e0h1a89b6261ca3c18d@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Which zoom lens - 40-150 or 70-300? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 13:55:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abd72c29591257536491 As I have the old 50-200, I am used to the fact that it's not super-fast in AF. Accuracy and speed of focus has seemed to improve from E-1 to E-330 to E-3 as well. That's all good. But as I know there are better lenses out of the gate, I'm curious as to your impression of the 70-300's speed in focusing compared to a SWF lens. I suspect it's already better than the old 50-200 ... Joel W. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Andrew Fildes wrot= e: > That was my impression too using it on the E-520 when it was first > released. > In nice, sunny weather I got some very good, sharp shots of beasties. > Of course, that was with IS. > I just suggested the 'superzoom' kit to a friend who shoots > motorbikes - he's the Phillip Island course chaplin. > As Stephen Scharf discovered, you really need 600mm for the bikes > down there. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/03/2009, at 3:53 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > >> I'm ALMOST of the opinion that the DZ 70-300 is a "must have" >> lens. =A0The >> minimum aperture is a bit slim for some of my work, but the lens is >> extremely compact, lightweight and sharp enough and good enough to >> warrant >> having. =A0I spent a few quality minutes with the lens and thought >> about how I >> would use it. =A0The 50-200 is obviously a better quality lens, but >> the 70-300 >> just feels good. =A0I don't recall ever using a "consumer grade" >> super zoom >> that I ever felt impressed with--this is the first for me. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 13:58:49 2009 Received: (qmail 8727 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 12:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 12:58:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18615430298 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AC344004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D04B34AC055 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:58:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A58A34AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:58:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.152]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so1287051yxh.80 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:58:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.196.20 with SMTP id t20mr2198015anf.40.1235998721568; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:58:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:58:41 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903020458x41b9e4e8m688600dd1209a19@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Who says you need Image Stabilization X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 13:58:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abd809113581234514069 On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > I just posted a new "Picture of the Fortnight" on the www.zone-10.comwebs= ite. > Handheld from my jeep at 1/20 in a 25 MPH wind with gusts up to 40 MPH. > > Me thinks Olympus actually did put Image-Stabilization in that E-1. =A0;) It's the "infinity focus forgiveness" (IFF) feature. Nice shot bub. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 14:02:14 2009 Received: (qmail 21183 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 13:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 13:02:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3D043023C for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:02:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8551444004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FADF34AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:02:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C89E34AC01E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:02:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-215.ctimail.com [61.93.57.215]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n22D1sOs021953 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:01:59 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n22D1rIS010624 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:01:53 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <855BCCE78E1E4C1995D8B791BE33CAB4@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <567DB841-081B-4592-9B01-740094D14724@frozenlight.eu> <49AB9726.1050300@adinet.com.uy> <49ABE0A0.6070505@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:01:47 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_tormenta_de_verano_en_la_bah=EDa_de?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Maldonado_=5B_summer_storm_on_Madonado_bay_=5D?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 14:02:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abd8d6132841591313764 Usually I will not check histogram unless I found something strange. For = your image the shadow is ok as you may intended to kill unnecessary details= . = But the highlight (sky) could use a more smooth transaction, I believe ther= e = should be more details on the slide but I could be wrong. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] tormenta de verano en la bah=EDa de Maldonado [ sum= mer = storm on Madonado bay ] > Thanks, C.H. > > Yes, I had noticed the histogram clipped, specially in the Red channel - > Thought noone would care to open the .jpeg to check it ! :-) > > And yes again: made most curves and sharpen in Lab, when saw Levels in > Lab ... wow, it was just too late to start all over (3 a.m.) _ :-( > Seems clipping is more noticeable in RGB, really just don't know as I > had already made some other color adjustments in RGB. > > Anyway, I was smart enough to not use NI this time: not a single noise > reduction s'ware. > Tempted to use high-pass-sharpening instead of Brightness in Lab ... no > time last night, finished uploading at 5:30 a.m. > > Nevermind: I have the .tiff right out of the 4000ED, shall try again as > soon as possible ( next week ... ) - I feel curious on how would it look > like when fitted into a proper histogram , perhaps a little less > dramatic :-) > > Shall announce v.2 although I wouldn't like to bore the list. > > Fernando. > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> A very nice shot with beautiful color and composition! It seems that the >> scan could do better, clipping of histrogram on both sides is not that = >> nice. >> May be it is due to color profile conversion? >> >> C.H.Ling >> > > > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 14:19:56 2009 Received: (qmail 11643 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 13:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 13:19:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0598E430296 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F398F44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:19:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49FE34AC04E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:19:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876D234AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:19:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.206.240]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KFV00772ROMBETX@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:19:34 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <49ABDCEA.3020208@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:19:38 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <376564.69138.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com><847A7D8B-72F1-4FFD-9181-AFD8481E3274@people.net.au><49A79DE3.9030206@m93.myzen.co.uk><9F78F650-49A9-47F2-B8B9-F90841D37895@gmail.com><62AFA284A9BB4A3998ECDFB9E67FC6EA@daingtanfxkwk9> <213B0367B0E64C3A8EC9486A5300CAAD@itspcddm13> <9A7EC85FCBD745B2899E7C9B886933F3@daingtanfxkwk9> In-reply-to: <9A7EC85FCBD745B2899E7C9B886933F3@daingtanfxkwk9> Subject: Re: [OM] some nice commercials to keep you al from work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 14:19:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abdcfc177934673671140 In the 2S, diaphragm stop down lever is on a speed governor. Maybe that one's defective. Maybe not, never watched one in slow motion before. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Darin wrote: > Weird, I didn't notice that. > > Darin > > > David D Miller wrote: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TLB7N2A5GE >>> Slow motion of OM-2s firing. >> Why does the aperture open up slightly as the mirror is being raised? >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 14:20:40 2009 Received: (qmail 4350 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 13:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 13:20:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5842C430305 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD4C44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5424F19E168 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:20:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE8A19E155 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:20:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.206.240]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KFV007PARQ8BBOX@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:20:32 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <49ABDD24.1040603@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:20:36 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] some nice commercials to keep you al from work X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 14:20:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abdd28308509347015869 and second curtain pile-up as it comes to an abrupt stop. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Darin wrote: > I did notice how much the mirror bounces, and seems to have some side to > side wobble as well. Also, did you see the shutter curtain give a bit of a > jerk when the mirror is about 2/3rds of the way up? The rippling didn't > really surprise me though. > > Darin > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> I'm amazed at how much the mirror keeps bouncing up and down in the up >> position while the shutter is actually opening and closing, and did you >> guys >> see all the rippling on the shutter curtains during their travel! >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 14:28:07 2009 Received: (qmail 19720 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 13:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 13:28:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EC94302A6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DCC44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EDB19E1A0 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:28:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DD619DF6D for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:28:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0D3461581 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:47:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:28:00 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 14:28:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abdee7288837927319144 Gotcha :-) Yes, we're being teased over here as well, although not in as dramatic or extreme a fashion. There was a frost last night which might spoil some plants, but (more the point) might damage the rendering newly applied to our new conservatory. We had it applied because we thought that the frost was over ... :-( Chris On 2 Mar 2009, at 12:44, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Chris, > Just a way of saying that with the abundance of sunlight we have > enjoyed over the last few days, it is surprising that we could not get > above freezing. It is winter teasing us merely. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 14:30:07 2009 Received: (qmail 12352 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 13:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 13:30:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EC6430302 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:30:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB47AD0404A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C2434AC04E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:30:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A88234AC01E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:30:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2A846155C for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:49:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49ABE3FE.905@adinet.com.uy> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:29:59 +0000 References: <567DB841-081B-4592-9B01-740094D14724@frozenlight.eu> <49AB9726.1050300@adinet.com.uy> <49AB8A05.7080506@gmail.com> <49ABE3FE.905@adinet.com.uy> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_tormenta_de_verano_en_la_bah=EDa_de?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Maldonado_=5B_summer_storm_on_Madonado_bay_=5D?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 14:30:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abdf5f294791993019900 Yes, mine's an iMac, Fernando. But it is bright and calibrated so I am confident in its fidelity. Chris On 2 Mar 2009, at 13:49, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > I watched more on these than on the histogram - but I fear that when I > print a copy in a Frontier, it would come out *too* bold ... :-( > > Nice you can see its boldness in an imac monitor (isn't it so ?) - > when > I happened to check some .jpeg in an imac 20 monitor, colours seemed > lighter and contrast too high (calibration problems? ... perhaps !). > This led me to re-read what's been said here at the list, on the > latest > monitors and printing thread _ great list this one, always a step > ahead > of my thoughts :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 14:36:26 2009 Received: (qmail 31150 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 13:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 13:36:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88490430348 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0295144004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74B234AC055 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:36:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3DE34AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:36:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:36:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Le8Je-0000kw-Ba for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:36:18 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Le8Jd-0004Ax-Qp for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:36:17 +0000 Message-ID: <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:36:23 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 14:36:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abe0da163422046811720 Chris Barker wrote: > Gotcha :-) > > Yes, we're being teased over here as well, although not in as dramatic > or extreme a fashion. There was a frost last night which might spoil > some plants, but (more the point) might damage the rendering newly > applied to our new conservatory. We had it applied because we thought > that the frost was over ... :-( > > Chris > The Scots saying (there are a number of forms); 'Dinna cast clout till May be oot' is apposite here. Whether you count that as the end of May or when the flowers of the may are in bloom, it's good advice, up here at least... D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 14:44:39 2009 Received: (qmail 32139 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 13:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 13:44:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F3D4303EB for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD2044004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E0D19E250 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:44:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DEC19E1D1 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:44:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.71] (71.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.71]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA533DA356 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:44:22 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:44:21 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <49AC9985.28722.36894D@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090301-0, 01/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] (OM) that Sigma 14mm rectilinear lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 14:44:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abe2c715945368819438 Yes, as noted it went for $305 US in an obvious snipe bid. All the 6 - 7 bids except the first were snipe bids. I had a snipe bid in there courtesy a List member, but 305 is too rich for me at present. At the current terrible exchange rate that is about $620 NZ. I note the comments about the lack of list traffic - I thought I had missed a digest, but obviously the USA/Canada snow storm was the culprit. I hope all folks on this list are OK Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 15:31:28 2009 Received: (qmail 27716 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 14:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 14:31:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794C64302BA for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8A744004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:31:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F703610010 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:31:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416D33618010 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:31:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f163.google.com (mail-gx0-f163.google.com [209.85.217.163]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:31:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so4601020gxk.14 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 06:31:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.98.16 with SMTP id o16mr1569720vcn.84.1236004275420; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 06:31:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20090302072818.CEZ18966@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> References: <20090302072818.CEZ18966@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:31:15 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a77359e39e18fbf7 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Which zoom lens - 40-150 or 70-300? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 15:31:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abedc047111993019900 > > Is this recommendation due to the longer reach, or better > quality of the 70-300 over the 40-150 3.5? I still wonder how > much of the longer reach will be usable on a handheld E-1. > Longer reach. On the E-1, it should balance very well. I can easily handhold the Zuiko 300/4.5, but not the Tokina AT-X 100-300. In an unrelated list message yesterday, Ken said "Me thinks > Olympus actually did put Image-Stabilization in that E-1." I > agree that I can sometimes pull off pictures on the E-1 with > slower shutter speeds than I could on my OM2n, but not much. > Should I bring a monopod? Would it help or hurt on a ship > running its engines? > I'd bring the monopod, but on the ship you do run into the potential of engine-born vibration. This varies so much on the ship, though. Some ships you can't even feel any vibration, other ones the propeller cavitation will make all photography nearly impossible. I'd definitely bring it because you won't be on the ship the entire time. and some monopods make great walking sticks, anyway. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 15:34:21 2009 Received: (qmail 23327 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 14:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 14:34:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E054303A9 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C97944004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC5034AC055 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:34:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B7834AC05D for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:34:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so1308027yxh.80 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 06:34:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.73.198 with SMTP id r6mr1590548vcj.29.1236004452188; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 06:34:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:34:09 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1e7131e98cf28365 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 15:34:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abee6d250871234514069 > > Just a way of saying that with the abundance of sunlight we have > enjoyed over the last few days, it is surprising that we could not get > above freezing. It is winter teasing us merely. > No kidding. It looked beautiful this morning, but my Jeep's thermometer said 14 degrees. Stay tuned, it's supposed to warm up this week. I'm looking forward to bicycle weather. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 16:05:50 2009 Received: (qmail 29246 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 15:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 15:05:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591F4430277 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:05:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1B344004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF0019E463 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:05:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA21F19E469 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:05:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (donholbrook@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:05:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NCSB1b0090Fqzac55F5i2Y; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:05:42 +0000 Received: from sz0029.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.79]) by OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NF6n1b00m1iZpPQ3UF6n2x; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:06:47 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:05:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Don Holbrook To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.96.58.79] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.11_GA_2730.RHEL5_64 (zclient/5.0.11_GA_2730.RHEL5_64) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 16:05:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abf5ce196909117217770 I rarely comment, but #1181 is absolutely stunning. ----- Original Message ----- From: C.H.Ling To: Olympus Camera Discussion Sent: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM Just happen to see the same seller has a OM 16mm fisheye (270352041662), the idea of using it on MF is interesting. Fortunately my OM 16mm was back to me last year, it is a great lens with very good resolution: http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_02/5D2_2.htm C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 16:21:39 2009 Received: (qmail 3100 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 15:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 15:21:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D20430395 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC1644004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BE734AC056 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:21:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1DB34AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:21:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Le9xT-0006lA-TQ for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:21:31 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Le9xJ-0001bk-I7 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:21:21 +0000 Message-ID: <49ABF972.4080008@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:21:22 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 16:21:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49abf982154589347015869 Don Holbrook wrote: > I rarely comment, but #1181 is absolutely stunning. > > Yes, Ling's good at those... ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 16:52:34 2009 Received: (qmail 23470 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 15:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 15:52:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8649E430305 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:52:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC9E44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:52:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E456534AC055 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:52:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A3C34AC04E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:52:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (frank@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LeARM-0000Sb-01 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:52:24 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:52:13 +0100 Message-ID: References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 16:52:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac00c220337350615338 Here in Holland same thing, until the end of May (ground) frost is to be expected. And why would Cambridgeshire be different from Scotland or Holland? Weatherwise that is, I can think of a lot of other differences which do apply... Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. We also have a lnice little Dutch 'proverb' saying Als het sneeuwt in mei is april voorbij. roughly (for rhyme's sake) translated: When it snows in May than April is away. Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:36:23 +0000, Donald wrote: >Chris Barker wrote: >> Gotcha :-) >> >> Yes, we're being teased over here as well, although not in as dramatic >> or extreme a fashion. There was a frost last night which might spoil >> some plants, but (more the point) might damage the rendering newly >> applied to our new conservatory. We had it applied because we thought >> that the frost was over ... :-( >> >> Chris >> > >The Scots saying (there are a number of forms); > >'Dinna cast clout till May be oot' is apposite here. > >Whether you count that as the end of May or when the flowers of the may >are in bloom, it's good advice, up here at least... > >D. > >-- >I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 16:56:44 2009 Received: (qmail 21291 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 15:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 15:56:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCD44302CE for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6336344004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F08361000F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:56:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A175B34AC056 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:56:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:56:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C48461577 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:16:19 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:56:34 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 16:56:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac01bc64109117217770 Yes, even with climate change. And I gather that more cold weather is on its way. Chris On 2 Mar 2009, at 13:36, Donald wrote: > > The Scots saying (there are a number of forms); > > 'Dinna cast clout till May be oot' is apposite here. > > Whether you count that as the end of May or when the flowers of the > may > are in bloom, it's good advice, up here at least... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 17:16:32 2009 Received: (qmail 88 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 16:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 16:16:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE2B430418 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:16:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06CF44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27F334AC05A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:16:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75B834AC056 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:16:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-124.ctimail.com [61.93.57.124]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:16:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n22GGISK020672 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:16:19 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n22GGHAO012661 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:16:18 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <481ED383AD474A5C8C08AE6A5954E36C@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:16:09 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 17:16:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac0660209331035110158 Thanks for watching and the kind comment, Don. BTW, it was taken with OM 200/4, not bad when you want to avoid the chroma of OM 180/2.8 :-) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Holbrook" >I rarely comment, but #1181 is absolutely stunning. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: C.H.Ling > > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > > Sent: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:32:57 +0000 (UTC) > > Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM > > > > Just happen to see the same seller has a OM 16mm fisheye (270352041662), > > the idea of using it on MF is interesting. > > > > Fortunately my OM 16mm was back to me last year, it is a great lens with > > very good resolution: > > > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_02/5D2_2.htm > > > > C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 17:17:25 2009 Received: (qmail 2870 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 16:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 16:17:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7DA430377 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC8D44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA0219E6E1 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:17:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F39F19E6A9 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:17:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907D546160F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:37:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <5293578A-FDD8-4785-A93F-B579D57A2240@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:17:17 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 17:17:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac0695198761591313764 Oh, Scottish weather is vastly different from East Anglia's, Frank. Either it's blowing harder, or it's (generally) colder from being so much further north. However, I do know that the Gulf Stream has a great effect on the temperatures, particularly on the west coast of Scotland. And we have booked a holiday on the west coast up near Lochinver, within sight of Suilvenn, a magical lump of rock. So we can test the effect of the Gulf Stream (again). Chris On 2 Mar 2009, at 15:52, Frank van Lindert wrote: > Here in Holland same thing, until the end of May (ground) frost is to > be expected. And why would Cambridgeshire be different from Scotland > or Holland? Weatherwise that is, I can think of a lot of other > differences which do apply... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 17:30:04 2009 Received: (qmail 9678 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 16:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 16:30:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6C643034E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC6944004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FD934AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:29:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84ED434AC01E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:29:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:29:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.145] (helo=anti-virus03-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LeB1f-0005cp-Gi for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:29:55 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LeB1f-0008Ne-0Z for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:29:55 +0000 Message-ID: <49AC0989.1000707@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:30:01 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <481ED383AD474A5C8C08AE6A5954E36C@main> In-Reply-To: <481ED383AD474A5C8C08AE6A5954E36C@main> Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 17:30:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac098c152391993019900 C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks for watching and the kind comment, Don. > > BTW, it was taken with OM 200/4, not bad when you want to avoid the chroma > of OM 180/2.8 :-) > > C.H.Ling > Hmm, I'm going to dig mine out right now; Oh, of course, I already did! Love that lens... ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 17:31:43 2009 Received: (qmail 2825 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 16:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 16:31:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F796430404 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7254144004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5749334AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:31:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D1A34AC058 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:31:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20169 invoked by uid 504); 2 Mar 2009 16:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.111?) (chucknorcutt@72.185.125.232) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Mar 2009 16:31:33 -0000 Message-ID: <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:31:33 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 17:31:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac09ef46321744846740 I think he has a habit of producing stunning water lilly pictures... as well as stunning photos of other things... not all inanimate. Chuck Norcutt Don Holbrook wrote: > I rarely comment, but #1181 is absolutely stunning. > > ----- Original Message ----- > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 17:34:04 2009 Received: (qmail 14866 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 16:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 16:34:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73504303E6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A149E44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E4E19E7C5 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:33:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4B819E79C for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:33:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21528 invoked by uid 504); 2 Mar 2009 16:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.111?) (chucknorcutt@72.185.125.232) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Mar 2009 16:33:54 -0000 Message-ID: <49AC0A72.2080507@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:33:54 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <567DB841-081B-4592-9B01-740094D14724@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <567DB841-081B-4592-9B01-740094D14724@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 1/3/2009: the universal plight of men X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 17:34:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac0a7c41711823421471 It perfectly fits the currently popular country song: "Waiting on a woman". :-) Chuck Norcutt Nathan wrote: > As seen yesterday on the main shopping street of Charleroi (Belgium): > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#483517858_k9WHP-O-LB > > Nathan > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 17:35:28 2009 Received: (qmail 16343 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 16:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 16:35:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56532430395 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E735B44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB85634AC057 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:35:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BE834AC055 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:35:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LeB6q-0002z8-Le for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:35:16 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LeB6q-0004jN-63 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:35:16 +0000 Message-ID: <49AC0ACA.5070201@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:35:22 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <5293578A-FDD8-4785-A93F-B579D57A2240@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <5293578A-FDD8-4785-A93F-B579D57A2240@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 17:35:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac0ad0147471073733319 Chris Barker wrote: > Oh, Scottish weather is vastly different from East Anglia's, Frank. > Either it's blowing harder, or it's (generally) colder from being so > much further north. However, I do know that the Gulf Stream has a > great effect on the temperatures, particularly on the west coast of > Scotland. > > And we have booked a holiday on the west coast up near Lochinver, > within sight of Suilvenn, a magical lump of rock. So we can test the > effect of the Gulf Stream (again). > > Chris Oooh, nice. It's been a while, I love it up there. Incidentally, when I was out in Glen Dee just the other week, a little red helicopter and one of your Tornado chums had a 'near miss'. I didn't get a shot, I was watching the chopper. He veered to his right all of a sudden, and when I took my eye off him I noticed the Tornado coming in the opposite direction, same height, going quite slow. Still only a handful of seconds before crossing the previous trajectory of the chopper. Busy sky... D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 17:38:08 2009 Received: (qmail 17208 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 16:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 16:38:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D209430373 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B8D44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:38:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCF619E7E5 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:38:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A7A19E7DD for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:37:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp04.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp04.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from 62-87-48-136.red-acceso.airtel.net ([62.87.48.136]:49656) by relay04.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.44]:1125) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1LeB9M-0007JB-D9 (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:37:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , LEG , Olympus Camera Discussion Message-Id: <0D6D5FEA-7E23-4D17-9A62-451D2CCF30AF@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:37:46 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?Nathan=27s_PAD_2/3/2009=3A_two_Brussels_se=F1?= =?iso-8859-1?q?oritas?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 17:38:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac0b6f226851234514069 My meeting at the Commission ended early, so I had time to enjoy the unusually good weather in Brussels during the afternoon: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#483736090_TgsTB-O-LB I look for them everywhere :-) Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 17:39:24 2009 Received: (qmail 3058 invoked by uid 0); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 17:39:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac0bbc304654673671140 SwissPace wrote: > Hi all, > > Following the success of a colleague at work we decided to enter Luc in > the miele babycare contest to see if we could also win a vacuum cleaner, > it would please Kerstin and myself if you would vote for Luc W. please > use the following direct link. > > > The picture of course was taken with olympus equipment and choosen by my > wife and mother in law for the cheeky smile (E-3 and 12-60) ;-) > > Thanks in advance > Now, if we all vote and you win the vacuum cleaner, will you be coming around to our homes to vacuum? -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 17:47:01 2009 Received: (qmail 21673 invoked by uid 0); 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.146]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so1796788qwj.26 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:46:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.73.66 with SMTP id p2mr1721213vcj.109.1236012406069; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:46:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <481ED383AD474A5C8C08AE6A5954E36C@main> References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <481ED383AD474A5C8C08AE6A5954E36C@main> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:46:45 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4050d8365508a844 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 17:47:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac0d8545411234514069 > > BTW, it was taken with OM 200/4, not bad when you want to avoid the chroma > of OM 180/2.8 :-) > I too, agree with the assessment of 1181. The 200/4 is probably one of those "best kept secrets" of the OM system. As much as I've raved about the 100/2.8, the 200/4 is right up there for me. Some of my very best "macro" shots continue to be taken with this lens. I had a 200/4 that suffered from a broken element or two and was BER (beyond economical repair). Before and after that point I had: - 100-200/5 (dog breath lens) - 200/5 (fine, but sloooooow) - Soligor 200/2.8 (actually about F4 in real speed, a dog bone) - Another 200/4 I'm definitely happily with my second 200/4. A silver-nosed speciman, it does the job extremely well and I think it really shines on a digital body even more than it does on an OM body. It balances extremely well and just feels good. The focus ring tends to be a touch stiff (same issue as with the 300/4.5), but it does stay put for long exposures and also when you are pre-focusing on a point during auto-races. The 200/4 is, in my opinion, a "must have" lens. No Olympus kit is complete without it. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 17:51:56 2009 Received: (qmail 8249 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 16:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 16:51:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC1943043D for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63A644004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:51:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DAB19E8B9 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:51:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E67119E8AC for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:51:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f7.google.com (mail-qy0-f7.google.com [209.85.221.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so735249qyk.22 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:51:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.77.18 with SMTP id e18mr1750593vck.85.1236012709267; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:51:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0D6D5FEA-7E23-4D17-9A62-451D2CCF30AF@frozenlight.eu> References: <0D6D5FEA-7E23-4D17-9A62-451D2CCF30AF@frozenlight.eu> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:51:49 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8f9ba2eb3dc9047c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?Nathan=27s_PAD_2/3/2009=3A_two_Brussels_se=F1?= =?iso-8859-1?q?oritas?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 17:51:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac0eac228151234514069 I enjoyed your "waiting husband." Yes, been there, done that... Fortunately, my wife buys most of her clothes over the Internet now. But a couple times a year... On the flip side, she has to tolerate my occasional visits to the camera shops... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 18:38:12 2009 Received: (qmail 27062 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 17:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 17:38:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1FF430423 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:38:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642F744004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4241019EB6E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:38:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FEB19EB55 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:38:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E77631409A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:09:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75CD314037 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:09:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49AC197D.8030603@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:38:05 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090302-0, 03/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 18:38:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac1984101071073733319 > > it's a miserable 61 degrees F in Tampa today. Hmm.... we had temps like that around here yesterday and today looks about the same. And you've more than a 20deg latitude advantage! :-) Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 18:44:45 2009 Received: (qmail 1104 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 17:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 17:44:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA37430378 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0664744004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DE419EBBE for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:44:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAC519EBB6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:44:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-014.ctimail.com [61.93.57.14]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n22HiV8R025366 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:44:31 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n22HiUWM024125 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:44:30 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:43:13 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 18:44:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac1b0d243511234514069 Thanks for the praise, Chuck and to all who like the shot. :-) Although they look more colorful under sunlight but I love them in the early morning. Since the first time I started shooting them at 2001 I have never got another more satisfactory result: http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/pict/Lotus/Lotus.htm Enjoy! C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" >I think he has a habit of producing stunning water lilly pictures... as > well as stunning photos of other things... not all inanimate. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Don Holbrook wrote: >> I rarely comment, but #1181 is absolutely stunning. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 19:09:19 2009 Received: (qmail 23611 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 18:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 18:09:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318D143041E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:09:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DA9D0404A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D4034AC055 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:09:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D71A34AC01E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:09:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4853140D0 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:40:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FB23140CE for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:40:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49AC20CD.6050800@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:09:17 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090302-0, 03/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Which zoom lens - 40-150 or 70-300? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 19:09:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac20cf260791234514069 70~300 and you'll wish for longer. Don't know if the 1.4x is compatible with this lens. Ship vibration could be a problem with a tripod but this is where IS comes into it's own. By all means bring a tripod for when going ashore or when ship motion isn't bad. This leaves a gap below 70mm which shouldn't be a problem but may mean more lens changes. That 40~150 is so small and light why not throw it in too? A little overlap is nice. BTW That 70~300 is at the top of my perfect kit list followed by the 9~18 and 12~60. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 19:10:00 2009 Received: (qmail 20623 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 18:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 18:09:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C42F43031F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:09:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C2F44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:09:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36ECC19ECAC for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:09:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA75619ECB2 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:09:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:09:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LeCZp-0002di-Jb for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:09:17 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LeCZo-0007Y1-Tx for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:09:17 +0000 Message-ID: <49AC20D3.7080809@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:09:23 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main> In-Reply-To: <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main> Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 19:10:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac20f8200271073733319 C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks for the praise, Chuck and to all who like the shot. :-) > > Although they look more colorful under sunlight but I love them in the early > morning. Since the first time I started shooting them at 2001 I have never > got another more satisfactory result: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/pict/Lotus/Lotus.htm > > Enjoy! > C.H.Ling I remember those. Gorgeous. They look internally lit, how'd 'e do that?! D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 19:15:59 2009 Received: (qmail 8540 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 18:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 18:15:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608D5430373 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6FE44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:15:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2FA19ED14 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:15:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7BC19ED05 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:15:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:15:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76ECA314044 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:47:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3788D31402A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:47:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49AC225C.5020906@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:15:56 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090302-0, 03/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] tormenta de verano en la bah?a de Maldonado X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 19:15:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac225f185751257536491 Beautiful, Fernando! Well done. A very, very small thing would be to clone out the small branch or pole sticking out right near the base of the trunk. To my eye it interrupts the curving flow of the tree. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 19:31:03 2009 Received: (qmail 4210 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 18:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 18:31:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79A5430415 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B52344004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DD534AC055 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:30:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5DB34AC01E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:30:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:30:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA5DC9729 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:53:31 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49AC0ACA.5070201@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:30:53 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <5293578A-FDD8-4785-A93F-B579D57A2240@threeshoes.net> <49AC0ACA.5070201@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 19:31:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac25e7302641744846740 Yes, that's a busy area, Donald. Normally the choppers are lower than the fast jets, though. Chris On 2 Mar 2009, at 16:35, Donald wrote: > > Incidentally, when I was out in Glen Dee just the other week, a little > red helicopter and one of your Tornado chums had a 'near miss'. I > didn't > get a shot, I was watching the chopper. He veered to his right all > of a > sudden, and when I took my eye off him I noticed the Tornado coming in > the opposite direction, same height, going quite slow. Still only a > handful of seconds before crossing the previous trajectory of the > chopper. Busy sky... > > D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 19:33:44 2009 Received: (qmail 1395 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 18:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 18:33:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207A843037F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:33:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FF5D0404A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A149A19ED98 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:33:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC6219ED79 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:33:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A88C96F6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:56:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6EA4B64F-1E78-4593-A567-BA3F0B97F56D@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49ABB989.8040006@picturepedia.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:33:36 +0000 References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <1359EEB65490458BAA0E9D88054455B8@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0903011324nec3a616pe95074c386961c86@mail.gmail.com> <2763DDED-C0CD-499B-AEF2-187CDA6C3330@threeshoes.net> <49ABB989.8040006@picturepedia.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Votes needed - baby competition to get a vacuum cleaner X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 19:33:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac268883854673671140 Done, Ian. Good luck :-) Chris On 2 Mar 2009, at 10:48, SwissPace wrote: > Hi all, > > Following the success of a colleague at work we decided to enter Luc > in > the miele babycare contest to see if we could also win a vacuum > cleaner, > it would please Kerstin and myself if you would vote for Luc W. > please > use the following direct link. > > > > You just enter your email address and then click Luc W. bekommt meine > stimme. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 20:08:45 2009 Received: (qmail 25680 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 19:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:08:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDCF43041E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30F544004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B248134AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:08:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6133634AC055 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:08:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-web12-z01 ([10.127.132.103]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090302190835.WEKU5965.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web12-z01> for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:08:35 +0000 Message-ID: <20090302190835.RGK4I.229239.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:08:35 -0500 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49AAEE7F.2000404@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 20:08:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac2ebd297461470116606 We have a foot of new snow. At least it didn't turn to rain at the end. Nothing but endless blowing curtains of white powder. And I'm stuck at my job and can't even get out with the camera. Oh, well. Who said even the first circle of Hell would be easy. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com ---- Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I had to opt for a light jacket. There's wind with that 61 degrees > today. Probably a wind chill all the way down to 55. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 20:15:16 2009 Received: (qmail 8176 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 19:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:15:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5D14303D4 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:15:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B22D0404A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947F519EEE4 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:15:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFF319EE5F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:15:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-web12-z01 ([10.127.132.103]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090302191510.TAWE16519.cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web12-z01>; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:15:10 +0000 Message-ID: <20090302191510.CYZ9H.229346.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:15:10 +0000 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4FBA7266349E45C7BB8BA13BD2C02041@hudson> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Cc: John Hudson Subject: Re: [OM] (OTC) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 20:15:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac304471831257536491 Wing Commander Barker or others from the UK are probably better equipped to answer, but I distinctly recall news reports during the unpleasantness down there that the Argentineans were exceedingly discomfited by the presence of Ghurka troops in their vicinity. (Language Police: I suspect the use of discomfited here is correct in both the older and newer meanings. ) --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com ---- John Hudson wrote: > Didn't the Ghurkas have an extraordinarily high kill rate in the Falkland > Islands and Iraq along with an extraordinarily low rate of rifle bullet > usage ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 20:23:27 2009 Received: (qmail 4440 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 19:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:23:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3ADD4303D6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD7E44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:23:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B69319EFEB for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:23:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9091119EFE8 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:23:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.145]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so1855316qwj.26 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:23:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.45.77 with SMTP id d13mr8120162qaf.153.1236021799924; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:23:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main> References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:23:19 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 20:23:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac322f153041838542571 I remember when you first posted thsoe Ling. Stunning. Charlie On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:43 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks for the praise, Chuck and to all who like the shot. :-) > > Although they look more colorful under sunlight but I love them in the > early > morning. Since the first time I started shooting them at 2001 I have never > got another more satisfactory result: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/pict/Lotus/Lotus.htm > > Enjoy! > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > > >I think he has a habit of producing stunning water lilly pictures... as > > well as stunning photos of other things... not all inanimate. > > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > Don Holbrook wrote: > >> I rarely comment, but #1181 is absolutely stunning. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 20:25:47 2009 Received: (qmail 3584 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 19:25:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:25:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120D24303C6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:25:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDEA444004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B568A34AC057 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:25:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405BE34AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:25:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LeDli-0004cL-IK for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:25:38 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LeDli-0002iX-3A for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:25:38 +0000 Message-ID: <49AC32B9.5020908@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:25:45 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20090302191510.CYZ9H.229346.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> In-Reply-To: <20090302191510.CYZ9H.229346.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Subject: Re: [OM] (OTC) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 20:25:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac32bb45681744846740 bwhitmire@roadrunner.com wrote: > Wing Commander Barker or others from the UK are probably better equipped to answer, but I distinctly recall news reports during the unpleasantness down there that the Argentineans were exceedingly discomfited by the presence of Ghurka troops in their vicinity. (Language Police: I suspect the use of discomfited here is correct in both the older and newer meanings. ) > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > Charming people, but shabbily treated (so what's new; the Moor has done his duty, the Moor may go) by the Empire. Just as long as they're not coming at you with the old steel banana, or have it out for show when you're within nicking distance. Once it's out, blood must be drawn... D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 20:26:32 2009 Received: (qmail 7175 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 19:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:26:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D9D430418 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:26:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E81544004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDB634AC055 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:25:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5B734AC057 for ; 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2 Mar 2009 19:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:27:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9174303C6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823F744004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6274F34AC058 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:27:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA09A34AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:27:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC110C96DC for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:49:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <3383326A-5317-4E91-B58A-1CACCBF12A4A@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <20090302191510.CYZ9H.229346.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:27:10 +0000 References: <20090302191510.CYZ9H.229346.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OTC) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 20:27:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac331d103321234514069 I recall those rumours as well. It wasn't really a fair fight ... Chris On 2 Mar 2009, at 19:15, wrote: > Wing Commander Barker or others from the UK are probably better > equipped to answer, but I distinctly recall news reports during the > unpleasantness down there that the Argentineans were exceedingly > discomfited by the presence of Ghurka troops in their vicinity. > (Language Police: I suspect the use of discomfited here is correct > in both the older and newer meanings. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 20:34:48 2009 Received: (qmail 14414 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 19:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:34:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E368D43040C for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:34:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A267944004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8762819F037 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:34:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393EE19EFDC for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:34:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-web12-z01 ([10.127.132.103]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090302193442.WNDH5965.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web12-z01> for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:34:42 +0000 Message-ID: <20090302193442.JFN3X.229667.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:34:42 -0500 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49AC9985.28722.36894D@bj.caverock.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) that Sigma 14mm rectilinear lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 20:34:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac34d8156382046811720 ---- Brian Swale wrote: > I note the comments about the lack of list traffic - I thought I had missed a > digest, but obviously the USA/Canada snow storm was the culprit. I hope all > folks on this list are OK I'm fine. Never mind another foot of snow on the ground, with three or four more inches to come tonight. Also never mind the temperature, which at the moment is around 12 degrees F. At least it's dry powder and not that foot of wet slop we got last Monday. Maine winters are one of the reasons I live here, but damn! this one's gone on about a month and a half too long. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 20:39:54 2009 Received: (qmail 15745 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 19:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:39:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23889430418 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D73844004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184A834AC04E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:39:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898DF34AC01E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:39:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-web12-z01 ([10.127.132.103]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090302193945.WOUI5965.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web12-z01> for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:39:45 +0000 Message-ID: <20090302193945.PX2UN.229748.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:39:45 -0500 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0D6D5FEA-7E23-4D17-9A62-451D2CCF30AF@frozenlight.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] =?utf-8?q?Nathan=27s_PAD_2/3/2009=3A_two_Brussels_se=C3=B1or?= =?utf-8?q?itas?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 20:39:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac360a111191257536491 Excellent. Nice to see Brussels was spared the wrath of Godzilla, and the weather's even nice. It's not nice here. How many meters of snow would you like? --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com ---- Nathan wrote: > My meeting at the Commission ended early, so I had time to enjoy the > unusually good weather in Brussels during the afternoon: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#483736090_TgsTB-O-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 20:47:30 2009 Received: (qmail 3707 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 19:47:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:47:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1BE43037F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31EAC44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE8D34AC04E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:47:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABE034AC056 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:47:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:47:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7360 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 19:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.227) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:47:13 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0903020454i3d8e21e0h1a89b6261ca3c18d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090301221148.CEY64873@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> <8E5ED5DA-6D9A-4653-8179-9EDC1C6B5404@people.net.au> <9e908c1f0903020454i3d8e21e0h1a89b6261ca3c18d@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <197D1684-6997-40F3-82D4-DF848524D882@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:47:11 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Which zoom lens - 40-150 or 70-300? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 20:47:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac37d2148105368819438 To be honest I can't remember - I don't particularly remember it 'hunting' or being particularly slow though. But I didn't use it on an E-1 either. At the moment I'm using a D3x with 24-70mm f2.8 and against that, everything seems slow to AF. It is frighteningly fast and quiet, so much so that I keep having to check that it has focussed.. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/03/2009, at 11:54 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > As I have the old 50-200, I am used to the fact that it's not > super-fast in AF. Accuracy and speed of focus has seemed to improve > from E-1 to E-330 to E-3 as well. That's all good. But as I know > there are better lenses out of the gate, I'm curious as to your > impression of the 70-300's speed in focusing compared to a SWF lens. > I suspect it's already better than the old 50-200 ... > > Joel W. > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Andrew Fildes > wrote: >> That was my impression too using it on the E-520 when it was first >> released. >> In nice, sunny weather I got some very good, sharp shots of beasties. >> Of course, that was with IS. >> I just suggested the 'superzoom' kit to a friend who shoots >> motorbikes - he's the Phillip Island course chaplin. >> As Stephen Scharf discovered, you really need 600mm for the bikes >> down there. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 02/03/2009, at 3:53 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >>> I'm ALMOST of the opinion that the DZ 70-300 is a "must have" >>> lens. The >>> minimum aperture is a bit slim for some of my work, but the lens is >>> extremely compact, lightweight and sharp enough and good enough to >>> warrant >>> having. I spent a few quality minutes with the lens and thought >>> about how I >>> would use it. The 50-200 is obviously a better quality lens, but >>> the 70-300 >>> just feels good. I don't recall ever using a "consumer grade" >>> super zoom >>> that I ever felt impressed with--this is the first for me. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 20:49:12 2009 Received: (qmail 18875 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 19:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:49:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71E64303AF for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8FA44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:49:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACC919ED39 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:49:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE10219F107 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:49:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7481 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 19:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.227) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:48:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:48:58 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 20:49:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac3838236711946193717 Wasn't that Begbie commenting on the start of the fighting season? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/03/2009, at 12:36 AM, Donald wrote: > The Scots saying (there are a number of forms); > > 'Dinna cast clout till May be oot' is apposite here. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 20:51:21 2009 Received: (qmail 4485 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 19:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:51:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581E8430430 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C4444004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7880619F02C for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:51:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD66119ED39 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:51:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7742 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 19:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.227) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:51:08 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> Message-Id: <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:51:07 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 20:51:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac38b8239121838542571 You wait until the Gulf Stream shuts down mate - then you're in strife! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/03/2009, at 2:56 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Yes, even with climate change. And I gather that more cold weather is > on its way. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 21:04:09 2009 Received: (qmail 15867 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 20:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 20:04:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDAE430443 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3FD44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1AA34AC055 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:04:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38A134AC01E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:03:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9786 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 20:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.145.227) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 20:03:54 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <0D6D5FEA-7E23-4D17-9A62-451D2CCF30AF@frozenlight.eu> Message-Id: <4DB23E67-C709-46BC-9E3D-3B39F67492B1@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:03:53 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?Nathan=27s_PAD_2/3/2009=3A_two_Brussels_se=F1?= =?iso-8859-1?q?oritas?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 21:04:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac3bb995451529615919 I eventually refused to go to a particular shopping centre with my wife - ever again. It wasn't so much the waiting but the trying on of stuff that looked great and then dithering/not buying despite my desperate urging. And the trying on of utterly inappropriate stuff and the expectation that I'd approve (as if!) Now her girlfriends go shopping with her and most of what she ends up with suits their taste (lousy). The last time I went she needed a winter coat. She tried on a Llama wool winter coat, great price and it suited her perfectly. I said YES, so did the assistant but she went in the routine again. I told her that I'd had enough and that if she didn't buy it, she could catch the train home - and I walked out of the shop. So she did and last winter, she wore it constantly and loves it. But, somehow, it's still all my fault. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/03/2009, at 3:51 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > I enjoyed your "waiting husband." Yes, been there, done that... > Fortunately, my wife buys most of her clothes over the Internet > now. But a > couple times a year... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 21:41:54 2009 Received: (qmail 8102 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 20:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 20:41:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF22430454 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6969844004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231DE19F2C5 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:41:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF6F19F2C0 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:41:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LeExM-00047C-BC for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:41:44 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LeExL-0004ly-SY for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:41:43 +0000 Message-ID: <49AC448F.3000306@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:41:51 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0D6D5FEA-7E23-4D17-9A62-451D2CCF30AF@frozenlight.eu> <4DB23E67-C709-46BC-9E3D-3B39F67492B1@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <4DB23E67-C709-46BC-9E3D-3B39F67492B1@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?Nathan=27s_PAD_2/3/2009=3A_two_Brussels_se=F1?= =?iso-8859-1?q?oritas?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 21:41:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac449231671234514069 Andrew Fildes wrote: > > The last time I went she needed a winter coat. She tried on a Llama > wool winter coat, great price and it suited her perfectly. I said > YES, so did the assistant but she went in the routine again. I told > her that I'd had enough and that if she didn't buy it, she could > catch the train home - and I walked out of the shop. So she did and > last winter, she wore it constantly and loves it. > But, somehow, it's still all my fault. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > Och, nothing really works. Fiona always asks for the truth, but of course she doesn't mean it. That's what I give her anyway, and she doesn't believe it. She usually does the opposite to anything I suggest, I've really given up trying to influence her. I've perfected a flat tone, blank expression response mode to all questions relating to fashion purchases. I do go into the shops; unless they're 'trendy boutiques', which are usually tiny, overstocked and crawling with mad, painted savages teetering on stilts. I get panic attacks in enclosed spaces with lots of people so I stay outside. Thanks be for online shopping. Now she can order and send back at will, and I can give my stock response from behind the laptop without lifting my head... D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 21:44:46 2009 Received: (qmail 31337 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 20:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 20:44:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CE643043B for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774E144004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A4234AC05B for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:44:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF8534AC059 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:44:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:44:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sproul-dhcp-245.ucr.edu (sproul-dhcp-245.ucr.edu [138.23.208.245]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id DKD25839 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:44:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3B183305-A89F-4186-B814-81AF5AEFE262@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49AC448F.3000306@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:44:38 -0800 References: <0D6D5FEA-7E23-4D17-9A62-451D2CCF30AF@frozenlight.eu> <4DB23E67-C709-46BC-9E3D-3B39F67492B1@people.net.au> <49AC448F.3000306@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?shopping=2C_was__Nathan=27s_PAD_2/3/2009=3A_t?= =?iso-8859-1?q?wo_Brussels_se=F1oritas?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 21:44:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac453e140222070262475 > Oh come on, you guys, shopping can be fun! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 21:50:38 2009 Received: (qmail 3561 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 20:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 20:50:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF53C430448 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:50:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BF744004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:50:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FB33610015 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:50:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCACB34AC056 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:50:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (frank@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LeF5j-0008BH-OH for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:50:23 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:50:13 +0100 Message-ID: <0ggoq4p6n56u8u2p9re723fl4np3idvra2@4ax.com> References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <5293578A-FDD8-4785-A93F-B579D57A2240@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <5293578A-FDD8-4785-A93F-B579D57A2240@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 21:50:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac469e318749347015869 I know of course, Chris, that Scottish and EA weather differ. But the climat of EA and Holland are much alike. One of the reasons for so many Dutch farmers and bulb growers to move over to your part of the UK! I thought that the eastern part of Scotland (lower areas) and East Anglia roughly share their winter temperature regimes too, but I am not sure about it. The west coast is quite different, much milder - when you do not climb the mountains of course. I have spent two holidays there, long ago - once by bicycle and once by car, always camping in a tent. It was mild, little rain (I was lucky), and enough sun as well. And humid! I will always remember the midges coming out at about 6 pm and not returning to their... yes, where do they go after dark? During my first trip I was still smoking cigars, but it didn't really put them off. The second time I brought a mosquito hood, which worked out quite well. Unfortunately it was always at dinner time, so one had to put the hood off and eat very quickly. What I also remember is the way the roads up north were built. Killing for cyclists: never around a hill, like in France or in the south of England, but always straight across. Quite steep, downhill I sometimes made 45 mph! All those road-signs 'blind summit'... I can still have bad dreams about those. But a beautiful country it certainly is. Frank. On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:17:17 +0000, Chris Barker wrote: >Oh, Scottish weather is vastly different from East Anglia's, Frank. >Either it's blowing harder, or it's (generally) colder from being so >much further north. However, I do know that the Gulf Stream has a >great effect on the temperatures, particularly on the west coast of >Scotland. > >And we have booked a holiday on the west coast up near Lochinver, >within sight of Suilvenn, a magical lump of rock. So we can test the >effect of the Gulf Stream (again). > >Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 22:13:44 2009 Received: (qmail 29348 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 21:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 21:13:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E91B430423 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B2D44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989C219F455 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:13:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB2C19F408 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:13:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090302211335.TLJK23750.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:13:35 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id NMDc1b0014Z9Gks02MDcju; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:13:36 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tExIl6w5yrUA:10 a=zs-lXjbfdOsA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=q5ymMrB2AAAA:8 a=D6A5qe75AAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=0TH5_RVX3cdXaOxMRRYA:9 a=qorBu5ktTdL2F4zzEw4A:7 a=TE30ttZbBUiKX1nwane0LMra0-4A:4 a=GL-Re4spl-cA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <1545F901B4D846DAB0345AB6E94EEA4D@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <20090302193442.JFN3X.229667.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:13:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) that Sigma 14mm rectilinear lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 22:13:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac4c08156911823421471 Wow! Although in the upper thirties today, it is forecast to be 76 on Thursday. Our usual weather, it was 65 on Thursday last and dropped to below freezing last friday. Our weather is always accompanied by great wind. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) that Sigma 14mm rectilinear lens > > ---- Brian Swale wrote: >> I note the comments about the lack of list traffic - I thought I had >> missed a >> digest, but obviously the USA/Canada snow storm was the culprit. I hope >> all >> folks on this list are OK > > I'm fine. Never mind another foot of snow on the ground, with three or > four more inches to come tonight. Also never mind the temperature, which > at the moment is around 12 degrees F. At least it's dry powder and not > that foot of wet slop we got last Monday. > > Maine winters are one of the reasons I live here, but damn! this one's > gone on about a month and a half too long. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 03/01/09 17:46:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 22:20:53 2009 Received: (qmail 445 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 21:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 21:20:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B48A430486 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC3144004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED1F34AC05F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:20:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC6334AC05B for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:20:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 18 days 00:44:59 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-53-250.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.53.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n22LKWDT016297 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:20:33 -0200 Message-ID: <49AC5BAD.3000901@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:20:29 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49AC225C.5020906@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <49AC225C.5020906@interisland.net> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_tormenta_de_verano_en_la_bah=EDa_de?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Maldonado_=5B_afterthoughts_=5D=2E?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 22:20:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac4db5264791257536491 Thanks a lot for your comments and suggestions Bob, Mike :-) Perhaps an anecdote can be told, one most of us have surely suffered. This is the beach where I go every summer. Since long, there were lots of pine trees growing there, where now only one remains. I have photographed this survivor several times. That afternoon everything felt as if the dryness of January was about to suddenly stop. I felt it was stopping at that very moment, so calmly put my trekker in the trunk, and drove slowly a few streets down to the beach. Looked at the storm while growing, chose the lens, crossed route 10 and started exploring my pine tree with the 24. I obviously knew beforehand that the sun would appear from under the clouds, and was waiting for that moment when it started to rain on the sea. Spot metered the rain close to the sea surface, five - six times perhaps, don't know. Framed as carefully as I could, avoiding a big blue truck at my right, and shot up from the ground from the back of a small red Peugeot - a tight shot indeed. Hadn't counted that only four frames remained, and later discovered that they suffered minor damage at the lab. Fortunately, the first one was not only the better composed and metered, but was not damaged at all. No film to load in my trekker - Velvia was in the fridge ... . The sun started to show up from the bottom of the clouds, while the rain was heavily plunging :-(. While storing everything back I suddenly realized that I had my digital Stylus in the dashboard !! - better than nothing I thought, and crossed back route 10 while deciding to zoom into the sun and its reflection on the rain-wet water. This is one of the .jpg the list helped me to recover, after accidental deletion ( never take a portrait of your 15 year only-daughter without her approval !! - being her father is no excuse ;-) ) 1024 x 769 - ( hope I didn't show it already ). http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3264896540/sizes/l/ > To my eye it interrupts > the curving flow of the tree. > It does, to my eye too. Tried as much as I could to make a different composition. Problem is even worse there: the branch superimposes over the rocky hill of Punta Ballena. Doubt about my cloning-out abilities .... I noticed that when shooting: wanted Punta Ballena to be distinctly seen :-( It was a tight shot, despite how well I know the area. I will keep on working on this, I don't want clipping highs - now I want to see Punta Ballena curved horizon back from the right of my pine :-) Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 22:31:07 2009 Received: (qmail 14731 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 21:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 21:31:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944B11C40F38 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:31:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F64CD0404A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F187A34AC057 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:30:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3377534AC01E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:30:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ogreve@millennics.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp-1.concepts.nl (smtp-1.concepts.nl [213.197.30.124]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:30:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 5571ff42.ftth.concepts.nl ([85.113.255.66] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtp-1.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LeFiv-0006Dw-VI for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:30:53 +0100 Message-Id: From: Olaf Greve To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:30:49 +0100 References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com><499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com><499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-Concepts-MailScanner-ID: 1LeFiv-0006Dw-VI X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: ogreve@millennics.com Subject: [OM] TOPE 37: new entry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 22:31:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac501b164631257536491 Hi, And another fine entry has just been sent to the TOPE gallery, and is up for views at the gallery! Go check it out!!! :) BTW: this Wednesday the anonymity will be lifted, but as always, further entries are still welcome for a few weeks more, so if you haven't sent in an entry so far, you can still do so. Cheers, Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to TOPE 37: http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=37 Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 22:40:51 2009 Received: (qmail 16375 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 21:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 21:40:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA466175024D for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A33A44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:40:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5310619F53C for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:40:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DCC19F30D for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:40:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ians-mac-pro.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:40:37 +0100 Message-ID: <49AC5255.2090806@picturepedia.org> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:40:37 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <1359EEB65490458BAA0E9D88054455B8@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0903011324nec3a616pe95074c386961c86@mail.gmail.com> <2763DDED-C0CD-499B-AEF2-187CDA6C3330@threeshoes.net> <49ABB989.8040006@picturepedia.org> <49AC0BE6.6030107@ctgonline.org> In-Reply-To: <49AC0BE6.6030107@ctgonline.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2009 21:40:37.0699 (UTC) FILETIME=[86882130:01C99B7F] Subject: Re: [OM] Votes needed - baby competition to get a vacuum cleaner X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 22:40:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac5263167711869477228 Thanks for all who have voted so far, we have moved up to 9th place so still a few votes needed. would love to take up the offer if you can pay travel costs ;-) or maybe I can stick an olympus sticker on our old one and send it on a round the world trip. Which reminds me if you haven't read it "round ireland with a fridge" is hilariously funny, and it changed my life by stopping me having if only moments. I can't say the same for the sequels. Paul Braun wrote: > >> >> > Now, if we all vote and you win the vacuum cleaner, will you be coming > around to our homes to vacuum? > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 22:59:28 2009 Received: (qmail 5044 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 21:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 21:59:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCD21751988 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCCC44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:59:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2839B19F656 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:59:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9B119F609 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:59:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rlovison@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0105.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0207.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0105.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AAE76005C for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:06:39 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0207 Received: by dm0207.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 049c5197) id dm0207.49a7ffd5.4159a0 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:54:28 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMZKi9JrFWUWk1ZfAIAAAAB,17c0f56d980b7e7ae36dab5f336efefa Message-ID: <49AC559D.7080402@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:54:37 -0500 From: Richard Lovison User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090301-0, 03/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 22:59:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac56c084141234514069 Andrew Fildes wrote: > You wait until the Gulf Stream shuts down mate - then you're in strife! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au Yes, this is something that isn't being talked about... the possible shutdown has to do with the amount of fresh water being dumped into the ocean with arctic melting, doesn't it? Richard -- Richard Lovison Photography http://www.richardlovison.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 2 23:08:07 2009 Received: (qmail 25734 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 22:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 22:08:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA891C40F4B for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DF444004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:07:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5344534AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:07:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626D134AC055 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:07:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.235]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n22M7rvL017719 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:07:53 +1100 Message-Id: <200903022207.n22M7rvL017719@mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:07:53 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:07:53 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?Nathan=27s_PAD_2/3/2009=3A_two_Brussels_se=F1?= =?iso-8859-1?q?oritas?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 2 23:08:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac58c7167557927319144 > Andrew Fildes <> wrote: > > The last time I went she needed a winter coat. She tried on a Llama > wool winter coat, great price and it suited her perfectly. I said > YES, so did the assistant but she went in the routine again. I told > her that I'd had enough and that if she didn't buy it, she could > catch the train home - and I walked out of the shop. So she did and > last winter, she wore it constantly and loves it. > But, somehow, it's still all my fault. > Andrew Fildes You have to remember that for women it's the "shopping process" that is important, not the result ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 00:57:26 2009 Received: (qmail 5446 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2009 23:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 23:57:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294B11C40F5E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4B644004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:57:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DCA19F9E1 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:57:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DC519F9D0 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:57:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d3a.3a5ee374 (34923) for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA038-5bb949ac71d4131; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:55:08 -0500 Received: from Webmail-mg05 (webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.153]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA028-5bb949ac71d4131; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:55:00 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:54:59 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 75.147.3.221 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41757-STANDARD Received: from 75.147.3.221 by Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com (64.12.142.153) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:54:59 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB69A96E6E765C-51C-129B@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com> Subject: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 00:57:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac7266149957927319144 Wow, Those Lilly shots are gorgeous. Seems CH has the animate and inanimate well covered. Suppose that leaves all the rest with room for improvement. Mike Although they look more colorful under sunlight but I love them in the > early > morning. Since the first time I started shooting them at 2001 I have never > got another more satisfactory result: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/pict/Lotus/Lotus.htm > > Enjoy! > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > > >I think he has a habit of producing stunning water lilly pictures... as > > well as stunning photos of other things... not all inanimate. > > > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 01:04:34 2009 Received: (qmail 7312 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 00:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 00:04:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF451C40F4A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:04:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBA744004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A09A19F9DF for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:04:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A1719F9AC for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:04:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.214.80]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sproul-dhcp-245.ucr.edu (sproul-dhcp-245.ucr.edu [138.23.208.245]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id ECH28531 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:04:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CB69A96E6E765C-51C-129B@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:04:26 -0800 References: <8CB69A96E6E765C-51C-129B@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 01:04:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac7412195281838542571 > > Although they look more colorful under sunlight but I love them in the >> early >> morning. Since the first time I started shooting them at 2001 I have > never >> got another more satisfactory result: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/pict/Lotus/Lotus.htm >> >> Enjoy! >> C.H.Ling Very nice, I remember those. Provia? They glow from the inside, gorgeous! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 01:09:39 2009 Received: (qmail 22357 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 00:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 00:09:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9071C40F61 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFDD44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA8934AC04E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:09:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784B034AC01E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:09:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 18 days 03:33:49 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-53-250.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.53.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2309ODp025003 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:09:27 -0200 Message-ID: <49AC8341.7080301@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:09:21 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com><499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com><499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 37: new entry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 01:09:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac7543121331035110158 And few comments so far. Cannot understand the exact reason for this: I always learned quite a bit from comments at TOPE. I can think of a good-enough reason, which has prevented me from writing down my thoughts when they came fresh: the anti spam measure which must be sorted out in order to leave a comment. It takes some time, and at least myself I have little spare time. Perhaps we should see the positive side of not leaving written words: each photograph could be considered as an in the sense Umberto Eco defines it: free to the understanding of the observer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umberto_Eco#Books_on_philosophy Anyway, I miss the times when people wrote three or four comments - they were invaluable to me in 2002-2003. Hope not anyone here prefers not to make a comment just because it might be felt as rude by the author. I think we list are hard skinned and well humored to make profit of such a situation. As a matter of fact, it should be much more profitable for the photographer to read a 'rude' comment. Short comment: I considered CHLing on my recent [IMG] as highly valuable, he even told when does he consider that an histogram should be studied; he even politely and accurately hypothesized why might I have gone out and got into clipping -besides that I was falling asleep :-)- now I see that half-dreamed electric blue sky and feel I will start again from scratch, because I myself deserve the effort. Fernando. Olaf Greve wrote: > Hi, > > And another fine entry has just been sent to the TOPE gallery, and is > up for views at the gallery! > Go check it out!!! :) > > BTW: this Wednesday the anonymity will be lifted, but as always, > further entries are still welcome for a few weeks more, so if you > haven't sent in an entry so far, you can still do so. > > Cheers, > Olafo > > Main page: > http://www.tope.nl > > Direct link to TOPE 37: > http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=37 > > Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: > http://www.tope.nl/events.php > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 02:56:24 2009 Received: (qmail 24442 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 01:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 01:56:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602581C40F02 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401BE44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257E7361000F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:56:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3F834AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:56:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1489928anc.35 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:56:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.76.213 with SMTP id d21mr2068193vck.82.1236045375473; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:56:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <49AC8341.7080301@adinet.com.uy> References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com> <499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com> <499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> <49AC8341.7080301@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:56:15 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a88eb825a2acaf7f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 37: new entry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 02:56:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac8e48172631257536491 > > I can think of a good-enough reason, which has prevented me from writing > down my thoughts when they came fresh: the anti spam measure which must > be sorted out in order to leave a comment. It takes some time, and at > least myself I have little spare time. > The anti-spam thingy is NOT case sensitive, so that should help speed things up. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 02:58:22 2009 Received: (qmail 21622 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 01:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 01:58:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77A11C40546 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:58:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693D344004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F2919FBC1 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:58:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC63219FB87 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:58:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1490309anc.35 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:58:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.74.135 with SMTP id u7mr2067534vcj.4.1236045494851; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:58:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1545F901B4D846DAB0345AB6E94EEA4D@SueHome> References: <20090302193442.JFN3X.229667.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <1545F901B4D846DAB0345AB6E94EEA4D@SueHome> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:58:14 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d4188aefa17698c3 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) that Sigma 14mm rectilinear lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 02:58:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac8ebe303011234514069 > > Our weather is always accompanied by great wind. > Here I thought we were the only ones that ate bean soup whenever there was a snowstorm. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 03:07:16 2009 Received: (qmail 20066 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 02:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 02:07:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8BA1C40F50 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FF844004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF30E19FBDE for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6824619FBDA for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jjohnso4@windstream.net whitelisted) Received: from ispmxfep02-srv.windstream.net (ispmxfep02-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from XPS400.windstream.net ([98.18.99.139]) by ispmxfep02-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20090303020703.JAON27381.ispmxfep02-srv.windstream.net@XPS400.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:07:03 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:07:00 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: Johnny Johnson In-Reply-To: <4977408A.2040101@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4975FC5A.90903@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840901210220r3b4766d0rf8fd98eb6ffec7f@mail.gmail.com> <4977408A.2040101@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090303020703.JAON27381.ispmxfep02-srv.windstream.net@XPS400.windstream.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at ispmxfep02-srv.windstream.net from [98.18.99.139] using ID jjohnso4 at Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:07:03 -0600 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bbtC-nftAAAA:8 a=lWITSubAAAAA:8 a=3xob7Hx0142W2upPsgUA:9 a=gKvnLt3XXE2XR9nenz_4KjefH5cA:4 a=TlnOPt13aEMA:10 a=p2VOdof_XD0A:10 Subject: [OM] Olympus USA Layoffs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 03:07:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac90d4289351993019900 Olympus USA terminated some number of people this past Friday. One person on DPR described it as a "bloodbath". Olympus headquarters in Center Valley, PA seemed to play it down as only a minor reduction in work force, at least at the headquarters level. Some of the comments made by the locals to that article are interesting. In unrelated news - Franke & Heidecke, German makers of Rollie cameras and the bodies for the Sinar HY6 and Leaf AFi medium format digital cameras, filed insolvency papers today. It's not clear to me if Germany has anything like a chapter 11 filing or if this means that the business will be shut down completely. I wonder who will be next in the news and which companies will be left standing when it's all over. Later, Johnny __________________________ Johnny Johnson Cleveland, GA mailto:jjohnso4@windstream.net -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 03:11:28 2009 Received: (qmail 3995 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 02:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 02:11:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67AA1C40F3C for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719C344004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3F419FBE6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:11:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0378319FBE2 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:11:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jjohnso4@windstream.net whitelisted) Received: from ispmxfep01-srv.windstream.net (ispmxfep01-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from XPS400.windstream.net ([98.18.99.139]) by ispmxfep01-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20090303021121.YTOP2793.ispmxfep01-srv.windstream.net@XPS400.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:11:21 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:11:18 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: Johnny Johnson In-Reply-To: <20090303020703.JAON27381.ispmxfep02-srv.windstream.net@XPS 400.windstream.net> References: <4975FC5A.90903@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840901210220r3b4766d0rf8fd98eb6ffec7f@mail.gmail.com> <4977408A.2040101@chucknorcutt.com> <20090303020703.JAON27381.ispmxfep02-srv.windstream.net@XPS400.windstream.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090303021121.YTOP2793.ispmxfep01-srv.windstream.net@XPS400.windstream.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at ispmxfep01-srv.windstream.net from [98.18.99.139] using ID jjohnso4 at Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:11:21 -0600 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RYwcL7RJooCXrYID4ZsA:9 a=cBDcn6cD6tkM9GtoT7AQKVgkF5wA:4 a=TlnOPt13aEMA:10 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus USA Layoffs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 03:11:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac91d0163151073733319 At 09:07 PM 3/2/2009, Johnny Johnson wrote: >German makers of Rollie cameras Sorry, that should have been Rollei, not Rollie! ;-) Later, Johnny __________________________ Johnny Johnson Cleveland, GA mailto:jjohnso4@windstream.net -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 03:25:48 2009 Received: (qmail 19078 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 02:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 02:25:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E946B1C40F3C for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:25:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41D844004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:25:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6ACF19FC2F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:25:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5768919FC04 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:25:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (proud_texan63@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.129]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:25:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27245 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2009 02:25:41 -0000 Message-ID: <602211.26119.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: teriSZkVM1k9XoUYSxv_OQMk88spdB7aY7we5T3xu0WmEWOQgyC7_cEwgjQ0gP8h9JRJmf7iN_1.jxK41qaSkvPK4KvjCtV_TLGiV03Ln3IdM5BThCy.rW4Q3MCTa8oNhyDIs_aRLosrH5v5ipK77iPJ6ptyLGxM5WGXHB6_u9SYDDmFOjP3cwhZgBorknfKCd87hO_c2r62AjP.l4XeAcshXnZDtoBn Received: from [71.97.4.235] by web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:25:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:25:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 37: new entry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 03:25:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac952c119178512572685 I have an impossible time with those anti-spam things. I tried to leave a f= ew comments on a couple of shots and my wife or I could figure out what it = wanted. Olaf, if there is a trick to it please let me know off list. Tia=A0= Jerry Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 03:31:35 2009 Received: (qmail 12771 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 02:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 02:31:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704BB1C40F3C for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0524F44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:31:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C995B19FCAE for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:31:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03C219FC93 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:31:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-142.ctimail.com [61.93.57.142]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n232VREx022802 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:31:27 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n232VRwV028465 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:31:27 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com><63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main> <49AC20D3.7080809@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:31:22 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 03:31:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ac9687164301702588592 Donald, Charles, Mike and Siddiq, thanks for looking and the comment again. I'm rescaning my old slides and updating my website with larger images slow.......ly. The old scans were adjusted with non calibrated CRT, hope to do better with the newer setup (still an old one in today's standard) :-) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald" > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Thanks for the praise, Chuck and to all who like the shot. :-) >> >> Although they look more colorful under sunlight but I love them in the >> early >> morning. Since the first time I started shooting them at 2001 I have >> never >> got another more satisfactory result: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/pict/Lotus/Lotus.htm >> >> Enjoy! >> C.H.Ling > > I remember those. Gorgeous. They look internally lit, how'd 'e do that?! > > D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 06:38:24 2009 Received: (qmail 27273 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 05:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 05:38:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A47D1C40F68 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:38:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F9744004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697CA19FE9B for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:38:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DC419FE9A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:38:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:38:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21458 invoked by uid 502); 3 Mar 2009 05:38:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.176.101) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Mar 2009 05:38:10 -0000 Message-ID: <49ACC23A.8000807@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:38:02 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <567DB841-081B-4592-9B01-740094D14724@frozenlight.eu> <49AB9726.1050300@adinet.com.uy> <49ABE0A0.6070505@adinet.com.uy> <855BCCE78E1E4C1995D8B791BE33CAB4@main> In-Reply-To: <855BCCE78E1E4C1995D8B791BE33CAB4@main> Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_tormenta_de_verano_en_la_bah=EDa_de?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Maldonado_=5B_summer_storm_on_Madonado_bay_=5D?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 06:38:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49acc250244382046811720 Fernando, I like the image. C.H.Ling wrote: > Usually I will not check histogram unless I found something strange. For your image the shadow is ok as you may intended to kill unnecessary details. But the highlight (sky) could use a more smooth transaction, I believe there should be more details on the slide but I could be wrong. > C.H., I agree. There's actually quite a bit of recoverable highlight and shadow detail even in the JPEG. Fernando, I don't quite believe the magentas and purples. Maybe you have different colors in the antipodes than I've seen up here? Here's what I consider a modest improvement in color highlight and shadow tonalities. It's fine with the foreground all black, but I think I sort of prefer it with a little detail that picks up the sky colors. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 07:07:36 2009 Received: (qmail 9084 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 06:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 06:07:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F721C40F41 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CFC44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BDE19FED6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:07:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43E119FED5 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:07:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 18 days 09:31:47 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-53-250.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.53.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2367KNB013082 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 04:07:24 -0200 Message-ID: <49ACD724.3040907@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:07:16 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <567DB841-081B-4592-9B01-740094D14724@frozenlight.eu> <49AB9726.1050300@adinet.com.uy> <49ABE0A0.6070505@adinet.com.uy> <855BCCE78E1E4C1995D8B791BE33CAB4@main> <49ACC23A.8000807@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49ACC23A.8000807@gmail.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_tormenta_de_verano_en_la_bah=EDa_de?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Maldonado_=5B_summer_storm_on_Madonado_bay_=5D?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 07:07:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49acc928228997927319144 well, Moose - until now, 03:47 a.m., I've been struggling for a better version. No way, v.2 is horrible, and is travelling to the Trash right now. hats off - how did you manage that sky? - not only details in the clouds, but a more real blue. Think I didn't nail with the amount of yellow, blue resulted even more 'electric', but yours is quite like the Provia ... even in my monitor ! :-) I'm taking notes on the magentas and purples (those in the R-C-B triangle, the 'non spectral colors' as said my old Sears-Zemansky physics book). Someday I will be able to do what you did by myself. I will, when I subscribed here I was very reluctant to learn PS, I preferred blow-ups in Radiance paper. But here I am, after what Mike told me once: "not PS !? what a blasphemy !." _ ;^) Thanks a lot Moose and CH :-) Fernando. Moose wrote: > Fernando, I like the image. > > C.H.Ling wrote: > >> Usually I will not check histogram unless I found something strange. For your image the shadow is ok as you may intended to kill unnecessary details. But the highlight (sky) could use a more smooth transaction, I believe there should be more details on the slide but I could be wrong. >> >> > > C.H., I agree. There's actually quite a bit of recoverable highlight and > shadow detail even in the JPEG. > > Fernando, I don't quite believe the magentas and purples. Maybe you have > different colors in the antipodes than I've seen up here? > > Here's what I consider a modest improvement in color highlight and > shadow tonalities. > > > It's fine with the foreground all black, but I think I sort of prefer it > with a little detail that picks up the sky colors. > > Moose > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 08:41:03 2009 Received: (qmail 28235 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 07:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 07:41:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2601C40F57 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BADC44004F for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723F934AC04E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:40:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F3E34AC01E for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:40:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-176.ctimail.com [61.93.57.176]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:40:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n237eqQR009388 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:40:52 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n237eqYv022987 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:40:52 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <03D895319A554BD79B8920220DEABEDA@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <567DB841-081B-4592-9B01-740094D14724@frozenlight.eu> <49AB9726.1050300@adinet.com.uy> <49ABE0A0.6070505@adinet.com.uy> <855BCCE78E1E4C1995D8B791BE33CAB4@main><49ACC23A.8000807@gmail.com> <49ACD724.3040907@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:40:21 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_tormenta_de_verano_en_la_bah=EDa_de?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Maldonado_=5B_summer_storm_on_Madonado_bay_=5D?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 08:41:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49acdf0e171871869477228 You are welcome, Fernando. I have no idea how you come to this problem, I'm also using LS4000 and I got results very close to the actual slides view under the white area of my monitor (to sync the color temp.), may be just a little curve down the blue and a little "s" curve to increase the contrast to compensate for the famous flare of N*kon scanner, that's all I need for Fuji slides. Part of your problem may be due to the use of different color management, I NEVER use adobe RGB, sRGB is the only profile I'm interested. My color setting in N*kon scan is: "Use N*kon Color management System" with "Use factory default monitor profile". Anyway, a big adjustment after scanning is not normal, I won't accept this even for my Epson flatbed (negative is a different story of course). C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > well, Moose - until now, 03:47 a.m., I've been struggling for a better > version. > No way, v.2 is horrible, and is travelling to the Trash right now. > > hats off - how did you manage that sky? - not only details in the > clouds, but a more real blue. Think I didn't nail with the amount of > yellow, blue resulted even more 'electric', but yours is quite like the > Provia ... even in my monitor ! :-) > > I'm taking notes on the magentas and purples (those in the R-C-B > triangle, the 'non spectral colors' as said my old Sears-Zemansky > physics book). > > Someday I will be able to do what you did by myself. I will, when I > subscribed here I was very reluctant to learn PS, I preferred blow-ups > in Radiance paper. But here I am, after what Mike told me once: "not PS > !? what a blasphemy !." _ ;^) > > Thanks a lot Moose and CH :-) > > Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 09:12:40 2009 Received: (qmail 22544 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 08:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 08:12:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379024303B6 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:12:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A0A44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8307F19FFB7 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:12:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43FC19FFB3 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:12:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ogreve@millennics.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp3.dyxs.nl (199-61.bbned.dsl.internl.net [92.254.61.199]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.10.9] (rt25bb146-89-44.routit.net [89.146.25.44]) by smtp3.dyxs.nl with ESMTP (Mailtraq/2.11.0.2198) id SMTP9A5163CE for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:12:19 +0100 Message-Id: <9D75556D-B4E6-4ACF-B00C-BCB8F6FECEDB@millennics.com> From: Olaf Greve To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <602211.26119.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:12:16 +0100 References: <602211.26119.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 37: new entry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 09:12:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ace678233971035110158 Hi guys, >I have an impossible time with those anti-spam things. I tried to leave a few comments on a couple of shots and my wife or I >could figure out what it wanted. Olaf, if there is a trick to it please let me know off list. Tia Jerry I must say I'm somewhat amazed by the CAPTCHA challenge being mentioned as a possible factor for not leaving comments, as it's nowadays virtually impossible to leave any comment anywhere without having either a login or CAPTCHA challenge. And, unfotunately, this is for a good reason, which I call "forum spam". TOPE was also victim of this about a year ago, and it was SO bad that it would virtually render my server anything but unreachable. I logged the traffic back then, and within one week there were tens of thousands of attempts to inform the world through TOPE of the benefits of viagra and things 'somewhat more explicit', which I shall not repeat over here... :P The logging results were interesting, the top 10 IP addresses caused more than 30,000 attempts alone (within a 1 week time span) and the other tens of thousands of attempts came from a few thousand distinct other IP addesses, ergo, this spam is bot driven, probably by a spam virus, trojan or simply manually operated (by legions of Chinese or East European spammers) backdoors on Windows machines all over the world. Even as we speak, the machine is still being hammered by (futile) calls to the name of the script that used to store the comments. They're directly dropped by my webserver, but it's obvious that the CAPTCHA challenge is an absolute must, and surely enough all forum owners will have noticed this too...;) Sooo, unfortunately the CAPTCHA challenge really cannot go. Some tips as to the usage: basically one types the comments as one would do previously, and after clicking the "Leave comments" button, one will be presented with the challenge (which I calculated using an algorithm of my own (an interesting combination of MD5 and SHA1 calls), seeded by the user input, hence being a two step process). I have tried to make this as simple as possible, by only requiring a 5 digit case insensitive code, in which no letters/digits occur that can easily be misread like a '0' vs. 'O'... It then suffices to type the 5 digits in the "validation value" field, and clicking on the "Store comments" button. I hope this clarifies matters enough? :P Cheers! Olafo -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 09:47:03 2009 Received: (qmail 11086 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 08:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 08:47:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31E3430235 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB1F44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDEE19DC7E for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:46:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9042019DC79 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:46:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13816 invoked by uid 502); 3 Mar 2009 08:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.165.190) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Mar 2009 08:46:56 -0000 Message-ID: <49ACEE7B.2040201@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:46:51 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20090302191510.CYZ9H.229346.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <49AC32B9.5020908@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49AC32B9.5020908@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [OM] (OTC) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 09:47:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49acee87100241838542571 Donald wrote: > > .... Once it's out, blood must be drawn... > More of the macho crap we could well do without in our crowded contemporary world with weapons far more fearsome than a knife. We seem to be unable to drop a lot of old baggage that's not productive any more, whether it was in the past or not. I do not exclude myself from that opinion. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 09:53:00 2009 Received: (qmail 20852 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 08:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 08:52:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006FD430243 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:52:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C9244004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547B834AC01E for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:52:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3497A34AC04E for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:52:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:52:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 03 Mar 2009 19:52:49 +1100 Message-ID: <300.90110e00dfefac49.004@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:52:47 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9D75556D-B4E6-4ACF-B00C-BCB8F6FECEDB@millennics.com> References: <602211.26119.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <602211.26119.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9D75556D-B4E6-4ACF-B00C-BCB8F6FECEDB@millennics.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.03 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.03.08.1277) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE Captcha's X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 09:53:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49acefec23111993019900 Hi Olaf, I actually find yours the easiest to use, and not once have I had to reenter, which I have to do often with other sites captcha. For those who cant get it to work, ensure you have javascript enabled for the domain. (ie, people like me that use NoScript). Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ WINERR 014 - USER ERROR; READING LICENSE AGREEMENT MANDATORY TO CONTINUE -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 10:50:30 2009 Received: (qmail 21748 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 09:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 09:50:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933B9430200 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:50:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F31644004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AF234AC029 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:50:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B4834AC01E for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:50:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n239oHU8025511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:50:19 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <602211.26119.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <602211.26119.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9D75556D-B4E6-4ACF-B00C-BCB8F6FECEDB@millennics.com> <300.90110e00dfefac49.004@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: <300.90110e00dfefac49.004@comkal.net> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:50:07 +1100 Message-ID: <000c01c99be5$705f2730$511d7590$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acmb3XUDgowRMTV9QXyaQDStaeMr9wAB8uSQ Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE Captcha's X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 10:50:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49acfd66203057350615338 Generally I find it's not a problem but one of the challenges I received I just couldn't get right ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Ian Manners [] Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 7:53 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE Captcha's Hi Olaf, I actually find yours the easiest to use, and not once have I had to reenter, which I have to do often with other sites captcha. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 11:24:09 2009 Received: (qmail 28673 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 10:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 10:24:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3349143026B for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A0644004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DA819DF76 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:24:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA7719DF39 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:24:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LeRn7-0006uj-HN for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:24:01 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LeRn7-0000WO-3x for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:24:01 +0000 Message-ID: <49AD054A.6040302@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:24:10 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20090302191510.CYZ9H.229346.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <49AC32B9.5020908@blueyonder.co.uk> <49ACEE7B.2040201@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49ACEE7B.2040201@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OTC) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 11:24:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad05494411342116753 Moose wrote: > Donald wrote: >> .... Once it's out, blood must be drawn... >> > > More of the macho crap we could well do without in our crowded > contemporary world with weapons far more fearsome than a knife. > > We seem to be unable to drop a lot of old baggage that's not productive > any more, whether it was in the past or not. I do not exclude myself > from that opinion. > > Moose Mhmm. Might be more to do with a legacy of their religion, slow to anger, only threaten force when its use is otherwise unavoidable. They really are charming people, whose word is their bond; hence their usefulness to the Empire. And it's usually a thumb, their own, that they 'nick'. It's just a ritual, a habit; we all have them. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 12:31:08 2009 Received: (qmail 18441 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 11:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 11:31:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40684303BC for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 03:31:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47CAD44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 03:31:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A5434AC029 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 03:31:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A92A34AC01E for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 03:31:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 03:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so70533fgb.36 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 03:31:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.65.9 with SMTP id n9mr7702824fga.61.1236079860090; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 03:31:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <775231.49576.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <775231.49576.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:31:00 +0000 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Housing policy X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 12:31:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad14fc222011342116753 Thanks Boris. I still sometimes miss the b&w, but it was a question of practicality at the time, and with the current tools, this is the outcome. I like it too :-) Tom 2009/3/1 Willie Wonka > So you finally decided to display your color pixies, Tom. > > I always enjoyed your b&w work, this is just as good...imho > > Boris > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 14:38:24 2009 Received: (qmail 32055 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 13:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 13:38:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9828430448 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 05:38:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC9644004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 05:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D82E3618010 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 05:38:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789263618001 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 05:38:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 05:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.92]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KFX00E16N7MCPKF@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:38:11 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <49AD32C9.2060207@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:38:17 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main> <49AC20D3.7080809@blueyonder.co.uk> In-reply-to: <49AC20D3.7080809@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 14:38:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad32d071971234514069 Gorgeous! Love lotus-16 ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Donald wrote: > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Thanks for the praise, Chuck and to all who like the shot. :-) >> >> Although they look more colorful under sunlight but I love them in the early >> morning. Since the first time I started shooting them at 2001 I have never >> got another more satisfactory result: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/pict/Lotus/Lotus.htm >> >> Enjoy! >> C.H.Ling > > I remember those. Gorgeous. They look internally lit, how'd 'e do that?! > > D. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 15:30:49 2009 Received: (qmail 9777 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 14:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 14:30:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8CA430440 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B8544004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E1519E759 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:30:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E16619E740 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:30:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 18 days 17:54:59 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-4-81.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.4.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n23EUToR009016 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:30:31 -0200 Message-ID: <49AD4D13.5050101@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:30:27 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main> <14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 15:30:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad3f19189149347015869 I remember when I first saw one of your Lotus ... wasn't it at some TOPE event ? Remember it was done with a 300/4,5 and extension ring. Remember some 10 people commenting ( raving, in fact ) on this one. Remember it was the first time I felt needed a 300/4,5 ... Remember it was the first time I saw a true photograph of a Lotus flower, never saw a real one 'till now. too many remembrances :-) now, which one was that TOPE event ? ;^) Fernando. Charles Geilfuss wrote: > I remember when you first posted thsoe Ling. Stunning. > > Charlie > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:43 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > > >> Thanks for the praise, Chuck and to all who like the shot. :-) >> >> Although they look more colorful under sunlight but I love them in the >> early >> morning. Since the first time I started shooting them at 2001 I have never >> got another more satisfactory result: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/pict/Lotus/Lotus.htm >> >> Enjoy! >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> >> >>> I think he has a habit of producing stunning water lilly pictures... as >>> well as stunning photos of other things... not all inanimate. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> Don Holbrook wrote: >>> >>>> I rarely comment, but #1181 is absolutely stunning. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 15:48:15 2009 Received: (qmail 11775 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 14:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 14:48:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05BF430448 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F44444004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:48:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EAE3618010 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:48:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368CC3610016 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:48:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 18 days 18:12:23 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:48:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-4-81.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.4.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n23Elt6A009978 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:47:56 -0200 Message-ID: <49AD5129.5080705@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:47:53 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <602211.26119.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <602211.26119.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9D75556D-B4E6-4ACF-B00C-BCB8F6FECEDB@millennics.com> <300.90110e00dfefac49.004@comkal.net> <000c01c99be5$705f2730$511d7590$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <000c01c99be5$705f2730$511d7590$@com.au> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE Captcha's [ afterthought ] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 15:48:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad432f138321838542571 LOL :-) What I do think TOPE site deserves is an Index of Authors - so as if I want to browse all of CH contributions, I could type "Ling" and a Gallery is displayed .... in ColorIris perhaps ? _ :^) Noticed that formerly I was able to google individual entries with ease, not impossible now but not as easy as before. About its Captcha, my challenge is distinguishing between similar characters, sometimes too similar: a 'b' or a '6' ? That's all I have to say on this necessary 'issue'. Fortunately, no need to reenter if fail. Fernando. Wayne Harridge wrote: > Generally I find it's not a problem but one of the challenges I received I > just couldn't get right ! > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Manners [] > Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 7:53 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE Captcha's > > Hi Olaf, > > I actually find yours the easiest to use, and not once have I > had to reenter, which I have to do often with other sites captcha. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 15:52:21 2009 Received: (qmail 12003 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 14:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 14:52:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622F643044F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7109044004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB9419E89C for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:52:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BF319E890 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:52:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 18 days 18:16:31 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-4-81.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.4.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n23Eq6Li010191 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:52:07 -0200 Message-ID: <49AD5224.2070008@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:52:04 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <602211.26119.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9D75556D-B4E6-4ACF-B00C-BCB8F6FECEDB@millennics.com> In-Reply-To: <9D75556D-B4E6-4ACF-B00C-BCB8F6FECEDB@millennics.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 37: new entry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 15:52:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad4424284802336821329 here is where I get caught !! :-) Cheers, Fernando. Olaf Greve wrote: > in which no letters/digits occur that can easily be > misread like a '0' vs. 'O'... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 16:10:52 2009 Received: (qmail 1045 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 15:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 15:10:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DEF430464 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:10:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C0644004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:10:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16F219E7B8 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:10:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014C919E9BB for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:10:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 18 days 18:35:00 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-4-81.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.4.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n23FAXo2011241 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:10:34 -0200 Message-ID: <49AD5677.5020607@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:10:31 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20090302191510.CYZ9H.229346.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <3383326A-5317-4E91-B58A-1CACCBF12A4A@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <3383326A-5317-4E91-B58A-1CACCBF12A4A@threeshoes.net> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] (OTC) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 16:10:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad487c240731529615919 I recall that time, viewed from my country during those years of political madness inside our neighbour country (not ceased already, but changed its main route, involving 'routes' strictly speaking). And mine was nearly as mad - but we're far less people among other differences. I was studying Medicine, in my last years, and we had the order to prepare every Hospital in case we had to assist the wounded hundreds which had sailed from the North ... Now you can play football fair fights I guess :-) Fernando. (rarely paying attention to anything which is football related). Chris Barker wrote: > I recall those rumours as well. It wasn't really a fair fight ... > > Chris > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 17:01:27 2009 Received: (qmail 10993 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 16:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 16:01:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E0C43048D for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FCE44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:01:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC8D3610015 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:01:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E45361001B for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 17:01:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad5457231625368819438 > > Remember it was the first time I felt needed a 300/4,5 ... > EVERYBODY needs a 300/4.5. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 17:07:14 2009 Received: (qmail 5106 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 16:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 16:07:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E9A43046B for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47E544004F for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 17:07:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad55b28431823421471 On Mar 2, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > You wait until the Gulf Stream shuts down mate - then you're in > strife! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au Y'know, the politics of climate notwithstanding, I find it interesting that few if any reports in the popular press mention the fact that to date there is absolutely no scientific evidence to suggest the Pleistocene glaciations finished at four. Seems I recall from my college geology courses that one or two of the previous interglacial periods saw global warming to a greater degree than today--assuming, of course, the methods of measuring were and are anywhere near accurate. If that's the case, we may be in for a rather significant shock in the years to come. Not that I wish to make our Canadian cousins to the north anxious, or even those of us who inhabit Occupied Canada (Maine), and who see evidence of the last glacial period every time we go outside. The geopolitical ramifications of a fifth glaciation would be, well, mind-boggling, to say the least. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 17:39:55 2009 Received: (qmail 18020 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 16:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 16:39:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0493430468 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8C744004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5E519EE19 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:39:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0783219EE16 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:39:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n23GdfaR000491 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 00:39:41 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <74FCB3E12F354812960ED2B59E7E269E@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main><49AC20D3.7080809@blueyonder.co.uk> <49AD32C9.2060207@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 00:39:33 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 17:39:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad5d5b161571234514069 Thanks, John. I also like this one, it is the only one with water drops on the petal. Flower usually look better with some water drops :-) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" > Gorgeous! Love lotus-16 > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Donald wrote: >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> Thanks for the praise, Chuck and to all who like the shot. :-) >>> >>> Although they look more colorful under sunlight but I love them in the >>> early >>> morning. Since the first time I started shooting them at 2001 I have >>> never >>> got another more satisfactory result: >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/pict/Lotus/Lotus.htm >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> C.H.Ling >> >> I remember those. Gorgeous. They look internally lit, how'd 'e do that?! >> >> D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 17:40:38 2009 Received: (qmail 17224 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 16:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 16:40:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B8643048E for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073A244004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD1019EE24 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:40:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF86219EE4E for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:40:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1617900anc.35 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:40:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.87.18 with SMTP id u18mr2267399vcl.102.1236098410723; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:40:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:40:10 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 89590b9e36356a16 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 17:40:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad5d85203751946193717 > > The geopolitical ramifications of a fifth glaciation would > be, well, mind-boggling, to say the least. > Yes, imagine ever city north of the Mason Dixon Line wiped off the face of the earth. In reality, the elasticity of global climate could cause that. The old theories of "glacial" change, where it takes tens of thousands of years for climate change to occur are now highly suspect as we are aware of "triggers" that can have cataclismic affects. For instance, the redirection of the Gulf Stream could occur in just one year, which would turn northern Europe into an ice box, but the Sahara into a jungle. A reversal of one of the oscillations in the Pacific could turn North America into another Ice Age. These "triggers" could be instigated by global warming, which immediately plunges the earth into drastic climate change resulting in mile-high layers of ice bulldozing their way across our continents. But then again, Mother Earth could just be having a hot flash and we're just panicking for nothing. Today in Iowa it's warmer than yesterday and tomorrow will be warmer than today. Given that we're experiencing a 10 degree per day warmup over the next three days, if I extrapolate this forward (like we do with the "global warming crisis") it will be 220 degrees fahrenheit by the end of the month. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 17:49:48 2009 Received: (qmail 1029 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 16:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 16:49:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0ED6430461 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A089F44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:49:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DD9361000F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:49:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD3F3610015 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:49:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:49:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n23GnaYm002003 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 00:49:37 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <9DB2F86E9A654DAEB09AC95CA4DB1659@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main><14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> <49AD4D13.5050101@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 00:49:31 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 17:49:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad5fac153811023412894 Your guys have very good memories :-) Yes, it was in TOPE 6. BTW, it seems you do not have a 300/4.5 yet as I remember you use a lot of 200+2X-A combination :-) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM >I remember when I first saw one of your Lotus ... wasn't it at some TOPE > event ? > > Remember it was done with a 300/4,5 and extension ring. > Remember some 10 people commenting ( raving, in fact ) on this one. > Remember it was the first time I felt needed a 300/4,5 ... > Remember it was the first time I saw a true photograph of a Lotus > flower, never saw a real one 'till now. > > too many remembrances :-) > > now, which one was that TOPE event ? > > ;^) > > Fernando. > > Charles Geilfuss wrote: >> I remember when you first posted thsoe Ling. Stunning. >> >> Charlie >> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:43 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks for the praise, Chuck and to all who like the shot. :-) >>> >>> Although they look more colorful under sunlight but I love them in the >>> early >>> morning. Since the first time I started shooting them at 2001 I have >>> never >>> got another more satisfactory result: >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/pict/Lotus/Lotus.htm >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> >>> >>>> I think he has a habit of producing stunning water lilly pictures... as >>>> well as stunning photos of other things... not all inanimate. >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> Don Holbrook wrote: >>>> >>>>> I rarely comment, but #1181 is absolutely stunning. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 18:00:39 2009 Received: (qmail 18858 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 17:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 17:00:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B381430486 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:00:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FAB44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02BB3610010 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:00:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C6E3610016 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:00:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7971 invoked by uid 504); 3 Mar 2009 17:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.111?) (chucknorcutt@72.185.125.232) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Mar 2009 17:00:22 -0000 Message-ID: <49AD6226.4060504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:00:22 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com><499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com><499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> <49AC8341.7080301@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <49AC8341.7080301@adinet.com.uy> Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 37: new entry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 18:00:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad6237267229347015869 My internet access time is limited right now. I'm not even viewing let alone commenting. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > And few comments so far. > > Cannot understand the exact reason for this: I always learned quite a > bit from comments at TOPE. > > I can think of a good-enough reason, which has prevented me from writing > down my thoughts when they came fresh: the anti spam measure which must > be sorted out in order to leave a comment. It takes some time, and at > least myself I have little spare time. > > Perhaps we should see the positive side of not leaving written words: > each photograph could be considered as an in the sense > Umberto Eco defines it: free to the understanding of the observer: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umberto_Eco#Books_on_philosophy > > Anyway, I miss the times when people wrote three or four comments - they > were invaluable to me in 2002-2003. > > Hope not anyone here prefers not to make a comment just because it might > be felt as rude by the author. I think we list are hard skinned and well > humored to make profit of such a situation. > As a matter of fact, it should be much more profitable for the > photographer to read a 'rude' comment. > > Short comment: I considered CHLing on my recent [IMG] as highly > valuable, he even told when does he consider that an histogram should be > studied; he even politely and accurately hypothesized why might I have > gone out and got into clipping -besides that I was falling asleep :-)- > now I see that half-dreamed electric blue sky and feel I will start > again from scratch, because I myself deserve the effort. > > Fernando. > > Olaf Greve wrote: >> Hi, >> >> And another fine entry has just been sent to the TOPE gallery, and is >> up for views at the gallery! >> Go check it out!!! :) >> >> BTW: this Wednesday the anonymity will be lifted, but as always, >> further entries are still welcome for a few weeks more, so if you >> haven't sent in an entry so far, you can still do so. >> >> Cheers, >> Olafo >> >> Main page: >> http://www.tope.nl >> >> Direct link to TOPE 37: >> http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=37 >> >> Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: >> http://www.tope.nl/events.php >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 18:10:57 2009 Received: (qmail 26925 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 17:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 17:10:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7CF430462 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:10:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FAB44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:10:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E49819EFD1 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:10:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FD319EFFE for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:10:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:10:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15529 invoked by uid 504); 3 Mar 2009 17:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.111?) (chucknorcutt@72.185.125.232) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Mar 2009 17:10:48 -0000 Message-ID: <49AD6498.30206@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:10:48 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 18:10:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad64a1312642336821329 The occupancy of the RV park here where I'm staying is probably already 1/3 or more Canadian. No doubt there'll be many more of them here during the next glaciation. But they can't maintain their health care insurance if they're out of the country for more that 5-1/2 months. So the next glaciation period will have a lot of Canadian political ramifications. :-) Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > > > If that's the case, we may be in for a rather significant shock in the > years to come. Not that I wish to make our Canadian cousins to the > north anxious, or even those of us who inhabit Occupied Canada > (Maine), and who see evidence of the last glacial period every time we > go outside. The geopolitical ramifications of a fifth glaciation would > be, well, mind-boggling, to say the least. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 18:29:27 2009 Received: (qmail 24679 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 17:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 17:29:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D5D43045F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:29:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9235044004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE513610019 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:29:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE286361001B for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:29:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts13.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.34]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:29:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from toip3.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.86]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090303172918.QJMT1559.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip3.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:29:18 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AloBANDxrElGGIgH/2dsb2JhbAAI2CiEBgY Received: from bas4-toronto46-1176012807.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([70.24.136.7]) by toip3.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 03 Mar 2009 12:23:39 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:29:16 -0500 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South Thread-Index: AcmcJZON0j3MRggYEd63HAAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <49AD6498.30206@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 18:29:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad68f7118511823421471 It could revive the decades-dormant campaign to adopt the Turks & Caicos Islands as our eleventh province. We'll forego reclaiming Occupied Canada :-) . Michael On 3/3/09 12:10 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The occupancy of the RV park here where I'm staying is probably already > 1/3 or more Canadian. No doubt there'll be many more of them here > during the next glaciation. But they can't maintain their health care > insurance if they're out of the country for more that 5-1/2 months. So > the next glaciation period will have a lot of Canadian political > ramifications. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 18:31:03 2009 Received: (qmail 23071 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 17:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 17:31:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFF24304A5 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170BB44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:30:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BA219F06D for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:30:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8199D19F0B2 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:30:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.149]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so2089904qwj.26 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:30:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.24.15 with SMTP id t15mr10042936qab.67.1236101449892; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:30:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:30:49 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0903030930jdd3c5fen8889ab0bed0df11b@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 18:31:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad695730491529615919 The South *will* rise agin ya'll. ;^) Charlie in Charleston On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > > > The geopolitical ramifications of a fifth glaciation would > > be, well, mind-boggling, to say the least. > > > > > Yes, imagine ever city north of the Mason Dixon Line wiped off the face of > the earth. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 19:12:38 2009 Received: (qmail 30117 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 18:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:35:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4DB23E67-C709-46BC-9E3D-3B39F67492B1@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:12:21 +0000 References: <0D6D5FEA-7E23-4D17-9A62-451D2CCF30AF@frozenlight.eu> <4DB23E67-C709-46BC-9E3D-3B39F67492B1@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?Nathan=27s_PAD_2/3/2009=3A_two_Brussels_se=F1?= =?iso-8859-1?q?oritas?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 19:12:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad7316189923675314703 It must the be the way we say, "Yes, that looks great ..." Chris On 2 Mar 2009, at 20:03, Andrew Fildes wrote: > But, somehow, it's still all my fault. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 19:16:06 2009 Received: (qmail 22983 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 18:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 18:16:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CF24304A2 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:16:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2326844004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:15:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1358419F36D for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:15:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B821A19EDD5 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:15:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7634C96D0 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:38:37 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49AD5677.5020607@adinet.com.uy> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:15:57 +0000 References: <20090302191510.CYZ9H.229346.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <3383326A-5317-4E91-B58A-1CACCBF12A4A@threeshoes.net> <49AD5677.5020607@adinet.com.uy> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OTC) Traffic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 19:16:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad73e6254041234514069 It was indeed a time of madness. And the suspicion remains in my mind that Mrs Thatcher might have caused the war by her Government's treatment of the Falklands. Football? It's bo**ox! :-) Chris On 3 Mar 2009, at 16:10, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > I recall that time, viewed from my country during those years of > political madness inside our neighbour country (not ceased already, > but > changed its main route, involving 'routes' strictly speaking). > And mine was nearly as mad - but we're far less people among other > differences. > I was studying Medicine, in my last years, and we had the order to > prepare every Hospital in case we had to assist the wounded hundreds > which had sailed from the North ... > > Now you can play football fair fights I guess :-) > > Fernando. > > (rarely paying attention to anything which is football related). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 19:42:19 2009 Received: (qmail 26514 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 18:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 18:42:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED7C430483 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D871E44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:42:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7483610015 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:42:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CD5361000F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:42:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:42:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090303184208.QRJG7442.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:42:08 +0000 Message-Id: <2389663E-BFB7-4419-852A-5F16A06CD711@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:42:08 -0500 References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 19:42:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad7a0b70281585427447 Hummmm. I'm trying to see the downside here. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 3, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Yes, imagine ever city north of the Mason Dixon Line wiped off the > face of the earth. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 19:46:59 2009 Received: (qmail 11894 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 18:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 18:46:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83D3430496 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A309644004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:46:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8119219F55E for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:46:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3395A19F54B for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:46:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090303184651.JJWJ15930.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:46:51 +0000 Message-Id: <3E9D899D-7BDA-490C-84EF-3039EA8AE9BA@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:46:51 -0500 References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 19:46:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad7b23290894673671140 On Mar 3, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > The old theories of "glacial" change, where it takes tens of > thousands of > years for climate change to occur are now highly suspect as we are > aware of > "triggers" that can have cataclismic affects. Indeed. And we haven't even begun the discussion of plate tectonics. Science it quite sure that eventually, Los Angeles is going to be a suburb of San Francisco. The question is how quickly and dramatically the transition will take place. And of course the Great Rift Valley in Africa is slowly spreading to that one of these years, the Red Sea actually will be a sea, maybe even the Red Ocean. And the Hawaiian Islands are trending to the Northwest as I recall, meaning that the existing islands will gradually cool and lose their appeal as vacation hot spots long before new hot spots form in their wake. I mean, what are we going to do about Continental Drift? I don't think any existing treaties cover it. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 20:00:58 2009 Received: (qmail 30603 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 19:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 19:00:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65643430495 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB1E44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:00:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C960919F5EA for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:00:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9DB19F5E2 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:00:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LeZrE-0006GF-7c for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:00:48 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LeZrD-0005n6-R2 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:00:47 +0000 Message-ID: <49AD7E6B.2040600@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:00:59 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 20:00:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad7e6a49641591313764 Ken Norton wrote: >> > > But then again, Mother Earth could just be having a hot flash and we're just > panicking for nothing. > > They can say what they like, it's flippin' perishin' 'ere! D (where's my Big Slipper...) -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 20:22:54 2009 Received: (qmail 30537 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 19:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 19:22:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B963F4304E7 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4BC44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D02419F7D8 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:22:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A38619F7B6 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:22:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:22:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LeaCR-0007U5-V9 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:22:44 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LeaCR-00029T-Fo for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:22:43 +0000 Message-ID: <49AD838F.5020300@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:22:55 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Dave's E-1 calibration X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 20:22:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad838e112501470116606 This refers to the Camera Calibration for Lightroom posted by Dave Irisarri a little while back. I'll post my impressions to the list, in case anyone is interested. I had hoped to get an example up, but haven't managed it. I like it, first of all. It punches up the greens in quite a few of my shots where that is a marginal colour, overwhelmed by the browns and greys of much mountain and moor scenery. The yellows too, of which there are always a surprising amount (at least to me) in grass and foliage, and often in other unexpected places like stone- and brick-work. Just occasionally, though, it's too much; then dialling it back a bit to taste can bring it back to acceptable limits. It's a personal thing. The E-1's sensor certainly provides a nice mix and this is a lot closer to it than the default Adobe settings; I now have Adobe Standard, CR 2.4 and CR 4.4, in addition to Dave's. Adobe Standard (for the E-1) isn't half bad, but the mix doesn't quite get there. Some parts of the spectrum just don't look right to my untrained and amateur eye. The differences are subtle between 4.4, Standard and Dave's; I watched the histograms at first, but actually saw more watching the image. Maybe I just understood it better in the image (histograms is good, but me still learning...) What I might do is put them in my Presets, so I can guage effects before applying and decide from the view in the Navigator what works or not for the image in question. Which reminds me, I really have to sort out my Presets into folders, because there are gazillions of them... Thanks Dave! -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 21:57:16 2009 Received: (qmail 17818 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 20:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 20:57:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5279C430506 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:57:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C45944004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6F019FB17 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:57:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B6B19FA7B for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:57:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 19 days 00:21:23 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-4-81.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.4.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n23KujDv031153; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:56:46 -0200 Message-ID: <49ADA79B.1000509@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:56:43 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main><14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> <49AD4D13.5050101@adinet.com.uy> <9DB2F86E9A654DAEB09AC95CA4DB1659@main> In-Reply-To: <9DB2F86E9A654DAEB09AC95CA4DB1659@main> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Cc: Moose , "C.H.Ling" Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 21:57:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ad99ac131061470116606 Not yet ... I found one in Paris which could have been brought home by a friend of mine who comes here every February. When I knew where was it located, my friend had already flew to Montevideo ... he may be back anytime, he travels a lot, but the proper 'accueils' must be made beforehand. C.H., I scanned the 'Storm' Provia again last night -only ICE, black point and white point, at 14bit & 16x. My PS post-process is definitively an over-process. Shall resize and convert and change to sRGB, then upload. Wonder if both Moose and you can say something about it, and do anything you might want to, provided anyone of you have the time and willingness ... and tell me what you did and why - small secrets can be kept secret :-) Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > Your guys have very good memories :-) Yes, it was in TOPE 6. > > BTW, it seems you do not have a 300/4.5 yet as I remember you use a lot of > 200+2X-A combination :-) > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 22:24:53 2009 Received: (qmail 25675 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 21:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 21:24:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D587C1C40F4F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A9944004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE833618019 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:24:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905CC361000F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:24:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:24:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18315 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 21:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.152.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 21:24:31 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49AC559D.7080402@gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <49AC559D.7080402@gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:24:33 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 22:24:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ada02578345368819438 The idea is that the sudden dump of fresh melt water from the Artic and Greenland one of these summers will achieve a tipping point where the salinity of the North Atlantic is so diluted that the normal action of the Gulf Stream is affected. The 'Conveyor' shuts down locally because cooling water from the Gulf Stream can't sink and return. Last time this happened was when the North American glacial lake broke out through the St Lawrence, leaving behind the mere puddle called the Great Lakes. The result would be a warm Canada and frozen W. Europe. There will, of course, be immediate screams that this is all BS but we're getting to understand the timescale, mechanism and effect of ice melting rather well, following recent Ice Shelf losses. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/03/2009, at 8:54 AM, Richard Lovison wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> You wait until the Gulf Stream shuts down mate - then you're in >> strife! >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au > > Yes, this is something that isn't being talked about... the possible > shutdown has to do with the amount of fresh water being dumped into > the > ocean with arctic melting, doesn't it? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 22:52:29 2009 Received: (qmail 21706 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 21:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 21:52:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38264304E6 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EE544004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA12819FCCF for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:52:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3443619E149 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:52:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9691 invoked by uid 502); 3 Mar 2009 21:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.184.240) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Mar 2009 21:52:18 -0000 Message-ID: <49ADA68B.9000600@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:52:11 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <567DB841-081B-4592-9B01-740094D14724@frozenlight.eu> <49AB9726.1050300@adinet.com.uy> <49ABE0A0.6070505@adinet.com.uy> <855BCCE78E1E4C1995D8B791BE33CAB4@main> <49ACC23A.8000807@gmail.com> <49ACD724.3040907@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <49ACD724.3040907@adinet.com.uy> Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_tormenta_de_verano_en_la_bah=EDa_de?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Maldonado_=5B_summer_storm_on_Madonado_bay_=5D?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 22:52:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ada69d32681591313764 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > well, Moose - until now, 03:47 a.m., I've been struggling for a better version. > No way, v.2 is horrible, and is travelling to the Trash right now. > > hats off - how did you manage that sky? - not only details in the clouds, but a more real blue. I did three things that affected the sky. 1. I used NI grain/noise reduction on the bright triangle on left side. I thought the 'clumpiness' in those clouds made the tonal problems more obvious. 2. I applied the Highlight part of Highlight/Shadow tool to make top end tonal graduations wider. I did a little bit more of this after #3. 3. Image=>Adjust=>Hue/Saturation=>Edit: Magentas. I then used the dropper and +dropper to select all the areas I thought had excessive magenta in them. This limits the action of the tool to those colors. I then lowered Saturation a fair amount and moved Hue slightly toward blue until things looked more natural to my eye. > Think I didn't nail with the amount of yellow, blue resulted even more 'electric', but yours is quite like the Provia ... even in my monitor ! :-) > Good, that's what I was trying for. In an image like this, where only part of it is the wrong shade, making overall adjustments to color channels is always likely to end badly. I'm not sure why you would be adjusting yellow & blue, as the problems are in the area between blue & red. The selective abilities of the Hue/Saturation tool are very useful for such problems. Being able to work with just magenta is much easier than trying to separately adjust two colors. The little sliders on the bottom allow tuning of the color range affected and how it fades into other colors. > I'm taking notes on the magentas and purples (those in the R-C-B triangle, the 'non spectral colors' as said my old Sears-Zemansky physics book). > > Someday I will be able to do what you did by myself. It's not that hard, but does take some practice to learn which of the main photographic image tools actually do what. I have to agree with C.H. that it looks like something went wrong in the original scan. I know nothing about the scanner or NikonScan, so can't add/comment on his recommendations. It's good you have started over with a new scan. That's one reason I scan to a "RAW" file in VueScan. It gives me an unprocessed file on disk that I can 'scan' with different settings without the time and trouble of further physical scan(s). I don't have to do it often, but once in a while I just get one wrong. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 23:39:07 2009 Received: (qmail 10292 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 22:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 22:39:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62D4430514 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2AC144004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EA61A0031 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:38:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036931A002F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:38:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8449 invoked by uid 502); 3 Mar 2009 22:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.206.0) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Mar 2009 22:38:56 -0000 Message-ID: <49ADB175.8080705@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:38:45 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> Subject: [OM] Warmer? Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 23:39:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adb18b193123675314703 Bob Whitmire wrote: > Y'know, the politics of climate notwithstanding, Something I've found from spending over six decades paying modest attention is that there are certain repeating patterns that seem pretty reliable. One I've noticed is that any theory that starts to become politically successful, gathers a large number of true believing adherents, primarily based on how it aligns with their political and/or religio-spiritual agendas, and moves into general public acceptance, is almost bound to turn out to be somewhere between over-simplistic and just plain wrong. I was wondering about the global cooling theories starting a few years ago, when the term started to become a catch phrase. I found at least one serious scientist, an emeritus professor of astronomy in the UK, who was worrying about something else entirely. His life-long field of study was solar activity cycles. What with all the relatively recently available data on long term temperatures and solar radiation, he had found a very strong correlation between sun spot activity and temperatures on Earth. His concern was that, if past solar activity behavior was indicative of future behavior, it looked a lot like we might be heading into a period of global cooling. He admitted no expertise on global warming from other factors, but thought if it were true about human created greenhouse gas caused warming, there was a possibility it might save our ass/arses from freezing off in the not distant future. A fair number of other scientific folks tend to agree with him about the distinct possibility of a period of global cooling from changes in solar radiation. The non-thinking believers pounce on any source of greenhouse gases, and would like to attack air travel. However, measurements during the days after 9/11 in the central US showed a significant increase in surface temperatures. It appears that the ice crystals created in the atmosphere by jet traffic create enough increase in Earth's albedo to reflect enough additional solar radiation to lower global temps. How might that balance their CO2 output, I have no idea. Now comes the latest data on global temperatures for 2008: "All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down." I'm not coming down on any simple side. My guess is that global temperatures are a result of many systemic processes pulling in various directions, only some of which we are aware of and even fewer of which we come close to understanding. At a far more simplistic level, I recall the hoorah about DDT. My father was a pesticide researcher. When proposals came up to ban DDT, he generally agreed that was a good idea, based on his very expert knowledge. He though there were a few very limited, specialized uses that should continue, but knew that was politically impossible. However, he was sure that much of the "scientific evidence" for environmental damage from DDT/DDE was in fact, caused by something else. He told me the rapid proliferation of inexpensive gas chromatographs in the hands of biologists with insufficient training and expertise in organic chemistry was leading to a lot of wrong results. He asked if I had ever heard of polychlorinated biphenyls, PCBs - nope. He told me about them, what they were used for and why they were a major environmental poison. He quite accurately predicted that they would soon pop up in the news and require major changes in many products and extensive environmental clean-up. His experience was that sloppy technique could lead to PCBs being misanalysed as DDE, the major breakdown product of DDT, and the major environmental contaminant from it. Lots of stuff ain't simple, no matter how much we would like it to be. A. Pensive Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 23:43:57 2009 Received: (qmail 14526 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 22:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 22:43:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00209430506 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648C644004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554B33610017 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:43:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8333610010 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:43:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11508 invoked by uid 502); 3 Mar 2009 22:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.206.0) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Mar 2009 22:43:40 -0000 Message-ID: <49ADB299.7090705@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:43:37 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4DDA057F-D71D-4BE6-BAE0-FD030788C768@roadrunner.com> <2477D1B6096A41F5862100C4607E09C2@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <2477D1B6096A41F5862100C4607E09C2@jimnichols> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 23:43:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adb2ad48571342116753 Jim Nichols wrote: > Obviously I didn't settle far enough south. My late father-in-law, after several winters in Wisconsin, decided to move far enough south that he would never have to deal with snow again. He settled in the town where my wife and I grew up, in Mississippi. > My mother's father grew up in SLC. When he left to study dentistry in LA, he swore he would never see snow in person again. When he died at 90, he had kept that promise. So I'm a California Moose. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 3 23:55:26 2009 Received: (qmail 5491 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E5C43052B for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08B844004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:55:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871371A004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:55:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB1D1A004E for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:55:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:55:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17812 invoked by uid 502); 3 Mar 2009 22:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.204.83) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Mar 2009 22:55:13 -0000 Message-ID: <49ADB54E.9000709@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:55:10 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0D6D5FEA-7E23-4D17-9A62-451D2CCF30AF@frozenlight.eu> <4DB23E67-C709-46BC-9E3D-3B39F67492B1@people.net.au> <49AC448F.3000306@blueyonder.co.uk> <3B183305-A89F-4186-B814-81AF5AEFE262@ucr.edu> In-Reply-To: <3B183305-A89F-4186-B814-81AF5AEFE262@ucr.edu> Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?shopping=2C_was__Nathan=27s_PAD_2/3/2009=3A_t?= =?iso-8859-1?q?wo_Brussels_se=F1oritas?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 3 23:55:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adb55e202291035110158 siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > > Oh come on, you guys, shopping can be fun! > I find the occasional threads on this and related 'marriage/couples' subjects amusing. I was a better, i.e. more patient and through, shopper than my late wife or the two girlfriends after her. In my current, long term relationship, that is again the case. Several of Carol's favorite items of clothing are ones that I bought for her or recommended to her. Others she found on her own. Real life often doesn't follow stereotypes. We enjoy shopping together - and separately. She's more likely to wait for me than I for her. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 00:04:23 2009 Received: (qmail 25171 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 23:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 23:04:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93E1430521 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:04:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E26444004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410AA3618001 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:04:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504383610010 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:04:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c3d.513eebbb (37058) for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB044-5c4549adb71e396; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:02:58 -0500 Received: from FWM-D21 (fwm-d21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.213]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA013-5c4549adb71e396; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:02:54 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:02:54 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41757-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.213) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:02:54 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB6A6B522B715B-17F4-F96@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] EVF-- the plot thickens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 00:04:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adb777110538512572685 Perhaps Samsung is coming up along the outside? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0903/09030201samsungnxsystem.asp Like the larger sensor but IMO form factor is King in this hybrid market, or else why bother? New 14-140mm for Panny G1 or newer GH1 as well. Hope Oly has a super micro 4/3 offering. Won't need a new horse cam for 2009 :-(, it appears, so can wait. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 00:15:50 2009 Received: (qmail 18799 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 23:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 23:15:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E538443053A for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B74244004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108C63610017 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:15:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCAB3610015 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:15:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:15:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29650 invoked by uid 502); 3 Mar 2009 23:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.204.83) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Mar 2009 23:15:40 -0000 Message-ID: <49ADBA1A.6090306@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:15:38 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com><499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com><499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> <49AC8341.7080301@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <49AC8341.7080301@adinet.com.uy> Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 37: new entry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 00:15:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adba26305261234514069 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > ... > > Perhaps we should see the positive side of not leaving written words: each photograph could be considered as an in the sense Umberto Eco defines it: free to the understanding of the observer: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umberto_Eco#Books_on_philosophy > I agree with the principal, but don't see how it is a problem with TOPE comments. The way the pages are arranged, I don't see comments until I scroll/page down. I almost always have a pretty clear idea of how I relate to an image before I go on to look at comments. Not often, but sometimes, a comment will cause a significant "aha" that opens up something I hadn't noticed and changes my relationship to the image. That seems to me to be a worthwhile learning experience. Of course, living with an image for a long time can also lead to reassessments, but that's not likely to happen to me with TOPE images. I don't leave individual images up on my screen that long. > Anyway, I miss the times when people wrote three or four comments - they were invaluable to me in 2002-2003. > > Hope not anyone here prefers not to make a comment just because it might be felt as rude by the author. I think we list are hard skinned and well humored to make profit of such a situation. > As a matter of fact, it should be much more profitable for the photographer to read a 'rude' comment. > I'm not sure "rude" is quite the English word you are looking for. "Rude" implies to me an intention to offend. I suspect you are referring to comments that may criticize some aspect(s) of an image, with or without positive comments on other aspects. I agree that most list members and TOPE participants seem open to constructively meant criticism, although I'm not sure it applies to all. A lesser problem, but one that has occurred on occasion is mis-understanding based on language. As a multi-lingual group communicating in only one, there are inevitable mis-writings and mis-readings. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 00:27:33 2009 Received: (qmail 14934 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 23:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 23:27:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2CF1C40F3A for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B2E44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D7E1A009F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:27:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0941A009E for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:27:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.jazztel.es (smtp02.jazztel.es [62.14.3.171]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [87.222.165.236] (helo=mac-pro-de-david-irisarri.local) by smtp02.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ledt9-0001lP-Fr for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:19:04 +0100 Message-ID: <49ADBCD8.7090507@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:27:20 +0100 From: David Irisarri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49AD838F.5020300@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49AD838F.5020300@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es Subject: Re: [OM] Dave's E-1 calibration X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 00:27:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adbce5167931342116753 Dear Donald, Thanks for your review. Certainly I think E-1 sensor is awesome for = color calibrating. If you try to calibrate a Canon CMOS sensor it=B4s a = really nightmare. Although I used Colorchecker for calibrating E-1 for = Lightroom, results are much better that the built-in color rendition. = Now I am working in a twelve chart color calibration for E-1 with Lprof = free software. Hope to get a perfect camera calibration icc profile. Regards, Dave Donald escribi=F3: > This refers to the Camera Calibration for Lightroom posted by Dave = > Irisarri a little while back. I'll post my impressions to the list, in = > case anyone is interested. I had hoped to get an example up, but haven't = > managed it. > > I like it, first of all. It punches up the greens in quite a few of my = > shots where that is a marginal colour, overwhelmed by the browns and = > greys of much mountain and moor scenery. The yellows too, of which there = > are always a surprising amount (at least to me) in grass and foliage, = > and often in other unexpected places like stone- and brick-work. > > Just occasionally, though, it's too much; then dialling it back a bit to = > taste can bring it back to acceptable limits. It's a personal thing. The = > E-1's sensor certainly provides a nice mix and this is a lot closer to = > it than the default Adobe settings; I now have Adobe Standard, CR 2.4 = > and CR 4.4, in addition to Dave's. Adobe Standard (for the E-1) isn't = > half bad, but the mix doesn't quite get there. Some parts of the = > spectrum just don't look right to my untrained and amateur eye. > > The differences are subtle between 4.4, Standard and Dave's; I watched = > the histograms at first, but actually saw more watching the image. Maybe = > I just understood it better in the image (histograms is good, but me = > still learning...) > > What I might do is put them in my Presets, so I can guage effects before = > applying and decide from the view in the Navigator what works or not for = > the image in question. > > Which reminds me, I really have to sort out my Presets into folders, = > because there are gazillions of them... > > Thanks Dave! > > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 00:36:36 2009 Received: (qmail 22711 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 23:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 23:36:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133ED43055A for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:36:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336EC44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:36:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9863610016 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:36:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA463610015 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:36:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8003 invoked by uid 502); 3 Mar 2009 23:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.202.101) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Mar 2009 23:36:27 -0000 Message-ID: <49ADBEF9.3050409@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:36:25 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB6A6B522B715B-17F4-F96@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB6A6B522B715B-17F4-F96@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] EVF-- the plot thickens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 00:36:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adbf04260041585427447 usher99@aol.com wrote: > Perhaps Samsung is coming up along the outside? > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0903/09030201samsungnxsystem.asp > > Like the larger sensor But it's Samsung! If they follow past form, results from their APS size sensor system will be lucky to be on a par with what competent manufacturers manage with a 1/1.8" sensor. They've made some rather interesting cameras lately from an appearance, ergonomics, feature standpoint - but they all made really poor images. Not bad enough to be truly Krappy, just bad enough to be not worth buying. > but IMO form factor is King in this hybrid market, or else why bother? > Sure, but which one? Mike had a piece on this on TOP. Comments covered a pretty broad range of preferences. As least one agreed with me that I can do without an EVF at all. A first rate tilt and twist LCD is good enough, if it allows a much smaller form factor. For others, the lack of a "peer-through" reflex or EVF finder is a deal breaker. I hope Oly comes up with a compelling alternative vision to Panny's. I suspect they will go the other way as, unlike Panny, they have important DSLRs in the general size range and similar form factor as the G1 that they won't want to cannibalize. As between E-620 and G1, I think the G1 is already so unpocketable that the small additional size of the E-620 isn't very significant. Hard to say without handling both side by side. Assuming the 620 sensor is of the same ilk as the G1's and Oly does at least as well with processing as Panny with it, the 620 may be a very compelling camera. Announced as body only, so far. I wonder what lens they will package it with as a kit? 14-43 seems a bit down market in build quality and 14-54 II will make the kit pricey. > New 14-140mm for Panny G1 or newer GH1 as well. > Ha! I predicted here that the 14-140 would be designed especially for video, and so it is. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 00:57:47 2009 Received: (qmail 6621 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2009 23:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 23:57:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D428F430560 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5A944004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:57:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9F93618015 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:57:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25713618010 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:57:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19156 invoked by uid 502); 3 Mar 2009 23:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.202.101) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Mar 2009 23:57:35 -0000 Message-ID: <49ADC3EC.4070506@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:57:32 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main> <14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> <49AD4D13.5050101@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 00:57:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adc3fb208431823421471 Ken Norton wrote: > > > EVERYBODY needs a 300/4.5. > > :) > Oh dear. But let's see ... If everybody heeds you. I can sell mine for lots of dosh. And manage to avoid following your rule. ;-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 01:04:59 2009 Received: (qmail 3894 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 00:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 00:04:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B0843054D for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E7D44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0170E3610017 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:04:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A263610016 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:04:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-208.ctimail.com [61.93.57.208]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2404ngU024130 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:04:49 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n2404mEY008576 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:04:49 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main><14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> <49AD4D13.5050101@adinet.com.uy><9DB2F86E9A654DAEB09AC95CA4DB1659@main> <49ADA79B.1000509@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:04:12 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 01:04:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adc5ab270691234514069 I would say no even to black and white point. Here are two test shots and scan, only resize. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/FT-0001.jpg http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/FT-0002.jpg They do not look as contrasy as the slides, usually I will do a samll "S" curve to slightly increase the contrast. (different degrees of adjustments were used.) http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/FT-0001a.jpg http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/FT-0002a.jpg C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > > C.H., I scanned the 'Storm' Provia again last night -only ICE, black > point and white point, at 14bit & 16x. > My PS post-process is definitively an over-process. > > Shall resize and convert and change to sRGB, then upload. > > Wonder if both Moose and you can say something about it, and do anything > you might want to, provided anyone of you have the time and willingness > ... and tell me what you did and why - small secrets can be kept secret > :-) > > Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 01:15:53 2009 Received: (qmail 2078 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 00:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 00:15:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3BD1C40515 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:15:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1948644004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5823610010 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:15:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA40361000F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:15:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c0c.55c60acd (34907) for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA024-5c5549adc8061a5; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:15:11 -0500 Received: from FWM-D21 (fwm-d21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.213]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA033-5c5549adc8061a5; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:15:02 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:15:02 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41757-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.213) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:15:02 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB6A7565C94D45-17F4-13A8@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Lens testing--hocus pocus or are you really in focus? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 01:15:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adc83928081744846740 This slipped by me. 'Member the harsh criticism of SLRgear.com when testing a Nik lens because of their back focusing? They were quite defensive and took a beating on many lists. Seems there is some advantage to having a stable of optics Ph.D.'s available. Perhaps they fixed the methodology. http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/index.php This was one elephant standing in the room that looks to me to be nicely addressed. Would like to see how some of the eagle eyed list members would fare if provided with a proper focusing screen and magnifying eyepiece---just for fun. As discussed in a few previous threads the included screens are quite crummy for fine MF in DSLR's. Am not implying that other focusing techniques are not perfectly adequate from a practical perspective, but may not be optimal for measuring lens performance. One other elephant in the room is lens sample variability. Wish they would test 5-10 lenses to get some idea of index of dispersion of their measurements. As discussed in a few previous threads the included screens are quite crummy for fine MF in DSLR's. It also is getting increasingly difficult to separate the optics alone from the lens/sensor system with some significant manipulations by the lens CPU prior to analysis. They commented upon this when testing the G1---they suspect significant pre-processing and are investigating. A. Frequently Fuzzy Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 01:18:14 2009 Received: (qmail 681 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 00:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 00:18:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81ADB43055D for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C7544004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378501A00FB for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:18:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3CC1A00FD for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:18:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090304001808.QBOG4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 00:18:08 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49ADB175.8080705@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:18:06 -0500 References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> <49ADB175.8080705@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Warmer? Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 01:18:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adc8c6317229117217770 On Mar 3, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Moose wrote: > He admitted no expertise on global warming from other > factors, but thought if it were true about human created greenhouse > gas > caused warming, there was a possibility it might save our ass/arses > from > freezing off in the not distant future. Now Moose, y'know we murkins aren't supposed to understand anything about that thing called "irony," but to my limited understanding, I think it would be the benchmark of irony, the Mother of Ironies, as it were, if it so happened that human-generated global warming saved our collective arses from a fifth Pleistocene glaciation. --Bob Iron I.C. Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 01:26:01 2009 Received: (qmail 2188 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 00:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 00:26:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720D1430536 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B1544004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C473610017 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:25:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1116361000F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:25:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m26.mail.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c65.4265c533 (37535) for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB018-5bb449adc9f91c2; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:23:34 -0500 Received: from webmail-de19 (webmail-de19.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.40]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA023-5bb449adc9f91c2; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:23:21 -0500 References: <8CB6A7565C94D45-17F4-13A8@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:23:21 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 In-Reply-To: <8CB6A7565C94D45-17F4-13A8@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41757-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.40) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:23:21 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB6A768EF6341F-D88-69C@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Fwd: Lens testing--hocus pocus or are you really in focus? 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Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f163.google.com (mail-gx0-f163.google.com [209.85.217.163]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so6084095gxk.14 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:39:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.73.194 with SMTP id r2mr2610655vcj.76.1236127177605; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:39:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <49ADC3EC.4070506@gmail.com> References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main> <14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> <49AD4D13.5050101@adinet.com.uy> <49ADC3EC.4070506@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:39:37 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 36db4d480469ea83 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 01:39:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adcdd3275951823421471 > > Oh dear. > > But let's see ... If everybody heeds you. I can sell mine for lots of > dosh. And manage to avoid following your rule. ;-) > Forgive my hyperbole... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 01:51:34 2009 Received: (qmail 23600 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 00:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 00:51:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523EA43054C for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2851544004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078C93610010 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:51:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE1D3618001 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:51:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14571 invoked by uid 502); 4 Mar 2009 00:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.197.138) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Mar 2009 00:51:24 -0000 Message-ID: <49ADD08A.3090302@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:51:22 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main> <14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> <49AD4D13.5050101@adinet.com.uy> <49ADC3EC.4070506@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 01:51:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49add096184231946193717 Ken Norton wrote: > > Forgive my hyperbole... > Actually, I've visited the hyper bole. I suppose I've got a pic or two of my own somewhere. Haven't gone through those for ages, let alone scanned them. Wonder where they are ... I know I've seen the Mitla slides within memory. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 02:03:02 2009 Received: (qmail 1050 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 01:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 01:03:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2F6430596 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:02:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568DF44004F for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3182419F9AE for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:52:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B954919F9A3 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:52:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from asmtpout026.mac.com (asmtpout026.mac.com [17.148.16.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:52:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [172.28.2.12] (c-83-233-110-14.cust.bredband2.com [83.233.110.14]) by asmtp026.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.03 (built Aug 7 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KFC00D2Y235LF40@asmtp026.mac.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:52:20 -0800 (PST) Message-id: <6F65A283-4D1F-4995-A18C-FE9DEBC0663D@me.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-reply-to: <9e908c1f0902190445l3557197bid5153bbfd2d9c4cf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:52:18 +0100 References: <9e908c1f0902190445l3557197bid5153bbfd2d9c4cf@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:02:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [OM] Photos from Soda Springs, Yellowstone, Golden Spike etc X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 02:03:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49add346107262070262475 19 feb 2009 kl. 13.45 skrev Joel Wilcox: > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Johan Malmstr=F6m = > wrote: >> Another bunch of photos, >> from last autumn when I spent 3 weeks in and around Soda Springs, = >> Idaho. >> >> http://privat.johanmalmstrom.se/web3mk/ >> >> There are photos from Yellowstone, Golden Spike Site, Salt Lake City, >> Soda Springs and our site Threemile Knoll. > > My favorite is #68. I love that old house. > > Joel W. > -- = Thanks for looking Joel. The house is some miles north of the small = town call Paris in north west Utah. I like that photo too. thanks! / Johan -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 02:03:02 2009 Received: (qmail 11944 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 01:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 01:03:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800A4430552 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:02:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE81ED0404A for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D077B34AC028 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:58:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87C534AC024 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:58:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jmalmstrom@me.com whitelisted) Received: from asmtpout023.mac.com (asmtpout023.mac.com [17.148.16.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:58:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [172.28.2.12] (c-83-233-110-14.cust.bredband2.com [83.233.110.14]) by asmtp023.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.03 (built Aug 7 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KFC002YG2CO1P70@asmtp023.mac.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:58:03 -0800 (PST) Message-id: <59A78C4C-AC16-4249-B1FC-63D2597D7212@me.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-reply-to: <499D6871.5050201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:58:01 +0100 References: <9e908c1f0902190445l3557197bid5153bbfd2d9c4cf@mail.gmail.com> <499D6871.5050201@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:02:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [OM] Photos from Soda Springs, Yellowstone, Golden Spike etc X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 02:03:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49add345164174673671140 Thanks Chuck! I got a black and white version of #55 photo here: http://j-plupp.deviantar= t.com/art/YNP-1-104506519 I can't really decide on which way to go with this photo. for reference: http://privat.johanmalmstrom.se/web3mk/large-55.html Thanks! / johan 19 feb 2009 kl. 15.10 skrev Chuck Norcutt: > Lots of nice shots there. #55 is gorgeous even on the Krappy Kolor > laptop. I especially noticed Yellowstone Falls (#17,18) since they're > taken with a much longer lens than my own shots of same. The only = > lens > I was carrying at the time was the Tamron 20-40. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Johan Malmstr=F6m = >> wrote: >>> Another bunch of photos, >>> from last autumn when I spent 3 weeks in and around Soda Springs, = >>> Idaho. >>> >>> http://privat.johanmalmstrom.se/web3mk/ >>> >>> There are photos from Yellowstone, Golden Spike Site, Salt Lake = >>> City, >>> Soda Springs and our site Threemile Knoll. >> >> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 02:03:08 2009 Received: (qmail 30595 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 01:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 01:03:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7710943056C for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:03:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188B744004F for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:13:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AA534AC032 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:13:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCED34AC029 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:13:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jmalmstrom@me.com whitelisted) Received: from asmtpout024.mac.com (asmtpout024.mac.com [17.148.16.99]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:13:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [172.28.2.12] (c-83-233-110-14.cust.bredband2.com [83.233.110.14]) by asmtp024.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.03 (built Aug 7 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KFC00E4B32ZS230@asmtp024.mac.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:13:50 -0800 (PST) Message-id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:13:48 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:02:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [OM] Delta Junction 2008 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 02:03:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49add34c286942046811720 19 feb 2009 kl. 19.59 skrev Mark_Jennings@URSCorp.com: > > > Johan, > > Great pictures. I used to travel out that way quite a bit on my way > to and > from Slana, photographing along the Nebesna Road and the northern > entrance > to Wrangell-St. Elias National Park. I've eaten many meals at the > historic > roadhouse in Gakona and had more than a few beers at Duffy's > Tavern. Thats > beautiful country up that way, and not visited by many people. > Summer is > the best time to be out there - plenty of good fishing. Gets a little > brisk out there in winter! > > Mark Jennings Thanks for your story Mark. I have only seen Alska between Faribanks and Delta Junction but it still amaze me. It's kind of the northen parts of Sweden, but different... I would love to go back and having more time, I really would like to go to the Denali area for instance. Thanks! / Johan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 02:04:42 2009 Received: (qmail 6843 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 01:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 01:04:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D3D430553 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:04:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217AD44004F for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EC934AC02A for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:28:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD81D34AC024 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:28:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so958470ywk.80 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:28:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.196.20 with SMTP id t20mr3145332ybf.76.1234675683940; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:28:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:58:03 +0530 Message-ID: From: Sunil Manga To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:04:34 -0800 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] OM Adapter ZUIKO SLR lenses to 4/3 System. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 02:04:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49add3aa12591823421471 OLYMPUS LIST. Hi List, plan to buy a USED eVolt camera. Perhaps an e520 or e420. Anyone the list have a spare 'adapter' for using the ZUIKO 'class-glass' that I already have? Do mail me direct. Thanking You, Sunil Manga. -- Warm Regards. Sunil Manga, PRESSTEK 73 LINK ROAD, LAJPAT NAGAR 3, NEW DELHI 110024,INDIA. M:9811049707 Please don't print this Email unless you really need to - this will preserve trees on planet earth. ***************************************** Sunil Manga, Director Metal Forming Div. PRODUCTION AIDS & CONSULTANTS (P) LTD. FA-18, FIRST FLOOR, CROWN PLAZA, MATHURA ROAD, FARIDABAD-121007, HARYANA (INDIA) Mobile:+91-9958591532 TEL: +91-129-4001625 FAX: +91-129-4001627 E-MAIL:, , WWW.PACINDIA.NET Please don't print this Email unless you really need to - this will preserve trees on planet earth. M/s Victora Auto Parts Pvt. Ltd. M/s Victora Automotive Inc. Plot no-176, sec-25 Faridabad-121004, Haryana,INDIA. PH NO: 0129 4061879,4062874 Fax no : 0129-4062873 VICTORA TOOL ENGINEERS Plot No.:118, sector 25, FARIDABAD 121004 tel.:+91 129 5061873, 5061875,2235250 Fax.:+91 129 2238485 SDL AUTO PVT. LTD. 44thkm. DELHI-MATHURA ROAD, NH-2 (village SIKRI) FARIDABAD-121004, HARYANA, INDIA. Tel.: 0091 129 2205365 Fax: 0091 129 2205341 info@sdl-auto.com www.sdl-auto.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 02:04:48 2009 Received: (qmail 27503 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 01:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 01:04:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E2943052E for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:04:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A91AD0404A for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D5A19DFB7 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:39:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257F219DFAC for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:39:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (presstek@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so3080830wfg.26 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:39:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.18.21 with SMTP id v21mr3070977wfi.149.1235558382787; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:39:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:09:42 +0530 Message-ID: From: Sunil Manga To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:04:34 -0800 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Graphite Powder X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 02:04:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49add3b0132721744846740 OLYMPUS LIST dated Tue,24 Feb 2009. James R wrote about using 'graphite powder' to polish the ball on his USED BALLHEAD. QUestion is, where does one get this GRAPHITE POWDER? Easiest solution is to rake the 'lead' out of any pencil and crush it. This 'lead' is Graphite and can easily be used as an 'Excellent dry lubricant. Just try it. -- Warm Regards. Sunil Manga, PRESSTEK 73 LINK ROAD, LAJPAT NAGAR 3, NEW DELHI 110024,INDIA. M:9811049707 Please don't print this Email unless you really need to - this will preserve trees on planet earth. ***************************************** Sunil Manga, Director Metal Forming Div. PRODUCTION AIDS & CONSULTANTS (P) LTD. FA-18, FIRST FLOOR, CROWN PLAZA, MATHURA ROAD, FARIDABAD-121007, HARYANA (INDIA) Mobile:+91-9958591532 TEL: +91-129-4001625 FAX: +91-129-4001627 E-MAIL:, , WWW.PACINDIA.NET Please don't print this Email unless you really need to - this will preserve trees on planet earth. M/s Victora Auto Parts Pvt. Ltd. M/s Victora Automotive Inc. 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...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 02:14:50 2009 Received: (qmail 23413 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 01:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 01:14:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB9A430584 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:14:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B242344004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:14:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962941A016D for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:14:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F8D1A0165 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:14:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olympus@thomasclausen.org whitelisted) Received: from mho-01-bos.mailhop.org (mho-01-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.178]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:14:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from aste-genev-bois-153-1-37-204.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr ([83.200.27.204] helo=[192.168.147.109]) by mho-01-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Lefh5-00079i-Jb for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:14:43 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 83.200.27.204 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1/cznxmKvrBbDvOgqrekoWx Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: <0C68D889-2853-4C1E-9D3F-9ED876E2C0BF@thomasclausen.org> To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: Thomas Heide Clausen Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 02:16:37 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: [OM] List-Mum: Generic answer to "HELP, I've forgotten my password" for the list (Archive-access, list-options, ...) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 02:14:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49add60a6985368819438 Folks, I've gotten a couple of emails over the past weeks, which can be condensed into the of this email. I'll put a generic answer somewhere on the Olympus-list-webpages, but until I do, here it is: The List Mum can't see your password, but you can extract it yourself. Here's how: (i) Go to http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus (ii) Enter your email address in the field below the headline: "Edit my subscription options (vacation, digest, ...) or unsubscribe from olympus" (iii) Click "Unsubscribe or edit options" (iv) Click "Password Reminder" You should receive an email with a password reminder. Hope this helps! List-Mum -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 02:15:22 2009 Received: (qmail 13456 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 01:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 01:15:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B0743055A for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2EA44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604653618001 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:15:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4494A3610016 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:15:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omls@zuik.net whitelisted) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 928 invoked by uid 504); 4 Mar 2009 01:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (omls@98.118.121.81) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 4 Mar 2009 01:15:07 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090303194837.0116b3f8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:15:02 -0500 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: ws In-Reply-To: <49ADB175.8080705@gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> <49ADB175.8080705@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Warmer? Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 02:15:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49add62a7881585427447 Not sure what you conclusion is, as you have a way of avoiding saying anything directly. I've been an engineer solving and debugging problems for years. My conclusion is that most of the time circumstantial evidence often points to wrong conclusions.The real problem is often not what you suspected, and often not what management/people want to hear. At the same time, ignoring blatant evidence can equally be a problem, especially due to political BS opinions, or religious persuasions, or to propaganda. So who has a clear mind about such matters? I tend to trust those who have spent time studying the problem the most. What disturbs me now is the indication that the accumulation of greenhouse gases is not reversible. Whereas previous pollutants, once removed, tended to decrease their detrimental affect over time, but greenhouse gases may not respond to a corresponding decrease in their production. I don't think it takes much to conclude that man's impact on the earth's environment is significant. And when you have had to battle cancer or some other environmentally induced problem personally, your perspective changes a lot. As long as people can get by unscathed, denial is a very easy out. But if you have less than a year to live because of some environmental cause, your perspective quickly changes. It is unfortunate that it takes tragic personal experience to create real change in peoples behavior and choices. It is easy to take a detached attitude until it hits home personally. Wayne At 05:38 PM 3/3/2009, you wrote: >Bob Whitmire wrote: > >> Y'know, the politics of climate notwithstanding, > >Something I've found from spending over six decades paying modest >attention is that there are certain repeating patterns that seem pretty >reliable. One I've noticed is that any theory that starts to become >politically successful, gathers a large number of true believing >adherents, primarily based on how it aligns with their political and/or >religio-spiritual agendas, and moves into general public acceptance, is >almost bound to turn out to be somewhere between over-simplistic and >just plain wrong. > >I was wondering about the global cooling theories starting a few years >ago, when the term started to become a catch phrase. I found at least >one serious scientist, an emeritus professor of astronomy in the UK, who >was worrying about something else entirely. His life-long field of study >was solar activity cycles. What with all the relatively recently >available data on long term temperatures and solar radiation, he had >found a very strong correlation between sun spot activity and >temperatures on Earth. > >His concern was that, if past solar activity behavior was indicative of >future behavior, it looked a lot like we might be heading into a period >of global cooling. He admitted no expertise on global warming from other >factors, but thought if it were true about human created greenhouse gas >caused warming, there was a possibility it might save our ass/arses from >freezing off in the not distant future. A fair number of other >scientific folks tend to agree with him about the distinct possibility >of a period of global cooling from changes in solar radiation. > >The non-thinking believers pounce on any source of greenhouse gases, and >would like to attack air travel. However, measurements during the days >after 9/11 in the central US showed a significant increase in surface >temperatures. It appears that the ice crystals created in the atmosphere >by jet traffic create enough increase in Earth's albedo to reflect >enough additional solar radiation to lower global temps. How might that >balance their CO2 output, I have no idea. > >Now comes the latest data on global temperatures for 2008: > > >"All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, >NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over >the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. > >A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount >of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe >out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one >year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature >change ever recorded, either up or down." > >I'm not coming down on any simple side. My guess is that global >temperatures are a result of many systemic processes pulling in various >directions, only some of which we are aware of and even fewer of which >we come close to understanding. > >At a far more simplistic level, I recall the hoorah about DDT. My father >was a pesticide researcher. When proposals came up to ban DDT, he >generally agreed that was a good idea, based on his very expert >knowledge. He though there were a few very limited, specialized uses >that should continue, but knew that was politically impossible. > >However, he was sure that much of the "scientific evidence" for >environmental damage from DDT/DDE was in fact, caused by something else. >He told me the rapid proliferation of inexpensive gas chromatographs in >the hands of biologists with insufficient training and expertise in >organic chemistry was leading to a lot of wrong results. > >He asked if I had ever heard of polychlorinated biphenyls, PCBs - nope. >He told me about them, what they were used for and why they were a major >environmental poison. He quite accurately predicted that they would soon >pop up in the news and require major changes in many products and >extensive environmental clean-up. His experience was that sloppy >technique could lead to PCBs being misanalysed as DDE, the major >breakdown product of DDT, and the major environmental contaminant from it. > >Lots of stuff ain't simple, no matter how much we would like it to be. > >A. Pensive Moose > > >-- >_________________________________________________________________ >Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 02:19:20 2009 Received: (qmail 22241 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 01:19:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 01:19:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184D1430552 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:19:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC4944004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BB53610017 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:19:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C4F3610016 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:19:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:19:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 47283 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2009 01:19:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pYsRTbgVM1m_V2nckTuMfUYRd4IQP1TPNanOe_RslDojigVDtsrncUEMDaraA0h5vRgazP5vtGWoc5lxfYXQXrrx3Hh0jILi2WBOvLJuIq3QowzRqBdnH0f8xSONNjH6zxM5Iu2ZKBasNBnyFjDnDh6U1SNBcsQDYebIgYgi7GFiXK7rzKQGbztvK5j3RxGHemASzTAhUoCLseusRTXK.1NX7CJ2EMPa51WvSiV5VfPezhc- Received: from [69.204.7.197] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:19:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:19:12 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0C68D889-2853-4C1E-9D3F-9ED876E2C0BF@thomasclausen.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <267438.47052.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] N*kon's answer to Olympus E620? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 02:19:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49add717247262046811720 http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2009/02/27/nikon-to-announce-d5000-dslr-at-pma-/ The D5000. Features D90's sensor, adjustable screen, and HD video but no in camera IS. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 02:36:42 2009 Received: (qmail 31099 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 01:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 01:36:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61DC43055A for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475D044004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDE23610017 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:36:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF283610016 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:36:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.152]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1732780ywk.80 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:36:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.74.135 with SMTP id u7mr2624298vcj.4.1236130590430; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:36:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <267438.47052.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <0C68D889-2853-4C1E-9D3F-9ED876E2C0BF@thomasclausen.org> <267438.47052.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:36:30 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a2d5db320cc76eae Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] N*kon's answer to Olympus E620? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 02:36:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49addb2a293149347015869 > > http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2009/02/27/nikon-to-announce-d5000-dslr-at-pma-/ > The D5000. Features D90's sensor, adjustable screen, and HD video but no > in camera IS. PMA began. No sign of the D5000. Nothing to see here, move along. ;) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 04:00:10 2009 Received: (qmail 26770 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 03:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 03:00:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFEB1C4050D for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF46F44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6EE1A0211 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:00:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80FC21A020D for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:00:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NezM1b00D0vp7WLA3r032e; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:00:03 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Nr021b00x2Axmu48Rr0305; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:00:03 +0000 Message-ID: <1562093B81144492BA78C8F17FB1EF75@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:00:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Graphite Powder X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 04:00:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adeeba174782070262475 Here is a URL for graphite powder dry lubricant. http://www.drillspot.com/products/346351/Tube-O-Lube_31644G_Dry_Powder_Graphite_Lubricant Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunil Manga" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:39 AM Subject: [OM] Graphite Powder > OLYMPUS LIST dated Tue,24 Feb 2009. > James R wrote about using 'graphite powder' to > polish the ball on his USED BALLHEAD. > QUestion is, where does one get this GRAPHITE POWDER? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 04:01:14 2009 Received: (qmail 13808 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 03:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 03:01:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3FE430544 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:01:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2461F44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C5F3610017 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:01:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB80C361001A for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:01:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29845 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 03:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.152.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 03:01:00 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49ADB175.8080705@gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> <49ADB175.8080705@gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:01:02 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Warmer? Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 04:01:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adeefa34254673671140 1. The understandings are simplistic - the science is anything but. It's extremely complex, hence the room for misunderstandings, some of them deliberate. And does your thesis also apply to other now broadly accepted social concepts like 'smoking tends to kill you' and 'drunk drivers kill people' - both of these are ideas that have taken hold during my lifetime. 2. A few years ago? I was teaching the basic principles of atmospheric modification 25 years ago and it's only recently become the 'conventional wisdom of the dominant group' (cowdung). Of course, we were also talking about acid rain and ozone layer damage then, once equally contentious theories. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/03/2009, at 9:38 AM, Moose wrote: > primarily based on how it aligns with their political and/or > religio-spiritual agendas, and moves into general public > acceptance, is > almost bound to turn out to be somewhere between over-simplistic and > just plain wrong. > > I was wondering about the global cooling theories starting a few years > ago, when the term started to become a catch phrase. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 04:02:28 2009 Received: (qmail 26408 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 03:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 03:02:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646E31C40F46 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E6544004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:02:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D68E3618010 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:02:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DDE3610015 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:02:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30202 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 03:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.152.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 03:02:16 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49ADB54E.9000709@gmail.com> References: <0D6D5FEA-7E23-4D17-9A62-451D2CCF30AF@frozenlight.eu> <4DB23E67-C709-46BC-9E3D-3B39F67492B1@people.net.au> <49AC448F.3000306@blueyonder.co.uk> <3B183305-A89F-4186-B814-81AF5AEFE262@ucr.edu> <49ADB54E.9000709@gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:02:18 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?shopping=2C_was__Nathan=27s_PAD_2/3/2009=3A_t?= =?iso-8859-1?q?wo_Brussels_se=F1oritas?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 04:02:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adef44109901702588592 She is clearly a wise, sensible and careful shopper who makes good choices, quite quickly. If only... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/03/2009, at 9:55 AM, Moose wrote: > Real life often doesn't follow stereotypes. We enjoy shopping > together - > and separately. She's more likely to wait for me than I for her. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 04:12:23 2009 Received: (qmail 12980 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 03:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 03:12:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4024C430551 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F90644004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302321A0226 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:12:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4DA1A0224 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:12:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32709 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 03:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.152.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 03:12:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> <49ADB175.8080705@gmail.com> Message-Id: <758B81A3-5F97-407D-B1C7-AA816F88E31B@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:12:13 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Warmer? Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 04:12:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adf19726378512572685 Yer...reminds me of the one about how pollution in the atmosphere would act as a barrier to excess heating - or was that it would trap heat and forestall global cooling. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/03/2009, at 11:18 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: >> He admitted no expertise on global warming from other >> factors, but thought if it were true about human created greenhouse >> gas >> caused warming, there was a possibility it might save our ass/arses >> from >> freezing off in the not distant future. > > Now Moose, y'know we murkins aren't supposed to understand anything > about that thing called "irony," but to my limited understanding, I > think it would be the benchmark of irony, the Mother of Ironies, as it > were, if it so happened that human-generated global warming saved our > collective arses from a fifth Pleistocene glaciation. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 04:16:14 2009 Received: (qmail 18970 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 03:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 03:16:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833D943055B for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8871D44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7888F1A022A for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:16:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E051A0225 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:16:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1899 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 03:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.152.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 03:16:01 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <24F2C03F-037E-4E36-B524-02B5F464C984@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:16:02 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Graphite Powder X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 04:16:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adf27e192301234514069 That'll work but the proper stuff is widely available - it's the lubricant for small locks such as car door locks. Comes in a puffer pack, quite cheaply. Ideal for applications where you don't want the lube to collect dust and foul the mechanism. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 25/02/2009, at 9:39 PM, Sunil Manga wrote: > OLYMPUS LIST dated Tue,24 Feb 2009. > James R wrote about using 'graphite > powder' to > polish the ball on his USED BALLHEAD. > QUestion is, where does one get this GRAPHITE POWDER? > Easiest solution is to rake the 'lead' out of any pencil and crush it. > This 'lead' is Graphite and can easily be used as an 'Excellent dry > lubricant. > Just try it. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 04:18:44 2009 Received: (qmail 20981 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 03:18:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 03:18:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A731143055D for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E3244004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7DD3610010 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:18:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5A3361000F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:18:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3281 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 03:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.152.51) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 03:18:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090303194837.0116b3f8@zuik.net> References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> <49ADB175.8080705@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090303194837.0116b3f8@zuik.net> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:18:34 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Warmer? Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 04:18:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adf314321041838542571 Although I hestitate to mention the Gore, I think that's exactly why the story about tobacco farming was included in 'Inconvenient Truth'. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/03/2009, at 12:15 PM, ws wrote: > It is unfortunate that it takes tragic personal experience to create > real change in peoples behavior and choices. It is easy to take a > detached attitude until it hits home personally. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 04:33:19 2009 Received: (qmail 17529 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 03:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 03:33:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2403A430560 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9FF44004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411F93610016 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:33:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD534361000F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:33:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090304033311.XNWQ15930.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 03:33:11 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <758B81A3-5F97-407D-B1C7-AA816F88E31B@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:33:11 -0500 References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> <49ADB175.8080705@gmail.com> <758B81A3-5F97-407D-B1C7-AA816F88E31B@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Warmer? Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 04:33:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adf67f177231073733319 I seem to recall that pollution was either going to block the sun's rays and cool the planet, or trap heat and warm it. Do we have a winner yet? Are we sure? Wasn't there a time when Earth's atmosphere wasn't oxygen, and bacteria were the dominant life forms? Too bad there wasn't anyone around to decry the climate change that ended that state of affairs. Or the one at the end of the Cretaceous. Wait, wasn't there a big change before that? Cambrian? Pre-Cambrian? Another mass extinction. Another abundance of dead life forms. Could we go so far as to say that climate change is a constant, and that any and all life forms contribute their bit, but the change is going to happen? I could be misremembering, but wasn't it a surfeit of bacteria that hastened the change to an oxygen atmosphere, thus giving evolution another kick up the ladder? Perhaps a surfeit of humans will cause something similar. After all, it can be argued that the way things are now is not exactly the best state of planetary affairs. Hell, who's to say humanity is the bee's knees? Is our hubris so great that we think we deserve to live more than those pre-pre-Cambrian bacteria? Will Australia become the new Antarctica, and Antarctica the New Eden? --Bob "The End is Fear" Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Yer...reminds me of the one about how pollution in the atmosphere > would act as a barrier to excess heating - or was that it would trap > heat and forestall global cooling. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 04:55:33 2009 Received: (qmail 11445 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 03:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 03:55:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBB943055A for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8027944004F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6857F1A0244 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:55:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154CF1A01D4 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:55:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-m08.mx.aol.com (imr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.210]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c93.4072f578 (37046) for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB034-5bbe49adfba71e6; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:55:21 -0500 Received: from WEBMAIL-MY03 (webmail-my03.sim.aol.com [64.12.108.14]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA035-5bbe49adfba71e6; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:55:19 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:55:19 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41757-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by WEBMAIL-MY03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.14) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:55:19 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB6A942B8C6C80-160-BB6@WEBMAIL-MY03.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] EVF-- the plot thickens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 04:55:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49adfbb528323675314703 Thanks for your comments. Can't say I disagree with anything. To say some of Samsung's efforts were lackluster would be generous. They have ambitious goals and perhaps they will quickly ascend the learning curve. Less fancy engineering should be necessary with the larger sensor. No EVF really necessary for a horse cam either. The GH1 has a different sensor than the G1 as well. Can't wait to see how the IQ shapes up with these new offerings. Mike Sure, but which one? Mike had a piece on this on TOP. Comments covered a pretty broad range of preferences. As least one agreed with me that I can do without an EVF at all. A first rate tilt and twist LCD is good enough, if it allows a much smaller form factor. For others, the lack of a "peer-through" reflex or EVF finder is a deal breaker. I hope Oly comes up with a compelling alternative vision to Panny's. I suspect they will go the other way as, unlike Panny, they have important DSLRs in the general size range and similar form factor as the G1 that they won't want to cannibalize. As between E-620 and G1, I think the G1 is already so unpocketable that the small additional size of the E-620 isn't very significant. Hard to say without handling both side by side. Assuming the 620 sensor is of the same ilk as the G1's and Oly does at least as well with processing as Panny with it, the 620 may be a very compelling camera. Announced as body only, so far. I wonder what lens they will package it with as a kit? 14-43 seems a bit down market in build quality and 14-54 II will make the kit pricey. > New 14-140mm for Panny G1 or newer GH1 as well. > Ha! I predicted here that the 14-140 would be designed especially for video, and so it is. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 10:33:11 2009 Received: (qmail 32685 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 09:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 09:33:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97174301F3 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 01:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4B244004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 01:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F0E3618001 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 01:33:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8122A3610010 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 01:33:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 01:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17761 invoked by uid 502); 4 Mar 2009 09:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.176.102) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Mar 2009 09:33:01 -0000 Message-ID: <49AE4AC7.1010109@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:32:55 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49AC225C.5020906@interisland.net> <49AC5BAD.3000901@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <49AC5BAD.3000901@adinet.com.uy> Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_tormenta_de_verano_en_la_bah=EDa_de?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Maldonado_=5B_afterthoughts_=5D=2E?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 10:33:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ae4ad796731529615919 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Perhaps an anecdote can be told,... No film to load in my trekker - Velvia was in the fridge ... . The sun > started to show up from the bottom of the clouds, while the rain was heavily plunging :-(. > I'm exhausted and stressed just listing to the tale! > While storing everything back I suddenly realized that I had my digital Stylus in the dashboard !! - better than nothing I thought, and crossed back route 10 while deciding to zoom into the sun and its reflection on > the rain-wet water... > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3264896540/sizes/l/ > I like it. One thing I would do is soften the sun reflection on the water. The sky, clouds and the rest of the water are so nice and soft. But I see an edginess in the reflection part that sort of grates on my eye. May be harsh bokeh, I'm not sure. In any case, I find the overall look better with that softened. Maybe it's only me, with the 20/10 vision, anyway. > >> To my eye it interrupts the curving flow of the tree. >> >> > It does, to my eye too. Tried as much as I could to make a different composition. Problem is even worse there: the branch superimposes over the rocky hill of Punta Ballena. Doubt about my cloning-out abilities .... > I noticed that when shooting: wanted Punta Ballena to be distinctly seen :-( > Certainly easy enough to remove the most obvious part. Nobody but a local will then know the hill is really at least in part a short branch. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 11:07:43 2009 Received: (qmail 29954 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 10:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 10:07:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2644302B5 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 02:07:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8302344004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 02:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3D119DD1B for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 02:07:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B5F19DCD5 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 02:07:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 02:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31865 invoked by uid 502); 4 Mar 2009 10:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.176.102) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Mar 2009 10:07:35 -0000 Message-ID: <49AE52E1.1080304@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 02:07:29 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> <49ADB175.8080705@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090303194837.0116b3f8@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090303194837.0116b3f8@zuik.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Warmer? Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 11:07:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ae52ef136654673671140 ws wrote: > Not sure what you conclusion is, as you have a way of avoiding saying anything directly. I thought I was pretty clear. "My guess is that global temperatures are a result of many systemic processes pulling in various directions, only some of which we are aware of and even fewer of which we come close to understanding." To put it another way, I believe that any fairly simple explanations and/or conclusions about what's going on with the global climate will be quite inadequate. Remember, one of the root sources of the discovery of Chaos Theory came out of efforts to do short term, small area, weather prediction. The existence and nature of Chaos Theory suggest that a significant turn toward hotter or colder might rest on the apparently random movement of some very small thing in one short moment and unknowable location. > I've been an engineer solving and debugging problems for years. My conclusion is that most of the time circumstantial evidence often points to wrong conclusions. The real problem is often not what you suspected, and often not what management/people want to hear. > I agree with that. It's also been my experience that some events have no "acceptable" solution. They jus' gonna happen. > At the same time, ignoring blatant evidence can equally be a problem, especially due to political BS opinions, or religious persuasions, or to propaganda. So who has a clear mind about such matters? > > I tend to trust those who have spent time studying the problem the most. What disturbs me now is the indication that the accumulation of greenhouse gases is not reversible. But is that true, or more assumption/assertion than known fact? > Whereas previous pollutants, once removed, tended to decrease their detrimental affect over time, but greenhouse gases may not respond to a corresponding decrease in their production. > Then again, they may. > I don't think it takes much to conclude that man's impact on the earth's environment is significant. Then again, I read that the largest source of methane is termites, not man and his food herds. We're significant, but not the whole story. During the great glaciations, the loss of water tied up as ice led to opposite climate changes in sub-Saharan Africa, with increased temps, conversion of vast areas from forest to grasslands and reduction of rain forests to a narrow equatorial band. The effects on species loss and change was huge. Yup, nature often manages to do on it's own much "worse" than we've managed so far. :-) > And when you have had to battle cancer or some other environmentally induced problem personally, your perspective changes a lot. As long as people can get by unscathed, denial is a very easy out. But if you have less than a year to live because of some environmental cause, your perspective quickly changes. > > It is unfortunate that it takes tragic personal experience to create real change in peoples behavior and choices. It is easy to take a detached attitude until it hits home personally. > From my perspective, in the specific area I addressed, not toxics, recycling, etc, etc., I don't know what I may and may not be denying. I don't think we know which way climate is going - and likely can't know until it happens. Chaos and Complexity Theories are very frustrating to those who grew up with Cartesian/Newtonian ideas of how the universe works. They also are in conflict with a number of underlying major religious ideas of direct causality from Karma to the ideas of Aquinas before his vision. Quantum theory presents similar problems. Einstein's pliant, "God does not play dice with the Universe." may be simple denial, too. So I might suppose that others are denying the reality of uncertainty. All sort' a denial a what may be "real" goin' 'roun'. A. Moose in Denial -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 15:12:41 2009 Received: (qmail 4395 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 14:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 14:12:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28104303D6 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:12:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE8144004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F18F34AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:12:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6219534AC03C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:12:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f158.google.com (mail-ew0-f158.google.com [209.85.219.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so2537033ewy.14 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:12:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.137.14 with SMTP id k14mr5001424ebd.73.1236175950991; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:12:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:12:30 +0000 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] OT- Pictures of cold places X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 15:12:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ae8c5975441744846740 Antarctica, and they don't come any colder than that, not on this planet anyway. From 1911-13. There's even a rather good self-portrait of the photographer in his dark room. http://www.freezeframe.ac.uk/tag/gallery_Ponting -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 15:13:39 2009 Received: (qmail 10592 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 14:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 14:13:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C794303B4 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8A444004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4608619E413 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:13:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938B719E405 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:13:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.90]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5054 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2009 14:13:31 -0000 Message-ID: <134793.4105.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: zxkOtA8VM1lvqy0pKd7zz8RFOtN82iDiGBMI9hFascVjiKcZpqvdykRUNF6scuIIdB.Z8WKKg0DSOGaTlg.vVyo23ato21E1uTzkiPA6iGwW8f1BIULIP_89t4FdT7rY5Xv9hs8kTMP8B47GgjZUu_GZ Received: from [86.165.222.219] by web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:13:30 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:13:30 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] New Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 15:13:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ae8c93171061470116606 This Polar Exploration website has gone on line today. Some very good B+W images taken in extreme conditions! I only wish they were larger. It is hopefully a "work in progress" Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 15:14:32 2009 Received: (qmail 12939 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 14:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 14:14:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D309743033B for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454F744004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D45E3610002 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:14:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6C334AC04E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:14:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp05.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp05.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from 175.red-81-37-51.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.37.51.175]:51637 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay05.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.45]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1LerrT-0003Ld-Gd (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:14:15 +0000 Message-Id: <83A7B5F8-FA5D-4090-AB48-A670D429B936@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Picture a Day discussion group , Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:14:13 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 8: Tabarca and Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 15:14:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ae8cc899081585427447 This week (i.e. last week) I take you along for some day trips with my = visiting family from Florida. We went to Tabarca, got wet in Valencia, = but still it is nice to have them here. There is of course the usual = se=F1orita as well. http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=3D195 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 15:20:52 2009 Received: (qmail 6321 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 14:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 14:20:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFECB430312 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3855144004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A2119E442 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:20:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4942419E43F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:20:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.87]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 86170 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2009 14:20:43 -0000 Message-ID: <309099.85146.qm@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: GZe23M0VM1mH6jmNeMaONjsGxPGoxCD.sRzPXkce6F_xjvH4lZ2FtjQQ8hs_i2Tn1vSgJsZA9j1ImKnm7FZTm4LSD.uFWV4mUPq6g6pPLHTnNjOh_tYkAAh0DLpyRKD4NEaCPDsYxpbX7InPOLRGtf.0QmOYS0JZvJWWcy2OKAgBMHg.V4YkkmJlfUEAkHMLmMt_6h8kzRmc8mr7hwSEkZHF_AP8GtA- Received: from [86.165.222.219] by web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:20:43 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:20:43 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OT- Pictures of cold places X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 15:20:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ae8e44209741702588592 ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!! Having just composed a post on this subject BEFORE reading my inbox posts I am left with "egg on face syndrome" even more so as I now realise I have left out the website address...Thanks Ian for providing it! :o) However it is still a good site. Can you imagine the logistics involved in taking a plate camera to Antarctica and developing the images......at least the intense cold would not affect the batteries! Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK --- On Wed, 4/3/09, Ian Nichols wrote: > From: Ian Nichols > Subject: [OM] OT- Pictures of cold places > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Wednesday, 4 March, 2009, 2:12 PM > Antarctica, and they don't come any colder than that, > not on this > planet anyway. From 1911-13. There's even a rather > good > self-portrait of the photographer in his dark room. > http://www.freezeframe.ac.uk/tag/gallery_Ponting -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 15:35:40 2009 Received: (qmail 3439 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 14:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 14:35:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0418243038E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7889344004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406FE19E4A7 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:35:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD8E19E47D for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:35:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (londonjames@mailcan.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LesC3-0007JZ-KB for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:35:31 +0000 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LesC3-0001Nt-6N for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:35:31 +0000 Message-Id: <947EED12-B6B1-44F9-AFB5-47BB3B86C8C8@mailcan.com> From: James R To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <309099.85146.qm@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:35:30 +0000 References: <309099.85146.qm@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] OT- Pictures of cold places X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 15:35:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ae91bc186541234514069 On 4 Mar 2009, at 14:20, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > Can you imagine the logistics involved in taking a plate camera to > Antarctica How about a pianola!! But I agree, it makes moans about lugging laptops on a driving holiday, etc, seem a little feeble. Love the grotto in a berg shot. James -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 15:58:24 2009 Received: (qmail 8076 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 14:58:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 14:58:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9ED4303D8 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:58:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD8B44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:58:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4CC19E531 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:58:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B87019E52C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:58:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.145]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so2459320qwj.26 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:58:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.82.81 with SMTP id a17mr406211qcl.107.1236178689950; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:58:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <49AE52E1.1080304@gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> <49ADB175.8080705@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090303194837.0116b3f8@zuik.net> <49AE52E1.1080304@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:58:09 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dd3051e652624016 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Warmer? Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 15:58:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ae971074911869477228 > > Chaos and Complexity Theories are very frustrating to those who grew up > with Cartesian/Newtonian ideas of how the universe works. > There is a good argument that "Chaos Theory" is just plain bad science. It's a handy way of explaining away anomalies that haven't been adequately researched. For example: A traffic study that shows that 5000 vehicles pass a spot in the road every day. This is determined by number of vehicles passed in a sample period extrapolated out. However, on every Friday night during the fall, there is a burst of traffic of an additional 2000 vehicles. "Chaos Theory" is used to explain away this discrepency as just "one of those things". "True Science" will attempt to figure out why this occurs and accounts for it. In my example, the 2000 vehicle burst is caused by vehicles coming and going to the high school football game. I've obviously simplified my example, but I maintain that Chaos Theory is poor science and a way of saying "There is something weird going on here that I haven't quantified yet." AG (Chaos) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 16:02:46 2009 Received: (qmail 12454 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 15:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 15:02:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AEE4303D0 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:02:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCC544004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD6034AC029 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:02:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9FF34AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:02:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f109.google.com (mail-qy0-f109.google.com [209.85.221.109]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so16194qyk.22 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:02:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.84.5 with SMTP id h5mr5009272qcl.25.1236178950130; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:02:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <0D6D5FEA-7E23-4D17-9A62-451D2CCF30AF@frozenlight.eu> <4DB23E67-C709-46BC-9E3D-3B39F67492B1@people.net.au> <49AC448F.3000306@blueyonder.co.uk> <3B183305-A89F-4186-B814-81AF5AEFE262@ucr.edu> <49ADB54E.9000709@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:02:30 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3f65ca7c3047ed82 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?shopping=2C_was_Nathan=27s_PAD_2/3/2009=3A_tw?= =?iso-8859-1?q?o_Brussels_se=F1oritas?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 16:02:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ae9816109578512572685 Moose, you are anything but a stereotype. > Real life often doesn't follow stereotypes. We enjoy shopping together.. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 16:10:17 2009 Received: (qmail 26938 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 15:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 15:10:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFEE430591 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F5644004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D80E34AC029 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:10:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1EF34AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:10:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so1845558yxh.80 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:10:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.84.5 with SMTP id h5mr5022234qcl.25.1236179401917; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:10:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83A7B5F8-FA5D-4090-AB48-A670D429B936@frozenlight.eu> References: <83A7B5F8-FA5D-4090-AB48-A670D429B936@frozenlight.eu> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:10:01 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 79aef1287de1e669 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 8: Tabarca and Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 16:10:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ae99d981581234514069 > > This week (i.e. last week) I take you along for some day trips with my > visiting family from Florida. We went to Tabarca, got wet in Valencia, > but still it is nice to have them here. There is of course the usual > se=F1orita as well. > It is so fascinating how we all view our own home areas and the home areas of others. What we think of as "normal" is "special" to somebody else. I always appreciate your photographs as you are documenting your areas in ways that make me want to visit, see and experience what you have. On the flip side, it makes me realize that my photos of Iowa are special to those of you in other countries. AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 16:13:36 2009 Received: (qmail 4091 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 15:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 15:13:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A588C43035E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F7044004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB69219E62A for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:13:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA2219E63A for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:13:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f109.google.com (mail-qy0-f109.google.com [209.85.221.109]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:13:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so16696qyk.22 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:13:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.82.68 with SMTP id a4mr4502953qcl.18.1236179602646; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:13:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200903040111.n241BGI6032579@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200903040111.n241BGI6032579@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:13:22 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 31b554ff2c8022b2 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 16:13:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ae9aa0178894673671140 > > Make sure you keep us updated on that one ! > Oops. Chaos Theory lives!!! It's only warming up 8 degrees per day. It'll be about 190 degrees by the end of the month. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 16:29:48 2009 Received: (qmail 32546 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 15:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 15:29:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC434303E7 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4543B44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372BF19E6DE for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:29:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D885419E6DC for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:29:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olympus@thomasclausen.org whitelisted) Received: from mho-01-bos.mailhop.org (mho-01-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.178]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:29:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from aste-genev-bois-153-1-37-204.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr ([83.200.27.204] helo=[192.168.147.109]) by mho-01-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Let2R-000Hav-8C for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:29:39 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 83.200.27.204 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX19bqHU3F84+oLfmpRhwwoEc Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: Thomas Heide Clausen Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:31:32 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: [OM] List-Mum: Archives and Nabble X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 16:29:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ae9e6c317101234514069 Folks, As you know, list mails are systematically archived at the following URL: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Access to these archives are, currently, list-members-only, protected by the list member passwords (see previous emails on how to get one, if you've lost yours). Occasionally, "services" such as nabble.com is trying to subscribing to the list, and archive mails elsewhere -- and, presumably, make those available to the general public. Currently, I am blocking such subscription requests (some, automatically, some manually). I do this for the following reasons: o there's already a list-archive, accessible to list members o as we do not control these other "archive" sites, we do not know if sufficient measures to counter "address harvesting" and spam are in place o this list has been announced as with "private archives" since we moved hosting I'm open to compelling arguments and if there's rough consensus on the list to change the policy then we can. However for now, this is the policy that I'm (trying to) ensure, and I wanted to be transparent on this matter. (And, I appreciate a heads up if I've missed a such "service" being subscribed). Cheers, List-Mum -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 18:09:24 2009 Received: (qmail 12399 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 17:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 17:09:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D764305AB for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:09:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A2E44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:09:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1839619EB32 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:09:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4438419EB12 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:09:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:09:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090304170915.OGMH12334.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:09:15 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <83A7B5F8-FA5D-4090-AB48-A670D429B936@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:09:11 -0500 References: <83A7B5F8-FA5D-4090-AB48-A670D429B936@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 8: Tabarca and Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 18:09:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aeb5c4169571234514069 Well, it probably comes as no surprise that I'm partial to the young = woman waiting at the tram stop. Something about it. Perhaps it's the = way she's apparently staring into the middle distance, wrapped in her = own thoughts, unmindful that in no more than a few days an aging = American half a world away is going to be looking at her image, = wondering what she's like. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This week (i.e. last week) I take you along for some day trips with my > visiting family from Florida. We went to Tabarca, got wet in Valencia, > but still it is nice to have them here. There is of course the usual > se=F1orita as well. > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=3D195 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 18:28:03 2009 Received: (qmail 20161 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 17:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 17:28:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A2E4305A1 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B5844004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:27:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBAE34AC03C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:27:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F239D34AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:27:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501332D48339 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:27:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MsONZ+NddRBa for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1DA2D4832A for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:27:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <05FB6E39-07B9-466F-80ED-6452CC29462D@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:27:48 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Warmer? Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 18:28:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aeba23139202336821329 > From: Moose > > Lots of stuff ain't simple, no matter how much we would like it to be. Which is why there's something called the "precautionary principle." If there's even a chance of a catastrophic outcome, don't do it. If you get a strong warning signal from something already started, just stop it. If it's a false signal, generally the worst that could happen is that "progress" comes a bit slower. I'd be happy with a standard of living of the '70's. (We'd all be shooting OM-1s. :-) This is the principle that led to the Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, and a number of other law enacted under the leadership of a disgraced Republican president. Why did Nixon do such things? Easy -- the warning signals were proliferating, and his administration was willing to apply the Precautionary Principle. But then the US woke up from this "long national nightmare," it was "morning in America," and all precaution was thrown to the wind for 30 years. Sure, pushing certain natural limits without much precaution has produced what many consider to be "progress." And yet, there are as many (or more) hungry, homeless people who lack health care as there was when similar crises pushed Nixon to do some very un-Republican things. :::: We in America today are nearer to the final triumph over poverty than ever before in the history of any land. -- Herbert Hoover, 1928 :::: Jan Steinman -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 18:44:27 2009 Received: (qmail 9130 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 17:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 17:44:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8981C4303E4 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:44:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3ED44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3240019ED47 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:44:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50AF19ED4C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:44:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jim.timpe@fluke.com whitelisted) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 9C7F972FW6 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:44:06 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:43:52 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <05FB6E39-07B9-466F-80ED-6452CC29462D@Bytesmiths.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Another seen on local Craigs list thread-index: Acmc7pRL2tS+YN8lQbePeW60hAYRFwAAhIng From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2009 17:44:06.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0A30B00:01C99CF0] Subject: [OM] Another seen on local Craigs list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 18:44:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aebdfb240974673671140 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pho/1059502569.html Quite a bargain for everything here. 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Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 18:59:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aec18a57231073733319 > From: Andrew Fildes > On 04/03/2009, at 9:38 AM, Moose wrote: > >> I was wondering about the global cooling theories starting a few >> years >> ago, when the term started to become a catch phrase. > A few years ago? I was teaching the basic principles of > atmospheric modification 25 years ago... Of course, > we were also talking about acid rain and ozone layer damage then, > once equally contentious theories. My first exposure to global warming was 20 years ago.[1] And that was simply *my* exposure to research that had been going on for at least a decade. I think Moose is just a bit slow to pick up on things. :-) [1] "Global Warming: Are We Entering The Greenhouse Century?" by Stephen H. Schneider, climatologist with the National Center for Atmospheric Research, copyright 1989. :::: The first principle is that you must not fool yourself -- and you are the easiest person to fool. -- Richard Feynman :::: :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 19:04:18 2009 Received: (qmail 20714 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 18:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 18:04:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D3A430596 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:04:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4E144004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:04:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF6119EE1C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:04:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1A119EE12 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:04:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:04:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A0F2D486B8 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:04:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lfn+Xkm8hSqx for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:04:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F73C2D486A9 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:04:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:04:02 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] olympus Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 19:04:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aec2a2239721591313764 > From: Bob Whitmire, who is off his meds again > > > I could be misremembering, but wasn't it a surfeit of bacteria that > hastened the change to an oxygen atmosphere, thus giving evolution > another kick up the ladder? Perhaps a surfeit of humans will cause > something similar. And while we're at it, why don't we just package nuclear waste in our breakfast cereal. That should hasten evolution! Personally, I find it compelling to have minimal impact on the environment. But opinions are like certain body parts: everyone has one, and everyone thinks theirs smells better than the next person's. :::: Human vs Yeast: which one has evolved enough to avoid consuming all their resources and dying in their own excrement? :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 19:24:25 2009 Received: (qmail 2322 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 18:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 18:24:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCF6430596 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A078244004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA4219EEF7 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:24:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C4119EECD for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.155]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1904798ywk.80 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.100.211 with SMTP id z19mr128813vcn.53.1236191056977; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:24:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:24:16 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e3c30dc286ca65c9 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] olympus Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 19:24:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aec759264962336821329 > > And while we're at it, why don't we just package nuclear waste in our > breakfast cereal. That should hasten evolution! > That reminds me of the episode of the "Red Green Show" where Red came up with the brilliant idea that the way to clean up Possum Lake was to filter the water through all the lodge members' kidneys. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 19:35:18 2009 Received: (qmail 1051 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 18:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 18:35:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26919430594 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:35:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C74544004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:34:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D542419E525 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:34:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A343A19EF08 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:34:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nicodaros@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.250]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:34:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so3228601rvb.50 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:34:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.175.16 with SMTP id x16mr87179wae.134.1236191680697; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:34:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?169.235.36.131? (wireless-169-235-36-131.ucr.edu [169.235.36.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m26sm20402614pof.18.2009.03.04.10.34.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:34:40 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <83A7B5F8-FA5D-4090-AB48-A670D429B936@frozenlight.eu> References: <83A7B5F8-FA5D-4090-AB48-A670D429B936@frozenlight.eu> Message-Id: From: Nicoletta Da Ros Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:34:26 -0800 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 8: Tabarca and Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 19:35:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aec9e620851035110158 alt 4 and 5 are my faves, sea and dogs. nice pics :) nico. On Mar 4, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: This week (i.e. last week) I take you along for some day trips with my visiting family from Florida. We went to Tabarca, got wet in Valencia, but still it is nice to have them here. There is of course the usual se=F1orita as well. http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=3D195 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 20:08:55 2009 Received: (qmail 2537 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 19:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 19:08:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABA843059E for ; 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Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:08:37 +0000 Message-Id: <142983AA-CB13-4F63-8238-B8A6A823778F@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:08:35 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] olympus Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 20:08:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aed1c73821234514069 On Mar 4, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: Bob Whitmire, who is off his meds again ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BAF44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572FA19F136 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:10:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059AE19F118 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:10:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:10:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090304191043.ROSH12334.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:10:43 +0000 Message-Id: <09046A28-D520-4797-B855-532E76326136@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:10:42 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] olympus Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 20:10:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aed23d314161744846740 On Mar 4, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > we're at it, why don't we just package nuclear waste in our > breakfast cereal. That should hasten evolution! The cereal boxes would be too heavy. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 20:14:43 2009 Received: (qmail 26660 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 19:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 19:14:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D2D4305DE for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C1D44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8B334AC04E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:14:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A5634AC03C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:14:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jim.timpe@fluke.com whitelisted) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 55B2FFE3SB for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:14:29 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:13:49 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <09046A28-D520-4797-B855-532E76326136@roadrunner.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] olympus Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4 thread-index: Acmc/PEefdV6CoC5QGK+nQ0nIycZ0QAADWdg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2009 19:14:29.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[710F8030:01C99CFD] Subject: Re: [OM] olympus Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 20:14:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aed32354782070262475 >> we're at it, why don't we just package nuclear waste in our >> breakfast cereal. That should hasten evolution! >The cereal boxes would be too heavy. >--Bob Whitmire A great SNL spoof commercial spot for a new breakfast cereal called "Quarry". You can fill in the blanks. Jim -- Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment to this email. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 20:24:08 2009 Received: (qmail 23370 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 19:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 19:24:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B71E43059F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2154C44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06B219F164 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:23:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9EA19F1B7 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:23:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2216A46145D for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:43:42 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:23:53 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] List-Mum: Archives and Nabble X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 20:24:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aed558180471234514069 Thomas I think that your present policy is fine and justified. I see no reason to have other systems cataloguing the List. Thanks for your hard work. Chris On 4 Mar 2009, at 15:31, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > I'm open to compelling arguments and if there's rough consensus on > the list to change the policy then we can. However for now, this is > the policy that I'm (trying to) ensure, and I wanted to be > transparent on this matter. (And, I appreciate a heads up if I've > missed a such "service" being subscribed). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 20:47:55 2009 Received: (qmail 10027 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 19:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 19:47:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134264305C5 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:47:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5021C44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:47:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32FC719EE6F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:47:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C9D19F14E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:47:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gerard.telenet-ops.be (gerard.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:47:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([81.164.152.194]) by gerard.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id P7nk1b00X4BukHM067nkLB; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:47:46 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <9E42C350-5612-4872-B64A-E7C3EF42BE62@gmail.com> From: Iwert Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:47:43 +0100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] List-Mum: Archives and Nabble X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 20:47:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aedaeb323021702588592 I can only agree with this statement! Iwert Op 4-mrt-09, om 20:23 heeft Chris Barker het volgende geschreven: > Thomas > > I think that your present policy is fine and justified. I see no > reason to have other systems cataloguing the List. > > Thanks for your hard work. > > Chris > > On 4 Mar 2009, at 15:31, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > >> I'm open to compelling arguments and if there's rough consensus on >> the list to change the policy then we can. However for now, this is >> the policy that I'm (trying to) ensure, and I wanted to be >> transparent on this matter. (And, I appreciate a heads up if I've >> missed a such "service" being subscribed). > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 21:08:52 2009 Received: (qmail 8362 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 20:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 20:08:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A3E4305F8 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC1B44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B86419F393 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:08:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F0819F379 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:08:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.149]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so2586216qwj.26 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:08:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.84.72 with SMTP id i8mr381424qcl.63.1236197321152; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:08:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:08:40 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1e3268aeba15117a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] List-Mum: Archives and Nabble X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 21:08:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aedfd4108791234514069 > > I think that your present policy is fine and justified. I see no > reason to have other systems cataloguing the List. > Agreed. You'd hate for AG to have to censor his own posts, eh? Oh, and use an alias. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 21:13:41 2009 Received: (qmail 13921 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 20:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 20:13:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDB5430593 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C9544004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:13:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E4019F392 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:13:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E4119F358 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:13:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alienspecimen@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.150]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:13:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 76495 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2009 20:13:15 -0000 Message-ID: <793838.75901.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: rdWGECQVM1kRO7xrt6j5IgTCS3cqsgt2YQGwDF0wuI..LzTp6wN7ict0j5h4ZjD8gQ8iWdLJQZef_BBoXuwLGmBNiSIX0qIciK2PfI4mjaSfRWTNnUJgceArXHsZRGw1PLhQK6eoAIaYYeLNgvYw8V3EAqxWCif8E6I6klHEAo0wPhmZbk_2HqZWPRbKOPQ.CiLjaB9OMOKQOkFCU8PTiy__Hlf.6c1Ea2I_MSiOlk39ow-- Received: from [199.46.198.231] by web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:13:15 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:13:15 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] List-Mum: Archives and Nabble X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 21:13:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aee0f5306161744846740 The only reason I disagree with this statement is because Chris made it...:) =A0 BTW,=A0another place where one can=A0read the archives is zuikoholic.com =A0 Boris =A0 =A0 =A0 ...................................................... =A0 I can only agree with this statement! Iwert Op 4-mrt-09, om 20:23 heeft Chris Barker het volgende geschreven: > Thomas > > I think that your present policy is fine and justified.=A0 I see no > reason to have other systems cataloguing the List. > > Thanks for your hard work. > > Chris > > On 4 Mar 2009, at 15:31, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > >> I'm open to compelling arguments and if there's rough consensus on >> the list to change the policy then we can. However for now, this is >> the policy that I'm (trying to) ensure, and I wanted to be >> transparent on this matter. (And, I appreciate a heads up if I've >> missed a such "service" being subscribed). > > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 21:38:33 2009 Received: (qmail 24011 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 20:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 20:38:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC284303DC for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:38:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8984444004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2764F19F40F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:38:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92D919F3E7 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:38:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 20 days 00:02:33 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-66-82.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.66.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n24KbsFW012924; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:37:56 -0200 Message-ID: <49AEF4AB.9000507@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:37:47 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main><14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> <49AD4D13.5050101@adinet.com.uy><9DB2F86E9A654DAEB09AC95CA4DB1659@main> <49ADA79B.1000509@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Cc: "C.H.Ling" Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 21:38:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aee6c956349347015869 Amazing difference in my own experience - In N=BA1: black point was 0, 0, 0, but white did not reach 255 in either = channel (different straight lines for R, G, B.) Nevertheless, the histogram showed no pixels at 255 in any channel. N=BA2 has lots of light (in the bluishness of the sky, etc) and looks far = more near to the Provia - from scratch. Hey, seems I'm beginning to rebuild what I took for granted since I got = the 4000ED :-) Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > I would say no even to black and white point. = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 21:42:45 2009 Received: (qmail 21783 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 20:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 20:42:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8EE4305BC for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB6444004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2F034AC058 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:42:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC7D34AC04E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:42:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.64]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:42:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 76858 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2009 20:42:28 -0000 Message-ID: <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6pupW6kVM1kOdsf0DsAJg4VWsq.VqODFZ14TQpoDx3FLGV5iCgypTh8b9fFaBJ2v6pAZOeEk5_qlBFaVXGB1jd4vxVxpQxWfz0Vm3zwt_XE3EKjSvHsL9MElb1cSDI2I3KyknZiiqdGcHjHCKDITGRS9qoRWOJ3iSvTeicFgjQHyX4p5AKo_RJMKQZU8qa77k9zzr4Hx Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:42:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:42:27 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49AEF4AB.9000507@adinet.com.uy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 21:42:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aee7c5239422070262475 Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the 6th Annual Smithsonian Photo Contest: http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ The photo is #4 - the Theatre. Thanks. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 21:58:12 2009 Received: (qmail 4174 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 20:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 20:58:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAE04305DE for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6B844004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB29B34AC04E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:58:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A6534AC03C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:58:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (cygnus@ctgonline.org whitelisted) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9959 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 14:57:55 -0600 Received: from pool-98-115-208-23.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (98.115.208.23) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 14:57:54 -0600 Message-ID: <49AEEB98.70901@ctgonline.org> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:59:04 -0600 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 21:58:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aeeb64160702070262475 AS wrote: > Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the 6th Annual Smithsonian Photo Contest: > > http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ > > The photo is #4 - the Theatre. > Done -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 22:05:00 2009 Received: (qmail 7066 invoked by uid 0); 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One more for your side. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 4, 2009, at 3:42 PM, AS wrote: > > Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the 6th Annual > Smithsonian Photo Contest: > > http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ > > The photo is #4 - the Theatre. > > Thanks. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 22:06:49 2009 Received: (qmail 575 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 21:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 21:06:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AAB4305A9 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:06:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DB844004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5330134AC04E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:06:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC5B34AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:06:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:06:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090304210631.XGGW7442.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:06:31 +0000 Message-Id: <7BDB5914-6F28-4654-BEAA-88A60BB79C23@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:06:30 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] List-Mum: Archives and Nabble X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 22:06:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aeed6934741470116606 My 2 cents says you're currently in correct mode, that is, don't let the buggers have the list! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > 'm open to compelling arguments and if there's rough consensus on > the list to change the policy then we can. However for now, this is > the policy that I'm (trying to) ensure, and I wanted to be > transparent on this matter. (And, I appreciate a heads up if I've > missed a such "service" being subscribed). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 22:07:32 2009 Received: (qmail 8635 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 21:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 21:07:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9474305AE for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9FF44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B4134AC04E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:07:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4A834AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:07:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jim.timpe@fluke.com whitelisted) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id E730C049L9 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:07:17 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:06:42 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9CEE9800-71E0-4286-BDCD-AEDF2E9D4D24@roadrunner.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed thread-index: AcmdDOMdjGyHV+CKSeumCjqpqCrduQAACpLg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2009 21:07:17.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[33166090:01C99D0D] Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 22:07:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aeed945469347015869 > Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the 6th Annual > Smithsonian Photo Contest: > > http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ > > The photo is #4 - the Theatre. > Done Jim -- Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. 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He's one of ours ;) Although, maybe we should ask him to "anonymize" the addresses in there? Thomas > Boris > > > > ...................................................... > > I can only agree with this statement! > > Iwert > > Op 4-mrt-09, om 20:23 heeft Chris Barker het volgende geschreven: > >> Thomas >> >> I think that your present policy is fine and justified. I see no >> reason to have other systems cataloguing the List. >> >> Thanks for your hard work. >> >> Chris >> >> On 4 Mar 2009, at 15:31, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: >> >>> I'm open to compelling arguments and if there's rough consensus on >>> the list to change the policy then we can. However for now, this is >>> the policy that I'm (trying to) ensure, and I wanted to be >>> transparent on this matter. (And, I appreciate a heads up if I've >>> missed a such "service" being subscribed). >> >> > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 22:35:56 2009 Received: (qmail 28799 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 21:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 21:35:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4552D430610 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7043644004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5345534AC03C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:35:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1D334AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:35:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:35:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090304213547.TPRF4139.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:35:47 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id P9bm1b00U4Z9Gks029bnEv; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:35:47 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=LnMy4wV-BhcA:10 a=P4aUrCNp6SgA:10 a=Ftm4fjTUHdVi9-b_m8EA:9 a=Dc6ThbSnI6RcBc3XUk0A:7 a=XmiR5DZRgTVCxSLdiSAwVHGa-tMA:4 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <83A7B5F8-FA5D-4090-AB48-A670D429B936@frozenlight.eu> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:35:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 8: Tabarca and Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 22:35:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aef43c5481591313764 Well, it probably comes as no surprise that I'm partial to the young woman waiting at the tram stop. Something about it. Perhaps it's the way she's apparently staring into the middle distance, wrapped in her own thoughts, unmindful that in no more than a few days an aging American half a world away is going to be looking at her image, wondering what she's like. --Bob Whitmire Ahh, Bob, so am I. I appreciate Nathan's eye for the ladies! Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 23:42:49 2009 Received: (qmail 1890 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 22:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 22:42:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0F54305F0 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C00B44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:42:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3296334AC029 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:42:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E3734AC03E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:42:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.be8.49ca469b (34916) for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA031-5c6e49af02da335; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:38:29 -0500 Received: from MBLK-M05 (mblk-m05.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.38]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB034-5c6e49af02da335; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:38:18 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:38:18 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 170.223.203.93 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41757-STANDARD Received: from 170.223.203.93 by MBLK-M05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.38) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:38:18 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB6B310CC263BD-D14-8FA@MBLK-M05.sysops.aol.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] List-Mum: Archives and Nabble X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 23:42:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af03e9124691023412894 Yes, the "old" archives is a great resource--all old and new posts are nicely stored and searchable. Thanks, Nils and Thomas for all your efforts. Never had any trouble with how the old archives is structured now. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 4 23:54:08 2009 Received: (qmail 862 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 22:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 22:54:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDF94305F5 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:54:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A9744004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561C634AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:54:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3CE34AC03C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:53:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl26.gs02.gridserver.com (cl26.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.35]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50664 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl26.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LezyR-0004g6-Ep for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:53:59 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:53:57 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed Thread-Index: AcmdHBmLWFDYVAkPEd6DyAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 4 23:54:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af0690262231257536491 Wow, Ali, That is an incredible photo of a magnificent place. I voted for you. Good luck! Chris -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 3/4/09 3:42 PM, "AS" wrote: > > Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the 6th Annual Smithsonian > Photo Contest: > > http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ > > The photo is #4 - the Theatre. > > Thanks. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 00:00:27 2009 Received: (qmail 7464 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 23:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 23:00:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6829243060D for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:00:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CDF44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C2C1CD48B for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:00:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A701CD485 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:00:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KG0005DJ7WJM8O0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:00:19 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-9-235.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.235]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:00:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:00:19 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsLAIOWrkkYignr/2dsb2JhbACBSIhPvkEJj3MHglCBMQY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,304,1233547200"; d="scan'208";a="439618910" References: Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 00:00:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af080b29065368819438 Here's an interest photo and few words as well. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/geneva-motor-show/4933241/Geneva-motor-show-Aston-Martin-One-77.html Who ever said that the motor industry is in trouble ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed > Wow, Ali, > > That is an incredible photo of a magnificent place. I voted for you. Good > luck! > > Chris > > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-747-3962 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > > On 3/4/09 3:42 PM, "AS" wrote: > >> >> Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the 6th Annual >> Smithsonian >> Photo Contest: >> >> http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ >> >> The photo is #4 - the Theatre. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 00:07:47 2009 Received: (qmail 15517 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 23:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 23:07:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3A74305EA for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A24744004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B58B361000F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:07:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F86361000E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:07:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:07:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11890 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 23:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 23:07:15 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6F9D3894-5A90-46B8-8E9D-E6F066617ADD@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:07:17 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT- Pictures of cold places X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 00:07:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af09c347498512572685 Not bad, but I don't think they're as dramatic or as good as Frank Hurley's shots of the ill-fated Shackleton expedition - http://www.shackleton-endurance.com/images.html And you can buy them too, including the Ice Grotto shot on a linked page. Doesn't include some of my favorites tho', such as shots inside the Endurance as it was being crushed. Given the circumstances, it's amazing that any of the negs survived that trip. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/03/2009, at 1:12 AM, Ian Nichols wrote: > Antarctica, and they don't come any colder than that, not on this > planet anyway. From 1911-13. There's even a rather good > self-portrait of the photographer in his dark room. > > http://www.freezeframe.ac.uk/tag/gallery_Ponting > > > -- > Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and > experience > prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the > emperor *is* > naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and > there is > no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with > pizza. > > -Daria Morgendorffer > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 00:21:09 2009 Received: (qmail 13311 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 23:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 23:21:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D6F1C40F35 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:21:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E43544004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281131CD485 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:21:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97871CD481 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:21:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19558 invoked by uid 502); 4 Mar 2009 23:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.186.176) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Mar 2009 23:20:58 -0000 Message-ID: <49AF0CD4.1060807@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:20:52 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0D6D5FEA-7E23-4D17-9A62-451D2CCF30AF@frozenlight.eu> <4DB23E67-C709-46BC-9E3D-3B39F67492B1@people.net.au> <49AC448F.3000306@blueyonder.co.uk> <3B183305-A89F-4186-B814-81AF5AEFE262@ucr.edu> <49ADB54E.9000709@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?shopping=2C_was_Nathan=27s_PAD_2/3/2009=3A_tw?= =?iso-8859-1?q?o_Brussels_se=F1oritas?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 00:21:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af0ce5175021234514069 Ken Norton wrote: > Moose, you are anything but a stereotype. > > > Real life often doesn't follow stereotypes. We enjoy shopping together.. > Why thank you! That's one of the nicest compliments I've received since my late wife called me an iconoclast. Not even stereotypically unstereotypical? :-P A. Mono Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 00:21:44 2009 Received: (qmail 19352 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 23:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 23:21:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC054305DE for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:21:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565D744004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362C13610010 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:21:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D32734AC029 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:21:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:20:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17549 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 23:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 23:20:52 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <1C8B21E6-5FEC-47DD-8F92-A74318B9029F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:20:55 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 00:21:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af0d08266991823421471 Yup - nice. That's worth a vote. Well done. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/03/2009, at 7:42 AM, AS wrote: > > Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the 6th Annual > Smithsonian Photo Contest: > > http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ > > The photo is #4 - the Theatre. > > Thanks. > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 00:23:49 2009 Received: (qmail 25752 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 23:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 23:23:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5794143061C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:23:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98ADC44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDD134AC03C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:23:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B089934AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:23:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:23:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18014 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 23:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 23:23:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <142983AA-CB13-4F63-8238-B8A6A823778F@roadrunner.com> References: <142983AA-CB13-4F63-8238-B8A6A823778F@roadrunner.com> Message-Id: <94F81693-D9E8-48BF-A909-3B913AAB660E@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:23:39 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] olympus Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 00:23:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af0d8590462046811720 I'm not surprised that you're offended - we're all well aware that you are still medicated! :-) Andrew Fildes (who is seriously self-medicating for the worst head cold on the planet). afildes@people.net.au On 05/03/2009, at 6:08 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: >>> From: Bob Whitmire, who is off his meds again >>> > I'm not sure where this actually came from. Quoted in one of Jan's > posts. I find it blatantly offensive. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 00:26:23 2009 Received: (qmail 32057 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 23:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 23:26:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE344305D0 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC8F44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:26:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9918719DBAC for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:26:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAADA19DAFB for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:26:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19509 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 23:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 23:26:06 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:26:08 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 00:26:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af0e1f34378512572685 There's always a market for high-priced penis substitutes. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/03/2009, at 10:00 AM, John Hudson wrote: > Here's an interest photo and few words as well. > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/geneva-motor-show/4933241/ > Geneva-motor-show-Aston-Martin-One-77.html > > Who ever said that the motor industry is in trouble ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 00:34:00 2009 Received: (qmail 12340 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 23:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 23:33:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C661E4305EA for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88E944004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E48034AC03C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:33:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17B934AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:33:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21839 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 23:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 23:33:47 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <3738A564-1BDF-4CE7-8940-FFAF37593804@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:33:50 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 00:33:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af0fe7242681499373980 And can I just point out that there are lesser entries with higher vote counts so, while it may be ethically unsound, it is a clear duty of every member of this list to vote. Now. Get on with it. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/03/2009, at 7:42 AM, AS wrote: > Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the 6th Annual > Smithsonian Photo Contest: > > http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ > > The photo is #4 - the Theatre. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 00:37:01 2009 Received: (qmail 12692 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2009 23:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 23:37:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF26F4305E7 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5645744004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483CC19E57C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:36:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72D719E581 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:36:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.145] (helo=anti-virus03-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Lf0dv-0006wt-Bu for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:36:51 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Lf0du-0002NQ-UV for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:36:50 +0000 Message-ID: <49AF10A3.1090808@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:37:07 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 00:37:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af109d231121838542571 John Hudson wrote: > Here's an interest photo and few words as well. > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/geneva-motor-show/4933241/Geneva-motor-show-Aston-Martin-One-77.html > > Who ever said that the motor industry is in trouble ? > > jh Yeeeuuchhh! Man, that's ugly. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 01:17:06 2009 Received: (qmail 7201 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 00:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 00:17:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6094305F5 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61E044004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:16:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8335B19E61D for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:16:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF35219E614 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:16:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KG000A2DBFTBC32@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:16:41 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-138-9-235.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.235]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:16:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:16:36 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <72E74F8105A04768A07483ED7C4468FC@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsLAI+orkkYignr/2dsb2JhbACBSIhPzgMHhAEG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,304,1233547200"; d="scan'208";a="476283804" References: Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 01:17:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af1a02272241744846740 Penis envy ............... isn't that the life of your high brow GM Holden brand ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed > There's always a market for high-priced penis substitutes. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 05/03/2009, at 10:00 AM, John Hudson wrote: > >> Here's an interest photo and few words as well. >> >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/geneva-motor-show/4933241/ >> Geneva-motor-show-Aston-Martin-One-77.html >> >> Who ever said that the motor industry is in trouble ? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 01:24:09 2009 Received: (qmail 10777 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 00:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 00:24:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2423D430624 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:24:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0DD44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6A819E638 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:24:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605BB19E61D for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:24:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4274 invoked by uid 504); 5 Mar 2009 00:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090303-2, 03/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 01:24:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af1ba962551257536491 Hey! Well done. Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the 6th Annual Smithsonian Photo Contest: > > http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ > > The photo is #4 - the Theatre. > > Thanks. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 01:43:27 2009 Received: (qmail 27508 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 00:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 00:43:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05DB4305F7 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1029444004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:43:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB14934AC055 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:43:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A4934AC029 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:43:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31793 invoked by uid 502); 5 Mar 2009 00:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.166.65) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 Mar 2009 00:43:10 -0000 Message-ID: <49AF201C.7010701@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:43:08 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6F9D3894-5A90-46B8-8E9D-E6F066617ADD@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <6F9D3894-5A90-46B8-8E9D-E6F066617ADD@people.net.au> Subject: [OM] RawTherapee for E-thingies X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 01:43:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af202f76681585427447 RawTherapee V2.4 Release Candidate January 29, 2009 The following fixes/additions have been made since the last beta: - much fewer maze artifacts for Olympus raw files with hphd and ahd demosaicing methods -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 01:48:34 2009 Received: (qmail 29378 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 00:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 00:48:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B534305D5 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:48:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD3444004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:48:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E195E34AC04E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:48:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0440734AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:48:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n250mLnr017124 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:48:21 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main><14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> <49AD4D13.5050101@adinet.com.uy><9DB2F86E9A654DAEB09AC95CA4DB1659@main> <49ADA79B.1000509@adinet.com.uy> <49AEF4AB.9000507@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:47:56 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 01:48:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af2162132431073733319 Are you talking about your rescan or my images? For my images 001 and 002 d= o = have R and G channel reach 255. I will never force RGB to 255 as long as the subject has proper brightness. = For landscapes, if they are too far away I will move the master level close= r = to 255. Never move individual channel to 255 otherwise you will change the = color. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" Amazing difference in my own experience - In N=BA1: black point was 0, 0, 0, but white did not reach 255 in either channel (different straight lines for R, G, B.) Nevertheless, the histogram showed no pixels at 255 in any channel. N=BA2 has lots of light (in the bluishness of the sky, etc) and looks far more near to the Provia - from scratch. Hey, seems I'm beginning to rebuild what I took for granted since I got the 4000ED :-) Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > I would say no even to black and white point. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 02:00:35 2009 Received: (qmail 7856 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 01:00:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 01:00:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84490430624 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A08E44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0B234AC03C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:00:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB8634AC055 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:00:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alienspecimen@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.147]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 94619 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2009 01:00:27 -0000 Message-ID: <788907.93542.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: szIM97wVM1km4_zdH5gUo97ikrGd4g3sR7Rfu0VE1tVtb2PxdyLVmjLAy3joxLDDIlRff5NT1bPNe0AE2L5AGIJci_LNakH1MegMbgb_X_o7aWH_Ogwn.ryFL4ToQkLBoia9bCliToshRhhXsaczT524MlfbBebQ2LBJ.gJnRGDt_lgaP_Hho5BlN0jpR1vymNMewwkMAyTFP5HS7zWDKPQL4Mjv8rF5xXLlrm1uBhlSvPPirfHa1zR3A9TGJWfjmvC9faZPxxadNpWepX.K3bEbnV4RIOgz0vYQ_g-- Received: from [64.223.59.157] by web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:00:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:00:27 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT- Pictures of cold places X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 02:00:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af243365481585427447 Nah, not as impressive, their: =A0 http://endurance.correctnet.com/sites/Endurance/me.get?web.home =A0 I picture it cold, everyone should experience it...I highly recommend =A0 Boris =A0 =A0 ...........................................................................= ................ Not bad, but I don't think they're as dramatic or as good as Frank=A0 = Hurley's shots of the ill-fated Shackleton expedition - http://www.shackleton-endurance.com/images.html And you can buy them too, including the Ice Grotto shot on a linked=A0 = page. Doesn't include some of my favorites tho', such as shots inside=A0 = the Endurance as it was being crushed. Given the circumstances, it's=A0 = amazing that any of the negs survived that trip. Andrew Fildes =A0 =A0 = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 05:51:27 2009 Received: (qmail 21702 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 04:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 04:51:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED36A43062B for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AC844004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A660A361000E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:51:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417E334AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:51:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:51:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32532 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 04:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 04:51:09 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <788907.93542.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <788907.93542.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <6FD42CFB-8BF4-4B4B-810C-21A9EE70FF13@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:51:10 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT- Pictures of cold places X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 05:51:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af5a4f130551234514069 Cute. If you know he whole story, you'd understand why people like Crean were considered damn near indestructible. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/03/2009, at 12:00 PM, Willie Wonka wrote: > Nah, not as impressive, their: > > http://endurance.correctnet.com/sites/Endurance/me.get?web.home > > I picture it cold, everyone should experience it...I highly recommend > > Boris > > > ...................................................................... > ..................... > Not bad, but I don't think they're as dramatic or as good as Frank > Hurley's shots of the ill-fated Shackleton expedition - > http://www.shackleton-endurance.com/images.html > And you can buy them too, including the Ice Grotto shot on a linked > page. Doesn't include some of my favorites tho', such as shots inside > the Endurance as it was being crushed. Given the circumstances, it's > amazing that any of the negs survived that trip. > Andrew Fildes > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 06:55:02 2009 Received: (qmail 15761 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 05:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 05:55:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFD943069C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3306544004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:54:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02761CD482 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:54:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C191CD48E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:54:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A443140C6 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02133140BE for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:26:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49AF6938.5050100@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:55:04 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090303-2, 03/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 06:55:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af6936193421702588592 > > I was wondering about the global cooling theories starting a few years > ago, when the term started to become a catch phrase. Turns out most of the "global cooling theories" received attention to sell news media. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 07:19:53 2009 Received: (qmail 1847 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 06:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 06:19:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5856343069C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C4E44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:19:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D00361000F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:19:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FB1361000E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:19:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD2A3140B6 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:51:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB643140B2 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:51:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49AF6F0D.4020502@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:19:57 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090303-2, 03/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 07:19:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af6f0954722336821329 > > The 'Conveyor' shuts down locally because cooling water from the Gulf Stream can't sink and > return. Nothing local about it. Science is just beginning to make sense of the conveyor but the deep return loop seems to extend into the South Atlantic and well beyond into the Indian Ocean. If you cut the belt in one place who knows what would happen. Massive worldwide changes would result and it could be over a very short time. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 07:24:35 2009 Received: (qmail 23320 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 06:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 06:24:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAF643068C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E06544004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC98A34AC029 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:24:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E8F34AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:24:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:24:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C46C9755 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:47:11 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <19FC9F16-4C54-414A-8B7B-2EE45FC0CB05@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9F1FA59B-D65E-429A-844D-7B1BAEFE18AE@millennics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:24:27 +0000 References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com> <499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com> <499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> <9F1FA59B-D65E-429A-844D-7B1BAEFE18AE@millennics.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 37 is live! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 07:24:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af7023293411234514069 Hi Olafo I have managed to leave 2 comments on the same picture. I thought that the first go had not entered (from some days ago) and have just entered it again. Would you delete my second one? It's on Entry 18, Moose's I presume. Sorry Chris On 18 Feb 2009, at 14:21, Olaf Greve wrote: > Hiya, > > ...and TOPE 37 "Signs" is live! > With a modest, yet fine, initial set of 10m images, the initial launch > has just been performed, so go check out the great stuff at the > gallery! > > Then: as always, in case you haven't sent in a submission yet, or if > you have and somehow don't see it at the gallery, please do not > hesitate to send it in (again). So, keep 'em coming! > > Cheers and enjoy! > Olafo -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 07:28:00 2009 Received: (qmail 2096 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 06:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 06:27:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10B8430652 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FFC44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72A01CD486 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:27:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C861CD482 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:27:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32671 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 06:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 06:27:46 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49AF6F0D.4020502@interisland.net> References: <49AF6F0D.4020502@interisland.net> Message-Id: <89922FE6-EE91-4B97-BD13-4EA83150C617@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:27:48 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 07:28:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af70f0178931035110158 It's possible that the end loop of the conveyor will simply shorten rather than interrupt because there is a push involved but as you say, who can tell for sure. As the deep, cold currents cycle up deep nutrients like stored nitrates and so feed the the fisheries of the world, it has significant implications for food stocks as well. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/03/2009, at 5:19 PM, Mike Lazzari wrote: > Nothing local about it. Science is just beginning to make sense of the > conveyor but the deep return loop seems to extend into the South > Atlantic and well beyond into the Indian Ocean. If you cut the belt in > one place who knows what would happen. Massive worldwide changes would > result and it could be over a very short time. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 07:28:58 2009 Received: (qmail 6104 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 06:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 06:28:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375CB430671 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:28:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA4C44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:28:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521FE34AC029 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:28:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0452F34AC01E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:28:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B153EC9755 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:51:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <50732E1F-6629-49B5-8B87-D1F07446F409@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49AF0CD4.1060807@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:28:52 +0000 References: <0D6D5FEA-7E23-4D17-9A62-451D2CCF30AF@frozenlight.eu> <4DB23E67-C709-46BC-9E3D-3B39F67492B1@people.net.au> <49AC448F.3000306@blueyonder.co.uk> <3B183305-A89F-4186-B814-81AF5AEFE262@ucr.edu> <49ADB54E.9000709@gmail.com> <49AF0CD4.1060807@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?shopping=2C_was_Nathan=27s_PAD_2/3/2009=3A_tw?= =?iso-8859-1?q?o_Brussels_se=F1oritas?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 07:28:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af712a209071823421471 Impossible! :-) Chris On 4 Mar 2009, at 23:20, Moose wrote: > Not even stereotypically unstereotypical? :-P -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 07:32:51 2009 Received: (qmail 30072 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 06:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 06:32:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04E043067D for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CA144004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:32:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B1F34AC04E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:32:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC7D34AC03E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:32:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:32:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E788C9755 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:55:28 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:32:44 +0000 References: <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 07:32:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af7213121443675314703 Good effort, Ali. I've had a little vote myself ... Chris On 4 Mar 2009, at 20:42, AS wrote: > > Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the 6th Annual > Smithsonian Photo Contest: > > http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ > > The photo is #4 - the Theatre. > > Thanks. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 07:38:23 2009 Received: (qmail 10273 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 06:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 06:38:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD37F43067F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:38:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE7F44004F for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9F31CD48E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:38:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17F41CD482 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:38:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D9FC9742 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:01:00 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <637C4205-E95A-488D-9919-4A916B948EEF@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <19FC9F16-4C54-414A-8B7B-2EE45FC0CB05@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:38:16 +0000 References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com> <499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com> <499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> <9F1FA59B-D65E-429A-844D-7B1BAEFE18AE@millennics.com> <19FC9F16-4C54-414A-8B7B-2EE45FC0CB05@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 37 is live! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 07:38:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49af735f152501470116606 Oh drat! Sorry everyone! Chris On 5 Mar 2009, at 06:24, Chris Barker wrote: > Hi Olafo > > I have managed to leave 2 comments on the same picture. I thought > that the first go had not entered (from some days ago) and have just > entered it again. > > Would you delete my second one? It's on Entry 18, Moose's I presume. > > Sorry > > Chris > On 18 Feb 2009, at 14:21, Olaf Greve wrote: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 13:06:06 2009 Received: (qmail 12559 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 12:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 12:06:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25BD4304A0 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 04:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD29D0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 04:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C060134AC029 for ; 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Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:59:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 04:59:49 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT- Pictures of cold places X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 13:59:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49afcccd35582070262475 I=A0know.=A0=A0I=A0watched this program which imho is prolly better than mo= st books on the subject: =A0 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/shackletonexped/ =A0 You can spend all day clicking on the links...Enjoy =A0 BTW, this is the film that inspired the guy who established Endurance Brewi= ng Company.=A0 he is from Rhode Island, my own state, but brews out of Mass= .=A0 It is an excellent beer, although not highly rated by the Beer advocat= e (which has given an A to some beers that are just plain bad...) =A0 Boris =A0 =A0 ...........................................................................= ............... =A0 Cute. 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Andrew Fildes afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx On 05/03/2009, at 12:00 PM, Willie Wonka wrote: > Nah, not as impressive, their: > > http://endurance.correctnet.com/sites/Endurance/me.get?web.home > > I picture it cold, everyone should experience it...I highly recommend > > Boris > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 14:10:17 2009 Received: (qmail 2035 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 13:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 13:10:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC184303C6 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B1DD0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A76134AC029 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:10:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C6C34AC01E for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:10:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.211.75]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KG1006DLB8K7CWS@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:09:57 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <49AFCF2F.1010509@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:10:07 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Another seen on local Craigs list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 14:10:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49afcf39122221234514069 Is that a 310 flash? If so, no ttl on the 2N. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Timpe, Jim wrote: > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pho/1059502569.html > > Quite a bargain for everything here. > No connection etc. Can check out for if anyone's interested. > Jim > -- > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 14:15:57 2009 Received: (qmail 10967 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 13:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 13:15:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734444303EB for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:15:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EEED0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:15:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2384A19E3ED for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:15:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E297519E3D0 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:15:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.211.75]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KG100762BI90UOR@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:15:46 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <49AFD08C.8050507@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:15:56 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 14:15:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49afd08d172621702588592 Big congratulations to you Ali! Beautiful. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html AS wrote: > Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the 6th Annual Smithsonian Photo Contest: > > http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ > > The photo is #4 - the Theatre. > > Thanks. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 14:44:57 2009 Received: (qmail 257 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 13:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 13:44:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8F943043E for ; 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Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:44:50 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:44:50 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 14:44:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49afd759143498512572685 It was a toss up between numbers 2, 4 and 24. =A0 Number 4 won...:) =A0 Boris = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 15:03:33 2009 Received: (qmail 21178 invoked by uid 0); 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Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:03:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16835 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2009 14:03:23 -0000 Message-ID: <154942.15261.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OsQ1lqsVM1lL7RsnUA9qNKOLGMvzjtqUI.noOuIaDDdL6VRxyJrvA7XhcJk5S7LbrIOnoR0yjqNPgyRl.DgS6lWj8YhH3TUzqvDDkrN_yE8SgurTdk7tPrkr6XjlKCZ5vuI9R7SkXUuGIcE.0QJyjSamLct7WRduEgASgn.u48E9pDGKv0qxmVXt05Yv23dJ.poekP25kQrpuRhs88ZFsApiaY8vvMi.XF0JTXuhIYYEzl4vUjtVrOGTSog- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:03:23 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:03:23 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49AFD08C.8050507@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] omtech1@verizon.net X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 15:03:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49afdbb5282269347015869 Thanks. --- On Thu, 3/5/09, John Hermanson wrote: > From: John Hermanson > Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 8:15 AM > Big congratulations to you Ali! Beautiful. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > AS wrote: > > Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the > 6th Annual Smithsonian Photo Contest: > > > > http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ > > > > The photo is #4 - the Theatre. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 15:22:10 2009 Received: (qmail 15611 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 14:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 14:22:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CB84304C3 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:22:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1368ED0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF96A34AC04E for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:22:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC2E34AC03C for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:22:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.147]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so2849866qwj.26 for ; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:22:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.89.16 with SMTP id c16mr1833056qam.375.1236262921336; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:22:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <49AEF4AB.9000507@adinet.com.uy> <980872.75500.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:22:01 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0903050622y42def3c0x36dcf128c3a2b73c@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 15:22:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49afe012140341470116606 That's fantastic Ali. Gets my vote. Charlie On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:42 PM, AS wrote: > > Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the 6th Annual > Smithsonian Photo Contest: > > http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ > > The photo is #4 - the Theatre. > > Thanks. > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 15:33:23 2009 Received: (qmail 5735 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 14:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 14:33:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF7343045E for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95750D0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF0219E6E7 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:33:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA49419E6B6 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:33:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:33:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from toip6.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.125]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090305143315.FXAR1582.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip6.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:33:15 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgBALtsr0lGGKiU/2dsb2JhbAAI2S6ECAY Received: from bas4-toronto46-1176021140.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([70.24.168.148]) by toip6.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 05 Mar 2009 09:27:09 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:33:12 -0500 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed Thread-Index: Acmdn0++jnjkXAmSEd6cKQAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0903050622y42def3c0x36dcf128c3a2b73c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Smithsonian Photo Contest - Votes needed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 15:33:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49afe2b3268681585427447 Let's not forget that we can, and in fact are encouraged to, vote daily until March 31. The site just enforces a 24-hour wait between votes (presumably tracked by IP address). Michael On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:42 PM, AS wrote: > Apparently I have been selected as a finalist for the 6th Annual > Smithsonian Photo Contest: > > http://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/finalists/PCA/ > > The photo is #4 - the Theatre. > > Thanks. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 16:29:11 2009 Received: (qmail 7004 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 15:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 15:29:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA824430484 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE07D0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692FF19E959 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:29:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B6019E957 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:29:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 20 days 18:53:17 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-22-221.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.22.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n25FShFu008068; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:28:44 -0200 Message-ID: <49AFFDBA.5020604@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:28:42 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main><14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> <49AD4D13.5050101@adinet.com.uy><9DB2F86E9A654DAEB09AC95CA4DB1659@main> <49ADA79B.1000509@adinet.com.uy> <49AEF4AB.9000507@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Cc: "C.H.Ling" Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 16:29:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49afefc770671073733319 Sorry - I was referring to my own re-scans. In none of them, either = channel reached 255. But I had rather contradictory advices regarding this, one of them ( the = reason of why I mentioned white point ) - is that trying to find the = 'whitest possible white point' ( 255 @ each channel ) is almost = impossible. When I happen to find one close to this value in RGB, either = channel diverge from black point, and levels curve slightly ( or not = 'slightly' ) change. Worst is gray point ... I'm referring to Nikon Scan 4.0.2 Your advice is most welcome. Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > Are you talking about your rescan or my images? For my images 001 and 002= do = > have R and G channel reach 255. > > I will never force RGB to 255 as long as the subject has proper brightnes= s. = > For landscapes, if they are too far away I will move the master level clo= ser = > to 255. Never move individual channel to 255 otherwise you will change th= e = > color. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > > Amazing difference in my own experience - > In N=BA1: black point was 0, 0, 0, but white did not reach 255 in either > channel (different straight lines for R, G, B.) > Nevertheless, the histogram showed no pixels at 255 in any channel. > > N=BA2 has lots of light (in the bluishness of the sky, etc) and looks far > more near to the Provia - from scratch. > > Hey, seems I'm beginning to rebuild what I took for granted since I got > the 4000ED :-) > > Fernando. > > > > C.H.Ling wrote: > = >> I would say no even to black and white point. >> = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 16:46:09 2009 Received: (qmail 1254 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 15:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 15:46:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D168843048B for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E65D0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:46:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8084C34AC058 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:46:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA35F34AC01E for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:46:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-105.ctimail.com [61.93.57.105]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n25FjqET005646 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:45:57 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n25FjpS3027254 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:45:51 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main><14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> <49AD4D13.5050101@adinet.com.uy><9DB2F86E9A654DAEB09AC95CA4DB1659@main> <49ADA79B.1000509@adinet.com.uy> <49AEF4AB.9000507@adinet.com.uy> <49AFFDBA.5020604@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:45:45 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 16:46:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aff3c1257822046811720 Question - does your scan look close to your original slide? (I hope there = is no mess up on monitor profile). If yes, why you need to adjust it? If you don't mind just send me a copy of your resized original scan. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" Sorry - I was referring to my own re-scans. In none of them, either channel reached 255. But I had rather contradictory advices regarding this, one of them ( the reason of why I mentioned white point ) - is that trying to find the 'whitest possible white point' ( 255 @ each channel ) is almost impossible. When I happen to find one close to this value in RGB, either channel diverge from black point, and levels curve slightly ( or not 'slightly' ) change. Worst is gray point ... I'm referring to Nikon Scan 4.0.2 Your advice is most welcome. Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > Are you talking about your rescan or my images? For my images 001 and 002 = > do > have R and G channel reach 255. > > I will never force RGB to 255 as long as the subject has proper = > brightness. > For landscapes, if they are too far away I will move the master level = > closer > to 255. Never move individual channel to 255 otherwise you will change the > color. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > > Amazing difference in my own experience - > In N=BA1: black point was 0, 0, 0, but white did not reach 255 in either > channel (different straight lines for R, G, B.) > Nevertheless, the histogram showed no pixels at 255 in any channel. > > N=BA2 has lots of light (in the bluishness of the sky, etc) and looks far > more near to the Provia - from scratch. > > Hey, seems I'm beginning to rebuild what I took for granted since I got > the 4000ED :-) > > Fernando. > > > > C.H.Ling wrote: > >> I would say no even to black and white point. >> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 17:12:23 2009 Received: (qmail 31156 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 16:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 16:12:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9B4430450 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:12:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DD2D0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:12:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9180A34AC04D for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:12:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B103034AC03E for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:12:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-ew0-f158.google.com (mail-ew0-f158.google.com [209.85.219.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:12:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so65ewy.14 for ; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:12:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.74.20 with SMTP id s20mr376216vcj.36.1236269527206; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:12:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <666024.81610.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <666024.81610.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:12:07 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b8baddb0bcd032d8 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT- Pictures of cold places X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 17:12:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49aff9e7292105368819438 > > I know. I watched this program which imho is prolly better than most books > on the subject: > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/shackletonexped/ > > You can spend all day clicking on the links...Enjoy > I agree. Very well done. My one (only one?) side interest is studying Shackleton and the Edmund Fitzgerald. There is a new book out called "Mighty Fitz", by Michael Schumacker (not the driver), that does a remarkable job of revealing some information not included in the final official report. "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" by Frederick Stonehouse, long considered THE book on the wreck, is awefully biased in following the Coast Guard's official conclusion and the author downright arrogant in his dismissal of any dissenting theories. What the "Mighty Fitz" includes is the testimonies given during the hearings as well as other documentation which contridicted the official report. At that time, "Rogue Wave" were still considered a myth!!! Anyway, yes, the Nova program on Shackleton is outstanding, but still portrays him and the crew out of context with the times. These guys all signed up for an adventure which they had no illusions that they would ever survive. Expedition teams were made up of people with a different mindset than today's scientist-explorers. Where Shackleton and his crew made a monumental mistake was in not recognizing the seriousness of their plight early on and literally building a new vessel while they had the chance out of the spare wood, hardware and rigging. It was a classic case of boiling the frog. To draw a comparison, it's like people sandbagging their homes in the face of rising water instead of first saving the important items inside the homes. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 17:22:58 2009 Received: (qmail 11986 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 16:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 16:22:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541454304AE for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:22:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E78D0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:22:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170B234AC03E for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:22:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E421134AC01E for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:22:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 20 days 19:47:02 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:22:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-22-221.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.22.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n25GMXeQ011371 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:22:36 -0200 Message-ID: <49B00A59.5000403@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:22:33 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <482472707.96441236006342183.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <49AC09E5.4010201@chucknorcutt.com> <63DB093C3579405EBEDA0C0B32CCCC43@main><14883a8b0903021123y1f9d2c91xaef2e79dc72c9e04@mail.gmail.com> <49AD4D13.5050101@adinet.com.uy><9DB2F86E9A654DAEB09AC95CA4DB1659@main> <49ADA79B.1000509@adinet.com.uy> <49AEF4AB.9000507@adinet.com.uy> <49AFFDBA.5020604@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] OM16mm was - 14mm rectilinear Sigma for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 17:22:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49affc62208391993019900 Rushing out to work - sha=F1=F1 do so tomorrow afternoon Thank you :-) C.H.Ling wrote: > Question - does your scan look close to your original slide? (I hope ther= e = > is no mess up on monitor profile). If yes, why you need to adjust it? > > If you don't mind just send me a copy of your resized original scan. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > > Sorry - I was referring to my own re-scans. In none of them, either > channel reached 255. > > But I had rather contradictory advices regarding this, one of them ( the > reason of why I mentioned white point ) - is that trying to find the > 'whitest possible white point' ( 255 @ each channel ) is almost > impossible. When I happen to find one close to this value in RGB, either > channel diverge from black point, and levels curve slightly ( or not > 'slightly' ) change. Worst is gray point ... > I'm referring to Nikon Scan 4.0.2 > > Your advice is most welcome. > > Fernando. > > C.H.Ling wrote: > = >> Are you talking about your rescan or my images? For my images 001 and 00= 2 = >> do >> have R and G channel reach 255. >> >> I will never force RGB to 255 as long as the subject has proper = >> brightness. >> For landscapes, if they are too far away I will move the master level = >> closer >> to 255. Never move individual channel to 255 otherwise you will change t= he >> color. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- = >> From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" >> >> Amazing difference in my own experience - >> In N=BA1: black point was 0, 0, 0, but white did not reach 255 in either >> channel (different straight lines for R, G, B.) >> Nevertheless, the histogram showed no pixels at 255 in any channel. >> >> N=BA2 has lots of light (in the bluishness of the sky, etc) and looks far >> more near to the Provia - from scratch. >> >> Hey, seems I'm beginning to rebuild what I took for granted since I got >> the 4000ED :-) >> >> Fernando. >> >> >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >> >> = >>> I would say no even to black and white point. >>> >>> = > > > = -- = Dr. Fernando Gonz=E1lez Gentile M.D. Av.L.P.Ponce 1526B - 11600 Montevideo, Uruguay. Phone: +598 2 7084858 Fax: +598 2 7087396 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 18:00:26 2009 Received: (qmail 14744 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 17:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 17:00:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C694304D4 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD75AD0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FC319EAD9 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:00:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAE119EAD0 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:00:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2282D50540 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:00:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uiU4RrmKzviV for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1089F2D5052A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:00:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <68B29DF1-624A-4217-B02E-E814D8F618D0@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:00:10 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] olympus Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 18:00:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b0052a53081234514069 > From: Ken Norton >> >> And while we're at it, why don't we just package nuclear waste in our >> breakfast cereal. That should hasten evolution! > > That reminds me of the episode of the "Red Green Show..." Wow, a Mercan who consumes propaganda from The Peoples Republic of Canukistan! Watching that show has been scientifically proven to asymmetrically change the colour of your socks. It's a gateway drug -- be careful, or you'll start clamouring for national health care, or start spreading "u"s around in all your words with "o"s in them. :-) :::: A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom. Martin Luther King, Jr. :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 18:01:46 2009 Received: (qmail 15631 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 17:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 17:01:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEF2430455 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61025D0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5334134AC056 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:01:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F4E34AC029 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:01:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60252D50580 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:01:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LeMkAL6D1-Ef for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276852D50571 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:01:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <502E1F73-5416-41E5-AAEB-C30B7945654C@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:01:37 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] olympus Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 18:01:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b0057a18061702588592 > From: Bob Whitmire > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > >> we're at it, why don't we just package nuclear waste in our >> breakfast cereal. That should hasten evolution! > > The cereal boxes would be too heavy. But the tiny action figures in each box would glow in the dark! :::: In any universe described by the theory of relativity, time = cannot exist. -- Kurt G=F6del :::: Jan Steinman -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 18:03:32 2009 Received: (qmail 25318 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 17:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 17:03:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2F8430534 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:03:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29163D0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:03:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E247F19EAEB for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:03:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374B119EAD8 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:03:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LfGye-0002IK-PA for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:03:20 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com><22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net><49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <5293578A-FDD8-4785-A93F-B579D57A2240@threeshoes.net> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:03:15 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcmbUmFeM1/pKLf7QFK0jLPh5QTo5QCYW1iQ In-Reply-To: <5293578A-FDD8-4785-A93F-B579D57A2240@threeshoes.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090305-0, 05/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/9068/Wed Mar 4 21:56:13 2009, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 18:03:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b005e4102985368819438 Hmm, sounds like an OM-ceilidh is called for, no? Unless you have plans for an airdrop to get to Lochinver, you will be pretty much passing by en-route! Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: 02 March 2009 16:17 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South Oh, Scottish weather is vastly different from East Anglia's, Frank. Either it's blowing harder, or it's (generally) colder from being so much further north. However, I do know that the Gulf Stream has a great effect on the temperatures, particularly on the west coast of Scotland. And we have booked a holiday on the west coast up near Lochinver, within sight of Suilvenn, a magical lump of rock. So we can test the effect of the Gulf Stream (again). Chris On 2 Mar 2009, at 15:52, Frank van Lindert wrote: > Here in Holland same thing, until the end of May (ground) frost is to > be expected. And why would Cambridgeshire be different from Scotland > or Holland? Weatherwise that is, I can think of a lot of other > differences which do apply... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 18:27:53 2009 Received: (qmail 30634 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 17:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 17:27:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D3C430484 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AE3D0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D7534AC04E for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:27:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865D634AC03E for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:27:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC963140B2 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBA031409B for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:59:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49B00B97.30702@interisland.net> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:27:51 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090305-0, 03/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] OT- Pictures of cold places X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 18:27:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b00b9975591993019900 I have an old copy of Ponting's book, "Great White South". Rather worse for wear or I'd be able to convert it into some serious ZDglass. Must be around here somewhere.... too many books. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 22:27:03 2009 Received: (qmail 18595 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 21:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 21:27:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB40430680 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6FDD0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC4519ED49 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:26:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AED19ED48 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:26:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 75402 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2009 21:26:54 -0000 Message-ID: <65676.75252.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: W7AWwzYVM1mq.xQ20tOijNR6QQdSDLOMZuAxLnXAVLY9Fs6JKk6ucv9p3itbz0NtcjMI.tDFloahy.hBlpfK0W3AhqLJ0puOTjWPeiTv2cGOpJkYGTID0DC4aHI9Icgg2bTrACYCvuKev2p8gYbifuMb4EEkE.l1Aq_Ffow3ZM5jVFUrjMb0EMmIa_NtlNtakgFDKucUWgW9Neg- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:26:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:26:53 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49ABB989.8040006@picturepedia.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Votes needed - baby competition to get a vacuum cleaner X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 22:27:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b043a753011023412894 Adorable photo. Voted! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 22:37:34 2009 Received: (qmail 18271 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 21:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 21:37:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887CF430650 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D910D0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:37:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DFB19ED62 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:37:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F4419ED61 for ; 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5 Mar 2009 21:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 21:55:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B444430661 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:55:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72361D0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:55:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5908819EC96 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:55:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FE919EC48 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:55:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wijsmuller@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so138728fxm.14 for ; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:55:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.118.6 with SMTP id t6mr1375689faq.79.1236290144935; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:55:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:55:44 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fb2e6a039ce94fee Message-ID: From: Frank Wijsmuller To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 promotion in Europe X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 22:55:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b04a6d212131234514069 I would like to have the same problem, William ;-) Think I'd put the item with the biggest resale value on a well known advertising or auction site. My guess is that it currently would be the 9-18mm, should fetch =80 350-400? Good luck, Frank. 2009/3/5 Wiliam Wagenaar > Hi people, > > Olympus has a promotion running when buying an E-3. After buying you can > choose to have them send you either: > - ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 9-18mm lens > - ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 50mm macro lens > - ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 25mm pancake lens + FL-36R flash + shoulder > bag > - FL-50R Flash > - SRF-11 Ringflash > - =80200,- cash refund > See http://www.olympus.nl/consumer/208_20639.htm for more info (dutch > site). I believe it is available in the rest of Europe also. > > Quite a neat promotion, isn=92t it? So I finally bought me an E-3 body. > Problem is, I don=92t need or really want either of the items. I am > thinking of selling the item I will get. Anyone interested in either > item and wanting to make an offer? Or also get the E-3 and receive your > promotional bonus. > > Cheers, > > Wiliam > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 23:00:12 2009 Received: (qmail 18863 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 22:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 22:00:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AE6430687 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82F1D0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D781B19ED91 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:59:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA93F19ED99 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:59:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.148]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:59:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so136385qwj.26 for ; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:59:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.91.12 with SMTP id k12mr1292324qcm.66.1236290397748; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:59:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:59:57 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0903051359p3706384ar584d801ad83f6453@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-3 promotion in Europe X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 5 23:00:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b04b6c37531529615919 William, I am interested in the Ringflash is the price is right, I am in US... What are you looking for? 2009/3/5 Wiliam Wagenaar > Hi people, > > Olympus has a promotion running when buying an E-3. After buying you can > choose to have them send you either: > - ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 9-18mm lens > - ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 50mm macro lens > - ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 25mm pancake lens + FL-36R flash + shoulder > bag > - FL-50R Flash > - SRF-11 Ringflash > - =80200,- cash refund > See http://www.olympus.nl/consumer/208_20639.htm for more info (dutch > site). I believe it is available in the rest of Europe also. > > Quite a neat promotion, isn=92t it? So I finally bought me an E-3 body. > Problem is, I don=92t need or really want either of the items. I am > thinking of selling the item I will get. Anyone interested in either > item and wanting to make an offer? Or also get the E-3 and receive your > promotional bonus. > > > -- = // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.rfman.com // b: http://rfman.wordpress.com -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 5 23:37:55 2009 Received: (qmail 3095 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2009 22:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 22:37:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CCC43067D for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB59CD0404A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C4B19EDE8 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 10:17:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b0ea1124371035110158 Heh! I think that Madame would have to acquiesce to spending time talking about cameras, Piers :-) I'll broach the subject in slow time ... But it's a good plan! Chris On 5 Mar 2009, at 17:03, Piers Hemy wrote: > Hmm, sounds like an OM-ceilidh is called for, no? > > Unless you have plans for an airdrop to get to Lochinver, you will > be pretty > much passing by en-route! > > Piers -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 11:23:35 2009 Received: (qmail 17280 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 10:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 10:23:34 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF90430269 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 02:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDAD44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 02:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A882A19DD0E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 02:23:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9729D19DD08 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 02:23:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 02:23:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28179 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 10:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 10:23:20 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49AF6F0D.4020502@interisland.net> References: <49AF6F0D.4020502@interisland.net> Message-Id: <7B54EFF4-68D8-4E76-93CF-86F259528C5D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:23:21 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] End of an era X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 11:23:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b0f9a754641744846740 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0903/09030501leciarsystemdiscont.asp The only film body left is the M7 Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 11:36:26 2009 Received: (qmail 28114 invoked by uid 0); 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Fri, 6 Mar 2009 02:36:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so136090fkq.14 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:36:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.239.10 with SMTP id q10mr983376mur.67.1236335778771; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:36:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7B54EFF4-68D8-4E76-93CF-86F259528C5D@people.net.au> References: <49AF6F0D.4020502@interisland.net> <7B54EFF4-68D8-4E76-93CF-86F259528C5D@people.net.au> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:36:18 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1210f585237257ca Message-ID: <9f07ac840903060236u3174756ex8d0c51c7388fd4d8@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] End of an era X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 11:36:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b0fca972962336821329 Interesting mis-spelling in the url (by dpee) :-) On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0903/09030501leciarsystemdiscont.asp > The only film body left is the M7 > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 11:58:51 2009 Received: (qmail 1055 invoked by uid 0); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 11:58:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b101eb179341702588592 Andrew Fildes wrote: > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0903/09030501leciarsystemdiscont.asp > The only film body left is the M7 > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > Can't say I'm astonished. Have they sold any since Wal Poucher died? D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 12:20:43 2009 Received: (qmail 13980 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 11:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 11:20:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D250A43029E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 03:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBC644004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 03:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B09F19DE83 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 03:20:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A06C19DE47 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 03:20:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 03:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so249286yxh.80 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:20:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.72.209 with SMTP id n17mr720186vcj.44.1236338435906; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:20:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7B54EFF4-68D8-4E76-93CF-86F259528C5D@people.net.au> References: <49AF6F0D.4020502@interisland.net> <7B54EFF4-68D8-4E76-93CF-86F259528C5D@people.net.au> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 03:20:35 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0903060320p45a1be5ajac6a9b75942564a2@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] End of an era X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 12:20:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1070b87054673671140 And MP... On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0903/09030501leciarsystemdiscont.asp > The only film body left is the M7 > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.rfman.com // b: http://rfman.wordpress.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 13:41:02 2009 Received: (qmail 16981 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 12:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 12:41:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08ED7430241 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43EF44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:40:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75B419E075 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:40:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D0119E07D for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:40:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:40:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LfZMC-0002Ea-21 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:40:52 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com><22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net><49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk><5293578A-FDD8-4785-A93F-B579D57A2240@threeshoes.net> <586BDD26-73CD-43C9-A5AF-A39D4A7BAE8E@threeshoes.net> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:40:45 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcmePFUdmj0IVI2DTiiIWFiTnkcN6gACequA In-Reply-To: <586BDD26-73CD-43C9-A5AF-A39D4A7BAE8E@threeshoes.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090305-1, 05/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/9077/Fri Mar 6 02:48:57 2009, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 13:41:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b119de223571023412894 Not necessarily so - you should remind Madame that the RSPB Udale Bay reserve: http://tinyurl.com/bv6qf9 Which is less than a mile away! http://tinyurl.com/bb7gh4 Donald can give directions to what he memorably described as the Socialist Republic of Jemimaville! Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: 06 March 2009 09:17 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South Heh! I think that Madame would have to acquiesce to spending time talking about cameras, Piers :-) I'll broach the subject in slow time ... But it's a good plan! Chris On 5 Mar 2009, at 17:03, Piers Hemy wrote: > Hmm, sounds like an OM-ceilidh is called for, no? > > Unless you have plans for an airdrop to get to Lochinver, you will be > pretty much passing by en-route! > > Piers -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 13:53:59 2009 Received: (qmail 31778 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 12:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 12:53:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0913F430269 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:53:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79D944004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:53:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74AD19E0BA for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:53:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C43D19E0AE for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:53:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:53:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LfZYj-0003rM-3M for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:53:49 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LfZYi-0004S4-M0 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:53:48 +0000 Message-ID: <49B11CF4.3090305@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:54:12 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0903011046n77010bfds9844d5d998ff9f69@mail.gmail.com> <754D8E8C-88B0-4558-868F-AF155B7160AA@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com><22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net><49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk><5293578A-FDD8-4785-A93F-B579D57A2240@threeshoes.net> <586BDD26-73CD-43C9-A5AF-A39D4A7BAE8E@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 13:53:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b11ce71591234514069 Piers Hemy wrote: > Not necessarily so - you should remind Madame that the RSPB Udale Bay > reserve: > http://tinyurl.com/bv6qf9 > > Which is less than a mile away! > http://tinyurl.com/bb7gh4 > > Donald can give directions to what he memorably described as the Socialist > Republic of Jemimaville! > > Piers > > Yes, I may even put in an appearance, if the timing is right... D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 19:27:43 2009 Received: (qmail 1763 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 18:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 18:27:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB84430621 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D8944004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF5419E8F1 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:27:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BBF19E8EB for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:27:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rlovison@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0105.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:27:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0201.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0105.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F3D7309D8 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:40:30 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0201 Received: by dm0201.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 049d56ea) id dm0201.49a745ef.996217 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:27:33 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMZKi9JsWsVcXB/tQIAAAAB,e4a00a000852931eecc57f72fb1fe6dd Message-ID: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:27:36 -0500 From: Richard Lovison User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090305-1, 03/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 19:27:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b16b1f308997927319144 I'm surprised no one has mentioned this article yet: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-10189546-39.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5 12 megapixels sounds good enough to me for a semi-compact camera system. Choosing to focus in the future on dynamic range, color reproduction, and better ISO performance in low light conditions sounds good also. Richard -- Richard Lovison Photography http://www.richardlovison.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 19:41:29 2009 Received: (qmail 11446 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 18:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 18:41:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFF94305F7 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6DD44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:41:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F011834AC03E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:41:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9576A34AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:41:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:41:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Lfez1-0001JQ-M5 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:41:19 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Lfez1-0008NS-5x for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:41:19 +0000 Message-ID: <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:41:44 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 19:41:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b16e59136571342116753 Richard Lovison wrote: > I'm surprised no one has mentioned this article yet: > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-10189546-39.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5 > > 12 megapixels sounds good enough to me for a semi-compact camera system. > Choosing to focus in the future on dynamic range, color reproduction, > and better ISO performance in low light conditions sounds good also. > > Richard Playing Devil's Advocate, Richard, they would say that, wouldn't they? The easy explanation for such a statement is that they can't compete in magapixel terms, so admitting it costs them little. However, it may cost them in marketing terms; like it or not, megapixels sell, and as larger sensors increase in Mp count and decrease in price, they may well suffer. Just playing D's A, as I say. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 21:02:37 2009 Received: (qmail 6300 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 20:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 20:02:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0214430610 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F62A44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F30234AC03E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:02:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC8D34AC056 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:02:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wijsmuller@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so504463bwz.14 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:02:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.105.9 with SMTP id r9mr2366279fao.66.1236369725760; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:02:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:02:05 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: de6a004e1e1ff10e Message-ID: From: Frank Wijsmuller To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 21:02:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1815d287991234514069 Maybe we don't take it too seriously remembering this ;-). *4 mega pixels CCD is good enough for consumer use In the Camedia E-10 press conference on 22 August 2000, the President of Olympus, Mr Masatoshi Kishimoto gave the following remarks. "We will stop the research on high resolution CCD." "We have been continuously developing high quality digital camera with high resolution CCD. But E-10's 4M pixels CCD is able to give very satisfactory results even in enlarged prints. I think this is the end of the high resolution CCD competition." "5M or 6M pixels are too much for consumer use. Operation, design and other added values are more important from now on."* Regards, Frank 2009/3/6 Richard Lovison > I'm surprised no one has mentioned this article yet: > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-10189546-39.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5 > > 12 megapixels sounds good enough to me for a semi-compact camera system. > Choosing to focus in the future on dynamic range, color reproduction, > and better ISO performance in low light conditions sounds good also. > > Richard > -- > Richard Lovison Photography > http://www.richardlovison.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 21:09:36 2009 Received: (qmail 24521 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 20:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 20:09:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A9E43095B for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1AA44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:09:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF1C19ED79 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:09:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7305919ECE4 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:09:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (smtp02.online.nl [194.134.41.32]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63184A1F6 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:09:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:09:23 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:09:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp02.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 21:09:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1830031181702588592 Donald, You are right that megapixels sell. Last month when I took my E-1 with me for a weekend of skiing with some colleagues, it was the first question they asked, "how many magepixels?". Since I took photos wherever and whenever I felt like it, even in a snow storm the second question was something like "Are you sure your camera can take it?" I could say "sure enough!" Last night we had a little reunion and most people were quite surprised to see that my lowly 5MP camera had made the most beautifull photos with best sharpness, colors and contrast, despite op the other cameras having 7,8 or 10 MP. Only fair to say that all other cameras were compacts. This only proves more that most people only think about MP's as a quality indicator for camera's. Most people that photograph as a hobby or profession know better. Consumers are so fixed on megapixels because that has been used as the biggest difference in marketing. We on the list have discussed extensively about many other things that are at least eaqually important. At a certain point adding more magepixels on the same sensor size makes it very difficult to achieve the same image quality, simply because of physics involved. That does not mean that cameras with larger sensors could not have even more megapixels than they have now. As for the question "How much is enough?" I think it could be different for many photographers depending on the use of the printed result. I have seen perfect prints sized 100x120cm coming from the E-1 and E-3. I haven't ever printed that large. The larges I once printed was 60x90cm coming from film. So I gues for me 12 MP is more than enough. At a certain point if you want to print larger and larger you would like to have more megapixels. To keep up the image quality standards you should not go over a certain pixel density. To acchieve that you will ultimately need a bigger sensor. I think we could continue to discuss this matter for weeks, but I am personally very happy that there is a company that dares to say that 12MP is enough. That that company is Olympus is not surprising to me. First of all because Olympus has proven many times not te be affraid to leave the beaten tracks. Also because Olympus is one of the companies using the smallest sensor in the market and thus the first to encounter problems with pixel density. I am still very happy with my E-1 and E-3. Just my 2 cents. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Donald [mailto:d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk] > Verzonden: vrijdag 6 maart 2009 19:42 > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [OM] 12 is enough > > Richard Lovison wrote: > > I'm surprised no one has mentioned this article yet: > > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-10189546- > 39.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5 > > > > 12 megapixels sounds good enough to me for a semi-compact camera system. > > Choosing to focus in the future on dynamic range, color reproduction, > > and better ISO performance in low light conditions sounds good also. > > > > Richard > > Playing Devil's Advocate, Richard, they would say that, wouldn't they? > The easy explanation for such a statement is that they can't compete in > magapixel terms, so admitting it costs them little. > > However, it may cost them in marketing terms; like it or not, megapixels > sell, and as larger sensors increase in Mp count and decrease in price, > they may well suffer. > > Just playing D's A, as I say. > > D. > > -- > I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 21:12:22 2009 Received: (qmail 6603 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 20:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 20:12:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A40430640 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E4544004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1E519ED7E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:12:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BFE19ECC1 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:12:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so524054fxm.14 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:12:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.53.11 with SMTP id b11mr2192150fga.76.1236370333790; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:12:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:12:13 +0000 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 21:12:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b183a6244509347015869 They are right, of course. And the megapixel race has definitely gone far enough. When people ask me how many I've got these days I have to pretend I didn't hear, because they never believe me :-) Tom 2009/3/6 Wiliam Wagenaar > Donald, > > You are right that megapixels sell. Last month when I took my E-1 with > me for a weekend of skiing with some colleagues, it was the first > question they asked, "how many magepixels?". Since I took photos > wherever and whenever I felt like it, even in a snow storm the second > question was something like "Are you sure your camera can take it?" I > could say "sure enough!" > > Last night we had a little reunion and most people were quite surprised > to see that my lowly 5MP camera had made the most beautifull photos with > best sharpness, colors and contrast, despite op the other cameras having > 7,8 or 10 MP. Only fair to say that all other cameras were compacts. > This only proves more that most people only think about MP's as a > quality indicator for camera's. Most people that photograph as a hobby > or profession know better. > > Consumers are so fixed on megapixels because that has been used as the > biggest difference in marketing. We on the list have discussed > extensively about many other things that are at least eaqually > important. At a certain point adding more magepixels on the same sensor > size makes it very difficult to achieve the same image quality, simply > because of physics involved. That does not mean that cameras with larger > sensors could not have even more megapixels than they have now. > > As for the question "How much is enough?" I think it could be different > for many photographers depending on the use of the printed result. I > have seen perfect prints sized 100x120cm coming from the E-1 and E-3. I > haven't ever printed that large. The larges I once printed was 60x90cm > coming from film. So I gues for me 12 MP is more than enough. At a > certain point if you want to print larger and larger you would like to > have more megapixels. To keep up the image quality standards you should > not go over a certain pixel density. To acchieve that you will > ultimately need a bigger sensor. > > I think we could continue to discuss this matter for weeks, but I am > personally very happy that there is a company that dares to say that > 12MP is enough. That that company is Olympus is not surprising to me. > First of all because Olympus has proven many times not te be affraid to > leave the beaten tracks. Also because Olympus is one of the companies > using the smallest sensor in the market and thus the first to encounter > problems with pixel density. I am still very happy with my E-1 and E-3. > > Just my 2 cents. > > Wiliam > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: Donald [mailto:d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk] > > Verzonden: vrijdag 6 maart 2009 19:42 > > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > > Onderwerp: Re: [OM] 12 is enough > > > > Richard Lovison wrote: > > > I'm surprised no one has mentioned this article yet: > > > > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-10189546- > > 39.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5 > > > > > > 12 megapixels sounds good enough to me for a semi-compact camera > system. > > > Choosing to focus in the future on dynamic range, color > reproduction, > > > and better ISO performance in low light conditions sounds good > also. > > > > > > Richard > > > > Playing Devil's Advocate, Richard, they would say that, wouldn't they? > > The easy explanation for such a statement is that they can't compete > in > > magapixel terms, so admitting it costs them little. > > > > However, it may cost them in marketing terms; like it or not, > megapixels > > sell, and as larger sensors increase in Mp count and decrease in > price, > > they may well suffer. > > > > Just playing D's A, as I say. > > > > D. > > > > -- > > I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. > > > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 21:13:54 2009 Received: (qmail 4167 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 20:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 20:13:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD7A43090A for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6B144004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:13:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579D234AC04E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:13:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3949134AC03E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:13:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so641411fgb.36 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:13:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.82.16 with SMTP id f16mr2236154fgb.32.1236370426168; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:13:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:13:46 +0000 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 21:13:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1840224669347015869 Apologies for not remembering to cut out the email address on that last reply... Tom > > 2009/3/6 Wiliam Wagenaar > > Donald, >> >> You are right that megapixels sell. Last month when I took my E-1 with >> me for a weekend of skiing with some colleagues, it was the first >> question they asked, "how many magepixels?". Since I took photos >> wherever and whenever I felt like it, even in a snow storm the second >> question was something like "Are you sure your camera can take it?" I >> could say "sure enough!" >> >> Last night we had a little reunion and most people were quite surprised >> to see that my lowly 5MP camera had made the most beautifull photos with >> best sharpness, colors and contrast, despite op the other cameras having >> 7,8 or 10 MP. Only fair to say that all other cameras were compacts. >> This only proves more that most people only think about MP's as a >> quality indicator for camera's. Most people that photograph as a hobby >> or profession know better. >> >> Consumers are so fixed on megapixels because that has been used as the >> biggest difference in marketing. We on the list have discussed >> extensively about many other things that are at least eaqually >> important. At a certain point adding more magepixels on the same sensor >> size makes it very difficult to achieve the same image quality, simply >> because of physics involved. That does not mean that cameras with larger >> sensors could not have even more megapixels than they have now. >> >> As for the question "How much is enough?" I think it could be different >> for many photographers depending on the use of the printed result. I >> have seen perfect prints sized 100x120cm coming from the E-1 and E-3. I >> haven't ever printed that large. The larges I once printed was 60x90cm >> coming from film. So I gues for me 12 MP is more than enough. At a >> certain point if you want to print larger and larger you would like to >> have more megapixels. To keep up the image quality standards you should >> not go over a certain pixel density. To acchieve that you will >> ultimately need a bigger sensor. >> >> I think we could continue to discuss this matter for weeks, but I am >> personally very happy that there is a company that dares to say that >> 12MP is enough. That that company is Olympus is not surprising to me. >> First of all because Olympus has proven many times not te be affraid to >> leave the beaten tracks. Also because Olympus is one of the companies >> using the smallest sensor in the market and thus the first to encounter >> problems with pixel density. I am still very happy with my E-1 and E-3. >> >> Just my 2 cents. >> >> Wiliam >> >> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> > Van: Donald [mailto:d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk] >> > Verzonden: vrijdag 6 maart 2009 19:42 >> > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >> > Onderwerp: Re: [OM] 12 is enough >> > >> > Richard Lovison wrote: >> > > I'm surprised no one has mentioned this article yet: >> > > >> > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-10189546- >> > 39.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5 >> > > >> > > 12 megapixels sounds good enough to me for a semi-compact camera >> system. >> > > Choosing to focus in the future on dynamic range, color >> reproduction, >> > > and better ISO performance in low light conditions sounds good >> also. >> > > >> > > Richard >> > >> > Playing Devil's Advocate, Richard, they would say that, wouldn't they? >> > The easy explanation for such a statement is that they can't compete >> in >> > magapixel terms, so admitting it costs them little. >> > >> > However, it may cost them in marketing terms; like it or not, >> megapixels >> > sell, and as larger sensors increase in Mp count and decrease in >> price, >> > they may well suffer. >> > >> > Just playing D's A, as I say. >> > >> > D. >> > >> > -- >> > I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. >> > >> > -- >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 21:15:51 2009 Received: (qmail 16540 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 20:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 20:15:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20149430935 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CD444004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C3334AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:15:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114D334AC01E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:15:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp01.online.nl (smtp01.online.nl [194.134.41.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp01.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD6A8E376 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:15:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:15:43 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:15:41 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp01.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 21:15:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b18477290681499373980 Frank Wijsmuller wrote: > Maybe we don't take it too seriously remembering this ;-). > > *4 mega pixels CCD is good enough for consumer use > > In the Camedia E-10 press conference on 22 August 2000, the President of > Olympus, Mr Masatoshi Kishimoto gave the following remarks. > > "We will stop the research on high resolution CCD." > > "We have been continuously developing high quality digital camera with > high > resolution CCD. But E-10's 4M pixels CCD is able to give very satisfactory > results even in enlarged prints. I think this is the end of the high > resolution CCD competition." > > "5M or 6M pixels are too much for consumer use. Operation, design and > other > added values are more important from now on."* > > Regards, Frank > Well, Olympus kept their promise by emphasizing the importance to operation, design and other added values. Wiliam -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 21:26:28 2009 Received: (qmail 24649 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 20:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 20:26:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB88443091E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD5444004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:26:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E42C19EDE6 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:26:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDECD19EDB8 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:26:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f168.google.com (mail-gx0-f168.google.com [209.85.217.168]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so616988gxk.14 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:26:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.96.135 with SMTP id h7mr1040562vcn.87.1236371176712; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:26:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:26:15 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9ddea0b42bfd6124 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 21:26:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b186f4300691023412894 Well, I was going to state: "nothing to see here, move along." On the one hand it honks me off. Give me pixels and more of them! On the other hand, it preserves our investment in cameras. If we've actually finally reached a state of pixel equalibrium (where anything above a certain point gains us little or nothing), then a pro-level camera of sufficient pixel count should hold value over the long run. Instead of upgrading for perceived image-quality improvement, we upgrade for features or other capabilities. I believe that Olympus is actually acknowledging the elephant in the room--the elephant that the industry is fearful of saying anything about: DSLR sales are peaking and will start declining. You'll always have the whacked-out "more-bigger-better" crowd that will spend whatever just to have the shiniest camera at the scenic overlook, but for the majority of consumers AND professionals, the cameras have reached a point where additional investment results in minimal return. This is actually a very dangerous point to be in for the manufacturers. This means that the DSLR technology has reached a maturity and as such the sales decline will be steady and disasterous to any company that doesn't adapt accordingly. That said, I'm hoping my next E-Blob comes in between 16-20MP. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 21:55:00 2009 Received: (qmail 9978 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 20:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 20:54:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804A54308F6 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63CD44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD1534AC04E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:54:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA0A34AC03C for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:54:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:54:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.145] (helo=anti-virus03-08) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Lfh48-0008JM-C1 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:54:44 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Lfh47-0003KZ-Nt for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:54:43 +0000 Message-ID: <49B18DAD.6040100@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:55:09 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 21:55:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b18da4245211529615919 Ken Norton wrote: > > That said, I'm hoping my next E-Blob comes in between 16-20MP. > > AG I doubt it. Even if it did, I certainly couldn't afford it. Can't afford an E-3 as it is. I looked long and hard at a used one, but decided it was too much (UKP800) for me, for the features. Haven't had the chance to test out the E-400 yet, but it's a lovely little package, absolutely tiny. But I'd be scared to get it wet... Features-wise, and cost-wise (which are my tipping-points), Pentax are looking unassailable; and they're overdue an upgrade. If they can do something nice and weathersealed for the price of an E-620, or between it and an E-30... D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 22:16:30 2009 Received: (qmail 19923 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 21:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 21:16:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677B143094F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F1A44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EFA34AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:16:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50BC34AC03C for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:16:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:16:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so338244anc.35 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:16:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.73.6 with SMTP id o6mr1061517vcj.49.1236374180896; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:16:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <49B18DAD.6040100@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <49B18DAD.6040100@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:16:20 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 15aecb9073444c86 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 22:16:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b192ae96351869477228 > > I doubt it. Even if it did, I certainly couldn't afford it. Can't afford > an E-3 as it is. I looked long and hard at a used one, but decided it > was too much (UKP800) for me, for the features. > I'm running on the theory, that based on my experience with the E-1, if I were to purchase a brand new E-Brick (blob, or X) , I can expect it to be viable for me for five or more years. As such, the price is reasonable. I was originally planning to upgrade DSLRs last spring, then this spring. Maybe next spring, or possibly the following one. But my case is unique--the OM system has bought be time. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 22:27:52 2009 Received: (qmail 19168 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 21:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 21:27:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EDD430955 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E2D44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8C334AC01E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:27:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C38534AC03C for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:27:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Lfha5-00013k-0A for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:27:45 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Lfha4-0000Bs-A6 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:27:44 +0000 Message-ID: <49B1956A.2070307@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:28:10 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <49B18DAD.6040100@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 22:27:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1955872281234514069 Ken Norton wrote: >> > But my case is unique--the OM system has bought be time. > > AG Aye, well I'm also doing this strictly for fun, and on a budget that would make you gasp. Actually, having a budget would be nice! My OMs haven't retired, but I'm kind of getting used to having some results to look at almost immediately. Spoiled, or what? ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 22:49:13 2009 Received: (qmail 27709 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 21:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 21:49:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF92C430951 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B6244004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBD934AC04D for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:49:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF46934AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:49:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.156]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so414694yxh.80 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:49:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.77.18 with SMTP id e18mr1062815vck.85.1236376146856; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:49:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <49B1956A.2070307@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <49B18DAD.6040100@blueyonder.co.uk> <49B1956A.2070307@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:49:06 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 50d44d943b01ba26 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 22:49:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b19a59203869347015869 > > My OMs haven't retired, but I'm kind of getting used to having some > results to look at almost immediately. Spoiled, or what? > To steal lingo from the audio industry, for "churn and burn" there is nothing that beats DDD. But ADD sure isn't a bad option when you can afford the initial delay. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 22:53:40 2009 Received: (qmail 2578 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 21:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 21:53:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB22430990 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:53:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2735244004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:53:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32B9361000E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:53:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFAA34AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:53:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23805 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 21:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 21:53:25 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> Message-Id: <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 08:53:28 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 22:53:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b19b6437971023412894 I still think he was right. 12mp compacts are just plain ludicrous. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/03/2009, at 7:02 AM, Frank Wijsmuller wrote: > Maybe we don't take it too seriously remembering this ;-). > > *4 mega pixels CCD is good enough for consumer use > > In the Camedia E-10 press conference on 22 August 2000, the > President of > Olympus, Mr Masatoshi Kishimoto gave the following remarks. > > "We will stop the research on high resolution CCD." > > "We have been continuously developing high quality digital camera > with high > resolution CCD. But E-10's 4M pixels CCD is able to give very > satisfactory > results even in enlarged prints. I think this is the end of the high > resolution CCD competition." > > "5M or 6M pixels are too much for consumer use. Operation, design > and other > added values are more important from now on."* -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 22:55:14 2009 Received: (qmail 5759 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 21:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 21:55:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B2C43092E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A01144004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:55:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2911919EF5E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:55:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB2E19EF5A for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:55:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Lfi0X-00029p-KM for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:55:05 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Lfi0S-00076h-QM for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:55:00 +0000 Message-ID: <49B19BCF.4090703@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:55:27 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <49B18DAD.6040100@blueyonder.co.uk> <49B1956A.2070307@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 22:55:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b19bc2272851023412894 Ken Norton wrote: >> > > > To steal lingo from the audio industry, for "churn and burn" there is > nothing that beats DDD. But ADD sure isn't a bad option when you can afford > the initial delay. > > AG Still looking for it, but there is a nice balance to be had. The E-400 may give additional options; OM with walkaround zoom, E-400 with adapter and maybe a lens, stowed in pockets. Or the OM stowed, the E-400 with 11-22 around the neck. There are some possibilities around a small kit, both film and digital, with two bodies and one or two lenses. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 23:00:34 2009 Received: (qmail 26703 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 22:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 22:00:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C924309A4 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D212644004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC61519EF68 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:00:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C6719EF66 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:00:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jim.timpe@fluke.com whitelisted) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id D5D743C19W for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:00:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:00:25 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:00:26 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] 12 is enough thread-index: AcmepWVebXsUHXFYRZuWjkZR3TMzTwAAWwDA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2009 22:00:26.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[F48079B0:01C99EA6] Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 23:00:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b19d02136281234514069 >But ADD sure isn't a bad option when you can afford the initial delay. >AG As the parent of a diagnosed ADD son, I take issue with this statement. 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Given the main market and what happens to the photos, 12mp is three times what is required; at least! D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 23:15:08 2009 Received: (qmail 32368 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 22:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 22:15:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AF843094F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB1F44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C80219EF93 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:15:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99C919EF91 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:15:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f163.google.com (mail-gx0-f163.google.com [209.85.217.163]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so1278408gxk.14 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:14:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.98.209 with SMTP id r17mr1061594vcn.20.1236377699490; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:14:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:14:59 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fdac0622a2d15710 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 23:15:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1a06c183362336821329 > > >But ADD sure isn't a bad option when you can afford the initial delay. > >AG > > As the parent of a diagnosed ADD son, I take issue with this statement. > Jim 8^) > As somebody who went through childhood without proper diagnosis, I can only apologize to my parents... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 23:19:06 2009 Received: (qmail 29693 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 22:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 22:19:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC435430939 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:19:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B769744004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:18:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924A919EF91 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:18:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C2419EF9A for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:18:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jim.timpe@fluke.com whitelisted) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:18:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 22776A6B3W for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:18:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:18:56 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:18:56 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] 12 is enough thread-index: AcmeqQONxAzcrzhkQnCfYEoRgkerRQAAGZMw From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2009 22:18:56.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A402110:01C99EA9] Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 23:19:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1a15a243761744846740 >> As the parent of a diagnosed ADD son, I take issue with this statement. >> Jim 8^) >As somebody who went through childhood without proper diagnosis, I can only apologize to my parents... >AG And teachers, and siblings, and classmates, and ... 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(218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 22:26:55 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49B19D62.5020800@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> <49B19D62.5020800@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-Id: <9052CC95-C7CC-4B64-873E-727440C14457@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 09:26:58 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 23:27:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1a33c238121591313764 A while back I started collecting a few of the weirder digital cameras from the 1994-99 period. Recently I've been buying 2-4mp cameras off ebay - things like the Oly C-350 I got this week for US$20 in the box with all the bits. I discovered that they make great presents - one friend was annoyed that her mother was emailing her photos and she didn't have a camera to reply - now she does and 3mp is more than enough. They're great gifts for children too - they learn that fones make lousy cameras! If you target the lesser brands like Oly (unpopular because of the xD card), Samsung, Ricoh, Casio, Fuji then there are real bargains out there. Disposable digital! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/03/2009, at 9:02 AM, Donald wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> I still think he was right. >> 12mp compacts are just plain ludicrous. >> >> >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> > > Can't argue with you about compacts, Andrew. Given the main market and > what happens to the photos, 12mp is three times what is required; > at least! > > D. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 23:27:58 2009 Received: (qmail 31228 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 22:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 22:27:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8F143096A for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9B144004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE09919EFA2 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:27:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4CC19EB2D for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:27:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:27:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28548 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 22:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 22:27:44 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7790B6ED-745E-471C-985B-FE2625D0CCD5@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 09:27:47 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 23:27:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1a36e27338512572685 Don't be daft - it's their fault...somehow. :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/03/2009, at 9:14 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > As somebody who went through childhood without proper diagnosis, I > can only > apologize to my parents... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 6 23:45:10 2009 Received: (qmail 23428 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 22:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 22:45:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA454309D1 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:45:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F4444004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F3534AC04E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:45:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B92134AC02D for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:45:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:44:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090306224459.TCOG12344.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:44:59 +0000 Message-Id: <8B6CDEEE-4AFA-424F-AFE4-25A5F394EE29@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:44:57 -0500 References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 6 23:45:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1a776220071946193717 On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Richard Lovison wrote: > I'm surprised no one has mentioned this article yet: > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-10189546-39.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5 I tend to agree that 12 is as many megapixels as almost anyone needs, especially if Olympus is going to exert more energy on such items as Dynamic Range, color fidelity, etc. Actually, 12 is probably too many for most uses and users. As a matter of curiosity, I went back to my unconscionably complex spreadsheets from last season, and discovered that my two best selling photos of 2008 were from low mp cameras. The best seller was taken with the E-1 in 2006, and #2 was taken with a C-5060 is 2004. Next in line came a shot with the E-510. Images from the Nykon D3 are nowhere near the top of the heap, sales wise, but then I've had it just a little more than a year. (Not to mention it's a 12.1mp camera. ) And one or two D3 images are starting to creep up the list. My initial reason for buying the D3, however, was a demand by customers for bigger prints, but with the current economic unpleasantness, such desires are likely to be placed on hold for a while. Truth is, if I weren't as subject to the gee-whiz factor as the next fellow, I likely could do everything I need to do with the E- System with room (and money) left over. I suspect the D3 will do me for quite some time to come, as it seems to make more sense to me to concentrate on acquiring good glass rather than more digital bodies. I even managed to read a review of the new D3x without more than a twinge of "Iwanna!" My switch is made and there's no going back now, but for anyone in doubt, or considering making a switch, I'd say unless your needs are very specific and economically justifiable, Olympus gives as good as you'll ever need. As always, advice worth what you paid for it. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 00:00:17 2009 Received: (qmail 25601 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2009 23:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 23:00:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C49430A19 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4DB44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A01F34AC04E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:00:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2483734AC02D for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:00:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1635 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 22:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 22:59:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8B6CDEEE-4AFA-424F-AFE4-25A5F394EE29@roadrunner.com> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <8B6CDEEE-4AFA-424F-AFE4-25A5F394EE29@roadrunner.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 10:00:00 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 00:00:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1ab01261961585427447 Of coure you want - it is nice. But that little 'x' is the most expensive premium symbol since the Leica red spot. You don't get that much more for it. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/03/2009, at 9:44 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > I even managed to read a review of the new > D3x without more than a twinge of "Iwanna!" -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 01:09:54 2009 Received: (qmail 19242 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 00:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 00:09:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03C14309C1 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:09:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDC744004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500D034AC03E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:09:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFB134AC03C for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:09:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:09:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n2709gHG021718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:09:44 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> <49B19D62.5020800@blueyonder.co.uk> <9052CC95-C7CC-4B64-873E-727440C14457@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <9052CC95-C7CC-4B64-873E-727440C14457@people.net.au> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:09:42 +1100 Message-ID: <000001c99eb9$04b997a0$0e2cc6e0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acmeqq/tByOrq7cfTtCsAt3/3oROMwADhlEw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 01:09:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1bb5211057350615338 So what is the disposal criteria ? Card full, battery flat ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Fildes Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 9:27 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough A while back I started collecting a few of the weirder digital cameras from the 1994-99 period. Recently I've been buying 2-4mp cameras off ebay - things like the Oly C-350 I got this week for US$20 in the box with all the bits. I discovered that they make great presents - one friend was annoyed that her mother was emailing her photos and she didn't have a camera to reply - now she does and 3mp is more than enough. They're great gifts for children too - they learn that fones make lousy cameras! If you target the lesser brands like Oly (unpopular because of the xD card), Samsung, Ricoh, Casio, Fuji then there are real bargains out there. Disposable digital! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 02:28:08 2009 Received: (qmail 14698 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 01:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 01:28:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB750430A06 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C462F44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47A519F11D for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:27:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7001419F11C for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:27:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rlovison@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0110.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0207.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0110.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C85638606 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:47:23 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0207 Received: by dm0207.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 049ac867) id dm0207.49a7ffd5.951959 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:27:19 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMZKi9Jsc13GyrKtAIAAAAB,9dcd7c4ec5260a45ab8b65525bc255fa Message-ID: <49B1CD7C.8060901@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:27:24 -0500 From: Richard Lovison User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090306-0, 03/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 02:28:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1cda849389117217770 Donald wrote: > Playing Devil's Advocate, Richard, they would say that, wouldn't they? > The easy explanation for such a statement is that they can't compete in > magapixel terms, so admitting it costs them little. > > However, it may cost them in marketing terms; like it or not, megapixels > sell, and as larger sensors increase in Mp count and decrease in price, > they may well suffer. Yes, they could suffer but if the suffering becomes unbearable, they can always change their mind since it seems they have in the past as Frank pointed out. ;) I'm happy with the E-3, even at 10MP. For my needs, if they stayed at 12MP it wouldn't be a disappointment or a reason to jump ship. At this point, dynamic range improvement is more of a motivating factor to upgrade than more megapixels. Part of my reason for staying with Olympus had to do with money. If I would have had more available to play with I might have explored a full frame sensor with either Canon or Nikon though I wonder if I would have missed Oly's colors. Richard -- Richard Lovison Photography http://www.richardlovison.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 03:09:40 2009 Received: (qmail 16201 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 02:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 02:09:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A284309F6 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:09:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50F744004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB83E361000E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:09:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E26134AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:09:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 07 Mar 2009 13:09:29 +1100 Message-ID: <300.38bb020053d7b149.005@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:09:23 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <49B1CD7C.8060901@gmail.com> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> <49B1CD7C.8060901@gmail.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.03 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.03.08.1277) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 03:09:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1d764185781470116606 Hi Everyone, Anyone here got or used the Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro ? I'm looking for a good lense to use on my E but I really want something that will give me similiar to what I'm use to on my OM's. And I still dont know why Olympus havent produced something like the 35-80mm F2.8 for the 4/3's system. Surely there must be a market for a lense like that. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Datapath: Look in pile\under desk\in drawers\hall closet\freezer -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 03:29:48 2009 Received: (qmail 30902 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 02:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 02:29:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4942B4309A3 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEB144004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB42B19F17F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:29:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D17719F17D for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:29:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.178]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:29:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so534363ele.8 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:29:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.46.17 with SMTP id h17mr1124031vcf.9.1236392980351; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:29:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <300.38bb020053d7b149.005@comkal.net> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> <49B1CD7C.8060901@gmail.com> <300.38bb020053d7b149.005@comkal.net> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:29:40 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 899355dcfab7d4ab Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 03:29:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1dc1c56091529615919 > > And I still dont know why Olympus havent produced something like > the 35-80mm F2.8 for the 4/3's system. Surely there must be a market > for a lense like that. > Well, I'd say that the 14-54 is close. Bokeh is wrong, but sharpness is there. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 04:03:54 2009 Received: (qmail 8897 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 03:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 03:03:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8FC4309DC for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:03:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A243644004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE7219F1AA for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:03:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22A619F1A4 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:03:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:03:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 07 Mar 2009 14:03:42 +1100 Message-ID: <300.b852090000e4b149.011@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:03:28 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> <49B1CD7C.8060901@gmail.com> <300.38bb020053d7b149.005@comkal.net> <300.38bb020053d7b149.005@comkal.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.03 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.03.08.1277) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 04:03:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1e41a39498512572685 Hi Ken, > > And I still dont know why Olympus havent produced something like > > the 35-80mm F2.8 for the 4/3's system. Surely there must be a market > > for a lense like that. > Well, I'd say that the 14-54 is close. Bokeh is wrong, but sharpness is > there. Also the constant F2.8. I've looked at the Olympus Zuiko 14-35mm f/2.0 SWD but I really need the extra 5mm, which is one of the reasons I prefer the OM 35-80 over the OM 35-70 (plus the other reasons). I find I used that OM lense mainly on 80mm but also being able to zoom out is great for those tight moments when carrying other lenses is inconvenient, of its not practical to swap a lense. Probably why the 35-80 F2.8 was rarely moved off the OM4Ti :-) Add to that the sharpness and bokeh. Sigh, I miss that lense. Photos I've taken just miss that little bit of magic without it. Prick that stole it probably has no appreciation for what they pinched. The criteria for me is that it is a constant F stop, and reachs or includes the 35-80 range of the OM. I'm loath to get the Sigma but I think I'll do some more searching then I probably will get it depending on what I find. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Resistence is useless!!(if less than 1 ohm). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 04:13:39 2009 Received: (qmail 31816 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 03:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 03:13:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521324309D8 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C8644004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C782D34AC02D for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:13:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EF334AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:13:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12789 invoked by uid 504); 7 Mar 2009 03:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@68.157.155.21) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Mar 2009 03:13:28 -0000 Message-ID: <49B1E657.4030203@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:13:27 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090306-0, 03/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 04:13:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1e663239789117217770 We have to recall that the E-10 had a 2/3" sensor which was 58 square mm. A 4/3 sensor has 243 square mm or about 4.2 times as much area. If the pixel density of the E-10 was applied to a 4/3 sensor it would be 16.75 MP. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > I still think he was right. > 12mp compacts are just plain ludicrous. > > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 07/03/2009, at 7:02 AM, Frank Wijsmuller wrote: > >> Maybe we don't take it too seriously remembering this ;-). >> >> *4 mega pixels CCD is good enough for consumer use >> >> In the Camedia E-10 press conference on 22 August 2000, the >> President of >> Olympus, Mr Masatoshi Kishimoto gave the following remarks. >> >> "We will stop the research on high resolution CCD." >> >> "We have been continuously developing high quality digital camera >> with high >> resolution CCD. But E-10's 4M pixels CCD is able to give very >> satisfactory >> results even in enlarged prints. I think this is the end of the high >> resolution CCD competition." >> >> "5M or 6M pixels are too much for consumer use. Operation, design >> and other >> added values are more important from now on."* > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 04:20:35 2009 Received: (qmail 2005 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 03:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 03:20:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F924309E8 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB5944004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E35C34AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:20:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6D834AC01E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:20:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 88894 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2009 03:20:25 -0000 Message-ID: <770660.88855.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7lSeZ5sVM1mu01WqFOzi1ANe_0Tky.5v_ZFMKhac7HmsBHbvrTpArZZCl0m6pk6bhKbaXFxnN6Hg1p75tNWfLb.BBy0fjenhIRjfn5tMgDwI7vHa.6sucYjdpynaY3hyngBp0UUvZhUkf76IQexI.NxoOoYNbJKoUBfJX.g851n2HMXEu08_Hn2CpZa8wFYY537mBDrnN_PwsZs- Received: from [69.204.7.197] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:20:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:20:25 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <300.b852090000e4b149.011@comkal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 04:20:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1e802279751993019900 I have an E mount Sigma 18-50 F2.8. Not a bad lens, the constant F2.8 is nice. It is a little slow in grabbing focus but that might be something with the 420. The N*kon version of the Sigma is quick. Price wise - it was affordable. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 04:34:08 2009 Received: (qmail 21419 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 03:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 03:34:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4554309F9 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873C044004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7F234AC02D for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:34:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E039B34AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:33:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20292 invoked by uid 504); 7 Mar 2009 03:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@68.157.155.21) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Mar 2009 03:33:59 -0000 Message-ID: <49B1EB26.5070102@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:33:58 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> <49B1CD7C.8060901@gmail.com> <300.38bb020053d7b149.005@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090306-0, 03/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 04:34:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1eb3046722336821329 It seems to me that the 12-60/2.8-4 should also be considered as well as the 14-35/2.0 and 35-100/2.0 pair which I think were meant as the real competition for the full frame 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8 pairs from Canikon. Of course, for the price difference between the Oly and Canon glass you could get the full frame body instead. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> And I still dont know why Olympus havent produced something like >> the 35-80mm F2.8 for the 4/3's system. Surely there must be a market >> for a lense like that. >> > > > Well, I'd say that the 14-54 is close. Bokeh is wrong, but sharpness is > there. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 04:41:28 2009 Received: (qmail 30563 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 03:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 03:41:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39DE4309DA for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C54A44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038C819F1EA for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:41:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125FC19F1E9 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:41:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:41:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11415 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2009 03:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 03:41:15 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <000001c99eb9$04b997a0$0e2cc6e0$@com.au> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> <49B19D62.5020800@blueyonder.co.uk> <9052CC95-C7CC-4B64-873E-727440C14457@people.net.au> <000001c99eb9$04b997a0$0e2cc6e0$@com.au> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:41:17 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 04:41:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1ece892382046811720 Ashtrays full. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/03/2009, at 11:09 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > So what is the disposal criteria ? Card full, battery flat ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 04:44:38 2009 Received: (qmail 11708 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 03:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 03:44:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481704309E8 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:44:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912FD44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7520919F1EE for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:44:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D072719EF9F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:44:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.152]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so469707yxh.80 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:44:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.76.144 with SMTP id c16mr1128842vck.17.1236397469963; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:44:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <300.b852090000e4b149.011@comkal.net> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> <49B1CD7C.8060901@gmail.com> <300.38bb020053d7b149.005@comkal.net> <300.b852090000e4b149.011@comkal.net> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:44:29 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 379737212ff917be Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 04:44:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1eda652461234514069 > > Probably why the 35-80 F2.8 was rarely moved off the OM4Ti :-) > Add to that the sharpness and bokeh. Sigh, I miss that lense. > Photos I've taken just miss that little bit of magic without it. > There definitely is a "presence" in photos taken with the 35-80. The bokeh is in a category of its own and the sharpness... oh, that sharpness. It's a bit heavy on the distortion and a bit heavy for the OM gestalt, but some things are very forgivable. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 04:45:18 2009 Received: (qmail 30053 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 03:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 03:45:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF16430999 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:45:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E86B44004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFCF19F1F2 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:45:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3F019F1F0 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:45:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:45:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11651 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2009 03:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 03:45:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49B1EB26.5070102@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> <49B1CD7C.8060901@gmail.com> <300.38bb020053d7b149.005@comkal.net> <49B1EB26.5070102@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:45:09 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 04:45:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1edce23151823421471 The 12-60mm lacks the build quality of the others. It's a lovely lens but not really robust enough for outdoor pro work. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/03/2009, at 2:33 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It seems to me that the 12-60/2.8-4 should also be considered as > well as > the 14-35/2.0 and 35-100/2.0 pair which I think were meant as the real > competition for the full frame 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8 pairs from > Canikon. > > Of course, for the price difference between the Oly and Canon glass > you > could get the full frame body instead. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 05:54:47 2009 Received: (qmail 23466 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 04:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.mail.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.72) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 04:54:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C15D1C40F5E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:54:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA6444004F for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E7D19F272 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:54:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D2319F26C for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:54:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n274sbrp000725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:54:39 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> <49B1CD7C.8060901@gmail.com> <300.38bb020053d7b149.005@comkal.net> <300.b852090000e4b149.011@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:54:37 +1100 Message-ID: <000101c99ee0$d1d9bae0$758d30a0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acme1woE0BUTGgbkSIW8/hAzz296dgACXgHw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 05:54:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b1fe1743431946193717 Seems like we should have a "Zuiko 35-80mm Odyssey", then we could all get to experience the "presence" ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Ken Norton [] There definitely is a "presence" in photos taken with the 35-80. The bokeh is in a category of its own and the sharpness... oh, that sharpness. It's a bit heavy on the distortion and a bit heavy for the OM gestalt, but some things are very forgivable. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 07:01:42 2009 Received: (qmail 11069 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 06:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 06:01:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.62.209.11]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26569A3825 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0345BE18312 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AA3E24127 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:01:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D68364801D for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:50:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801A834AC05C for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:50:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jim.timpe@fluke.com whitelisted) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id A0ABAAB6P2 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:50:10 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C99EE8.93B7008A" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:50:10 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro thread-index: AcmeyccwEmiSuxFYSdOEKLg+/8Pj9wAHfziU References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> <49B16E68.8020005@blueyonder.co.uk> <49B1CD7C.8060901@gmail.com> <300.38bb020053d7b149.005@comkal.net> From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2009 05:50:10.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[93E15830:01C99EE8] Subject: Re: [OM] Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 07:01:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b20dc681691529615919 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C99EE8.93B7008A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have the lens, have used it a fair bit. The speed and constant aperture = were the draws for me. =20 It's pretty much been replaced as the body dweller by a 12-60. The = focusing speed, size, and results of the 12-60 belay it's mid-level = grade placement. =20 Had good success with the Sigma, but the Zuiko is a better fit with the = 4xx/5xx bodies. =20 Now the Sigma 50-500 in 4/3 mount.... Park me anywhere on the Oregon = Coast and I'm happy. =20 Jim -- =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Ian Manners [mailto:oice500@comkal.net] Sent: Fri 3/6/2009 6:09 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro Hi Everyone, Anyone here got or used the Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro ? I'm looking for a good lense to use on my E but I really want something that will give me similiar to what I'm use to on my OM's. And I still dont know why Olympus havent produced something like the 35-80mm F2.8 for the 4/3's system. Surely there must be a market for a lense like that. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Datapath: Look in pile\under desk\in drawers\hall closet\freezer -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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I'll see what Madame has to say ... Chris On 6 Mar 2009, at 12:40, Piers Hemy wrote: > Not necessarily so - you should remind Madame that the RSPB Udale Bay > reserve: > http://tinyurl.com/bv6qf9 > > Which is less than a mile away! > http://tinyurl.com/bb7gh4 > > Donald can give directions to what he memorably described as the > Socialist > Republic of Jemimaville! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 07:34:05 2009 Received: (qmail 1097 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 06:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zoidberg.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.11) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 06:34:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289BAE182E8 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by mx.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A55E24124 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C1534AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:34:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3708734AC01E for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:33:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.78) for ; 07 Mar 2009 17:33:55 +1100 Message-ID: <300.58d90a005215b249.001@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:33:54 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <770660.88855.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <300.b852090000e4b149.011@comkal.net> <770660.88855.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.03 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.03.08.1277) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Sigma Lens 18-50mm F/2.8 EX DC Macro X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 07:34:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b2155d230901470116606 Hi AS, > I have an E mount Sigma 18-50 F2.8. Not a bad lens, the constant F2.8 is nice. It is a little slow in grabbing focus but that might be something with the 420. The N*kon version of the Sigma is quick. Price wise - it was affordable. Just went and checked, the kit lenses with the 510 are a bit slow to grab focus as well, and I have the camera set for focus once then manual focus anyway. Thanks for that info though, something to compare. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 07:59:41 2009 Received: (qmail 11803 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 06:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 06:59:40 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4BDA37C0 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE24DE182E7 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by mx.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75241E24124 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D77719F31D for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:59:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.711 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.711 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4252219F2BA for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:59:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 3 mons 22 days 10:23:37 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-2-41.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.2.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n276xE2n003651 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:59:14 -0200 Message-ID: <49B22953.6080709@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:59:15 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <300.b852090000e4b149.011@comkal.net> <770660.88855.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <300.58d90a005215b249.001@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: <300.58d90a005215b249.001@comkal.net> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?_summer_storm_on_Maldonado_bay_=28sRGB=29=B2?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 07:59:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b21b5d293229117217770 For those who aren't yet tired of looking at a similar photograph, here it is the definitive version. Special thanks to C.H.Ling. Every color looks like the Provia, now - even magenta amount is right :-) Histogram soft-clips in the shadows, think because of large areas in black. Wish I could have lighten the shadows, but Highlight/Shadow introduced some ugly artifacts at the top of my pine tree, whose trunk is now gently curved. small: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3334943548/ large: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3334943548/sizes/o/ Thanks to everyone's encouragement .... Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 12:39:23 2009 Received: (qmail 14835 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 11:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 11:39:22 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449A0A379F for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:39:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4428E18311 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02F5E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A724B19E093 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:39:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238D819E079 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:39:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7409 invoked by uid 504); 7 Mar 2009 11:39:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@68.157.155.21) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Mar 2009 11:39:00 -0000 Message-ID: <49B25CD4.9020207@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 06:39:00 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> <49B1E657.4030203@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49B1E657.4030203@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090306-0, 03/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 12:39:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b25ceb142011342116753 Further related thoughts on pixel density. If a full frame sensor had the same pixel density as 4/3 at 12MP it would be 42.7MP. Conversely, a 4/3 sensor at the same pixel density as a 12MP full frame sensor would be only 3.4MP. So, maybe Canikon isn't through with the pixel race yet at 25MP. On the other hand, maybe the lenses aren't up to any more. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > We have to recall that the E-10 had a 2/3" sensor which was 58 square > mm. A 4/3 sensor has 243 square mm or about 4.2 times as much area. If > the pixel density of the E-10 was applied to a 4/3 sensor it would be > 16.75 MP. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> I still think he was right. >> 12mp compacts are just plain ludicrous. >> >> >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 07/03/2009, at 7:02 AM, Frank Wijsmuller wrote: >> >>> Maybe we don't take it too seriously remembering this ;-). >>> >>> *4 mega pixels CCD is good enough for consumer use >>> >>> In the Camedia E-10 press conference on 22 August 2000, the >>> President of >>> Olympus, Mr Masatoshi Kishimoto gave the following remarks. >>> >>> "We will stop the research on high resolution CCD." >>> >>> "We have been continuously developing high quality digital camera >>> with high >>> resolution CCD. But E-10's 4M pixels CCD is able to give very >>> satisfactory >>> results even in enlarged prints. I think this is the end of the high >>> resolution CCD competition." >>> >>> "5M or 6M pixels are too much for consumer use. Operation, design >>> and other >>> added values are more important from now on."* >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 12:45:35 2009 Received: (qmail 6732 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 11:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 11:45:34 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B125EA37A8 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:45:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF23E18306 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12F6E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE27A19E097 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:45:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55ABA19E05C for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:45:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.147] (helo=anti-virus03-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Lfuxv-0005TK-Mx for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:45:15 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Lfuxv-0000hT-7r for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:45:15 +0000 Message-ID: <49B25E66.6080703@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:45:42 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> <49B1E657.4030203@chucknorcutt.com> <49B25CD4.9020207@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49B25CD4.9020207@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 12:45:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b25e5f116542070262475 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Further related thoughts on pixel density. If a full frame sensor had > the same pixel density as 4/3 at 12MP it would be 42.7MP. Conversely, a > 4/3 sensor at the same pixel density as a 12MP full frame sensor would > be only 3.4MP. So, maybe Canikon isn't through with the pixel race yet > at 25MP. On the other hand, maybe the lenses aren't up to any more. > > Chuck Norcutt Yeah,what gives up first, the sensor or the lens? How far will the physics go? Questions, questions... ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 13:05:09 2009 Received: (qmail 12447 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 12:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 12:05:08 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AADA37B9 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4E6E182E7 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0098DE24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:04:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0E734AC03C for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:04:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D9934AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:04:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17484 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2009 12:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 12:04:43 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49B25CD4.9020207@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> <49B1E657.4030203@chucknorcutt.com> <49B25CD4.9020207@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: <4B14AE7E-B779-4739-B077-62160BD23B54@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 23:04:44 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 13:05:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b262f5167582046811720 There are limits I suppose - I note that someone (where?) suggested that the magnificent 14-24mm f2.8 is a little soft in the corners on the D3x while the D3 doesn't show it. I do know that the bloody thing reveals even the smallest damn mistake I make in focussing. I wonder if that's what's delaying that monster Leica SLR. They can't get the lenses right? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/03/2009, at 10:39 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > On the other hand, maybe the lenses aren't up to any more. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 13:24:04 2009 Received: (qmail 7039 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 12:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 12:24:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F0FE18308 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D9BE24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F46B19E1CC for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:23:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C96619E1CB for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:23:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LfvZN-0002kL-1w for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:23:57 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LfvZM-0006z9-KY for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:23:56 +0000 Message-ID: <49B26778.4070601@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:24:24 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> <49B1E657.4030203@chucknorcutt.com> <49B25CD4.9020207@chucknorcutt.com> <4B14AE7E-B779-4739-B077-62160BD23B54@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <4B14AE7E-B779-4739-B077-62160BD23B54@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 13:24:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b26764142761591313764 Andrew Fildes wrote: > > I wonder if that's what's delaying that monster Leica SLR. They can't > get the lenses right? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > Tsk, tsk. Wash your mouth out with soap... D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 13:48:03 2009 Received: (qmail 25847 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 12:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 12:48:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1811BE182FD for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE21CE24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:47:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AFA34AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:47:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3879034AC01E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:47:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:47:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2117 invoked by uid 504); 7 Mar 2009 12:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090306-0, 03/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 13:48:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b26d03225521744846740 Canyon older wide angles have difficulty handling the corners of even the 12.7MP 5D. There are newer versions of some of the older film era designs that do better. But I've never seen tests on the 25MP bodies. I suspect the corners are still left wanting. Chuck Norcut Donald wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Further related thoughts on pixel density. If a full frame sensor had >> the same pixel density as 4/3 at 12MP it would be 42.7MP. Conversely, a >> 4/3 sensor at the same pixel density as a 12MP full frame sensor would >> be only 3.4MP. So, maybe Canikon isn't through with the pixel race yet >> at 25MP. On the other hand, maybe the lenses aren't up to any more. >> >> Chuck Norcutt > > Yeah,what gives up first, the sensor or the lens? How far will the > physics go? > > Questions, questions... > > ;-) > > D. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 14:38:00 2009 Received: (qmail 6303 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 13:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 13:37:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7560E1830E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 05:37:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE485E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 05:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAF934AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 05:37:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C1134AC01E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 05:37:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 05:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KG500ACU1UYS600@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:37:46 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-222-216-155.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.216.155]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:37:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:37:45 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <254E4B5CF14F489382C151D8DD605FB9@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqMNABgHskkY3tib/2dsb2JhbACBSIhSyhIHg34G X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,318,1233547200"; d="scan'208";a="441284912" References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> <49B1E657.4030203@chucknorcutt.com> <49B25CD4.9020207@chucknorcutt.com> <4B14AE7E-B779-4739-B077-62160BD23B54@people.net.au> <49B26778.4070601@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 14:38:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b278b8163202336821329 Irish Spring is worth a try :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> >> I wonder if that's what's delaying that monster Leica SLR. They can't >> get the lenses right? >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> > > Tsk, tsk. Wash your mouth out with soap... > > D. > > > -- > I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 16:06:57 2009 Received: (qmail 26146 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 15:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 15:06:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C90E182F3 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:06:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BF4E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3A634AC02D for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:06:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D57C34AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:06:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56B1C975C for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:29:36 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:06:47 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 16:06:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b28d9099641499373980 This fine chap came to our garden today and gave himself a dustbath. Pheasants are amazingly thick, I understand, but they look beautiful and this chap posed, momentarily in front of a similarly coloured plant pot. http://bit.ly/16TQmh E-3 with 12-60; and notwithstanding the current discussions about wonderful lenses, and whether or not the 12-60 is hardy enough for Pro use, this combination is excellent. Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 16:32:18 2009 Received: (qmail 18449 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 15:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 15:32:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05E1E1830C for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B97E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDA534AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:32:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B067E34AC01E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:32:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@m93.myzen.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.140]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:32:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LfyVX-0006ET-2W for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:32:11 +0000 Message-ID: <49B2937F.6050403@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:32:15 +0000 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [217.155.39.109] Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 16:32:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b29382140323675314703 Partridges are even thicker... They certainly taste good, pity the season's finished. Martyn Chris Barker wrote: > This fine chap came to our garden today and gave himself a dustbath. > Pheasants are amazingly thick, I understand, but they look beautiful > and this chap posed, momentarily in front of a similarly coloured > plant pot. > > http://bit.ly/16TQmh > > E-3 with 12-60; and notwithstanding the current discussions about > wonderful lenses, and whether or not the 12-60 is hardy enough for Pro > use, this combination is excellent. > > Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 19:12:56 2009 Received: (qmail 19270 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 18:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 18:12:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4A9E182E8 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 10:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE6FE24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 10:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DD419EAB5 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 10:12:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD0A19EAB3 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 10:12:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f163.google.com (mail-gx0-f163.google.com [209.85.217.163]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 10:12:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so1709061gxk.14 for ; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:12:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.81.19 with SMTP id v19mr1200267vck.100.1236449567169; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:12:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 12:12:47 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e22c2c90d3fe6f8f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Vert Lives to See Another Photo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 19:12:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b2b928139811234514069 I was experimenting around with Vert, the faithful old Vivitar 2X teleconverter. Hoping to make ugly photos with it, but it wouldn't cooperate. While experimenting, I took a photo of the back of my couch. Nothing earth-shattering, but interesting non-the-less. The lens was the Zuiko 24/2.8. The conversion was done in RAW THERAPEE, which gave me some nice options and meant I didn't have to go into an editor to accomplish the same tasks. Who says you can't use wide-angle lenses for macro? www.zone-10.com AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 20:41:07 2009 Received: (qmail 12039 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 19:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 19:41:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348D0E18311 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F26E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A8034AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:41:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1722434AC01E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:41:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (gmcgrath@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:41:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from GMcGrath@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.bf0.47c5d994 (30737) for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:40:57 -0500 (EST) From: GMcGrath@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:40:57 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 20:41:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b2cdd3243202336821329 For me, 10 is enough. This thread goes right along with thoughts I've been having lately. Back in the days when we all shot film (I started with an OM-10 in about 1980, moved up to an OM-2S with an OM-3 for a backup, and then became a collector), many serious amateurs and all pros had at least two bodies, in case one died at an inopportune moment or so they could use two films or have two lenses mounted at the same time. I used various compact and superzoom digitals (including a D-40, Stylus 500, C-2100UZ, and Panasonic FZ20) until the E-510 was announced. The combination of an interchangeable-lens SLR with "enough" pixels, in-body IS, and an "amateur" price was what I needed to jump to a DSLR. My E-system now consists of the E-510, five lenses, and an FL-36R flash. I've been very happy with my 510, but now I'm thinking about another body. I'm going on a cruise in a couple of months and would like to have a backup. Or move up a little in the feature category and keep the 510 for a backup. My choices are between the E-520, E-620, and E-30. For me 10 MP is really a high enough resolution. I've made "useable" 8x10 prints from my 2 MP C-2100. The only attraction pure pixel count has for me is in being able to crop more radically. I like the enhancements in the 520 over my 510, but would like to have the swivel LCD of the 620. The move to the 620 has the drawbacks of going to an incompatible battery and larger file storage requirements. I'm particularly perturbed about the different battery in the 620. System compatibility was a hallmark of the OM system from day one. The E-30 has features I'm not interested in, the larger file sizes, and heftier price tag. As I stated earlier, 10 MP is enough for me for the foreseeable future. My ideal camera to move to next would be an "E-530," if Oly would produce a body with the features of the 520 and throw in the swivel LCD. Anybody form Olympus listening? Greg **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 20:50:00 2009 Received: (qmail 1149 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 19:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 19:49:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5156E1830A for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:49:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70E2E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:49:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A4334AC03E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:49:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D2134AC04E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:49:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:49:53 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n27Jnn8u012247 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:49:52 GMT Message-ID: <1773408C1A1A489FAFB8CA13ED0E6641@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:49:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 20:50:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b2cfe8171949117217770 Greg, I also use the E-510, and find it works fine for me. While I have found a few cases where the swivel LCD would have helped me, it's not a deal-breaker. Have you considered finding a user or old-stock E-510 for a backup? They are not expensive, and would allow commonality while waiting for a more attractive option to be announced. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- > For me, 10 is enough. > > This thread goes right along with thoughts I've been having lately. Back > in > the days when we all shot film (I started with an OM-10 in about 1980, > moved > up to an OM-2S with an OM-3 for a backup, and then became a collector), > many > serious amateurs and all pros had at least two bodies, in case one died at > an > inopportune moment or so they could use two films or have two lenses > mounted > at the same time. I used various compact and superzoom digitals > (including a > D-40, Stylus 500, C-2100UZ, and Panasonic FZ20) until the E-510 was > announced. The combination of an interchangeable-lens SLR with "enough" > pixels, > in-body IS, and an "amateur" price was what I needed to jump to a DSLR. > My > E-system now consists of the E-510, five lenses, and an FL-36R flash. > > I've been very happy with my 510, but now I'm thinking about another body. > I'm going on a cruise in a couple of months and would like to have a > backup. > Or move up a little in the feature category and keep the 510 for a > backup. My > choices are between the E-520, E-620, and E-30. For me 10 MP is really a > high > enough resolution. I've made "useable" 8x10 prints from my 2 MP C-2100. > The > only attraction pure pixel count has for me is in being able to crop more > radically. I like the enhancements in the 520 over my 510, but would like > to > have the swivel LCD of the 620. The move to the 620 has the drawbacks of > going > to an incompatible battery and larger file storage requirements. I'm > particularly perturbed about the different battery in the 620. System > compatibility > was a hallmark of the OM system from day one. The E-30 has features I'm > not > interested in, the larger file sizes, and heftier price tag. > > As I stated earlier, 10 MP is enough for me for the foreseeable future. My > ideal camera to move to next would be an "E-530," if Oly would produce a > body > with the features of the 520 and throw in the swivel LCD. > > Anybody form Olympus listening? > > Greg > **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 22:44:01 2009 Received: (qmail 24408 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 21:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 21:44:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23343E182FB for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED1FE24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D9934AC02D for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:43:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460B734AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:43:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ogreve@millennics.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp-1.concepts.nl (smtp-1.concepts.nl [213.197.30.124]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:43:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from 5571ff42.ftth.concepts.nl ([85.113.255.66] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtp-1.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lg4JA-000609-FM for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:43:48 +0100 Message-Id: <59DD74FE-F98B-49C7-81CF-B188C45044B8@millennics.com> From: Olaf Greve To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <19FC9F16-4C54-414A-8B7B-2EE45FC0CB05@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:43:43 +0100 References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com> <499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com> <499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> <9F1FA59B-D65E-429A-844D-7B1BAEFE18AE@millennics.com> <19FC9F16-4C54-414A-8B7B-2EE45FC0CB05@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-Concepts-MailScanner-ID: 1Lg4JA-000609-FM X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: ogreve@millennics.com Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 37 is live! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 22:44:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b2eaa1118441591313764 Hi Chris, >I have managed to leave 2 comments on the same picture. I thought >that the first go had not entered (from some days ago) and have just >entered it again. Somehow when people asked for more comments, I don't think they meant others to leave comments like that. ;) O.k. as per your request, the second one is gone! :) Cheers! Olafo -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 22:50:23 2009 Received: (qmail 31554 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 21:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 21:50:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B52E182F7 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08968E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D911034AC02D for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:50:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29DD34AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:50:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:50:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24545 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2009 21:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 21:50:10 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:50:12 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [SPAM] Re: 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 22:50:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b2ec1f293641585427447 No. Trust me, no. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/03/2009, at 6:40 AM, GMcGrath@aol.com wrote: > Anybody form Olympus listening? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 22:56:02 2009 Received: (qmail 15332 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 21:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 21:56:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECD2E182EB for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE99E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D63519ED9D for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:55:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B5919ED82 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:55:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:55:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c50.47aa5e85 (37556) for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB035-5c7749b2ed582c; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:55:44 -0500 Received: from WEBMAIL-MZ08 (webmail-mz08.sim.aol.com [64.12.222.39]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB036-5c7749b2ed582c; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:55:36 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:55:36 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41757-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by WEBMAIL-MZ08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.222.39) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:55:36 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB6D8694B0A181-17A8-2AD4@WEBMAIL-MZ08.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] 12 is enough, X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 22:56:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b2ed72315721585427447 As Dr. Diffraction (reclusive colleague of Drs. Focus and Flash) is wont to say in FT with MP in the 20 MP range the system is becoming diffraction limited in the F4-F5.6 range. (Table 3- 0.55 microns for yellow-green) http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/resolution.shtml Mike That said, I'm hoping my next E-Blob comes in between 16-20MP. AG -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 23:06:23 2009 Received: (qmail 27923 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 22:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 22:06:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB25E182F2 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:06:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB114E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35B619EDC4 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:06:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235B019ED82 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:06:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.cdd.496205f4 (37556) for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.148]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB035-5c5f49b2efce13f; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:06:13 -0500 Received: from WEBMAIL-MZ08 (webmail-mz08.sim.aol.com [64.12.222.39]) by smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB015-5c5f49b2efce13f; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:06:06 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:06:06 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41757-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by WEBMAIL-MZ08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.222.39) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:06:06 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB6D880C6D4C09-17A8-2B27@WEBMAIL-MZ08.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Print your next image on paper made from Wombat sh*t X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 23:06:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b2efdf67229347015869 AKA don't always lick the envelope. Had heard about Roo poo paper but this is a bit much. The paper is a nice light green during the Spring when they eat lush grass but not so great in the drier seasons. Took a brief Zuiko trip to Tasi on way to a meeting in Cairns, but didn't notice that anything was askew. Andrew would know. http://www.creativepapertas.com.au/news/index.html Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Mar 7 23:54:38 2009 Received: (qmail 32449 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2009 22:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 22:54:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F58E18304 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:54:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F3AE24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6328A34AC02D for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:54:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106B434AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:54:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090307225431.PCBT28145.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:54:31 +0000 Message-Id: <793B9C70-C8E9-416A-89D3-537EB21B8171@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:54:30 -0500 References: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Mar 7 23:54:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b2fb2e186921591313764 On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > This fine chap came to our garden today and gave himself a dustbath. My wife really objects when I give myself a dustbath. She seems to think only soap and water will do. Sigh. I will show her this excellent photo and see if she will change her mind. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 09:38:34 2009 Received: (qmail 25033 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 08:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 08:38:29 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E986A384E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684BDE182E5 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E8AE24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B277119F416 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:35:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E0F19ED24 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:35:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:35:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32711 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 02:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 02:35:24 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2B78A9C2-64A6-4BED-8106-E62D38A06ACD@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:35:25 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Vert Lives to See Another Photo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 09:38:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3840a191931342116753 I too have heard tht the 150mm is much better than the 250mm but then, unfortunately I wouldn't really know. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/03/2009, at 1:24 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > I wish I had one. Too expensive now though. Whats funny to me is > that I see > on internet forums people claiming that the regular 250 is crap and > only the > APO version is worth having (of course it costs 3x as much). I > don't buy it. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 09:38:34 2009 Received: (qmail 14524 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 08:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 08:38:27 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBA5A3879 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59CDE182E5 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4912E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B764019F4F2 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:12:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515A719F4F1 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:12:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.106] (pool-71-110-201-41.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.110.201.41]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id DKV82262 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:12:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <249E3564-123F-495D-9753-E1400D7C0A76@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:12:31 -0800 References: <249E3564-123F-495D-9753-E1400D7C0A76@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 09:38:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3840a74737350615338 Paella looks awfully good! > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/7536823_GeHaV#486781268_LAAZA > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 09:38:35 2009 Received: (qmail 19415 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 08:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 08:38:27 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64101A37E8 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A645E18312 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FD0E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D309934AC02D for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:32:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624ED34AC01E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:32:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29471 invoked by uid 502); 8 Mar 2009 00:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.196.47) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Mar 2009 00:32:56 -0000 Message-ID: <49B31230.5000003@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:32:48 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> <793B9C70-C8E9-416A-89D3-537EB21B8171@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <793B9C70-C8E9-416A-89D3-537EB21B8171@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 09:38:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3840b68461234514069 Bob Whitmire wrote: > > My wife really objects when I give myself a dustbath. She seems to think only soap and water will do. Sigh. I will show her this excellent photo and see if she will change her mind. > Dust helps smother the mites in your feathers while soap & water depletes the protective oils in your feathers. Just let her know how much healthier you will be with dust baths. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 09:38:35 2009 Received: (qmail 26547 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 08:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 08:38:28 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBD4A37EF for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28AE8E182EA for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:31:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B47E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1784919F546 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:31:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C04519F545 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:31:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:31:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610BA46143D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:51:00 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <793B9C70-C8E9-416A-89D3-537EB21B8171@roadrunner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:31:04 +0000 References: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> <793B9C70-C8E9-416A-89D3-537EB21B8171@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 09:38:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3840b193022070262475 Whereas I, clean chap that I am, have a bath or shower once a month, whether I need it or not. :-) Chris On 7 Mar 2009, at 22:54, Bob Whitmire wrote: > On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> This fine chap came to our garden today and gave himself a dustbath. > > My wife really objects when I give myself a dustbath. She seems to > think only soap and water will do. Sigh. I will show her this > excellent photo and see if she will change her mind. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 09:38:36 2009 Received: (qmail 8525 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 08:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 08:38:28 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B690A3816 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:17:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034BAE182E4 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930E2E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C8C19F3B4 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:16:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A5319F3B6 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:16:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl27.gs02.gridserver.com (cl27.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.36]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50466 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl27.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lg7dQ-00031T-KM for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:16:56 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:16:53 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Vert Lives to See Another Photo Thread-Index: Acmfi5B6zztLtwt+Ed6jTAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Vert Lives to See Another Photo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 09:38:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3840c123351257536491 What do you think of it when used as intended, with telephoto lenses to make them longer? I've got a Vivitar 2X converter for Hasselblad! Got it cheap on eBay a while back, for $35. Had to try it for that price. My longest Hasselblad lens is the 150mm. I sometimes wish I had the 250mm, but they go for abut $800 on ebay or KEH most of the time :( I have had this for a while and have not had an excuse to try it. Finally did last week and was pleasantly surprised. I was photographing an old factory and wanted close to the big sign on the roof. I needed to use f22 on the lens (effective exposure of f45) to get the depth of field needed for the 150mm with 2X (effective 300mm lens). The results were sharp even to the extreme corners though the image lacked extreme fine detail. That's to be expected at f45, which is diffraction limited. I read in Photo Techniques magazine several yrs ago that at f45 the theoretical meximum resolution possible was a mere 10 l/mm !! Still the image was not soft looking, it was good. The Hasselblad 250mm lens might have been a bit sharper at that aperture than the 150/2x combo, but I can't afford it and I have the 2x and it worked very well! -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 3/7/09 1:12 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > I was experimenting around with Vert, the faithful old Vivitar 2X > teleconverter. Hoping to make ugly photos with it, but it wouldn't > cooperate. While experimenting, I took a photo of the back of my couch. > Nothing earth-shattering, but interesting non-the-less. The lens was the > Zuiko 24/2.8. > The conversion was done in RAW THERAPEE, which gave me some nice options and > meant I didn't have to go into an editor to accomplish the same tasks. > > Who says you can't use wide-angle lenses for macro? > > www.zone-10.com > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 09:38:36 2009 Received: (qmail 25395 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 08:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 08:38:28 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B753AA3810 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE46E18310 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D27E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:03:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32A434AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:03:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C9E34AC03C for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:03:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:03:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090308020313.LUHH15713.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:03:13 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id QS3C1b0074Z9Gks02S3CCk; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:03:12 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=O7BRmyuVgIoA:10 a=K3eOLG0rAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=xjW31z2RAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=nVKMG8spivKh_ySeVwUA:9 a=q_H95taiXK_UiISSjAUA:7 a=NSSrGTrRfSJUXvhYWXtPQEtMGWwA:4 a=ESEIaOzqGKcA:10 a=BKM11Qb7CVIA:10 a=mw0SDfYLnp8A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=IKds56vswl8A:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <5CA7BDB757714AFF8203DF58C0A88B24@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:03:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Vert Lives to See Another Photo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 09:38:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3840c109617350615338 Oh, Chris, the 250 is sweet. I don't get that much uise of mine,but when I do, it is as good a lens as I've ever used. Don't see how the APO could be better. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Vert Lives to See Another Photo > What do you think of it when used as intended, with telephoto lenses to > make > them longer? > > I've got a Vivitar 2X converter for Hasselblad! Got it cheap on eBay a > while > back, for $35. Had to try it for that price. My longest Hasselblad lens is > the 150mm. I sometimes wish I had the 250mm, but they go for abut $800 on > ebay or KEH most of the time :( > > I have had this for a while and have not had an excuse to try it. Finally > did last week and was pleasantly surprised. I was photographing an old > factory and wanted close to the big sign on the roof. I needed to use f22 > on > the lens (effective exposure of f45) to get the depth of field needed for > the 150mm with 2X (effective 300mm lens). The results were sharp even to > the > extreme corners though the image lacked extreme fine detail. That's to be > expected at f45, which is diffraction limited. I read in Photo Techniques > magazine several yrs ago that at f45 the theoretical meximum resolution > possible was a mere 10 l/mm !! Still the image was not soft looking, it > was > good. The Hasselblad 250mm lens might have been a bit sharper at that > aperture than the 150/2x combo, but I can't afford it and I have the 2x > and > it worked very well! > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-747-3962 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > > On 3/7/09 1:12 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > >> I was experimenting around with Vert, the faithful old Vivitar 2X >> teleconverter. Hoping to make ugly photos with it, but it wouldn't >> cooperate. While experimenting, I took a photo of the back of my couch. >> Nothing earth-shattering, but interesting non-the-less. The lens was >> the >> Zuiko 24/2.8. >> The conversion was done in RAW THERAPEE, which gave me some nice options >> and >> meant I didn't have to go into an editor to accomplish the same tasks. >> >> Who says you can't use wide-angle lenses for macro? >> >> www.zone-10.com >> >> AG > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: 03/06/09 19:17:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 09:55:08 2009 Received: (qmail 29632 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 08:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 08:55:07 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED725A389F for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61A7E182E3 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21703E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F4819F508 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:40:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4316E19F507 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:40:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21922 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 05:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 05:40:08 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49B40CFF.8465.E3B6BD@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <49B40CFF.8465.E3B6BD@bj.caverock.net.nz> Message-Id: <806C95C7-EA60-46C6-9278-F7895AE0FF41@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:40:12 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( E1 & E-510) Second week of autumn 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 09:55:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b387ec317898512572685 Wow - people go swimming in the South Island? Tough bastards. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/03/2009, at 4:22 PM, Brian Swale wrote: > For those of you languishing in the frozen north, take heart. > > Summer should be on its way for you. These summery autumn shots were > taken this morning, just 200 yards from my flat. > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18519&id=1027725807&l=266a1 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 09:55:09 2009 Received: (qmail 28702 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 08:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 08:55:08 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A23A3800 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3ADE182F4 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD09E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:46:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA5C34AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:46:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3538634AC01E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:46:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n286kPYC020758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:46:26 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <249E3564-123F-495D-9753-E1400D7C0A76@frozenlight.eu> <8F7B199B-24FA-468E-A933-C288CE9E955A@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <8F7B199B-24FA-468E-A933-C288CE9E955A@people.net.au> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:46:19 +1100 Message-ID: <000001c99fb9$98835600$c98a0200$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acmfr9R/rJRpO17HRaO35zeg3rmTEwACZn4Q Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 09:55:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b387ed248531023412894 They do look more like yabbies than prawns or shrimp. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Filde Yabbies! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 09:55:09 2009 Received: (qmail 22645 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 08:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 08:55:08 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C69A3821 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:48:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02827E182EE for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:48:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC26E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5AA34AC01E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:48:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3B134AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:48:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n286lxJA024386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:48:00 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> <793B9C70-C8E9-416A-89D3-537EB21B8171@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <793B9C70-C8E9-416A-89D3-537EB21B8171@roadrunner.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:47:55 +1100 Message-ID: <000101c99fb9$d0647360$712d5a20$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acmfd7Cg/MBwQ15OQ421TDtt8dw3XwAQgJMw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 09:55:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b387ed228745368819438 But you're no pheasant Bob ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Bob Whitmire My wife really objects when I give myself a dustbath. She seems to think only soap and water will do. Sigh. I will show her this excellent photo and see if she will change her mind. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 10:11:53 2009 Received: (qmail 2202 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 09:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 09:11:52 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3E7A3837 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44358E18302 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4846CE24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1A334AC01E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:25:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B4C34AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:24:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31868 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 02:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 02:24:53 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <793B9C70-C8E9-416A-89D3-537EB21B8171@roadrunner.com> References: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> <793B9C70-C8E9-416A-89D3-537EB21B8171@roadrunner.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:24:53 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 10:11:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b38bd9262277927319144 For those of us without feathers, a good rub down with dry sand is far more effective. Ask any Bedouin. And I understand that after about a month, the natural skin ecology reasserts itself and the smell goes away. I really must try that some day. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/03/2009, at 9:54 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> This fine chap came to our garden today and gave himself a dustbath. > > My wife really objects when I give myself a dustbath. She seems to > think only soap and water will do. Sigh. I will show her this > excellent photo and see if she will change her mind. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 10:11:54 2009 Received: (qmail 4004 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 09:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 09:11:53 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEFAA37C7 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:51:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BF7E18304 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57780E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAF134AC03C for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:51:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB3B34AC01E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:51:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sandyinchina@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:51:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1649346wfg.26 for ; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:51:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.10.15 with SMTP id n15mr1840329wfi.268.1236480672569; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:51:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8CB6D880C6D4C09-17A8-2B27@WEBMAIL-MZ08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6D880C6D4C09-17A8-2B27@WEBMAIL-MZ08.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:51:12 +0800 Message-ID: From: Sandy Harris To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Print your next image on paper made from Wombat sh*t X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 10:11:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b38bda168091529615919 On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:06 AM, wrote: > AKA don't always lick the envelope. > > ...=A0The paper is a > nice light green during the Spring > when they eat lush grass but ... > > > http://www.creativepapertas.com.au/news/index.html Coffee while you admire the photo? http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/k/kopiluwak.htm -- = Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 10:11:55 2009 Received: (qmail 5911 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 09:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 09:11:54 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7180A3876 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0091E18305 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21491E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB12F19F4DC for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:52:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CDB19F4D3 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:51:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp00.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp00.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from 175.red-81-37-51.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.37.51.175]:58534 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay00.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.40]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1LgAzP-00068e-0s (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:51:51 +0000 Message-Id: <249E3564-123F-495D-9753-E1400D7C0A76@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Picture a Day discussion group , Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:51:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 10:11:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b38bdb132425368819438 Last weekend, I drove up to Valencia with my visiting family to walk around the city. Not much walking due to the horrible weather, but there are some pictures from the magnificent cathedral (amazing how much more interesting the inside of a church becomes when it is raining outside...). There are also some images from the amazing architecture at the City of Arts and Sciences, a complex designed by Valencia's favourite son Santiago Calatrava (my new 18mm lens came in very handy for that purpose): http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/7536823_GeHaV#486781268_LAAZA As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 10:12:02 2009 Received: (qmail 27890 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 09:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 09:12:00 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507DCA3815 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AFEE18304 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2E7E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D84634AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:24:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACA534AC01E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:24:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:24:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50254 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lg8gd-000485-7t for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:24:19 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:24:17 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Vert Lives to See Another Photo Thread-Index: AcmflPrkOWUK3guIEd6frQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <5CA7BDB757714AFF8203DF58C0A88B24@SueHome> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Vert Lives to See Another Photo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 10:12:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b38be2222109347015869 I wish I had one. Too expensive now though. Whats funny to me is that I see on internet forums people claiming that the regular 250 is crap and only the APO version is worth having (of course it costs 3x as much). I don't buy it. I have only used one hasselblad lens that was really crap. I had a 50mm CF Distagon. The older non-FLE version and it SUCKED. My Mamiya 645 55mm lens beat it by 100 miles. The Hasselblad lens was only sharp in the very center. Even half the way out it was so soft that it couldn't resolve any detail. I think I got a bad one. Returned it and got an FLE version which kicks ass! -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 3/7/09 9:03 PM, "Sue Pearce" wrote: > Oh, Chris, the 250 is sweet. I don't get that much uise of mine,but when I > do, it is as good a lens as I've ever used. Don't see how the APO could be > better. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Crawford" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Vert Lives to See Another Photo > > >> What do you think of it when used as intended, with telephoto lenses to >> make >> them longer? >> >> I've got a Vivitar 2X converter for Hasselblad! Got it cheap on eBay a >> while >> back, for $35. Had to try it for that price. My longest Hasselblad lens is >> the 150mm. I sometimes wish I had the 250mm, but they go for abut $800 on >> ebay or KEH most of the time :( >> >> I have had this for a while and have not had an excuse to try it. Finally >> did last week and was pleasantly surprised. I was photographing an old >> factory and wanted close to the big sign on the roof. I needed to use f22 >> on >> the lens (effective exposure of f45) to get the depth of field needed for >> the 150mm with 2X (effective 300mm lens). The results were sharp even to >> the >> extreme corners though the image lacked extreme fine detail. That's to be >> expected at f45, which is diffraction limited. I read in Photo Techniques >> magazine several yrs ago that at f45 the theoretical meximum resolution >> possible was a mere 10 l/mm !! Still the image was not soft looking, it >> was >> good. The Hasselblad 250mm lens might have been a bit sharper at that >> aperture than the 150/2x combo, but I can't afford it and I have the 2x >> and >> it worked very well! >> >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Fine Art Photography >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> 260-747-3962 >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> >> >> On 3/7/09 1:12 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: >> >>> I was experimenting around with Vert, the faithful old Vivitar 2X >>> teleconverter. Hoping to make ugly photos with it, but it wouldn't >>> cooperate. While experimenting, I took a photo of the back of my couch. >>> Nothing earth-shattering, but interesting non-the-less. The lens was >>> the >>> Zuiko 24/2.8. >>> The conversion was done in RAW THERAPEE, which gave me some nice options >>> and >>> meant I didn't have to go into an editor to accomplish the same tasks. >>> >>> Who says you can't use wide-angle lenses for macro? >>> >>> www.zone-10.com >>> >>> AG >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: 03/06/09 > 19:17:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 10:28:28 2009 Received: (qmail 9322 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 09:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 09:28:27 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CABA384F for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C246E182F1 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0E4E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25C434AC03C for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:30:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6A834AC02D for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:30:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jgettis81@earthlink.net whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.175.97.164] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Lg8mR-0001td-Br for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:30:19 -0500 Message-ID: <380-2200930823019683@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:30:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da940fdd35fb486e011f5b82cf2eac01c78ce350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.97.164 Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 10:28:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b38fbc277091234514069 I think that they meant that your sense of smell goes away and dies John > > For those of us without feathers, a good rub down with dry sand is > far more effective. Ask any Bedouin. > And I understand that after about a month, the natural skin ecology > reasserts itself and the smell goes away. I really must try that some > day. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 10:28:28 2009 Received: (qmail 23933 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 09:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 09:28:27 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BA5A389D for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0654E182E8 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06451E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E337819F507 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:36:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C216619F4E6 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:36:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21659 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 05:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 05:36:16 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <249E3564-123F-495D-9753-E1400D7C0A76@frozenlight.eu> Message-Id: <8F7B199B-24FA-468E-A933-C288CE9E955A@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:36:19 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 10:28:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b38fbc168222046811720 Yabbies! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/03/2009, at 4:12 PM, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > Paella looks awfully good! >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/7536823_GeHaV#486781268_LAAZA >> >> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. >> >> Nathan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 10:45:12 2009 Received: (qmail 6577 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 09:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 09:45:11 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBBCA3897 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:23:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F69E182DF for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D3EE24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:23:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820E034AC029 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:23:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C8134AC01E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:23:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.188] (188.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.188]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012CA3D9BC9 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:22:54 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:22:55 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <49B40CFF.8465.E3B6BD@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090306-0, 06/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] ( E1 & E-510) Second week of autumn 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 10:45:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b393a857711823421471 For those of you languishing in the frozen north, take heart. Summer should be on its way for you. These summery autumn shots were taken this morning, just 200 yards from my flat. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18519&id=1027725807&l=266a1 Cheers Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 10:45:12 2009 Received: (qmail 15886 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 09:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 09:45:11 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591D3A384D for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:35:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F100E18310 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854F0E24125 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:34:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D1334AC02D for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:34:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E37D34AC01E for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:34:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32609 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 02:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 02:34:22 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CB6D880C6D4C09-17A8-2B27@WEBMAIL-MZ08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6D880C6D4C09-17A8-2B27@WEBMAIL-MZ08.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: <64530CE9-7A24-4D3F-9DE4-DE03050B9F24@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:34:24 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Print your next image on paper made from Wombat sh*t X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 10:45:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b393a8230131035110158 Now that's just silly, a bit of grandstanding. I mean, the stuff is hard to source in quantity. Dried cowshit would work perfectly well and that's really easy to find in quantity - but it doesn't sound nearly as cute, doesn't have the novelty value and people wouldn't pay through the arse for it. And I'm suspicious - if you'd really been there, you'd know it's 'Tassie' and if you didn't notice anything askew down there, you were either blind, drunk, both or fairly seriously askew yourself. How many heads do you have? Andrew Fildes (who trod in wombat crap just the other day). afildes@people.net.au On 08/03/2009, at 9:06 AM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > AKA don't always lick the envelope. > > Had heard about Roo poo paper but this is a bit much. The paper is a > nice light green during the Spring > when they eat lush grass but not so great in the drier seasons. > Took a brief Zuiko trip to Tasi on way to a meeting in Cairns, but > didn't notice that anything was askew. > Andrew would know. > > > http://www.creativepapertas.com.au/news/index.html > > Mike > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 10:54:26 2009 Received: (qmail 27906 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 09:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 09:54:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72149E18316 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 01:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A189E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 01:54:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C90134AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 01:54:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAD634AC02D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 01:54:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 01:54:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so668274tid.10 for ; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.110.10.16 with SMTP id 16mr6905408tij.59.1236506059611; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:54:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?127.0.0.1? (124-171-141-190.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.141.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w12sm4029333tib.20.2009.03.08.01.54.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:54:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49B395C0.9060002@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:54:08 +1000 From: Marc Lawrence User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> <793B9C70-C8E9-416A-89D3-537EB21B8171@roadrunner.com> <000101c99fb9$d0647360$712d5a20$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <000101c99fb9$d0647360$712d5a20$@com.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 10:54:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b395d2276461234514069 Wayne Harridge wrote: > But you're no pheasant Bob ! Is he, perhaps, a pheasant plucker? Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 12:47:12 2009 Received: (qmail 28115 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 11:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 11:47:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750A8E1830C for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 04:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5394BE24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 04:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C5834AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 04:47:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429D634AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 04:47:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 04:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27973 invoked by uid 504); 8 Mar 2009 11:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Mar 2009 11:47:00 -0000 Message-ID: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 07:46:59 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090307-0, 03/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] JPEG quality loss - some data X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 12:47:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3b04095151823421471 Taken from a note on the PWP forum this morning Chuck Norcutt -------------------------------- I HAVE tested the loss (change) due to successive saves of JPEG files. I opened a JPEG, did no editing and saved it under a new name (generation #1). Then I opened Generation #1 and saved it as Generation #2. Etc. Etc. [all the JPEG saves were at the highest possible quality setting] After up to 3 generations I couldn't visually detect any difference from the original JPEG. I used the COMPOSITE transformation with an "Absolute Difference" setting to compare pixel-by-pixel any differences and could see hardly anything but black in the comparative result -- even with "brightness" highly exaggerated. But when I compared the original with Generation #10 -- WOW what a difference. I could readily detect, visually, significant differences from the original image. When I did an "Absolute Difference" comparison, the differences were so dramatic that you could see an actual image in black and white. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 13:35:22 2009 Received: (qmail 24977 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 12:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 12:35:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92162E182EB for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61A7E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA9034AC02D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:35:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC6E34AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:35:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (grizzledgeezer@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QcSE1b0030EPchoA3cbHku; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:35:17 +0000 Received: from miraclenay7zrg ([71.231.210.19]) by OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QcbG1b0020Rflnr8McbGvx; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:35:17 +0000 Message-ID: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> From: "William Sommerwerck" To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:35:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 13:35:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3bb8a12862070262475 A few years back (a decade, perhaps?), one of the photo magazines reviewed a high-resolution Nikon CoolScan scanner. This model had doubled its linear resolution, going from (about) 2000dpi to 4000dpi. The reveiwer said that, much to his surprise, he could see a slight improvement in the resolution and sharpness of the scanned negatives. This was disheartening. It suggested that a sensor would need an impossibly (or at least impractically) high number of pixels to equal film resolution. A 35mm-sized sensor would have to be 4000x6000 pixels... 24Mp! And that's full-RGB pixels. Most cameras use the Bayer pattern, which only samples the image. So the total needed to equal the CoolScan's resolution would be a staggering 72Mp! In practice, this doesn't seem to be necessary. Given a good lens and sensor -- and good RAW conversion -- a 12Mp Bayer sensor seems to be sufficient, even for 16x24 prints. I have a Canon 5D, and it makes gorgeous photographs, and big enlargements. If you dig through the online reviews, you'll find a few pro photographers suggesting that the 5D's image quality is comparable to medium format (4.5x6). How do you get that out of 12Mp? I have a few theories, but I don't really know. Popular Photography has shown that good digital cameras exceed the resolution of Velvia. (I don't know how they'll compare with Kodak's new ultra-finegram negative material.) There's a practical limit to the lower size of sensor pixels, determined by how far you can amplify their output before noise becomes a problem. Barring some technological breakthrough (which seems unlikely, as we're battling quantum physics), the limit will likely be reached in about five years. There is also a speed battle, with camera companies pushing ISOs to 25600. My guess (and it's wholly speculation) that full-frame Bayer sensors will top out at around 40Mp, with "acceptably low" noise at ISO 25600. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 13:37:33 2009 Received: (qmail 9870 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 12:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 12:37:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB5DE182F1 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7768E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A125834AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:37:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDAC34AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:37:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14284 invoked by uid 504); 8 Mar 2009 12:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Mar 2009 12:37:27 -0000 Message-ID: <49B3BC06.8030702@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:37:26 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090307-0, 03/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 13:37:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3bc0d219871869477228 Compatible OM batteries? Do you mean like the OM-1 and all the others? :-) Chuck Norcutt GMcGrath@aol.com wrote: I'm > particularly perturbed about the different battery in the 620. System compatibility > was a hallmark of the OM system from day one. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 13:43:57 2009 Received: (qmail 2592 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 12:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 12:43:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256B4E1830E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF43E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4663E19E018 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:43:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9785E19E017 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:43:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16864 invoked by uid 504); 8 Mar 2009 12:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Mar 2009 12:43:49 -0000 Message-ID: <49B3BD85.8090701@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:43:49 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB6D8694B0A181-17A8-2AD4@WEBMAIL-MZ08.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB6D8694B0A181-17A8-2AD4@WEBMAIL-MZ08.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090307-0, 03/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough, X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 13:43:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3bd8d174331342116753 Then they can simply make fixed aperture f/4 lenses with no need to deal with messy aperture mechanisms. The new 20 MP sensor will just incorporate an internal electronic shutter to implement the very high shutter speeds required in bright light and also take care of the flash sync problem Drs. Diffraction & Flash usher99@aol.com wrote: > As Dr. Diffraction (reclusive colleague of Drs. Focus and Flash) is > wont to say > in FT with MP in the 20 MP range the system is becoming diffraction > limited in the F4-F5.6 range. > (Table 3- 0.55 microns for yellow-green) > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/resolution.shtml > > Mike > > > > > That said, I'm hoping my next E-Blob comes in between 16-20MP. > > AG > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 13:56:31 2009 Received: (qmail 28544 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 12:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 12:56:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FD6E182FB for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9E3E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B145E34AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:56:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1170E34AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:56:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omls@zuik.net whitelisted) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8235 invoked by uid 504); 8 Mar 2009 12:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (omls@98.118.121.81) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 8 Mar 2009 12:56:21 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090308085607.0111f1d0@zuik.net> Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090308085058.0111d9a8@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:56:09 -0400 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: ws Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 13:56:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3c07f72791257536491 I know 12 is about where I am mentally, even though my body is pushing a lot more. I'd be happy if it the body stopped at 12, although 18 is also good Any more is just down hill. Wayne At 02:27 PM 3/6/2009, you wrote: >I'm surprised no one has mentioned this article yet: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 14:21:01 2009 Received: (qmail 13666 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 13:21:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 13:21:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502CFE182EB for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC5EE24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E916E19E0BC for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B098719E0BB for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sandyinchina@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.246]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so1173820rvb.50 for ; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 06:20:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.12.20 with SMTP id p20mr2043644wfi.169.1236518455472; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 06:20:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B3BD85.8090701@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CB6D8694B0A181-17A8-2AD4@WEBMAIL-MZ08.sysops.aol.com> <49B3BD85.8090701@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:20:55 +0800 Message-ID: From: Sandy Harris To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough, X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 14:21:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3c63d31131529615919 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Then they can simply make fixed aperture f/4 lenses with no need to deal > with messy aperture mechanisms. At very wide angles, fixed focus too. Or better, two focus positions, infin= ity and hyperfocal. This might be a good trade-off. If the resulting lenses we= re sufficiently cheap, sharp and compact, they'd be worthwhile. If Oly introduced one of those tomorrow: say 8 or 10 mm fixed f8, cheap, compact and sharp, I'll wager quite a few here would buy. >=A0The new 20 MP sensor will just incorporate an internal electronic > shutter to implement the very high shutter speeds required in bright light What very high speeds? Sunny 16 gives 1/100th at f16 ASA 100, so 1/1600 @ f4. -- = Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 14:55:36 2009 Received: (qmail 24744 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 13:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 13:55:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE4CE18308 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F25E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A46F19E14A for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:55:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1650519E153 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:55:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KG6003TRXCIXN12@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:55:30 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-8-199.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.199]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:55:30 -0300 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:55:31 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <4C47D2398D4B45DA827F57C9EE0F995C@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgwcAE5rs0kYigjH/2dsb2JhbAAxgRaIUskgB4N+Bg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,324,1233547200"; d="scan'208";a="430071897" References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] don't say please ! 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Processed in 0.101692 secs); 08 Mar 2009 14:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp2.localnet.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 14:08:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 23125 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 14:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-15-63.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.15.63]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Mar 2009 14:08:03 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:14:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200903080914.25418.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] JPEG quality loss - some data X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 15:08:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3d14c235921838542571 On Sunday, March 08, 2009 07:46, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Taken from a note on the PWP forum this morning > > Chuck Norcutt > -------------------------------- > I HAVE tested the loss (change) due to successive saves of JPEG files. > I opened a JPEG, did no editing and saved it under a new name > (generation #1). Then I opened Generation #1 and saved it as > Generation #2. Etc. Etc. [all the JPEG saves were at the highest > possible quality setting] > > After up to 3 generations I couldn't visually detect any difference > from the original JPEG. I used the COMPOSITE transformation with an > "Absolute Difference" setting to compare pixel-by-pixel any > differences and could see hardly anything but black in the comparative > result -- even with "brightness" highly exaggerated. > > But when I compared the original with Generation #10 -- WOW what a > difference. I could readily detect, visually, significant differences > from the original image. When I did an "Absolute Difference" > comparison, the differences were so dramatic that you could see an > actual image in black and white. I find this very interesting. My thought is that doing a very slight edit to the image and then saving it, would be a much better real world test. I may try it later today if I have the time using GIMP to edit and ImageMagick to compare. I don't know if the jpegs algorithms are implimented differently in different software. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 15:20:46 2009 Received: (qmail 28271 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 14:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 14:20:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E052E182E9 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A84E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B0B34AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:20:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF5934AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:20:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22249 invoked by uid 504); 8 Mar 2009 14:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Mar 2009 14:20:38 -0000 Message-ID: <49B3D435.2060701@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:20:37 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB6D8694B0A181-17A8-2AD4@WEBMAIL-MZ08.sysops.aol.com> <49B3BD85.8090701@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090307-0, 03/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough, X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 15:20:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3d43e248702070262475 To accommodate the minimum 25,600 ISO, silly. :-) Dr. ISO Sandy Harris wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Then they can simply make fixed aperture f/4 lenses with no need to deal >> with messy aperture mechanisms. > > At very wide angles, fixed focus too. Or better, two focus positions, infinity > and hyperfocal. This might be a good trade-off. If the resulting lenses were > sufficiently cheap, sharp and compact, they'd be worthwhile. > > If Oly introduced one of those tomorrow: say 8 or 10 mm fixed f8, cheap, > compact and sharp, I'll wager quite a few here would buy. > >> The new 20 MP sensor will just incorporate an internal electronic >> shutter to implement the very high shutter speeds required in bright light > > What very high speeds? Sunny 16 gives 1/100th at f16 ASA 100, so > 1/1600 @ f4. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 15:22:06 2009 Received: (qmail 7675 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 14:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 14:22:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6CCE182E2 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCFDE24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26CE19E21C for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:22:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8F019E20F for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:22:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (gmcgrath@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GMcGrath@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c92.431f92de (42808) for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:21:57 -0400 (EDT) From: GMcGrath@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:21:57 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5003 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 15:22:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3d48e105022070262475 No, I mean like the OM-2 and all the OM bodies that came after :-) In a message dated 3/8/2009 7:37:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com writes: Do you mean like the OM-1 and all the others? :-) **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 16:45:09 2009 Received: (qmail 8013 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 15:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 15:45:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C3BE182E5 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB75E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3C619E3C2 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 16:45:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3e805168349347015869 Normal March weather has returned to Alicante, so this afternoon we went to eat tapas outside at one of the city centre restaurants, and then enjoyed the sights of the city on a sunny Sunday: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#487263687_Za8uL-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 16:47:41 2009 Received: (qmail 19180 invoked by uid 0); 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(VPS 090307-0, 03/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 16:47:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3e89d59491234514069 Some impressive architecture. #10 is very nice but it needs some vertical perspective correction and conversion to B&W. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Last weekend, I drove up to Valencia with my visiting family to walk > around the city. Not much walking due to the horrible weather, but > there are some pictures from the magnificent cathedral (amazing how > much more interesting the inside of a church becomes when it is > raining outside...). There are also some images from the amazing > architecture at the City of Arts and Sciences, a complex designed by > Valencia's favourite son Santiago Calatrava (my new 18mm lens came in > very handy for that purpose): > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/7536823_GeHaV#486781268_LAAZA > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 16:51:06 2009 Received: (qmail 100 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 15:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 15:51:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C9BE182F2 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A24E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA8D34AC02D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:51:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C456F34AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:51:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27927 invoked by uid 504); 8 Mar 2009 15:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Mar 2009 15:51:00 -0000 Message-ID: <49B3E963.7020605@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:50:59 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B40CFF.8465.E3B6BD@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <49B40CFF.8465.E3B6BD@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090307-0, 03/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( E1 & E-510) Second week of autumn 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 16:51:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3e96a226991823421471 I like 1, 5, 6 and 7. B&W may be good for some. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > For those of you languishing in the frozen north, take heart. > > Summer should be on its way for you. These summery autumn shots were > taken this morning, just 200 yards from my flat. > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18519&id=1027725807&l=266a1 > > Cheers > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 17:05:49 2009 Received: (qmail 4734 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 16:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 16:05:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BDEE182E3 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DF1E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C026F34AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AD334AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2122 invoked by uid 504); 8 Mar 2009 16:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Mar 2009 16:05:42 -0000 Message-ID: <49B3ECD5.9050100@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:05:41 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090307-0, 03/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Vert Lives to See Another Photo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 17:05:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3ecdd22671073733319 I think it's actually a bit less than 10 lpm... more like 8 at green/yellow wavelengths. And that's theoretical max. Actual performance will be a bit less. Dr. Diffraction Chris Crawford wrote: I read in Photo Techniques > magazine several yrs ago that at f45 the theoretical meximum resolution > possible was a mere 10 l/mm !! Still the image was not soft looking, it was > good. The Hasselblad 250mm lens might have been a bit sharper at that > aperture than the 150/2x combo, but I can't afford it and I have the 2x and > it worked very well! > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 17:06:31 2009 Received: (qmail 22816 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 16:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 16:06:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D262E18300 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96B0E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49F734AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270EE34AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE53746150A for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:26:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <94707495-BC6C-419F-A1E5-2C5BF2BAFB01@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49B40CFF.8465.E3B6BD@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:06:23 +0000 References: <49B40CFF.8465.E3B6BD@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( E1 & E-510) Second week of autumn 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 17:06:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3ed07239498512572685 That area looks gorgeous, Brian. Thanks for showing us. Chris On 8 Mar 2009, at 05:22, Brian Swale wrote: > For those of you languishing in the frozen north, take heart. > > Summer should be on its way for you. These summery autumn shots were > taken this morning, just 200 yards from my flat. > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18519&id=102 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 17:08:20 2009 Received: (qmail 14159 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 16:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 16:08:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DA7E18303 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B070E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFFF19E46D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:08:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D31419E462 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:08:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090308160815.PAHH18213.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:08:15 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id Qg8D1b00Q4Z9Gks02g8D9y; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:08:14 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Rof5Zp0Py8AA:10 a=TkCkFilEAdMA:10 a=vWHhDdkAnGSwFcvbqyQA:9 a=ObB0gP47eAFb6omx6_z1ugVlc30A:4 a=M15ajoi-1mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <1CAB39C1AB0B4AE9AA86E0153370BE49@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <52065A52-9144-4E49-8ADF-8AB55F2254BF@frozenlight.eu> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:08:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?Nathan=27s_PAD_08/03/2009=3A_Sunday_se=F1orit?= =?iso-8859-1?q?a?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 17:08:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3ed74273141470116606 Nathan, I'm convinced that, thanks to the microchip the government implanted in your brain, beautiful women the world over are able to track your location and appear at just the right time. Lucky you, Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 17:11:48 2009 Received: (qmail 25554 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 16:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 16:11:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED265E18304 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832FAE24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763F834AC02D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:11:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AB334AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:11:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26AE46141B for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:31:37 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <249E3564-123F-495D-9753-E1400D7C0A76@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:11:41 +0000 References: <249E3564-123F-495D-9753-E1400D7C0A76@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 17:11:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3ee44268298512572685 That is very impressive, Nathan. What a place. I know that Ciudad means City, but is the literal translation correct in this instance? I do like the photos of the inside of the cathedral, but what about the exterior? That is surely an impressive building. Chris On 8 Mar 2009, at 04:51, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Last weekend, I drove up to Valencia with my visiting family to walk > around the city. Not much walking due to the horrible weather, but > there are some pictures from the magnificent cathedral (amazing how > much more interesting the inside of a church becomes when it is > raining outside...). There are also some images from the amazing > architecture at the City of Arts and Sciences, a complex designed by > Valencia's favourite son Santiago Calatrava (my new 18mm lens came in > very handy for that purpose): > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/7536823_GeHaV#486781268_LAAZA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 17:17:08 2009 Received: (qmail 24021 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 16:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 16:17:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF49E182E9 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4799E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC0919E4C5 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:17:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731C419E4AC for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:17:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2989E46153B for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:36:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <56DB030B-5674-41FD-9852-5CB1DC58A862@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <59DD74FE-F98B-49C7-81CF-B188C45044B8@millennics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:17:01 +0000 References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com> <499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com> <499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> <9F1FA59B-D65E-429A-844D-7B1BAEFE18AE@millennics.com> <19FC9F16-4C54-414A-8B7B-2EE45FC0CB05@threeshoes.net> <59DD74FE-F98B-49C7-81CF-B188C45044B8@millennics.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] TOPE 37 is live! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 17:17:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3ef84236021470116606 Thanks, Olafo :-) Sorry about that. Cheers Chris On 7 Mar 2009, at 21:43, Olaf Greve wrote: > Hi Chris, > >> I have managed to leave 2 comments on the same picture. I thought >> that the first go had not entered (from some days ago) and have just >> entered it again. > > Somehow when people asked for more comments, I don't think they meant > others to leave comments like that. ;) > > O.k. as per your request, the second one is gone! :) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 17:23:00 2009 Received: (qmail 28767 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 16:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 16:22:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CED1E1830A for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4ACE24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3688D34AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:22:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D6834AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:22:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090308162255.RBIC12344.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:22:55 +0000 Message-Id: <241C9776-07C0-4DB2-A8A1-BA81CFB18E2C@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49B395C0.9060002@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:22:54 -0400 References: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> <793B9C70-C8E9-416A-89D3-537EB21B8171@roadrunner.com> <000101c99fb9$d0647360$712d5a20$@com.au> <49B395C0.9060002@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 17:23:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3f0e4175751993019900 On Mar 8, 2009, at 5:54 AM, Marc Lawrence wrote: > Wayne Harridge wrote: >> But you're no pheasant Bob ! > > Is he, perhaps, a pheasant plucker? Peasant fuc**r? Or pleasant peasant? Gotta quit now . . . -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 17:28:57 2009 Received: (qmail 16571 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 16:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 16:28:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4105FE182EE for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D58E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3D219E52C for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:28:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CC619E501 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:28:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090308162851.ZDNW7442.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:28:51 +0000 Message-Id: <7A3AFBD5-0DC4-4729-AA19-0CB910D3D8A5@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4C47D2398D4B45DA827F57C9EE0F995C@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:28:51 -0400 References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> <4C47D2398D4B45DA827F57C9EE0F995C@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 17:28:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3f24965309347015869 On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:55 AM, John Hudson wrote: > > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090307.wpepper07/BNStory/National/home The negative experiences I've had at the border have all been on the U.S. side. At one crossing I almost asked the border guard what had been the point of me spending 4 years in the Army, if this was the kind of treatment I was going to get from my own government? (I didn't, 'cause the guy was a class-A jerk, and I'm sure he would have shot me.) The Canadians, on the other hand, are almost criminally polite and friendly. But then I haven't crossed in a few years, so I don't know how it's going now. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 17:30:21 2009 Received: (qmail 11504 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 16:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 16:30:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7589E18308 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E3AE24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90B934AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64AE334AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090308163015.WIJI5856.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:30:15 +0000 Message-Id: <717A8716-A638-4B2E-8051-551F9E7AEE72@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <52065A52-9144-4E49-8ADF-8AB55F2254BF@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:30:15 -0400 References: <52065A52-9144-4E49-8ADF-8AB55F2254BF@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?Nathan=27s_PAD_08/03/2009=3A_Sunday_se=F1orit?= =?iso-8859-1?q?a?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 17:30:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3f29d93258512572685 Now _that's_ what I'm talking about. She looks happy to see someone. I presume from the angle of the picture, it wasn't you? --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Normal March weather has returned to Alicante, so this afternoon we > went to eat tapas outside at one of the city centre restaurants, and > then enjoyed the sights of the city on a sunny Sunday: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#487263687_Za8uL-O-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 18:00:06 2009 Received: (qmail 29274 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 17:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 17:00:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755F0E1830F for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750B5E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521DB19E5B6 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:59:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E867419E5A5 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:59:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E7E2D7F845 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:59:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pIWUK0f28z9G for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43182D7F836 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:59:51 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 18:00:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3f996281662070262475 > From: Moose > > Bob Whitmire wrote: >> >> My wife really objects when I give myself a dustbath. She seems to >> think only soap and water will do. Sigh. I will show her this >> excellent photo and see if she will change her mind. > > Just let her know how much healthier you will be with dust baths. In which case, I'm sure she will let you know how much lonelier the couch is than the marital bed. :::: Human vs Yeast: which one has evolved enough to avoid consuming all their resources and dying in their own excrement? :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 18:18:45 2009 Received: (qmail 18780 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 17:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 17:18:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95947E1830F for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8961AE24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0C419E62E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:18:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA98719E621 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:18:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.147] (helo=anti-virus03-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LgMe1-0003Qp-Ej for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:18:33 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LgMe1-0003X1-29 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:18:33 +0000 Message-ID: <49B3FDEB.2040705@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:18:35 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> <4C47D2398D4B45DA827F57C9EE0F995C@hudson> In-Reply-To: <4C47D2398D4B45DA827F57C9EE0F995C@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 18:18:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3fdf5168911073733319 John Hudson wrote: > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090307.wpepper07/BNStory/National/home > > > The guy at the US border when we crossed over in '94 just said 'Citizenships', not even an interrogatory tone, just a flat 'Citizenships'. I hadn't the faintest idea what he meant, I've crossed quite a few borders and always recognised the local expression for 'passport', but this was new. So I said 'Pardon?' After a repeat of this he sent me over to the side building to be interviewed by the 'other guy', the creepy one with eyes like lasers and a cold manner to match. I'd probably get shot these days. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 18:22:26 2009 Received: (qmail 10044 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 17:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 17:22:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F5FE18305 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC82E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2BC819E641 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:22:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C818A19E63F for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:22:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QgbV1b0081GXsucA2hNMDs; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:22:21 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QhNM1b0072Axmu48ThNMrQ; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:22:21 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <249E3564-123F-495D-9753-E1400D7C0A76@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:22:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 18:22:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b3fed2142491529615919 I'm not sure if it still is that way, but in the past, a town was not called a city (ciudad) unless it had a university. For instance, Alcala De Henares is a relatively small place, but because of a university became a ciudad. Alcala is very near to Torrejon Air Base which is near Madrid. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Valencia > That is very impressive, Nathan. What a place. I know that Ciudad > means City, but is the literal translation correct in this instance? > > I do like the photos of the inside of the cathedral, but what about > the exterior? That is surely an impressive building. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 18:30:59 2009 Received: (qmail 18434 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 17:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 17:30:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EACEE182E8 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C135E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2839034AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:30:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE44734AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:30:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QegR1b0041GXsucA1hWrkA; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:30:51 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QhWu1b0082Axmu48ThWuoY; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:30:54 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <249E3564-123F-495D-9753-E1400D7C0A76@frozenlight.eu> <8F7B199B-24FA-468E-A933-C288CE9E955A@people.net.au> <000001c99fb9$98835600$c98a0200$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <000001c99fb9$98835600$c98a0200$@com.au> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:30:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 18:30:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b400d391742046811720 Langostas I do believe. Look to large for Langostinos. Very tasty, as I remember. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Valencia > They do look more like yabbies than prawns or shrimp. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 19:27:02 2009 Received: (qmail 24559 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 18:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 18:27:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DE3E18314 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20427E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A45E34AC02D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:26:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD66134AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:26:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (martlet@mindspring.com whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [209.86.224.34] (helo=elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LgNiB-0001Ua-BX for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:26:55 -0400 Received: from 66.56.2.201 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:26:54 -0400 Message-ID: <17791030.1236536815291.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:26:55 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Scott and Barb To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: b52d80e51acd0da49649176a89d694c0f43c108795ac45077c1172a1c2954e3dfc89a5cc04ece958350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.34 Subject: [OM] ( E1 & E-510) Second week of autumn 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 19:27:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b40df6307422046811720 Brian, I've made three trips to your facebook page to admire these shots both for composition and color. I don't find any indication which were taken with the E1. Can you comment on this and lens choice? Thanks -Scott (Lilburn, Georgia USA) -----Original Message----- >From: Brian Swale >Summer should be on its way for you. These summery autumn shots were >taken this morning, just 200 yards from my flat. > >http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18519&id=1027725807&l=266a1 > >Cheers > >Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 19:27:43 2009 Received: (qmail 21119 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 18:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 18:27:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0D9E182FF for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BC6E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E836519E741 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:27:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7099D19E743 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:27:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (smtp02.online.nl [194.134.41.32]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938B8A1B7 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:27:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:27:25 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:27:22 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <7A3AFBD5-0DC4-4729-AA19-0CB910D3D8A5@roadrunner.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp02.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 19:27:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b40e1f42591869477228 Bob Whitmire wrote: > 'cause the guy was a class-A jerk, and I'm sure he > would have > shot me.) > Aren't the US border guards selected on that specific "feature"? I haven't met a friendly one (or customs for that matter). Will try again this summer. Wiliam -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 19:28:32 2009 Received: (qmail 15366 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 18:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 18:28:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4ECE182E7 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75576E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6921C34AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:28:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75E434AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:28:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d5e.45639593 (42809) for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:28:19 -0400 (EDT) From: USHER99@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:28:19 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5048 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Print your next image on paper made from Wombat sh*t X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 19:28:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b40e50227363675314703 A bit testy today, Andrew? You expect a poor 'Murkin to SPELL a colloquialism correctly 7 years later? We flew business class to Sydney (my trip on my grant) with a very short layover and off to Launceston. CFO was blissfully unaware that I had spent almo st the entire Pacific in the bathroom--really "Bathroom class." She was gold preferred (no longer, sniff) and we had free upgrades, or what I had anticipated as an upgrade. We were able to use the airline lounge at Logan and that's where I must have ingested something quite off. >From the symptom of projectile vomiting, likely contained Staph. exotoxin. The unfortunate passengers seated close to the bathroom glared at me like I had Ebola when I finally emerged. Almost recovered except jetlag, no sleep, by time we reached Tas. Then while in a bit compromised condition had to maneuver the rental car with the stick shift on the wrong side and the expected bizarre perspective driving on the left. They also have a fondness of the accursed rotaries, of which we have way too many here in New England. Perhaps there is indeed an irrational streak down there. The blasted things are traversed the wrong way round as well. Most 'Murkins (very few there) were obvious as they had the cleanest windshields as the wipers and turn signals are on the "wrong" side. I'll admit to one significant screw up. We had hiked down Wineglass Bay with a bunch of OM gear. I think we had some promising images. _http://www.touringtasmania.info/wine_glass_bay.htm_ (http://www.touringtasmania.info/wine_glass_bay.htm) The CFO commented that I was sweating a bit more than expected for a runner on the way up, and fessed up that I was worried about the analog movable sensors. I am quite careful, but it did not catch well and despite it being seemingly around enough times was not advancing. Drat. Should have caught it sooner, and it hasn't happened since. Suppose everyone has stories like that. At least my presentation went well, and the remainder of the trip was great. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 22:16:33 2009 Received: (qmail 32510 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 21:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 21:16:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3429DE1831A for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C496CE24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A853B19EA3E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:16:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C4F19EA1D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:16:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (brian.gray@hvmail.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from hvmail.co.uk (hvmail.co.uk [87.240.129.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from No5.hvmail.co.uk (unverified [87.240.133.9]) by hvmail.co.uk (SurgeMail 3.8k4) with ESMTP id 10855700-1833011 for ; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:16:23 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:10:34 +0000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: Brian Gray Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1236546983_28910@hvmail.co.uk> Subject: [OM] 2Mp is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 22:16:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b435b1291721585427447 G McGrath said Is this not potentially more useful than you make it sound. If one tries to photograph birds without building hides and devoting hours to the project the ability to crop radically must surely, at the very least, enable you to use a significantly shorter focal length lens. A relative was visited by a white guinea fowl and used her Olympus mju1200 to take a grab shot of it on the fence of her back garden. When cropped drastically to isolate the bird, this still showed the feathers of the crest and that it was not an albino. This does not contradict any of the arguments relating to variation of pixel sensitivity etc with pixel size, but as the guinea fowl is not a small bird, suggests the less expert among us could use all the pixels available for smaller targets if the price in money and lost performance were not unacceptable. Or am I missing something? Perhaps I should say that I am still using film with an OM2SP and Zuiko lenses from 24 to 500 mm but anticipate being forced to go digital before long, if only because of the increasing difficulty in getting film processed and prints supplied in an acceptable manner - I have had to change my preferred local outlet twice in the last year as the processors reduced the contents of their 'package'. Brian Gray -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 22:17:53 2009 Received: (qmail 18674 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 21:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 21:17:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129EEE182E0 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F96AE24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80FFA19EA1D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:17:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318EF19EA3D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:17:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090308211747.NPL5856.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:17:47 +0000 Message-Id: <16E82544-E9EA-4C2F-B99C-A53158961422@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:17:45 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 22:17:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4360197389117217770 I believe they are. Like guys who couldn't make it as drill sergeants. But then to be fair, I'm guessing they have a lot of pressure put on them these days. Of course my worst crossing was pre-9/11. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 8, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > Aren't the US border guards selected on that specific "feature"? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 22:53:41 2009 Received: (qmail 29767 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 21:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 21:53:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A82E182E2 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D649E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4983F34AC02D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:53:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B600134AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24451 invoked by uid 504); 8 Mar 2009 21:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Mar 2009 21:53:33 -0000 Message-ID: <49B43E5D.4040202@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:53:33 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> <200903080914.25418.doug9345@localnet.com> In-Reply-To: <200903080914.25418.doug9345@localnet.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090307-0, 03/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] JPEG quality loss - some data X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 22:53:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b43e65199582046811720 Be sure to note that the highest quality level was used. Photoshop defaults to quality #8 vs. the max of 10. I suspect degradation would be apparent earlier. I posted this because, while I've heard of the problem, I've never previously seen anything in the least bit quantitative. Doug wrote: > On Sunday, March 08, 2009 07:46, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Taken from a note on the PWP forum this morning >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> -------------------------------- >> I HAVE tested the loss (change) due to successive saves of JPEG files. >> I opened a JPEG, did no editing and saved it under a new name >> (generation #1). Then I opened Generation #1 and saved it as >> Generation #2. Etc. Etc. [all the JPEG saves were at the highest >> possible quality setting] >> >> After up to 3 generations I couldn't visually detect any difference >> from the original JPEG. I used the COMPOSITE transformation with an >> "Absolute Difference" setting to compare pixel-by-pixel any >> differences and could see hardly anything but black in the comparative >> result -- even with "brightness" highly exaggerated. >> >> But when I compared the original with Generation #10 -- WOW what a >> difference. I could readily detect, visually, significant differences >> from the original image. When I did an "Absolute Difference" >> comparison, the differences were so dramatic that you could see an >> actual image in black and white. > > I find this very interesting. My thought is that doing a very slight edit to > the image and then saving it, would be a much better real world test. I may > try it later today if I have the time using GIMP to edit and ImageMagick to > compare. I don't know if the jpegs algorithms are implimented differently in > different software. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 23:01:00 2009 Received: (qmail 28080 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 22:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 22:00:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA885E182EE for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5D8E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B785A34AC02D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:00:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460FF34AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:00:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28318 invoked by uid 504); 8 Mar 2009 22:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090307-0, 03/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 23:01:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4401c277301470116606 I know of some little Mexican towns along the Texas border called Ciudad xxxxxx. I'm sure they don't meet the university criterion. :-) Chuck Norcutt Paul Laughlin wrote: > I'm not sure if it still is that way, but in the past, a town was not called > a city (ciudad) unless it had a university. For instance, Alcala De Henares > is a relatively small place, but because of a university became a ciudad. > Alcala is very near to Torrejon Air Base which is near Madrid. > Paul in Portland OR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Barker" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Valencia > > >> That is very impressive, Nathan. What a place. I know that Ciudad >> means City, but is the literal translation correct in this instance? >> >> I do like the photos of the inside of the cathedral, but what about >> the exterior? That is surely an impressive building. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 23:13:31 2009 Received: (qmail 28965 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 22:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 22:13:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7B6E1830C for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883F2E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E2519EC88 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:13:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDE219EC6A for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:13:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (frank@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LgRFL-0006GY-AW for ; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:13:23 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:13:13 +0100 Message-ID: References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> <200903080914.25418.doug9345@localnet.com> <49B43E5D.4040202@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49B43E5D.4040202@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] JPEG quality loss - some data X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 23:13:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4430b43231869477228 I am curious to know what the subsequent file sizes of all your 'generations' were, Chuck. After all jpeg is only intended for compressing the original file without to much quality loss for your specific goal. You can always revert to raw, when quality is important. If the files stop getting smaller a further jpeg save would make no sense, or am I wrong here? Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:53:33 -0400, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >Be sure to note that the highest quality level was used. Photoshop >defaults to quality #8 vs. the max of 10. I suspect degradation would >be apparent earlier. I posted this because, while I've heard of the >problem, I've never previously seen anything in the least bit quantitative. > >Doug wrote: >> On Sunday, March 08, 2009 07:46, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> Taken from a note on the PWP forum this morning >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> -------------------------------- >>> I HAVE tested the loss (change) due to successive saves of JPEG files. >>> I opened a JPEG, did no editing and saved it under a new name >>> (generation #1). Then I opened Generation #1 and saved it as >>> Generation #2. Etc. Etc. [all the JPEG saves were at the highest >>> possible quality setting] >>> >>> After up to 3 generations I couldn't visually detect any difference >>> from the original JPEG. I used the COMPOSITE transformation with an >>> "Absolute Difference" setting to compare pixel-by-pixel any >>> differences and could see hardly anything but black in the comparative >>> result -- even with "brightness" highly exaggerated. >>> >>> But when I compared the original with Generation #10 -- WOW what a >>> difference. I could readily detect, visually, significant differences >>> from the original image. When I did an "Absolute Difference" >>> comparison, the differences were so dramatic that you could see an >>> actual image in black and white. >> >> I find this very interesting. My thought is that doing a very slight edit to >> the image and then saving it, would be a much better real world test. I may >> try it later today if I have the time using GIMP to edit and ImageMagick to >> compare. I don't know if the jpegs algorithms are implimented differently in >> different software. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 23:16:39 2009 Received: (qmail 8228 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 22:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 22:16:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97605E18312 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DE0E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3957419ECB2 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:16:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26D519ECB0 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:16:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KG7003K8KJ4JFD0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:16:16 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-8-199.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.199]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:16:08 -0300 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:16:11 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <72C89BEEAABE41CDAFFF3F7040DE4E70@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjEOALrgs0kYigjH/2dsb2JhbACBR4hSx3kHg34G X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,325,1233547200"; d="scan'208";a="478114196" References: <16E82544-E9EA-4C2F-B99C-A53158961422@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 23:16:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b443c7158111869477228 Strangely enough, my wife and I have been through that BC / Washington border south of Vancouver at Blaine, WA many times and have had nothing but the utmost courtesy from the US border guards. All they asked for was citizenship, where are you going and for how long. No paperwork and nothing to show in evidence. .............. but that was pre 9/11. I suppose that short hair, caucasian skin tones, BC licence plates, an absence of nervousness and enthusiasm about visiting Uncle Sam was good enough. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Whitmire" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! >I believe they are. Like guys who couldn't make it as drill sergeants. > But then to be fair, I'm guessing they have a lot of pressure put on > them these days. Of course my worst crossing was pre-9/11. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > >> Aren't the US border guards selected on that specific "feature"? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 23:18:11 2009 Received: (qmail 7453 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 22:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 22:18:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B71E1830A for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA24E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1046C19ECB5 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:18:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D84C19ECB0 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:18:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4569 invoked by uid 504); 8 Mar 2009 22:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Mar 2009 22:18:04 -0000 Message-ID: <49B4441C.8030904@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:18:04 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> <200903080914.25418.doug9345@localnet.com> <49B43E5D.4040202@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090307-0, 03/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] JPEG quality loss - some data X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 23:18:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4442399551869477228 If you re-read the first sentence of my original posting you will see that this was taken from a posting on another group and is not my own test. I shoot in raw and process all pixel brightness adjustments (except final print sharpening) in raw. Chuck Norcutt Frank van Lindert wrote: > I am curious to know what the subsequent file sizes of all your > 'generations' were, Chuck. After all jpeg is only intended for > compressing the original file without to much quality loss for your > specific goal. You can always revert to raw, when quality is > important. > If the files stop getting smaller a further jpeg save would make no > sense, or am I wrong here? > > Frank van Lindert > Utrecht NL. > > > On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:53:33 -0400, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Be sure to note that the highest quality level was used. Photoshop >> defaults to quality #8 vs. the max of 10. I suspect degradation would >> be apparent earlier. I posted this because, while I've heard of the >> problem, I've never previously seen anything in the least bit quantitative. >> >> Doug wrote: >>> On Sunday, March 08, 2009 07:46, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>> Taken from a note on the PWP forum this morning >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> -------------------------------- >>>> I HAVE tested the loss (change) due to successive saves of JPEG files. >>>> I opened a JPEG, did no editing and saved it under a new name >>>> (generation #1). Then I opened Generation #1 and saved it as >>>> Generation #2. Etc. Etc. [all the JPEG saves were at the highest >>>> possible quality setting] >>>> >>>> After up to 3 generations I couldn't visually detect any difference >>>> from the original JPEG. I used the COMPOSITE transformation with an >>>> "Absolute Difference" setting to compare pixel-by-pixel any >>>> differences and could see hardly anything but black in the comparative >>>> result -- even with "brightness" highly exaggerated. >>>> >>>> But when I compared the original with Generation #10 -- WOW what a >>>> difference. I could readily detect, visually, significant differences >>>> from the original image. When I did an "Absolute Difference" >>>> comparison, the differences were so dramatic that you could see an >>>> actual image in black and white. >>> I find this very interesting. My thought is that doing a very slight edit to >>> the image and then saving it, would be a much better real world test. I may >>> try it later today if I have the time using GIMP to edit and ImageMagick to >>> compare. I don't know if the jpegs algorithms are implimented differently in >>> different software. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 23:24:59 2009 Received: (qmail 1836 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 22:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 22:24:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F176CE182E9 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F8FE24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAA134AC02D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:24:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DC334AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:24:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (frank@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LgRQS-0000g1-Bk for ; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:24:52 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:24:42 +0100 Message-ID: References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> <200903080914.25418.doug9345@localnet.com> <49B43E5D.4040202@chucknorcutt.com> <49B4441C.8030904@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49B4441C.8030904@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] JPEG quality loss - some data X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 23:24:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b445bb151305368819438 Sorry, Chuck, for my misunderstanding. I took it from your name above the quote that it was you whos posted in PWP! I should have known better, of course... ;-) Frank. On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:18:04 -0400, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >If you re-read the first sentence of my original posting you will see >that this was taken from a posting on another group and is not my own >test. I shoot in raw and process all pixel brightness adjustments >(except final print sharpening) in raw. > >Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Mar 8 23:57:07 2009 Received: (qmail 19244 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 22:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 22:57:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5593CE1830F for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44895E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F33134AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:57:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D7934AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:57:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QfKd1b0080EPchoA2mx2v9; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:57:02 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Qmx21b00G2Axmu48Mmx2A2; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:57:02 +0000 Message-ID: <2BFBF496B5674B6B9A3E28C7C3231152@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <249E3564-123F-495D-9753-E1400D7C0A76@frozenlight.eu> <49B44011.8060403@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49B44011.8060403@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:57:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Valencia X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Mar 8 23:57:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b44d43134509117217770 Sorry, Chuck. I was speaking about Spain, not Mexico. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Valencia >I know of some little Mexican towns along the Texas border called Ciudad > xxxxxx. I'm sure they don't meet the university criterion. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 00:30:28 2009 Received: (qmail 12168 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 23:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 23:30:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A814E182DF for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8F6E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D93934AC02D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:30:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2997B34AC031 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:30:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rtomcala@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([173.67.40.169]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KG700IRGNY9FD9Q@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:30:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49B454FE.4050503@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:30:06 -0400 From: Rand E User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <16E82544-E9EA-4C2F-B99C-A53158961422@roadrunner.com> In-reply-to: <16E82544-E9EA-4C2F-B99C-A53158961422@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 00:30:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4551318437927319144 My worst crossing also was pre 9-11. I grew up just outside Detroit so I had mad the crossing into Canada close to 100 times and I had never experienced anything but courteous treatment from both the US and Canadian agents. In one particular crossing I was traveling with my wife from Sault Sainte Marie MI into Canada. I was asked the standard questions with no problems until he asked if I had any firearms in the vehicle. I replied that I didn't. He then wanted to know if I owned any firearms, I told him I didn't think that that had anything to do with the situation. They then unloaded and searched my vehicle and all our luggage. This was on the Canadian side. I just chalked it up to a bad day for both of us. Rand E Bob Whitmire wrote: > I believe they are. Like guys who couldn't make it as drill sergeants. > But then to be fair, I'm guessing they have a lot of pressure put on > them these days. Of course my worst crossing was pre-9/11. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > > >> Aren't the US border guards selected on that specific "feature"? >> > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 00:33:12 2009 Received: (qmail 19831 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2009 23:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 23:33:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1348BE18308 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D92E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D8519EED3 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:33:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8755B19EECD for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:33:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so801676ywk.80 for ; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:33:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.83.149 with SMTP id f21mr1412740vcl.34.1236555184864; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:33:04 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 55e84bed3af856f9 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 00:33:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b455b8210651529615919 Shameless Plug Alert: Zone-10 has published an extensive product review of the new Olympus E-30. There's stuff in there that you'll not find in other reviews! Khen must have steroid-driven typing fingers. Also, we have rearranged the product reviews and they are now listed in the left-hand column for easy finding. http://www.zone-10.com Thank you AG (Chief Cook and Bottle Washer) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 01:21:45 2009 Received: (qmail 5098 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 00:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 00:21:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677B6E1830A for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F9AE24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BA234AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:21:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2406E34AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:21:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12022 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2009 00:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 00:21:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090308085607.0111f1d0@zuik.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090308085607.0111f1d0@zuik.net> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:21:34 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 01:21:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4611994321744846740 12? Odd choice. I found it horrible. I've concluded that as the brain only stops developing at 23yo and that while we replace the components of brain cells, we do not actually replace the cells at all, my brain is approximately 23 years old. Fixed. And that was a pretty damn good year for me as well - I can actually remember quite a few bits of it. Consequently I'm most disappointed that the rest of me has moved on in the most inappropriate directions and can best be described as betraying my ambitions on an almost daily basis. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/03/2009, at 11:56 PM, ws wrote: > I know 12 is about where I am mentally, even though my body is > pushing a lot more. I'd be happy if it the body stopped at 12, > although 18 is also good Any more is just down hill. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 03:21:14 2009 Received: (qmail 26883 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 02:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 02:21:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96C4E18312 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5727E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA26F34AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:21:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBA234AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:21:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.43] ([72.79.3.56]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KG70025VVV2P1YU@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:21:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49B47D0D.1070407@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:21:01 -0400 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> <4C47D2398D4B45DA827F57C9EE0F995C@hudson> In-reply-to: <4C47D2398D4B45DA827F57C9EE0F995C@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 03:21:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b47d1a187171234514069 John Hudson wrote: > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090307.wpepper07/BNStory/National/home > Maybe it's different in the East. I've crossed the US-Canada border (via NY, NH, & ME) about 5 to 10 times per year for the last ~12 years. I've never had a negative experience going either direction. It's usually quite pleasant. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 03:49:46 2009 Received: (qmail 9386 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 02:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 02:49:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772E9E18305 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE44E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1429C19F06A for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:49:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9113919F05B for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:49:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090309024938.JBTD23750.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:49:38 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Qqpe1b0044Z9Gks02qpe4E; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:49:38 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tWNXAd5RUfV5eiJ49BgA:9 a=fxpNJsipWDizIRfoRwq9bseDccgA:4 a=QcA7-qHrZH4A:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <36883AF0B1894FDE975D2CBD9D7CE287@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com><4C47D2398D4B45DA827F57C9EE0F995C@hudson> <7A3AFBD5-0DC4-4729-AA19-0CB910D3D8A5@roadrunner.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:49:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 03:49:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b483ca139761744846740 I, too, have felt that our people, especially the TSA baggage people are the most rude. I have found the Brits, the Italians, the Spaniards and the Portugese to be most polite. The baggage people in Amsterdam have been exceptional. I can't say so much for the Germans. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 04:48:00 2009 Received: (qmail 12838 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 03:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 03:47:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9FAE182EB for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5998BE24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458DC34AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:47:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC9834AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:47:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12047 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2009 03:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 03:47:47 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <3B5FB7AF-AC88-4029-8D06-543D170BAEBE@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:47:49 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Print your next image on paper made from Wombat sh*t X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 04:48:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4917026505368819438 Damn right - staying up nights watching the cricket (Johnson takes three S'African wickets and puts two other batsmen in hospital...we're baaaaack!) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/03/2009, at 5:28 AM, USHER99@aol.com wrote: > A bit testy today, Andrew? You expect a poor 'Murkin to SPELL a > colloquialism correctly 7 years later? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 04:57:54 2009 Received: (qmail 11623 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 03:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 03:57:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72966E182FF for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58F9E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF1919F0CC for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:57:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51FB19F07E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:57:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13800 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2009 03:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 03:57:42 -0000 In-Reply-To: <36883AF0B1894FDE975D2CBD9D7CE287@SueHome> References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com><4C47D2398D4B45DA827F57C9EE0F995C@hudson> <7A3AFBD5-0DC4-4729-AA19-0CB910D3D8A5@roadrunner.com> <36883AF0B1894FDE975D2CBD9D7CE287@SueHome> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:57:43 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 04:57:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b493c2248654673671140 I'm sure the Australian first strike greeters would be polite but they're too busy laughing at you all. As for the Germans - I remember my surprise in the the seventies crossing from East to West Germany by train in Berlin and discovering that the Eastern military were polite, friendly and cheerful at 1am while the Western were surly and suspicious. So much for the propaganda. In fact it was on that Trans-Siberian trip that one of our group reported a camera stolen. At the next stop paramilitary police came on board, went right through it, found the camera secreted in a toilet and apologised profusely for their larcenous countryman. Now that WAS a surprise. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/03/2009, at 1:49 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > I, too, have felt that our people, especially the TSA baggage > people are the > most rude. I have found the Brits, the Italians, the Spaniards and the > Portugese to be most polite. The baggage people in Amsterdam have been > exceptional. > > I can't say so much for the Germans. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 07:10:31 2009 Received: (qmail 18266 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 06:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 06:10:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599DAE1832B for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55608E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381C234AC01E for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:10:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6CD34AC029 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:10:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.46] (46.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.46]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE883D9D48 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:10:17 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:10:19 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <49B5699B.30067.2113098@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090308-0, 08/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] ( E-1, E-510) White balance lens cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 07:10:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4b2d74037927319144 I bought one of these on-line recently. Not one of the best known brand products; this one is Mennon brand, made 'you guess where' and about 1/5th the price of the Expodisk? version. I hope to get more consistent and accurate digital exposures. Anybody feel like commenting? Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 07:10:31 2009 Received: (qmail 22772 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 06:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 06:10:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA0BE182E9 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5616DE24126 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C8919F1D9 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:10:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD79C19F1C1 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:10:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.46] (46.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.46]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942B63D9E81 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:10:18 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:10:19 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <49B5699B.14938.211324D@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090308-0, 08/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] (OM) Website on the way I hope X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 07:10:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4b2d7137934673671140 Hi all, For the last week or so I have been working on a new web-site, solely for my photography. Here's a screen capture of the front page (as it is now) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18623&id=1027725807&l=7ab51 Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 07:52:02 2009 Received: (qmail 7811 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 06:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 06:52:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649BFE18300 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCE2E24125 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CA519F21D for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:51:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C4C19F214 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:51:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF68C9700 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 07:14:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:51:54 +0000 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090308085607.0111f1d0@zuik.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 07:52:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4bc9258311993019900 I agree, Andrew. The age of 23 was a good year for me as well. Here's a shot of me at the end of an exciting circumnavigation of Anglesey. http://threeshoes-photo.blogspot.com/ Mind you, 25 was even better ... Chris On 9 Mar 2009, at 00:21, Andrew Fildes wrote: > 12? Odd choice. I found it horrible. > I've concluded that as the brain only stops developing at 23yo and > that while we replace the components of brain cells, we do not > actually replace the cells at all, my brain is approximately 23 years > old. Fixed. And that was a pretty damn good year for me as well - I > can actually remember quite a few bits of it. > Consequently I'm most disappointed that the rest of me has moved on > in the most inappropriate directions and can best be described as > betraying my ambitions on an almost daily basis. > Andrew Fildes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 09:24:45 2009 Received: (qmail 8922 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 08:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 08:24:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7712E1831B for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5F0E24125 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF6A19DD33 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:24:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D3E19DD14 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:24:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (doug9345@localnet.com whitelisted) Received: from extsmtp3.localnet.com (extsmtp3.localnet.com [207.251.201.55]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8029 invoked by uid 1011); 9 Mar 2009 08:24:37 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bolster (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 0.374806 secs); 09 Mar 2009 08:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp3.localnet.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 08:24:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 4118 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2009 08:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-13-137.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.13.137]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Mar 2009 08:24:36 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 04:24:49 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> <49B43E5D.4040202@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200903090424.49905.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] JPEG quality loss - some data X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 09:24:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4d24d138521234514069 On Sunday, March 08, 2009 18:13, Frank van Lindert wrote: > I am curious to know what the subsequent file sizes of all your > 'generations' were, Chuck. After all jpeg is only intended for > compressing the original file without to much quality loss for your > specific goal. You can always revert to raw, when quality is > important. > If the files stop getting smaller a further jpeg save would make no > sense, or am I wrong here? > > Frank van Lindert > Utrecht NL. > > Chuck posted a note copied from the PWP forum and it got my curiosity up about the subject. I did some experimenting and posted some of it to the web space that comes with my ISP. http://members.localnet.com/~doug9345/JPEG_Compare.html I left the pictures fairly large and generally not highly compressed. I didn't want to and any other sources of changes than the ones I was experimenting with. It loads fairly slow on dial-up. If it gives enough people loading issues I'll reduce the size of the pictures. It will take me about 3 more passes to get rid of the typos, spelling and grammer mistakes. To answer your question repeated saving isn't to reduce file size but a by product of working on a photo, saving it, and then coming back, working on it some more and saving it again. How the file size varied from one save to the next depended on the quality of the save. For my image of corn at 1000 x 800 pixels the tif is 6.7MB,and the png with maximum compresion 2.3 MB. the best quality jpeg is 694.7KB. After 9 more saves it is 622.4KB. On the other had with the quality set to 50 on a scale of 100, the first save after the highest quality one is 78.2KB. It the climbs to 78.5 on the final save. Using bzip2 to compress the tiff gave me a file size of 1.6MB. The png, compressed the same way, was 1.5MB. The high quality jpeg increased in size 694.7KB to 695.8KB when compressed. This is normal behavior for already compressed files. I hope this answers your question. -Doug -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 09:37:38 2009 Received: (qmail 22540 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 08:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 08:37:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B6AE182FD for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0EFE24125 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACDE19DD7D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:37:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD7119DD77 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:37:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (mail.bbp.ch [193.73.134.71]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ronald.localdomain (unverified) by mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.3.2) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:37:23 +0100 Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (unknown [172.22.111.60]) by ronald.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710C85D04 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:37:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49B4D549.3000308@picturepedia.org> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:37:29 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com><4C47D2398D4B45DA827F57C9EE0F995C@hudson> <7A3AFBD5-0DC4-4729-AA19-0CB910D3D8A5@roadrunner.com> <36883AF0B1894FDE975D2CBD9D7CE287@SueHome> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 09:37:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4d552287911946193717 In 1985 I went to USSR with my brother for a holiday, In those days it was quite an adventure and there was lots of propoganda going on by both sides, as I found when I took a suitcase full of levi's only to find out they had moved to trainers and digital watches ;-( anyway I digress, when it came time to return home we were given strict instructions that we were not allowed to take currency out with us. I decided that I would also like a souvenir of a glass from one of the hotels we had stayed in, the glass was different in that the rim was just literally cut sharp even, not rounded like western glasses, anyway I packed this and some roubles into my brothers bag ( I had told him) and we headed for the airport, as we approached the armed border guards the tour rep reminded us that we mustn't leave with any roubles and they would now do a very thorough search so my brother handed me the bag and said "you can carry this through" - I was only 25 and didn't fancy a life in the saltmine, but I took the bag and nervously approached the passport control, only to be waved through without so much as a glance, those naughty ruskies had been winding us up. while we are on the subject of that holiday another clever thing those ruskies did was with flights, when you asked how long it would take they would say 4 hours, when you got your ticket it would say 3.5 hours, then when you boarded the captain said flying time would be 3 hours and then the flight actually only took 2.5 hours, clever bit of psycology that !! > toilet and apologised profusely for their larcenous countryman. Now > that WAS a surprise. > Andrew Fildes > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 10:41:40 2009 Received: (qmail 22689 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 09:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 09:41:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9BFE182DF for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05418E24125 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF1A19DF49 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:41:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD0419DF43 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:41:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5956 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2009 09:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 09:41:27 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090308085607.0111f1d0@zuik.net> <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> Message-Id: <3B9AE05C-12F2-46B5-B80E-A8568E504645@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:41:27 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 10:41:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4e454313502046811720 Who's a clever boy then? At 23 I was circumnavigating London at high speed as the whole sixties thing was spiralling out of control - I think I had a great time. The flashbacks are pretty entertaining anyway. When I hink what I could have achieved with all the brain cells I lost then... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/03/2009, at 5:51 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > I agree, Andrew. The age of 23 was a good year for me as well. > Here's a shot of me at the end of an exciting circumnavigation of > Anglesey. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 10:42:53 2009 Received: (qmail 8868 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 09:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 09:42:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418B8E18310 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC397E24125 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D11E19DF61 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:42:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5A419DF43 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:42:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Lgc0U-00055o-EO for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:42:46 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Lgc0T-0003HA-TB for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:42:45 +0000 Message-ID: <49B4E498.1@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:42:48 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B5699B.14938.211324D@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <49B5699B.14938.211324D@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Website on the way I hope X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 10:42:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4e49d210201234514069 Brian Swale wrote: > Hi all, > > For the last week or so I have been working on a new web-site, solely for my > photography. > > Here's a screen capture of the front page (as it is now) > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18623&id=1027725807&l=7ab51 > > Brian Swale Very nice, Brian. Sad to say, the links don't work... ;-) D. (I must get on with my own...) -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 11:21:27 2009 Received: (qmail 5915 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 10:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 10:21:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2EDE182FD for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 03:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1B7E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 03:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A878934AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 03:21:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B657C34AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 03:21:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (frank@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 03:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1Lgcbm-0005kn-QW for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:21:18 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:21:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> <49B43E5D.4040202@chucknorcutt.com> <200903090424.49905.doug9345@localnet.com> In-Reply-To: <200903090424.49905.doug9345@localnet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] JPEG quality loss - some data X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 11:21:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4eda78721838542571 Doug, Thanks for all the efforts and for answering my questions. But I remain firm on the issue that successive saving as jpeg serves no purpose at all. When you work on a photo, and expect having to work extra on it in a later stage, you should never save as jpeg. That is not what compressing is for: you will always loose quality (as you demonstrated clearly). It is like making an old film negative, print it, and for further editing use the print rather than the negative, make a new negative of that print and so on... nobody would do that unless the negative was no longer available IMHO one should always 1. save the orginal raw file (like the negative) 2. save the intermediate results in any no-loss format, e.g. tiff 3. compress to jpeg only after finishing all editing jobs In Oly Studio 2 I use Exif-TIFF . (btw: tiff can be compressed too, but remains lossless). Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 04:24:49 -0400, Doug wrote: >Chuck posted a note copied from the PWP forum and it got my curiosity up about >the subject. >I did some experimenting and posted some of it to the web space that comes >with my ISP. > >http://members.localnet.com/~doug9345/JPEG_Compare.html > >I left the pictures fairly large and generally not highly compressed. I didn't >want to and any other sources of changes than the ones I was experimenting >with. It loads fairly slow on dial-up. If it gives enough people loading >issues I'll reduce the size of the pictures. It will take me about 3 more >passes to get rid of the typos, spelling and grammer mistakes. > >To answer your question repeated saving isn't to reduce file size but a by >product of working on a photo, saving it, and then coming back, working on it >some more and saving it again. > >How the file size varied from one save to the next depended on the quality of >the save. For my image of corn at 1000 x 800 pixels the tif is 6.7MB,and the >png with maximum compresion 2.3 MB. the best quality jpeg is 694.7KB. After >9 more saves it is 622.4KB. On the other had with the quality set to 50 on a >scale of 100, the first save after the highest quality one is 78.2KB. It the >climbs to 78.5 on the final save. Using bzip2 to compress the tiff gave me a >file size of 1.6MB. The png, compressed the same way, was 1.5MB. The high >quality jpeg increased in size 694.7KB to 695.8KB when compressed. This is >normal behavior for already compressed files. I hope this answers your >question. > >-Doug -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 11:43:22 2009 Received: (qmail 164 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 10:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 10:43:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B87E182DF for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 03:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1830DE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 03:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45F519DC3A for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 03:43:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F45219DA3C for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 03:43:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 03:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37E6C9722 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:06:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <2029D1C4-0D47-4E3E-B330-D86F54B484EF@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <3B9AE05C-12F2-46B5-B80E-A8568E504645@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:43:11 +0000 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090308085607.0111f1d0@zuik.net> <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> <3B9AE05C-12F2-46B5-B80E-A8568E504645@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 11:43:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b4f2ca136051035110158 There's none so wise and those who can look back, eh? :-) Chris On 9 Mar 2009, at 09:41, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Who's a clever boy then? At 23 I was circumnavigating London at high > speed as the whole sixties thing was spiralling out of control - I > think I had a great time. The flashbacks are pretty entertaining > anyway. > When I hink what I could have achieved with all the brain cells I > lost then... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 13:09:25 2009 Received: (qmail 11110 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 12:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 12:09:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B08AE18314 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29773E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048F334AC02E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:09:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E02C34AC01E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:09:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13655 invoked by uid 504); 9 Mar 2009 12:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Mar 2009 12:09:13 -0000 Message-ID: <49B506E8.3080007@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:09:12 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B5699B.30067.2113098@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <49B5699B.30067.2113098@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090308-0, 03/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( E-1, E-510) White balance lens cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 13:09:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b506f5224031869477228 I find that precise white balance is almost never required. I shoot only in raw so that I can always adjust if required. The camera is always set for daylight or incandescent or flash as appropriate and the raw files are initially converted with the "as shot" white balance which is usually just fine. If I think a true white is really required I'll look for something white or gray in the image and let ACR adjust accordingly and with maybe a tweak of my own afterwards. If I think the shot needs a true white I'll use my small white balance card and take a shot of that before or after the shot that will need the precise balance. But that is extremely rare unless you're trying to guarantee that the bride's dress is white or you're doing product photography. I think the digital obsession with white balance is simply way overboard and more directed at selling white balance products than taking photos that represent the light they were taken in. How many film shooters have a massive set of Kodak CC filters or even bother to use type B film under incandescent light? ps: I have a $71 large, collapsible white balance target given to me gratis last year by Will Crockett for some suggestions I made to him regarding some of his flash videos. I've never yet seen the need to use it. In most cases, accurate white balance just washes away the color of the lovely light you're trying to capture. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > I bought one of these on-line recently. Not one of the best known brand > products; this one is Mennon brand, made 'you guess where' and about > 1/5th the price of the Expodisk? version. > > I hope to get more consistent and accurate digital exposures. > > Anybody feel like commenting? > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 13:10:08 2009 Received: (qmail 20743 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 12:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 12:10:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82063E182E1 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06661E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1573610008 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A80134AC02E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14141 invoked by uid 504); 9 Mar 2009 12:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Mar 2009 12:10:01 -0000 Message-ID: <49B50719.7070903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:10:01 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B5699B.14938.211324D@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <49B5699B.14938.211324D@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090308-0, 03/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Website on the way I hope X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 13:10:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5071f241491023412894 Looks nice. I think I remember that image. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > Hi all, > > For the last week or so I have been working on a new web-site, solely for my > photography. > > Here's a screen capture of the front page (as it is now) > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18623&id=1027725807&l=7ab51 > > Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 13:27:51 2009 Received: (qmail 22615 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 12:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 12:27:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE2FE182DA for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC240E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CF434AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:27:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E75534AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:27:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d.rhein@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QzwD1b0010FhH24A20Tm10; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:27:46 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.254.166]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R0Tl1b0033cAhRk8U0TlUz; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:27:46 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Darin" To: "OM List" Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:27:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] E-410 and Sigma 55-200 lens on craigslist Portland $300 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 13:27:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b50b4733431257536491 http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/pho/1062109715.html No connection. Darin -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 13:38:10 2009 Received: (qmail 30199 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 12:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 12:38:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6389E182E2 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF63E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AAF34AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:38:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC4834AC01E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:38:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.215.84]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KG800KP7OFFEDY4@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 07:38:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49B50DAE.1070607@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:38:06 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> In-reply-to: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 13:38:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b50db2180361585427447 Nice capture Chris. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chris Barker wrote: > This fine chap came to our garden today and gave himself a dustbath. > Pheasants are amazingly thick, I understand, but they look beautiful > and this chap posed, momentarily in front of a similarly coloured > plant pot. > > http://bit.ly/16TQmh > > E-3 with 12-60; and notwithstanding the current discussions about > wonderful lenses, and whether or not the 12-60 is hardy enough for Pro > use, this combination is excellent. > > Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 13:50:39 2009 Received: (qmail 8181 invoked by uid 0); 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(VPS 090308-0, 08/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Description: Mail message body X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Website on the way I hope X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 13:50:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5109f321641591313764 Donald from blueyonder.co.uk mentioned re: > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18623&id=1027725807&l=7ab51 > > Brian Swale Very nice, Brian. and added .. Sad to say, the links don't work.. That's because it is a shot (jpeg) of the front screen, not a live html page. Sorry about that ! Cheers Brian -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 14:27:07 2009 Received: (qmail 13150 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 13:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 13:27:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4967DE18316 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBD6E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96CC19E577 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:27:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE6119E550 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:26:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omls@zuik.net whitelisted) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32212 invoked by uid 504); 9 Mar 2009 13:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (omls@98.118.121.81) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 9 Mar 2009 13:26:56 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090309092350.0111a278@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:26:49 -0400 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: ws In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20090308085607.0111f1d0@zuik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 14:27:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5192b60951257536491 So, it seems that 12 is Not enough and we need a body that is closer to 20-25 to be best. Wayne At 08:21 PM 3/8/2009, you wrote: >12? Odd choice. I found it horrible. >I've concluded that as the brain only stops developing at 23yo and >that while we replace the components of brain cells, we do not >actually replace the cells at all, my brain is approximately 23 years >old. Fixed. And that was a pretty damn good year for me as well - I >can actually remember quite a few bits of it. >Consequently I'm most disappointed that the rest of me has moved on >in the most inappropriate directions and can best be described as >betraying my ambitions on an almost daily basis. >Andrew Fildes > > >On 08/03/2009, at 11:56 PM, ws wrote: > >> I know 12 is about where I am mentally, even though my body is >> pushing a lot more. I'd be happy if it the body stopped at 12, >> although 18 is also good Any more is just down hill. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 14:33:42 2009 Received: (qmail 25915 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 13:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 13:33:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37122E1830D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00FCE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC80A19E516 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:33:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414CC19E5BA for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:33:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Lgfbr-00031j-8r for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:33:35 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Lgfbq-0000Z8-Pj for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:33:34 +0000 Message-ID: <49B51AB3.7050302@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:33:39 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B5C766.26168.283620@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <49B5C766.26168.283620@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Website on the way I hope X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 14:33:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b51ab6149442336821329 Brian Swale wrote: > Donald from blueyonder.co.uk mentioned re: >> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18623&id=1027725807&l=7ab51 >> >> Brian Swale > > Very nice, Brian. and added .. > > Sad to say, the links don't work.. > > That's because it is a shot (jpeg) of the front screen, not a live html page. > Sorry about that ! > > Cheers > > Brian Joke! Joke! Smiley! ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 14:37:17 2009 Received: (qmail 12740 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 13:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 13:37:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66AD3E182E9 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3C5E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9897A34AC03C for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:37:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD2234AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:37:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.23]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.58.121] (121.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.121]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80693D9D17 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:37:09 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:37:08 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <49B5D254.24474.52E7E0@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090308-0, 08/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] ( E1 & E-510) Second week of autumn 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 14:37:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b51b8d319362336821329 Scott asked about the lens and which is E-1 Lens in all cases was the DZ 14-54. All images altered with Irfanview (contrast, sharpening, saturation, gamma), and re-sized down to the facebook max width of 604 pixels. With that amount of resizing, I'd be surprised if any difference between images will show up. Come to think of it, maybe I lie; I have envied Nathan for the sharpness and colour of his M8 images for quite some time now. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18519&id=1027725807&l=266a1 The E-1 images are (from the left) 1 & 2. The remainder are E-510. All hand-held, IS on for the 510. All f/8. ( I finally figured out how to set the aperture in the 510 !!) That beach isn't always so nice. I get some marvellous storm photos there too. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 14:57:30 2009 Received: (qmail 18034 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 13:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 13:57:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE93EE182F1 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5166DE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E38434AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:57:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E9C34AC031 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:57:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AA946157F for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:17:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49B50DAE.1070607@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:57:21 +0000 References: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> <49B50DAE.1070607@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 14:57:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5204a257911234514069 Thanks, chum. In fact it was my E-3 with 50-200 (Mk 1). Chris On 9 Mar 2009, at 12:38, John Hermanson wrote: > Nice capture Chris. > > > > Chris Barker wrote: >> This fine chap came to our garden today and gave himself a dustbath. >> Pheasants are amazingly thick, I understand, but they look beautiful >> and this chap posed, momentarily in front of a similarly coloured >> plant pot. >> >> http://bit.ly/16TQmh >> >> E-3 with 12-60; and notwithstanding the current discussions about >> wonderful lenses, and whether or not the 12-60 is hardy enough for >> Pro >> use, this combination is excellent. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 16:12:23 2009 Received: (qmail 31016 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 15:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 15:12:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C4AE18305 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00389E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E2519E9B5 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:12:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D8A19E9A7 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rlovison@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0107.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm0202.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0107.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD166B2D900 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm0202 Received: by dm0202.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 049d562b) id dm0202.49a745f2.c7593e for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:12:08 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQMZKi9JtTHIs2aXpgIAAAAB,1a7b0be4e192c72be047c39e08b49911 Message-ID: <49B531D3.2030303@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:12:19 -0400 From: Richard Lovison User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B5699B.30067.2113098@bj.caverock.net.nz> <49B506E8.3080007@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49B506E8.3080007@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090308-0, 03/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( E-1, E-510) White balance lens cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 16:12:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b531d732989347015869 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I think the digital obsession with white balance is simply way overboard > and more directed at selling white balance products than taking photos > that represent the light they were taken in. I haven't been witness to the obsession, more the confusion as to what it is. I find the custom white balance in the E-3 a very useful tool, especially indoors. When doing an indoor shot of a hockey rink, I had no clue as to the source of the overhead lighting and didn't want the ice to have a weird color cast. Shooting a gray card in the stands gave me an excellent starting point to work from in RAW conversion. I probably would have had more difficulty getting the proper tint setting had I shot at the daylight setting or used auto. Setting the color balance of something white in the image to pure white in the conversion doesn't always work for me. > In most cases, accurate white balance just washes away the color of > the lovely light you're trying to capture. I agree and is the reason I recommend to most who ask to keep there WB setting at daylight instead of auto as it works in most cases (as it did in the film days) and choose shade or overcast when appropriate, especially with snow scenes. Richard -- Richard Lovison Photography http://www.richardlovison.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 16:20:18 2009 Received: (qmail 9530 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 15:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 15:20:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37DEE182E5 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89363E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713F319E9EE for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:20:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D9219E9E8 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:20:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f163.google.com (mail-gx0-f163.google.com [209.85.217.163]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so2723840gxk.14 for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:20:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.92.194 with SMTP id s2mr1646215vcm.10.1236612010208; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:20:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f2ea149f535cf32f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 16:20:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b533b2266562336821329 Some people think that weather sealing is highly overrated. I don't in the least. If it wasn't for the mammoth E-30 review soaking up almost the entire weekend (www.zone-10.com) (Thanks Khen for the epic...), I'd have the shot prepped and ready to show. But it will have to wait until next week's "Picture of the Week". Saturday evening, we were driving back home in the rain when I noticed the nice reflections in the water. I dropped the family off at home, grabbed the E-1 with 14-54 and headed back downtown to take some pictures. Now, granted, as I looked around, all of the wet pavement shots looked like every other wet pavement shot at night you've ever seen. Essentially a cliche. I ended up across the street from the Strand Theater, and the marquee was reflecting nicely in the street, but the contrast level was out of sight. So, I put the camera in 5-bracket mode (with 1 stop steps), 2-second anti-shock delay, manual focused and as the camera was sitting on my sturdy tripod, just fired away. But did I mention that it was raining and just a couple degrees above freezing? All said and done, the camera was exposed to the elements for around a half hour and was soaked. My ONLY problem was that the battery in the battery-grip was getting a little "soft". I've noticed that the higher capacity battery in the vertical grip doesn't do as well in cold weather as the smaller BLM-1 batteries inside the camera. The camera generates enough heat to keep the BLM-1 from lagging too much, but the high-capacity battery is outside the camera itself and not getting the benefit of the heat. Anyway, the moral of this story is that when you have an E-1, you ain't afraid to use it in any condition. If I had the non-sealed E-30, I would have been covering it up with a shower-cap or something. I enjoy not having to worry about my cameras. It really is freedom! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 16:35:07 2009 Received: (qmail 18241 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 15:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 15:35:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92607E182E5 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D014E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C9234AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:35:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC8634AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:35:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from georges.telenet-ops.be (georges.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.68]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([81.164.152.194]) by georges.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id R3az1b00B4BukHM063azbA; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:34:59 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Iwert Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:34:59 +0100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 16:35:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5372b224851023412894 Op 9-mrt-09, om 16:20 heeft Ken Norton het volgende geschreven: > I don't in the > least. If it wasn't for the mammoth E-30 review soaking up almost the > entire weekend (www.zone-10.com) (Thanks Khen for the epic...) I'm just looking at the review... The white text on light gray background in the tables is only barely readeable (the orange is not exactly to my taste either, in combination with the black background, but de gustibus et coloribus...) Iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 16:36:03 2009 Received: (qmail 25749 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 15:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 15:36:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EBDE18305 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BABE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C542D19EA3A for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:35:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4238819EA49 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:35:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LghWG-0005aT-0R for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:35:56 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LghWF-0007uu-Hg for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:35:55 +0000 Message-ID: <49B53761.9030509@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:36:01 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 16:36:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b53763159821702588592 Ken Norton wrote: > Shameless Plug Alert: > Zone-10 has published an extensive product review of the new Olympus E-30. > There's stuff in there that you'll not find in other reviews! Khen must > have steroid-driven typing fingers. > > Also, we have rearranged the product reviews and they are now listed in the > left-hand column for easy finding. > > http://www.zone-10.com > > Thank you > > AG (Chief Cook and Bottle Washer) Schnozz Some of the colour choices leave a bit to be desired, on my laptop, at least, Ken. CTRL-A allowed me to read them, and I enjoyed the review, but something to think about, eh? D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 16:40:51 2009 Received: (qmail 10003 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 15:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 15:40:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA1EE182E9 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264BAE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138FC34AC031 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:40:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384A734AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:40:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n29Fefve021024 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:40:41 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <52B21A8C129646F39E82D7672389EF61@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49B5699B.14938.211324D@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:40:38 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Website on the way I hope X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 16:40:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b53883216301234514069 That's nice, Brian. Looking forward to see your galleries soon! C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Swale" > Hi all, > > For the last week or so I have been working on a new web-site, solely for > my > photography. > > Here's a screen capture of the front page (as it is now) > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18623&id=1027725807&l=7ab51 > > Brian Swale > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 16:45:12 2009 Received: (qmail 3606 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 15:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 15:45:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A54FE182FE for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5EBEE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A4B34AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE89534AC01E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:45:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-qy0-f109.google.com (mail-qy0-f109.google.com [209.85.221.109]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so1381882qyk.22 for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:45:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.96.135 with SMTP id h7mr1653374vcn.87.1236613502738; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:45:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B531D3.2030303@gmail.com> References: <49B5699B.30067.2113098@bj.caverock.net.nz> <49B506E8.3080007@chucknorcutt.com> <49B531D3.2030303@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:45:02 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 76dbaef45f41bea7 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( E-1, E-510) White balance lens cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 16:45:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5398814829117217770 I also have my camera's WB locked down. My standard setting for the E-1 is "5300K -1 Step". However, when shooting in-camera JPEG stuff, especially indoors, I'll do a custom WB and keep chimping till I get the look I want. In almost every case, I find that the AWB or even custom WB in indoor lighting will turn too bluish and ends up looking like the morgue scenes on CSI. I have one of those ExpoDisk thingies I found in a bargain bin for something like $5. It has REALLY come in handy for indoor sporting events where you can't get a decent WB off of the sodium-mercury-argon-hydrogen-bomb lights hanging in the rafters. It's nearly impossible to get a correct WB setting in those environments because you can't find a neutral color anywhere. Football/Baseball fields are neon green, basketball courts are yellow, and hockey ice ain't white. If you point the camera at the lights to get a WB, you'll get an incorrect reading. I've tried neutral grey cards, but the problem there is reflections which pick up other hues. My only real rub with the ExpoDisk is that the E-1's manual WB setting works maybe 20% of the time and gives you an error 80% of the time. Grrr. The Minolta A1's manual WB function works nearly 100% of the time. As to AWB, I rarely use it because of the variances between shots. If I shoot 10 pictures in a row, 3/4 of them will be one WB and 1/4 will be another. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 17:10:28 2009 Received: (qmail 13839 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 16:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 16:10:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7665AE182EA for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171FDE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0615119EAED for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:10:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD9319EAEA for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:10:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so1558553fxm.14 for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:10:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.36.9 with SMTP id o9mr2085493bkj.148.1236615019432; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:10:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B53761.9030509@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <49B53761.9030509@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:10:19 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 250c6f2fe8277ee2 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 17:10:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b53f74131465368819438 > > Some of the colour choices leave a bit to be desired, on my laptop, at > least, Ken. > Thanks. I thought I had them all fixed, but I see that different browsers are screwing up the tables. This will have to wait until tonight when I can dive back into it. Ag -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 17:16:32 2009 Received: (qmail 29149 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 16:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 16:16:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F88E182EA for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C55EE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B2534AC02E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:16:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B8634AC01E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:16:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Lgi9Q-0005WB-Kw for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:16:24 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Lgi9P-0007OJ-UO for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:16:24 +0000 Message-ID: <49B540DD.4080602@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:16:29 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B5699B.30067.2113098@bj.caverock.net.nz> <49B506E8.3080007@chucknorcutt.com> <49B531D3.2030303@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] ( E-1, E-510) White balance lens cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 17:16:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b540e0198142070262475 Ken Norton wrote: > > My only real rub with the ExpoDisk is that the E-1's manual WB setting works > maybe 20% of the time and gives you an error 80% of the time. Grrr. The > Minolta A1's manual WB function works nearly 100% of the time. > > As to AWB, I rarely use it because of the variances between shots. If I > shoot 10 pictures in a row, 3/4 of them will be one WB and 1/4 will be > another. > > AG I don't think about white balance. I leave it on auto and shoot raw. In Lightroom, if something is off, I drag over the WB from shots where it got it right. In the hills a couple of weeks ago I took a couple of shots in a sequence, just kept the button pressed. The second shot was miles off on WB (very blue), but it synced just fine... ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 17:31:53 2009 Received: (qmail 19229 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 16:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 16:31:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D79E18327 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2EDE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6314134AC02E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:31:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD3F34AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:31:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB9746141B for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:51:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:31:45 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 17:31:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5447978131035110158 Thanks, Ken. I have never heard of a "digital leveller" before and I can't see how it might work using 2 accelerometers. An accelerometer measures the acceleration of a moving object, not that of a stationery one (!). Unless the camera has an inertial platform, and an idea of what the earth's acceleration should be for its position on the earth's surface, I can't see how having 2 accelerometers give it a levelling instructions. Any ideas anyone? Chris On 8 Mar 2009, at 23:33, Ken Norton wrote: > Shameless Plug Alert: > Zone-10 has published an extensive product review of the new Olympus > E-30. > There's stuff in there that you'll not find in other reviews! Khen > must > have steroid-driven typing fingers. > > Also, we have rearranged the product reviews and they are now listed > in the > left-hand column for easy finding. > > http://www.zone-10.com > > Thank you -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 17:53:09 2009 Received: (qmail 1633 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 16:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 16:53:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6AEE182EC for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0FFE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E83819EBCA for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:53:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A88819EBAF for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:53:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so1575942fxm.14 for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:52:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.23.2 with SMTP id a2mr2095933bkj.166.1236617579692; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:52:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:52:59 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a174e76f07a76893 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 17:53:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b54975103471823421471 > > I can't see how having 2 accelerometers give it a levelling instructions. > First, you had four balanced mirrors on pendulums and then a suitable amount of smoke. :) I'm quite pleased with this feature and hope that next E-Beast has it. My one gripe with the 4/3 format is the shortened format causes me to frequently get the horizons crooked. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 18:02:45 2009 Received: (qmail 25330 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 17:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 17:02:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849E7E182F6 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B12E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE0519EBF1 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FC819EBEF for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-web26-z02 ([10.127.132.177]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090309170238.KNHD5965.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web26-z02>; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:02:38 +0000 Message-ID: <20090309170238.LZ9MM.318595.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:02:38 -0400 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Cc: Chris Barker Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 18:02:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b54bb5247151823421471 ---- Chris Barker wrote: > I agree, Andrew. The age of 23 was a good year for me as well. > Here's a shot of me at the end of an exciting circumnavigation of > Anglesey. Hum. I turned 23 a month after military separation from active duty. Three years, eight months and 17 days. I don't recall my 23rd birthday. I don't recall much of the year I was 23. There was a great deal of haze then, and a pungent odor I do recall quite distinctly. Somewhere I have some photographs taken with my trusty Nikon F, but I can't vouch for the focus. Things began to clarify somewhat around age 25. For example, I recall my wedding. And even though I surely was most addlepated in those years, apparently I chose wisely, for I am still married to the same woman (at least I _think_ it's the same woman. She says she is, anyway), and a more happily married man you could not find. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 18:40:39 2009 Received: (qmail 30050 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 17:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 17:40:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8AFE1830D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05083E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A4934AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:40:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FACC34AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:40:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C50F3140D0 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3D53140BD for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49B55493.6020307@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:40:35 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090308-0, 03/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 18:40:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b55497318431869477228 > > Then they can simply make fixed aperture f/4 lenses with no need to deal ... What about DOF? Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 18:41:28 2009 Received: (qmail 7270 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 17:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 17:41:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B2CE1830F for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A802CE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C34F34AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D7D34AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBF43140D0 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C710F3140BD for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49B554C7.1050201@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:41:27 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090308-0, 03/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 18:41:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b554c8279237927319144 Locally we are subject to this all the time even though we don't cross the border. The border patrol sets up random spot checks. The macho attitude, women too, is _at best_ inefficient and counter productive. e.g. interrogating the person in the article kept at least one agent from "protecting" the country for 3 hours. In another case locally their spot check caught deported the bread winner of a family who happened to be an illegal. The rest of the family members either have a green card or are US citizens. The family have been living in the community for more than 10 years. A friend of ours has been renting to them and now they can't pay rent. The community has helped out for a few months but the support has waned and an immigration hearing is months away. So our friend has the option of foregoing some of her retirement income or kicking the family out on the street. This makes our country safer? On the other hand I have found the Canadians businesslike and efficient and also courteous. The two are not mutually exclusive. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 18:47:59 2009 Received: (qmail 32025 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 17:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 17:47:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD93E18300 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A232AE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A95934AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:47:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4417E34AC01E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:47:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QzUR1b0050mlR8UA75nuWt; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:47:54 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R5nu1b0022Axmu48X5nu0K; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:47:54 +0000 Message-ID: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:47:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 18:47:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5564f216071993019900 First off, I used to work on the Bombing Navigation System on the B-58 Hustler bomber. The integrating accelerometers for that system were mounted on a gyro stabilized platform. The integration of those accelerometers enabled them to provide speed rather then acceleration. That platform was maintained at a level position by the gyros. If an accelerometer is tilted off level, gravity should cause it to provide an output. When leveled again the output should go back to zero. Two of them, mounted at right angles to each other, should provide the information for leveling. Of course, I could be wrong. LOL I had a problem understanding the gyro stabilized lens in the C-2100 UZ camera. Then it was explained as digitally simulated gyroscopes. That is one great image stabilization system. Pity it wasn't followed up. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > Thanks, Ken. > > I have never heard of a "digital leveller" before and I can't see how > it might work using 2 accelerometers. > > An accelerometer measures the acceleration of a moving object, not > that of a stationery one (!). Unless the camera has an inertial > platform, and an idea of what the earth's acceleration should be for > its position on the earth's surface, I can't see how having 2 > accelerometers give it a levelling instructions. > > Any ideas anyone? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 18:50:19 2009 Received: (qmail 20781 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 17:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 17:50:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF30E182F9 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B64E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EF434AC031 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:50:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9985634AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:50:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lgjc8-0008KB-9U for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:50:09 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:50:05 -0000 Message-ID: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acmg1JKc5HjxxkPtSNes7vmL3Nre3QACYxBw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090308-0, 08/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/9080/Fri Mar 6 19:13:38 2009, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 18:50:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b556db184761499373980 Presumably by having the two devices set at 180 degrees to one another, you can compare the readings from each and work out the attitude of the camera body without needing to know its absolute position. Thus the "leveller" simply allows you to adjust the camera attitude until the readings from each device are equal. I suspect "load cell" would be a better description than "accelerometer", though doubtless the latter incorporates the former. And that would be stationAry, please, Chris! Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: 09 March 2009 16:32 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website Thanks, Ken. I have never heard of a "digital leveller" before and I can't see how it might work using 2 accelerometers. An accelerometer measures the acceleration of a moving object, not that of a stationery one (!). Unless the camera has an inertial platform, and an idea of what the earth's acceleration should be for its position on the earth's surface, I can't see how having 2 accelerometers give it a levelling instructions. Any ideas anyone? Chris On 8 Mar 2009, at 23:33, Ken Norton wrote: > Shameless Plug Alert: > Zone-10 has published an extensive product review of the new Olympus > E-30. > There's stuff in there that you'll not find in other reviews! Khen > must have steroid-driven typing fingers. > > Also, we have rearranged the product reviews and they are now listed > in the left-hand column for easy finding. > > http://www.zone-10.com > > Thank you -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 18:53:03 2009 Received: (qmail 5049 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 17:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 17:53:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9BFE18300 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A0FE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D139E19ECE1 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:52:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5468B19ECDF for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:52:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R5EM1b00L0mlR8UA85szjz; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:52:59 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R5sy1b0062Axmu48X5syhl; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:52:59 +0000 Message-ID: <714C702944E84038A9F69DA44F3609FF@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:53:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 18:53:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5577f25502046811720 After I sent the other message, i googled accelerometer. Got the following, which should explain it. http://www.dimensionengineering.com/accelerometers.htm Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > Thanks, Ken. > > I have never heard of a "digital leveller" before and I can't see how > it might work using 2 accelerometers. > > An accelerometer measures the acceleration of a moving object, not > that of a stationery one (!). Unless the camera has an inertial > platform, and an idea of what the earth's acceleration should be for > its position on the earth's surface, I can't see how having 2 > accelerometers give it a levelling instructions. > > Any ideas anyone? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 18:55:26 2009 Received: (qmail 30431 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 17:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 17:55:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2772E182F6 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD407E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18F434AC02E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A8B34AC01E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lgjh9-0006wt-Fg for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:55:19 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:55:16 -0000 Message-ID: <5607E0CE7EBE4533B28E13922019DA2B@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> Thread-Index: Acmg3zEtZNob53sgT+KlOkbyYhxLSAAAI4bA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090308-0, 08/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/9080/Fri Mar 6 19:13:38 2009, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 18:55:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5580e151611342116753 Meaning "followed up by Olympus"? That it wasn't so followed up is explained by the fact that it was a Canyon IS system to which Olympus bought a licence on a $x per body basis. Thus the C-2100UZ was a one-off "stopgap". Piers -----Original Message----- From: Paul Laughlin Sent: 09 March 2009 17:48 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website --snip I had a problem understanding the gyro stabilized lens in the C-2100 UZ camera. --snip That is one great image stabilization system. Pity it wasn't followed up. Paul in Portland OR --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 19:06:57 2009 Received: (qmail 22081 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 18:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 18:06:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897F6E1830C for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BEC5E24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDC519ED0A for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:06:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513DC19ED0C for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:06:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R0Bp1b0030vp7WLA566tEz; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:06:53 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R66s1b0012Axmu48R66s0s; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:06:52 +0000 Message-ID: <4FF149BA04054F519C1676D397D462DC@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> <5607E0CE7EBE4533B28E13922019DA2B@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <5607E0CE7EBE4533B28E13922019DA2B@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:06:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 19:06:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b55ac1293421234514069 Yeah, Piers. I actually knew that. That camera still has a pretty good following. And it is only a 2 MP camera. Still the best image stabilization I have seen. Very Big Grin. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > Meaning "followed up by Olympus"? That it wasn't so followed up is > explained by the fact that it was a Canyon IS system to which Olympus > bought > a licence on a $x per body basis. Thus the C-2100UZ was a one-off > "stopgap". > > Piers -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 19:12:31 2009 Received: (qmail 28576 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 18:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 18:12:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E654E182ED for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FD6E24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5157434AC03C for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:12:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24B734AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:12:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B768C9708 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:35:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:12:23 +0000 References: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 19:12:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b55c0f103731035110158 Lovely aircraft, Paul. But the accelerometer measure the movement (effectively). Integration of the acceleration gives you speed, but once the movement stops there's no input, nothing to say level/not level. Chris On 9 Mar 2009, at 17:47, Paul Laughlin wrote: > First off, I used to work on the Bombing Navigation System on the B-58 > Hustler bomber. The integrating accelerometers for that system were > mounted > on a gyro stabilized platform. The integration of those > accelerometers > enabled them to provide speed rather then acceleration. That > platform was > maintained at a level position by the gyros. If an accelerometer is > tilted > off level, gravity should cause it to provide an output. When > leveled again > the output should go back to zero. Two of them, mounted at right > angles to > each other, should provide the information for leveling. Of course, > I could > be wrong. LOL I had a problem understanding the gyro stabilized > lens in the > C-2100 UZ camera. Then it was explained as digitally simulated > gyroscopes. > That is one great image stabilization system. Pity it wasn't > followed up. > Paul in Portland OR -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 19:15:52 2009 Received: (qmail 1350 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 18:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 18:15:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC04BE182ED for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D77DE24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389DF34AC02E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:15:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424FF34AC057 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:15:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E818AC974D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:38:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:15:42 +0000 References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 19:15:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b55cd8325741234514069 No, that doesn't persuade me, Piers :-). The position, such as lat and long, are not important, but the level/not level position is. And the accelerometers won't give any information when there is no movement, whatever their relative positions or orientations. You need a gyro-stabilised platform to give level. I'm about to buy an iPhone which has accelerometers; perhaps that will persuade me. On 9 Mar 2009, at 17:50, Piers Hemy wrote: > Presumably by having the two devices set at 180 degrees to one > another, you > can compare the readings from each and work out the attitude of the > camera > body without needing to know its absolute position. Thus the > "leveller" > simply allows you to adjust the camera attitude until the readings > from each > device are equal. I suspect "load cell" would be a better > description than > "accelerometer", though doubtless the latter incorporates the former. > Thank goodness *someone* was paying attention when I wasn't! > And that would be stationAry, please, Chris! Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 19:17:19 2009 Received: (qmail 32352 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 18:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 18:17:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D461E18302 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92FCE24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9236119ED4F for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:17:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9FD19ED49 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:17:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9455FC978A for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:40:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <714C702944E84038A9F69DA44F3609FF@PaulPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:17:11 +0000 References: <714C702944E84038A9F69DA44F3609FF@PaulPC> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 19:17:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b55d2e161491023412894 Thanks, Paul. But that requires the device to know where it is, since angular acceleration varies with latitude. Chris On 9 Mar 2009, at 17:53, Paul Laughlin wrote: > After I sent the other message, i googled accelerometer. Got the > following, > which should explain it. > > http://www.dimensionengineering.com/accelerometers.htm -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 19:38:52 2009 Received: (qmail 9837 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 18:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 18:38:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B59DE182ED for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063ACE24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAA119EDA8 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:38:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F06819EDA6 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:38:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC882D87AC3 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:38:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dLNQ30tazj5B for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086092D87AB4 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:38:41 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 19:38:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5623c150971342116753 > From: Bob Whitmire > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:55 AM, John Hudson wrote: > >> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090307.wpepper07/BNStory/National/home > > The negative experiences I've had at the border have all been on the > U.S. side. That all depends on what entry documents you have. If you live in Canada, they don't treat you so well going north, although I must say they are much more polite about it. Going south, they're looking for drugs and terrorists. Going north, they're looking for guns and shopping sprees. It's very important that they get their tax on Canadians who went south for a day of shopping. :::: Terrorism is the best political weapon, for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death. -- Adolf Hitler :::: Jan Steinman -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 19:55:51 2009 Received: (qmail 24618 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 18:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 18:55:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752EBE182FD for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6987CE24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567E519EDF1 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:55:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C6919EDE8 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:55:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 632 invoked by uid 504); 9 Mar 2009 18:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Mar 2009 18:55:40 -0000 Message-ID: <49B5662C.3010907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:55:40 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B5D254.24474.52E7E0@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <49B5D254.24474.52E7E0@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090308-0, 03/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( E1 & E-510) Second week of autumn 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 19:55:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b56637120271073733319 How can you judge sharpness on a sub-megapixel web image? Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > Scott asked about the lens and which is E-1 > > Lens in all cases was the DZ 14-54. All images altered with Irfanview > (contrast, sharpening, saturation, gamma), and re-sized down to the > facebook max width of 604 pixels. > > With that amount of resizing, I'd be surprised if any difference between > images will show up. Come to think of it, maybe I lie; I have envied Nathan > for the sharpness and colour of his M8 images for quite some time now. > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18519&id=1027725807&l=266a1 > > The E-1 images are (from the left) 1 & 2. The remainder are E-510. > All hand-held, IS on for the 510. All f/8. ( I finally figured out how to set the > aperture in the 510 !!) > > That beach isn't always so nice. I get some marvellous storm photos there > too. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 19:58:01 2009 Received: (qmail 15130 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 18:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 18:58:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF6FE182E3 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CC7E24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B6119EDDB for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4674C19EC02 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D942D87D69 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OTGG2Zee25fm for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FD92D87D5A for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <906AD8A0-AD86-4015-931F-0CE5EB816FB6@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:57:51 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 19:58:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b566b9325151869477228 > From: Rand E > > He then wanted to know if I owned > any firearms, I told him I didn't think that that had anything to do > with the situation. Wrong answer. I could see how that might sound like "None of your business!" to a border guard. What was wrong with telling them the truth? Something respectful, along the lines of, "I own firearms, but know that Canada's laws are more stringent, so in respect for Canada's right to regulate firearms, I take care to leave them at home." (In my case, it's "I only own a BB pistol that I use for scaring squirrels off the bird feeder." That usually earns me a free pass on further firearms questions. :-) Not that you are a nut-case or had an attitude in this particular case... But personally, I find a lot of second-amendment nut-cases like to export their attitude to the rest of the world. If Mercans would stop wearing their silly, powerless Constitution on their shirt sleeves, the world might be a better place. When your freedoms are being evaporated day by day, it just looks silly to go all loony-tunes over any part of the Constitution, since so much of it is just routinely ignored by the government. And yea, what Andrew said, too: :::: When are you [the US] going to stop trying to export democracy and consider importing it? -- Andrew Fildes :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 20:02:01 2009 Received: (qmail 1005 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 19:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 19:01:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21253E1830A for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434B3E24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3464219EE08 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:01:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD5C19EE0D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5449 invoked by uid 504); 9 Mar 2009 19:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Mar 2009 19:01:53 -0000 Message-ID: <49B567A1.9000008@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:01:53 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B5699B.30067.2113098@bj.caverock.net.nz> <49B506E8.3080007@chucknorcutt.com> <49B531D3.2030303@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49B531D3.2030303@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090308-0, 03/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( E-1, E-510) White balance lens cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 20:02:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b567a9129991993019900 Well, I have to admit that you've located an exception. The interior of a hockey rink is far from the lovely light you'd like to capture. :-) I did get caught today without a white balance card and in a furniture store with my wife where the lighting was mixed daylight, fluorescent, tungsten and probably others. I did use a piece of white paper in a couple shots to try to develop some semblance of the color of the fabrics there. Probably a hopeless task given the mixed light but better than the camera will do on its own. Chuck Norcutt Richard Lovison wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> I think the digital obsession with white balance is simply way overboard >> and more directed at selling white balance products than taking photos >> that represent the light they were taken in. > > I haven't been witness to the obsession, more the confusion as to what > it is. I find the custom white balance in the E-3 a very useful tool, > especially indoors. When doing an indoor shot of a hockey rink, I had no > clue as to the source of the overhead lighting and didn't want the ice > to have a weird color cast. Shooting a gray card in the stands gave me > an excellent starting point to work from in RAW conversion. I probably > would have had more difficulty getting the proper tint setting had I > shot at the daylight setting or used auto. Setting the color balance of > something white in the image to pure white in the conversion doesn't > always work for me. > >> In most cases, accurate white balance just washes away the color of >> the lovely light you're trying to capture. > > I agree and is the reason I recommend to most who ask to keep there WB > setting at daylight instead of auto as it works in most cases (as it did > in the film days) and choose shade or overcast when appropriate, > especially with snow scenes. > > Richard > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 20:09:59 2009 Received: (qmail 29834 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 19:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 19:09:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC17E1830B for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDA2E24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513A834AC04D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:09:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37A334AC031 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:09:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10492 invoked by uid 504); 9 Mar 2009 19:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Mar 2009 19:09:52 -0000 Message-ID: <49B56980.7020801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:09:52 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B55493.6020307@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <49B55493.6020307@interisland.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090308-0, 03/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 20:09:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b56987128591073733319 I forgot to add that the image is actually a hologram which retains depth information for the entire scene. Just dial in the required DOF and the image will be softened accordingly with the most lovely bokeh. Chuck Norcutt Mike Lazzari wrote: >> Then they can simply make fixed aperture f/4 lenses with no need to deal ... > What about DOF? > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 20:15:14 2009 Received: (qmail 32134 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 19:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 19:15:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EE2E182FB for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56695E24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478E334AC02E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:15:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EEF34AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:15:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13919 invoked by uid 504); 9 Mar 2009 19:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090308-0, 03/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 20:15:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b56ac2282381702588592 He meant, of course, the the accelerometers are not suitable for leveling boxes of paper products. Chuck Norcutt Piers Hemy wrote: > Presumably by having the two devices set at 180 degrees to one another, you > can compare the readings from each and work out the attitude of the camera > body without needing to know its absolute position. Thus the "leveller" > simply allows you to adjust the camera attitude until the readings from each > device are equal. I suspect "load cell" would be a better description than > "accelerometer", though doubtless the latter incorporates the former. > > And that would be stationAry, please, Chris! > > Piers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] > Sent: 09 March 2009 16:32 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > > Thanks, Ken. > > I have never heard of a "digital leveller" before and I can't see how it > might work using 2 accelerometers. > > An accelerometer measures the acceleration of a moving object, not that of a > stationery one (!). Unless the camera has an inertial platform, and an idea > of what the earth's acceleration should be for its position on the earth's > surface, I can't see how having 2 accelerometers give it a levelling > instructions. > > Any ideas anyone? > > Chris > > On 8 Mar 2009, at 23:33, Ken Norton wrote: > >> Shameless Plug Alert: >> Zone-10 has published an extensive product review of the new Olympus >> E-30. >> There's stuff in there that you'll not find in other reviews! Khen >> must have steroid-driven typing fingers. >> >> Also, we have rearranged the product reviews and they are now listed >> in the left-hand column for easy finding. >> >> http://www.zone-10.com >> >> Thank you > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 20:27:32 2009 Received: (qmail 13250 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 19:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 19:27:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9D5E1830C for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC081E24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE37234AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:27:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D39634AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:27:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R0nA1b00C0FhH24A47TUxw; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:27:28 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R7TT1b00S2Axmu48U7TUfa; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:27:28 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:27:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 20:27:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b56da4228814673671140 The accelerometer essentially measures the force of the acceleration, and when not level, gravity provides that force. That is why a stable platform must be level so that gravity does not come into play. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > Lovely aircraft, Paul. > > But the accelerometer measure the movement (effectively). Integration > of the acceleration gives you speed, but once the movement stops > there's no input, nothing to say level/not level. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 20:29:01 2009 Received: (qmail 26524 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 19:29:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 19:29:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A7DE182EA for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE680E24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDCF19EE55 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:28:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA4819EE4D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:28:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (frank@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1Lgl9h-0003rA-Ob for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:28:53 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:28:44 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 20:29:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b56dfd194097350615338 Chris, I remember that some meteorological instruments (e.g. sun shine recorders) also have elctronic spirit levels on board. Have a look here: http://www.spectronsensors.com/appsheets/SAN-201-1703.pdf and here: http://www.spectronsensors.com/datasheets/SDS-117-1104.pdf I don't know what these little gems would cost... On their sites you can find complete inclinometers as well. Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:31:45 +0000, Chris Barker wrote: >Thanks, Ken. > >I have never heard of a "digital leveller" before and I can't see how >it might work using 2 accelerometers. > >An accelerometer measures the acceleration of a moving object, not >that of a stationery one (!). Unless the camera has an inertial >platform, and an idea of what the earth's acceleration should be for >its position on the earth's surface, I can't see how having 2 >accelerometers give it a levelling instructions. > >Any ideas anyone? > >Chris > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 20:41:18 2009 Received: (qmail 14791 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 19:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 19:41:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553ACE182F0 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D17EE24122 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 20:41:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b570de45549117217770 I've been looking for one of those to wear alongside my wrist-watch - what's the point of... oh, ok, I'll resist...br Jez On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Frank van Lindert wrote: > > On their sites you can find complete inclinometers as well. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 20:55:16 2009 Received: (qmail 18077 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 19:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 19:55:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF54E182F4 for ; 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Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.221.5 with SMTP id y5mr2803296muq.66.1236628508965; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:55:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090309170238.LZ9MM.318595.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> References: <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> <20090309170238.LZ9MM.318595.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:55:08 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d6ed078f4b2757fa Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 20:55:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b57424265991993019900 Age 24-27 was pretty rarified air for me. Single and girlfriends in multiple states. Hmm. That didn't sound right. Anyway, you get the idea... BTW, rule for tranquility: When you have two dates in one evening, make sure that the second one begins at a different location than where the first one ends. Invariably, the first date will go overtime and the second one will arrive early. Second rule: Never reveal your true work location. Stalkers aren't fun. Third rule: Say the truth, not what you think they want to hear. You'll never guess correctly what it is that they want to hear. Forth rule: Never take a girlfriend to the same "favorite spot" as you've taken another girlfriend. You're bound to run into said girlfriend while on the date. Fifth rule: Being married has it's issues, but life is much simpler. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 20:59:45 2009 Received: (qmail 4148 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 19:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 19:59:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DCDE18320 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFFBE24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DACC19EE87 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:59:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1037A19EE7A for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:59:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (frank@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out0.tiscali.nl (smtp-out0.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.175]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1LgldT-0004iB-4U for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:59:39 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:59:29 +0100 Message-ID: <25tar4d34ek37qm4hhmqcf83brrp901oj5@4ax.com> References: <9f07ac840903091241q60810239yff38812405c5d1d6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840903091241q60810239yff38812405c5d1d6@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 20:59:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b57531100851035110158 Jez, do you mean your watch hasn't an inclinometer built in? What a shame! Wikipedia writes: "As of January 2009, almost all new mobile phones and digital cameras contain at least a tilt sensor (sometimes an accelerometer) for the purpose of auto image rotation, motion-sensitive mini-games, and to correct shake when taking photographs." So buy yourself a new phone, you will get a watch and a tilt sensor for free. Frank. On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:41:11 +0100, Jez Cunningham wrote: >I've been looking for one of those to wear alongside my wrist-watch - what's >the point of... oh, ok, I'll resist...br >Jez > >On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Frank van Lindert wrote: >> >> On their sites you can find complete inclinometers as well. >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 21:34:25 2009 Received: (qmail 24154 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 20:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 20:34:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43EB5E18320 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D362E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2335D34AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:34:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC1134AC01E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rtomcala@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([173.67.40.169]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KG900BT0AGTTGHO@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:34:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49B57D3A.6050408@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:34:02 -0400 From: Rand E User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> <20090309170238.LZ9MM.318595.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 21:34:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b57d51126261470116606 States ? What? 3 months, 6 months, 9 months ? Mommy ? Ken Norton wrote: > Age 24-27 was pretty rarified air for me. Single and girlfriends in > multiple states. Hmm. That didn't sound right. > > Anyway, you get the idea... > > BTW, rule for tranquility: When you have two dates in one evening, make > sure that the second one begins at a different location than where the first > one ends. Invariably, the first date will go overtime and the second one > will arrive early. > > Second rule: Never reveal your true work location. Stalkers aren't fun. > > Third rule: Say the truth, not what you think they want to hear. You'll > never guess correctly what it is that they want to hear. > > Forth rule: Never take a girlfriend to the same "favorite spot" as you've > taken another girlfriend. You're bound to run into said girlfriend while on > the date. > > Fifth rule: Being married has it's issues, but life is much simpler. > > AG > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 03/09/09 07:14:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 21:39:56 2009 Received: (qmail 29629 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 20:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 20:39:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66567E18304 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40B6E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D976F34AC02E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:39:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8635034AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:39:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LgmGL-0002gO-K2 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:39:49 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LgmGL-0001bk-6B for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:39:49 +0000 Message-ID: <49B57E9C.4030202@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:39:56 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> <20090309170238.LZ9MM.318595.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> <49B57D3A.6050408@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <49B57D3A.6050408@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 21:39:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b57e9c49457350615338 Rand E wrote: > States ? What? 3 months, 6 months, 9 months ? Mommy ? > > LOL! First thing that came into my head, but I didn't stop laughing soon enough to post!! What does it say about us..? D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 22:08:45 2009 Received: (qmail 22238 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 21:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 21:08:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90570E18301 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D4BE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6493234AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:08:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F4534AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:08:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so1664804fxm.14 for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:08:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.228.19 with SMTP id f19mr2847064mur.18.1236632917177; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:08:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B57D3A.6050408@verizon.net> References: <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> <20090309170238.LZ9MM.318595.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> <49B57D3A.6050408@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:08:37 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8de00d6e06529edd Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 22:08:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5855d98191073733319 > > States ? What? 3 months, 6 months, 9 months ? Mommy ? > More like different states of infuriated. 1. Irritated with me, 2. Where's my gun--he's going to die. 3. Ken who? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 22:19:34 2009 Received: (qmail 18802 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 21:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 21:19:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4EDE182DA for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAFAE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F5E19F2FF for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:19:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3169E19F2FE for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:19:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jmalmstrom@mac.com whitelisted) Received: from asmtpout030.mac.com (asmtpout030.mac.com [17.148.16.105]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:19:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [172.28.2.12] (c-83-233-110-14.cust.bredband2.com [83.233.110.14]) by asmtp030.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KG9002LSCKCHJA0@asmtp030.mac.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:19:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=1.12.7400:2.4.4,1.2.40,4.0.166 definitions=2009-03-09_06:2009-03-05, 2009-03-09, 2009-03-09 signatures=0 Message-id: <752CE8CC-9589-4083-B649-EFE672E6BCE0@mac.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:19:12 +0100 References: <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> <20090309170238.LZ9MM.318595.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 22:19:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b587e6186771023412894 9 mar 2009 kl. 20.55 skrev Ken Norton: > Fifth rule: Being married has it's issues, but life is much simpler. Important and true. / Johan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 22:21:34 2009 Received: (qmail 31419 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 21:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 21:21:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F315CE18306 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40A6E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D234219F2FF for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:21:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544CE19F2FE for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:21:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0737446150F for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:41:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <1CEAA3E0-60FE-43EE-AC91-A228A41C4E42@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49B56ABB.9080309@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:21:27 +0000 References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <49B56ABB.9080309@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 22:21:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5885e253637927319144 Thanks, Chuck. That's erm exactly what I meant ... :-) Chris On 9 Mar 2009, at 19:15, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > He meant, of course, the the accelerometers are not suitable for > leveling boxes of paper products. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 22:22:53 2009 Received: (qmail 28470 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 21:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 21:22:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6071E182EC for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5D2E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE8819F305 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:22:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C727319F2FE for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:22:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DB146161A for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:42:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <0EE8C133-4566-4D8C-AC35-58A251D48354@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:22:46 +0000 References: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 22:22:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b588ad183561585427447 Hmm, that sounds as if you're saying that there's no gravity while it's not level. Chris On 9 Mar 2009, at 19:27, Paul Laughlin wrote: > The accelerometer essentially measures the force of the > acceleration, and > when not level, gravity provides that force. That is why a stable > platform > must be level so that gravity does not come into play. Paul in > Portland OR > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 23:31:47 2009 Received: (qmail 27077 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 22:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 22:31:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0261E18317 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08289E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1CD34AC02E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:31:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1DF34AC03C for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:31:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id R8Wi1b00c0x6nqcAAAXh0B; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:31:41 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RAXg1b00G2Axmu48YAXhr6; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:31:41 +0000 Message-ID: <8BCE89A303644093A5E44339E1F86192@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> <0EE8C133-4566-4D8C-AC35-58A251D48354@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <0EE8C133-4566-4D8C-AC35-58A251D48354@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:27:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 23:31:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b598d3135021234514069 No, Chris. What I am saying is that, when it is level, gravity has no effect on the accelerometer. At that point, it has zero force at either end and does not move. When tilted, gravity causes the weight to move. Just like water in a tube or a pan. Read the data at: Hopefully it will explain it. Grin Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > Hmm, that sounds as if you're saying that there's no gravity while > it's not level. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Mar 9 23:41:26 2009 Received: (qmail 23637 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 22:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 22:41:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E20E18310 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60323E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BFE34AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:41:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1A434AC01E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:41:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so1543486bwz.14 for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:41:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.244.4 with SMTP id w4mr2889801mur.11.1236638477968; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:41:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8BCE89A303644093A5E44339E1F86192@PaulPC> References: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> <0EE8C133-4566-4D8C-AC35-58A251D48354@threeshoes.net> <8BCE89A303644093A5E44339E1F86192@PaulPC> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:41:17 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 453f2163d0ba4494 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Mar 9 23:41:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b59b16154909347015869 So, what I want to know then, is whether the camera will know when the camera is level even though you are in an airplane flying in a coordinated turn. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 00:11:35 2009 Received: (qmail 13165 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 23:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 23:11:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C002EE18319 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4F5E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BDF19F40F for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:11:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8ADC19F3D2 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:11:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omls@zuik.net whitelisted) Received: from hosting335.com (hosting335.com [203.194.209.177]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23510 invoked by uid 504); 9 Mar 2009 23:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p5wdh-wzok2.zuik.net) (omls@98.118.121.81) by hosting335.com with ESMTPA; 9 Mar 2009 23:11:23 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090309190810.0243e810@zuik.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:09:34 -0400 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: ws In-Reply-To: <49B56980.7020801@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49B55493.6020307@interisland.net> <49B56980.7020801@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 00:11:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5a227160391993019900 Oh, I thought is just took multiple exposures using focus bracketing to combine into one high DOF image in the camera. No need to have but one aperture that way. Wayne At 03:09 PM 3/9/2009, you wrote: >I forgot to add that the image is actually a hologram which retains >depth information for the entire scene. Just dial in the required DOF >and the image will be softened accordingly with the most lovely bokeh. > >Chuck Norcutt > >Mike Lazzari wrote: >>> Then they can simply make fixed aperture f/4 lenses with no need to deal ... >> What about DOF? >> >> Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 00:55:30 2009 Received: (qmail 2695 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2009 23:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 23:55:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB125E182E6 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A754DE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BEC19F430 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:55:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12B019F24E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.86]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n29NtEDP017021 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:55:15 +1100 Message-Id: <200903092355.n29NtEDP017021@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:55:14 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:55:14 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 00:55:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5ac72286218512572685 > Ken Norton <> wrote: > > So, what I want to know then, is whether the camera will know when the > camera is level even though you are in an airplane flying in a > coordinated > turn. > "level" according to what frame of reference ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 01:34:06 2009 Received: (qmail 19158 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 00:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 00:34:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0D4E18316 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF345E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADFF34AC03C for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:33:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEBF34AC02E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:33:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27143 invoked by uid 504); 10 Mar 2009 00:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@71.76.196.135) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Mar 2009 00:33:57 -0000 Message-ID: <49B5B574.30605@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:33:56 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B55493.6020307@interisland.net> <49B56980.7020801@chucknorcutt.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090309190810.0243e810@zuik.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20090309190810.0243e810@zuik.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090309-0, 03/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 01:34:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5b57e194097350615338 Nah, that's old technology. :-) Chuck Norcutt ws wrote: > Oh, I thought is just took multiple exposures using focus bracketing > to combine into one high DOF image in the camera. No need to have > but one aperture that way. > > Wayne > > At 03:09 PM 3/9/2009, you wrote: >> I forgot to add that the image is actually a hologram which retains >> depth information for the entire scene. Just dial in the required DOF >> and the image will be softened accordingly with the most lovely bokeh. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Mike Lazzari wrote: >>>> Then they can simply make fixed aperture f/4 lenses with no need to deal ... >>> What about DOF? >>> >>> Mike > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 02:31:20 2009 Received: (qmail 14920 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 01:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 01:31:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DDAE182F9 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B34E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DAAE34AC03E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:31:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25BA34AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:31:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KG9005DYO80AKX1@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:31:12 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-165-168.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.165.168]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:31:10 -0300 Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:31:12 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <64705FF6892146ABA574208947359019@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkIOAHZftUkY4KWo/2dsb2JhbACBSIhSxmgHg34G X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,332,1233547200"; d="scan'208";a="294403496" References: <49B3B033.9080307@chucknorcutt.com> <4C47D2398D4B45DA827F57C9EE0F995C@hudson> <7A3AFBD5-0DC4-4729-AA19-0CB910D3D8A5@roadrunner.com> <36883AF0B1894FDE975D2CBD9D7CE287@SueHome> Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 02:31:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5c2e8176177350615338 in return for the camera the thieving bugg** probably had his finger and toe nails nails pulled out and was sent down for 25 years hard labour cracking rocks with a sledge hammer for 18 hours a day on a 1000 calories a day diet. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! > I'm sure the Australian first strike greeters would be polite but > they're too busy laughing at you all. > > As for the Germans - I remember my surprise in the the seventies > crossing from East to West Germany by train in Berlin and discovering > that the Eastern military were polite, friendly and cheerful at 1am > while the Western were surly and suspicious. So much for the propaganda. > In fact it was on that Trans-Siberian trip that one of our group > reported a camera stolen. At the next stop paramilitary police came > on board, went right through it, found the camera secreted in a > toilet and apologised profusely for their larcenous countryman. Now > that WAS a surprise. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 09/03/2009, at 1:49 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > >> I, too, have felt that our people, especially the TSA baggage >> people are the >> most rude. I have found the Brits, the Italians, the Spaniards and the >> Portugese to be most polite. The baggage people in Amsterdam have been >> exceptional. >> >> I can't say so much for the Germans. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 02:44:35 2009 Received: (qmail 29305 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 01:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 01:44:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD85DE18308 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3B1E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759FC34AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:44:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F216134AC01E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:44:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KG900BACOU491O1@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:44:28 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-165-168.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.165.168]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:44:28 -0300 Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:44:28 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlsOAEditUkY4KWo/2dsb2JhbACBSIhSiV29BQeDfgY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,332,1233547200"; d="scan'208";a="479626011" References: <3B5FB7AF-AC88-4029-8D06-543D170BAEBE@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Print your next image on paper made from Wombat sh*t X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 02:44:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5c603314591869477228 ............better than going to Pakistan for a Test Match series ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Print your next image on paper made from Wombat sh*t > Damn right - staying up nights watching the cricket (Johnson takes > three S'African wickets and puts two other batsmen in > hospital...we're baaaaack!) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 09/03/2009, at 5:28 AM, USHER99@aol.com wrote: > >> A bit testy today, Andrew? You expect a poor 'Murkin to SPELL a >> colloquialism correctly 7 years later? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 02:50:00 2009 Received: (qmail 27127 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 01:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 01:49:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B1AE182F7 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E157BE24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E6034AC01E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:49:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5573534AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:49:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KG9003BSP3517Z0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:49:53 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-165-168.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.165.168]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:49:53 -0300 Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:49:53 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <69A2AFC103C04416BF681DA982F93AA8@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkIOACdktUkY4KWo/2dsb2JhbACBSIhSuHgJjVwHgj8OgTEG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,332,1233547200"; d="scan'208";a="294413092" References: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> <49B50DAE.1070607@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 02:50:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5c748170698512572685 I didn't know that RAF pilots flew wearing peaked hats !! Nice photo Chris. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Visitor to our garden > Nice capture Chris. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Chris Barker wrote: >> This fine chap came to our garden today and gave himself a dustbath. >> Pheasants are amazingly thick, I understand, but they look beautiful >> and this chap posed, momentarily in front of a similarly coloured >> plant pot. >> >> http://bit.ly/16TQmh >> >> E-3 with 12-60; and notwithstanding the current discussions about >> wonderful lenses, and whether or not the 12-60 is hardy enough for Pro >> use, this combination is excellent. >> >> Chris > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 04:49:25 2009 Received: (qmail 3590 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 03:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 03:49:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E1DE1831C for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A34E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1B234AC031 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:49:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0493934AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:49:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29943 invoked by uid 502); 10 Mar 2009 03:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.172.183) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Mar 2009 03:49:15 -0000 Message-ID: <49B5E330.6070507@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:49:04 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> <5607E0CE7EBE4533B28E13922019DA2B@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <5607E0CE7EBE4533B28E13922019DA2B@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 04:49:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5e345221691342116753 Piers Hemy wrote: > Meaning "followed up by Olympus"? That it wasn't so followed up is explained by the fact that it was a Canyon IS system to which Olympus bought a licence on a $x per body basis. Thus the C-2100UZ was a one-off "stopgap". > I had thought that the whole lens was from Canon. Zoom and aperture ranges were identical to the comparable Canon camera. Designing a whole lens around someone else's IS design for just one camera sounds crazy. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 05:11:38 2009 Received: (qmail 13856 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 04:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 04:11:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC34E1830B for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63271E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0B619F685 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:11:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF9919F683 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:11:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mark.marrlyon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1149036ywk.80 for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:11:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.31.8 with SMTP id e8mr1275155age.30.1236658291125; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:11:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:11:31 -0600 Message-ID: From: Mark Marr-Lyon To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 05:11:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5e87a295891023412894 The term accelerometer is a bit misleading. It's probably better to think of them as force meters, since they are actually measuring the force on a known mass that is required to keep the mass from moving relative to the rest of the system. Ok, that sounds a little confusing, but I think it makes sense :) The force is then divided by the value of the known mass to give an acceleration. Each accelerometer is ideally sensitive along only one axis, so if it is stationary in the earth's gravitational field with the axis of the sensor along the gravitational field, it will read 1g, since that is the force needed to keep the mass stationary divided by the mass. If the axis of the sensor is perpendicular to the gravitational field, it will read 0g, since there is no force required to keep the mass stationary in the direction that the sensor is sensitive. If the sensor is in free fall it will also read 0g because even though the sensor is accelerating the mass is being accelerated at exactly the same rate and again no force is required by the sensor itself to keep the mass stationary with respect to the sensor. The problem is that there is no way to measure the difference between an object in a gravitational field of 9.8 m/s^2 and one that is in an elevator being accelerated in free space at a rate of 9.8 m/s^2. This is known as the equivalence principle and is at the heart of general relativity. All inertial navigation systems have to have some way to subtract the earth's gravitational field in order to give the right answer. I hope that made some amount of sense. Mark On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > No, that doesn't persuade me, Piers :-). The position, such as lat > and long, are not important, but the level/not level position is. And > the accelerometers won't give any information when there is no > movement, whatever their relative positions or orientations. You need > a gyro-stabilised platform to give level. > > I'm about to buy an iPhone which has accelerometers; perhaps that will > persuade me. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 06:16:38 2009 Received: (qmail 8585 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 05:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 05:16:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6135CE182E6 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B749E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0721934AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:16:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC30C34AC01E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:16:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50383 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LguKO-0007AL-CP for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:16:32 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:16:30 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mexico 1/2 Mile! Thread-Index: AcmhP16qnTsXoA0yEd6Z1QAKlchBUg== Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: [OM] Mexico 1/2 Mile! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 06:16:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5f7b6315921838542571 Back in January, I was driving along US 31 in rural Miami County, Indiana when I saw a huge arrow-shaped sign pointing down a country road. The sign read: MEXICO 1/2 MILE. Check it out: http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com/ The arrow sign and the fire department were shot on OM gear. Both OM-4T and 35mm f2 Zuiko on Tmax 400. The Insurance agency was shot on a later visit to the town, last month, using my Voigtlander Bessa R2 and 50mm f1.5 Nokton, also on Tmax 400. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 06:21:18 2009 Received: (qmail 14554 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 05:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 05:21:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE98DE182EB for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D92E24127 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D9E34AC02E for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:21:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9FF634AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:21:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15530 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2009 05:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 05:21:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> <20090309170238.LZ9MM.318595.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:21:05 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 06:21:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b5f8ce15389347015869 I lived in London in the late sixties. I don't think the word commitment had been invented at that point, or at least it had been forgotten for a while. A loose network of intimate relationships was the norm in my circles. It sounds Utopian these days. Some fond memories indeed and very uncomplicated but I wouldn't have the stamina for it now, never mind the opportunity. But damn, I miss it sometimes. And a darker view from a melancholic moment while revisiting... http://www.pbase.com/afildes/london_again Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/03/2009, at 6:55 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Age 24-27 was pretty rarified air for me. Single and girlfriends in > multiple states. Hmm. That didn't sound right. > > Anyway, you get the idea... > > BTW, rule for tranquility: When you have two dates in one evening, > make > sure that the second one begins at a different location than where > the first > one ends. Invariably, the first date will go overtime and the > second one > will arrive early. > > Second rule: Never reveal your true work location. Stalkers > aren't fun. > > Third rule: Say the truth, not what you think they want to hear. > You'll > never guess correctly what it is that they want to hear. > > Forth rule: Never take a girlfriend to the same "favorite spot" as > you've > taken another girlfriend. You're bound to run into said girlfriend > while on > the date. > > Fifth rule: Being married has it's issues, but life is much simpler. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 07:14:39 2009 Received: (qmail 15556 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 06:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 06:14:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01537E18312 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5724BE24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D7E19F74B for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:14:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADFE19F742 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:14:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp04.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp04.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 140.red-83-39-84.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.39.84.140]:64145 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay04.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.44]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1LgvER-0003CF-Dd (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:14:27 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Picture a Day discussion group , Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:14:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: a gruelling match of petanque X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 07:14:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6054f317851529615919 Last weekend, my French uncle came to visit, joining my American uncle who was already here. So as is our custom, we staged a match of petanque, which was won by the French side. But it was closely fought and in the end all three of us were winners because we were together and had a good time: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/7561180_HAEz4#488606861_T3Jn3 Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 07:34:27 2009 Received: (qmail 20472 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 06:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 06:34:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C43E18301 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D90FE24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2995634AC029 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:34:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7472134AC02D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:34:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49642461514 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:54:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <2498D57E-D637-4DA0-96E4-E3D479EBBA5E@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <69A2AFC103C04416BF681DA982F93AA8@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:34:17 +0000 References: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> <49B50DAE.1070607@verizon.net> <69A2AFC103C04416BF681DA982F93AA8@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [OM] Well OT Hawk, was Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 07:34:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b609f3108451234514069 Heh! He was just there for the publicity shot. The Hawker Siddeley Hawk was the first big trainer procurement for many years, replacing the Gnat in the RAF's Advanced Training School. But there were also plans to sell it to other countries' air forces, including the USN (http://bit.ly/UWxG ) and to use it as a light attack aircraft with bombs. There have been derivative etc ... Anyway, it was a very important new buy, it worked, it was cheap and 3 of us were on the first Hawk course to teach ab initio students to fly fast. http://threeshoes-photo.blogspot.com/ Therefore it was newsworthy: one of our number was the first to fly an instructional sortie, for which there was a photocall; I was the first to go solo, cue another photocall. I'm the only member of the course still to be serving: Graham died while displaying the Hawk at Bratislava while a test pilot for BAe (http://bit.ly/5kzUQ), whereas Tim is an airline pilot, I believe. Chris On 10 Mar 2009, at 01:49, John Hudson wrote: > > I didn't know that RAF pilots flew wearing peaked hats !! Nice photo > Chris. > > jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 07:36:11 2009 Received: (qmail 3578 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 06:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 06:36:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B02E18302 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94DFE24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A357419F770 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:36:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B52219F76A for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:36:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B860461514 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:56:03 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <736D27AE-3A5D-4102-A50D-FADEB2F23884@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8BCE89A303644093A5E44339E1F86192@PaulPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:36:04 +0000 References: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> <0EE8C133-4566-4D8C-AC35-58A251D48354@threeshoes.net> <8BCE89A303644093A5E44339E1F86192@PaulPC> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 07:36:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b60a5b1001591313764 The article doesn't really help, but that idea might ... Chris On 9 Mar 2009, at 22:27, Paul Laughlin wrote: > No, Chris. What I am saying is that, when it is level, gravity has no > effect on the accelerometer. At that point, it has zero force at > either end > and does not move. When tilted, gravity causes the weight to move. > Just > like water in a tube or a pan. Read the data at: > > Hopefully it will explain it. Grin -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 07:37:10 2009 Received: (qmail 14819 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 06:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 06:37:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CE4E182E6 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DE4E24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0F919F774 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:37:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEA119F772 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:37:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B9A461514 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:57:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <897FBCAD-DB02-41E1-81BE-D9E3115AC3E7@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:37:05 +0000 References: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> <0EE8C133-4566-4D8C-AC35-58A251D48354@threeshoes.net> <8BCE89A303644093A5E44339E1F86192@PaulPC> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 07:37:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b60a96313971035110158 Good point; you mean that it would be useless as a component in an artificial horizon or attitude indicator. Chris On 9 Mar 2009, at 22:41, Ken Norton wrote: > So, what I want to know then, is whether the camera will know when the > camera is level even though you are in an airplane flying in a > coordinated > turn. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 07:40:50 2009 Received: (qmail 22199 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 06:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 06:40:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C617E182FD for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4741E24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A653F19F755 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:40:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1D919F73C for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:40:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A357461568 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:00:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:40:44 +0000 References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 07:40:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b60b7278991073733319 That sounds reasonable, thanks, Mark. All IN systems have to guess at their position on the earth before being aligned. They need this to know what the angular acceleration should be so as to erect the platform level. Presumably the local gravitational force is part of the erection and alighnment process. Just before I left the F16, the platforms were stabilised with ring- laser gyros. They were fantastic machines! Chris On 10 Mar 2009, at 04:11, Mark Marr-Lyon wrote: > The problem is that there is no way to measure the difference > between an > object in a gravitational field of 9.8 m/s^2 and one that is in an > elevator being accelerated in free space at a rate of 9.8 m/s^2. > This is > known as the equivalence principle and is at the heart of general > relativity. All inertial navigation systems have to have some way to > subtract the earth's gravitational field in order to give the right > answer. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 07:42:14 2009 Received: (qmail 9134 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 06:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 06:42:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C654E18311 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5111E24122 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FCD1CD48A for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:42:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DED1CD482 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:42:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so1209738tid.10 for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.110.3.15 with SMTP id 15mr10583506tic.0.1236667326648; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?127.0.0.1? (124-171-141-190.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.171.141.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 25sm91201tif.12.2009.03.09.23.42.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49B60BAD.2030903@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:41:49 +1000 From: Marc Lawrence User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> <20090309170238.LZ9MM.318595.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 07:42:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b60bc6247751993019900 Andrew Fildes wrote: > I lived in London in the late sixties. I don't think the word > commitment had been invented at that point, or at least it had been > forgotten for a while. A loose network of intimate relationships was > the norm in my circles. It sounds Utopian these days. Dylan Moran (born 1971 to my 1970) does a line about sexual mores through different generations in one of his stand-up routines. It goes, "When it came to my generation it was, "DON'T F**K ANYONE OR YOU'LL DIE!"". Your "Utopian", yes, I can maybe see that (in a Brave New World way?) and so I recall from a different time that at age 23, in Sydney, and two years into a "commitment" (now 18), the close proximity of sex and death wasn't always for me just about an incurable disease informed loudly in copywrit symbolism, and I remember that time as being one in which I didn't have the will to off myself, even though I self-indulgently tortured myself with the inclination. Then again, perhaps "a loose network of intimate relationships" is not compatible with my apparent neurotic introversion, which might prefer "anonymous" to "intimate" if ever it was unconstrained by my singular, emotional dependency. No, I was not fond of 23, nor much of my twenties beyond it (though my twenties before were quite wonderful), and I was certainly not fond of the awkward pain and claustrophobia of the teenage years. My thirties have been eventful, with a string of the inevitable tragedies of age and disease amongst family, and a sea change, informing the decade's otherwise generally comfortable mediocrity. I still hold hope for my slow-coming 40's, though sometimes I think contentment is barely even trying to fight the battle against cynicism, meloncholy and a desire for hermitage, though it at least seems to have curmudgeony by the neck and is dragging its thus-enforced silence down with it. Yes, now, come to think about it, I believe Watanabe was quite right - 12 was quite enough for me, but I'll concede a special and significant highlight for me at 21 too. > Some fond memories indeed and very uncomplicated but I wouldn't have > the stamina for it now, never mind the opportunity. But damn, I miss > it sometimes. And a darker view from a melancholic moment while > revisiting... > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/london_again I'm aware of some few of your writings outside of this list, but I still remain surprised by them. Thanks. Cheers, Marc -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 09:33:34 2009 Received: (qmail 22006 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 08:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 08:33:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E56E18300 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA922E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A1619DBD4 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:33:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D7219DBCC for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:33:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so1780306fxm.14 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:33:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.219.8 with SMTP id r8mr3129370mug.10.1236674006583; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:33:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <25tar4d34ek37qm4hhmqcf83brrp901oj5@4ax.com> References: <9f07ac840903091241q60810239yff38812405c5d1d6@mail.gmail.com> <25tar4d34ek37qm4hhmqcf83brrp901oj5@4ax.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:33:26 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ea8bd1138fcc16b1 Message-ID: <9f07ac840903100133s532d93c6me084e3c06f9be925@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 09:33:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b625de252542070262475 Hi frank, Apologies for poor joke, based on http://tinyurl.com/4fhr4p mvg Jez >I've been looking for one of those to wear alongside my wrist-watch - what's >the point of... oh, ok, I'll resist...br On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Frank van Lindert wrote: > Jez, do you mean your watch hasn't an inclinometer built in? > What a shame! > > Wikipedia writes: > "As of January 2009, almost all new mobile phones and digital cameras > contain at least a tilt sensor (sometimes an accelerometer) for the > purpose of auto image rotation, motion-sensitive mini-games, and to > correct shake when taking photographs." > > So buy yourself a new phone, you will get a watch and a tilt sensor > for free. > > Frank. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 09:58:14 2009 Received: (qmail 16560 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 08:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 08:58:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B34E182DF for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559D6E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D3D19DC56 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:58:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AB119DC4A for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:58:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n2A8w339004857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:58:04 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <828F4902EAF945BA839BE52D74D0061C@PaulPC> <0EE8C133-4566-4D8C-AC35-58A251D48354@threeshoes.net> <8BCE89A303644093A5E44339E1F86192@PaulPC> <897FBCAD-DB02-41E1-81BE-D9E3115AC3E7@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <897FBCAD-DB02-41E1-81BE-D9E3115AC3E7@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:57:55 +1100 Message-ID: <000601c9a15e$4e4014b0$eac03e10$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcmhSqQg3lalaxaYQy2XHIrDUyVKpAAE4tNA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 09:58:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b62ba6197991946193717 So how do these work - gyroscope ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [] Good point; you mean that it would be useless as a component in an artificial horizon or attitude indicator. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 10:08:34 2009 Received: (qmail 27213 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 09:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 09:08:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE53E182EC for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00062E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C8234AC02D for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:08:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB5534AC029 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:08:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (mail.bbp.ch [193.73.134.71]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ronald.localdomain (unverified) by mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.3.2) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:08:17 +0100 Received: from ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local (unknown [172.22.111.60]) by ronald.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477245D04 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:08:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49B62E09.6070700@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:08:25 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1F1AA11D-F6F4-4304-A72F-442BEE5A8EDC@threeshoes.net> <49B50DAE.1070607@verizon.net> <69A2AFC103C04416BF681DA982F93AA8@hudson> <2498D57E-D637-4DA0-96E4-E3D479EBBA5E@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <2498D57E-D637-4DA0-96E4-E3D479EBBA5E@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Well OT Hawk, was Visitor to our garden X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 10:08:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b62e12243251035110158 Hi Chris, I noted that Graham was at warton for a while and flying tornados, so I think its highly likely that my belated step father knew him, just phoned my mother to see if his signature was on the signed tornando photo given to him when he retired, but it wasn't. Ian W > still to be serving: Graham died while displaying the Hawk at > Bratislava while a test pilot for BAe (http://bit.ly/5kzUQ), whereas > Tim is an airline pilot, I believe. > > Chris > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 12:56:11 2009 Received: (qmail 19599 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 11:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 11:56:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D00AE182F9 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B13E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C2434AC025 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:56:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFA034AC01E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:56:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.154]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1202999ywk.80 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:56:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.67.11 with SMTP id u11mr4339221ank.145.1236686162946; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:56:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:56:02 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903100456g16cd2bf1qf9e174055efcb85d@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: a gruelling match of petanque X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 12:56:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6555b40197927319144 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Last weekend, my French uncle came to visit, joining my American uncle > who was already here. So as is our custom, we staged a match of > petanque, which was won by the French side. But it was closely fought > and in the end all three of us were winners because we were together > and had a good time: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/7561180_HAEz4#488606861_T3Jn3 Charming, Nathan. Thanks! Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 13:10:43 2009 Received: (qmail 11362 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 12:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 12:10:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1C4E182E8 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED9FE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC14719E135 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:10:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E94019E115 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:10:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so1842661fxm.14 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:10:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.90.17 with SMTP id s17mr3218480mul.73.1236687033893; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:10:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:10:33 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bb1bd3b24710d371 Message-ID: <9f07ac840903100510p22906dd6ke005ca172920251f@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: a gruelling match of petanque X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 13:10:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b658c3149691342116753 Nice! 'Perfidious' - wow! br jez On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Last weekend, my French uncle came to visit, joining my American uncle > who was already here. So as is our custom, we staged a match of > petanque, which was won by the French side. But it was closely fought > and in the end all three of us were winners because we were together > and had a good time: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/7561180_HAEz4#488606861_T3Jn3 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 13:56:05 2009 Received: (qmail 20452 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 12:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 12:56:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452C6E182E1 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C69E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC1634AC025 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:55:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3688534AC01E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:55:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mark.marrlyon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.156]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so1211155yxh.80 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:55:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.31.8 with SMTP id e8mr1329072age.30.1236689758600; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:55:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net> References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:55:58 -0600 Message-ID: From: Mark Marr-Lyon To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 13:56:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6636586291023412894 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > That sounds reasonable, thanks, Mark. All IN systems have to guess at > their position on the earth before being aligned. They need this to > know what the angular acceleration should be so as to erect the > platform level. Presumably the local gravitational force is part of > the erection and alighnment process. > Yes, though the gravitational force must also be compensated for at all times during the trip - hence the gyros so that you know which way is up and can subtract it properly. The initial location (and velocity) of the system only needs to be set at the beginning. Just before I left the F16, the platforms were stabilised with ring- > laser gyros. They were fantastic machines! > I can only imagine! When you get your iPhone, you'll find that there are several IN-type applications available for it that will allow you to do things like measure the 0-60 mph acceleration time and cornering performance of a vehicle. While these are kind of neat, they aren't quite in the same league as the F16 :) Mark -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 16:32:04 2009 Received: (qmail 30319 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 15:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 15:32:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFFA4E1831D for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A0DE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63F834AC032 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:31:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B69234AC025 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:31:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:31:56 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2AFVrvs019253 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:31:55 GMT Message-ID: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:31:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 16:32:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b687f4174691234514069 This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html Thanks, Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 16:50:24 2009 Received: (qmail 31954 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 15:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 15:50:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A639E182F4 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76771E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D0134AC025 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:50:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B9034AC028 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:50:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rlovison@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0104.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm0207.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0104.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4947F499113 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:05:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm0207 Received: by dm0207.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 049c513f) id dm0207.49a7ffd5.d05c59 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:50:13 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQMZKi9Jtow1SCztwgIAAAAB,68602fc2b8b49e8a95d008f44ee788db Message-ID: <49B68C44.3090107@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:50:28 -0400 From: Richard Lovison User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090309-0, 03/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 16:50:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b68c40252911823421471 Jim, I think it is quite nice. I like the overall composition, the detail in the flowers and the contrast provided by the white flowers and the dark green and brown colors of the leaves. It probably got a cool reception as flower shots are so prevalent and people bore easily... especially nowadays. Richard -- Richard Lovison Photography http://www.richardlovison.com Jim Nichols wrote: > This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception > on another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html > > Thanks, > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 16:52:47 2009 Received: (qmail 1144 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 15:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 15:52:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94ACFE1830E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C81E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E822534AC027 for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 16:52:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b68ccf5841838542571 Mark wrote: I can only imagine!=A0 When you get your iPhone, you'll find that there are several IN-type applications available for it that will allow you to do things like measure the 0-60 mph acceleration time and cornering performance of a vehicle.=A0 While these are kind of neat, they aren't quite in the same league as the F16 :) =A0 =A0 Boris' thoughts: =A0 But for the love of whatever you believe in, do not rely on the info that c= omes from your iPhone if your life depended on it...:) =A0 It is good for ignorant gadget geeks, has very high wow factor I admit, but= as you know, you get what you pay for. =A0 Last year I architected and later integrated a command and control system o= n a catamaran used as an unmanned vehicle to help the coast guard patrol th= e waters off of=A0HI and monitor the illegal fishing activities. =A0 The INU I picked barely covered the requirements, it came at the hefty pric= e of $8700, it had an active GPS antenna (at additional cost).=A0 Its outpu= t of course was raw and it did not include the forementioned apps, which ha= d to be written later.=A0 It was a shiny 8X8X8 cm golden cube...very flashy= , but unable to measure the 0-60 mph acceleration time and cornering perfor= mance...:) B. =A0 P.S.=A0 The system was first to feature satellite communications (pat, pat.= ..:) =A0 = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 16:54:58 2009 Received: (qmail 916 invoked by uid 0); 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I appreciate the comments. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lovison" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > Jim, > > I think it is quite nice. I like the overall composition, the detail in > the flowers and the contrast provided by the white flowers and the dark > green and brown colors of the leaves. > > It probably got a cool reception as flower shots are so prevalent and > people bore easily... especially nowadays. > > Richard > > -- > Richard Lovison Photography > http://www.richardlovison.com > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception >> on another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 17:14:52 2009 Received: (qmail 24314 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 16:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 16:14:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C49E18324 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50FBE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B556B19E77D for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:14:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E09119E7A4 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:14:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBA8461423 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:34:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <43F44A26-0FC0-4596-864F-65077BBE79A6@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <11455.74268.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:14:45 +0000 References: <11455.74268.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 17:14:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b691fc8051035110158 Boris Thanks, but I've spent my life questioning gizmos. I learned quite a few years ago that you need more than one bit of evidence to stake your life on something :-) The first aircraft I flew had a particularly unreliable IN platform (Jaguar) and you had to have a good idea where you were to use it effectively. And it would sometimes crash, leaving you with no electric map or HUD. In addition, you could easily bugger up the whole system by inputting a duff position. And it wasn't only the azimuth that could be wrong; the height channel, essential for accurate bombing had to be used with caution. Chris On 10 Mar 2009, at 15:52, Willie Wonka wrote: > Boris' thoughts: > > But for the love of whatever you believe in, do not rely on the info > that comes from your iPhone if your life depended on it...:) > > It is good for ignorant gadget geeks, has very high wow factor I > admit, but as you know, you get what you pay for. > > Last year I architected and later integrated a command and control > system on a catamaran used as an unmanned vehicle to help the coast > guard patrol the waters off of HI and monitor the illegal fishing > activities. > > The INU I picked barely covered the requirements, it came at the > hefty price of $8700, it had an active GPS antenna (at additional > cost). Its output of course was raw and it did not include the > forementioned apps, which had to be written later. It was a shiny > 8X8X8 cm golden cube...very flashy, but unable to measure the 0-60 > mph acceleration time and cornering performance...:) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 17:16:09 2009 Received: (qmail 7217 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 16:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 16:16:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC68E18309 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B18E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026F334AC028 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB6534AC025 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:16:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1895D461532 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:36:03 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <4D7FA706-104C-42B0-A740-5F2B8A9D238E@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:16:03 +0000 References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 17:16:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6924922761591313764 They're lovely flowers, Jim, and the composition treats them well. Perhaps they didn't like the little shadows; or perhaps they're fussy ... Chris On 10 Mar 2009, at 15:31, Jim Nichols wrote: > This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception > on another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 17:19:51 2009 Received: (qmail 2515 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 16:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 16:19:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E038FE182E4 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B2EE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F1534AC025 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:19:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536DA34AC02C for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:19:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4722461586 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:39:37 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:19:38 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: a gruelling match of petanque X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 17:19:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b69327167498512572685 Great fun, Nathan. The sportmanlike embrace at the end is the best shot, but they're all good. Chris On 10 Mar 2009, at 06:14, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Last weekend, my French uncle came to visit, joining my American uncle > who was already here. So as is our custom, we staged a match of > petanque, which was won by the French side. But it was closely fought > and in the end all three of us were winners because we were together > and had a good time: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/7561180_HAEz4#488606861_T3Jn3 > > Nathan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 17:23:22 2009 Received: (qmail 20683 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B464DE18311 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C42E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9272434AC02E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:23:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E33634AC025 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:23:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:23:12 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2AGMwUV017930 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:23:00 GMT Message-ID: <38A8DE8471F24C8995BF755F55A77FA2@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <4D7FA706-104C-42B0-A740-5F2B8A9D238E@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:23:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 17:23:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b693fa271091035110158 Thanks, Chris. I have enjoyed your stories from your military experiences. My own flying was in small stuff, 250HP or less, but I spent a career in developing, utilizing and supporting the test facilities at the Arnold Engineering Development Center here in the US. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > They're lovely flowers, Jim, and the composition treats them well. > Perhaps they didn't like the little shadows; or perhaps they're > fussy ... > > Chris > > > On 10 Mar 2009, at 15:31, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception >> on another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 17:27:32 2009 Received: (qmail 29154 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 16:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 16:27:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B572DE182EE for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434D3E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332B719E7DA for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:27:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E6819E7D2 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:27:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1559B2D91A11 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:27:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zWs+sRW82IOT for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D377B2D91A02 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <91D77FDE-DDB6-41F3-AE6C-D25B56D23F19@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:27:21 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] don't say please ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 17:27:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b694f4317351946193717 > From: Mike Lazzari > > Locally we are subject to this all the time even though we don't cross > the border. The border patrol sets up random spot checks. Woa, sounds like a case for Posse Comitatus. These goons should not be operating within the US borders! Just saw the indy film "Kill The Messenger." Scary stuff, when a Justice Department whistle-blower can be gagged and denied access to the court system by... the Justice Department. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds Who's watching the watchers? :::: Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power. -- Benito Mussolini :::: Jan Steinman -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 17:30:41 2009 Received: (qmail 1492 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 16:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 16:30:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35041E182F4 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D56E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2A534AC01E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:30:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74ABF34AC027 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:30:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mwalters@rogers.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.80]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 63287 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2009 16:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mwalters@99.241.188.157 with plain) by smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 16:30:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: p5_4KEEVM1kuIruw3p4JzGuFSoddV3Kp7WFWlYc7BvujYeTzJKS4gpDpZKYFc_4HHg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <49B695AA.5020601@rogers.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:30:34 -0400 From: Martin Walters User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Black Pen FT bodies - real or ersatz X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 17:30:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b695b19225368819438 I've resisted buying a black FT, because of the price premium, and because I'd read (somewhere)that black bodies are easily faked. Lot of $$ for nothing, if it's a fake. This listing on Eb*y (160320350973)complicates things further. While the finish looks excellent, it seems to me that it makes buying a genuine black body in really good condition a crap shoot. Are there any ways to tell genuine from repro? Martin -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 17:54:21 2009 Received: (qmail 27167 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 16:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 16:54:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06788E1830F for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1BBE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C4A19E840 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:54:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE39C19E824 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090310165412.RAMU12334.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:54:12 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:54:10 -0400 References: <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> <20090309170238.LZ9MM.318595.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 17:54:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b69b3d152265368819438 Very well done, Andrew. A bit on the dark side, for sure, but well done. Melancholy that doesn't submerge into sentimentalism is to be treasured and enjoyed. (Even if enjoying melancholy seems a bit of a contradiction in terms.) --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 10, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > And a darker view from a melancholic > moment while revisiting... > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/london_again > Andrew Fildes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 17:56:51 2009 Received: (qmail 31096 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 16:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 16:56:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9131EE182EF for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B9FE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D508D34AC02B for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:56:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C4E34AC027 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:56:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090310165645.VKRK7442.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:56:45 +0000 Message-Id: <5813FFE8-DAB3-4787-97B9-7414FD3B0168@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:56:45 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: a gruelling match of petanque X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 17:56:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b69bd346631946193717 Excellent, as always. Petanque, as you show it, seems a bit like high- tech, chromed boche. Similar game, different name? --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 10, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Last weekend, my French uncle came to visit, joining my American uncle > who was already here. So as is our custom, we staged a match of > petanque, which was won by the French side. But it was closely fought > and in the end all three of us were winners because we were together > and had a good time: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/7561180_HAEz4#488606861_T3Jn3 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 18:03:05 2009 Received: (qmail 26295 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 17:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 17:03:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5388E182ED for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB85E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1475F19E880 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:02:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE25E19E879 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:02:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RPLV1b0090FhH24A4V2yPy; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:02:58 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RV2y1b0072Axmu48UV2yXd; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:02:58 +0000 Message-ID: <506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:02:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 18:03:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b69d48273401499373980 The inertial guidance systems do not guess at all. Even the system in the B-58, which, incidentally was analog, used an astrotracker to determine position on earth. I am sure that, today, they use GPS. There was also input from a fluxgate compass so that the platform had a north reference. The gyro-stabilized table is erected to be gravitationally level and pointing to North. At this point there is zero static (gravitational) acceleration. Now the gyroscopes maintain the platform at this position. The aircraft rotates about it. Any movement of the aircraft then effects the accelerometers. There are correction factors that are necessary such as coriolis effect and others, which are taken into consideration, of course. You can get aircraft pitch, roll and azimuth position by checking the aircraft attitude in reference to that stable platform. The B-58 system was pretty much a pioneer in Inertial Guidance for aircraft. My primary responsibility was the in shop maintenance of the gyro-stabilization and astrotracker systems. Troubleshooting and repair. That was in the B-58 Test Force and later in the 43rd Bomb Wing. As a completely useless piece of info, the B-58 was a maintenance man's nightmare. Required something like 1000 hours of maintenance to get 1 hour of flying time. It did set several speed records, though. Won the Bleriot Trophy, and then while flying to the Paris Air Show to receive it, set a speed record from New York to Paris. Still stands, as far as I know. The Inertial Guidance systems are very much more sophisticated these days, but the principles are pretty much the same. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > That sounds reasonable, thanks, Mark. All IN systems have to guess at > their position on the earth before being aligned. They need this to > know what the angular acceleration should be so as to erect the > platform level. Presumably the local gravitational force is part of > the erection and alighnment process. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 18:47:57 2009 Received: (qmail 30953 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 17:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 17:47:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F9DE182E9 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AB3E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEFE19E90E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:47:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370F719E99C for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:47:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED103C96AE for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:10:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <7E4A67D8-65E2-40A2-8A03-7D2C2AE6B1A7@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:47:48 +0000 References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net> <506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 18:47:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6a7cd214631946193717 Sorry, Paul, I should have written "estimate". I reckon the system starts off with an estimate of position (and true north), gained from the astrotracker (must have been a pioneer system!) to adjust the expected angular acceleration. As the alignment progresses, this estimate is refined to improve accuracy. They do use GPS now, but even that will be an estimate, however accurate, to get the system going. Of course, it's possible that the GPS position is integral to the whole nav system so the alignment can be almost instant, but I have not heard of any instant alignments giving best system accuracy. To illustrate, admittedly with experience from 20 years ago and before GPS integration, the wonderful system in the F16 (Block 32) allowed for a 15 minute align before good accuracy was achieved, even with the RLG platform. But best system accuracy was achieved with an interrupted align: stop the align once it was complete, then taxi and stop at 90deg to the original heading and put it back into align. Then when you were ready to depart, put it into Nav again and it would be truly SH. The Tornados I flew had GPS but it wasn't part of the alignment system; you used GPS to provide updates during a flight to counter the IN platform's wander, as an alternative to fixes off the ground. The Hustler might have been a nightmare to maintain, but it was a gorgeous aircraft. I remember making a model when I was about 12-14. Chris On 10 Mar 2009, at 17:02, Paul Laughlin wrote: > The inertial guidance systems do not guess at all. Even the system > in the > B-58, which, incidentally was analog, used an astrotracker to > determine > position on earth. I am sure that, today, they use GPS. There was > also > input from a fluxgate compass so that the platform had a north > reference. > The gyro-stabilized table is erected to be gravitationally level and > pointing to North. At this point there is zero static (gravitational) > acceleration. Now the gyroscopes maintain the platform at this > position. > The aircraft rotates about it. Any movement of the aircraft then > effects > the accelerometers. There are correction factors that are necessary > such as > coriolis effect and others, which are taken into consideration, of > course. > You can get aircraft pitch, roll and azimuth position by checking the > aircraft attitude in reference to that stable platform. > The B-58 system was pretty much a pioneer in Inertial Guidance for > aircraft. > My primary responsibility was the in shop maintenance of the > gyro-stabilization and astrotracker systems. Troubleshooting and > repair. > That was in the B-58 Test Force and later in the 43rd Bomb Wing. As a > completely useless piece of info, the B-58 was a maintenance man's > nightmare. Required something like 1000 hours of maintenance to get > 1 hour > of flying time. It did set several speed records, though. Won the > Bleriot > Trophy, and then while flying to the Paris Air Show to receive it, > set a > speed record from New York to Paris. Still stands, as far as I know. > The Inertial Guidance systems are very much more sophisticated these > days, > but the principles are pretty much the same. > Paul in Portland OR -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 18:51:39 2009 Received: (qmail 28231 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 17:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 17:51:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAC1E182E7 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE1FE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39CF3610006 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:51:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2A5361800E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:51:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from juliette.telenet-ops.be (juliette.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.74]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([81.164.152.194]) by juliette.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id RVrY1b00B4BukHM06VrYKk; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:51:32 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49B695AA.5020601@rogers.com> References: <49B695AA.5020601@rogers.com> Message-Id: From: Iwert Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:51:30 +0100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: [OM] OT: anybody experienced with LX-3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 18:51:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6a8ab210611035110158 Has anybody on the list used the Panasonic LX-3 or Leica Digilux 4? What are the experiences, image quality, handling & build quality? Thanks for any input... Iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 18:54:15 2009 Received: (qmail 5204 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 17:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 17:54:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62179E182EF for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6CEE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7E019E9F2 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:54:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B0919E9E3 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:54:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36E2C96DC for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:17:03 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <8902AA6D-FB27-4DB5-B87E-E7AE1D6B6237@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:54:07 +0000 References: <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> <20090309170238.LZ9MM.318595.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 18:54:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6a94792561838542571 Thanks, Andrew. I'm impressed that you wrote it, in public and shared it here. I think you probably had a more fun time in the Smoke than I did, but I can go back and visit. I visit the places I lived and reminisce (tout seul) and I have loads of students to chew the fat with, kids who are trying to make ends meet the way you did, worrying about all those things as well -- I hope. Chris On 10 Mar 2009, at 05:21, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I lived in London in the late sixties. I don't think the word > commitment had been invented at that point, or at least it had been > forgotten for a while. A loose network of intimate relationships was > the norm in my circles. It sounds Utopian these days. Some fond > memories indeed and very uncomplicated but I wouldn't have the > stamina for it now, never mind the opportunity. > But damn, I miss it sometimes. And a darker view from a melancholic > moment while revisiting... > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/london_again > Andrew Fildes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 18:58:15 2009 Received: (qmail 15626 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 17:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 17:58:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A578AE18315 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F91E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A863610006 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:58:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C063610008 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:58:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:58:08 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2AHw5oq000943 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:58:07 GMT Message-ID: <3623F576E38F4CFE8A321AE8CA70CE27@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3><7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <7E4A67D8-65E2-40A2-8A03-7D2C2AE6B1A7@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:58:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 18:58:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6aa37222331342116753 Chris, Aside from the sleek aerodynamics, the thing that I recall about the B-58 was the crew escape capsule. It was designed so that, in the event of the need to eject, each crew member was encapsulated to protect him from the high speed airstream. I conducted wind tunnel tests of the stability system for the escape capsule. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" > The Hustler might have been a nightmare to maintain, but it was a > gorgeous aircraft. I remember making a model when I was about 12-14. > > Chris > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 19:06:21 2009 Received: (qmail 6662 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 18:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 18:06:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39552E18302 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD780E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61F73610010 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:06:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551C0361000F for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:06:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.155]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so1307323yxh.80 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:06:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.142.4 with SMTP id p4mr4787458and.23.1236708373470; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:06:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:06:13 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903101106x1e7d75f4t49e77c49632dd4af@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 19:06:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6ac1d293774673671140 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Jim Nichols wro= te: > This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on a= nother list. =A0I still like it. =A0Please give me your opinion. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html I instantly liked the photo, but in the next moment I began to question how accurately I was seeing what the original might have looked like. This in turn reminded me of difficulties I have had in photographing white flowers. On this monitor the highlights hold pretty well but the shadows might be deeper than they need to be. The stamens appear overly-saturated. That's not so much a comment about the intensity of the color as the fact that I can't make out much detail in them. This kind of subject is going to be difficult to make universally successful as a web image because variances in people's monitors will make so much of difference in how the subject is perceived. I've actrually never seen white crocuses before. I'd like to see the original photo. The petals remind me of egg shells. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 19:09:46 2009 Received: (qmail 8706 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 18:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 18:09:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302BEE18313 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F622E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5018419EA53 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8473F19EA22 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:09:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f109.google.com (mail-qy0-f109.google.com [209.85.221.109]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so2315631qyk.22 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:09:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.19.194 with SMTP id c2mr9747823qab.25.1236708579930; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:09:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:09:39 -0400 Message-ID: <14883a8b0903101109k70e56bbdt5fc2fc3ef330d2ce@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 19:09:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6acea280691035110158 No complaints here Jim. I like the composition and the way you "played down" the background to set off the flowers. Very nice. Charlie On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on > another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html > > Thanks, > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 19:15:12 2009 Received: (qmail 6881 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 18:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 18:15:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0B7E18300 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1351AE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034FB3610012 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:15:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A83361000F for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:15:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:15:05 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2AIF2fb006189 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:15:04 GMT Message-ID: <8158346783FA40A68AAC6A583029A6F7@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0903101106x1e7d75f4t49e77c49632dd4af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:15:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 19:15:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6ae30108571529615919 Joel, Thanks for looking. The original jpeg image, reduced in size, with no other processing, is shown here: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+0372.jpg.html Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Jim Nichols > wrote: >> This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on >> another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html > > I instantly liked the photo, but in the next moment I began to > question how accurately I was seeing what the original might have > looked like. This in turn reminded me of difficulties I have had in > photographing white flowers. > > On this monitor the highlights hold pretty well but the shadows might > be deeper than they need to be. The stamens appear overly-saturated. > That's not so much a comment about the intensity of the color as the > fact that I can't make out much detail in them. This kind of subject > is going to be difficult to make universally successful as a web image > because variances in people's monitors will make so much of difference > in how the subject is perceived. > > I've actrually never seen white crocuses before. I'd like to see the > original photo. The petals remind me of egg shells. > > Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 19:16:58 2009 Received: (qmail 18724 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 18:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 18:16:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FE6E182E6 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE9AE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5153519EA92 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:16:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3AC19EAA3 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:16:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:16:53 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2AIGot6011894 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:16:52 GMT Message-ID: <88495E4E2BC24317A563D9BB4C2D6EDD@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <14883a8b0903101109k70e56bbdt5fc2fc3ef330d2ce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:16:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 19:16:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6ae9a105949347015869 Charlie, Thanks for your comments. That is exactly what I tried to do. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > No complaints here Jim. I like the composition and the way you "played > down" the background to set off the flowers. Very nice. > > Charlie > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Jim Nichols > wrote: > >> This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on >> another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 19:22:49 2009 Received: (qmail 6883 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 18:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 18:22:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1581E182EA for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2929E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E423519EAC6 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:22:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D549B19EA80 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so1813076bwz.14 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:22:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.11.5 with SMTP id o5mr3383110mui.75.1236709354786; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:22:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3623F576E38F4CFE8A321AE8CA70CE27@jimnichols> References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net> <506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <7E4A67D8-65E2-40A2-8A03-7D2C2AE6B1A7@threeshoes.net> <3623F576E38F4CFE8A321AE8CA70CE27@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:22:32 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1335d02aa9a36d49 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 19:22:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6aff9186541234514069 Didn't the B-58 have an uniquely powerful sonic boom? I grew up along Lake Michigan and remember extremely strong sonic booms up through the time the B-58 was retired. They used to head northward out of Indiana up along the lake shore. You could usually identify the boom of a fighter jet, but there were some big beasts up there that would shake walnuts out of the trees and crack windows. This is going back in memory here, but wasn't there one of these planes that had an unusual double-boom where the second one was hugely more powerful? They eventually changed the rules that required something like 20 miles from population to go supersonic, but back in those days the nuke guys did their own thing and they cut the corner going up the lake, so instead of 20 miles out, they were buzzing the lighthouses. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 19:32:09 2009 Received: (qmail 27827 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 18:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 18:32:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD68E18301 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC481E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B463919EB67 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:31:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF9319EB81 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:31:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2AIVm7j020613 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:31:50 GMT Message-ID: <538F33AA6B9E4A74A6B79E9577551A73@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3><7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC><7E4A67D8-65E2-40A2-8A03-7D2C2AE6B1A7@threeshoes.net><3623F576E38F4CFE8A321AE8CA70CE27@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:31:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 19:32:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6b229192871946193717 Ken, I never heard a B-58 sonic boom, so I can't comment. However, we have a lot of recent experience with the booms of the F-22. The Lockheed/Martin plant in Atlanta has received permission to test these aircraft along a corridor that runs from East Tennessee to North Alabama. They pass near our home frequently, most often in pairs. I have a sheet rock crack in my kitchen ceiling, as well as some seams opening up in the garage ceiling, as a result of their efforts. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > Didn't the B-58 have an uniquely powerful sonic boom? I grew up along > Lake > Michigan and remember extremely strong sonic booms up through the time the > B-58 was retired. They used to head northward out of Indiana up along the > lake shore. > > You could usually identify the boom of a fighter jet, but there were some > big beasts up there that would shake walnuts out of the trees and crack > windows. This is going back in memory here, but wasn't there one of these > planes that had an unusual double-boom where the second one was hugely > more > powerful? > > They eventually changed the rules that required something like 20 miles > from > population to go supersonic, but back in those days the nuke guys did > their > own thing and they cut the corner going up the lake, so instead of 20 > miles > out, they were buzzing the lighthouses. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 19:35:03 2009 Received: (qmail 7159 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 18:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 18:35:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA4AE182EF for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8CAE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183E719EBA5 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9E019EBA4 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RS661b0020x6nqcA9Waiym; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:34:42 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RWai1b00E2Axmu48YWaizs; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:34:42 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3><7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <7E4A67D8-65E2-40A2-8A03-7D2C2AE6B1A7@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <7E4A67D8-65E2-40A2-8A03-7D2C2AE6B1A7@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 19:35:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6b2d7160989347015869 One of the most photogenic airplanes that I have ever seen. I was the 39th man to sign into the B-58 Test Force. At that time, the only plane we had was a C-47 christened Hustler's Mother. LOL The first time I ever saw a B-58 they took us out on the ramp facing the main runway. A Convair test pilot flew down the runway and in the middle of the field pointed that thing straight up and slow rolled out of sight. Impressive, to say the least. Four J-79 engines. That aircraft had an interim reference system in it. That astrotracker was the first one, as I remember. They said that, at the time, there were only three men in the world with the capability to grind the glass astrodome. Something to do with paralax and such. This was all 50 years ago and I was 31 at the time. I remember one time, after a test flight when he had major problems getting the gear down, that Col. Cotton looked back at the aircraft and said, "That thing will make you cut buttonholes in the seat". That crash at the Paris Air Show was, in all probability, caused by an aerobatic maneuver tumbling the stable platform. Doing a victory roll on departure for the states. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > The Hustler might have been a nightmare to maintain, but it was a > gorgeous aircraft. I remember making a model when I was about 12-14. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 19:36:25 2009 Received: (qmail 5278 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 18:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 18:36:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746BCE18344 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042F1E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA310361000F for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3A03610019 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jim.timpe@fluke.com whitelisted) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id EBE55FD0NC for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:33:56 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:33:23 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7E4A67D8-65E2-40A2-8A03-7D2C2AE6B1A7@threeshoes.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website thread-index: AcmhqGrNeOmhbnVhRUijbYA+lCeaAgABWWSA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2009 18:33:56.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[C51C08A0:01C9A1AE] Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 19:36:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6b32963422070262475 >The Hustler might have been a nightmare to maintain, but it was a >gorgeous aircraft. I remember making a model when I was about 12-14. >Chris When I got out of active duty and transitioned into the Air National Guard, my specialty wasn't available, so I had to cross train into inertial nav. Worked on F-100s and A-7s in South Dakota. Chris... Remember the PMD's in aircraft of comparable vintage? What an electro/mechanical Rube Goldberg... When I moved back out here to the left coast, the only place doing inertial nav work was McChord. GM/Delco had exclusive contracts with the AF at that time, and even the regulars couldn't work on the systems in 130s or 141s as I recall. Took me about three months to figure out I was spending a weekend a month sitting on my hands. I bailed. Hindsight being 20/20, I should have transitioned into the Guard unit band that my brother belonged to. The retirement alone (medical benefit) would have been just about priceless right about now. Jim -- Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. 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There is also the usual attractive fishmonger, my uncles from France and the US, and much else: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=197 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 20:13:00 2009 Received: (qmail 4490 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0C0E1832B for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E347EE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49AF361000F for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:12:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CE83610008 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:12:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090310191252.KAMP12725.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:12:52 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id RXCr1b00Q4Z9Gks02XCrK0; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:12:52 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7xN3sb-CezYA:10 a=RKznaCIHA_4A:10 a=BVxdN1OZAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=xjW31z2RAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=EODhZoOEyxRe9YFduKoA:9 a=n9ekT9CyS2kiSurIS5UA:7 a=NA8GD6RcSDsNQt_mAlabeO4qB3YA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=nJ-q_yjzxj8A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=IKds56vswl8A:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <24ED752781EF491188B7FB8D18704350@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3><7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC><7E4A67D8-65E2-40A2-8A03-7D2C2AE6B1A7@threeshoes.net><3623F576E38F4CFE8A321AE8CA70CE27@jimnichols> <538F33AA6B9E4A74A6B79E9577551A73@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:12:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 20:13:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6bbbc293841838542571 I supppose you might expect those of us from other states to make sarcastic remarks about you choice for this test? Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > Ken, > > I never heard a B-58 sonic boom, so I can't comment. However, we have a > lot > of recent experience with the booms of the F-22. The Lockheed/Martin > plant > in Atlanta has received permission to test these aircraft along a corridor > that runs from East Tennessee to North Alabama. They pass near our home > frequently, most often in pairs. I have a sheet rock crack in my kitchen > ceiling, as well as some seams opening up in the garage ceiling, as a > result > of their efforts. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > > >> Didn't the B-58 have an uniquely powerful sonic boom? I grew up along >> Lake >> Michigan and remember extremely strong sonic booms up through the time >> the >> B-58 was retired. They used to head northward out of Indiana up along the >> lake shore. >> >> You could usually identify the boom of a fighter jet, but there were some >> big beasts up there that would shake walnuts out of the trees and crack >> windows. This is going back in memory here, but wasn't there one of >> these >> planes that had an unusual double-boom where the second one was hugely >> more >> powerful? >> >> They eventually changed the rules that required something like 20 miles >> from >> population to go supersonic, but back in those days the nuke guys did >> their >> own thing and they cut the corner going up the lake, so instead of 20 >> miles >> out, they were buzzing the lighthouses. >> >> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1993 - Release Date: 03/10/09 07:19:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 20:38:55 2009 Received: (qmail 23957 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 19:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 19:38:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A983E1830E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AACEE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB8219EECF for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:38:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48EE19EE2B for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:38:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:38:48 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2AJciDF017139 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:38:47 GMT Message-ID: <7D86D3E237EE4526BB68F8BFD62B0F3E@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0903101106x1e7d75f4t49e77c49632dd4af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:38:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 20:38:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6c1cf279021234514069 Joel, I went out with my E-510 and Elmarit-R 2.8/28 and photographed the same blooms one day later. Now the blooms are open and the stamens are fully formed. Thought you might like this better. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+One+Day+Later.tif.html Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Jim Nichols > wrote: >> This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on >> another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html > > I instantly liked the photo, but in the next moment I began to > question how accurately I was seeing what the original might have > looked like. This in turn reminded me of difficulties I have had in > photographing white flowers. > > On this monitor the highlights hold pretty well but the shadows might > be deeper than they need to be. The stamens appear overly-saturated. > That's not so much a comment about the intensity of the color as the > fact that I can't make out much detail in them. This kind of subject > is going to be difficult to make universally successful as a web image > because variances in people's monitors will make so much of difference > in how the subject is perceived. > > I've actrually never seen white crocuses before. I'd like to see the > original photo. The petals remind me of egg shells. > > Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 20:54:45 2009 Received: (qmail 14714 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 19:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 19:54:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445BAE182EF for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700C8E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA7A3610008 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:54:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70253610006 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:54:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090310195436.WFPG12334.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:54:36 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <436E5733-46D7-4E9C-B9A2-382B316D0377@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:54:34 -0400 References: <436E5733-46D7-4E9C-B9A2-382B316D0377@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 9: Charleroi to Alicante X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 20:54:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6c584131061470116606 Hey, the cheese shop lady ain't half bad, either! As I said on your PAW site, I think you should talk with the lovely fishmonger and arrange to do a whole day recording her. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 10, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Last week started in Belgium and finished in Alicante with some nice > spring weather. There is also the usual attractive fishmonger, my > uncles from France and the US, and much else: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=197 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 21:00:58 2009 Received: (qmail 8471 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 20:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 20:00:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C990FE18317 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BADE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F1D19EF18 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:00:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DFD19EF06 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2AK0lGZ004754 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:00:49 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3><7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC><7E4A67D8-65E2-40A2-8A03-7D2C2AE6B1A7@threeshoes.net><3623F576E38F4CFE8A321AE8CA70CE27@jimnichols><538F33AA6B9E4A74A6B79E9577551A73@jimnichols> <24ED752781EF491188B7FB8D18704350@SueHome> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:00:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 21:00:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6c6fa143281744846740 No, Bill, I think the locals have made about all the comments that can be found. I like to blame Rummy. It originated on his watch. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website >I supppose you might expect those of us from other states to make sarcastic > remarks about you choice for this test? > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > > >> Ken, >> >> I never heard a B-58 sonic boom, so I can't comment. However, we have a >> lot >> of recent experience with the booms of the F-22. The Lockheed/Martin >> plant >> in Atlanta has received permission to test these aircraft along a >> corridor >> that runs from East Tennessee to North Alabama. They pass near our home >> frequently, most often in pairs. I have a sheet rock crack in my kitchen >> ceiling, as well as some seams opening up in the garage ceiling, as a >> result >> of their efforts. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ken Norton" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website >> >> >>> Didn't the B-58 have an uniquely powerful sonic boom? I grew up along >>> Lake >>> Michigan and remember extremely strong sonic booms up through the time >>> the >>> B-58 was retired. They used to head northward out of Indiana up along >>> the >>> lake shore. >>> >>> You could usually identify the boom of a fighter jet, but there were >>> some >>> big beasts up there that would shake walnuts out of the trees and crack >>> windows. This is going back in memory here, but wasn't there one of >>> these >>> planes that had an unusual double-boom where the second one was hugely >>> more >>> powerful? >>> >>> They eventually changed the rules that required something like 20 miles >>> from >>> population to go supersonic, but back in those days the nuke guys did >>> their >>> own thing and they cut the corner going up the lake, so instead of 20 >>> miles >>> out, they were buzzing the lighthouses. >>> >>> AG >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1993 - Release Date: 03/10/09 > 07:19:00 > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 21:11:10 2009 Received: (qmail 6097 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 20:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 20:11:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0DBE18302 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC60E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4311719EF30 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:11:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441D419EF33 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jmalmstrom@mac.com whitelisted) Received: from asmtpout030.mac.com (asmtpout030.mac.com [17.148.16.105]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:11:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [172.28.2.12] (c-83-233-110-14.cust.bredband2.com [83.233.110.14]) by asmtp030.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KGB00KGS42AVD70@asmtp030.mac.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:11:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=1.12.7400:2.4.4,1.2.40,4.0.166 definitions=2009-03-10_06:2009-03-05, 2009-03-10, 2009-03-10 signatures=0 Message-id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:10:57 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [OM] [FS] Fair deal on a OM-1? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 21:11:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6c95e156391946193717 I need to make some room for a new 4Ti... So, is there anybody that wants to give me a fair amount of money on some stuff? I have a old list of things that I am ready with and will not miss (yes sure...). Don't look that much on the price given on the item, if you want it, mail me what you think is fair and I'll get back to you. Please look here: http://foto.johanmalmstrom.se/?dnode=1176 For instance a OM-1: http://foto.johanmalmstrom.se/?dnode=1176&dbid=48 Thanks! / Johan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 22:29:31 2009 Received: (qmail 16196 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 21:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 21:29:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B15E182F0 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014ACE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8102361000E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:29:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1A6361000F for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:29:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEF44615E9 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:49:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <38A8DE8471F24C8995BF755F55A77FA2@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:29:18 +0000 References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <4D7FA706-104C-42B0-A740-5F2B8A9D238E@threeshoes.net> <38A8DE8471F24C8995BF755F55A77FA2@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 22:29:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6dbbb2462046811720 Thanks, Jim. Mind you, I dream of 250hp now. The little putt-putt that I fly now uses a 180hp Lycoming (O-360) :-) I had to look up Arnold, a lot of simulation going on there; it's a bit of a coincidence as I have just expressed interest in a simulator sales job. Chris On 10 Mar 2009, at 16:23, Jim Nichols wrote: > Thanks, Chris. I have enjoyed your stories from your military > experiences. > My own flying was in small stuff, 250HP or less, but I spent a > career in > developing, utilizing and supporting the test facilities at the Arnold > Engineering Development Center here in the US. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 22:30:15 2009 Received: (qmail 25964 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 21:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 21:30:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71367E182FF for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE64E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDBB19F04D for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:30:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F8319F048 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:30:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F60461609 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:50:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <5FEDC6BE-3AB3-4A88-9BC9-AB4915EEF556@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <3623F576E38F4CFE8A321AE8CA70CE27@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:30:10 +0000 References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3><7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <7E4A67D8-65E2-40A2-8A03-7D2C2AE6B1A7@threeshoes.net> <3623F576E38F4CFE8A321AE8CA70CE27@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 22:30:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6dbe715511257536491 Very neat! The F-111 had a capsule escape system as well, but both crew remained together. Chris On 10 Mar 2009, at 17:58, Jim Nichols wrote: > Chris, > > Aside from the sleek aerodynamics, the thing that I recall about the > B-58 > was the crew escape capsule. It was designed so that, in the event > of the > need to eject, each crew member was encapsulated to protect him from > the > high speed airstream. I conducted wind tunnel tests of the > stability system > for the escape capsule. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 22:39:06 2009 Received: (qmail 15883 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 21:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 21:39:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF936E182FA for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD85E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D2E19F06B for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E505F19F066 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:38:59 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2ALcuCT024373 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:38:58 GMT Message-ID: <203B1FACA40D44B3B6CB471ACE77D1D8@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3><7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC><7E4A67D8-65E2-40A2-8A03-7D2C2AE6B1A7@threeshoes.net><3623F576E38F4CFE8A321AE8CA70CE27@jimnichols> <5FEDC6BE-3AB3-4A88-9BC9-AB4915EEF556@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:39:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 22:39:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6ddfa76003675314703 We tested the F-111 engine/inlet system in our large tunnels, at both transonic and supersonic speeds. That was a real challenge. Also tested many smaller models to check out store compatability. The years sure pass by. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > Very neat! The F-111 had a capsule escape system as well, but both > crew remained together. > > Chris > > On 10 Mar 2009, at 17:58, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> Aside from the sleek aerodynamics, the thing that I recall about the >> B-58 >> was the crew escape capsule. It was designed so that, in the event >> of the >> need to eject, each crew member was encapsulated to protect him from >> the >> high speed airstream. I conducted wind tunnel tests of the >> stability system >> for the escape capsule. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 22:39:32 2009 Received: (qmail 5152 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 21:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 21:39:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62234E182E2 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAB1E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E23361000F for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF31B3610008 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71F4461585 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:59:00 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <2B4240B7-FE90-49DD-8A1D-FE8B4570A5AA@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:39:00 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 22:39:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6de1390142046811720 I never saw it, Jim, but I understood that the only USAF aircraft with an electric map was the A-7, a formidable bomber for its size. We had PMDs in the Jaguar and Harrier at the time. Chris On 10 Mar 2009, at 18:33, Timpe, Jim wrote: > Chris... > Remember the PMD's in aircraft of comparable vintage? What an > electro/mechanical Rube Goldberg... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 22:40:16 2009 Received: (qmail 11205 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 21:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 21:40:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6C4E182E4 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C682FE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41E519F072 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4236D19F06B for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so170777ywk.80 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.216.10 with SMTP id o10mr4907595ang.86.1236721173629; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7D86D3E237EE4526BB68F8BFD62B0F3E@jimnichols> References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0903101106x1e7d75f4t49e77c49632dd4af@mail.gmail.com> <7D86D3E237EE4526BB68F8BFD62B0F3E@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:39:33 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903101439u2dd4ef12h1f4ca545c935a988@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 22:40:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6de40140091342116753 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Jim Nichols wrot= e: > Joel, > > I went out with my E-510 and Elmarit-R 2.8/28 and photographed the same > blooms one day later. =A0Now the blooms are open and the stamens are fully > formed. =A0Thought you might like this better. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+One+Day+Later.tif.html Jim, I like that one too. I don't dislike the other and will take a peek at both on my other monitor. The first one looks sort of "printed down" in the old darkroom jargon. I would be tempted to play with the Highlight-Shadow tool to bring up the middle values ever so slightly. I'm guessing that the whites don't hit 255, which is why they hold their detail and I wouldn't want to move the exposure to the right. But I might like to move the pixel mountain a bit to the right. A BW version of the first might be quite nice too. The second one is probably more "successful" in a standard way. It's the one they'd use in the catalog. But I find the first one a little more interesting. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 22:45:50 2009 Received: (qmail 3493 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 21:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 21:45:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A903E182ED for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E96E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A384E19F085 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:45:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225C219F081 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:45:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:45:44 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2ALjgUj024300 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:45:43 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols><4D7FA706-104C-42B0-A740-5F2B8A9D238E@threeshoes.net><38A8DE8471F24C8995BF755F55A77FA2@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:45:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 22:45:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6df8e219214673671140 The 250 Lycoming was in a Piper Comanche from the 1960s. Very nice airplane for family trips, but expensive to maintain. I always liked the 180 Lycoming, especially in the Piper Cherokee. I felt I could get in and out of almost any strip with that airplane. I shot landings in a brand new 1966 model at Kissimmee, Florida when the only ones at the airport were me and some cows grazing across the fence, before anyone ever heard of Disney World. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > Thanks, Jim. Mind you, I dream of 250hp now. The little putt-putt > that I fly now uses a 180hp Lycoming (O-360) :-) > > I had to look up Arnold, a lot of simulation going on there; it's a > bit of a coincidence as I have just expressed interest in a simulator > sales job. > > Chris > > On 10 Mar 2009, at 16:23, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Thanks, Chris. I have enjoyed your stories from your military >> experiences. >> My own flying was in small stuff, 250HP or less, but I spent a >> career in >> developing, utilizing and supporting the test facilities at the Arnold >> Engineering Development Center here in the US. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 22:49:30 2009 Received: (qmail 21247 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2068E1830F for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A6BE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974623610011 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:49:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43D4361000E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:49:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:49:24 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2ALnKBX022833 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:49:22 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols><9e908c1f0903101106x1e7d75f4t49e77c49632dd4af@mail.gmail.com><7D86D3E237EE4526BB68F8BFD62B0F3E@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0903101439u2dd4ef12h1f4ca545c935a988@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:49:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 22:49:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6e06a277961585427447 Joel, Thanks for looking, and for the helpful comments. I am going to take down the unprocessed image from my gallery, to avoid so much duplication. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Jim Nichols > wrote: >> Joel, >> >> I went out with my E-510 and Elmarit-R 2.8/28 and photographed the same >> blooms one day later. Now the blooms are open and the stamens are fully >> formed. Thought you might like this better. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+One+Day+Later.tif.html > > Jim, > I like that one too. I don't dislike the other and will take a peek > at both on my other monitor. The first one looks sort of "printed > down" in the old darkroom jargon. I would be tempted to play with the > Highlight-Shadow tool to bring up the middle values ever so slightly. > I'm guessing that the whites don't hit 255, which is why they hold > their detail and I wouldn't want to move the exposure to the right. > But I might like to move the pixel mountain a bit to the right. > > A BW version of the first might be quite nice too. > > The second one is probably more "successful" in a standard way. It's > the one they'd use in the catalog. But I find the first one a little > more interesting. > > Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 22:50:13 2009 Received: (qmail 27333 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 21:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 21:50:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BC2E18316 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B216E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA9C19F08E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B58F19F087 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10104 invoked by uid 502); 10 Mar 2009 21:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.201.9) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Mar 2009 21:50:04 -0000 Message-ID: <49B6E086.6080703@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:49:58 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B695AA.5020601@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] OT: anybody experienced with LX-3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 22:50:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6e09581741702588592 Iwert wrote: > Has anybody on the list used the Panasonic LX-3 or Leica Digilux 4? > > What are the experiences, image quality, handling & build quality? > > Thanks for any input... > > Iwert > There have been several complete reviews of the LX-3 with details, opinions and lots of sample images. - - - Things I've noted about it: Biggest factor that distinguishes it from similar cameras from others is the zoom range, 24-60mm eq. That will deeply thrill some and means it wouldn't do for me except to be carried with another camera as a WA-Tele pair or perhaps for indoor, lower light without flash. Better than average high ISO performance and a fast lens. The new processor smears fine detail less than its predecessors and the RAW ability allows one to bypass that completely. Smaller and lighter than Canon G9 & 10 Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 23:13:02 2009 Received: (qmail 29421 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 22:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 22:13:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33ABE182E5 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A3AE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3689219F0E3 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:12:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48F819F0E2 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:12:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1154947anc.35 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:12:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.133.1 with SMTP id g1mr2046632and.93.1236723175969; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:12:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8158346783FA40A68AAC6A583029A6F7@jimnichols> References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0903101106x1e7d75f4t49e77c49632dd4af@mail.gmail.com> <8158346783FA40A68AAC6A583029A6F7@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:12:53 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903101512r3823546cl25aca1726c5c721@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 23:13:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6e5ee172131234514069 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Jim Nichols wrot= e: > Joel, > > Thanks for looking. =A0The original jpeg image, reduced in size, with no = other > processing, is shown here: > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+0372.jpg.html Now that I'm at my monitor at home, I'd say the the original would be about perfect with just a levels adjustment to pull the whole histogram to the right just a bit. No additional saturation needed. Very nice image! Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Mar 10 23:26:07 2009 Received: (qmail 8739 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 22:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 22:26:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00080E1830A for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8606DE24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE3019F121 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:26:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99EDF19F11B for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:26:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:26:01 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2AMPvG0008332 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:25:59 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols><9e908c1f0903101106x1e7d75f4t49e77c49632dd4af@mail.gmail.com><8158346783FA40A68AAC6A583029A6F7@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0903101512r3823546cl25aca1726c5c721@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:26:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Mar 10 23:26:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6e8ff39451529615919 Thanks for the help, Joel. I'm slowly learning the techniques. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Jim Nichols > wrote: >> Joel, >> >> Thanks for looking. The original jpeg image, reduced in size, with no >> other >> processing, is shown here: >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Original+0372.jpg.html > > Now that I'm at my monitor at home, I'd say the the original would be > about perfect with just a levels adjustment to pull the whole > histogram to the right just a bit. No additional saturation needed. > Very nice image! > > Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 00:07:39 2009 Received: (qmail 16103 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 23:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 23:07:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E44AE18307 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA816E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9960D19F16E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:07:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C71A19EDFA for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:07:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24983 invoked by uid 502); 10 Mar 2009 23:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.199.97) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Mar 2009 23:07:30 -0000 Message-ID: <49B6F2AE.6010802@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:07:26 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0903020444y99b42ebub072717bf555f411@mail.gmail.com> <22CA8789-0A0B-4667-935E-4FAF89DA530D@threeshoes.net> <49ABE0D7.7000404@blueyonder.co.uk> <54A29091-8E33-44E4-AADB-A29AD01A0D91@threeshoes.net> <5BCF923D-8DB1-4E12-9BA3-BFAFD383BB07@people.net.au> <67B65246-1BFF-453B-B01A-ABD3A36EC101@roadrunner.com> <49ADB175.8080705@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20090303194837.0116b3f8@zuik.net> <49AE52E1.1080304@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Warmer? Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 00:07:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6f2bb166551257536491 Ken Norton wrote: > > There is a good argument that "Chaos Theory" is just plain bad science. It's a handy way of explaining away anomalies that haven't been adequately researched. For example: > > A traffic study that shows that 5000 vehicles pass a spot in the road every day. This is determined by number of vehicles passed in a sample period extrapolated out. However, on every Friday night during the fall, there is a burst of traffic of an additional 2000 vehicles. > > "Chaos Theory" is used to explain away this discrepency as just "one of those things". > Either one of my legs is now longer than the other or you completely misunderstand what Chaos Theory is. The name is unfortunate, as it will tend to draw such responses. Nevertheless, it doesn't say of apparently inconsistent systems behavior that it's "just one of those things". It is not just theoretical musings, but also practical science that makes meaningful predictions about systems behavior. A theory that said of your above example what you posit should be called "Stupidity of the theorist Theory". > "True Science" will attempt to figure out why this occurs and accounts for it. In my example, the 2000 vehicle burst is caused by vehicles coming and going to the high school football game. > You don't need Science for that. It's at most a simple engineering problem, and really only one of common sense. It certainly doesn't call for anything like application of Chaos science. > I've obviously simplified my example, but I maintain that Chaos Theory is poor science and a way of saying "There is something weird going on here that I haven't quantified yet." > I disagree. I believe you are mocking what you don't understand. I could go on, but suggest that you take a look at Chaos - The Making of a New Science, by James Gleick. You could scan the short section from the last two pps of pg. 39 to the middle of pg. 45 in a library or bookstore. Although not representative of the breadth and depth of the concepts, it illustrates how non-linearities make even seemingly simple systems unpredictable through conventional analysis. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 00:36:22 2009 Received: (qmail 3898 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 23:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 23:36:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D36E182F9 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8EE4E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9783D361000E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:36:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254CC3610006 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:36:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8972 invoked by uid 502); 10 Mar 2009 23:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.190.221) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Mar 2009 23:36:10 -0000 Message-ID: <49B6F966.8050702@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:36:06 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Vert Lives to See Another Photo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 00:36:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6f976286665368819438 Ken Norton wrote: > ... While experimenting, I took a photo of the back of my couch. Nothing earth-shattering, but interesting non-the-less. The lens was the Zuiko 24/2.8. > The conversion was done in RAW THERAPEE, which gave me some nice options and meant I didn't have to go into an editor to accomplish the same tasks. > I'm liking RawTherapee a fair amount, too, although for different reasons. Simply using its defaults, it does a significantly better job of RAW conversion for the A650 than dcraw does. > Who says you can't use wide-angle lenses for macro? > I give up, who? Perhaps some of he same "Some people" who "think that weather sealing is highly overrated."? Do you so much enjoy setting up straw people to knock down? Or are you overly easily bothered by the maunderings of idiots on forums? (Notice that, by responding to your maunderings, I imply that I don't consider you an idiot.) :-) Everybody "should" know that one may take macro images with pretty much any lens with enough extension. And one generally can get pretty good central resolution doing so. The difference between macro with any old lens and those designed for it is in other areas of the resulting image. A true macro lens is corrected for flat field and common abberations at much closer focal distances than a 'normal' lens. As someone once demonstrated here, the 21/3.5 suffers from a great deal of curvature of field at close focusing distances. Take a macro of the end of a pencil with it and it looks great, since everything else is out of DOF and unfocused anyway. Take a picture of a map at much less magnification, the center is sharp and the rest get fuzzier the further out you go from center. Take the same map at the same magnificatin with a 50/3.5 and it's sharp corner to corner. By shooting with a 4/3 sensor, you ignore much of the outer zones of the FF coverage lens. A 'fairer' example would be with a 12mm focal length on a lens designed for 4/3. Nevertheless, it all doesn't matter, as the shot is at least in part about movement from sharp to unsharp. It's a rather decent abstract image with interesting color and texture and the fun of a moment of disorientation until a sense of scale pops in. I enjoyed it. Slightly edgy bokeh adds an edge to highlights in the OOF areas that I think it would be better without. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 00:36:58 2009 Received: (qmail 3234 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2009 23:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Mar 2009 23:36:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0193E1830C for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32907E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BB319F1D7 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:36:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850D019F1CC for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:36:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.bf2.4ac49f7a (37552) for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB031-5c5649b6f98a2c8; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:36:48 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MA13 (webmail-ma13.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.77]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA034-5c5649b6f98a2c8; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:36:42 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:36:41 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 75.147.3.221 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41757-STANDARD Received: from 75.147.3.221 by WEBMAIL-MA13.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.77) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:36:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB6FF0334DE26E-12B0-4C8@WEBMAIL-MA13.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] OT: anybody experienced with LX-3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 00:36:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6f99a307021702588592 Here is one comparison I found interesting: http://www.bythom.com/compactchallenge.htm Was thinking about the LX-3 for another horse cam, but turns out won't need one until probably next Spring. (Oly, please hurray up on micro FT) It would be a nice complement to a G9/10. It is interesting how the LX-3 gives similar pixel counts at 4:3 or 3:2 with the same diagonal angle of view. The review slams the G9 a bit, but the IQ compared to the g10 is just hair worse than the G10 at base ISO, despite the G9 having larger pixels. The G9 may be cheaper now, is a tad smaller and goes to 210mm vs 140 (but not as wide) I have the CHDK hack on it as well with separate RGB channels displayed on the histo and "zebra mode" for highlights AND shadows in live view. I doubt the hack will emerge on the G10 for several months. Want to freeze action wiht the flash at 1/64K?---no problemo wiith the hack. DXO now supports the G10 as well as the G9 and does a pretty good job--sort of quick PTlens/ NI but not as much finesse as Moose---it is a bit heavy handed on noise reduction in higher ISO's. The deconvolution also seems to help a bit from the samples I've seen. It is expensive, however. I have seen some crops of the G10 at 140mm to make it about 210mm and comparing to the G9---seems to almost be equivalent as long as you don't look too close. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 01:04:02 2009 Received: (qmail 5990 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 00:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 00:04:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0CAE1830D for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB525E24122 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C998F19F206 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:03:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0B719F214 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:03:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so2053924fxm.14 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:03:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.93.18 with SMTP id v18mr3546724mul.43.1236729834509; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:03:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B6F966.8050702@gmail.com> References: <49B6F966.8050702@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:03:54 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 633fb46a2f7c1723 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Vert Lives to See Another Photo X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 01:04:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b6fff2108071946193717 > > I give up, who? Perhaps some of he same "Some people" who "think that > weather sealing is highly overrated."? Do you so much enjoy setting up > straw people to knock down? Or are you overly easily bothered by the > maunderings of idiots on forums? (Notice that, by responding to your > maunderings, I imply that I don't consider you an idiot.) :-) > I rather enjoy knocking over straw people. I used to knock over Weebles, but they kept on popping back up. Talk about irritating. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 01:11:07 2009 Received: (qmail 5540 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 00:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 00:11:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6DBE182FF for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF55AE24122 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB17819F224 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:10:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A09019F223 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:10:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.152]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so206056ywk.80 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:10:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.133.2 with SMTP id g2mr5045183and.134.1236730258884; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:10:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0903101106x1e7d75f4t49e77c49632dd4af@mail.gmail.com> <8158346783FA40A68AAC6A583029A6F7@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0903101512r3823546cl25aca1726c5c721@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:10:58 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903101710p20ae28fare7fa4f90c53d569c@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 01:11:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7019b279921744846740 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Jim Nichols wrot= e: > Thanks for the help, Joel. =A0I'm slowly learning the techniques. That's kind of you, Jim. I was just trying to determine which of my monitors to believe, the old CRT at home or the new, unruly LCD at work. I'm guessing that what your detractors have discovered is the inadequacy of their monitors to cope with a challenging image. Anyway, what I like in your photos are the bits that can't be taught! Keep 'em coming. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 01:25:17 2009 Received: (qmail 13292 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 00:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 00:25:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83E3E182ED for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A48EE24122 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F493618016 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:25:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC3D3610008 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:25:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f163.google.com (mail-gx0-f163.google.com [209.85.217.163]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so4208973gxk.14 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:25:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.45.205 with SMTP id g13mr3012934vcf.64.1236731111173; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:25:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0903101724x5092c488k2c3ee42cbb72ff39@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0903101724x5092c488k2c3ee42cbb72ff39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:25:11 -0700 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0903101725u7a09db90v23f4cd630f54d9c3@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] And Then It Goes Boom! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 01:25:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b704ed278861702588592 ....*Please avoid the area until the police action is completed . This concludes the message from the* [our city]* Police Department.* *Heard at about 3:15 PM:* *BOOM.* Before the Boom!, I was assuming it is a false alarm, although clearly they were diverting cars onto our street. After the boom??? I took my camera out :-) (For pictures etc. http://rfman.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/and-then-it-goes-boom/) -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.rfman.com // b: http://rfman.wordpress.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 01:35:04 2009 Received: (qmail 10505 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 00:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 00:35:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD2DE182E2 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097A2E24122 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D971F19F415 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:34:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E3619F325 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:34:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11372 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2009 00:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 00:34:48 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0903101725u7a09db90v23f4cd630f54d9c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0903101724x5092c488k2c3ee42cbb72ff39@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0903101725u7a09db90v23f4cd630f54d9c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:34:51 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] And Then It Goes Boom! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 01:35:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b70738170242336821329 How exciting - and all we had around here in the last few days was an earthquake (4.6). Just to round off the fires. Think I'll just nip outside to make sure it isn't raining frogs, or something. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/03/2009, at 11:25 AM, Richard Man wrote: > ....*Please avoid the area until the police action is completed . This > concludes the message from the* [our city]* Police Department.* > > *Heard at about 3:15 PM:* > > *BOOM.* > > Before the Boom!, I was assuming it is a false alarm, although > clearly they > were diverting cars onto our street. After the boom??? I took my > camera out > :-) > (For pictures etc. > http://rfman.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/and-then-it-goes-boom/) > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 01:53:38 2009 Received: (qmail 19225 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 00:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 00:53:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7F6E1830E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556F6E24122 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8CF19F59C for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A349B19F598 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:53:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so215771ywk.80 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:53:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.87.4 with SMTP id u4mr3025421vcl.28.1236732810767; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:53:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7ac27f4f0903101724x5092c488k2c3ee42cbb72ff39@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0903101725u7a09db90v23f4cd630f54d9c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:53:30 -0700 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0903101753q3332400t3e3213e28767905@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] And Then It Goes Boom! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 01:53:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b70b92286897350615338 4.6 wouldn't even wake up the dogs around here :-) On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > How exciting - and all we had around here in the last few days was an > earthquake (4.6). Just to round off the fires. Think I'll just nip > outside to make sure it isn't raining frogs, or something. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.rfman.com // b: http://rfman.wordpress.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 02:00:06 2009 Received: (qmail 6224 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 01:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 01:00:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66171E18310 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711FDE24122 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8A33610011 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:59:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1897361000E for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:59:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (md@dementia.org whitelisted) Received: from smtp114.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp114.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.230]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 44808 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2009 00:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO arctic.dapoz.ca) (md@99.224.154.42 with plain) by smtp114.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 00:59:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Il4xXskVM1mUKBOlvBenkOMS2plEPnJ3PhMol_xFq3cklMdSpXBKX7vxTBfYUf2TJw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <49B70D0C.5000006@dementia.org> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:59:56 -0400 From: Mark Dapoz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B695AA.5020601@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <49B695AA.5020601@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Black Pen FT bodies - real or ersatz X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 02:00:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b70d1670391234514069 Martin Walters said the following on 3/10/09 12:30 PM: > I've resisted buying a black FT, because of the price premium, and > because I'd read (somewhere)that black bodies are easily faked. Lot of > $$ for nothing, if it's a fake. > > This listing on Eb*y (160320350973)complicates things further. While the > finish looks excellent, it seems to me that it makes buying a genuine > black body in really good condition a crap shoot. > > Are there any ways to tell genuine from repro? A black conversion or respray almost always leaves some signs although they might be difficult to spot from a photo. In this particular case the controls on a real black FT such as the film advance lever, shutter release, etc., aren't painted, they're anodized for durability. It'll be obvious when examining the parts in person if they're painted black or anodized black (wipe some acetone on them if in doubt :-). Other signs would be signs of wear on the rest of the body parts such as the lens mount and film rails. A pristine exterior paint should be matched with a pristine body. -mark -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 04:26:12 2009 Received: (qmail 26430 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 03:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 03:26:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D979E182E9 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC115E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA4C19F875 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:26:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CA519F873 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:26:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-d01.mx.aol.com (imr-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imr-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.d38.4475a7e7 (37049) for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB037-5c5a49b72f3a26e; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:25:57 -0400 Received: from FWM-M09 (fwm-m09.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.73]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA038-5c5a49b72f3a26e; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:25:46 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:25:45 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41757-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.73) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:25:45 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB7010334A52AA-C04-1C1B@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Warmer? Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 04:26:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b72f5495237927319144 'Fraid I'll have to don my "I agree with Moose" T-shirt again. Many examples of "Chaos" in biology and physics that have been sorted at least to some degree. The branching of retinal vessels and crystal growth appear to be fractal to a certain scale at least. "Nonlinear dynamics" have led to a better understanding of turbulence and a simplified model of convection rolls which are used in climate models. IIRC that was Lorentz with the "strange attractors." Would not assume the climate would behave like an ocean liner with small perturbations steering it slowly. I think the historical record and most models refute that---aided by the early work of Lorentz et al. Many mathematicians and some engineers were initially irritated with the likes of Mendelbrot. A struggling to avoid CHAOS in the office daily, Mike I've obviously simplified my example, but I maintain that Chaos Theory is > poor science and a way of saying "There is something weird going on here that > I haven't quantified yet." -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 04:33:53 2009 Received: (qmail 4602 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 03:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 03:33:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5265E182F3 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B05E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B03D3610008 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:33:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4CB3610006 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:33:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7172 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2009 03:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.139.93) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 03:33:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0903101753q3332400t3e3213e28767905@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0903101724x5092c488k2c3ee42cbb72ff39@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0903101725u7a09db90v23f4cd630f54d9c3@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0903101753q3332400t3e3213e28767905@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:33:42 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] And Then It Goes Boom! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 04:33:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7312199131342116753 I know, I know but I'm taking it as evidence that the Rainbow Serpent is more than a little annoyed about something. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/03/2009, at 11:53 AM, Richard Man wrote: > 4.6 wouldn't even wake up the dogs around here :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 07:09:27 2009 Received: (qmail 2448 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 06:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 06:09:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA59E182DA for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EF7E24127 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5323419FA86 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:09:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE9119FA7F for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:09:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A144C9731 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:32:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <892A5F69-1663-4FDA-8C94-EFF7C26D6A24@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7D86D3E237EE4526BB68F8BFD62B0F3E@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:09:17 +0000 References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <9e908c1f0903101106x1e7d75f4t49e77c49632dd4af@mail.gmail.com> <7D86D3E237EE4526BB68F8BFD62B0F3E@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 07:09:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7559711422046811720 Jim I like the texture of the petals that I can see now. Chris On 10 Mar 2009, at 19:38, Jim Nichols wrote: > Joel, > > I went out with my E-510 and Elmarit-R 2.8/28 and photographed the > same > blooms one day later. Now the blooms are open and the stamens are > fully > formed. Thought you might like this better. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+One+Day+Later.tif.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 09:34:01 2009 Received: (qmail 10589 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 08:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 08:34:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDF7E182E7 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB90E24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39609361000F for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:33:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D505361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:33:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4231 invoked by uid 502); 11 Mar 2009 08:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.170.11) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Mar 2009 08:33:51 -0000 Message-ID: <49B7776A.1060401@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:33:46 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB6FF0334DE26E-12B0-4C8@WEBMAIL-MA13.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB6FF0334DE26E-12B0-4C8@WEBMAIL-MA13.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT: anybody experienced with LX-3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 09:34:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7777966161744846740 usher99@aol.com wrote: > Here is one comparison I found interesting: > > http://www.bythom.com/compactchallenge.htm > Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Thanks. That's the one that convinced me that I can skip this round and stick with the Canon A650 IS with CHDK add-on firmware for a while. With CHDK, it does everything the G9/10 do but external flash and adds more. The twist and tilt screen is more than worth the price of admission. Those things are pure magic for me. > Was thinking about the LX-3 for another horse cam, but turns out won't need one until probably next Spring. (Oly, please hurray up on micro FT) > Lots of things can happen in that time. If not, maybe G1 with 14-140 or E-620 with 18-180; temporarily silicone seal lens to mount for the trip? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 09:56:12 2009 Received: (qmail 21836 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 08:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 08:56:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C19E18310 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBF6E24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F2F19DF14 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:56:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9003519DF11 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:56:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12426 invoked by uid 502); 11 Mar 2009 08:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.169.165) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Mar 2009 08:56:05 -0000 Message-ID: <49B77CA0.10804@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:56:00 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> <49B19D62.5020800@blueyonder.co.uk> <9052CC95-C7CC-4B64-873E-727440C14457@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <9052CC95-C7CC-4B64-873E-727440C14457@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 09:56:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b77cac288669347015869 Andrew Fildes wrote: > A while back I started collecting a few of the weirder digital cameras from the 1994-99 period. > Recently I've been buying 2-4mp cameras off ebay - things like the Oly C-350 I got this week for US$20 in the box with all the bits. I discovered that they make great presents - one friend was annoyed that her mother was emailing her photos and she didn't have a camera to reply - now she does and 3mp is more than enough. They're great gifts for children too - they learn that fones make lousy cameras! > If you target the lesser brands like Oly (unpopular because of the xD card), Samsung, Ricoh, Casio, Fuji then there are real bargains out there. > You can't go back too far, at least for kids. I was given an Oly D-460. The 1.3 mp images aren't anything to write home about, much poorer IQ than a 2mp Canon only a year newer. The Canon is no speed demon in some respects, but the Oly is Stoooone Slooow in every operational respect. I can't see any kid I know putting up with that. > Disposable digital! > Indeed. I see my S110 is worth about $10-12. Still works perfectly. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 10:16:36 2009 Received: (qmail 27172 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 09:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 09:16:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71FDE182FB for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32782E24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17263361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:16:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16933610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:16:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-72-55.iburst.co.za ([41.213.72.55]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 143 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:26:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:16:19 +0200 References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 10:16:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7817412814673671140 On 08 Mar 2009, at 2:35 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote: > If you dig through the online reviews, > you'll find a few pro photographers suggesting that the 5D's image > quality > is comparable to medium format (4.5x6). How do you get that out of > 12Mp? I > have a few theories, but I don't really know. Hi William, Speaking from my experience with the 5D and the very similar sensor in the 1D MkIIN, the likely reason for the gorgeous image output from both these cameras are the incredible per-pixel sharpness, due to the weak AA filter, and the complete lack of noise reduction at a software level, i.e. nothing 'smoothes' the output. So even though there are far fewer data points in a 12MP bayer sensor than even a 35mm film frame, the signal to noise ratio is incredibly good, in several dimensions (acutance, read noise, etc). One thing no digital sensor can do in a single shot (i.e. scanning backs excluded) is make an image comparable to a 6x17cm frame, say from a Linhof Technorma 617 camera. And there is also definitely not a sensor which can capture the colour gamut of, say, Provia or Velvia slide film. Still, I must agree with this whole discussion, the megapixel race is insane, and I would have thought manufacturers to abandon it long ago. I *hope* Olympus shows the way with their future four thirds offerings... Even 10MP is already high, let's keep it there and do something amazing with DR / Noise. (wishful thinking). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 10:36:46 2009 Received: (qmail 9360 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 09:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 09:36:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E153BE18312 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEC4E24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A45361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:36:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF0D3610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:36:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9901 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2009 09:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.131.217) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 09:36:31 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49B7776A.1060401@gmail.com> References: <8CB6FF0334DE26E-12B0-4C8@WEBMAIL-MA13.sysops.aol.com> <49B7776A.1060401@gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:36:32 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: anybody experienced with LX-3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 10:36:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7862e24429117217770 They're really nice but I've found that the new generation of screens with 170deg viewing angles make that less important - especially since I learnt how to shoot while holding the camera at arm's length, teenage party style. The screen doesn't have to be in front of your face, or even close - but it's hard to break the 'eye/viewfinder' habit. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/03/2009, at 7:33 PM, Moose wrote: > The > twist and tilt screen is more than worth the price of admission. Those > things are pure magic for me. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 10:37:15 2009 Received: (qmail 1995 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 09:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 09:37:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E580E18312 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7096AE24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E1419DFFF for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:36:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC9A19DFFC for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:36:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30187 invoked by uid 502); 11 Mar 2009 09:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.161.211) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Mar 2009 09:36:46 -0000 Message-ID: <49B78629.7050805@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:36:41 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 10:37:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7864b243061470116606 Andrew Fildes wrote: > .... > 12mp compacts are just plain ludicrous. > I disagree. That surprised me when it happened. But experience trumps pre-conceived ideas. As I wrote before, direct comparison of images of the same subject proved to me that the 12 mp A650 is a better 6 mp camera than the 6 mp F30 for all uses I would put them to except for moving subjects in low light. According to the Thom Hogan review Mike just posted about, the G10 slightly ups the lowest ISO image quality of the G9 (Which is the same imaging system as the A650.) There's nothing wrong with lots of pixels, if they are decent ones, even half decent. As long as I can down sample and beat the best 6mp digi I know of, where's the down side? The up side for me is flexibility. As someone already pointed out, lots of pixels means lots of possibilities for cropping without ending up with too few pixels. Last Wednesday, I was off to meet some friends for lunch. It had just stopped raining, so I jumped in the convertible and drove down. As I stepped out of the car, I noticed a small plant trying to survive in a crack in the pavement. Doomed, of course, as this iss a quite busy street, but I liked the image, with the plant and street still quite wet and the sun lighting them. OK, sure, If I had an assistant to block traffic for a few minutes, I could get down on my knees on a wet street, take a really careful, thoughtfully composed shot - and go to lunch with wet, dirty pants from the knees down. Or I could go home, get the big camera and hope the light hasn't gone off... - yeah, right. As it was, I pulled the A650 off my belt, leaned down a bit, just took a shot before the wave of cars from the light that just changed roared up, walked on and was exactly on time for lunch (All other participants were women, so I was alone for a while. ;-) ) Here are the results of the grab shot: Full frame - 12 mp - doesn't do much for me. It puts it in perspective, but it's a bit blah for me. Cropped to about 23% - 2.8 mp - I get a composition I rather like, with plant in relation to worn paving. Details of the oil slick on the water become clear, and I like the red rock in the lower left. Finally, at full, original pixels, I get a composition that focuses on the plucky, but doomed plant. There seems to me to be enough detail resolved to make the image work at web image size. I just don't see how I lose anything by having 12 mp, but I do see how much I gain. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 10:40:12 2009 Received: (qmail 9020 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 09:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 09:40:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB74E182FD for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B3BE24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4B019E023 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:40:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2F819E00A for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:40:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10133 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2009 09:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.131.217) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 09:40:01 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49B77CA0.10804@gmail.com> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> <49B19D62.5020800@blueyonder.co.uk> <9052CC95-C7CC-4B64-873E-727440C14457@people.net.au> <49B77CA0.10804@gmail.com> Message-Id: <226E6FED-1974-4CF3-B397-2E53C866C70D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:40:02 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 10:40:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b786fc25511946193717 I'm talking 5-7 year olds - they like them as toys. But I usually get 2-3mp reasonable models anyway. You've got to be really good to use a 1.3mp model, or a sub-1mp. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/03/2009, at 7:56 PM, Moose wrote: > You can't go back too far, at least for kids. I was given an Oly > D-460. > The 1.3 mp images aren't anything to write home about, much poorer IQ > than a 2mp Canon only a year newer. The Canon is no speed demon in > some > respects, but the Oly is Stoooone Slooow in every operational > respect. I > can't see any kid I know putting up with that. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 10:45:26 2009 Received: (qmail 18305 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 09:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 09:45:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7767BE18307 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A691E24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357F4361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:45:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C0C3610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:45:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11515 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2009 09:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.131.217) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 09:45:14 -0000 In-Reply-To: <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:45:15 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 10:45:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b78835145991993019900 Even so, using the D3x for a couple of weeks has been an amazing experience. The sheer detail in the images when working over them at 100% is quite amazing. They have a place, a raison d'etre. Been shooting bikini shots with it this week - well, every old geezer needs a hobby. :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/03/2009, at 8:16 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Still, I must agree with this whole discussion, the megapixel race is > insane, and I would have > thought manufacturers to abandon it long ago. I *hope* Olympus shows > the way with their future > four thirds offerings... Even 10MP is already high, let's keep it > there and do something amazing > with DR / Noise. (wishful thinking). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 12:04:13 2009 Received: (qmail 9113 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 11:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 11:04:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4840BE182FF for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48835E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C50361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:04:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4861A3610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:04:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25791 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2009 11:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.131.217) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 11:03:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49B78629.7050805@gmail.com> References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> <49B78629.7050805@gmail.com> Message-Id: <4FB13EEC-1B6B-42B5-9C76-1149AF894582@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:03:59 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 12:04:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b79aad74361499373980 I should have been a lot more er...y'know, loquacious. What I meant is that I handle a lot of compacts designed for sale to handbag holders and pocket wearers who will NEVER print them larger than A4. EVER. Some will never print at all. They assume that more megapickles equals better quality image. Foolish. What it provides is slower computer performance as they resize them to small sizes for emailing or websites. And the need for bigger cards, slower shooting and all that. For that market, anything over six is silly. Really smart enthusiasts and semi-pro's like us can extract the maximum performance from reasonable compacts of course which is why we like ones with RAW, even if we have to weasel it out ourselves. ;-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au www.pbase.com/afildes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 12:42:41 2009 Received: (qmail 11581 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 11:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 11:42:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD456E18315 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8085E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A234B361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:42:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371813610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:42:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090311114235.KRVF12334.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:42:35 +0000 Message-Id: <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:42:33 -0400 References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 12:42:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7a3b1213271257536491 On Mar 11, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Even so, using the D3x for a couple of weeks has been an amazing > experience. > The sheer detail in the images when working over them at 100% is > quite amazing. > They have a place, a raison d'etre. > > Been shooting bikini shots with it this week - well, every old geezer > needs a hobby. :-) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au So, is it not in the best interests of this list to post some of the better bikini samples from the D3x, so that we can see for ourselves this wonder Nykon has created? --Bob "In the Interest of Science" Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 12:59:59 2009 Received: (qmail 25820 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 11:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 11:59:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC23E182FC for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5714E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A5519E343 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:59:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1616619E334 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:59:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (martin.walters@nrcan-rncan.gc.ca whitelisted) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:59:40 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:59:40 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49B70D0C.5000006@dementia.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Black Pen FT bodies - real or ersatz Thread-Index: Acmh5Ld2B8eWfT58QhG48W9Ebpk87QAWwDHA References: <49B695AA.5020601@rogers.com> <49B70D0C.5000006@dementia.org> From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2009 11:59:40.0730 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBE081A0:01C9A240] Subject: Re: [OM] Black Pen FT bodies - real or ersatz X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 12:59:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7a7bf32551946193717 Mark: Thanks for those comments. I'm intrigued that the FT controls are aluminium (i.e., anodized) and not steel, but I've never looked that closely. Obviously, the best situation is when the camera can be examined directly. Eb*y is not the best for that, of course. I suspect we'll start seeing the same treatment for other bodies where black versions carry a $$ premium (e.g., SP, Trip among Oly cameras). Martin -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dapoz [mailto:md@dementia.org] Sent: March 10, 2009 21:00 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Black Pen FT bodies - real or ersatz Martin Walters said the following on 3/10/09 12:30 PM: > I've resisted buying a black FT, because of the price premium, and > because I'd read (somewhere)that black bodies are easily faked. Lot of > $$ for nothing, if it's a fake. > > This listing on Eb*y (160320350973)complicates things further. While > the finish looks excellent, it seems to me that it makes buying a > genuine black body in really good condition a crap shoot. > > Are there any ways to tell genuine from repro? A black conversion or respray almost always leaves some signs although they might be difficult to spot from a photo. In this particular case the controls on a real black FT such as the film advance lever, shutter release, etc., aren't painted, they're anodized for durability. It'll be obvious when examining the parts in person if they're painted black or anodized black (wipe some acetone on them if in doubt :-). Other signs would be signs of wear on the rest of the body parts such as the lens mount and film rails. A pristine exterior paint should be matched with a pristine body. -mark -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 14:06:07 2009 Received: (qmail 8052 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 13:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 13:06:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD057E1830E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489E1E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3295D361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:05:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37383610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:05:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.211.116]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KGC00CR1F1RDK41@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:05:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49B7B736.1060708@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:05:58 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> In-reply-to: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 14:06:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7b73e240301234514069 We love the crocus! Nice picture, but many people are not moved by flowers any more. 24 years ago, I planted purple crocus bulbs at the edge of our lawn next to the front steps. They came up a week ago. A few dots of color to mark the end of winter. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jim Nichols wrote: > This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html > > Thanks, > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 14:29:30 2009 Received: (qmail 4030 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 13:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 13:29:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B46E18308 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0ABBE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC7F19E582 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:29:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C15C19E532 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:29:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ogreve@millennics.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp3.dyxs.nl (199-61.bbned.dsl.internl.net [92.254.61.199]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.27] (rt25bb146-89-44.routit.net [89.146.25.44]) by smtp3.dyxs.nl with ESMTP (Mailtraq/2.11.0.2198) id SMTP9B167FF1 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:29:05 +0100 Message-Id: <5F596A9A-2061-416C-BDE5-18C32A66DDFB@millennics.com> From: Olaf Greve To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:29:02 +0100 References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com><499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com><499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [OM] TOPE 37: new entry, anonymity lifted and TOPE 38 opening of shooting season X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 14:29:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7bcba21961585427447 Hiya, Some news from the TOPE front: Firstly, a great new entry has just been added to the TOPE 37 gallaery, and the anonymity period has been lifted, so go check out the latest updates at the gallery! Also, the shooting season of TOPE 38 "Hot or Cold" has just opened (and will be open until roughly April 21st). The theme abstract is: "Some like it hot, and some not. In this theme you are free to choose whether you want to show something that is related to 'hot' or to 'cold', or a combination of the two, if you can find one..." Have fun browsing the TOPE 37 gallery, and taking pictures for TOPE 38! :) Cheers, Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to TOPE 37: http://www.tope.nl/tope_index_page.php?event=37 Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 14:31:57 2009 Received: (qmail 29007 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 13:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 13:31:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A576E182E7 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F32E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3A319E5A1 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D810619E34F for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (davidt@omega.apdata.com.au whitelisted) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (cerberus.apdata.com.au [202.14.95.17]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C44B813 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:01:46 +1030 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (mail.apdata.com.au [192.168.252.16]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4689ABA88 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:01:45 +1030 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2700B116E8C for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:01:45 +1030 (CST) Received: from rocket.omega.apdata.com.au (unknown [192.168.244.19]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE57C116E8B for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:01:44 +1030 (CST) Received: by rocket.omega.apdata.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6F1F556494; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:01:44 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:01:44 +1030 From: David Thatcher To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20090311133144.GA65713@rocket.omega.apdata.com.au> References: <1820CC79-DF03-4418-A369-06FC3D800A6E@threeshoes.net> <20090309170238.LZ9MM.318595.root@cdptpa-web26-z02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/tasklogger.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.063 X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/testcode.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.083 X-Spam-Not-Checked: Message sender whitelisted X-Complete-Junk: NO X-NSGproxy-Conv: 172.31.254.5:11392 -> 67.131.251.53:25 X-NSGproxy-Policy: CERBERUS Outbound X-NSGproxy-Service: CERBERUS-SMTP X-NSGproxy-MsgID: 3570ac1ffe0549b7bd473d3b40 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 14:31:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7bd4d17521744846740 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 04:21:05PM +1100, Andrew Fildes wrote: > But damn, I miss it sometimes. And a darker view from a melancholic > moment while revisiting... > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/london_again > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au ... I'm not sure from whose point of view, but 'bittersweet' is the word that springs to mind... <*sniffle*> davidt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 14:43:36 2009 Received: (qmail 9291 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 13:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 13:43:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD7EE18304 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84210E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719CC19E628 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:43:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A22819E5FF for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:43:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so9857bwz.14 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:43:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.15 with SMTP id k15mr168822bkq.118.1236779009050; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:43:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:43:28 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 00a57b605d5aa4b5 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 14:43:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7c008320251342116753 Bob "In the Interest of Science" Whitmire wrote: > So, is it not in the best interests of this list to post some of the > better bikini samples from the D3x, so that we can see for ourselves > this wonder Nykon has created? > I think it's a close shave over the D3. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 14:46:43 2009 Received: (qmail 2131 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 13:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 13:46:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069C5E18309 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB1DE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B10B19E64B for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:46:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BDD19E648 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:46:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090311134636.GVTG3201.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:46:36 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:46:35 -0400 References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 14:46:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7c0c3253182070262475 On Mar 11, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Bob "In the Interest of Science" Whitmire wrote: > >> So, is it not in the best interests of this list to post some of the >> better bikini samples from the D3x, so that we can see for ourselves >> this wonder Nykon has created? >> > > > I think it's a close shave over the D3. A hair's breadth, no doubt. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 14:55:01 2009 Received: (qmail 14973 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 13:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 13:54:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D123E18308 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF25FE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8423610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:54:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43A83610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:54:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12657 invoked by uid 504); 11 Mar 2009 13:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Mar 2009 13:54:53 -0000 Message-ID: <49B7C2AC.105@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:54:52 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au> <49B78629.7050805@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49B78629.7050805@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090310-0, 03/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 14:55:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7c2b5185141470116606 I like the first crop better and, at 2.8 MP there's enough there for a good 5x7 if not an 8x10. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> .... >> 12mp compacts are just plain ludicrous. >> > > I disagree. That surprised me when it happened. But experience trumps > pre-conceived ideas. > > As I wrote before, direct comparison of images of the same subject > proved to me that the 12 mp A650 is a better 6 mp camera than the 6 mp > F30 for all uses I would put them to except for moving subjects in low > light. > > According to the Thom Hogan review Mike just posted about, the G10 > slightly ups the lowest ISO image quality of the G9 (Which is the same > imaging system as the A650.) > > There's nothing wrong with lots of pixels, if they are decent ones, even > half decent. As long as I can down sample and beat the best 6mp digi I > know of, where's the down side? > > The up side for me is flexibility. As someone already pointed out, lots > of pixels means lots of possibilities for cropping without ending up > with too few pixels. Last Wednesday, I was off to meet some friends for > lunch. It had just stopped raining, so I jumped in the convertible and > drove down. As I stepped out of the car, I noticed a small plant trying > to survive in a crack in the pavement. > > Doomed, of course, as this iss a quite busy street, but I liked the > image, with the plant and street still quite wet and the sun lighting > them. OK, sure, If I had an assistant to block traffic for a few > minutes, I could get down on my knees on a wet street, take a really > careful, thoughtfully composed shot - and go to lunch with wet, dirty > pants from the knees down. Or I could go home, get the big camera and > hope the light hasn't gone off... - yeah, right. > > As it was, I pulled the A650 off my belt, leaned down a bit, just took a > shot before the wave of cars from the light that just changed roared up, > walked on and was exactly on time for lunch (All other participants were > women, so I was alone for a while. ;-) ) > > Here are the results of the grab shot: > > Full frame - 12 mp - doesn't do much for me. It puts it in perspective, > but it's a bit blah for me. > > > Cropped to about 23% - 2.8 mp - I get a composition I rather like, with > plant in relation to worn paving. Details of the oil slick on the water > become clear, and I like the red rock in the lower left. > > > Finally, at full, original pixels, I get a composition that focuses on > the plucky, but doomed plant. There seems to me to be enough detail > resolved to make the image work at web image size. > > > I just don't see how I lose anything by having 12 mp, but I do see how > much I gain. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 15:06:12 2009 Received: (qmail 24773 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 14:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 14:06:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A70E182E7 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A104E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528423610011 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6C43610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:06:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18895 invoked by uid 504); 11 Mar 2009 14:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090310-0, 03/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 15:06:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7c55389502046811720 B-58s also make excellent alarm clocks if, as I did in the mid-60's, you live under the flight path of Kelly AFB. :-) Chuck Norcutt Paul Laughlin wrote: > The inertial guidance systems do not guess at all. Even the system in the > B-58, which, incidentally was analog, used an astrotracker to determine > position on earth. I am sure that, today, they use GPS. There was also > input from a fluxgate compass so that the platform had a north reference. > The gyro-stabilized table is erected to be gravitationally level and > pointing to North. At this point there is zero static (gravitational) > acceleration. Now the gyroscopes maintain the platform at this position. > The aircraft rotates about it. Any movement of the aircraft then effects > the accelerometers. There are correction factors that are necessary such as > coriolis effect and others, which are taken into consideration, of course. > You can get aircraft pitch, roll and azimuth position by checking the > aircraft attitude in reference to that stable platform. > The B-58 system was pretty much a pioneer in Inertial Guidance for aircraft. > My primary responsibility was the in shop maintenance of the > gyro-stabilization and astrotracker systems. Troubleshooting and repair. > That was in the B-58 Test Force and later in the 43rd Bomb Wing. As a > completely useless piece of info, the B-58 was a maintenance man's > nightmare. Required something like 1000 hours of maintenance to get 1 hour > of flying time. It did set several speed records, though. Won the Bleriot > Trophy, and then while flying to the Paris Air Show to receive it, set a > speed record from New York to Paris. Still stands, as far as I know. > The Inertial Guidance systems are very much more sophisticated these days, > but the principles are pretty much the same. > Paul in Portland OR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Barker" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:40 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > > >> That sounds reasonable, thanks, Mark. All IN systems have to guess at >> their position on the earth before being aligned. They need this to >> know what the angular acceleration should be so as to erect the >> platform level. Presumably the local gravitational force is part of >> the erection and alighnment process. >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 15:19:24 2009 Received: (qmail 3153 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 14:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 14:19:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E09E18313 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A02EE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CBB19E7BB for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:19:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A9C19E7C0 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:19:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27192 invoked by uid 504); 11 Mar 2009 14:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Mar 2009 14:19:18 -0000 Message-ID: <49B7C865.1060507@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:19:17 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090310-0, 03/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 15:19:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7c86c95991234514069 I think it looks much better by applying a curve to further brighten the highlights and subdue the darker background areas. An "S" curve centered around the midpoint works well. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html > > Thanks, > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 15:22:24 2009 Received: (qmail 17010 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 14:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 14:22:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538C9E182F3 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E56E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C01D3610010 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:22:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E74C361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:22:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090311142217.GMSS15713.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:22:17 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id RqNH1b00F4Z9Gks02qNHKd; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:22:17 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6MHIg36-oEk1cAPGehAA:9 a=alTTlbk8t-HR2XrjmAaJ2KUgszUA:4 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <49B16B18.2090005@gmail.com> <83EDC275-EA8E-4439-A1D0-BABD922C2B49@people.net.au><49B78629.7050805@gmail.com> <4FB13EEC-1B6B-42B5-9C76-1149AF894582@people.net.au> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:22:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 15:22:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7c920321371529615919 >I should have been a lot more er...y'know, loquacious. > What I meant is that I handle a lot of compacts designed for sale to > handbag holders and pocket wearers who will NEVER print them larger > than A4. EVER. Some will never print at all. > > I am astonished at the number of people that I know that own digital cameras. Almost everyone, and yet I know no one, except myself, that makes ANY PRINTS AT ALL. I may, as well, be the only person that downloads photos to a computer for safe storage. I am also the only person that I know that uses more than one big memory card. I'm not sure that a lot of people even know that memory cards are interchangable. Astonishing. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 15:22:56 2009 Received: (qmail 26378 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 14:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 14:22:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EF1E182EB for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A936E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E71B361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:22:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1A83610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:22:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090311142250.CYBJ4139.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:22:50 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id RqNq1b00A4Z9Gks02qNqeU; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:22:50 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=MJU4OpJeAAAA:8 a=D6A5qe75AAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=K-OddIEP7cFP_1oJ89sA:9 a=uuVQuU5GN7ZcIltk6ocA:7 a=_bkpk0SLMkY14-p7DIlcpmAHE7EA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <65CA3557881C49B2BE47C8C33128C0CD@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg><6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:22:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 15:22:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7c940149151869477228 Inquiring minds want to know! Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Whitmire" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough > On Mar 11, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> Even so, using the D3x for a couple of weeks has been an amazing >> experience. >> The sheer detail in the images when working over them at 100% is >> quite amazing. >> They have a place, a raison d'etre. >> >> Been shooting bikini shots with it this week - well, every old geezer >> needs a hobby. :-) >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au > > So, is it not in the best interests of this list to post some of the > better bikini samples from the D3x, so that we can see for ourselves > this wonder Nykon has created? > > --Bob "In the Interest of Science" Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1993 - Release Date: 03/10/09 07:19:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 15:28:57 2009 Received: (qmail 27856 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 14:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 14:28:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A879E182F9 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290C0E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6A319E827 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:28:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB7B19E84D for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:28:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (castanet.xiosnetworks@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so12768tid.10 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:28:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.110.42.1 with SMTP id p1mr12149473tip.12.1236781726993; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:28:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:28:46 +0800 Message-ID: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> From: khen lim To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 15:28:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7caa9311234514069 This is not the official word from Olympus but... I was subjected to open showers just a few days ago with the E-30 in hand. Other than to try to avoid rain getting to the front of the 14-54mm, the whole outfit was pretty much exposed. Like that infamous promo picture of water drops on the E-3, mine was no different. Granted it wasn't the usual tropical rainstorm but it was enough to give it a reasonable test. And it came through very well...at least it still turns on the last time I looked at the E-30. :) So there. K. 2009/3/9 Ken Norton > Some people think that weather sealing is highly overrated. I don't in t= he > least. If it wasn't for the mammoth E-30 review soaking up almost the > entire weekend (www.zone-10.com) (Thanks Khen for the epic...), I'd have > the > shot prepped and ready to show. But it will have to wait until next week= 's > "Picture of the Week". > > Saturday evening, we were driving back home in the rain when I noticed the > nice reflections in the water. I dropped the family off at home, grabbed > the E-1 with 14-54 and headed back downtown to take some pictures. Now, > granted, as I looked around, all of the wet pavement shots looked like > every > other wet pavement shot at night you've ever seen. Essentially a cliche. > > I ended up across the street from the Strand Theater, and the marquee was > reflecting nicely in the street, but the contrast level was out of sight. > So, I put the camera in 5-bracket mode (with 1 stop steps), 2-second > anti-shock delay, manual focused and as the camera was sitting on my stur= dy > tripod, just fired away. > > But did I mention that it was raining and just a couple degrees above > freezing? All said and done, the camera was exposed to the elements for > around a half hour and was soaked. > > My ONLY problem was that the battery in the battery-grip was getting a > little "soft". I've noticed that the higher capacity battery in the > vertical grip doesn't do as well in cold weather as the smaller BLM-1 > batteries inside the camera. The camera generates enough heat to keep the > BLM-1 from lagging too much, but the high-capacity battery is outside the > camera itself and not getting the benefit of the heat. > > Anyway, the moral of this story is that when you have an E-1, you ain't > afraid to use it in any condition. If I had the non-sealed E-30, I would > have been covering it up with a shower-cap or something. I enjoy not > having > to worry about my cameras. > > It really is freedom! > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people=94 - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 15:36:19 2009 Received: (qmail 32529 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 14:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 14:36:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89C4E182E0 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7FBE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB4F3610010 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:36:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF0A3610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:36:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:36:13 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2BEa9cv000700 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:36:11 GMT Message-ID: <12900366AC23403AA6980F5E89639400@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols><9e908c1f0903101106x1e7d75f4t49e77c49632dd4af@mail.gmail.com><7D86D3E237EE4526BB68F8BFD62B0F3E@jimnichols> <892A5F69-1663-4FDA-8C94-EFF7C26D6A24@threeshoes.net> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:36:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 15:36:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7cc63153461470116606 Thanks, Chris. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > Jim > > I like the texture of the petals that I can see now. > > Chris > > On 10 Mar 2009, at 19:38, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Joel, >> >> I went out with my E-510 and Elmarit-R 2.8/28 and photographed the >> same >> blooms one day later. Now the blooms are open and the stamens are >> fully >> formed. Thought you might like this better. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+One+Day+Later.tif.html > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 15:37:41 2009 Received: (qmail 14675 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 14:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 14:37:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19877E18305 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F01E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8217D19E816 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC69219E882 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2BEbX5E001388 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:37:35 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <49B7C865.1060507@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:37:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 15:37:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7ccb51681838542571 Thanks, Chuck Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring >I think it looks much better by applying a curve to further brighten the > highlights and subdue the darker background areas. An "S" curve > centered around the midpoint works well. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on >> another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 15:56:55 2009 Received: (qmail 15373 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 14:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 14:56:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196DAE1830B for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C89EE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEF819E96C for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:56:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA6F19E974 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:56:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LhPrT-0002bW-RV for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:56:48 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:56:46 -0000 Message-ID: <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcmiVbbTkigrvAi9TNSKbEHzYvQwBQAA7T3Q X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090310-0, 10/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/9087/Wed Mar 11 03:09:54 2009, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 15:56:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7d137287203675314703 The test is not whether it turned on the last time, Khen, but whether it will turn on the next time! Piers -----Original Message----- From: khen lim [mailto:castanet.xiosnetworks@gmail.com] Sent: 11 March 2009 14:29 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not --snip at least it still turns on the last time I looked at the E-30. :) So there. K. --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 16:30:53 2009 Received: (qmail 5245 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 15:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 15:30:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012C8E182F8 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AD5E24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81103610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:30:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC0C361000F for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:30:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (castanet.xiosnetworks@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so23582tid.10 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:30:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.110.42.1 with SMTP id p1mr13094152tip.18.1236785443677; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:30:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:30:43 +0800 Message-ID: <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> From: khen lim To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 16:30:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7d92d142001744846740 LOL. Touch=E9, Piers. :) Just flicked the switch to ON....the camera shuddered....brrr...brrr...brrr...that's the IS.1 kicking in and the blue light flickered...that's SSWF. Viewfinder info? Check, Autofocus? Check. Main and sub dials? Check. LCD monitor info? Check. LCD panel info? Check. LiveView? Check. Flash? Check. Shutter release? Check. DOF preview button? Check. Exp Comp button? Check. ISO button? Check. WB button? Check. Anything else? :) K. 2009/3/11 Piers Hemy > The test is not whether it turned on the last time, Khen, but whether it > will turn on the next time! > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: khen lim [mailto:castanet.xiosnetworks@gmail.com] > Sent: 11 March 2009 14:29 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not > > --snip > > at least it still turns on the last time I looked at the E-30. :) > > So there. > > > K. > > --snip > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people=94 - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 16:34:05 2009 Received: (qmail 11259 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 15:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 15:34:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56A0E182E9 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC29E24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22970361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:33:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956F8361000F for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:33:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rlovison@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0108.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm0207.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0108.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7972CC3ACB6 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:33:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm0207 Received: by dm0207.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 049c51f1) id dm0207.49b6ab4b.110d27 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:33:55 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQMZKi9Jt9nj7TVDmAIAAAAB,e38be63f93f85ca24b812cebffafc961 Message-ID: <49B7D9E1.9000204@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:33:53 -0400 From: Richard Lovison User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090310-0, 03/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 16:34:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7d9ed41781470116606 khen lim wrote: > LOL. Touch=E9, Piers. :) > Just flicked the switch to ON....the camera > shuddered....brrr...brrr...brrr...that's the IS.1 kicking in and the blue > light flickered...that's SSWF. > = > Viewfinder info? Check, > Autofocus? Check. > Main and sub dials? Check. > LCD monitor info? Check. > LCD panel info? Check. > LiveView? Check. > Flash? Check. > Shutter release? Check. > DOF preview button? Check. > Exp Comp button? Check. > ISO button? Check. > WB button? Check. > = > Anything else? :) Yeah, did you open up the drain plug at the bottom? -- = Richard Lovison Photography http://www.richardlovison.com -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 16:40:04 2009 Received: (qmail 13781 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 15:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 15:40:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CF6E182FF for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08058E24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA1B19EA73 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:39:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C6B19EA7F for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:39:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so54468bwz.14 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:39:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.62.68 with SMTP id w4mr142820bkh.93.1236785994606; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:39:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:39:54 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 501bffbeffc0172e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 16:40:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7db54109651023412894 > > Just flicked the switch to ON....the camera > shuddered....brrr...brrr...brrr...that's the IS.1 kicking in and the blue > light flickered...that's SSWF. > > Viewfinder info? Check, > Autofocus? Check. > Main and sub dials? Check. > LCD monitor info? Check. > LCD panel info? Check. > LiveView? Check. > Flash? Check. > Shutter release? Check. > DOF preview button? Check. > Exp Comp button? Check. > ISO button? Check. > WB button? Check. > > Anything else? :) > > Oops. Obviously it's broken. No Err99. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 16:41:59 2009 Received: (qmail 7689 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 15:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 15:41:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F12E182F5 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBE7E24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E047A3618016 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:41:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9CA3610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:41:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (castanet.xiosnetworks@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so25380tid.10 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:41:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.110.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr13159022tiu.4.1236786111785; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:41:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:41:51 +0800 Message-ID: <7e764efe0903110841n53868893l47355bfabe33ac8f@mail.gmail.com> From: khen lim To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 16:41:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7dbc7319971234514069 LMAO! Nice one. Maybe it needs one of them firmware updates! K. 2009/3/11 Ken Norton > > > > Just flicked the switch to ON....the camera > > shuddered....brrr...brrr...brrr...that's the IS.1 kicking in and the bl= ue > > light flickered...that's SSWF. > > > > Viewfinder info? Check, > > Autofocus? Check. > > Main and sub dials? Check. > > LCD monitor info? Check. > > LCD panel info? Check. > > LiveView? Check. > > Flash? Check. > > Shutter release? Check. > > DOF preview button? Check. > > Exp Comp button? Check. > > ISO button? Check. > > WB button? Check. > > > > Anything else? :) > > > > > Oops. Obviously it's broken. No Err99. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people=94 - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 16:44:32 2009 Received: (qmail 29919 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 15:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 15:44:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E24BE182F0 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51609E24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45AD43610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:44:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FD63610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:44:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LhQbY-00048U-Li for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:44:24 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.5]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LhQbY-0007o5-5g for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:44:24 +0000 Message-ID: <49B7DC60.7010509@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:44:32 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> <49B7D9E1.9000204@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49B7D9E1.9000204@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 16:44:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7dc6082302070262475 Richard Lovison wrote: > khen lim wrote: >> LOL. Touch=E9, Piers. :) >> Just flicked the switch to ON....the camera >> shuddered....brrr...brrr...brrr...that's the IS.1 kicking in and the blue >> light flickered...that's SSWF. >> >> >> Anything else? :) > = > Yeah, did you open up the drain plug at the bottom? > = Oddly enough, I got the E-400 damp just on Sunday. Windy, wet = conditions, we were out at South Queensferry for lunch at the Hawes Inn = (wife's birthday). Didn't get very wet, but well covered with spots of driven rain while I = helped my old mum out to the car. Still works fine. Worries fading, though still there. D. -- = I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 16:54:44 2009 Received: (qmail 29126 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 15:54:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 15:54:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C5AE182E7 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0C2E24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5CA361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:54:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487353610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:54:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jim.timpe@fluke.com whitelisted) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id DE88DFA7V1 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:54:37 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:53:57 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Highly overrated? Not thread-index: AcmiX6kyZVAsZ/zvT0ujP+5HI7X6yQAAc2mA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2009 15:54:37.0377 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE222310:01C9A261] Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 16:54:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7dec4275057350615338 > Anything else? :) > > Did the LCD wiper blade still function? What good's a display with rain drops all over it? Jim -- Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. 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We have only one or two bulbs left after many years. We suspect the hungry squirrels dined on the bulbs. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > We love the crocus! Nice picture, but many people are not moved by > flowers any more. 24 years ago, I planted purple crocus bulbs at the > edge of our lawn next to the front steps. They came up a week ago. A > few dots of color to mark the end of winter. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on >> another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 17:13:05 2009 Received: (qmail 31809 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 16:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 16:13:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1293E18303 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4839FE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3890A19EB44 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:13:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C13D19EB3F for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:13:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rq7W1b00N0lTkoCA2sD0uS; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:13:00 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RsD01b0072Axmu48QsD0A1; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:13:00 +0000 Message-ID: <0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:13:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 17:13:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7e311313911234514069 Oh Yeah!! I used to live under the landing pattern for Carswell AFB, and we not only got the occasional B-58, but B-36s. Used to say that the railroad runs through the middle of the house. Those six 4360s and four J57s could really shake things up. The reason for there only being an occasional B-58 was they were in the test program. That being said, when they flew there was also an F102 as a chase plane. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > B-58s also make excellent alarm clocks if, as I did in the mid-60's, you > live under the flight path of Kelly AFB. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 17:20:07 2009 Received: (qmail 21498 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 16:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 16:20:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3670E182EE for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55012E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460653610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:19:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169A9361801B for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:19:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so28720fkq.14 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:19:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.77.81 with SMTP id f17mr160682bkk.78.1236788392208; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:19:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:19:52 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a6363456412c181c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 17:20:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7e4b7301022046811720 > > Did the LCD wiper blade still function? What good's a display with rain > drops all over it? > Rain-X. There was one time that I thoroughly soaked my OM-2S. It was one of those two hours in a light rain situations. The only reason why I didn't get too worried is because it was already flaking out over another issue and the next day it was to be sent to John H. I asked John if the water did any damage inside the camera and he indicated that it was as clean as a whistle (or whatever it is that a Long Islander says). I stopped worrying about the OM cameras at that point. The one thing I learned many years ago about cold weather shooting and I suspect that the 25% failure rate on LL's Antarctica expedition was caused by this. DO NOT put your camera inside your parka when out in the cold. The air inside your parka is warm, but extremely moist. What happens is that every time you put the camera in the warm environment, moisture forms on the camera and due to the temperature differential inside vs outside of the camera, moisture will be sucked right in past any seals. Then you take the camera back out, it freezes inside the camera or ends up migrating further inside. If it is so cold that the batteries are giving you grief, keep a pair of spares inside a pocket or in a bag that contains a chemical hand-warmer. But cycling the camera inside and outside is sure to cause problems. When I'm out shooting eagles or something in the extreme cold and I'm not near the jeep, I will place a couple chemical hand warmers in the bag to keep the lenses and cameras thawed out enough that the lubricant doesn't congeal to the point where the focus rings won't turn. But this is much different than under your parka because the inside of the bag is not damp. But, all that said, someone is going to pipe up and say "I've put my camera under my parka for 50 years and never had a problem." AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 17:26:38 2009 Received: (qmail 20861 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 16:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 16:26:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE8EE182EC for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF35E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833003610010 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:26:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AF33610011 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:26:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8E92D9B8B8 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:26:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id emjjtdQIhEie for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BC82D9B8A9 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <505E1990-AC1A-4221-A5ED-522AC49C2265@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:26:26 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Warmer? Cooler? [was IMG: March 1st Snow in Mid-South] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 17:26:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7e63e205617350615338 > From: Moose > > Ken Norton wrote: >> >> There is a good argument that "Chaos Theory" is just plain bad >> science... I maintain that Chaos Theory is poor science and a way >> of saying "There is something weird going on here that I haven't >> quantified yet." > > I disagree. I believe you are mocking what you don't understand. I > could > go on, but suggest that you take a look at Chaos - The Making of a New > Science, by James Gleick. An excellent reference, Moose! Chaos theory is best summarized as the study of dynamic systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions, such that, over time, they appear random. Although such systems are indeed deterministic, parts-per-trillion differences in the initial conditions can cause completely different results in relatively short periods of time. This is perhaps where Ken gets the idea that it's just "bad science:" if one could make all physical measurements with infinite precision, chaotic systems would be predictable. One of the simplest and easiest examples is the "logistics equation" used in modelling trophic (food-energy transfer) systems in ecology, which can easily be modelled and graphed in a common spreadsheet. One famous example is the lynx-hare population studies in Canada. For a grad-level ecology class I took in the early '90's, I plugged human numbers in for the predator, and oil reserves for the prey, and predicted gross instability around 2005. (I was a few years early, it appears. I can't tell you *when* the population crashes like the lynxes do, but in all my runs, it *did* crash. :-) Other simple, easily plotted examples of chaotic systems include the Lorenz transform and the Mandlebrot set. Real-world chaotic systems are tremendously complex things, with extreme sensitivity to dozens of initial conditions. Thus the speculation that a butterfly flapping its wings in Beijing could cause a thunderstorm a week later in Toronto. While this particular example could never be proven nor disproven, I think it's a useful illustration. Some people like to (ad)use chaos theory to debunk complex problems like climate change: "We can't possibly predict that accurately, so let's have a party and not worry." And yet, volition can play a part in chaotic systems: the wolves of Isle Royal (which have a matriarchal society) seem to wilfully limit their reproduction as the supply of moose goes down. When you live on an island, you're aware of your boundaries. Will humans learn to live on their planetary island, or will chaos inevitably result? :::: Giving society cheap, abundant energy at this point would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun. -- Paul Ehrlich :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 18:46:55 2009 Received: (qmail 1825 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 17:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 17:46:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1973FE182E1 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1E6E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DB3361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:46:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C943610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:46:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28808 invoked by uid 504); 11 Mar 2009 17:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Mar 2009 17:46:43 -0000 Message-ID: <49B7F902.1090309@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:46:42 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <436E5733-46D7-4E9C-B9A2-382B316D0377@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090310-0, 03/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 9: Charleroi to Alicante X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 18:46:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7f90f323202336821329 Agreed. She was the only thing I considered of much interest this week. Maybe it's just me as I normally find 3 or 4 that I like. I tried a couple B&W conversions thinking that might help some images but it didn't help. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > Hey, the cheese shop lady ain't half bad, either! > > As I said on your PAW site, I think you should talk with the lovely > fishmonger and arrange to do a whole day recording her. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > On Mar 10, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> Last week started in Belgium and finished in Alicante with some nice >> spring weather. There is also the usual attractive fishmonger, my >> uncles from France and the US, and much else: >> >> http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=197 >> >> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 19:04:01 2009 Received: (qmail 11750 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 18:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 18:04:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C2FE182F3 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4CDE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C48B3610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:03:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DCD3610011 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:03:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LhSmU-0000iT-6g for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:03:50 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.5]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1LhSmT-0007Pj-Nb for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:03:49 +0000 Message-ID: <49B7FD14.4030701@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:04:04 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <436E5733-46D7-4E9C-B9A2-382B316D0377@frozenlight.eu> <49B7F902.1090309@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49B7F902.1090309@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 9: Charleroi to Alicante X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 19:04:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b7fd11257822046811720 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Agreed. She was the only thing I considered of much interest this week. > Maybe it's just me as I normally find 3 or 4 that I like. I tried a > couple B&W conversions thinking that might help some images but it > didn't help. > > Chuck Norcutt > > I rather like Alt #5, because it's so European; it couldn't really be anywhere else. Personally, it would have to be France, Belgium or Luxembourg. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 19:42:50 2009 Received: (qmail 3614 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 18:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 18:42:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF64E182D9 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC05EE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5EF361801B for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:42:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021B3361800E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:42:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2963 invoked by uid 504); 11 Mar 2009 18:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090310-0, 03/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 19:42:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8062a72361591313764 The lack of print making is why our "friends" at Ritz and other photo establishments are no more. My son and daughter download and backup their digital photos onto hard drives or gold DVDs but only because they have been carefully instructed by me. A lot of folks do download their photos for sharing on the web but have no idea that their hard drives will not be spinning for the next 100 years. But others, as you suggest, probably don't even know there's a memory card behind that little door or that it even is a little door. They've never read the instruction manual. Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > >> I should have been a lot more er...y'know, loquacious. >> What I meant is that I handle a lot of compacts designed for sale to >> handbag holders and pocket wearers who will NEVER print them larger >> than A4. EVER. Some will never print at all. > > > > I am astonished at the number of people that I know that own digital > cameras. Almost everyone, and yet I know no one, except myself, that makes > ANY PRINTS AT ALL. I may, as well, be the only person that downloads photos > to a computer for safe storage. I am also the only person that I know that > uses more than one big memory card. I'm not sure that a lot of people even > know that memory cards are interchangable. > > Astonishing. > > Bill Pearce > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 20:38:12 2009 Received: (qmail 31638 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 19:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 19:38:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F1DE1831C for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC08E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718773610011 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:38:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DA23610010 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:38:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6623 invoked by uid 504); 11 Mar 2009 19:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Mar 2009 19:38:03 -0000 Message-ID: <49B8131A.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:38:02 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090310-0, 03/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 20:38:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8132476341470116606 Never seen one of those... yet. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> > Oops. Obviously it's broken. No Err99. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 20:40:31 2009 Received: (qmail 16851 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 19:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 19:40:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5C3E18302 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA6FE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468F73610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A847D3610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:40:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8028 invoked by uid 504); 11 Mar 2009 19:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Mar 2009 19:40:24 -0000 Message-ID: <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:40:24 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com> <0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> In-Reply-To: <0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090310-0, 03/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 20:40:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b813af311843675314703 B36, eh? I guess I'm not old yet. :-) Chuck Norcutt Paul Laughlin wrote: > Oh Yeah!! I used to live under the landing pattern for Carswell AFB, and we > not only got the occasional B-58, but B-36s. Used to say that the railroad > runs through the middle of the house. Those six 4360s and four J57s could > really shake things up. The reason for there only being an occasional B-58 > was they were in the test program. That being said, when they flew there > was also an F102 as a chase plane. > Paul in Portland OR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > > >> B-58s also make excellent alarm clocks if, as I did in the mid-60's, you >> live under the flight path of Kelly AFB. :-) > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 21:39:56 2009 Received: (qmail 26906 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 20:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 20:39:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15914E18318 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9522DE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880583610011 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:39:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69434361000F for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:39:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so154875fxm.14 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:39:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.63.20 with SMTP id z20mr233645bkh.200.1236803988028; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:39:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B8131A.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> <49B8131A.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:39:47 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b30ff08178b50d22 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 21:39:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8219c28921499373980 Dr Flash wrote: > Never seen one of those... yet. (Err99) That seems to be one of those catchall error codes that's used for everything from lens-camera communications failure (dirty contacts) to battery on the fritz to all-out four legs pointing to the sky dead. I see that there is a new firmware update for a couple of the models which fixes the Err99 by renaming it to other error numbers. Now, before our resident darksiders go and launch tiefighters at me and think I'm unfairly targeting their beloved axes of choice, I'm not. Every digital camera has faults--even my E-1 has one fatal one that can occur when I'm running multiple bursts of pictures and the file-writing goes into bog mode and locks the camera up for five minutes. But my point is that some cameras are more resiliant to faults than others by design. A fault which will bring one camera to its knees will be compartmentalized by another. It's kinda like Microsoft vs Mac-OS, vs Linux. The computer may be subject to something as simple as attaching/detaching a printer, which is turned on. Remember the infamous BSOD* that occured when Bill Gates was speaking at that conference? Err99 is just Canon's version of the BSOD. AG *Blue Screen Of Death -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 21:52:52 2009 Received: (qmail 5190 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 20:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 20:52:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3ED8E182E3 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC861E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5651CD48D for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:52:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51151CD484 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:52:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (castanet.xiosnetworks@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.187]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so66025tid.10 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:52:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.110.62.4 with SMTP id k4mr13459234tia.58.1236804763524; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:52:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> <49B8131A.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:52:43 +0800 Message-ID: <7e764efe0903111352k1763c8c5w1267bb98cfd87e3c@mail.gmail.com> From: khen lim To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 21:52:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b824a4124911823421471 good luck. it's been nice knowing you. :) K. 2009/3/12 Ken Norton > > That seems to be one of those catchall error codes that's used for > everything from lens-camera communications failure (dirty contacts) to > battery on the fritz to all-out four legs pointing to the sky dead. > > I see that there is a new firmware update for a couple of the models which > fixes the Err99 by renaming it to other error numbers. > > Now, before our resident darksiders go and launch tiefighters at me and > think I'm unfairly targeting their beloved axes of choice, I'm not. Every > digital camera has faults--even my E-1 has one fatal one that can occur > when > I'm running multiple bursts of pictures and the file-writing goes into bog > mode and locks the camera up for five minutes. But my point is that some > cameras are more resiliant to faults than others by design. A fault which > will bring one camera to its knees will be compartmentalized by another. > > It's kinda like Microsoft vs Mac-OS, vs Linux. The computer may be subje= ct > to something as simple as attaching/detaching a printer, which is turned > on. Remember the infamous BSOD* that occured when Bill Gates was speaking > at that conference? > > Err99 is just Canon's version of the BSOD. > > AG > > *Blue Screen Of Death > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people=94 - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 21:57:17 2009 Received: (qmail 17191 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 20:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 20:57:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBE7E182E7 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625A5E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547051CD486 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:57:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3051CD484 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:57:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so159914fxm.14 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:57:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.102.14 with SMTP id e14mr239174bko.209.1236805029987; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:57:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0903111352k1763c8c5w1267bb98cfd87e3c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> <49B8131A.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> <7e764efe0903111352k1763c8c5w1267bb98cfd87e3c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:57:09 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d46c265a6cb8b034 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 21:57:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b825ad26911869477228 > > good luck. it's been nice knowing you. :) > Yup, I'm diving for cover. I supposed I would have been better off just criticizing Olympus. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 22:05:56 2009 Received: (qmail 2931 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 21:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 21:05:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB58E182ED for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9D5E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF541CD486 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:05:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17F11CD484 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:05:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (castanet.xiosnetworks@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.184]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so67657tid.10 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:05:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.110.57.5 with SMTP id f5mr13503100tia.49.1236805548212; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:05:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> <49B8131A.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> <7e764efe0903111352k1763c8c5w1267bb98cfd87e3c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:05:48 +0800 Message-ID: <7e764efe0903111405t3795cd3cw7dcf51a72f47379d@mail.gmail.com> From: khen lim To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 22:05:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b827b4240091529615919 No no no - - - - try lomography cameras...that should start a whole new civil war.... :) K. 2009/3/12 Ken Norton > > > > good luck. it's been nice knowing you. :) > > > > > Yup, I'm diving for cover. I supposed I would have been better off just > criticizing Olympus. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people=94 - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 22:15:29 2009 Received: (qmail 2703 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 21:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 21:15:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26444E18304 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A613E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142A4361000F for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:15:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841A23610010 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:15:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3622 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2009 21:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.131.217) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 21:15:14 -0000 In-Reply-To: <65CA3557881C49B2BE47C8C33128C0CD@SueHome> References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg><6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <65CA3557881C49B2BE47C8C33128C0CD@SueHome> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <581B8557-87C0-471A-A58E-3845B6BD334B@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:15:16 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 22:15:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b829f1261551823421471 Gawd - even the boy named Sue. Later this week, when i've had time! I'll post a link or two. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/03/2009, at 1:22 AM, Sue Pearce wrote: > Inquiring minds want to know! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 22:29:37 2009 Received: (qmail 7188 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 21:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 21:29:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA652E18309 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A2EE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50CD19EEBC for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:29:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAD519EEA5 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:29:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:29:30 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2BLTQbf020680 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:29:29 GMT Message-ID: <13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:29:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 22:29:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b82d4161091234514069 Some of us are, Chuck. We had a few B-36s stationed at Wright-Patterson AFB in the early 50s. They were involved in tests and modifications which were done at the Wright Field side of the base, with a shorter runway. When a B-36 was on final approach from the north, they passed right over the administrative buildings where my wife worked. The noise was enough to drive some newcomers under their desks. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > B36, eh? I guess I'm not old yet. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Paul Laughlin wrote: >> Oh Yeah!! I used to live under the landing pattern for Carswell AFB, and >> we >> not only got the occasional B-58, but B-36s. Used to say that the >> railroad >> runs through the middle of the house. Those six 4360s and four J57s >> could >> really shake things up. The reason for there only being an occasional >> B-58 >> was they were in the test program. That being said, when they flew there >> was also an F102 as a chase plane. >> Paul in Portland OR >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website >> >> >>> B-58s also make excellent alarm clocks if, as I did in the mid-60's, you >>> live under the flight path of Kelly AFB. :-) >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 22:40:11 2009 Received: (qmail 27701 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 21:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 21:40:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF2AE18304 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0382AE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AC619EFE6 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:40:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C9A19EFD9 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:40:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090311214002.BTYD28145.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:40:02 +0000 Message-Id: <7B391B93-5612-4727-8122-F5A11D119ECB@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:40:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 22:40:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b82fbb273031993019900 I have an electronic picture frame No. 1 son gave me a while back. Turns out it won't hook into a computer to download pictures, you have to feed it with a card. I have a 2 gig XD card that's just sitting around. So I dug out the old Camedia USB card reader, downloaded the appropriate software for the Mac, and plugged in the reader. Nothing. I was expecting it to show up as an external drive I could then load with pictures to put on the frame, but now I'm thinking it's a one way gizmo, and it has to have files on the XD card before the software kicks in. Anyone familiar with this? Thanx! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 22:56:45 2009 Received: (qmail 30757 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 21:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 21:56:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C30E18318 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F69E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D570D3610010 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:56:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1FE3610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:56:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip4.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.87]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090311215639.RHAF1809.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip4.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:56:39 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhMBAHPKt0lMRzJQ/2dsb2JhbAAI0mqCRYFIBg Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279734352.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.50.80]) by toip4.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 11 Mar 2009 18:07:23 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:56:38 -0500 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Camedia Card Reader Thread-Index: AcmilECifuzTvg6HEd6ICQAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <7B391B93-5612-4727-8122-F5A11D119ECB@roadrunner.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 22:56:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8339d263591946193717 The empty card reader itself wouldn't show up in the Finder, but any card in it (containing files or not) will show up as a volume. You can check if the reader is recognized on the USB bus: About This Mac More Info... Hardware/USB For my SanDisk USB reader, I see "ImageMate 14 in 1 Reader/Writer", in my case under "USB High-Speed Bus". Michael On 3/11/09 4:40 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > I have an electronic picture frame No. 1 son gave me a while back. > Turns out it won't hook into a computer to download pictures, you have > to feed it with a card. I have a 2 gig XD card that's just sitting > around. So I dug out the old Camedia USB card reader, downloaded the > appropriate software for the Mac, and plugged in the reader. > > Nothing. I was expecting it to show up as an external drive I could > then load with pictures to put on the frame, but now I'm thinking it's > a one way gizmo, and it has to have files on the XD card before the > software kicks in. > > Anyone familiar with this? > > Thanx! > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 23:02:13 2009 Received: (qmail 16936 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 22:02:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 22:02:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FF1E1830D for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37ADFE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204B119F24C for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:02:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBF319F248 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:02:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32298 invoked by uid 502); 11 Mar 2009 22:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.178.72) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Mar 2009 22:02:05 -0000 Message-ID: <49B834D6.1040403@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:01:58 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> <49B8131A.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 23:02:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b834e5298191073733319 Ken Norton wrote: > Dr Flash wrote: > > >> Never seen one of those... yet. (Err99) >> Nor have I. > > That seems to be one of those catchall error codes that's used for everything from lens-camera communications failure (dirty contacts) to battery on the fritz to all-out four legs pointing to the sky dead. > I wonder if it's a little different with the 5D? On a very few occasions, I've noticed the AF isn't working. A quick swipe of contacts on lens and body with something like a shirttail and all is well again. But no Err indication on the camera. Maybe 'cause it's Tamron lenses and they withhold information from the camera body. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 23:03:13 2009 Received: (qmail 13593 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 22:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 22:03:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE84E182F7 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EC7E24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8998819F259 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21DDC19F252 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rw5z1b0050b6N64A1y32tF; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:03:02 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ry381b00r2Axmu48Py39KK; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:03:09 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC><49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com> <13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:03:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 23:03:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b83521204211035110158 You think that's loud. You should have been on one when they pulled out on the end of the runway, locked the brakes and set power for takeoff. And then they kicked the brakes loose and it was 0 to 160 in something like 8 seconds. Could really get that monster moving in a hurry. A standard mission on that thing was 24 hours, and then the aircraft commander would decide that the copilot need a couple of hours of touch and go landings. I flew on them as an inflight bombing navigation system maintenance technician. Non crewmember status. My takeoff position was strapped into a bunk in the rear of the aircraft. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > Some of us are, Chuck. We had a few B-36s stationed at Wright-Patterson > AFB > in the early 50s. They were involved in tests and modifications which were > done at the Wright Field side of the base, with a shorter runway. When a > B-36 was on final approach from the north, they passed right over the > administrative buildings where my wife worked. The noise was enough to > drive some newcomers under their desks. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > > >> B36, eh? I guess I'm not old yet. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Paul Laughlin wrote: >>> Oh Yeah!! I used to live under the landing pattern for Carswell AFB, >>> and >>> we >>> not only got the occasional B-58, but B-36s. Used to say that the >>> railroad >>> runs through the middle of the house. Those six 4360s and four J57s >>> could >>> really shake things up. The reason for there only being an occasional >>> B-58 >>> was they were in the test program. That being said, when they flew >>> there >>> was also an F102 as a chase plane. >>> Paul in Portland OR >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:06 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website >>> >>> >>>> B-58s also make excellent alarm clocks if, as I did in the mid-60's, >>>> you >>>> live under the flight path of Kelly AFB. :-) >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Mar 11 23:31:43 2009 Received: (qmail 712 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 22:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 22:31:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DC8E182F3 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B166E24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEA319F2A1 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:31:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC52419F248 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:31:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so186373fxm.14 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:31:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.58.16 with SMTP id e16mr340494bkh.43.1236810694474; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:31:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B834D6.1040403@gmail.com> References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> <49B8131A.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> <49B834D6.1040403@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:31:34 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 85ebefd48122b522 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Mar 11 23:31:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b83bcf246521499373980 Moose de 5D wrote: > > >> Never seen one of those... yet. (Err99) > Nor have I. The 5D has ended up being one of the best cameras Canon has made. All of the handwringing about lack of seals, robustness, etc., haven't really come to anything. But then the cameras WITH seals, additional robustness, etc., have issues. One camera I would never buy used without a very specific knowledge of the history of it is the 20D. > Maybe 'cause it's Tamron lenses and they withhold information from the > camera body. :-) > Your intent might have been as a joke, but there could definitely be something to that. Maybe the way the contacts are made in the Tamron are different. I just know that the autofocus doesn't work with my older lenses. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 00:26:13 2009 Received: (qmail 22004 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 23:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 23:26:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA75E18317 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73517E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B36919F36B for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:26:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0964119F36A for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:26:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090311232605.DSOM5856.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:26:05 +0000 Message-Id: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:26:02 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 00:26:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b84894241201744846740 I see it following your directions. But I still can't figure how to dump images onto it. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Michael Collins wrote: > The empty card reader itself wouldn't show up in the Finder, but any > card in > it (containing files or not) will show up as a volume. > > You can check if the reader is recognized on the USB bus: > > About This Mac > More Info... > Hardware/USB > > On 3/11/09 4:40 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > >> I have an electronic picture frame No. 1 son gave me a while back. >> Turns out it won't hook into a computer to download pictures, you >> have >> to feed it with a card. I have a 2 gig XD card that's just sitting >> around. So I dug out the old Camedia USB card reader, downloaded the >> appropriate software for the Mac, and plugged in the reader. >> >> Nothing. I was expecting it to show up as an external drive I could >> then load with pictures to put on the frame, but now I'm thinking >> it's >> a one way gizmo, and it has to have files on the XD card before the >> software kicks in. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 00:31:45 2009 Received: (qmail 31723 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2009 23:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 23:31:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFDDE182E9 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647A1E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5860F3610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:31:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7FD3610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2BNVZ8Q011262 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:31:37 GMT Message-ID: <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:32:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 00:31:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b849e125311869477228 Bob, I'm a Windows XP user, and know nothing of the Mac. I use Copy/Paste to duplicate photo files on another external drive. Does the picture frame require an image to be in a particular format or size? Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Whitmire" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader >I see it following your directions. But I still can't figure how to > dump images onto it. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Michael Collins wrote: > >> The empty card reader itself wouldn't show up in the Finder, but any >> card in >> it (containing files or not) will show up as a volume. >> >> You can check if the reader is recognized on the USB bus: >> >> About This Mac >> More Info... >> Hardware/USB > >> >> On 3/11/09 4:40 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: >> >>> I have an electronic picture frame No. 1 son gave me a while back. >>> Turns out it won't hook into a computer to download pictures, you >>> have >>> to feed it with a card. I have a 2 gig XD card that's just sitting >>> around. So I dug out the old Camedia USB card reader, downloaded the >>> appropriate software for the Mac, and plugged in the reader. >>> >>> Nothing. I was expecting it to show up as an external drive I could >>> then load with pictures to put on the frame, but now I'm thinking >>> it's >>> a one way gizmo, and it has to have files on the XD card before the >>> software kicks in. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 02:07:11 2009 Received: (qmail 4397 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 01:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 01:07:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4406EE18317 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB9DE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4B919F433 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:07:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD5119F430 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:07:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23506 invoked by uid 504); 12 Mar 2009 01:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 Mar 2009 01:07:01 -0000 Message-ID: <49B86034.60307@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:07:00 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> <49B8131A.8030009@chucknorcutt.com> <49B834D6.1040403@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49B834D6.1040403@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 02:07:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8603f48281234514069 I think the official definition of Err99 is something like "unknown electrical problem". Of the reports I know of I'd say lens communication problems are the most common cause. But BSOD it's not since the camera is still alive to report a problem. With BSOD the D stands for death and means it. I also experience occasional failure of the autofocus button to work but it's a momentary thing. I have the autofocus relocated from the shutter button to the back of the camera. When the focus seems not to want to work I just press the shutter button half way and autofocus comes alive again. I haven't tried to diagnose it but I suspect it's just that the camera has gone to sleep in power saving mode and it's awakened by the half press of the shutter. If I didn't have focus moved off the shutter button I'd never have noticed it. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Ken Norton wrote: >> Dr Flash wrote: >> >> >>> Never seen one of those... yet. (Err99) >>> > > Nor have I. >> That seems to be one of those catchall error codes that's used for >> everything from lens-camera communications failure (dirty contacts) >> to battery on the fritz to all-out four legs pointing to the sky >> dead. >> > > I wonder if it's a little different with the 5D? On a very few > occasions, I've noticed the AF isn't working. A quick swipe of > contacts on lens and body with something like a shirttail and all is > well again. But no Err indication on the camera. > > Maybe 'cause it's Tamron lenses and they withhold information from > the camera body. :-) > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 02:13:26 2009 Received: (qmail 13030 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 01:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 01:13:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A88E18300 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50B7E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD313610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:13:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDF93610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:13:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26075 invoked by uid 504); 12 Mar 2009 01:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 Mar 2009 01:13:20 -0000 Message-ID: <49B861AF.1070807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:13:19 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com> <13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 02:13:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b861b6272631234514069 Well, I'm envious. I've seen perhaps three B-36s in outdoor museum settings and have often wondered what one would sound like. Hey, it just occurred to me that maybe there's a recording available somewhere. When I was a kid of 8 or 10 I lived along side an Air National Guard base that flew P-51s. The sound is embedded in my brain and causes my heart to race. My dad also maintained P-51s and P-38s during the war. So I have recordings of both aircraft on the ground and in the air. Maybe such exists for B36s too. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Some of us are, Chuck. We had a few B-36s stationed at Wright-Patterson AFB > in the early 50s. They were involved in tests and modifications which were > done at the Wright Field side of the base, with a shorter runway. When a > B-36 was on final approach from the north, they passed right over the > administrative buildings where my wife worked. The noise was enough to > drive some newcomers under their desks. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > > >> B36, eh? I guess I'm not old yet. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Paul Laughlin wrote: >>> Oh Yeah!! I used to live under the landing pattern for Carswell AFB, and >>> we >>> not only got the occasional B-58, but B-36s. Used to say that the >>> railroad >>> runs through the middle of the house. Those six 4360s and four J57s >>> could >>> really shake things up. The reason for there only being an occasional >>> B-58 >>> was they were in the test program. That being said, when they flew there >>> was also an F102 as a chase plane. >>> Paul in Portland OR >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:06 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website >>> >>> >>>> B-58s also make excellent alarm clocks if, as I did in the mid-60's, you >>>> live under the flight path of Kelly AFB. :-) >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 02:19:14 2009 Received: (qmail 2933 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 01:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 01:19:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80747E1830D for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CCBE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1ADF19F457 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:19:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F2F19F455 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:19:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28574 invoked by uid 504); 12 Mar 2009 01:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 Mar 2009 01:19:07 -0000 Message-ID: <49B8630A.70208@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:19:06 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 02:19:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b86312230841499373980 I dunno anything about Macs but you should be able to copy images to it in the same way you'd do any drive to drive copying. xD and SD cards do not have a built-in drive controller as do CF cards so are not true hard drives to the system. Perhaps a driver needs to be installed first. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Bob, > > I'm a Windows XP user, and know nothing of the Mac. I use Copy/Paste to > duplicate photo files on another external drive. Does the picture frame > require an image to be in a particular format or size? > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Whitmire" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader > > >> I see it following your directions. But I still can't figure how to >> dump images onto it. >> >> --Bob Whitmire >> www.bwp33.com >> >> >> On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Michael Collins wrote: >> >>> The empty card reader itself wouldn't show up in the Finder, but any >>> card in >>> it (containing files or not) will show up as a volume. >>> >>> You can check if the reader is recognized on the USB bus: >>> >>> About This Mac >>> More Info... >>> Hardware/USB >>> On 3/11/09 4:40 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: >>> >>>> I have an electronic picture frame No. 1 son gave me a while back. >>>> Turns out it won't hook into a computer to download pictures, you >>>> have >>>> to feed it with a card. I have a 2 gig XD card that's just sitting >>>> around. So I dug out the old Camedia USB card reader, downloaded the >>>> appropriate software for the Mac, and plugged in the reader. >>>> >>>> Nothing. I was expecting it to show up as an external drive I could >>>> then load with pictures to put on the frame, but now I'm thinking >>>> it's >>>> a one way gizmo, and it has to have files on the XD card before the >>>> software kicks in. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 03:22:39 2009 Received: (qmail 23035 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 02:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 02:22:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CE2E1830C for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6949E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7EE361000F for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:22:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8D43610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:22:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090312022232.IOFS21373.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:22:32 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id S2NY1b0084Z9Gks022NYuj; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:22:32 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7xN3sb-CezYA:10 a=RKznaCIHA_4A:10 a=Y-otwUEUQJpC5ml8HnAA:9 a=xUxCBb8mamC8u8z1lKWG4zYzLbsA:4 a=y4M8Ahb7xz0A:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <36365DEC191D40CAB3CB13498ED53932@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com><13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols> <49B861AF.1070807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:22:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 03:22:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b871ef37134673671140 .. > Maybe such exists for B36s too. > > Chuck Norcutt Chuck, There was someone that made LP's of every possible sound, airplanes, cars, trains, you name it. Can anyone remember who? A lot of strange stuff has made it to CD'S Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 03:25:45 2009 Received: (qmail 28074 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 02:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 02:25:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AB8E182F1 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF969E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAB13610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:25:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE253610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:25:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:25:39 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2C2Pada031317 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:25:38 GMT Message-ID: <78CA787668B84C71A20E6973A0B9B2CC@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com><13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols> <49B861AF.1070807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:25:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 03:25:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b872a978641744846740 Chuck, I don't have any recording, but have fond memories of it. We saw them occasionally over Dayton, where we lived. The only aircraft that made a similar sound, at least to me, was the C-124 double-decker troop transport, which had four of those huge engines, rather than six. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > Well, I'm envious. I've seen perhaps three B-36s in outdoor museum > settings and have often wondered what one would sound like. Hey, it > just occurred to me that maybe there's a recording available somewhere. > When I was a kid of 8 or 10 I lived along side an Air National Guard > base that flew P-51s. The sound is embedded in my brain and causes my > heart to race. My dad also maintained P-51s and P-38s during the war. > So I have recordings of both aircraft on the ground and in the air. > Maybe such exists for B36s too. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Some of us are, Chuck. We had a few B-36s stationed at Wright-Patterson >> AFB >> in the early 50s. They were involved in tests and modifications which >> were >> done at the Wright Field side of the base, with a shorter runway. When a >> B-36 was on final approach from the north, they passed right over the >> administrative buildings where my wife worked. The noise was enough to >> drive some newcomers under their desks. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website >> >> >>> B36, eh? I guess I'm not old yet. :-) >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> Paul Laughlin wrote: >>>> Oh Yeah!! I used to live under the landing pattern for Carswell AFB, >>>> and >>>> we >>>> not only got the occasional B-58, but B-36s. Used to say that the >>>> railroad >>>> runs through the middle of the house. Those six 4360s and four J57s >>>> could >>>> really shake things up. The reason for there only being an occasional >>>> B-58 >>>> was they were in the test program. That being said, when they flew >>>> there >>>> was also an F102 as a chase plane. >>>> Paul in Portland OR >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:06 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website >>>> >>>> >>>>> B-58s also make excellent alarm clocks if, as I did in the mid-60's, >>>>> you >>>>> live under the flight path of Kelly AFB. :-) >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 03:51:54 2009 Received: (qmail 16121 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 02:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 02:51:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72781E1830B for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72397E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6214D19F50D for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:51:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0737619EFD9 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:51:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rq7V1b00B0x6nqcA22rpye; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:51:49 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id S2ro1b00c2Axmu48Y2rpHW; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:51:49 +0000 Message-ID: <235DE496F4E747AB8BE28BD15D36736E@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com><13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols> <49B861AF.1070807@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49B861AF.1070807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:51:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 03:51:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b878ca321418512572685 There is one file at this URL: http://avanimation.avsupport.com/Sound.htm Just scroll down to #52 I also have a copy of the movie "Strategic Air Command" with Jimmy Stewart and June Allyson. I purchased it on E-bay and when it arrived, determined it to be bootleg. Not available otherwise. So, just kept it. The aircraft featured in the movie is the B-36. That movie came out while I was working on the B-36. I also have a copy of the movie, "Fail-Safe". Ridiculous movie, but for the sounds and the night time take off, the B-58 was used. The cockpit scenes were a movie set. Nothing like the interior of the aircraft. Damned Vista makes it difficult to record just any sound from the sound card. Guess I will have to dig out the notebook, run the movie and record the sounds. Actually, I think they are on one of these hard drives laying around here somewhere. LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > Well, I'm envious. I've seen perhaps three B-36s in outdoor museum > settings and have often wondered what one would sound like. Hey, it > just occurred to me that maybe there's a recording available somewhere. > When I was a kid of 8 or 10 I lived along side an Air National Guard > base that flew P-51s. The sound is embedded in my brain and causes my > heart to race. My dad also maintained P-51s and P-38s during the war. > So I have recordings of both aircraft on the ground and in the air. > Maybe such exists for B36s too. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 04:00:35 2009 Received: (qmail 7481 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 03:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 03:00:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D58E182FE for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD72E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D7F19F529 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:00:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B0A19F526 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:00:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8848 invoked by uid 504); 12 Mar 2009 03:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 04:00:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b87ad3219363675314703 appears to cause the just loaded new version of Firefox to crash. But at least it doesn't crash until after the sound is played. :-) Chuck Norcutt Paul Laughlin wrote: > There is one file at this URL: > http://avanimation.avsupport.com/Sound.htm > > Just scroll down to #52 > > I also have a copy of the movie "Strategic Air Command" with Jimmy Stewart > and June Allyson. I purchased it on E-bay and when it arrived, determined > it to be bootleg. Not available otherwise. So, just kept it. The aircraft > featured in the movie is the B-36. That movie came out while I was working > on the B-36. > I also have a copy of the movie, "Fail-Safe". Ridiculous movie, but for the > sounds and the night time take off, the B-58 was used. The cockpit scenes > were a movie set. Nothing like the interior of the aircraft. Damned Vista > makes it difficult to record just any sound from the sound card. Guess I > will have to dig out the notebook, run the movie and record the sounds. > Actually, I think they are on one of these hard drives laying around here > somewhere. LOL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > > >> Well, I'm envious. I've seen perhaps three B-36s in outdoor museum >> settings and have often wondered what one would sound like. Hey, it >> just occurred to me that maybe there's a recording available somewhere. >> When I was a kid of 8 or 10 I lived along side an Air National Guard >> base that flew P-51s. The sound is embedded in my brain and causes my >> heart to race. My dad also maintained P-51s and P-38s during the war. >> So I have recordings of both aircraft on the ground and in the air. >> Maybe such exists for B36s too. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 04:03:14 2009 Received: (qmail 9972 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 03:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 03:03:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D2BE18307 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43579E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370C63610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C223610010 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:03:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:03:08 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2C3350A009937 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:03:07 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com><13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols> <49B861AF.1070807@chucknorcutt.com><235DE496F4E747AB8BE28BD15D36736E@PaulPC> <49B87AC9.6020305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:03:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 04:03:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b87b72117705368819438 Chuck, I'm running 3.0.7 and it worked ok for me. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > appears to cause the just > loaded new version of Firefox to crash. But at least it doesn't crash > until after the sound is played. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Paul Laughlin wrote: >> There is one file at this URL: >> http://avanimation.avsupport.com/Sound.htm >> >> Just scroll down to #52 >> >> I also have a copy of the movie "Strategic Air Command" with Jimmy >> Stewart >> and June Allyson. I purchased it on E-bay and when it arrived, >> determined >> it to be bootleg. Not available otherwise. So, just kept it. The >> aircraft >> featured in the movie is the B-36. That movie came out while I was >> working >> on the B-36. >> I also have a copy of the movie, "Fail-Safe". Ridiculous movie, but for >> the >> sounds and the night time take off, the B-58 was used. The cockpit >> scenes >> were a movie set. Nothing like the interior of the aircraft. Damned >> Vista >> makes it difficult to record just any sound from the sound card. Guess I >> will have to dig out the notebook, run the movie and record the sounds. >> Actually, I think they are on one of these hard drives laying around here >> somewhere. LOL >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website >> >> >>> Well, I'm envious. I've seen perhaps three B-36s in outdoor museum >>> settings and have often wondered what one would sound like. Hey, it >>> just occurred to me that maybe there's a recording available somewhere. >>> When I was a kid of 8 or 10 I lived along side an Air National Guard >>> base that flew P-51s. The sound is embedded in my brain and causes my >>> heart to race. My dad also maintained P-51s and P-38s during the war. >>> So I have recordings of both aircraft on the ground and in the air. >>> Maybe such exists for B36s too. >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 04:31:22 2009 Received: (qmail 31025 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 03:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 03:31:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BC8E182D1 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCE8E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4236A361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:31:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FFF3610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:31:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id S1JS1b01n1GXsucA83XJyQ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:31:18 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id S3XH1b0042Axmu48T3XHhs; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:31:17 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com><13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols><49B861AF.1070807@chucknorcutt.com> <78CA787668B84C71A20E6973A0B9B2CC@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <78CA787668B84C71A20E6973A0B9B2CC@jimnichols> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:31:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 04:31:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8820a314825368819438 They actually built a transport version of the B-36. Called the C-99. As I remember, there was only three of them built. One used to come into Loring AFB in Maine hauling parts from Kelly AFB. I believe it was the only one still flying at that time. Mid '50s. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > Chuck, > > I don't have any recording, but have fond memories of it. We saw them > occasionally over Dayton, where we lived. The only aircraft that made a > similar sound, at least to me, was the C-124 double-decker troop > transport, > which had four of those huge engines, rather than six. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 05:19:18 2009 Received: (qmail 23809 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 04:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 04:19:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43328E1830C for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDD2E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3253610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:19:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D243610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:19:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27308 invoked by uid 502); 12 Mar 2009 04:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.190.223) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Mar 2009 04:19:10 -0000 Message-ID: <49B88D39.8020206@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:19:05 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols> <49B8630A.70208@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49B8630A.70208@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 05:19:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b88d46307145368819438 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I dunno anything about Macs but you should be able to copy images to it in the same way you'd do any drive to drive copying. xD and SD cards do not have a built-in drive controller as do CF cards so are not true hard > drives to the system. Perhaps a driver needs to be installed first. > That's the card reader's job, to act as controller for the card and as a standard USB Mass Storage Device for the OS. I've copied lots of stuff to and from CF, xD, SD and SDHC cards simply by drag and drop, as well as Copy and Paste. It's all exactly like working with HDDs in all versions of Windoze from at least 98SE on. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 05:35:29 2009 Received: (qmail 6313 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 04:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 04:35:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC096E18310 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC24E24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A28361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:35:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F533610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:35:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rq7v1b0030cQ2SLAA4bRdu; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:35:25 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id S4bQ1b00Z2Axmu48W4bQK6; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:35:24 +0000 Message-ID: <7BAED8791EAE499195F3C243CF0017C4@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols><49B8630A.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <49B88D39.8020206@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49B88D39.8020206@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:35:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 05:35:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b89111135131529615919 Several months ago, on one of several mail lists I am on, someone posted a link to buy.com for a special on Sandisk 4GB SD cards and they came with a USB reader. I purchased three of them. Once in a while the readers in both my desktop and notebook will refuse to read these cards from my A650. That little USB reader never seems to fail, tho. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I dunno anything about Macs but you should be able to copy images to it >> in the same way you'd do any drive to drive copying. xD and SD cards do >> not have a built-in drive controller as do CF cards so are not true hard >> drives to the system. Perhaps a driver needs to be installed first. >> > > That's the card reader's job, to act as controller for the card and as a > standard USB Mass Storage Device for the OS. I've copied lots of stuff > to and from CF, xD, SD and SDHC cards simply by drag and drop, as well > as Copy and Paste. It's all exactly like working with HDDs in all > versions of Windoze from at least 98SE on. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 05:48:11 2009 Received: (qmail 18097 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 04:48:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 04:48:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BC4E182EA for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5DBE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248AC3610008 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:48:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88A93610006 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:48:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9778 invoked by uid 502); 12 Mar 2009 04:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.190.223) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Mar 2009 04:48:05 -0000 Message-ID: <49B89400.3060205@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:48:00 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols><49B8630A.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <49B88D39.8020206@gmail.com> <7BAED8791EAE499195F3C243CF0017C4@PaulPC> In-Reply-To: <7BAED8791EAE499195F3C243CF0017C4@PaulPC> Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 05:48:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8940b94111869477228 Paul Laughlin wrote: > Several months ago, on one of several mail lists I am on, someone posted a link to buy.com for a special on Sandisk 4GB SD cards and they came with a USB reader. I purchased three of them. Once in a while the readers in both my desktop and notebook will refuse to read these cards from my A650. That little USB reader never seems to fail, tho. > I bought into that deal, too. I'm also using them in an A650. The SDHC standard is different than SD. The built-in reader in my desktop doesn't even recognize a card has been inserted with an SDHC card, so those little readers were really needed. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 06:02:39 2009 Received: (qmail 11072 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 05:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 05:02:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6589E18312 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C5FE24122 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B76361000F for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:02:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93676361000E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27727 invoked by uid 502); 12 Mar 2009 05:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.189.3) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Mar 2009 05:02:29 -0000 Message-ID: <49B89760.4080104@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:02:24 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols><49B8630A.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <49B88D39.8020206@gmail.com> <7BAED8791EAE499195F3C243CF0017C4@PaulPC> In-Reply-To: <7BAED8791EAE499195F3C243CF0017C4@PaulPC> Subject: [OM] Latest flash card rebates [was Camedia Card Reader] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 06:02:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8976f151131529615919 Paul Laughlin wrote: > Several months ago, on one of several mail lists I am on, someone posted a link to buy.com for a special on Sandisk 4GB SD cards and they came with a USB reader. I purchased three of them. Right! I almost forgot to mention on the list the latest Sandisk rebates for purchases from "Pro Photo dealers", such as B&H and Adorama. Buy three and get the real deal. 3x Extreme III 4GB - rebate = $12.95 @ There are other decent rebates, but that's the winner for me this round. It gets into UDMA performance territory for $3.24/GB. Mine are due tomorrow. I've got a little project where I'm hoping UDMA will contribute. And then, I'll eventually have a DSLR that can take advantage of it. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 07:47:52 2009 Received: (qmail 25462 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 06:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 06:47:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C101E18315 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E44AE24127 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC5319F74C for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:47:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D009B19F74B for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:47:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C198461708 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:07:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <8BCB392E-4DAB-46D5-A430-230CD54B18F5@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:47:41 +0000 References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC><49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com> <13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 07:47:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8b018256163675314703 I've just had a look at the images available: that's a huge aircraft! Chris On 11 Mar 2009, at 22:03, Paul Laughlin wrote: > You think that's loud. You should have been on one when they pulled > out on > the end of the runway, locked the brakes and set power for takeoff. > And > then they kicked the brakes loose and it was 0 to 160 in something > like 8 > seconds. Could really get that monster moving in a hurry. A standard > mission on that thing was 24 hours, and then the aircraft commander > would > decide that the copilot need a couple of hours of touch and go > landings. I > flew on them as an inflight bombing navigation system maintenance > technician. Non crewmember status. My takeoff position was > strapped into a > bunk in the rear of the aircraft. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 08:22:13 2009 Received: (qmail 30949 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 07:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 07:22:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20095E182ED for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A881E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15817361000E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:22:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A9A3610006 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:22:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090312072206.LOUM28145.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:22:06 +0000 Message-Id: <2FF99D3E-DAFC-400B-B0AB-4192A159418A@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:22:06 -0400 References: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 08:22:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8b82517709117217770 Not that I know of. I was going to use the .jpg files I created for my web site. But not until I can get the Mac to recognize the reader and let me dump files to it. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 11, 2009, at 7:32 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > I'm a Windows XP user, and know nothing of the Mac. I use Copy/Paste > to > duplicate photo files on another external drive. Does the picture > frame > require an image to be in a particular format or size? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 08:25:12 2009 Received: (qmail 30681 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 07:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 07:25:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C183E182FE for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF26E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FAA19D91A for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:25:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D39119D915 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:25:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090312072506.LOZA28145.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:25:06 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49B88D39.8020206@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:25:06 -0400 References: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols> <49B8630A.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <49B88D39.8020206@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 08:25:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8b8d8285641585427447 On Mar 12, 2009, at 12:19 AM, Moose wrote: > That's the card reader's job, to act as controller for the card and > as a > standard USB Mass Storage Device for the OS. I've copied lots of stuff > to and from CF, xD, SD and SDHC cards simply by drag and drop, as > well > as Copy and Paste. It's all exactly like working with HDDs in all > versions of Windoze from at least 98SE on. I can't get my Windoze machine to recognize the reader, either, and that's with a fresh driver installed. Same on the Mac. Maybe it's a MAUSB-10 problem. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 09:28:48 2009 Received: (qmail 21479 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 08:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 08:28:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DF1E18304 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B290E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD9F19DC45 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:28:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50CC19DC28 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:28:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.184]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so97728mue.0 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:28:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.172.9 with SMTP id z9mr4173782muo.109.1236846518596; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:28:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:28:38 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d77f4fcf9d00ffdf Message-ID: <9f07ac840903120128qfcb7760ud7fff7d210d56b58@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 09:28:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8c7c0262883675314703 On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > The test is not whether it turned on the last time, Khen, but whether it > will turn on the next time! > It's a bit like testing a fuse! When I was an EE back in the '70's (guess I'm still one technically) we had a box in the lab for testing fuses. On top of the box was almost every known size and shape of fuseholder. And a press button and a red and green lamp. You put in the suspect fuse, pressed the button, and one or the other lamps lit. Red was labeled 'Fuse was dead'. Green was labeled 'Fuse was ok' :-) Yes, inside was a power supply, a huge electrolytic capacitor, and a latching relay. (showing my age) br jez -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 09:48:44 2009 Received: (qmail 14280 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 08:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 08:48:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B03E18316 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB60E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C6419DC45 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4058A19DB2B for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21050 invoked by uid 502); 12 Mar 2009 08:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.169.31) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Mar 2009 08:48:36 -0000 Message-ID: <49B8CC5E.8000202@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:48:30 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols> <49B8630A.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <49B88D39.8020206@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 09:48:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8cc6c251202336821329 Bob Whitmire wrote: > I can't get my Windoze machine to recognize the reader, either, and that's with a fresh driver installed. Same on the Mac. Maybe it's a MAUSB-10 problem. > I'm using an MAUSB-300. Doesn't require installing a driver for Win 2000, XP or Vista, only for 98. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 10:14:22 2009 Received: (qmail 11196 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 09:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 09:14:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7501DE18300 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B595BE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACEC19DD88 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:14:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E2319DD4D for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:14:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7453 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 09:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.131.217) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 09:14:08 -0000 In-Reply-To: <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:14:07 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 10:14:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8d26d55641234514069 In response to overwhelming demand - some D3x shots from a couple of nights ago. Haven't been Photoshopped yet though. :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/03/2009, at 10:42 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > So, is it not in the best interests of this list to post some of the > better bikini samples from the D3x, so that we can see for ourselves > this wonder Nykon has created? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 10:17:31 2009 Received: (qmail 14746 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 09:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 09:17:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9D7E182F3 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625AAE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5553610008 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:17:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBEB3610006 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:17:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7709 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 09:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.131.217) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 09:17:19 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:17:18 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 10:17:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8d32b198451035110158 Damn - link. http://www.pbase.com/afildes/sammy_unmod Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/03/2009, at 8:14 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > In response to overwhelming demand - some D3x shots from a couple of > nights ago. > Haven't been Photoshopped yet though. :-) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 11/03/2009, at 10:42 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > >> So, is it not in the best interests of this list to post some of the >> better bikini samples from the D3x, so that we can see for ourselves >> this wonder Nykon has created? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 10:28:45 2009 Received: (qmail 24736 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 09:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 09:28:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961F3E182E1 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C47E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04DA19DDDF for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:28:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D2219D904 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:28:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so305422fxm.14 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:28:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr4218734muo.31.1236850117734; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:28:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:28:37 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 39dbd4a225cbb666 Message-ID: <9f07ac840903120228s7cc72720ma86f7ccba971c343@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 10:28:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8d5cd77741234514069 Aaaah... thanksjez On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Damn - link. > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/sammy_unmod > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 12/03/2009, at 8:14 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > > In response to overwhelming demand - some D3x shots from a couple of > > nights ago. > > Haven't been Photoshopped yet though. :-) > > Andrew Fildes > > afildes@people.net.au > > > > > > > > On 11/03/2009, at 10:42 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > > > >> So, is it not in the best interests of this list to post some of the > >> better bikini samples from the D3x, so that we can see for ourselves > >> this wonder Nykon has created? > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 10:50:48 2009 Received: (qmail 31557 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 09:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 09:50:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8422E18314 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458F3E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFEA361000F for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:50:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BACA3610008 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:50:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.193]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n2C9oX1H008516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:50:34 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:50:26 +1100 Message-ID: <000001c9a2f7$f95bbad0$ec133070$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acmi817raasefGhPR1Wc5qFtzul6rwABF8tQ Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 10:50:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8daf813711073733319 Very nice - I like 6 & 7 the best. Have you been back to Werribee Gorge yet ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -----Original Message----- Damn - link. http://www.pbase.com/afildes/sammy_unmod Andrew Fildes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 11:26:56 2009 Received: (qmail 6056 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 10:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 10:26:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B662E182FC for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C779BE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EB63610008 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:26:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3320F3610006 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:26:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jmalmstrom@mac.com whitelisted) Received: from asmtpout024.mac.com (asmtpout024.mac.com [17.148.16.99]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:26:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [172.28.2.12] (c-83-233-110-14.cust.bredband2.com [83.233.110.14]) by asmtp024.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KGE008Q02CO9710@asmtp024.mac.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <786AD99A-E4FD-4A77-AF5C-2193AACFA8CC@mac.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-reply-to: <000001c9a2f7$f95bbad0$ec133070$@com.au> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:26:49 +0100 References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <000001c9a2f7$f95bbad0$ec133070$@com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 11:26:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8e370288441499373980 6 is my fav too, and then 8. I like pink. / Johan 12 mar 2009 kl. 10.50 skrev Wayne Harridge: > Very nice - I like 6 & 7 the best. > > Have you been back to Werribee Gorge yet ? > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > > Damn - link. > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/sammy_unmod > Andrew Fildes > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 12:40:48 2009 Received: (qmail 14247 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 11:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 11:40:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0464AE18315 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495E4E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1774D361000E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:40:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C1C3610008 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:40:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29223 invoked by uid 504); 12 Mar 2009 11:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 12:40:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8f4c0165071073733319 It appears to be the Yahoo media player add-on that's at fault. Not Firefox itself. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Chuck, > > I'm running 3.0.7 and it worked ok for me. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:00 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > > >> appears to cause the just >> loaded new version of Firefox to crash. But at least it doesn't crash >> until after the sound is played. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Paul Laughlin wrote: >>> There is one file at this URL: >>> http://avanimation.avsupport.com/Sound.htm >>> >>> Just scroll down to #52 >>> >>> I also have a copy of the movie "Strategic Air Command" with Jimmy >>> Stewart >>> and June Allyson. I purchased it on E-bay and when it arrived, >>> determined >>> it to be bootleg. Not available otherwise. So, just kept it. The >>> aircraft >>> featured in the movie is the B-36. That movie came out while I was >>> working >>> on the B-36. >>> I also have a copy of the movie, "Fail-Safe". Ridiculous movie, but for >>> the >>> sounds and the night time take off, the B-58 was used. The cockpit >>> scenes >>> were a movie set. Nothing like the interior of the aircraft. Damned >>> Vista >>> makes it difficult to record just any sound from the sound card. Guess I >>> will have to dig out the notebook, run the movie and record the sounds. >>> Actually, I think they are on one of these hard drives laying around here >>> somewhere. LOL >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website >>> >>> >>>> Well, I'm envious. I've seen perhaps three B-36s in outdoor museum >>>> settings and have often wondered what one would sound like. Hey, it >>>> just occurred to me that maybe there's a recording available somewhere. >>>> When I was a kid of 8 or 10 I lived along side an Air National Guard >>>> base that flew P-51s. The sound is embedded in my brain and causes my >>>> heart to race. My dad also maintained P-51s and P-38s during the war. >>>> So I have recordings of both aircraft on the ground and in the air. >>>> Maybe such exists for B36s too. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 12:42:30 2009 Received: (qmail 25316 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 11:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 11:42:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C8AE182E6 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C7BE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F8E34AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:42:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0180B34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:42:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so262558anc.35 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:42:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.137.12 with SMTP id k12mr6209640and.55.1236858145468; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:42:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:42:25 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903120442v7193db93ic8ae115bc2376880@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 12:42:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8f526216803675314703 On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:17 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Damn - link. > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/sammy_unmod > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au No wonder you've been feeling a bit winsome lately (work work work). No 7 is a fave. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 12:43:46 2009 Received: (qmail 2260 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 11:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 11:43:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8045E182D1 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4015E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9420719E0B7 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:43:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2090019E0A5 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:43:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30300 invoked by uid 504); 12 Mar 2009 11:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 12:43:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8f57261101234514069 But CF cards don't need no steenkin' external controller in the reader. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I dunno anything about Macs but you should be able to copy images to it in the same way you'd do any drive to drive copying. xD and SD cards do not have a built-in drive controller as do CF cards so are not true hard >> drives to the system. Perhaps a driver needs to be installed first. >> > > That's the card reader's job, to act as controller for the card and as a > standard USB Mass Storage Device for the OS. I've copied lots of stuff > to and from CF, xD, SD and SDHC cards simply by drag and drop, as well > as Copy and Paste. It's all exactly like working with HDDs in all > versions of Windoze from at least 98SE on. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 12:48:18 2009 Received: (qmail 273 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 11:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 11:48:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B276EE18315 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB32AE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADEF34AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:48:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F042F34AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:48:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (bc.sympatico.ca [209.226.175.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip5.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.88]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090312114811.GPIK1553.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip5.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:48:11 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkUBAOuNuElMRzJQ/2dsb2JhbAAI0mCCRYFIBmGGQw Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279734352.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.50.80]) by toip5.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2009 07:56:30 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:48:09 -0500 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Camedia Card Reader Thread-Index: AcmjCGn8qHyRyA77Ed6ICQAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 12:48:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8f682245831993019900 You've determined that the system seems the reader, anyway. While still in System Profiler and without a card inserted you'd see something like this: ImageMate 14 in 1 Reader/Writer: Product ID: 0xb4b5 Vendor ID: 0x0781 (SanDisk Corporation) Version: 93.39 Serial Number: 0303986814 Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec Manufacturer: SanDisk Location ID: 0x40200000 Current Available (mA): 500 Current Required (mA): 500 Insert the card and use Cmd-R to refresh the display. If the card is being recognised by the OS as a volume, you'll see it's changed to something like: ImageMate 14 in 1 Reader/Writer: Capacity: 983.9 MB Removable Media: Yes Detachable Drive: Yes BSD Name: disk4 Product ID: 0xb4b5 Vendor ID: 0x0781 (SanDisk Corporation) Version: 93.39 Serial Number: 0303986814 Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec Manufacturer: SanDisk Location ID: 0x40200000 Current Available (mA): 500 Current Required (mA): 500 Mac OS 9 Drivers: No Partition Map Type: MBR (Master Boot Record) S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported Volumes: NO NAME: Capacity: 983.9 MB Available: 982.7 MB Writable: Yes File System: MS-DOS FAT16 BSD Name: disk4s1 Mount Point: /Volumes/NO NAME If instead there has been no change, I can only conclude that either the reader or the card is misbehaving in some way. If you do see the volume there, then you should also see it in the sidebar of any Finder window, under the DEVICES list (as "NO NAME" in my example). You then treat it like any other removable disk, using drag-and-drop to load it with files. Sorry I can't be of any more help than this. Michael On 3/11/09 6:26 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > I see it following your directions. But I still can't figure how to > dump images onto it. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 13:17:26 2009 Received: (qmail 30298 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 12:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 12:17:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8759CE182E1 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A4DE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD6234AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:17:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7DA34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:17:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7342 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 12:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.131.217) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 12:17:13 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <786AD99A-E4FD-4A77-AF5C-2193AACFA8CC@mac.com> References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <000001c9a2f7$f95bbad0$ec133070$@com.au> <786AD99A-E4FD-4A77-AF5C-2193AACFA8CC@mac.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:17:12 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 13:17:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8fd56156938512572685 8 is the Buffy look. 10 years younger than 7 - that was the idea anyway. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/03/2009, at 9:26 PM, Johan Malmstr=F6m wrote: > 6 is my fav too, and then 8. I like pink. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 13:22:51 2009 Received: (qmail 29464 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 12:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 12:22:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D619E182E0 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068F8E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE36434AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:22:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B581A34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:22:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jmalmstrom@mac.com whitelisted) Received: from asmtpout029.mac.com (asmtpout029.mac.com [17.148.16.104]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:22:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [172.28.2.12] (c-83-233-110-14.cust.bredband2.com [83.233.110.14]) by asmtp029.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KGE00F3D7PU3K30@asmtp029.mac.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <986C8B8A-985A-40E3-8B19-972A2E0447D2@mac.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:22:42 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [OM] T Power Control 1 needs epoxy. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 13:22:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8fe9b88749117217770 Hi there, my T Power Control 1 took a hit and lost its grip. The foot is almost loose, I guess that the fitting for the screws, coming from inside the unit, was destroyed. Would you glue it together? My T10 took a hit too and has now a dented view of how to enlighten the world. Well it seems to be working. They where sitting mounted on my 4Ti, when someone ran into the tripod and it fell on the front. :( Thanks, Johan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 13:24:17 2009 Received: (qmail 30610 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 12:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 12:24:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272CCE182E6 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8450E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC84634AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:24:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F10C34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:24:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.210.129]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KGE009GV7S7U933@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:24:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49B8FEF0.1090201@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:24:16 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> In-reply-to: <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 13:24:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8fef1291202336821329 And "weather" it will turn on in a month. ;-) ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Piers Hemy wrote: > The test is not whether it turned on the last time, Khen, but whether it > will turn on the next time! > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: khen lim [mailto:castanet.xiosnetworks@gmail.com] > Sent: 11 March 2009 14:29 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not > > --snip > > at least it still turns on the last time I looked at the E-30. :) > > So there. > > > K. > > --snip > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 13:26:27 2009 Received: (qmail 29614 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 12:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 12:26:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3F1E182FD for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF73E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7B434AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:26:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE0934AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:26:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.155]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so289752yxh.80 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:26:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.127.15 with SMTP id z15mr31302anc.10.1236860781654; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:26:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B89760.4080104@gmail.com> References: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols> <49B8630A.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <49B88D39.8020206@gmail.com> <7BAED8791EAE499195F3C243CF0017C4@PaulPC> <49B89760.4080104@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:26:21 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903120526y4b52d05lfcaef6f1ea674beb@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Latest flash card rebates [was Camedia Card Reader] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 13:26:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b8ff73106311993019900 On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Moose wrote: > Right! I almost forgot to mention on the list the latest Sandisk rebates > for purchases from "Pro Photo dealers", such as B&H and Adorama. > > Buy three and get the real deal. 3x Extreme III 4GB - rebate = $12.95 @ > There are other decent rebates, but that's the winner for me this round. > It gets into UDMA performance territory for $3.24/GB. > > Mine are due tomorrow. Mine arrived on Monday. Thanks for the reminder about the rebate though! (Notoriously bad with RF [rebate followthrough]) > > I've got a little project where I'm hoping UDMA will contribute. And > then, I'll eventually have a DSLR that can take advantage of it. Something with a MkII in it possibly? As far as I know e-thingies hardly tickle non-UDMA, though I have only noted a write-time disappointment after switching from E-330 to E-1 during a gymnastics meet when I was shooting RAW in sequence. Essentially I was shooting a sequence "movie" of an entire routine. The E-1 just stopped dead partway through. That's an interesting experience. Switch to HQ. No probs ever with the E-3, but there's always tomorrow. 5 frames/sec is almost too much even for gymnastics, but that might do it. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 13:31:55 2009 Received: (qmail 13678 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 12:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 12:31:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4368E182E0 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C89E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4C734AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B22B34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:31:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.210.129]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KGE0043184Y6924@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:31:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49B900BB.1040000@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:31:55 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <49B7B736.1060708@verizon.net> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 13:31:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b900bb90071257536491 Crocus bulbs multiply if they survive. Squirrels don't like certain varieties, they must smell different. When we plant new bulbs we cover the area with chicken wire for the winter, then uncover in spring. Just took the "hardware cloth " off the pond, hoping the Blue Heron won't show up. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jim Nichols wrote: > Thanks, John. We have only one or two bulbs left after many years. We > suspect the hungry squirrels dined on the bulbs. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hermanson" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:05 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > > >> We love the crocus! Nice picture, but many people are not moved by >> flowers any more. 24 years ago, I planted purple crocus bulbs at the >> edge of our lawn next to the front steps. They came up a week ago. A >> few dots of color to mark the end of winter. >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on >>> another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 13:44:28 2009 Received: (qmail 13774 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 12:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 12:44:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265E4E18304 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A825AE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DFB34AC028 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:44:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC2734AC026 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:44:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24691 invoked by uid 504); 12 Mar 2009 12:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 Mar 2009 12:44:10 -0000 Message-ID: <49B90399.9080503@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:44:09 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <986C8B8A-985A-40E3-8B19-972A2E0447D2@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <986C8B8A-985A-40E3-8B19-972A2E0447D2@mac.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] T Power Control 1 needs epoxy. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 13:44:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b903ac217123675314703 If the damage is all internal maybe gluing is the right fix. But if = that doesn't work it would seem you might be able to use the bottom half = of a T32 case as a donor for parts. Chuck Norcutt Johan Malmstr=F6m wrote: > Hi there, > = > my T Power Control 1 took a hit and lost its grip. The foot is almost = > loose, I guess that the fitting for the screws, coming from inside the = > unit, was destroyed. > = > Would you glue it together? > = > My T10 took a hit too and has now a dented view of how to enlighten = > the world. Well it seems to be working. They where sitting mounted on = > my 4Ti, when someone ran into the tripod and it fell on the front. :( > = > = > Thanks, > Johan > = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 13:50:17 2009 Received: (qmail 22594 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 12:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 12:50:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46ABBE182E3 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8A7E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DFB34AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:50:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC12334AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:50:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sandyinchina@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so555747wfg.26 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:50:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.229.6 with SMTP id b6mr3889383wfh.139.1236862209629; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:50:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <000001c9a2f7$f95bbad0$ec133070$@com.au> <786AD99A-E4FD-4A77-AF5C-2193AACFA8CC@mac.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:50:09 +0800 Message-ID: From: Sandy Harris To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 13:50:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9050931591946193717 > On 12/03/2009, at 9:26 PM, Johan Malmstr=F6m wrote: > >> 6 is my fav too, and then 8. I like pink. Depends what the goal is. 6 is a very flattering shot in a way, makes her look very sophisticated & classy. At least for me, 2 is far the sexiest shot; I want her looking at me like that. (Fat chance! Pun intended.) For me, though, 7 is far the nicest image, the one I'd ask for if I knew the girl. -- = Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 14:17:07 2009 Received: (qmail 4430 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 13:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 13:17:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933FAE1830C for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CFEE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BA034AC026 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:17:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9059434AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:17:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.210.129]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KGE00HSNA7UBRU3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:16:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49B90B44.4020407@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:16:52 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com><13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols> <49B861AF.1070807@chucknorcutt.com> <36365DEC191D40CAB3CB13498ED53932@SueHome> In-reply-to: <36365DEC191D40CAB3CB13498ED53932@SueHome> Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 14:17:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b90b53317551823421471 I still have a few on vinyl, "Sound Effects", the glossy white cover always featured a large hypodermic syringe and the tag line "doctored for super stereo". I bet they're all out on cd and probably have a few dedicated to aeronautics. We used to be able to go to Tower Records and browse all this stuff. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Sue Pearce wrote: > . >> Maybe such exists for B36s too. >> >> Chuck Norcutt > Chuck, > > There was someone that made LP's of every possible sound, airplanes, cars, > trains, you name it. Can anyone remember who? A lot of strange stuff has > made it to CD'S > > Bill Pearce > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 14:29:30 2009 Received: (qmail 18454 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 13:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 13:29:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07E1E182E2 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCD5E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8150734AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:29:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC79634AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:29:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090312132922.OLFV5856.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:29:22 +0000 Message-Id: <398CBD02-914A-4B6C-AEF0-F01CBB21C6AC@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:29:21 -0400 References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 14:29:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b90e3a318831823421471 Thank you! No 10 is my personal favorite. That D3x sure do look good! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 12, 2009, at 5:17 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Damn - link. > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/sammy_unmod > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 12/03/2009, at 8:14 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> In response to overwhelming demand - some D3x shots from a couple of >> nights ago. >> Haven't been Photoshopped yet though. :-) >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 11/03/2009, at 10:42 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: >> >>> So, is it not in the best interests of this list to post some of the >>> better bikini samples from the D3x, so that we can see for ourselves >>> this wonder Nykon has created? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 14:38:04 2009 Received: (qmail 23572 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 13:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 13:38:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F846E1830B for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D35E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB1619E3FD for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:37:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C1D19E3FB for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:37:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090312133758.JDZW12344.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:37:58 +0000 Message-Id: <97FB4E9F-0FEA-4CFE-9833-58FEC2CCDADB@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:37:57 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 14:38:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9103c16751823421471 Yep. There's no change. The machine recognizes the reader is present, but apparently I need photos on the card to make it work. Or maybe it's just not going to work at all. Even Studio 2 doesn't recognize it. I've got a Lexar CF card reader attached, and whenever I put one of my D3 CF cards in it, Nikon D3 pops up on the desktop and in the finder, and I can do most anything I want. In fact, it's how I update firmware. Download, transfer to card, insert in camera. Guess I need to quietly pitch the frame, or find an XD card reader that will work. Thanx for the help. I appreciate it. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Michael Collins wrote: > If instead there has been no change, I can only conclude that either > the > reader or the card is misbehaving in some way. > > If you do see the volume there, then you should also see it in the > sidebar > of any Finder window, under the DEVICES list (as "NO NAME" in my > example). > You then treat it like any other removable disk, using drag-and-drop > to load > it with files. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 14:38:31 2009 Received: (qmail 9521 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 13:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 13:38:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F52E18317 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D07E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADAF719E40A for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:38:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA13A19E3D2 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:38:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f109.google.com (mail-qy0-f109.google.com [209.85.221.109]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so929449qyk.22 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:38:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.37.14 with SMTP id v14mr13166768qad.70.1236865091288; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:38:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B900BB.1040000@verizon.net> References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <49B7B736.1060708@verizon.net> <49B900BB.1040000@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:38:11 -0400 Message-ID: <14883a8b0903120638m3ca6f3afuc55bca1f4008a04c@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 14:38:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b91057158611023412894 John, One of my neighbors has an elaborate outdoor fish pond that was initially hunted by a Great Blue Heron. His solution was (no not a shotgun) to run parallel strands of fine monofilament fishing line spaced about a foot apart. It doesn't entangle the herons but they *really* dislike it and leave his fish alone. From a few feet away the line is nearly invisible and doesn't spoil the view. If you like I'd be happy to photograph and e-mail to you. Charlie On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:31 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > Crocus bulbs multiply if they survive. Squirrels don't like certain > varieties, they must smell different. When we plant new bulbs we cover > the area with chicken wire for the winter, then uncover in spring. Just > took the "hardware cloth " off the pond, hoping the Blue Heron won't > show up. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Jim Nichols wrote: > > Thanks, John. We have only one or two bulbs left after many years. We > > suspect the hungry squirrels dined on the bulbs. > > > > Jim Nichols > > Tullahoma, TN USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Hermanson" > > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > > > > > >> We love the crocus! Nice picture, but many people are not moved by > >> flowers any more. 24 years ago, I planted purple crocus bulbs at the > >> edge of our lawn next to the front steps. They came up a week ago. A > >> few dots of color to mark the end of winter. > >> ___________________________________ > >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 > >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > >> > >> > >> Jim Nichols wrote: > >>> This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on > >>> another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. > >>> > >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Jim Nichols > >>> Tullahoma, TN USA > >> -- > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >> > >> > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 14:43:03 2009 Received: (qmail 1831 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 13:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 13:43:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC8CE182F7 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EA8E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1C534AC027 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:42:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15A134AC026 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:42:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:42:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.210.129]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KGE00LPYBFJAOW0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:42:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49B91168.6070404@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:43:04 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] T Power Control 1 needs epoxy. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 14:43:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b91167249662070262475 Glue may make the flash un-serviceable. Usually the small part (between = the shoe and the body (CB2608) cracks inside. IF you are going to fix = it, I can mail you a shoe and shoe base. Might as well replace both if = you've got it apart. Please provide mail address. John On 3/12/2009 8:22:42 AM, Johan Malmstr=F6m (jmalmstrom@mac.com) wrote: > Hi there, > = > my T Power Control 1 took a hit and lost its grip. The foot is almost > loose, I guess that the fitting for the screws, coming from inside the > unit, was destroyed. > = > Would you glue it together? > = > My T10 took a hit too and has now a dented view of how to enlighten > the world. Well it seems to be working. They where sitting mounted on > my 4Ti, when someone ran into the tripod and it fell on the front. :( > = > = > Thanks, > Johan > = > = > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 14:44:25 2009 Received: (qmail 18068 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 13:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 13:44:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66686E1830F for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19B8E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25DF19E428 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:44:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FD419E426 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:44:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so403477bwz.14 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:44:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.53.141 with SMTP id m13mr1680bkg.11.1236865458307; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:44:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <398CBD02-914A-4B6C-AEF0-F01CBB21C6AC@roadrunner.com> References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <398CBD02-914A-4B6C-AEF0-F01CBB21C6AC@roadrunner.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:44:18 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 44f303c3eaa5b546 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 14:44:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b911b93551869477228 > > Thank you! No 10 is my personal favorite. That D3x sure do look good! > Yes, that D3X must be a really good camera. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 14:57:33 2009 Received: (qmail 25071 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 13:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 13:57:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230CBE182F6 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEC0E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CDB34AC026 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:57:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D236434AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:57:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so408328bwz.14 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:57:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.56.4 with SMTP id w4mr5122bkg.17.1236866244552; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:57:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0903120526y4b52d05lfcaef6f1ea674beb@mail.gmail.com> References: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols> <49B8630A.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <49B88D39.8020206@gmail.com> <7BAED8791EAE499195F3C243CF0017C4@PaulPC> <49B89760.4080104@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0903120526y4b52d05lfcaef6f1ea674beb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:57:24 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0cbde22abae16e33 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Latest flash card rebates [was Camedia Card Reader] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 14:57:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b914cd294371234514069 > > Something with a MkII in it possibly? As far as I know e-thingies > hardly tickle non-UDMA, though I have only noted a write-time > disappointment after switching from E-330 to E-1 during a gymnastics > meet when I was shooting RAW in sequence. Essentially I was shooting > a sequence "movie" of an entire routine. The E-1 just stopped dead > partway through. That's an interesting experience. Switch to HQ. > That was the problem I eluded to yesterday. When you stuff a sequence of 10-12 RAW images in the E-1 and then allow it to partially drain then pack the buffer back out again, about the third or fourth time you do this the camera write process will temporarily lockup. Of course, I can never recreate this in testing, but it will sure do it at the most inopportune times. Oh, and yes, this occured with both of our E-1s. It takes 5-10 minutes for the camera to recover and then it is fine again. If you can't wait the 5-10 minutes, just pop the battery out to reset the camera. I've never had a problem with corrupted files when doing this, but when I'm shooting something important I'll go to another card just in case. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 14:59:26 2009 Received: (qmail 16589 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 13:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 13:59:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90040E18309 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44846E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3500D19E49C for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:59:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD92319E48D for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so634446ywk.80 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.142.4 with SMTP id p4mr105568and.23.1236866360160; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <398CBD02-914A-4B6C-AEF0-F01CBB21C6AC@roadrunner.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:59:19 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903120659q592777e5n518ccccf88b52e48@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 14:59:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9153e14429347015869 On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Thank you! No 10 is my personal favorite. That D3x sure do look good! >> > > > Yes, that D3X must be a really good camera. > > AG Betcha. She's really got little black snakes for hair and a pointy hat. With the photon restructuring feature it makes not only the subject but the photographer look great! Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 15:07:07 2009 Received: (qmail 16289 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 14:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 14:07:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0389FE18319 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABBCE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC3C19E4E6 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:07:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34F019E4D7 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:06:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so636620ywk.80 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:06:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.70.15 with SMTP id x15mr114313ank.11.1236866819221; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:06:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols> <49B8630A.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <49B88D39.8020206@gmail.com> <7BAED8791EAE499195F3C243CF0017C4@PaulPC> <49B89760.4080104@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0903120526y4b52d05lfcaef6f1ea674beb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:06:59 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903120706l301dd410ge5fb923299f37600@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Latest flash card rebates [was Camedia Card Reader] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 15:07:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9170b259591993019900 On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Something with a MkII in it possibly? =A0As far as I know e-thingies >> hardly tickle non-UDMA, though I have only noted a write-time >> disappointment after switching from E-330 to E-1 during a gymnastics >> meet when I was shooting RAW in sequence. =A0Essentially I was shooting >> a sequence "movie" of an entire routine. =A0The E-1 just stopped dead >> partway through. =A0That's an interesting experience. =A0Switch to HQ. >> > > > That was the problem I eluded to yesterday. =A0When you stuff a sequence = of > 10-12 RAW images in the E-1 and then allow it to partially drain then pack > the buffer back out again, about the third or fourth time you do this the > camera write process will temporarily lockup. =A0Of course, I can never > recreate this in testing, but it will sure do it at the most inopportune > times. =A0Oh, and yes, this occured with both of our E-1s. =A0It takes 5-= 10 > minutes for the camera to recover and then it is fine again. It didn't take that long to recover. It was just writing to the card all that time. Meanwhile the girl's routine was over. I think it's a matter of just not expecting an E-1 to act like a 2009 model. I had a chip malfunction between my shoulders. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 15:10:36 2009 Received: (qmail 13521 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 14:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 14:10:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDB0E1831A for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31ED5E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAC734AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:10:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5877C34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:10:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.6] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6304615AD for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:30:31 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <88569AD2-EE8A-45BB-A4D9-22A86A14137E@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <235DE496F4E747AB8BE28BD15D36736E@PaulPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:10:28 +0000 References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com><13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols> <49B861AF.1070807@chucknorcutt.com> <235DE496F4E747AB8BE28BD15D36736E@PaulPC> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 15:10:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b917dc174142070262475 Hmm, Paul. That doesn't sound like a multi-engined aircraft at all. Chris On 12 Mar 2009, at 02:51, Paul Laughlin wrote: > There is one file at this URL: > http://avanimation.avsupport.com/Sound.htm > > Just scroll down to #52 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 15:11:04 2009 Received: (qmail 1121 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 14:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 14:11:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575C4E1830C for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4835CE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB7C34AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:10:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BB634AC026 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:10:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so407424fxm.14 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:10:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.58.16 with SMTP id e16mr6682bkh.43.1236867033342; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:10:33 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7e8628dba9eefa8e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 15:11:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b917f8257491023412894 Tonight I have a school concert to photograph and I'm going to be taking the "Golden Child Kit" out for the first time. Said kit consists of the: 1. OM-3Ti 2. MD2 3. 35-80/2.8 zoom 4. T45 Flash I did extensive testing of this kit, not necessarily to see if it knew how to operate, but to see if I knew how to operate it. This is, by far, the slickest auto-flash setup for the OM system and I had to do a bunch of experimentation to learn how to use it. The OM-3Ti has a certain feature that I'm not aware of with any other OM body--the ability to exposure-compensate the flash. As the camera is a manual camera, the electronics can't screw up the aperture. So, you nail down the shutter speed and aperture and move the flash switch to TTL. Then you can adjust the exposure compensation dial which has absolutely no affect on the aperture/speed, but adjusts the TTL flash!!!! My only grouse with this kit is that it is HEAVY. I'm sure I could shed the lens or the MD2 and get things under control, but if you are going to shoot with an integrated monstrosity, don't cut corners. I have two big event shoots next month which are going to be shot heavily on film and tonight's test is a field trial of this new kit. I need to get the bugs out of the system, but more importantly, the bugs out of my own methodology. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 15:24:36 2009 Received: (qmail 6335 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 14:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 14:24:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEFFE18319 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E90E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1F419E570 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:24:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A0A19E557 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:24:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so641587ywk.80 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.254.15 with SMTP id b15mr97602ani.150.1236867870116; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:24:30 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903120724t57dd3c4ete216849cd53de739@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 15:24:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b91b24289691529615919 On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Tonight I have a school concert to photograph and I'm going to be taking = the > "Golden Child Kit" out for the first time. Said kit consists of the: > > 1. OM-3Ti > 2. MD2 > 3. 35-80/2.8 zoom > 4. T45 Flash > > I did extensive testing of this kit, not necessarily to see if it knew how > to operate, but to see if I knew how to operate it. =A0This is, by far, t= he > slickest auto-flash setup for the OM system and I had to do a bunch of > experimentation to learn how to use it. The OM-3Ti has a certain feature > that I'm not aware of with any other OM body--the ability to > exposure-compensate the flash. As the camera is a manual camera, the > electronics can't screw up the aperture. =A0So, you nail down the shutter > speed and aperture and move the flash switch to TTL. Then you can adjust = the > exposure compensation dial which has absolutely no affect on the > aperture/speed, but adjusts the TTL flash!!!! Cool, but do tell how to use it? There are three things that can happen with TTL, and two of them are bad. With people shots, -.7 exposure comp possibly improves the odds. That's all I know. I've been spoiled by the MC (manual chimp) feature of my E-thingies with flashies. I'm beyond redemption OM-wise I fear. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 15:25:01 2009 Received: (qmail 23574 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 14:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 14:25:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE27E182E5 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B0AE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA1934AC026 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:24:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4876434AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:24:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Lhlq6-0007in-1N for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:24:50 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.5]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Lhlq5-0004wY-DN for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:24:49 +0000 Message-ID: <49B91B41.5040006@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:25:05 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <398CBD02-914A-4B6C-AEF0-F01CBB21C6AC@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <398CBD02-914A-4B6C-AEF0-F01CBB21C6AC@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 15:25:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b91b3d255523675314703 Bob Whitmire wrote: > Thank you! No 10 is my personal favorite. That D3x sure do look good! > > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > I'm with you, Bob. Nice legs... D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 15:32:17 2009 Received: (qmail 13795 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 14:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 14:32:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32547E18305 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A92E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B4D34AC027 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:32:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8567B34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:32:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so415879fxm.14 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:32:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.207 with SMTP id w15mr6603bkq.126.1236868329146; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:32:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0903120724t57dd3c4ete216849cd53de739@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0903120724t57dd3c4ete216849cd53de739@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:32:08 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 899ec79673c51de0 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 15:32:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b91cf1308891529615919 > > Cool, but do tell how to use it? There are three things that can > happen with TTL, and two of them are bad. With people shots, -.7 > exposure comp possibly improves the odds. That's all I know. > Easy. Just turn the exposure-compensation dial (the one surrounding the rewind knob) down two clicks. The shutter speed is typically set to 1/60 and the aperture to whatever you want. > I've been spoiled by the MC (manual chimp) feature of my E-thingies > with flashies. I'm beyond redemption OM-wise I fear. > It kinda takes balls these days to to not be a chimp-slave. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 15:40:20 2009 Received: (qmail 22184 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 14:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 14:40:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE87E1830D for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B887BE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA40D19E5AF for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:40:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B8719E5B1 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:40:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so419063fxm.14 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:40:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.51.200 with SMTP id e8mr4956bkg.175.1236868812471; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:40:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0903120706l301dd410ge5fb923299f37600@mail.gmail.com> References: <03F12E1C-F18C-48D1-AB2C-DC72FCE21A84@roadrunner.com> <6399173739864A4287232714EC758E1F@jimnichols> <49B8630A.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <49B88D39.8020206@gmail.com> <7BAED8791EAE499195F3C243CF0017C4@PaulPC> <49B89760.4080104@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0903120526y4b52d05lfcaef6f1ea674beb@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0903120706l301dd410ge5fb923299f37600@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:40:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 779d7dfd8af63e61 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Latest flash card rebates [was Camedia Card Reader] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 15:40:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b91ed4240671869477228 > > It didn't take that long to recover. It was just writing to the card > all that time. Meanwhile the girl's routine was over. I think it's a > matter of just not expecting an E-1 to act like a 2009 model. I had a > chip malfunction between my shoulders. > For that kinda of stuff (sports, motorsports, etc), I'm pretty much using HQ mode. HQ in the E-1 is exceptionally good and there is rarely, if ever, any visible difference between it and SHQ. Of course, the key to survival is to make sure the sharpening is turned to "0". Boy, did you know that the OM-3/4Ti with the MD2 is FAST? It'll sit and do 5 FPS all day long (with brief moments of film changing every 36 exposures). AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 16:02:37 2009 Received: (qmail 30295 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 15:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 15:02:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A42E1830E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8474DE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA0819E5F4 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:02:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A10A19E61F for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:02:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:02:29 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2CF2PgI002709 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:02:28 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg><6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:02:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 16:02:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9240d256109117217770 Very nice! Thanks for sharing. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough > Damn - link. > http://www.pbase.com/afildes/sammy_unmod > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 12/03/2009, at 8:14 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> In response to overwhelming demand - some D3x shots from a couple of >> nights ago. >> Haven't been Photoshopped yet though. :-) >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 11/03/2009, at 10:42 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: >> >>> So, is it not in the best interests of this list to post some of the >>> better bikini samples from the D3x, so that we can see for ourselves >>> this wonder Nykon has created? >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 16:48:50 2009 Received: (qmail 29517 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 15:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 15:48:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A39BE18304 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C5FE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D24034AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:48:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213AA34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:48:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so666993ywk.80 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:48:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.58.18 with SMTP id g18mr152252ana.26.1236869930735; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:58:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9e908c1f0903120724t57dd3c4ete216849cd53de739@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:58:50 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903120758i7b866c97j1abb09ceca8edf8@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 16:48:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b92ee243171234514069 On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Cool, but do tell how to use it? =A0There are three things that can >> happen with TTL, and two of them are bad. =A0With people shots, -.7 >> exposure comp possibly improves the odds. =A0That's all I know. >> > > Easy. =A0Just turn the exposure-compensation dial (the one surrounding the > rewind knob) down two clicks. =A0The shutter speed is typically set to 1/= 60 > and the aperture to whatever you want. OK, but it doesn't take an OM-3Ti and T45 to do that. The beauty of it is the constant aperture setting, yes? On the OM-2S, a + or - exp comp changes the aperture, doesn't it? > >> I've been spoiled by the MC (manual chimp) feature of my E-thingies >> with flashies. =A0I'm beyond redemption OM-wise I fear. >> > > It kinda takes balls these days to to not be a chimp-slave. It would take balls if you were shooting on transparency film! Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 17:58:49 2009 Received: (qmail 27324 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 16:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 16:58:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C94E18317 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A300AE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9653934AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:58:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9C434AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:58:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so659007fkq.14 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:58:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.120.70 with SMTP id c6mr47199bkr.144.1236877119951; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:58:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0903120758i7b866c97j1abb09ceca8edf8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0903120724t57dd3c4ete216849cd53de739@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0903120758i7b866c97j1abb09ceca8edf8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:58:39 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c91a7594e8f5adef Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 17:58:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b93f49108591823421471 >OK, but it doesn't take an OM-3Ti and T45 to do that. The beauty of it is >the constant aperture setting, yes? On the OM-2S, a + or - exp comp >changes the aperture, doesn't it? > Well, yes and no. The exposure compensation dial is really only adjusting the ISO setting. When you are in full-auto mode with the 2S or 4T, if you are starting at ISO 400 and adjust the exposure compensation dial to +1.0, you've actually turned the internal ISO selector to ISO 200. That's why, on the OM bodies, the rings are co-located. The TTL flash works in TTL mode only in Auto on the 2S and 4(Ti). As such, if you dial in -2/3 exposure compensation it is not only "dimming" the flash by 2/3 a stop, but it is also altering the entire exposure accordingly--ie., the ambient exposure. This is why you cannot effectively adjust fill-factors with the OM system. To the best of my knowledge, neither the OM-2(md,n,s) or OM-4(T,Ti) will operate the flash in TTL while in manual-exposure mode. The OM-3Ti allows me to dial in a fixed shutter speed up to 1/60 second and any aperture. If I want to keep my flash from blasting the snot out of someone's face, I can use exposure compensation to weaken the flash, but my ambient exposure remains fixed. That said,... I did extensive testing with the OM-2S/T45 and this camera seems to work better than the OM-4T in the following scenario--not that the 4T is a dog, but the 2S seems to have a slightly different set of rules in the algorithm: When shooting in Auto exposure mode with TTL flash, you adjust the aperture till the indicated shutter speed is no faster than 1/60. Any faster and the flash will not fire. The 2S forces the shutter speed DURING exposure to 1/60, but the scale will show the required exposure for the ambient lighting. As a general rule of thumb, I always try to keep the scale showing between 1/8 and 1/30. At 1/15, this puts the ambient exposure two stops down which seems to be about the perfect ratio for me. Unfortunately, this means that I cannot use the TTL flash-control for fill-flash as the ambient exposure is showing at 1/60 or faster and the flash will fail to fire. I honestly haven't spent enough time with the 4T in this scenario to determine exactly how, in predictable terms, how it works in comparison to the OM-2S but it seems to fire the flash if the ambient exposure is showing 1/60 whereas tthe OM-2S doesn't. So, for outdoor fill flash where my background is notably brighter than the foreground, it is not possible to use TTL flash as the flash will not fire. But that's where the OM-3Ti is different. The OM-3Ti will fire the flash no matter what. So, I can go ahead and adjust my aperture (shutter speed is generally fixed) for the background, placing it high-key and using the TTL flash to fill the faces. However, to keep from getting that over-flash look, I would adjust the exposure-compensation dial down, say -2/3 to fill the shadows but not get the flat look. >It would take balls if you were shooting on transparency film! I'm not that much of a man. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 18:07:41 2009 Received: (qmail 15471 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 17:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 17:07:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C638E182FE for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB68E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7917334AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:07:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6846334AC02B for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LhoNZ-0007JE-1z for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:07:33 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg><6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:07:30 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acmi83dbcQ7iJ4jzR0GDT2dT9XT1FQAQXXXw X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090311-1, 11/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/9095/Wed Mar 11 22:20:07 2009, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 18:07:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9415d79341234514069 Am I alone in finding the Subject line of this thread in need of amendment? Piers -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] Sent: 12 March 2009 09:17 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough Damn - link. http://www.pbase.com/afildes/sammy_unmod Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/03/2009, at 8:14 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > In response to overwhelming demand - some D3x shots from a couple of > nights ago. > Haven't been Photoshopped yet though. :-) Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 11/03/2009, at 10:42 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > >> So, is it not in the best interests of this list to post some of the >> better bikini samples from the D3x, so that we can see for ourselves >> this wonder Nykon has created? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 18:18:54 2009 Received: (qmail 5202 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 17:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 17:18:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA37E182F6 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C715E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F48834AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:18:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D7234AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:18:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:18:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.210.129]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KGE00HEXLF67HX5@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:18:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49B943FC.4000908@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:18:52 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> <49B7D9E1.9000204@gmail.com> <49B7DC60.7010509@blueyonder.co.uk> In-reply-to: <49B7DC60.7010509@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 18:18:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b943fe38791993019900 If water gets in any camera, it may take the trapped moisture several = weeks or months to do it's damage. .....just sayin...... ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Donald wrote: > Richard Lovison wrote: >> khen lim wrote: >>> LOL. Touch=E9, Piers. :) >>> Just flicked the switch to ON....the camera >>> shuddered....brrr...brrr...brrr...that's the IS.1 kicking in and the bl= ue >>> light flickered...that's SSWF. >>> > = > > = >>> Anything else? :) >> Yeah, did you open up the drain plug at the bottom? >> > = > Oddly enough, I got the E-400 damp just on Sunday. Windy, wet = > conditions, we were out at South Queensferry for lunch at the Hawes Inn = > (wife's birthday). > = > Didn't get very wet, but well covered with spots of driven rain while I = > helped my old mum out to the car. > = > Still works fine. Worries fading, though still there. > = > D. > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 18:31:14 2009 Received: (qmail 25415 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 17:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 17:31:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EE5E182DC for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB5FE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB35334AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:31:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254BA34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:31:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so1994156bwz.14 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:31:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.75.195 with SMTP id z3mr33113bkj.41.1236879066882; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:31:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:31:06 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: df9e1a7021510e36 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 18:31:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b946e2306211234514069 > > Am I alone in finding the Subject line of this thread in need of amendment? > 18? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 18:33:22 2009 Received: (qmail 28687 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 17:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 17:33:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC23FE18307 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DA6E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B090634AC027 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:33:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865DA34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:33:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (castanet.xiosnetworks@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so944878tid.10 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:33:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.110.3.15 with SMTP id 15mr191039tic.0.1236879193822; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:33:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B943FC.4000908@verizon.net> References: <7e764efe0903110728m58eece3amacf003b157d7f9cf@mail.gmail.com> <7AA8E0EE44B441B8AC6B3F3D35BE6C00@your9ya3hf92n3> <7e764efe0903110830w614a40c7gc331a58c47dcae37@mail.gmail.com> <49B7D9E1.9000204@gmail.com> <49B7DC60.7010509@blueyonder.co.uk> <49B943FC.4000908@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:33:13 +0800 Message-ID: <7e764efe0903121033r27a58356kc7ef6773697dff10@mail.gmail.com> From: khen lim To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 18:33:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b94762241001591313764 My E-510 is now well over a year and in that time, it had gone through four bouts of rain of which one was a horrible torrential. That was in 2006 (twice), 2007 (once) and 2008 (once). It is still working and I'm happy. Maybe it's my good fortune. K. 2009/3/13 John Hermanson > If water gets in any camera, it may take the trapped moisture several > weeks or months to do it's damage. .....just sayin...... > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Donald wrote: > > Richard Lovison wrote: > >> khen lim wrote: > >>> LOL. Touch=E9, Piers. :) > >>> Just flicked the switch to ON....the camera > >>> shuddered....brrr...brrr...brrr...that's the IS.1 kicking in and the > blue > >>> light flickered...that's SSWF. > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Anything else? :) > >> Yeah, did you open up the drain plug at the bottom? > >> > > > > Oddly enough, I got the E-400 damp just on Sunday. Windy, wet > > conditions, we were out at South Queensferry for lunch at the Hawes Inn > > (wife's birthday). > > > > Didn't get very wet, but well covered with spots of driven rain while I > > helped my old mum out to the car. > > > > Still works fine. Worries fading, though still there. > > > > D. > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people=94 - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 18:34:27 2009 Received: (qmail 13055 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 17:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 17:34:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831D5E18308 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEAEE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1F919E912 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:34:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929FD19E906 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:34:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D853140CB for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A96A314045 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49B947A6.7090005@interisland.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:34:30 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: [OM] Setting up photo storage on 2+ hard drives X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 18:34:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b947a3252802336821329 I am trying to figure out the best and easiest way to back up my photos. I just picked up a 1tb HD and have it in an eSATA remote enclosure. When it's powered up it looks just like any other HD on the system. So far I've just been copying the files from one of the internal drives to it every once in a while. I also have another remote drive that I use for regular backups. (6 total drives) What I'd like to do is to automatically copy the photo files to two drives at the same time in a way that doesn't compromise the archived files. Maybe some type of RAID array? However I have no experience setting up a RAID array but understand that there are safe options. A RAID set up would require another HD purchase as the 250gb drives are nearly full. See Newegg sale below. So maybe there is a software solution? I'm using Acronis v9 but I don't see an option for making double copies. So what do you all do? Recommend? Using XP home edition. (Yes, I realize a Mac will do this while also making coffee and washing dishes) Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 18:38:04 2009 Received: (qmail 11430 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 17:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 17:38:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD55E18314 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B2DE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB21919E924 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:37:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EEE19E92F for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:37:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n2CHbrEa002273 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:37:54 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg><6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:35:28 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 18:38:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9487c211411023412894 Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm It is hard to beat the 180/2.8 for such event, it is very sharp even wide open and it did very well in isolate the background too. But the DOF is really really shallow. Actual pixel cropped from IMG_1973 (on a 21MP body). http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_1973c.JPG Enjoy! C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 18:44:10 2009 Received: (qmail 16260 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 17:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 17:44:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EE7E182E4 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92EDE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB9634AC027 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:44:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716C434AC026 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:44:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08133314047 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC79314046 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49B949ED.1040508@interisland.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:44:13 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 18:44:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b949ea29321585427447 The local Navy base will be "expanding" the operational area of the A6's. Not good. Those puppies are LOUD! Reading between the lines it means the closer populated areas are bitching. Especially after that crash in LA. I don't see why they can't do their business out in the straits or offshore. Seems like areas with low population lack clout. Last grab was Vancouver YVP trying to route approaches over us. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 18:50:10 2009 Received: (qmail 23952 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 17:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 17:50:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8F1E18314 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08815E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4F934AC029 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:50:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC2034AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:50:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lhp2h-0001LA-8x for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:50:03 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <49B947A6.7090005@interisland.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:50:00 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <49B947A6.7090005@interisland.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcmjOM43Gi7p4MxBQnePL8i3cL4+nwAAeVLg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090311-1, 11/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/9095/Wed Mar 11 22:20:07 2009, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Subject: Re: [OM] Setting up photo storage on 2+ hard drives X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 18:50:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b94b52186121585427447 Can you not get acronis to make a first copy from C to X, and then a second copy from X to Z? Granted, it isn't simultaneous, but it gets the job done, no? Piers -----Original Message----- From: Mike Lazzari [mailto:watershed@interisland.net] Sent: 12 March 2009 17:35 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Setting up photo storage on 2+ hard drives I am trying to figure out the best and easiest way to back up my photos. I just picked up a 1tb HD and have it in an eSATA remote enclosure. When it's powered up it looks just like any other HD on the system. So far I've just been copying the files from one of the internal drives to it every once in a while. I also have another remote drive that I use for regular backups. (6 total drives) What I'd like to do is to automatically copy the photo files to two drives at the same time in a way that doesn't compromise the archived files. Maybe some type of RAID array? However I have no experience setting up a RAID array but understand that there are safe options. A RAID set up would require another HD purchase as the 250gb drives are nearly full. See Newegg sale below. So maybe there is a software solution? I'm using Acronis v9 but I don't see an option for making double copies. So what do you all do? Recommend? Using XP home edition. (Yes, I realize a Mac will do this while also making coffee and washing dishes) Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 18:54:36 2009 Received: (qmail 25863 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 17:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 17:54:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F10EE1830C for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898D8E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6AF34AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:54:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FB534AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:54:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1033330ywk.80 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:54:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.126.15 with SMTP id y15mr113023anc.38.1236880470361; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:54:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:54:30 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 18:54:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b94c5c200991869477228 On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, > all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm > > It is hard to beat the 180/2.8 for such event, it is very sharp even wide > open and it did very well in isolate the background too. But the DOF > is really really shallow. > > Actual pixel cropped from IMG_1973 (on a 21MP body). > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_1973c.JPG Those are very hard to choose among. I think there is something special about the model in 1949. 1866 is a great portrait, and 1891 has a nice blending with the background. 100% enjoyable, nothing not to like! You also apparently have a really good camera. ;^) Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 19:14:27 2009 Received: (qmail 18591 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 18:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 18:14:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55807E182F0 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5BBE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD7634AC02B for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:14:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A49134AC027 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:14:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jim.timpe@fluke.com whitelisted) Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 4BB756D02W for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:14:14 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:13:37 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 thread-index: AcmjOl8V6UWyWTTOSI6dl61G1jcokAAAztIg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2009 18:14:14.0829 (UTC) FILETIME=[59E59DD0:01C9A33E] Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 19:14:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b95103171321499373980 >http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_1973c.JPG >Enjoy! >C.H.Ling As usual, pretty much breathtaking stuff. Your subject matter ain't half bad either 8^) Jim -- Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. 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Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 19:20:33 2009 Received: (qmail 7720 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 18:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 18:20:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD80E1831F for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B63E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CA419EAA3 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BD519DB28 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jim.timpe@fluke.com whitelisted) Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 5F430BB6GA for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:20:25 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:19:41 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0903121033r27a58356kc7ef6773697dff10@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Highly overrated? Not thread-index: AcmjOKaO6EXOyct2TnmfrKaMzH1SfgABh3eA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2009 18:20:25.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[36E6EAE0:01C9A33F] Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 19:20:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b95271155077927319144 >My E-510 is now well over a year and in that time, >it had gone through four bouts of rain of which one was a horrible torrential. >That >was in 2006 (twice), 2007 (once) and 2008 (once). >It is still working and I'm happy. Maybe it's my good fortune. >K. Mine has been subjected to three fairly lengthy exposures to ocean air and sand. One time in particular the wind was pelting me quite energetically with spray and sand. It's still performing flawlessly. Wish the same could be said about me. Jim -- Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. In addition, Danaher and its subsidiaries disclaim that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any contract or agreement or any amendment thereto; provided that the foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment to this email. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 19:24:27 2009 Received: (qmail 128 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 18:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 18:24:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3BFE182E1 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E2CE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D345719EB00 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1899519EAFA for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so858259fkq.14 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.130 with SMTP id i2mr69750bkg.176.1236882259535; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <11D85DFC32B646EDADF192B861919EDF@SueHome> References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <398CBD02-914A-4B6C-AEF0-F01CBB21C6AC@roadrunner.com> <11D85DFC32B646EDADF192B861919EDF@SueHome> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:24:19 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 793eadcc1f884b54 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 19:24:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9535b157065368819438 > > So, AG, youre saying that if I get a D3x, women that look like that will > look at me like that? > If so, there's no chance that my wife will let me get a new camera. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 19:24:54 2009 Received: (qmail 14728 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 18:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 18:24:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8E3E18311 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143B1E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0450219EB00 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCA619EAFA for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (castanet.xiosnetworks@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so1017522tid.10 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.110.42.1 with SMTP id p1mr223977tip.12.1236882261307; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:24:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7e764efe0903121033r27a58356kc7ef6773697dff10@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:24:21 +0800 Message-ID: <7e764efe0903121124q71d0b927hfeadebcc004d4256@mail.gmail.com> From: khen lim To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 19:24:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b95375263217350615338 I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one. Perhaps this is reasonable proof that it wasn't a fluke. The fact is that the E-510/520 - for its price at least - is extremely well built and the construction quality including fit and finish is high enough to provide some adequate degree of protection against the elements although that doesn't qualify it for the level of weatherproofing that the E-1 and E-3 are capable of. Still for its price, I certainly can't complain. The same can also be said of the E-30, which as I'd mentioned earlier in this thread, had also gone through its first rain experience and I'm sure there will be more in the future with the kind of unpredictable weather we're having over here. K. 2009/3/13 Timpe, Jim > >My E-510 is now well over a year and in that time, > >it had gone through four bouts of rain of which one was a horrible > torrential. > >That >was in 2006 (twice), 2007 (once) and 2008 (once). > >It is still working and I'm happy. Maybe it's my good fortune. > >K. > > Mine has been subjected to three fairly lengthy exposures to ocean air > and sand. One time in particular the wind was pelting me quite > energetically with spray and sand. It's still performing flawlessly. > Wish the same could be said about me. > Jim > -- > > Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. > If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or > re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error, > please notify us by email by replying to the sender and by telephone > (call us collect at +1 202-828-0850) and delete this message and any > attachments. 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(VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Highly overrated? Not X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 19:27:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b95425295561585427447 khen lim wrote: > My E-510 is now well over a year and in that time, it had gone through four > bouts of rain of which one was a horrible torrential. That was in 2006 > (twice), 2007 (once) and 2008 (once). It is still working and I'm happy. > Maybe it's my good fortune. Nah, must be because you have "Gawd" on your side. -- Richard Lovison Photography http://www.richardlovison.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 19:30:17 2009 Received: (qmail 14036 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 18:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 18:30:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BE9E1830D for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78716E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610E419EB28 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 19:30:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b954b9152991869477228 > > You also apparently have a really good camera. ;^) > I'm doomed. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 19:33:46 2009 Received: (qmail 27292 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 18:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 18:33:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8D8E182E3 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C71E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C2234AC029 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:33:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD57034AC02B for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so2146295bwz.14 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:33:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.77.102 with SMTP id f38mr81561bkk.62.1236882819105; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:33:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B949ED.1040508@interisland.net> References: <49B949ED.1040508@interisland.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:33:38 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d927040835f5afd4 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 19:33:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9558a157791869477228 > > The local Navy base will be "expanding" the operational area of the > A6's. Not good. Those puppies are LOUD! Reading between the lines it > means the closer populated areas are bitching. That's the sound of freedom. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 19:35:16 2009 Received: (qmail 10949 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 18:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 18:35:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C97E1831A for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1495E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A321F34AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:35:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38623610006 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:35:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip3.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.86]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090312183508.RRB1809.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip3.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:35:08 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag8CAPDyuElMRzJQ/2dsb2JhbAAI0wuCRYFIBmGGRg Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279734352.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.50.80]) by toip3.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2009 14:29:18 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:35:06 -0500 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Camedia Card Reader Thread-Index: AcmjQUOngih39g80Ed6ICQAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <97FB4E9F-0FEA-4CFE-9833-58FEC2CCDADB@roadrunner.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 19:35:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b955e4272109117217770 I formatted my xD card in the camera to be sure that it contained no files, and tried it again in the SanDisk reader. As I expected, it was recognised, and the Finder showed it as a volume 'NO NAME' (and incidentally no directories/folders). BTW, the example I gave from System Profiler was wrong, it was for a CF card. The xD card shows up essentially the same: ImageMate 14 in 1 Reader/Writer: Capacity: 1.95 GB Removable Media: Yes Detachable Drive: Yes BSD Name: disk4 Product ID: 0xb4b5 Vendor ID: 0x0781 (SanDisk Corporation) Version: 93.39 Serial Number: 0303986814 Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec Manufacturer: SanDisk Location ID: 0x40200000 Current Available (mA): 500 Current Required (mA): 500 Mac OS 9 Drivers: No Partition Map Type: MBR (Master Boot Record) S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported Volumes: NO NAME: Capacity: 1.95 GB Available: 1.95 GB Writable: Yes File System: MS-DOS FAT16 BSD Name: disk4s1 Mount Point: /Volumes/NO NAME Michael On 3/12/09 8:37 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Guess I need to quietly pitch the frame, or find an XD card reader > that will work. Thanx for the help. I appreciate it. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 19:38:49 2009 Received: (qmail 29527 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 18:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 18:38:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D7AE18357 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B141E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE0819EB6D for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:38:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCCB19EBA4 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:38:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25574 invoked by uid 502); 12 Mar 2009 18:38:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.164.72) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Mar 2009 18:38:31 -0000 Message-ID: <49B956A1.9000307@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:38:25 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <49B68C44.3090107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49B68C44.3090107@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 19:38:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b956b998931035110158 Richard Lovison wrote: > I think it is quite nice. I like the overall composition, the detail in the flowers and the contrast provided by the white flowers and the dark green and brown colors of the leaves. > I agree. I think the background/setting helps 'make' the image. > It probably got a cool reception as flower shots are so prevalent and people bore easily... especially nowadays. > Yeah. I took flower shots when I was a kid, and I take them today. Many are probably interchangeable. Yet I continue to do it - and to get satisfaction from it. I've come to the conclusion that it's something about the process that simply pleases me, and is worthwhile for that alone. I see a pretty flower, take its picture, often spend time processing it, look at the result, and am happy. I would like it if others enjoyed them too, but I realize that's not the most important thing. And as you say, it seems many folks aren't moved by the images when posted. Seems only fair. Lots of listees seem to like images of aeroplanes, trains, cars, motorcycles, etc. Mostly those images just don't move me. I'm fairly often interested in technical qualities of the images, but seldom the subjects. So I only post flower images occasionally. And appreciate it when Carol likes them here at home. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 19:51:58 2009 Received: (qmail 25931 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 18:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 18:51:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A43E1832B for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A592E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD5419EC50 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:51:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5A119EC5F for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:51:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:51:38 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2CIpY0a030459 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:51:36 GMT Message-ID: <8411162992434429A87E8C1F47C11C2C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols><49B68C44.3090107@gmail.com> <49B956A1.9000307@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:51:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 19:51:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b959ce315491234514069 Hi Moose, I have to agree that I take flower pictures because 1) they are available, and 2) they are the pictures that my wife appreciates the most. It seems that the photos that get the most comments are street shots that include strangers or pretty girls ( I like those, too), or those of young children or pets. I'm just getting to old to pursue most of those subjects. My children shots are now of great-grandkids, and even they are hard to keep up with. Thanks for your comments. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > Richard Lovison wrote: >> I think it is quite nice. I like the overall composition, the detail in >> the flowers and the contrast provided by the white flowers and the dark >> green and brown colors of the leaves. >> > > I agree. I think the background/setting helps 'make' the image. > >> It probably got a cool reception as flower shots are so prevalent and >> people bore easily... especially nowadays. >> > > Yeah. I took flower shots when I was a kid, and I take them today. Many > are probably interchangeable. Yet I continue to do it - and to get > satisfaction from it. I've come to the conclusion that it's something > about the process that simply pleases me, and is worthwhile for that > alone. I see a pretty flower, take its picture, often spend time > processing it, look at the result, and am happy. > > I would like it if others enjoyed them too, but I realize that's not the > most important thing. And as you say, it seems many folks aren't moved > by the images when posted. Seems only fair. Lots of listees seem to like > images of aeroplanes, trains, cars, motorcycles, etc. Mostly those > images just don't move me. I'm fairly often interested in technical > qualities of the images, but seldom the subjects. > > So I only post flower images occasionally. And appreciate it when Carol > likes them here at home. > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 20:09:32 2009 Received: (qmail 3651 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 19:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 19:09:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A598CE18320 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0426FE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E040034AC02B for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:09:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC6834AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:09:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18157 invoked by uid 502); 12 Mar 2009 19:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.189.240) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Mar 2009 19:09:25 -0000 Message-ID: <49B95DE3.6010104@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:09:23 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 20:09:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b95dec263161499373980 Jim Nichols wrote: > This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html > As I've said, I like the image, composition/framing, background, etc. It does seem to me that the primary subject is slightly overexposed. I find exposure with the F10 to take a fair amount of attention, if one wants it right without post processing. The F30, with Manual, Aperture and Shutter preferred modes and a dedicated EV compensation button, I find to be easier. While their low light performance is unmatched, the F10/30 aren't quiet as smart in direct sunlight as many of their peers. If the sun's out, mine are by default set at -2/3 EV. Same thing if there is fair contrast range and something(s) bright that I want to hold. When I was using the F10 (now Carol's camera) a lot, I often set it on Spot metering and would set exposure by moving the frame around until the LCD was where I wanted it, half press, compose and shoot. With this image, it seems to me that the composite exposure has under compensated for background/subject differences and overexposed the crocuses. That means less tonal 'texture' in the whites and the loss of detail in the stamens. For me, it should look something more like this. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 20:17:02 2009 Received: (qmail 31923 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 19:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 19:17:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF25E18323 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414DCE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A7D19E0F8 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:16:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E08919E3A5 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:16:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:16:55 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2CJGqkP006245 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:16:54 GMT Message-ID: <0D2F8FEA42AE49F694C22F117B855251@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <49B95DE3.6010104@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:17:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 20:17:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b95fae236201591313764 Moose, Many thanks for the rework. It looks great. I took the photo hurriedly, on a cloudy morning. I failed to notice that I had left the flash "on" from a previous set of indoor shots. Hence, the lighting on the petals is from the fill flash. When I shot the fully open flowers on the next day, the sun was out and I used no flash, with better results. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > Jim Nichols wrote: >> This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on >> another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html >> > > As I've said, I like the image, composition/framing, background, etc. > > It does seem to me that the primary subject is slightly overexposed. I > find exposure with the F10 to take a fair amount of attention, if one > wants it right without post processing. The F30, with Manual, Aperture > and Shutter preferred modes and a dedicated EV compensation button, I > find to be easier. > > While their low light performance is unmatched, the F10/30 aren't quiet > as smart in direct sunlight as many of their peers. If the sun's out, > mine are by default set at -2/3 EV. Same thing if there is fair contrast > range and something(s) bright that I want to hold. When I was using the > F10 (now Carol's camera) a lot, I often set it on Spot metering and > would set exposure by moving the frame around until the LCD was where I > wanted it, half press, compose and shoot. > > With this image, it seems to me that the composite exposure has under > compensated for background/subject differences and overexposed the > crocuses. That means less tonal 'texture' in the whites and the loss of > detail in the stamens. > > For me, it should look something more like this. > > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 20:21:34 2009 Received: (qmail 8417 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 19:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 19:21:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44801E182EF for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8F0E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E62319ECB7 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:21:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BA619EC2B for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:21:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090312192123.XULL5856.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:21:23 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:21:22 -0400 References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg><6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 20:21:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b960be254281585427447 Lovely color, captures and ladies. 1866 & 1949 cause me to pixelate . . . and I'm booking a flight to Hong Kong for next year! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 12, 2009, at 1:35 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, > all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm > > It is hard to beat the 180/2.8 for such event, it is very sharp even > wide > open and it did very well in isolate the background too. But the DOF > is really really shallow. > > Actual pixel cropped from IMG_1973 (on a 21MP body). > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_1973c.JPG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 20:24:42 2009 Received: (qmail 22671 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 19:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 19:24:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07ACE182EF for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CBAE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9CA34AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:24:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B9234AC026 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:24:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090312192435.XAAD12334.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:24:35 +0000 Message-Id: <60E57D7F-E064-482F-A43C-0CD9CB2101BD@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:24:33 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Camedia Card Reader X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 20:24:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9617a120921234514069 Mine just isn't recognizing it. I'm familiar with the no name device. I've got a couple of flash drives I insert from time to time and they always come up no name with all files intact. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Michael Collins wrote: > As I expected, it was recognised, > and the Finder showed it as a volume 'NO NAME' (and incidentally no > directories/folders). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 20:40:06 2009 Received: (qmail 25481 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 19:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 19:40:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E46E182EE for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A9BE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794DB34AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:40:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0EE34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:40:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090312194000.ZFVY12725.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:40:00 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id SKfz1b00H4Z9Gks02Kfzfu; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:39:59 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ndfH0xT89H7e0sekYjkA:9 a=H7O5dVFEfhLpTerVN_1CdqAj1MwA:4 a=gJcimI5xSWUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <0ECBC815DF58451ABDFECBA5F3268738@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg><6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au><398CBD02-914A-4B6C-AEF0-F01CBB21C6AC@roadrunner.com><11D85DFC32B646EDADF192B861919EDF@SueHome> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:39:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 20:40:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b96516173941470116606 > If so, there's no chance that my wife will let me get a new camera. > -- But if it works, then who cares? Just get it. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 20:55:08 2009 Received: (qmail 19526 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 19:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 19:55:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3F8E1831F for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444A6E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3418119EE67 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:55:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6F019EE34 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:55:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Lhqzf-00044X-7K for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:55:03 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.5]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Lhqze-0001aP-Nr for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:55:02 +0000 Message-ID: <49B968A9.7060506@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:55:21 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] E-620 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 20:55:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9689c100681585427447 DeepPeeReview has a samples gallery up for the E-620, if anyone has missed it so far. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 21:26:30 2009 Received: (qmail 22295 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 20:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 20:26:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E87E182EE for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5CAE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B2434AC028 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:26:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E2F34AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19964 invoked by uid 504); 12 Mar 2009 20:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 Mar 2009 20:26:16 -0000 Message-ID: <49B96FE7.70102@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:26:15 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0903120724t57dd3c4ete216849cd53de739@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0903120758i7b866c97j1abb09ceca8edf8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 21:26:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b96ff563557927319144 Sheesh! Get a flash meter and use an OM-G in manual mode. Just a fraction of the cost of a 3Ti and perfect flash exposure including the ambient with no chimping required. :-) Dr. Flash Ken Norton wrote: >> OK, but it doesn't take an OM-3Ti and T45 to do that. The beauty of it is >> the constant aperture setting, yes? On the OM-2S, a + or - exp comp >> changes the aperture, doesn't it? > > Well, yes and no. The exposure compensation dial is really only adjusting > the ISO setting. When you are in full-auto mode with the 2S or 4T, if you > are starting at ISO 400 and adjust the exposure compensation dial to +1.0, > you've actually turned the internal ISO selector to ISO 200. That's why, on > the OM bodies, the rings are co-located. > > The TTL flash works in TTL mode only in Auto on the 2S and 4(Ti). As such, > if you dial in -2/3 exposure compensation it is not only "dimming" the flash > by 2/3 a stop, but it is also altering the entire exposure accordingly--ie., > the ambient exposure. This is why you cannot effectively adjust fill-factors > with the OM system. > > To the best of my knowledge, neither the OM-2(md,n,s) or OM-4(T,Ti) will > operate the flash in TTL while in manual-exposure mode. The OM-3Ti allows > me to dial in a fixed shutter speed up to 1/60 second and any aperture. If I > want to keep my flash from blasting the snot out of someone's face, I can > use exposure compensation to weaken the flash, but my ambient exposure > remains fixed. > > That said,... > > I did extensive testing with the OM-2S/T45 and this camera seems to work > better than the OM-4T in the following scenario--not that the 4T is a dog, > but the 2S seems to have a slightly different set of rules in the > algorithm: When shooting in Auto exposure mode with TTL flash, you adjust > the aperture till the indicated shutter speed is no faster than 1/60. Any > faster and the flash will not fire. The 2S forces the shutter speed DURING > exposure to 1/60, but the scale will show the required exposure for the > ambient lighting. As a general rule of thumb, I always try to keep the > scale showing between 1/8 and 1/30. At 1/15, this puts the ambient exposure > two stops down which seems to be about the perfect ratio for me. > Unfortunately, this means that I cannot use the TTL flash-control for > fill-flash as the ambient exposure is showing at 1/60 or faster and the > flash will fail to fire. I honestly haven't spent enough time with the 4T > in this scenario to determine exactly how, in predictable terms, how it > works in comparison to the OM-2S but it seems to fire the flash if the > ambient exposure is showing 1/60 whereas tthe OM-2S doesn't. > > So, for outdoor fill flash where my background is notably brighter than the > foreground, it is not possible to use TTL flash as the flash will not fire. > But that's where the OM-3Ti is different. The OM-3Ti will fire the flash no > matter what. So, I can go ahead and adjust my aperture (shutter speed is > generally fixed) for the background, placing it high-key and using the TTL > flash to fill the faces. However, to keep from getting that over-flash > look, I would adjust the exposure-compensation dial down, say -2/3 to fill > the shadows but not get the flat look. > > >> It would take balls if you were shooting on transparency film! > > I'm not that much of a man. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 21:39:46 2009 Received: (qmail 23230 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 20:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 20:39:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06455E18303 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128F8E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BDA34AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:39:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D34A34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:39:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28575 invoked by uid 504); 12 Mar 2009 20:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Setting up photo storage on 2+ hard drives X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 21:39:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b97312315057350615338 Just fire up two copies of whatever is doing the copying with each going to a different destination. However, if you do that you may well create a read access bottleneck to the source drive. That might be alleviated somewhat with a largish cache assuming the two software copies are relatively synchronized in the files they're accessing such that the data is still in the cache. But it could be a bit troublesome if the source drive is also your main drive and has other activity going on. I think I'd just do a sequential operation by copying from X to Y and then from Y to Z. It will probably take more elapsed time but you wouldn't bottleneck X and as long as Y and Z aren't in the critical time path for other apps you shouldn't care. Try it both ways and see which wins and which causes the least interference to other goings on. Chuck Norcutt Mike Lazzari wrote: > I am trying to figure out the best and easiest way to back up my photos. > I just picked up a 1tb HD and have it in an eSATA remote enclosure. When > it's powered up it looks just like any other HD on the system. So far > I've just been copying the files from one of the internal drives to it > every once in a while. I also have another remote drive that I use for > regular backups. (6 total drives) What I'd like to do is to > automatically copy the photo files to two drives at the same time in a > way that doesn't compromise the archived files. Maybe some type of RAID > array? However I have no experience setting up a RAID array but > understand that there are safe options. A RAID set up would require > another HD purchase as the 250gb drives are nearly full. See Newegg sale > below. > > So maybe there is a software solution? I'm using Acronis v9 but I don't > see an option for making double copies. > > So what do you all do? Recommend? Using XP home edition. (Yes, I realize > a Mac will do this while also making coffee and washing dishes) > > Mike > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 21:45:54 2009 Received: (qmail 15926 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 20:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 20:45:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3BFE182E7 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D32FE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290F619EF73 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:45:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0024119EF71 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:45:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22103 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 20:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.131.217) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 20:45:39 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg><6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> Message-Id: <7016C102-40B0-460C-A7E4-B965C98B21CB@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:45:40 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 21:45:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b97482301901702588592 Actually '10' would be appropriate as an allusion to that movie. Nice girl but an absolute airhead. That's why the 'lost and wistful' look works best for her. She wasn't an easy shoot. She has a number of 'flaws' which I had to work at overcoming - fat thighs for instance! And a rather odd nose (see #4) which is why #7 is a good shot. Great eyes and tummy though and I always like good high contrast eyes, a particular weakness of mine. I was surprised how well a shiny black paper backdrop worked with a suntan as well. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 13/03/2009, at 4:07 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > Am I alone in finding the Subject line of this thread in need of > amendment? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 21:49:56 2009 Received: (qmail 29204 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 20:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 20:49:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36994E18312 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3524DE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DDB34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:49:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1D234AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:49:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2405 invoked by uid 504); 12 Mar 2009 20:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 21:49:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b97574113201744846740 We sure don't have any flower shows like that around here. If I had asked for a full pixel sample of a face it would have been the one you picked. Lovely. The photography ain't bad either. Must be them 21MP cameras, eh? :-) Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, > all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm > > It is hard to beat the 180/2.8 for such event, it is very sharp even wide > open and it did very well in isolate the background too. But the DOF > is really really shallow. > > Actual pixel cropped from IMG_1973 (on a 21MP body). > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_1973c.JPG > > > Enjoy! > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 22:00:39 2009 Received: (qmail 27936 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 21:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 21:00:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B421CE182F3 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71DEE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FD419EFC2 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:00:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0301819EFC1 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:00:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30437 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 21:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.131.217) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 21:00:27 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:00:29 +1100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 22:00:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b977f717371529615919 Indeed, though I'd add 1918. There's a background? :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 13/03/2009, at 4:54 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Those are very hard to choose among. I think there is something > special about the model in 1949. 1866 is a great portrait, and 1891 > has a nice blending with the background. 100% enjoyable, nothing not > to like! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 22:05:57 2009 Received: (qmail 17419 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 21:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 21:05:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E85EE182EC for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2BCE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA4E34AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478FE34AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:05:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so2386837fxm.14 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:05:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.212 with SMTP id n20mr118094bkq.138.1236891947914; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:05:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B96FE7.70102@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9e908c1f0903120724t57dd3c4ete216849cd53de739@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0903120758i7b866c97j1abb09ceca8edf8@mail.gmail.com> <49B96FE7.70102@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:05:47 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 58f77bd5e93b2c12 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 22:05:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b97935270538512572685 > > Sheesh! Get a flash meter and use an OM-G in manual mode. Just a > fraction of the cost of a 3Ti and perfect flash exposure including the > ambient with no chimping required. :-) > LOL, I've been doing just that with the Vivitar 285HV on the E-1 for the past several years. I do like automation when it works, though. A friend of mine has an E-3 with both the FL50R as well as the Metz. I've been very amazed at how well that setup works. The flash exposures, specifically with the Metz, are not only dead-on, but look very natural. If I was feeling risky, I'd spend the $500 for the Metz and the $1700 for the E-3. But, nah, the Olympus Living History Farm is alive and well with killer legacy equipment. Funny thing--that 3Ti/MD2/T45/35-80 kit is still less expensive than a 5Dmk2 with dedicated flash and comparable zoom. So, I guess cost is relative. The "I agree with Dr. Flash" bumper stickers have arrived, though. There is no substitute for a flash-meter and manual settings when you MUST get it correct with no chimping. OTF-Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 22:15:42 2009 Received: (qmail 28185 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 21:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 21:15:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C48BE18304 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DB4E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92DC361800E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:15:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0C73618016 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:15:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17835 invoked by uid 504); 12 Mar 2009 21:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 12 is enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 22:15:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b97b7e169031993019900 Not you. The camera, silly. :-) Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: >> Yes, that D3X must be a really good camera. >> >> AG >> -- > So, AG, youre saying that if I get a D3x, women that look like that will > look at me like that? > > Bill Pearce > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 22:17:37 2009 Received: (qmail 377 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 21:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 21:17:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B99DE182E3 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C296E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2237C34AC02B for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:17:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C667534AC026 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SHMl1b0080x6nqcA3MHYZd; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:17:32 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SMHX1b00k2Axmu48YMHYlc; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:17:32 +0000 Message-ID: <23A701CCAD96405384D05871BA1FC7CD@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com><13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols><49B861AF.1070807@chucknorcutt.com><235DE496F4E747AB8BE28BD15D36736E@PaulPC> <88569AD2-EE8A-45BB-A4D9-22A86A14137E@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <88569AD2-EE8A-45BB-A4D9-22A86A14137E@threeshoes.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:17:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 22:17:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b97bf137603675314703 They had a very distinctive sound. Changed some depending on how well the elight engineer had them synced. They had a certain rumbling sound. I just ran through the "Strategic Air Command" movie, and I believe that sound is from the movie sound track right at the beginning of the movie. Most of the sounds in the movie are messed up with music. When a B-36 flew over at lower altitude the house would shake and the windows rattle. As they used to say, "Six turning and four burning". It was quite common for an aircraft to return with one or two engines feathered. We took the wing to England in, I believe, '56. Involved three bases. The bunch I was with went to Burtonwood. Another went to Upper Heyford, and I can't remember where the third went. I do remember that one of the aircraft landed on the wrong field, a closed one as I remember, and they had to strip all the weight off that they could, pump the fuel down to virtually slosh fuel. They just barely made the take off and then landed at Upper Heyford. Indidentally, there are some B-47 sounds in "Strategic Air Command", also. I ordered a DVD yesterday, that contains three B-58 videos. I hope there are some good sounds there. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > Hmm, Paul. That doesn't sound like a multi-engined aircraft at all. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 22:38:51 2009 Received: (qmail 23316 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 21:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 21:38:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6F5E18315 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE51DE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D2334AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:38:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F4C34AC027 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:38:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.237]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n2CLchgd017981 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:38:43 +1100 Message-Id: <200903122138.n2CLchgd017981@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:38:43 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:38:43 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 22:38:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b980eb138281591313764 > Ken Norton <> wrote: > > > The TTL flash works in TTL mode only in Auto on the 2S and 4(Ti). As > such, > if you dial in -2/3 exposure compensation it is not only "dimming" the > flash > by 2/3 a stop, but it is also altering the entire exposure > accordingly--ie., > the ambient exposure. This is why you cannot effectively adjust > fill-factors > with the OM system. > On the OM-2S(P), OM-4(T(i)) the exposure compensation can't do anything with the ambient exposure in auto mode. Attaching the flash sets the shutter speed to 1/60 and the aperture is whatever you set on the lens. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 23:45:28 2009 Received: (qmail 14494 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 22:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 22:45:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4174CE182FF for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0653EE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F6519F124 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:45:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5562019F122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:45:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so744286fgb.36 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:45:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.77.5 with SMTP id z5mr347000fga.64.1236897918305; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:45:18 +0000 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] 35/2 in the dark X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 23:45:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9908841211342116753 I've been using the 35/2 on the canyon in some dark places recently. It's easier to use than the alternatives when you can hardly see: http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110075703 http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110138790 Tom -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Mar 12 23:46:38 2009 Received: (qmail 12640 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 22:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 22:46:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8526DE18310 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449D6E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3714E34AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:46:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7210E34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:46:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:46:32 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2CMkSPI006453 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:46:30 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com><13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols><49B861AF.1070807@chucknorcutt.com><235DE496F4E747AB8BE28BD15D36736E@PaulPC><88569AD2-EE8A-45BB-A4D9-22A86A14137E@threeshoes.net> <23A701CCAD96405384D05871BA1FC7CD@PaulPC> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:46:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Mar 12 23:46:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b990ce86611023412894 Paul, I often wondered if the pusher props contributed to the remarkable sound of the 36. You are right, it sounded like a rumble or even a growl. It really surprised me the first time I heard one over Dayton, around 1951 or 52. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > They had a very distinctive sound. Changed some depending on how well the > elight engineer had them synced. They had a certain rumbling sound. I > just ran through the "Strategic Air Command" movie, and I believe that > sound > is from the movie sound track right at the beginning of the movie. Most > of > the sounds in the movie are messed up with music. When a B-36 flew over > at > lower altitude the house would shake and the windows rattle. As they used > to say, "Six turning and four burning". It was quite common for an > aircraft > to return with one or two engines feathered. We took the wing to England > in, I believe, '56. Involved three bases. The bunch I was with went to > Burtonwood. Another went to Upper Heyford, and I can't remember where the > third went. I do remember that one of the aircraft landed on the wrong > field, a closed one as I remember, and they had to strip all the weight > off > that they could, pump the fuel down to virtually slosh fuel. They just > barely made the take off and then landed at Upper Heyford. Indidentally, > there are some B-47 sounds in "Strategic Air Command", also. I ordered a > DVD yesterday, that contains three B-58 videos. I hope there are some > good > sounds there. > Paul in Portland OR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Barker" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website > > >> Hmm, Paul. That doesn't sound like a multi-engined aircraft at all. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 00:20:00 2009 Received: (qmail 29857 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2009 23:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 23:19:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CDFE18317 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E70EE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E10419EF90 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:19:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0E519F16A for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:19:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.248]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so47100rvb.50 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:19:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.107.13 with SMTP id j13mr233601rvm.251.1236899992980; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:19:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:19:52 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 52621bf3359ae858 Message-ID: <60f983080903121619x2d1d9717odf27018362f5277f@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 00:20:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b998a070331342116753 Lovely color. --- Michael 2009/3/13 C.H.Ling > Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, > all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm > > It is hard to beat the 180/2.8 for such event, it is very sharp even wide > open and it did very well in isolate the background too. But the DOF > is really really shallow. > > Actual pixel cropped from IMG_1973 (on a 21MP body). > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_1973c.JPG > > > Enjoy! > C.H.Ling > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 01:08:45 2009 Received: (qmail 13344 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 00:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 00:08:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9818E182F2 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD773E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD3134AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:08:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F40C34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:08:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.cc1.4fad2a08 (37564) for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB041-5c4849b9a3f9f4; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:08:35 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MZ39 (webmail-mz39.sim.aol.com [64.12.80.102]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA016-5c4849b9a3f9f4; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:08:25 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:08:24 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41757-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-MZ39.sysops.aol.com (64.12.80.102) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:08:24 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB7186F66EFEC2-7D8-4E70@WEBMAIL-MZ39.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 01:08:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9a40d157134673671140 Hmm, I don't remember what happens with a spot meter on a 4T then recompose. If spot meter is under 1/60th will the flash fire? I hope I am not expelled. The synch speed on the 3Ti is still 1/60th, so yes the flash will fire at greater speeds but will the uneven illumination of the frame ruin the shot? I think one way to modulate the flash/ambient ratio on a 4T in TTL mode ala John Lind does work---for bright fill. I think he lied to the cam on the ISO ot inc the ISO then used the compensation to inc the flash the same amount. As the shutter speed is fixed the cam must use the flash. Manual and a meter or auto sound easier. Mike So, for outdoor fill flash where my background is notably brighter than the > foreground, it is not possible to use TTL flash as the flash will not fire. > But that's where the OM-3Ti is different. The OM-3Ti will fire the flash no > matter what. So, I can go ahead and adjust my aperture (shutter speed is > generally fixed) for the background, placing it high-key and using the TTL > flash to fill the faces. However, to keep from getting that over-flash > look, I would adjust the exposure-compensation dial down, say -2/3 to fill > the shadows but not get the flat look. > > >> It would take balls if you were shooting on transparency film! > > I'm not that much of a man. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 01:31:02 2009 Received: (qmail 12481 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 00:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 00:31:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C332E182E2 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA80E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17E319F4EC for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:30:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD3019F4D9 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:30:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip7.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.124]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090313003055.EAZH1809.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip7.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:30:55 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArwBAEdFuUlMRzJQ/2dsb2JhbAAI0GyDfgY Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279734352.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.50.80]) by toip7.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2009 20:31:47 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:30:54 -0500 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Cold-weather shooting and WWMRD Thread-Index: AcmjcvgNNl3eJA9mEd6ICQAX8gK7wA== Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Cold-weather shooting and WWMRD X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 01:31:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9a946317721234514069 Some time recently there was discussion about keeping hands warm and functional during cold-weather shooting, and inevitably the discussion included WWMRD. I walked down to the Luminous Landscape Gallery this evening for the opening of Michael's "Surprise and Delight" exhibition. A good opportunity for schmoozing with Michael and Teya and a crowd in which I don't really belong, and enjoying his wine and hors d'oeuvres. And asking the question. Well, no excitement in the answer. An old and well-worn pair of leather gloves, taken off to shoot, and a bit of suffering "for the sake of art" :-) . Just thought you'd like to know. Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 01:50:37 2009 Received: (qmail 6897 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 00:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 00:50:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D003E18317 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D79E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAEA19F5BD for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:50:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6925719F5B1 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:50:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so2545517bwz.14 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.101.71 with SMTP id b7mr181529bko.156.1236905430075; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CB7186F66EFEC2-7D8-4E70@WEBMAIL-MZ39.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7186F66EFEC2-7D8-4E70@WEBMAIL-MZ39.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:50:29 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d90f4a14c5b3602c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 01:50:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9addd100081744846740 Well, first outing with the T45 completed. I realized after the first picture that I couldn't use it like I had planned. A darkened theater and a T45 going full bore. Yah, it got attention. Too much attention. So I restricted myself to the flash pictures between songs. I did shoot some ambient shots, using the spot meter though. I'll have the roll of Gold 200 processed tomorrow. What a piece of cake that camera/flash combination is, though. It's a nice setup and works great in a darkened environment where you can't see a single control. AG (The spots fade, don't they?) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 01:53:26 2009 Received: (qmail 32213 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 00:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 00:53:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05A2E18303 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988F4E24128 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DACF3618016 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:53:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A663534AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:53:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26064 invoked by uid 504); 13 Mar 2009 00:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 Mar 2009 00:53:14 -0000 Message-ID: <49B9AE79.4030806@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:53:13 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0903120724t57dd3c4ete216849cd53de739@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0903120758i7b866c97j1abb09ceca8edf8@mail.gmail.com> <49B96FE7.70102@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 01:53:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9ae86125662046811720 Here's a report on Canyon, Nykon, Metz and Quantum flashes which are ranked in that order from worst to best. For the money, the Metz is the one to beat... that is if you're a TTL fan. Dr. (manual) Flash and his friend Gitta Meter. Ken Norton wrote: >> Sheesh! Get a flash meter and use an OM-G in manual mode. Just a >> fraction of the cost of a 3Ti and perfect flash exposure including the >> ambient with no chimping required. :-) >> > > > LOL, I've been doing just that with the Vivitar 285HV on the E-1 for the > past several years. I do like automation when it works, though. > > A friend of mine has an E-3 with both the FL50R as well as the Metz. I've > been very amazed at how well that setup works. The flash exposures, > specifically with the Metz, are not only dead-on, but look very natural. If > I was feeling risky, I'd spend the $500 for the Metz and the $1700 for the > E-3. > > But, nah, the Olympus Living History Farm is alive and well with killer > legacy equipment. Funny thing--that 3Ti/MD2/T45/35-80 kit is still less > expensive than a 5Dmk2 with dedicated flash and comparable zoom. So, I > guess cost is relative. > > The "I agree with Dr. Flash" bumper stickers have arrived, though. There is > no substitute for a flash-meter and manual settings when you MUST get it > correct with no chimping. > > OTF-Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 01:54:12 2009 Received: (qmail 20432 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 00:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 00:54:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8ABE1830C for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83957E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A44419F5D1 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:54:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A042C19F1F8 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:54:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so2546787bwz.14 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:54:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.68.130 with SMTP id v2mr184444bki.125.1236905645369; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:54:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:54:05 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b609a09956a1fd20 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Cold-weather shooting and WWMRD X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 01:54:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9aeb4259102046811720 LOL, I had to think for a minute about WWMRD. Early in my career, I would ask WWAAD? Thanks for the report. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 02:05:20 2009 Received: (qmail 3175 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 01:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 01:05:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDC4E182E3 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E1DE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED1719F63E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:05:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1AE19F5D7 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:05:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31170 invoked by uid 504); 13 Mar 2009 01:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 Mar 2009 01:05:13 -0000 Message-ID: <49B9B148.20902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:05:12 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB7186F66EFEC2-7D8-4E70@WEBMAIL-MZ39.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB7186F66EFEC2-7D8-4E70@WEBMAIL-MZ39.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 02:05:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9b150248778512572685 Yes, I have it on good authority that Oly engineers called a northern California consultant code named "Moose" when working on the flash system. They asked "Moose" if he used flash very much. He said: "Nah, I don't like flash very much and don't use it." Then they asked him if he'd ever heard of "dragging the shutter". He said: "Dragging the shutter????" They then said to themselves: "How are we going to find out what that means. Moose doesn't know." They also talked to another consultant code named "Nathan" who gave them pretty much the same story. So, wanting to get the product out in less than 7 years they decided not to investigate flash system usage any further. The engineers decided the OTF exposure control was cool and the camera could prevent the photographer from making mistakes by taking control of the shutter. What else could anyone want? Dr. Flash usher99@aol.com wrote: > Hmm, > I don't remember what happens with a spot meter on a 4T then recompose. > If spot meter is under 1/60th will the flash fire? > I hope I am not expelled. > > The synch speed on the 3Ti is still 1/60th, so yes the flash will fire > at greater speeds but will the uneven illumination of the frame ruin > the shot? > I think one way to modulate the flash/ambient ratio on a 4T in TTL mode > ala John Lind does work---for bright fill. I think he lied to the cam > on the ISO ot inc the ISO then used the compensation to inc the flash > the same amount. As the shutter speed is fixed the cam must use the > flash. > Manual and a meter or auto sound easier. > Mike > > > > So, for outdoor fill flash where my background is notably brighter > than the >> foreground, it is not possible to use TTL flash as the flash will not > fire. >> But that's where the OM-3Ti is different. The OM-3Ti will fire the > flash no >> matter what. So, I can go ahead and adjust my aperture (shutter speed > is >> generally fixed) for the background, placing it high-key and using > the TTL >> flash to fill the faces. However, to keep from getting that > over-flash >> look, I would adjust the exposure-compensation dial down, say -2/3 to > fill >> the shadows but not get the flat look. >> >> >>> It would take balls if you were shooting on transparency film! >> I'm not that much of a man. >> >> AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 02:08:28 2009 Received: (qmail 19718 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 01:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 01:08:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A872AE18318 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E276E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209F934AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:08:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5AF34AC01E for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:08:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32552 invoked by uid 504); 13 Mar 2009 01:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 Mar 2009 01:08:21 -0000 Message-ID: <49B9B205.7060200@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:08:21 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 35/2 in the dark X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 02:08:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9b20c285671946193717 Seems to work well. Using it on hyperfocal in the dark or can you actually focus it? Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > I've been using the 35/2 on the canyon in some dark places recently. It's > easier to use than the alternatives when you can hardly see: > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110075703 > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110138790 > > Tom -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 02:16:56 2009 Received: (qmail 11517 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 01:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 01:16:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA46E182E0 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1D7E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9958B34AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:16:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD5D34AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:16:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3805 invoked by uid 504); 13 Mar 2009 01:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090311-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Some interesting and colorful abstracts using oil and water X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 02:16:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9b408112177350615338 Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 03:40:38 2009 Received: (qmail 28835 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 02:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 02:40:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D89BE1831A for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E700E24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A74519F823 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:40:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948F119F81F for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:40:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090313024032.LAXV1731.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:40:32 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id SSgX1b00H4Z9Gks02SgXSu; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:40:31 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7xN3sb-CezYA:10 a=RKznaCIHA_4A:10 a=ROhvFNLOie91ErskRekA:9 a=d9idg7utH5AXxrc8cspmGakfYdYA:4 a=MxZ3bB5I4kYA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com><13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols><49B861AF.1070807@chucknorcutt.com><235DE496F4E747AB8BE28BD15D36736E@PaulPC><88569AD2-EE8A-45BB-A4D9-22A86A14137E@threeshoes.net><23A701CCAD96405384D05871BA1FC7CD@PaulPC> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:59:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 03:40:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9c7a650698512572685 > I often wondered if the pusher props contributed to the remarkable sound > of > the 36. I never heard a B36, although it had engines buried in the wing that were never intended to operate in that manner. We live in an area near tne Beech plant, and often planes fly overhead. the sound of the Beech Starship, a pusher, was quite distinctive. Quite different from a King Air, with similar engines and props. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 03:53:17 2009 Received: (qmail 837 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 02:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 02:53:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CFBE182FD for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F6DE24122 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E6C34AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:53:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549FF34AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:53:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:53:11 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n2D2r7uf007555 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:53:09 GMT Message-ID: <25EDCD8B744E4BE5BA08DD8C92884214@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6C5C7747E9B6400899FB3701283665FB@your9ya3hf92n3> <7ACE76A1-15AF-4061-A7E0-587D428AE932@threeshoes.net><506F8E1113B645ABB4EE3EFF99391F88@PaulPC> <49B7C54B.6010200@chucknorcutt.com><0751817CDFF248F48C265761AE0390F8@PaulPC> <49B813A8.6030808@chucknorcutt.com><13C6216355F54662870E8C4AD815AB69@jimnichols><49B861AF.1070807@chucknorcutt.com><235DE496F4E747AB8BE28BD15D36736E@PaulPC><88569AD2-EE8A-45BB-A4D9-22A86A14137E@threeshoes.net><23A701CCAD96405384D05871BA1FC7CD@PaulPC> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:53:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 03:53:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9ca9d86749347015869 Hi Bill, I don't recall hearing the Starship, though there were two at one time operating out of Nashville, and the last one was retired to the Beech Heritage Museum that started out as the Staggerwing Museum here at our local airport in Tullahoma. But, I think you are correct. The engines on the B36 were never intended to be buried in the wing in that manner. However, I believe I am correct in saying that the C124 Globemaster used four of the same engines, in tractor configuration in normal nacelles, and it had a very similar sound, so the sound may be peculiar to those engines and props. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website >> I often wondered if the pusher props contributed to the remarkable sound >> of >> the 36. > > I never heard a B36, although it had engines buried in the wing that were > never intended to operate in that manner. We live in an area near tne > Beech > plant, and often planes fly overhead. the sound of the Beech Starship, a > pusher, was quite distinctive. Quite different from a King Air, with > similar > engines and props. > > Bill Pearce > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 04:21:08 2009 Received: (qmail 1330 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 03:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 03:21:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4858E182F1 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C364DE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE2419F859 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:21:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8BD19F858 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:21:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.cb7.4b94aa65 (37031) for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB021-5bbe49b9d115394; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:20:59 -0400 Received: from FWM-D17 (fwm-d17.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.209]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA035-5bbe49b9d115394; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:20:53 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:20:53 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41757-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.209) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:20:53 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB71A1D9C333C9-C8C-807@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 04:21:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9d12413101234514069 I wasn't very clear in my question. I learned to drag the shutter more often many moons ago from Dr. Flash. Use TTL flash for macro and when auto aperture choices for the flash I have at the time is not suitable. I don't think I have ever tried to fire a flash on a 4T spot metering (or perhaps I should be thinking about the AE lock), reframing so that the speed would exceed 1/60th and see if the flash fires. It fires, no?? Yes, dragging the shutter and retaining TTL use for the 3Ti does result in 3Ti envy. I only wish it did TTL macro fill as I don't mind the alternatives so much for other situations. I think it was just a generation shy of that feature. An occasional look see on FM macro reveals that Canyon Ettl-2 fouls up macro fill a fair amount. So, WWJSD? He used iTTL, but I don't like that answer. WWMD? He'd come back when the light was right or fix it in post. Mike Yes, I have it on good authority that Oly engineers called a northern California consultant code named "Moose" when working on the flash system. They asked "Moose" if he used flash very much. He said: "Nah, I don't like flash very much and don't use it." Then they asked him if he'd ever heard of "dragging the shutter". He said: "Dragging the shutter????" They then said to themselves: "How are we going to find out what that means. Moose doesn't know." They also talked to another consultant code named "Nathan" who gave them pretty much the same story. So, wanting to get the product out in less than 7 years they decided not to investigate flash system usage any further. The engineers decided the OTF exposure control was cool and the camera could prevent the photographer from making mistakes by taking control of the shutter. What else could anyone want? Dr. Flash -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 05:12:27 2009 Received: (qmail 20445 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 04:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 04:12:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92952E1830A for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9076EE24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798E819F8E3 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:12:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AA319F8D6 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:12:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-174.ctimail.com [61.93.57.174]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2D4CGTn024343 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:12:16 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n2D4CFtv023238 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:12:15 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg><6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:12:02 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 05:12:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9dd2b177418512572685 Thanks Joel, Jim, Bob, Chuck, Andrew, Michael's and all for watching and the comments. 5D II is good but no matter how good it is just a electronics device, I enjoy OM much more, the camera and lenses just like precision equipment. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: >> Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, >> all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm >> >> It is hard to beat the 180/2.8 for such event, it is very sharp even wide >> open and it did very well in isolate the background too. But the DOF >> is really really shallow. >> >> Actual pixel cropped from IMG_1973 (on a 21MP body). >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_1973c.JPG > > Those are very hard to choose among. I think there is something > special about the model in 1949. 1866 is a great portrait, and 1891 > has a nice blending with the background. 100% enjoyable, nothing not > to like! > > You also apparently have a really good camera. ;^) > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 05:40:31 2009 Received: (qmail 16061 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 04:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 04:40:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7C5E18305 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969E7E24127 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8307334AC025 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:40:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD0D34AC024 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:40:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80862314064 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E248314062 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49B9E3B7.6030404@interisland.net> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:40:23 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090312-0, 03/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Mammoth E-30 Product Review - Zone-10 Website X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 05:40:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49b9e3bf56702070262475 > > That's the sound of freedom. Right. If you believe what the billboard says at the entrance to the base. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 09:01:55 2009 Received: (qmail 31615 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 08:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 08:01:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE5AE182F9 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168DBE24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F234A34AC027 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:01:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A36134AC01E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:01:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.250]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so239779rvb.50 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:01:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.20.6 with SMTP id x6mr472063rvi.159.1236931304901; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:01:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> References: <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com> <05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:01:44 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6a4de5d3edd04c73 Message-ID: <60f983080903130101y769b999r6a5a7f8869d26a65@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 09:01:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba12f3132174673671140 CH., Is there the resolution of OM old lens fulfill such as high pixel camera as 21 million pixel? I'm considering to join micro 4/3 with my Leica & CV lens :p --- Michael 2009/3/13 C.H.Ling > Thanks Joel, Jim, Bob, Chuck, Andrew, Michael's and all for watching and > the > comments. > > 5D II is good but no matter how good it is just a electronics device, I > enjoy OM much more, the camera and lenses just like precision equipment. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Wilcox" > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM, C.H.Ling > wrote: > >> Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, > >> all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. > >> > >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm > >> > >> It is hard to beat the 180/2.8 for such event, it is very sharp even > wide > >> open and it did very well in isolate the background too. But the DOF > >> is really really shallow. > >> > >> Actual pixel cropped from IMG_1973 (on a 21MP body). > >> > >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_1973c.JPG > > > > Those are very hard to choose among. I think there is something > > special about the model in 1949. 1866 is a great portrait, and 1891 > > has a nice blending with the background. 100% enjoyable, nothing not > > to like! > > > > You also apparently have a really good camera. ;^) > > > > Joel W. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 09:32:09 2009 Received: (qmail 22197 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 08:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 08:32:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AFDE182F7 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE269E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D61319DD5F for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:32:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D45B19DD6D for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:32:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n2D8Vwjb008742 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:31:58 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <40594D5FDFC44D879571D53694D798E7@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au><9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com><05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> <60f983080903130101y769b999r6a5a7f8869d26a65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:31:54 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 09:32:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba1a08186611035110158 In my experience some of the OM lenses do very well under 21MP body such as the 16/3.5, 21/2, 24/2, 28-48 at 28mm, 40/2, 50/1.4, 85/2, 90/2, 100/2. It is just some examples, does not mean the other not listed are bad as I didn't test them all with the FF body. Actually, you don't need a lens that can resolve over 21MP to use the high pixel body. I believe the Leica and CV lenses will do very well on the micro 4/3 but at 2x crop factor it is no fun. On the other hand I'm waiting for the Pen F to micro 4/3 adapter, the tiny Pen lenses will sure look great on the Olympus micro 4/3. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wong" > CH., > Is there the resolution of OM old lens fulfill such as high pixel camera > as > 21 million pixel? I'm considering to join micro 4/3 with my Leica & CV > lens > :p > > > --- > Michael > > > > > 2009/3/13 C.H.Ling > >> Thanks Joel, Jim, Bob, Chuck, Andrew, Michael's and all for watching and >> the >> comments. >> >> 5D II is good but no matter how good it is just a electronics device, I >> enjoy OM much more, the camera and lenses just like precision equipment. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joel Wilcox" >> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM, C.H.Ling >> wrote: >> >> Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, >> >> all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. >> >> >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm >> >> >> >> It is hard to beat the 180/2.8 for such event, it is very sharp even >> wide >> >> open and it did very well in isolate the background too. But the DOF >> >> is really really shallow. >> >> >> >> Actual pixel cropped from IMG_1973 (on a 21MP body). >> >> >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_1973c.JPG >> > >> > Those are very hard to choose among. I think there is something >> > special about the model in 1949. 1866 is a great portrait, and 1891 >> > has a nice blending with the background. 100% enjoyable, nothing not >> > to like! >> > >> > You also apparently have a really good camera. ;^) >> > >> > Joel W. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 09:41:39 2009 Received: (qmail 3717 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 08:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 08:41:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654D0E18312 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05238E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E527B34AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:41:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678EC34AC01E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:41:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mailservice.tudelft.nl (mailservice.tudelft.nl [130.161.131.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rav.antivirus (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D0B22EE86 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:41:32 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at tudelft.nl Received: from mailservice.tudelft.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tudelft.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id bCSkwI728mKA for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:41:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp-a.tudelft.nl (smtp-a.tudelft.nl [130.161.129.18]) by mx1.tudelft.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E3B22EEB2 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:41:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.21.3.87] (x105079.bk-m.tudelft.nl [145.94.105.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-a.tudelft.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71530B3A62 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:41:23 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <40594D5FDFC44D879571D53694D798E7@main> References: <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au><9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com><05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> <60f983080903130101y769b999r6a5a7f8869d26a65@mail.gmail.com> <40594D5FDFC44D879571D53694D798E7@main> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: From: Iwert Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:41:22 +0100 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 09:41:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba1c43115869347015869 Oh yes, The M4/3 with a pen 42f1.2 would be nice :) Iwert Op 13-mrt-09, om 09:31 heeft C.H.Ling het volgende geschreven: > In my experience some of the OM lenses do very well under 21MP body > such as > the 16/3.5, 21/2, 24/2, 28-48 at 28mm, 40/2, 50/1.4, 85/2, 90/2, > 100/2. It > is just some examples, does not mean the other not listed are bad as I > didn't test them all with the FF body. > > Actually, you don't need a lens that can resolve over 21MP to use > the high > pixel body. I believe the Leica and CV lenses will do very well on > the micro > 4/3 but at 2x crop factor it is no fun. On the other hand I'm > waiting for > the Pen F to micro 4/3 adapter, the tiny Pen lenses will sure look > great on > the Olympus micro 4/3. > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 10:03:43 2009 Received: (qmail 16875 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 09:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 09:03:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B4FE182EC for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB53EE24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D9F34AC025 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:03:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E83634AC01E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:03:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.244]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so263154rvb.50 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:03:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.189.5 with SMTP id r5mr485583rvp.276.1236935013228; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:03:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <40594D5FDFC44D879571D53694D798E7@main> References: <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com> <05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> <60f983080903130101y769b999r6a5a7f8869d26a65@mail.gmail.com> <40594D5FDFC44D879571D53694D798E7@main> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:03:33 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e3cb841ec76afde3 Message-ID: <60f983080903130203jf15161fg5e2719b5f2a8c61b@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 10:03:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba216f277774673671140 I understood that 2X is not funny & I am going to call a CV 12/5.6 if I join M4/3 field as 24mm of equivalent 135mm format. The new 7-14/4 for M4/3 is ideal lens to fulfill my system but it is so pity that cannot be mounted on my Leica system for film shots. The most important there is no tele-focal length range lens for my Leica system. 2X of M4/3 system is good to make up the weakness of my Leica system. The new M4/3 system draws my interest as its compact size, and I may put my Leica & CV lenses on it. All in light weight & compact. I don't want to put DSLR anymore again. --- Michael 2009/3/13 C.H.Ling > In my experience some of the OM lenses do very well under 21MP body such as > the 16/3.5, 21/2, 24/2, 28-48 at 28mm, 40/2, 50/1.4, 85/2, 90/2, 100/2. It > is just some examples, does not mean the other not listed are bad as I > didn't test them all with the FF body. > > Actually, you don't need a lens that can resolve over 21MP to use the high > pixel body. I believe the Leica and CV lenses will do very well on the > micro > 4/3 but at 2x crop factor it is no fun. On the other hand I'm waiting for > the Pen F to micro 4/3 adapter, the tiny Pen lenses will sure look great on > the Olympus micro 4/3. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Wong" > > > CH., > > Is there the resolution of OM old lens fulfill such as high pixel camera > > as > > 21 million pixel? I'm considering to join micro 4/3 with my Leica & CV > > lens > > :p > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > 2009/3/13 C.H.Ling > > > >> Thanks Joel, Jim, Bob, Chuck, Andrew, Michael's and all for watching and > >> the > >> comments. > >> > >> 5D II is good but no matter how good it is just a electronics device, I > >> enjoy OM much more, the camera and lenses just like precision equipment. > >> > >> C.H.Ling > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Joel Wilcox" > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM, C.H.Ling > >> wrote: > >> >> Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, > >> >> all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. > >> >> > >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm > >> >> > >> >> It is hard to beat the 180/2.8 for such event, it is very sharp even > >> wide > >> >> open and it did very well in isolate the background too. But the DOF > >> >> is really really shallow. > >> >> > >> >> Actual pixel cropped from IMG_1973 (on a 21MP body). > >> >> > >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_1973c.JPG > >> > > >> > Those are very hard to choose among. I think there is something > >> > special about the model in 1949. 1866 is a great portrait, and 1891 > >> > has a nice blending with the background. 100% enjoyable, nothing not > >> > to like! > >> > > >> > You also apparently have a really good camera. ;^) > >> > > >> > Joel W. > >> > >> -- > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >> > >> > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 10:11:20 2009 Received: (qmail 5151 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 09:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 09:11:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993DDE182EC for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A33E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECE834AC027 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:11:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8538734AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.147]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 13so374099eye.26 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.16.208 with SMTP id h58mr441923weh.60.1236935473429; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.42.6.155? ([82.132.136.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d2sm2846591nfc.51.2009.03.13.02.11.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <795719DF-BDBB-42EB-AB3B-E28540EF0B4C@gmail.com> From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49B9B205.7060200@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5G77) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5G77) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:10:55 +0000 References: <49B9B205.7060200@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] 35/2 in the dark X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 10:11:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba2338171911993019900 With the S screen it's surprisingly focussable at f2, but guess and scale is good, and zoomed liveview is awesome when there's time to check... Tom On 13 Mar 2009, at 01:08, Chuck wrote: > Seems to work well. Using it on hyperfocal in the dark or can you > actually focus it? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > Tom Fenwick wrote: >> I've been using the 35/2 on the canyon in some dark places >> recently. It's >> easier to use than the alternatives when you can hardly see: >> >> http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110075703 >> http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110138790 >> >> Tom > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 10:16:49 2009 Received: (qmail 8004 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 09:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 09:16:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FE7E18314 for ; 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Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:16:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg> <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:16:42 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 386c674dc5e91f77 Message-ID: <9f07ac840903130216o4f37c3fcs309b5183feb92358@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 10:16:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba2481269774673671140 Looking for recommendations for screenwipes to get slobber off my LCD... :-) On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:35 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, > all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 10:52:39 2009 Received: (qmail 31432 invoked by uid 0); 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(moose@71.139.168.35) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Mar 2009 09:52:32 -0000 Message-ID: <49BA2CD9.4030203@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:52:25 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] 35/2 in the dark X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 10:52:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba2ce7120991869477228 Tom Fenwick wrote: > I've been using the 35/2 on the canyon in some dark places recently. It's > easier to use than the alternatives when you can hardly see: > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110075703 > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110138790 > Some nice shots there in previously impossible light. I've been doing some shootin' in low light myself. At least I think 1/40 sec, ISO 3200, f1.8, EV -2/3 is pretty dim for hand held with moving subjects. About EV 1, I think. The 50/1.8 may be cheap and unimpressively made, but it delivers the goods. AF worked well. More to come as I get around to them. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 11:04:31 2009 Received: (qmail 12731 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 10:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 10:04:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B70E182E0 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771DDE24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E30F19DFC4 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:04:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7AD819DFBF for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:04:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Li4Fa-0007wV-E7 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:04:22 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.5]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Li4FZ-0007Cb-VE for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:04:21 +0000 Message-ID: <49BA2FBA.70005@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:04:42 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49BA2CD9.4030203@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49BA2CD9.4030203@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] 35/2 in the dark X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 11:04:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba2faf79557927319144 Moose wrote: > > > The 50/1.8 may be cheap and unimpressively made, but it delivers the > goods. AF worked well. More to come as I get around to them. > > > Moose Awww. Talk about wide-eyed and innocent..! ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 11:14:55 2009 Received: (qmail 14892 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 10:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 10:14:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E285E182FB for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6C5E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5BB19DFE3 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:14:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E99319DDE6 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:14:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7198 invoked by uid 502); 13 Mar 2009 10:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.170.213) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Mar 2009 10:14:48 -0000 Message-ID: <49BA3212.5070905@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:14:42 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB7186F66EFEC2-7D8-4E70@WEBMAIL-MZ39.sysops.aol.com> <49B9B148.20902@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49B9B148.20902@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 11:14:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba321f289521744846740 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Yes, I have it on good authority that Oly engineers called a northern California consultant code named "Moose" when working on the flash system. They asked "Moose" if he used flash very much. He said: "Nah, > I don't like flash very much and don't use it." Then they asked him if he'd ever heard of "dragging the shutter". He said: "Dragging the shutter????" Pretty much on the mark for many years. Way back when, I did the flash bulb thing, then the fixed output electronic thing. Then one day I got a T32 to put on my OM-2n. The was the end of flash calculations and fussing. I know the combo has limitations for the serious flash person. But for all those family snaps, it did a very fine job year after year, indoors and out. It's only with the advent of good high ISO on digital cameras that I've been able to largely eschew flash. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 11:17:10 2009 Received: (qmail 23448 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 10:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 10:17:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38EEE18362 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E872E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B9434AC026 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:17:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B8134AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:16:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so213123tid.10 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.110.10.16 with SMTP id 16mr1667684tij.59.1236939416686; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?127.0.0.1? (203-214-115-96.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.214.115.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d7sm90651tib.2.2009.03.13.03.16.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49BA3290.1090003@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:16:48 +1000 From: Marc Lawrence User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49BA2CD9.4030203@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49BA2CD9.4030203@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] 35/2 in the dark X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 11:17:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba32a6161331035110158 Moose wrote: > ... > The 50/1.8 may be cheap and unimpressively made, but it delivers the > goods. AF worked well. More to come as I get around to them. > That second one in particular is a bottler, Moose! Lovely. I look forward to more. I've been, for starters, using (and enjoying, unexpectedly) the EF35/2 on the new 5DMkII, but the plastic-fantastic EF50/1.8 will probably be my usual accomplice, as I'd bought the 35/2 for roughly "normal" equivalence, my usual preference, on the 10D. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 12:41:03 2009 Received: (qmail 6912 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 11:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 11:41:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BA8E182FF for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C8FE24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A1119E247 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:40:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5218E19E241 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:40:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30877 invoked by uid 504); 13 Mar 2009 11:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 Mar 2009 11:40:53 -0000 Message-ID: <49BA4644.4010100@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:40:52 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B9B205.7060200@chucknorcutt.com> <795719DF-BDBB-42EB-AB3B-E28540EF0B4C@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <795719DF-BDBB-42EB-AB3B-E28540EF0B4C@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090312-0, 03/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 35/2 in the dark X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 12:41:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba464f33371529615919 Thanks. I'd forgotten about that liveview stuff. Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > With the S screen it's surprisingly focussable at f2, but guess and > scale is good, and zoomed liveview is awesome when there's time to > check... > > Tom > > On 13 Mar 2009, at 01:08, Chuck wrote: > >> Seems to work well. Using it on hyperfocal in the dark or can you >> actually focus it? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> >> Tom Fenwick wrote: >>> I've been using the 35/2 on the canyon in some dark places >>> recently. It's >>> easier to use than the alternatives when you can hardly see: >>> >>> http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110075703 >>> http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110138790 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 12:49:22 2009 Received: (qmail 13146 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 11:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 11:49:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2780E182ED for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03329E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D5C34AC027 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:49:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FC634AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:49:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so173803yxh.80 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:49:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.125.12 with SMTP id x12mr831570anc.111.1236944954962; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:49:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B956A1.9000307@gmail.com> References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <49B68C44.3090107@gmail.com> <49B956A1.9000307@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:49:14 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903130449p4f4cb71fif23594b1a5e2f86b@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 12:49:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba484222681234514069 On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Moose wrote: > I would like it if others enjoyed them too, but I realize that's not the > most important thing. And as you say, it seems many folks aren't moved > by the images when posted. Seems only fair. Lots of listees seem to like > images of aeroplanes, trains, cars, motorcycles, etc. Mostly those > images just don't move me. I'm fairly often interested in technical > qualities of the images, but seldom the subjects. I am the same. There is a ritual of the seasons about it, and after our record flood last year, which has taken my wife's perennial beds along the bank back to primordial goo, I am glad I have as many photos as I have from recent years. It grieves me occasionally to look at them, as so many children lost to time and trouble, but it's at least more than memories. "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may" -- that's my motto -- and photography, literally, is in part how I like to do that. Flowers are one area in which my wife and I share a common love that I celebrate in photography, and so that makes it almost too good to be true sometimes. My grandmother was a botanist. It chagrins me that I have such a terrible time remembering plant names. It will be surprising, in a very pleasant way, as to what comes poking up soon after a lost summer. It will be a better than average spring and summer if all goes reasonably well. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 12:54:50 2009 Received: (qmail 29481 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 11:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 11:54:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37D6E18314 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCA2E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D41C19E274 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:54:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9A819E272 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:54:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f158.google.com (mail-ew0-f158.google.com [209.85.219.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so2700731ewy.14 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.33.3 with SMTP id g3mr732437ebg.13.1236945281938; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.41.161.217? ([82.132.136.215]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2021938eyb.18.2009.03.13.04.54.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4C6F565C-9654-4F85-BB5A-0398A78F5700@gmail.com> From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <60f983080903130101y769b999r6a5a7f8869d26a65@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5G77) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5G77) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:54:24 +0000 References: <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com> <05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> <60f983080903130101y769b999r6a5a7f8869d26a65@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 12:54:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba498a174331342116753 I do think that this is a valid question, but you can look at it the other way round... Even if there's no more detail to record, those megapixels are busy digging deeper into the subtleties that lead us to choose one lens over another, even with pushed tri-x or whatever. Tom Sent from my iPhone On 13 Mar 2009, at 08:01, Michael Wong wrote: > CH., > Is there the resolution of OM old lens fulfill such as high pixel > camera as > 21 million pixel? I'm considering to join micro 4/3 with my Leica & > CV lens > :p > > > --- > Michael > > > > > 2009/3/13 C.H.Ling > >> Thanks Joel, Jim, Bob, Chuck, Andrew, Michael's and all for >> watching and >> the >> comments. >> >> 5D II is good but no matter how good it is just a electronics >> device, I >> enjoy OM much more, the camera and lenses just like precision >> equipment. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joel Wilcox" >> >> >>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM, C.H.Ling >> wrote: >>>> Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, >>>> all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. >>>> >>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm >>>> >>>> It is hard to beat the 180/2.8 for such event, it is very sharp >>>> even >> wide >>>> open and it did very well in isolate the background too. But the >>>> DOF >>>> is really really shallow. >>>> >>>> Actual pixel cropped from IMG_1973 (on a 21MP body). >>>> >>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_1973c.JPG >>> >>> Those are very hard to choose among. I think there is something >>> special about the model in 1949. 1866 is a great portrait, and 1891 >>> has a nice blending with the background. 100% enjoyable, nothing >>> not >>> to like! >>> >>> You also apparently have a really good camera. ;^) >>> >>> Joel W. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 12:55:15 2009 Received: (qmail 27162 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 11:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 11:55:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D94E182FC for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D73DE24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAC834AC01E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97BB34AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:54:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3408 invoked by uid 504); 13 Mar 2009 11:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 Mar 2009 11:54:44 -0000 Message-ID: <49BA4983.2090404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:54:43 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49BA2CD9.4030203@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49BA2CD9.4030203@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090312-0, 03/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 35/2 in the dark X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 12:55:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba49a391811234514069 Very nice. #2 is the winner. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Tom Fenwick wrote: >> I've been using the 35/2 on the canyon in some dark places recently. It's >> easier to use than the alternatives when you can hardly see: >> >> http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110075703 >> http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110138790 >> > > Some nice shots there in previously impossible light. > > I've been doing some shootin' in low light myself. At least I think 1/40 > sec, ISO 3200, f1.8, EV -2/3 is pretty dim for hand held with moving > subjects. About EV 1, I think. > > The 50/1.8 may be cheap and unimpressively made, but it delivers the > goods. AF worked well. More to come as I get around to them. > > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 12:59:07 2009 Received: (qmail 6553 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 11:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 11:59:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D6FE182FF for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8415E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F1B34AC025 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:59:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4490E34AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:59:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so966315anc.35 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:59:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.108.20 with SMTP id g20mr820985anc.129.1236945541558; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:59:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49B968A9.7060506@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <49B968A9.7060506@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:59:01 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903130459j1ebd1457i1c91bc26b7164def@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 12:59:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba4a8b176109117217770 On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Donald wrote: > DeepPeeReview has a samples gallery up for the E-620, if anyone has > missed it so far. Not too ugly. Includes one of the better photos through an airplane window that I've seen. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 13:07:11 2009 Received: (qmail 819 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 12:07:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 12:07:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F40E182E9 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68F5E24122 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D845634AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A8534AC01E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Li6AK-0005Hr-3e for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:07:04 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.5]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Li6AJ-0005wb-Dr for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:07:03 +0000 Message-ID: <49BA4C7C.205@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:07:24 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49B968A9.7060506@blueyonder.co.uk> <9e908c1f0903130459j1ebd1457i1c91bc26b7164def@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0903130459j1ebd1457i1c91bc26b7164def@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 13:07:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba4c6f142414673671140 Joel Wilcox wrote: > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Donald wrote: >> DeepPeeReview has a samples gallery up for the E-620, if anyone has >> missed it so far. > > Not too ugly. Includes one of the better photos through an airplane > window that I've seen. > > Joel W. I don't usually enjoy the subject matter in these galleries (it's me, not the subject matter ;-) ), but I'd love to have a bash at that organic, 'no-corners' architecture sometime. It reminds me of something else, but I'm damned if I can drag it out of my recesses... ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 13:10:42 2009 Received: (qmail 26957 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 12:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 12:10:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4451FE1830E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF657E24122 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C157534AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA4E34AC01E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.210.184]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KGG00NAH1TI0QX1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:10:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49BA4D41.8080601@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:10:41 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <49B7B736.1060708@verizon.net> <49B900BB.1040000@verizon.net> <14883a8b0903120638m3ca6f3afuc55bca1f4008a04c@mail.gmail.com> In-reply-to: <14883a8b0903120638m3ca6f3afuc55bca1f4008a04c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 13:10:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba4d42237421234514069 Yes, if it's not too much trouble, send the picture. Our pond is man-made too. the largest preformed plastic liner we could find, around 300 gallons. Thank you for the suggestion. We were looking for a way to avoid using the hardware cloth (which, for those those who don't know, is very coarse metal screening and an eyesore). ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Charles Geilfuss wrote: > John, > One of my neighbors has an elaborate outdoor fish pond that was initially > hunted by a Great Blue Heron. His solution was (no not a shotgun) to run > parallel strands of fine monofilament fishing line spaced about a foot > apart. It doesn't entangle the herons but they *really* dislike it and leave > his fish alone. From a few feet away the line is nearly invisible and > doesn't spoil the view. If you like I'd be happy to photograph and e-mail to > you. > > Charlie > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:31 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> Crocus bulbs multiply if they survive. Squirrels don't like certain >> varieties, they must smell different. When we plant new bulbs we cover >> the area with chicken wire for the winter, then uncover in spring. Just >> took the "hardware cloth " off the pond, hoping the Blue Heron won't >> show up. >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> Thanks, John. We have only one or two bulbs left after many years. We >>> suspect the hungry squirrels dined on the bulbs. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Hermanson" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:05 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring >>> >>> >>>> We love the crocus! Nice picture, but many people are not moved by >>>> flowers any more. 24 years ago, I planted purple crocus bulbs at the >>>> edge of our lawn next to the front steps. They came up a week ago. A >>>> few dots of color to mark the end of winter. >>>> ___________________________________ >>>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>>> This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception on >>>>> another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 13:10:46 2009 Received: (qmail 26858 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 12:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 12:10:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34F8E18326 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3866E24128 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F6219E2FF for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B9719E2FD for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Li6Dj-0004kp-Qs for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:10:35 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.5]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Li6Dj-0001Bw-9x for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:10:35 +0000 Message-ID: <49BA4D50.8040701@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:10:56 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <49B68C44.3090107@gmail.com> <49B956A1.9000307@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0903130449p4f4cb71fif23594b1a5e2f86b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0903130449p4f4cb71fif23594b1a5e2f86b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 13:10:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba4d46274491342116753 Joel Wilcox wrote: > > I am the same. There is a ritual of the seasons about it, and after > our record flood last year, which has taken my wife's perennial beds > along the bank back to primordial goo, I am glad I have as many photos > as I have from recent years. It grieves me occasionally to look at > them, as so many children lost to time and trouble, but it's at least > more than memories. "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may" -- that's my > motto -- and photography, literally, is in part how I like to do that. > Flowers are one area in which my wife and I share a common love that > I celebrate in photography, and so that makes it almost too good to be > true sometimes. > > My grandmother was a botanist. It chagrins me that I have such a > terrible time remembering plant names. > > It will be surprising, in a very pleasant way, as to what comes poking > up soon after a lost summer. It will be a better than average spring > and summer if all goes reasonably well. > > Joel W. A fine, evocative, simple piece of writing, Joel. All will be well; the fecundity of even a recently devastated Earth is a joy. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 13:11:33 2009 Received: (qmail 22784 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 12:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 12:11:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED0BE1830A for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F0AE24122 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B13019E2F6 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5B719E2F2 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n2DCAo8k025360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:10:51 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <49BA2CD9.4030203@gmail.com> <49BA3290.1090003@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49BA3290.1090003@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:10:43 +1100 Message-ID: <000001c9a3d4$bcaf7760$360e6620$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcmjxN6VNn0aUOIcQJWCLyym9qSL8QADvc4Q Content-Language: en-au x-cr-puzzleid: {B201CFA4-D4F6-4535-8E81-2E41DF07AD7A} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: hPo= Ag41 AotB BBTD Dqjh E9Wk FTGd GL4j HPD1 IBWi IH9N IS9n IeYe I4rg Ja0t KO0t; 1; bwBsAHkAbQBwAHUAcwBAAHQAaABvAG0AYQBzAGMAbABhAHUAcwBlAG4ALgBuAGUAdAA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {B201CFA4-D4F6-4535-8E81-2E41DF07AD7A}; dwBhAHkAbgBlAGgAYQByAHIAaQBkAGcAZQBAAG8AcAB0AHUAcwBuAGUAdAAuAGMAbwBtAC4AYQB1AA==; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:10:42 GMT; UgBlAHMAdQBsAHQAcwAgAGYAcgBvAG0AIAByAGUAYQBsAGwAeQAgAGMAaABlAGEAcAAgAHAAaQBuAGgAbwBsAGUAIABjAGEAbQBlAHIAYQA= Subject: [OM] Results from really cheap pinhole camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 13:11:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba4d75241361838542571 Voigtlander Bessa I folding camera (6x9) with bellows, shutter, lens removed and pinhole "lens board" epoxied to body. Kodak Portra 160NC, fl ~35mm, f128, 1 sec http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/cn6-063-04-b.jpg ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 13:24:34 2009 Received: (qmail 11645 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 12:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 12:24:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8ECE18308 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE08E24122 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF7D19E359 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:24:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8F219E355 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:24:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16534 invoked by uid 504); 13 Mar 2009 12:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090312-0, 03/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Results from really cheap pinhole camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 13:24:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba5082314851234514069 Remarkably sharp. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > Voigtlander Bessa I folding camera (6x9) with bellows, shutter, lens removed > and pinhole "lens board" epoxied to body. > > Kodak Portra 160NC, fl ~35mm, f128, 1 sec > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/cn6-063-04-b.jpg > > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 13:29:43 2009 Received: (qmail 1259 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 12:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 12:29:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B10E182E5 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF69E24122 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1874D34AC025 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:29:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5017B34AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:29:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n2DCTYVL026924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:29:35 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <49BA2CD9.4030203@gmail.com> <49BA3290.1090003@gmail.com> <000001c9a3d4$bcaf7760$360e6620$@com.au> <49BA507A.1000304@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49BA507A.1000304@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:29:27 +1100 Message-ID: <000101c9a3d7$5a912e90$0fb38bb0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acmj1qtbRj4sBWhuR/q0FyKw9jyMQwAAHrYA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Results from really cheap pinhole camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 13:29:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba51b737258512572685 Size matters ! Sensor (film) size that is. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt [] Remarkably sharp. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 13:43:19 2009 Received: (qmail 28144 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 12:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 12:43:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DC9E1830F for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1274E24122 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB8834AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:43:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA07034AC01E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:43:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (martin.walters@nrcan-rncan.gc.ca whitelisted) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:43:11 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:43:11 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40594D5FDFC44D879571D53694D798E7@main> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 Thread-Index: AcmjtjJQKozc3P9JRuqsN4pFYiO4vAAIftCg References: <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au><9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com><05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main><60f983080903130101y769b999r6a5a7f8869d26a65@mail.gmail.com> <40594D5FDFC44D879571D53694D798E7@main> From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2009 12:43:11.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[44ECCC50:01C9A3D9] Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 13:43:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba54e723945368819438 There is at least one home-made Pen F to M4/3 adapter already: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5209 Martin -----Original Message----- From: C.H.Ling [mailto:ch_photo@accura.com.hk] Sent: March 13, 2009 04:32 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 In my experience some of the OM lenses do very well under 21MP body such as the 16/3.5, 21/2, 24/2, 28-48 at 28mm, 40/2, 50/1.4, 85/2, 90/2, 100/2. It is just some examples, does not mean the other not listed are bad as I didn't test them all with the FF body. Actually, you don't need a lens that can resolve over 21MP to use the high pixel body. I believe the Leica and CV lenses will do very well on the micro 4/3 but at 2x crop factor it is no fun. On the other hand I'm waiting for the Pen F to micro 4/3 adapter, the tiny Pen lenses will sure look great on the Olympus micro 4/3. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wong" > CH., > Is there the resolution of OM old lens fulfill such as high pixel > camera as > 21 million pixel? I'm considering to join micro 4/3 with my Leica & CV > lens :p > > > --- > Michael > > > > > 2009/3/13 C.H.Ling > >> Thanks Joel, Jim, Bob, Chuck, Andrew, Michael's and all for watching and >> the >> comments. >> >> 5D II is good but no matter how good it is just a electronics device, I >> enjoy OM much more, the camera and lenses just like precision equipment. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joel Wilcox" >> >> >> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM, C.H.Ling >> wrote: >> >> Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, >> >> all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. >> >> >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm >> >> >> >> It is hard to beat the 180/2.8 for such event, it is very sharp even >> wide >> >> open and it did very well in isolate the background too. But the DOF >> >> is really really shallow. >> >> >> >> Actual pixel cropped from IMG_1973 (on a 21MP body). >> >> >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_1973c.JPG >> > >> > Those are very hard to choose among. I think there is something >> > special about the model in 1949. 1866 is a great portrait, and 1891 >> > has a nice blending with the background. 100% enjoyable, nothing not >> > to like! >> > >> > You also apparently have a really good camera. ;^) >> > >> > Joel W. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 13:45:07 2009 Received: (qmail 19471 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 12:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 12:45:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1486EE182E9 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82CEE24122 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8678019E3CB for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:45:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9FC19E3AF for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:45:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.210.184]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KGG00DPM3EXLMF4@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:44:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49BA5554.90106@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:45:08 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg><6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 13:45:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba5553257011035110158 Very nice (and sharp)! Charming subjects that's for sure. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html C.H.Ling wrote: > Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, > all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm > > It is hard to beat the 180/2.8 for such event, it is very sharp even wide > open and it did very well in isolate the background too. But the DOF > is really really shallow. > > Actual pixel cropped from IMG_1973 (on a 21MP body). > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_1973c.JPG > > > Enjoy! > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 13:47:33 2009 Received: (qmail 17759 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 12:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 12:47:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB995E182F1 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE1CE24122 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE0E19E3CE for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:47:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CBE19E3CD for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:47:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jmalmstrom@mac.com whitelisted) Received: from asmtpout025.mac.com (asmtpout025.mac.com [17.148.16.100]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:47:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [172.28.2.12] (c-83-233-110-14.cust.bredband2.com [83.233.110.14]) by asmtp025.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KGG00D8B3IY0H20@asmtp025.mac.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <2F5837BE-66C2-4D4C-8878-DE7C7E668B3B@mac.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-reply-to: <49B91168.6070404@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:47:21 +0100 References: <49B91168.6070404@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] T Power Control 1 needs epoxy. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 13:47:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba55e5148711946193717 John, Thank you I will consider fixing the control. I'll get back to you. / Johan 12 mar 2009 kl. 14.43 skrev John Hermanson: > Glue may make the flash un-serviceable. Usually the small part = > (between > the shoe and the body (CB2608) cracks inside. IF you are going to fix > it, I can mail you a shoe and shoe base. Might as well replace both = > if > you've got it apart. > Please provide mail address. > > John > > On 3/12/2009 8:22:42 AM, Johan Malmstr=F6m (jmalmstrom@mac.com) wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> my T Power Control 1 took a hit and lost its grip. The foot is almost >> loose, I guess that the fitting for the screws, coming from inside = >> the >> unit, was destroyed. >> >> Would you glue it together? >> >> My T10 took a hit too and has now a dented view of how to enlighten >> the world. Well it seems to be working. They where sitting mounted on >> my 4Ti, when someone ran into the tripod and it fell on the front. :( >> >> >> Thanks, >> Johan >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 13:51:26 2009 Received: (qmail 25565 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 12:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 12:51:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4D9E182E3 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13485E24122 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D857B19E3EF for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:51:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D19C19E3ED for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:51:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@m93.myzen.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.140]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.23.8.62] (helo=localhost) by smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Li6r8-0004yf-O7 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:51:18 +0000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:51:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [64.209.26.189] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.5 Message-ID: X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [212.23.8.62] Subject: Re: [OM] Results from really cheap pinhole camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 13:51:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba56ce216163675314703 Wayne, Excellent image, I've also been trying out a pinhole camera recently (a Monochrom kit - 6x9). Only used B&W so far - you've inspired me to give colour a try, maybe some Velvia 50... trouble is colour is hard to come by in Essex in March..... If you're interested, a few examples from my cardboard box are here - http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/cn6-063-04-b.jpg Martyn Smoothy Wayne Harridge wrote : > Voigtlander Bessa I folding camera (6x9) with bellows, shutter, lens removed > and pinhole "lens board" epoxied to body. > > Kodak Portra 160NC, fl ~35mm, f128, 1 sec > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/cn6-063-04-b.jpg > > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 13:57:06 2009 Received: (qmail 3254 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 12:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 12:57:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43794E182E9 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7138FE24122 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D0634AC025 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:57:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E4234AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:56:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@m93.myzen.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.142]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.23.8.62] (helo=localhost) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Li6wc-00046C-Ex for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:56:58 +0000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion From: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:56:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [64.209.26.189] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.5 Message-ID: X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [212.23.8.62] Subject: Re: [OM] Results from really cheap pinhole camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 13:57:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba5821326791993019900 Wrong link - dumb as a bag of hammers... http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=883362 :-) Photo@m93.myzen.co.uk wrote : > Wayne, > > Excellent image, I've also been trying out a pinhole camera recently (a > Monochrom kit - 6x9). Only used B&W so far - you've inspired me to give colour a > try, maybe some Velvia 50... trouble is colour is hard to come by in Essex in > March..... > > If you're interested, a few examples from my cardboard box are here - http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/cn6-063-04-b.jpg > > Martyn Smoothy > > > > > Wayne Harridge &lang=en">wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au> > wrote : > > > Voigtlander Bessa I folding camera (6x9) with bellows, shutter, lens > removed > > and pinhole "lens board" epoxied to body. > > > > Kodak Portra 160NC, fl ~35mm, f128, 1 sec > > > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/cn6-063-04-b.jpg > > > > > > ...Wayne > > > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 14:17:22 2009 Received: (qmail 8751 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 13:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 13:17:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8CEE18314 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51752E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E9C34AC025 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:17:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B1634AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:17:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.144]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so138867qwc.26 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:17:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.54.141 with SMTP id q13mr1894340qag.113.1236950234051; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:17:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49BA4D41.8080601@verizon.net> References: <3BDD74D0091146DA982D57B74ECDA1FE@jimnichols> <49B7B736.1060708@verizon.net> <49B900BB.1040000@verizon.net> <14883a8b0903120638m3ca6f3afuc55bca1f4008a04c@mail.gmail.com> <49BA4D41.8080601@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:17:13 -0400 Message-ID: <14883a8b0903130617h1c5d01al48bd5b855e9cec7d@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 14:17:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba5ce2217982070262475 Will do John. Look for it sometime this weekend. Charlie On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:10 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > Yes, if it's not too much trouble, send the picture. Our pond is > man-made too. the largest preformed plastic liner we could find, around > 300 gallons. Thank you for the suggestion. We were looking for a way to > avoid using the hardware cloth (which, for those those who don't know, > is very coarse metal screening and an eyesore). > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Charles Geilfuss wrote: > > John, > > One of my neighbors has an elaborate outdoor fish pond that was > initially > > hunted by a Great Blue Heron. His solution was (no not a shotgun) to run > > parallel strands of fine monofilament fishing line spaced about a foot > > apart. It doesn't entangle the herons but they *really* dislike it and > leave > > his fish alone. From a few feet away the line is nearly invisible and > > doesn't spoil the view. If you like I'd be happy to photograph and e-mail > to > > you. > > > > Charlie > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:31 AM, John Hermanson > wrote: > > > >> Crocus bulbs multiply if they survive. Squirrels don't like certain > >> varieties, they must smell different. When we plant new bulbs we cover > >> the area with chicken wire for the winter, then uncover in spring. Just > >> took the "hardware cloth " off the pond, hoping the Blue Heron won't > >> show up. > >> ___________________________________ > >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 > >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > >> > >> > >> Jim Nichols wrote: > >>> Thanks, John. We have only one or two bulbs left after many years. We > >>> suspect the hungry squirrels dined on the bulbs. > >>> > >>> Jim Nichols > >>> Tullahoma, TN USA > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "John Hermanson" > >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:05 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Sign of Spring > >>> > >>> > >>>> We love the crocus! Nice picture, but many people are not moved by > >>>> flowers any more. 24 years ago, I planted purple crocus bulbs at the > >>>> edge of our lawn next to the front steps. They came up a week ago. A > >>>> few dots of color to mark the end of winter. > >>>> ___________________________________ > >>>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > >>>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > >>>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > >>>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 > >>>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Jim Nichols wrote: > >>>>> This photo, not made with my Olympus gear, received a cool reception > on > >>>>> another list. I still like it. Please give me your opinion. > >>>>> > >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Crocus+2.jpg.html > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> > >>>>> Jim Nichols > >>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA > >>>> -- > >>>> _________________________________________________________________ > >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> -- > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >> > >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 14:41:14 2009 Received: (qmail 14883 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 13:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 13:41:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E04E18312 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6557E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4EA19E52F for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:41:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C3019E4C9 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:41:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n2DDewUt014247 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:40:58 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au><9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com><05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main><60f983080903130101y769b999r6a5a7f8869d26a65@mail.gmail.com> <4C6F565C-9654-4F85-BB5A-0398A78F5700@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:40:47 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 14:41:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba627a131551869477228 My point is it doesn't help much when you already have the lenses and looking for a digital back. Even my lenses are not necessary capable of 21MP, then there are only two choices, either the old 5D or the new 5D II with some extra feature that look useful like finer/bigger LCD and liveview. For Michael, there is no choice, either purchase a 12MP micro 4/3 or only stick with film (unless he is willing to pay for a M8). C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fenwick" >I do think that this is a valid question, but you can look at it the > other way round... > > Even if there's no more detail to record, those megapixels are busy > digging deeper into the subtleties that lead us to choose one lens > over another, even with pushed tri-x or whatever. > > Tom > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 13 Mar 2009, at 08:01, Michael Wong wrote: > >> CH., >> Is there the resolution of OM old lens fulfill such as high pixel >> camera as >> 21 million pixel? I'm considering to join micro 4/3 with my Leica & >> CV lens >> :p >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 14:44:37 2009 Received: (qmail 23674 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 13:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 13:44:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39050E182FC for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9FAE24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A7034AC01E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:44:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD95634AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:44:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so2758294bwz.14 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:44:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.124.10 with SMTP id s10mr378169bkr.34.1236951868453; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:44:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CB71A1D9C333C9-C8C-807@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB71A1D9C333C9-C8C-807@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:44:28 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e47069de73a3c30e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 14:44:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba6345227771342116753 > > Yes, dragging the shutter and retaining TTL use for the 3Ti does result > in 3Ti envy. I only wish it did TTL macro fill as I don't mind the > alternatives so much for other situations. I think it was just a > generation shy of that feature. I'm not sure I understand that statement about TTL macro fill. Can you expound on it? WWAGD? Shoot more. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 14:46:59 2009 Received: (qmail 8879 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 13:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 13:46:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F319E182F8 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB20E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F3F3610002 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:46:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB7E34AC026 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:46:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n2DDkm3e015012 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:46:48 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <9B1233796BFE42FE83A231EFA6DAAB1A@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au><9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com><05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main><60f983080903130101y769b999r6a5a7f8869d26a65@mail.gmail.com><40594D5FDFC44D879571D53694D798E7@main> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:46:45 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 14:46:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba63d3226641838542571 I have seen this before but I hope for a more simple solution such as Olympus bundle one with every micro 4/3 or come from a thrid party like the OM-EOS adapter. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walters, Martin" > There is at least one home-made Pen F to M4/3 adapter already: > > http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5209 > > Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: C.H.Ling [mailto:ch_photo@accura.com.hk] > Sent: March 13, 2009 04:32 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 > > In my experience some of the OM lenses do very well under 21MP body such > as the 16/3.5, 21/2, 24/2, 28-48 at 28mm, 40/2, 50/1.4, 85/2, 90/2, > 100/2. It is just some examples, does not mean the other not listed are > bad as I didn't test them all with the FF body. > > Actually, you don't need a lens that can resolve over 21MP to use the > high pixel body. I believe the Leica and CV lenses will do very well on > the micro > 4/3 but at 2x crop factor it is no fun. On the other hand I'm waiting > for the Pen F to micro 4/3 adapter, the tiny Pen lenses will sure look > great on the Olympus micro 4/3. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Wong" > >> CH., >> Is there the resolution of OM old lens fulfill such as high pixel >> camera as >> 21 million pixel? I'm considering to join micro 4/3 with my Leica & CV > >> lens :p >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 15:04:33 2009 Received: (qmail 2732 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 14:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 14:04:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CC6E182E8 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8345E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81E619E648 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:04:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5712519E633 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:04:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090313140426.PFZX28145.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:04:26 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:04:25 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] 35/2 in the dark X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 15:04:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba67f1202882336821329 Man, those are dark places. I remember when I used to go into places like that. But not to take pictures. Must present a real challenge. Good work. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Tom Fenwick wrote: > I've been using the 35/2 on the canyon in some dark places > recently. It's > easier to use than the alternatives when you can hardly see: > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110075703 > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/110138790 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 15:35:06 2009 Received: (qmail 4678 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 14:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 14:35:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58EFE18319 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034E6E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87FC19E798 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:35:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FABE19E74E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:34:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so2781057fxm.14 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:34:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.58.16 with SMTP id e16mr394817bkh.43.1236954892558; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:34:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> References: <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com> <05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:34:52 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: be59f1098addaffb Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 15:35:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba6f1a76021470116606 > > 5D II is good but no matter how good it is just a electronics device, I > enjoy OM much more, the camera and lenses just like precision equipment. > Part of this, or maybe even all of it is just operational gestalt. I find that when I'm shooting with the OM system I'm "anticipating" the shots, whereas with the digital systems I'm "reacting" to the shots. With the OM-3Ti, I have a constant awareness of the lighting and even though I may not be shooting at the moment, I'm adjusting things like aperture or focus in anticipation of a picture that may happen. With the tactile controls, I'm able to just have a start point and as I am looking around, as I look from one subject to the next I'm focusing or adjusting aperture a click or two. When I see the picture I want to take I raise the camera and the aperture and focus are already close or at the final setting. "Click" and the camera is lowered back down in an instant while my eyes are again looking for the next picture. With the digital cameras, I don't have that tactile control mechanism and I end up using auto-exposure to compensate for the poor control design that is inherent to all PASM cameras. Same with autofocus--to get the response time comparable to the prefocused manual camera, we need a gazillion AF points and lots of fuzzy-logic to figure things out. No matter how fast a camera is, zero to full-press of the shutter-release will delay the picture no less than a half a second. This delay, which is so much a part of our lives with AF, is picture affecting. For example, when photographing people, the moment you raise the camera to your face and point it at them, they will look away, change expression or something. Anything you can do to eliminate the delay is a benefit. With the OM or Leica system, for example, I can raise the camera to the eye for framing, click the shutter and have the camera lowered in less time than it takes for the AF to figure out which point to use. The trick is to be able to take the picture within the one second "recognize and react" period of your subject. BTW, I really liked the umbrella picture. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 15:43:27 2009 Received: (qmail 26657 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 14:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 14:43:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33D2E18309 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E620CE24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7E319E7DC for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:43:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2912E19E80E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:43:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so2779742bwz.14 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:43:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.142 with SMTP id v14mr397785bkq.37.1236955398762; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:43:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:43:18 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3cc0809355459086 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Results from really cheap pinhole camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 15:43:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba710f258058512572685 > > Wrong link - dumb as a bag of hammers... > Not so dumb when you have a box of nails. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 15:58:12 2009 Received: (qmail 23999 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 14:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 14:58:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F637E1832A for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E51FE24128 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6171A34AC026 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:57:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1FB34AC024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.214.80]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [138.23.74.113] ([138.23.74.113]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id EEA35898 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4A386DAE-3DB3-4A2C-A819-401D513E1FE3@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:57:55 -0700 References: <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au><9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com><05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> <60f983080903130101y769b999r6a5a7f8869d26a65@mail.gmail.com> <40594D5FDFC44D879571D53694D798E7@main> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 15:58:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba7484106031823421471 That's something I would love to get... On Mar 13, 2009, at 1:41 AM, Iwert wrote: > Oh yes, > > The M4/3 with a pen 42f1.2 would be nice :) > > Iwert > > Op 13-mrt-09, om 09:31 heeft C.H.Ling het volgende geschreven: > >> In my experience some of the OM lenses do very well under 21MP body >> such as >> the 16/3.5, 21/2, 24/2, 28-48 at 28mm, 40/2, 50/1.4, 85/2, 90/2, >> 100/2. It >> is just some examples, does not mean the other not listed are bad >> as I >> didn't test them all with the FF body. >> >> Actually, you don't need a lens that can resolve over 21MP to use >> the high >> pixel body. I believe the Leica and CV lenses will do very well on >> the micro >> 4/3 but at 2x crop factor it is no fun. On the other hand I'm >> waiting for >> the Pen F to micro 4/3 adapter, the tiny Pen lenses will sure look >> great on >> the Olympus micro 4/3. >> >> C.H.Ling >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 16:01:17 2009 Received: (qmail 12031 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 15:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 15:01:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A80E18317 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DB7E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25B234AC026 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:01:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4B934AC025 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:01:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [138.23.74.113] ([138.23.74.113]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.3-GA) with ESMTP id DLP85957 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <754006DB-DE7C-424B-BC1F-54CD687CEAB5@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:01:11 -0700 References: <181401c99fea$5c5cd080$13d2e747@miraclenay7zrg><6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 16:01:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba753d36281499373980 On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:35 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Here again is the yearly portrait event in the flower show in HK, > all shot at F2.8 with OM180/2.8 and 100/2 on a 5D II body. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/5D2_03/TVB_09.htm My fav's got to be 1949, great portrait! Love the light in 2016--both her skin and the exquisite fabric seems to glow. Thanks for sharing. s/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 16:03:27 2009 Received: (qmail 21412 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 15:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 15:03:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52E8E18321 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBEFE24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2091D3610006 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:03:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36EC3610007 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:03:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090313150321.QVBZ28145.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:03:21 +0000 Message-Id: <3FDE7859-E856-4606-8279-39375A9B505D@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:03:20 -0400 References: <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au> <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com> <05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 16:03:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba75bf30201499373980 On Mar 13, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > With the OM or Leica system, for example, I can raise the camera > to the eye for framing, click the shutter and have the camera > lowered in > less time than it takes for the AF to figure out which point to use. Well, just to be contrary, that ain't necessarily so. My D3 is set to shoot on release. I focus with the AF-ON button. There is no delay between punching the shutter and capturing the image. I also can manual focus. There's no DOF gauge, but I can still hit the hyperfocal pretty accurately by picking something the right distance, setting focus, and then forgetting it. Now if you want to talk about the amount of time it takes to actually raise that 5-pound brick to the eye, that's something else. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 16:19:07 2009 Received: (qmail 17390 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 15:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 15:19:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F19AE182FF for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C91E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2C819E952 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:19:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9696E19E956 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:19:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f180.google.com (mail-bw0-f180.google.com [209.85.218.180]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so2792796bwz.14 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:18:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.60.133 with SMTP id p5mr429781bkh.143.1236957539041; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:18:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3FDE7859-E856-4606-8279-39375A9B505D@roadrunner.com> References: <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com> <05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> <3FDE7859-E856-4606-8279-39375A9B505D@roadrunner.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:18:58 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b5e712210cfd6723 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 16:19:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba796b163431946193717 > > Well, just to be contrary, that ain't necessarily so. My D3 is set to > shoot on release. I focus with the AF-ON button. There is no delay > between punching the shutter and capturing the image. I also can > manual focus. There's no DOF gauge, but I can still hit the hyperfocal > pretty accurately by picking something the right distance, setting > focus, and then forgetting it. Now if you want to talk about the > amount of time it takes to actually raise that 5-pound brick to the > eye, that's something else. > I don't dispute that in the least. I tend to operate the E-1 in a similar manner. But I ask the question: Can you manually adjust aperture and/or focus without looking at the camera? The answer with most of our pro-level DSLRs is "yes", but with caveats. I'm not saying that one is better than the other, what I'm saying is that they are different than each other and encourage the photographer to utilize the features and strengths of a given system. But unfortunately those features and strengths do alter how and what you are photographing. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 16:22:59 2009 Received: (qmail 12537 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 15:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 15:22:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32E1E182D1 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C967E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E0C19E95E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:22:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE2119E94E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:22:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090313152253.QCMH12334.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:22:53 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:22:52 -0400 References: <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com> <05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> <3FDE7859-E856-4606-8279-39375A9B505D@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 16:22:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba7a53136497350615338 On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Can you manually adjust aperture and/or > focus without looking at the camera? Aw, hell, I can't do that with digital _or_ film. But I do like the auto-ISO feature that lets me set aperture and shutter speed so that the camera worries about what ISO to use. That's gotta compensate for the lack of tactile-Obiwanness that would let me set aperture and focus without looking. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 16:56:45 2009 Received: (qmail 21891 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 15:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 15:56:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E00E182EC for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9018EE24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778C219E9D5 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:56:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06CA19E9C8 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:56:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f158.google.com (mail-ew0-f158.google.com [209.85.219.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so2798813ewy.14 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.47.16 with SMTP id s16mr716713web.16.1236959797857; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.43.74.72? ([82.132.136.215]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm2327997eyg.35.2009.03.13.08.56.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5G77) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5G77) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:56:17 +0000 Subject: [OM] 35/2 in the dark X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 16:56:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba823d187311823421471 Thanks Bob. One thing it has taught me is that trying to look unobtrusive is not always the best approach for the photographer... http://www.pbase.com/image/110075701 I did mean to point out that these are all the 35/2 zuiko - not the canon - a focus scale you can see is very helpful. Tom Sent from my iPhone -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 17:02:10 2009 Received: (qmail 14401 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 16:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 16:02:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C41E1830C for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D589E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E13361000C for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:02:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999983610007 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:02:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-201.ctimail.com [61.93.57.201]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2DG1vPu025153 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:01:58 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n2DG1uDl002217 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:01:57 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <82AF670C93644B16A33B09EA29CA2C2E@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6738976.2631236763612487.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><6C4D9950-6274-4251-ADF4-09837F4567E1@people.net.au><4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au><9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com><05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:01:52 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 17:02:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba8382280654673671140 To be honest, there is not much wrong with the 5D II, just the finder is still not as good as the OM, it is critical to us using MF. With digital I don't have the AF problem which delay my shots but I found I fire much more than required (I believe everyone do) and this didn't create more useful shots. I took 240 shots in this 45 minutes photo event where I used to take 70-90 (2-3 roll) of film in the pass. For many of them I just shoot before double confirmed the focus and make sure the post and my composition is the best. I should have been more careful about each shot but my finger didn't follow. I admit the time pressure is one of the reason but more important is the 'film' is free. I know this bad habit can be corrected but it is just not easy so I prefer a total OM system which will slow me down. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > > >> 5D II is good but no matter how good it is just a electronics device, I >> enjoy OM much more, the camera and lenses just like precision equipment. >> > > > Part of this, or maybe even all of it is just operational gestalt. I find > that when I'm shooting with the OM system I'm "anticipating" the shots, > whereas with the digital systems I'm "reacting" to the shots. > > With the OM-3Ti, I have a constant awareness of the lighting and even > though > I may not be shooting at the moment, I'm adjusting things like aperture or > focus in anticipation of a picture that may happen. With the tactile > controls, I'm able to just have a start point and as I am looking around, > as > I look from one subject to the next I'm focusing or adjusting aperture a > click or two. When I see the picture I want to take I raise the camera > and > the aperture and focus are already close or at the final setting. "Click" > and the camera is lowered back down in an instant while my eyes are again > looking for the next picture. > > With the digital cameras, I don't have that tactile control mechanism and > I > end up using auto-exposure to compensate for the poor control design that > is > inherent to all PASM cameras. Same with autofocus--to get the response > time > comparable to the prefocused manual camera, we need a gazillion AF points > and lots of fuzzy-logic to figure things out. No matter how fast a camera > is, zero to full-press of the shutter-release will delay the picture no > less > than a half a second. > > This delay, which is so much a part of our lives with AF, is picture > affecting. For example, when photographing people, the moment you raise > the > camera to your face and point it at them, they will look away, change > expression or something. Anything you can do to eliminate the delay is a > benefit. With the OM or Leica system, for example, I can raise the camera > to the eye for framing, click the shutter and have the camera lowered in > less time than it takes for the AF to figure out which point to use. The > trick is to be able to take the picture within the one second "recognize > and > react" period of your subject. > > BTW, I really liked the umbrella picture. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 17:27:00 2009 Received: (qmail 19129 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 16:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 16:26:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F6BE18313 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B76E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8990719EA6F for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:26:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3281619EA61 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:26:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.155]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so254329yxh.80 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:26:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.14.2 with SMTP id 2mr1017096ann.79.1236961614452; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:26:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49BA4C7C.205@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <49B968A9.7060506@blueyonder.co.uk> <9e908c1f0903130459j1ebd1457i1c91bc26b7164def@mail.gmail.com> <49BA4C7C.205@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:26:54 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903130926n11545b0dm2854ac5a559a74dd@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 17:27:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba895431537350615338 On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Donald wrote: > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Donald wr= ote: >>> DeepPeeReview has a samples gallery up for the E-620, if anyone has >>> missed it so far. >> >> Not too ugly. =A0Includes one of the better photos through an airplane >> window that I've seen. >> >> Joel W. > > I don't usually enjoy the subject matter in these galleries (it's me, > not the subject matter ;-) ), but I'd love to have a bash at that > organic, 'no-corners' architecture sometime. It reminds me of something > else, but I'm damned if I can drag it out of my recesses... Well, I know there is an apparent attraction of the British to the SW USA -- Taos, Santa Fe, etc. Goes back at least to D.H. Lawrence. St. Ansel also made many attractive, almost romantic photographs of the area and the pueblo architecture. It's hard not to feel the draw of it. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 17:40:00 2009 Received: (qmail 11381 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 16:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 16:39:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2603CE1830D for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE1FE24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26C919EAAE for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:39:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F9F19EA2A for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:39:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mstoesz@wyoming.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0108.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm25.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0108.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D52C38AFC for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:39:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm25 Received: by resin09.mta.everyone.net (EON-PICKUP) id resin09.49b67b31.405e3; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:39:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090313093954.F0D49C21@resin09.mta.everyone.net> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:39:54 -0700 From: "Mike Stoesz" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-Eon-Sig: AQLk+1NJuoxaSGF/ewEAAAAB,dc03dde9ad4cf4546d6e40b63e147fe3 X-Originating-Ip: [97.112.238.248] Subject: Re: [OM] Results from really cheap pinhole camera X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 17:40:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba8c60196251529615919 WOW, great resolution for a pinhole camera. Have you tried one with the bellows and shutter in place? Mike Mike Stoesz Laramie Digital Photo Center, Laramie Wyoming --- wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au wrote: From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Subject: [OM] Results from really cheap pinhole camera Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:10:43 +1100 Voigtlander Bessa I folding camera (6x9) with bellows, shutter, lens removed and pinhole "lens board" epoxied to body. Kodak Portra 160NC, fl ~35mm, f128, 1 sec http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/cn6-063-04-b.jpg ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 17:50:28 2009 Received: (qmail 21608 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 16:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 16:50:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4543CE182F6 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38252E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216F819EB06 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:50:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6894A19EB09 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:50:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-149.ctimail.com [61.93.57.149]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2DGoION027877 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:50:18 +0800 Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n2DGoH3Z009022 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:50:18 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <2FEBBF16FF944F7C84BF7904D547C543@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com><9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au><9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com><05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main><3FDE7859-E856-4606-8279-39375A9B505D@roadrunner.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:49:52 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 17:50:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba8ed3185101702588592 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > > >> Well, just to be contrary, that ain't necessarily so. My D3 is set to >> shoot on release. I focus with the AF-ON button. There is no delay >> between punching the shutter and capturing the image. I also can >> manual focus. There's no DOF gauge, but I can still hit the hyperfocal >> pretty accurately by picking something the right distance, setting >> focus, and then forgetting it. Now if you want to talk about the >> amount of time it takes to actually raise that 5-pound brick to the >> eye, that's something else. >> > > I don't dispute that in the least. I tend to operate the E-1 in a similar > manner. But I ask the question: Can you manually adjust aperture and/or > focus without looking at the camera? The answer with most of our pro-level > DSLRs is "yes", but with caveats. > > I'm not saying that one is better than the other, what I'm saying is that > they are different than each other and encourage the photographer to > utilize > the features and strengths of a given system. But unfortunately those > features and strengths do alter how and what you are photographing. > I agree with you, the type of shots we take will pay a very important part on how you use your camera and what you expecting from it, portrait, party and landscape are very different stuffs. C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 17:50:57 2009 Received: (qmail 6721 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 16:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 16:50:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497EFE182E4 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16306E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0549334AC025 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:50:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5291234AC027 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:50:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.154]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so262233yxh.80 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:50:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.254.15 with SMTP id b15mr1019638ani.150.1236963048866; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:50:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9e908c1f0903120724t57dd3c4ete216849cd53de739@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0903120758i7b866c97j1abb09ceca8edf8@mail.gmail.com> <49B96FE7.70102@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:50:48 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0903130950u36662537w86cd9354b9dc0cb7@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Golden Child Kit first time outing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 17:50:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba8ef1319351234514069 On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Sheesh! =A0Get a flash meter and use an OM-G in manual mode. =A0Just a >> fraction of the cost of a 3Ti and perfect flash exposure including the >> ambient with no chimping required. =A0:-) >> > > > LOL, I've been doing just that with the Vivitar 285HV on the E-1 for the > past several years. =A0I do like automation when it works, though. > > A friend of mine has =A0an E-3 with both the FL50R as well as the Metz. = =A0I've > been very amazed at how well that setup works. =A0The flash exposures, > specifically with the Metz, are not only dead-on, but look very natural. = =A0If > I was feeling risky, I'd spend the $500 for the Metz and the $1700 for the > E-3. > > But, nah, the Olympus Living History Farm is alive and well with killer > legacy equipment. =A0Funny thing--that 3Ti/MD2/T45/35-80 kit is still less > expensive than a 5Dmk2 with dedicated flash and comparable zoom. =A0So, I > guess cost is relative. > > The "I agree with Dr. Flash" bumper stickers have arrived, though. =A0The= re is > no substitute for a flash-meter and manual settings when you MUST get it > correct with no chimping. > > OTF-Schnozz Honestly, I don't get why TTL is something one need think about when shooting print film. I like to hit the exposure right, of course, but there's more forgiveness with print film than anything including digital. Imagine trying to explain to your wife why she should use it. You'd give up. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Mar 13 17:57:44 2009 Received: (qmail 7685 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2009 16:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 16:57:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEAAE182E0 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45427E24127 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3961F34AC027 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:57:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9C134AC01E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:57:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f166.google.com (mail-fx0-f166.google.com [209.85.220.166]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so2832491fxm.14 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.9 with SMTP id k9mr457007bkq.164.1236963456607; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <82AF670C93644B16A33B09EA29CA2C2E@main> References: <4B8963D3-1BA1-4AFB-B21E-8EB1F240BA67@roadrunner.com> <9EEB0B5E-E2DB-4732-9443-797013750D85@people.net.au> <9e908c1f0903121054t25b30923ta1a43747a0bbfb9b@mail.gmail.com> <05A2E4ADB1D44893943FCFEE697A8CAA@main> <82AF670C93644B16A33B09EA29CA2C2E@main> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:57:36 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8ac547ad7b654735 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flower show portrait 2009 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Mar 13 17:57:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ba9088188561838542571 > > I admit the time pressure is one of the reason but > more important is the 'film' is free. I know this bad habit can be > corrected > but it is just not easy so I prefer a total OM system which will slow me > down. > I've been shooting enough film this year to choke a giraffe. I've kinda taken an opposite attitude about "digital is cheaper and faster" thing. With the exception of obvious high-wastage shoots (sports, wildlife), my shooting rate of DIFFERENT shots is actually higher with film. Seems counter-intuitive, but stick with me... With film, I'm shooting only one or two pictures of a given composition. By not leaning on the technology, my confidence in the exposure and focus is much greater. No need to shoot more because I know I got the shot the first time. I'll usually shoot two, just for insurance in case I have a scratched negative or an eye-blink, but otherwise that's it. Instead of shooting multiples of a given picture, I've moved on right away to the next composition. My mentality when shooting digital is "making sure I get THIS picture right", but with film, my mentality is "making sure I get the NEXT picture right". The end result is that by the end of the day I am getting up to twice the compositions than I'm getting when shooting digital within the same period of time. Initially, when I went digital, it was the other way around--precisely because of cost per image. But thanks to improved scanning and processing technology and emulsions, I've completely converted from slide to print films with the price advantage of negs. My running per-shot rate is 15-22 cents depending on film and lab. That compares to over 50 cents per frame with slides. So, basically, what is happening to me, is that with film, I'm not bogged down tweaking, chimping, tweaking, chimping... to get the shot. In the next installment of the Auto-Racing articles, I have a picture