From nilsf Fri May 1 00:10:55 2009 Received: (qmail 11059 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 2009 22:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Apr 2009 22:10:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E761EE182E7 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB2CE24A9B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D80834AC02B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:10:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B0234AC024 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:10:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([72.79.25.137]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KIX00LV4PL206X0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:10:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49FA21C5.1020904@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:10:13 -0400 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49FA1492.9060509@verizon.net> <49FA1EA8.50400@dementia.org> In-reply-to: <49FA1EA8.50400@dementia.org> Subject: Re: [OM] refurbed OM-4Ti rec'd from Olympus X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 00:10:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa21ef252721744846740 Mark Dapoz wrote: > Russ Butler said the following on 4/30/09 5:13 PM: >> Today I received one of the 4Ti's that Olympus had on oboy: 270377649971 >> >> The body is cosmetically perfect and it came with a new strap, used >> manual and batteries (though one of them was dead!) It seems to work >> fine with fresh batteries but it's different/weird in these respects: >> >> a) The shutter speed display in the viewfinder stops at 1000 vs 2000 vs. >> my other 4T, a new circuit 4, & as shown in the manual. >> b) It has a pattern in the far left of the viewfinder: four dots above >> four dashes. That's new to me. >> c) It beeps but does flash "OVER" in the viewfinder when overexposing. > > It sounds like it has a broken LCD display. It could be either the LCD panel > isn't setting properly to the flex or the display board is broken. I'd send it > back. > -mark I'm sure you are right about the display & I intend to return it. Thanks, Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 01:21:04 2009 Received: (qmail 1588 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 2009 23:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Apr 2009 23:21:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0054AE182F7 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DD1E24A9B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2DC34AC025 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:20:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CF834AC023 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:20:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9696 invoked by uid 504); 30 Apr 2009 23:20:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090429-0, 04/29/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Day Three Redux X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 01:21:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa3260817350615338 Do you use the E1 as your "Polaroid" for evaluating exposure when shooting lots of film? Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > Well, it's over. Three days (evenings, acutally) and an intense few hours > of shooting. > > It started at 4:45 PM when I arrived for the groups and individual > portraits. These photos were all taken right in the main auditorium and > fortunately the tech crew left the fancy backdrop lighting on. Usually I > have to ask them to turn the washes on and I pick a color which doesn't go > nuclear in the pictures (LED lighting). Fortunately, the light setup from > the night before was just fine and I only had to make one minor exposure > tweak to control the background (ambient) level. > > Three groups of people needed to be photographed and then each person with > spouse (if they had one) had to be photographed. It wasn't ideal, but I > took my painters cloth, tossed it over a railing up on the stage (clamped it > in place), grabbed a cool looking high chair and snapped a test shot. Ugh., > exposure and shadows. I ran up into the balcony, grabbed the far lightstand > and traipsed it over to the side i needed it. Re-aimed them both, dialed > down the T45 as low as it would go and test fired. Moved the chair out > another foot from the backdrop and then rolled them as quickly as possible. > I think I set a personal record of 35 portraits and three group shots in 45 > minutes. We were cooking with oil. Not perfect, but good enough. Part of > professionalism is knowing when good enough is good enough. > > The main event was a rather formal affair and I did most of my main-floor > movement during the first 15 minutes. After that, I spent most of the time > shooting from the balcony--either from the center or all the way to the > side. > > I had experimented on Tuesday with umbellas in the lightstands to soften the > shadows from the hanging mikes, speakers, projecters and stuff. Although > effective, I lost two stops of light as a result. So, I removed the > umbrellas and lowered the monolights down as low as I could get them and > still clear the railing. This put almost all of the shadows up on the > ceiling and by dragging the shutter a little, the ambient light took care of > the rest. Every year I fight this and this probably was about the best > configuration yet, but I'm still not happy. I'm loathe to just go ambient > for everything because the stage lighting isn't even enough. (the stage > lighting has been an issue for the facility's video production for years). > Yet, I think that I probably got my best lighting balance ever for this > event. > > For the ceremony where awards/recognition was given (kinda like a > graduation), but extremely formal and steeped in tradition, I used the > Tokina AT-X 100-300/4 on the E-1. Other than the difficulty in focusing, it > worked great. F6.7 and be there... > > T45? I think I've said enough, eh? > > 10 rolls of film total. Ah, it was wonderful... > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 01:24:15 2009 Received: (qmail 6674 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 2009 23:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Apr 2009 23:24:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6227E182DA for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D902CE24A9B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79A319F6DE for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:24:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695E219F6DD for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:24:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-d03.mx.aol.com (imr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-449fa32d3d6; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:22:59 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c75.4fe7ac32 (37122) for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA018-5c5649fa32b5190; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:22:36 -0400 Received: from FWM-D33 (fwm-d33.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.9]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA034-5c5649fa32b5190; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:22:29 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:22:28 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42812-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.9) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:22:28 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9801A9DDFB7A-15AC-19EB@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 01:24:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa331f223789117217770 Always wondered if the 1-13 screen in an OM4 provded more out-of-focus clues than a 2-series screen. Would be interesting to see with a say F1.2 lens. It would not be a quick or easy experiment. Rachel at Katzeye has always said that any treatment to increase brightness even their well regarded Optibirght will reduce focus contrast--sometimes an OK compromise with the proper screen to start with. There is much difference between OM screens and DSLR's which are optimized for different functions but the question remains. Perhaps the 1-13 to 2-13 comparison is attempting to discern an A+ from an A++, but I've never seen any comments on that or few negative comments on the 2-series screen---cept the judging of bokeh is more difficult. (AG-comments in archives and seems true enough to me) Mike To expound on these two points: I could very easily manually focus any lens in the OM bodies in difficult and poor lighting conditions. Autofocus was about the same speed, but not nearly as accurate. Manually focusing a lens in an AF camera is almost a lost cause in comparison to the OM body with 2-13 screen. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 01:38:09 2009 Received: (qmail 12747 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 2009 23:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Apr 2009 23:38:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3900DE18181 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238E3E24A9B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD9334AC027 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:37:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CE634AC024 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:37:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-d06.mx.aol.com (imr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.159.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-449fa363025e; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:37:20 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c16.6026d195 (34931) for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.154]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA044-5c3c49fa361c238; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:37:16 -0400 Received: from FWM-D33 (fwm-d33.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.9]) by smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB032-5c3c49fa361c238; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:37:00 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:37:00 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42812-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.9) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:37:00 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9803B1563F0C-15AC-1A7C@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] eSnipe win! - eBay Item #110378397652 (Olympus Zuiko 38mm f2.8 Auto-Macro Lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 01:38:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa366130189117217770 Just couldn't resist. Dean loves this lens. Last few nice ones I saw Alex oversniped me. I haven't really seen any for 6 months or so. I was thinking of other ways to accomplish this mag for jumping spiders and such, and the Visa didn't exactly need any exercise, but well, I got it. It looks like a nice one--hasn't arrived yet. There was a jumping spider outside my side door on the AM of the auction-perhaps it was an omen. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 01:47:25 2009 Received: (qmail 1403 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 2009 23:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Apr 2009 23:47:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801E3E182CC for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79FAE24A9B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A1034AC025 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E9334AC023 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23800 invoked by uid 504); 30 Apr 2009 23:47:06 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090429-0, 04/29/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] eSnipe win! - eBay Item #110378397652 (Olympus Zuiko 38mm f2.8 Auto-Macro Lens X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 01:47:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa388d49457350615338 The same seller has a set of focusing screens in boxes: 7, 8 and 10. Closing in 2-1/2 hours and no bids yet (at least that you can see) I have an 8 (fine matte) and a 10 (grid), don't think I need a 7 (microprism + clear field) so I'm not bidding. Somebody here must need these. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Just couldn't resist. Dean loves this lens. Last few nice ones I saw > Alex oversniped me. I haven't really seen any for 6 months or so. I > was thinking of other ways to > accomplish this mag for jumping spiders and such, and the Visa didn't > exactly need any exercise, but well, I got it. It looks like a nice > one--hasn't arrived yet. There was a jumping spider outside my side > door on the AM of the auction-perhaps it was an omen. > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 02:03:59 2009 Received: (qmail 11888 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 00:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 00:03:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD1EE182FA for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79457E24A9B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5264819F727 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:03:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1377719F724 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:03:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl27.gs02.gridserver.com (cl27.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.36]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50943 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl27.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LzgEL-00064h-KH for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:03:53 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:03:51 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 Thread-Index: AcnJ8E7pjVPX+TXjEd6c3QAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <8CB9801A9DDFB7A-15AC-19EB@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 02:03:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa3c6f38701234514069 I have 2-13 screens in my OM-4T bodies and they are MUCH easier for me to focus. I can focus the 1-series screens fine in bright light, but I do a lot of very low light handheld work with 3200 speed film and I can never nail the focus with the 1-series screens, I always end up backfocusing or frontfocusing when shooting fast lenses near wide open. That is almost never a problem with the 2-13. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 4/30/09 7:22 PM, "usher99@aol.com" wrote: > Always wondered if the 1-13 screen in an OM4 provded more out-of-focus > clues than a 2-series screen. Would be interesting to see with a say > F1.2 lens. It would not be a quick or easy experiment. Rachel at > Katzeye has always said that any treatment to increase brightness even > their well regarded Optibirght will reduce focus contrast--sometimes > an OK compromise with the proper screen to start with. There is much > difference between OM screens and DSLR's which are optimized for > different functions but the question remains. Perhaps the 1-13 to 2-13 > comparison is attempting to discern an A+ from an A++, but I've never > seen any comments on that or few negative comments on the 2-series > screen---cept the judging of bokeh is more difficult. (AG-comments in > archives and seems true enough to me) > > Mike > > > > > > To expound on these two points: I could very easily manually focus any > lens > in the OM bodies in difficult and poor lighting conditions. Autofocus > was > about the same speed, but not nearly as accurate. Manually focusing a > lens > in an AF camera is almost a lost cause in comparison to the OM body with > 2-13 screen. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 02:43:33 2009 Received: (qmail 14956 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 00:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 00:43:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE00DE182D4 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C52E24A9B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C73F19F76B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:43:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F031319F767 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:43:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21811 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2009 00:43:23 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 May 2009 00:43:23 -0000 Message-ID: <49FA45AB.9060106@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:43:23 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090430-0, 04/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 02:43:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa45b5273851342116753 From the 2s onward you really need a 2-series screen to make up for the light lost to the semi-silvered mirror (which is needed to feed the metering system). You'll have much better luck focusing with a 1-series screen with an OM-1 or OM-2. Which reminds me. I seem to recall that the screen in an OM-PC/40 is a 2-13 sans tab. Can these be used as 2-13 substitutes disregarding, of course, that there's no tab to grab when changing screens. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > I have 2-13 screens in my OM-4T bodies and they are MUCH easier for me to > focus. I can focus the 1-series screens fine in bright light, but I do a lot > of very low light handheld work with 3200 speed film and I can never nail > the focus with the 1-series screens, I always end up backfocusing or > frontfocusing when shooting fast lenses near wide open. That is almost never > a problem with the 2-13. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 04:08:58 2009 Received: (qmail 24492 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 02:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 02:08:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5D1E18306 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43ADEE24A9B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313481CD4A7 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:08:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FE61CD4A5 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:08:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so1448704yxf.80 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:08:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.248.4 with SMTP id v4mr4593691anh.121.1241143728862; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:08:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49FA45AB.9060106@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49FA45AB.9060106@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:08:48 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0904301908h123bf018pd1aa477157c57c6b@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 04:08:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa59ba228542070262475 On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Which reminds me. =A0I seem to recall that the screen in an OM-PC/40 is a > 2-13 sans tab. =A0Can these be used as 2-13 substitutes disregarding, of > course, that there's no tab to grab when changing screens. My recollection is that it is brighter than a 1 series, but I don't think it is as bright as a 2 series. I recall testing this a few years ago. However, I tested with my eyeballs rather than an objective measuring device. Joel W.. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 04:26:59 2009 Received: (qmail 4840 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 02:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 02:26:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A45E180CC for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A4BE24A9B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9131CD4A9 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:26:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761021CD49D for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:26:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090501022652627.SHSH19475@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 02:26:52 +0000 Message-Id: <1815EA96-8271-42FF-BB97-87DA6F56A629@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0E06738A-F379-4BE0-AF96-E9067E9321DD@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:26:50 -0400 References: <0E06738A-F379-4BE0-AF96-E9067E9321DD@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 16: Copenhagen-Alicante X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 04:26:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa5df3265681838542571 Alt 2, for sure. Not only the dog's expression, but also the owner's. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Apr 30, 2009, at 1:44 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > The week started in Copenhagen and ended in Alicante, so it is one of > my usual mixed bag. But fear not, the attractive se=F1orita is included: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=3D231 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 05:39:17 2009 Received: (qmail 12122 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 03:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 03:39:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E0DE18279 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AEFE24A9B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98DB034AC026 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:39:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C0E34AC025 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:39:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n413d9Tt010360 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:39:10 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <05AAACEEE7FB425681D160E9E1C3E884@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:39:03 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 05:39:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa6ee5139151073733319 The 2-13 screen is much brighter than 1-series screen especially for slow lenses. To me the 2-4 is not easy to confirm focus with some lenses like 35-70/3.6 where contrast is lower. So far for the focusing screens I have tried the Minolta Acute Matte is the best one, although it is not as bright as 2-series screen but you can confirm the focus very easily. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" >I have 2-13 screens in my OM-4T bodies and they are MUCH easier for me to > focus. I can focus the 1-series screens fine in bright light, but I do a > lot > of very low light handheld work with 3200 speed film and I can never nail > the focus with the 1-series screens, I always end up backfocusing or > frontfocusing when shooting fast lenses near wide open. That is almost > never > a problem with the 2-13. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-747-3962 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > > On 4/30/09 7:22 PM, "usher99@aol.com" wrote: > >> Always wondered if the 1-13 screen in an OM4 provded more out-of-focus >> clues than a 2-series screen. Would be interesting to see with a say >> F1.2 lens. It would not be a quick or easy experiment. Rachel at >> Katzeye has always said that any treatment to increase brightness even >> their well regarded Optibirght will reduce focus contrast--sometimes >> an OK compromise with the proper screen to start with. There is much >> difference between OM screens and DSLR's which are optimized for >> different functions but the question remains. Perhaps the 1-13 to 2-13 >> comparison is attempting to discern an A+ from an A++, but I've never >> seen any comments on that or few negative comments on the 2-series >> screen---cept the judging of bokeh is more difficult. (AG-comments in >> archives and seems true enough to me) >> >> Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 06:09:34 2009 Received: (qmail 30751 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 04:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 04:09:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4849AE18302 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892B6E24A9B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A76B19F78A for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:09:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E8D19F6AB for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:09:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f158.google.com (mail-bw0-f158.google.com [209.85.218.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2108869bwz.14 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:09:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.61.137 with SMTP id t9mr2110259bkh.204.1241150965574; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:09:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49FA3251.7030502@chucknorcutt.com> References: <49FA3251.7030502@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:09:25 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 725c6af0ce3308bb Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Day Three Redux X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 06:09:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa75fe49502046811720 > > Do you use the E1 as your "Polaroid" for evaluating exposure when > shooting lots of film? > Well, sorta. But this has been a bit variable in how it manifests itself. For event shooting, I'll utilize the E-1 "Polaroid" feature only as a confirmation or verification of what I have already determined, but in reality I wasn't shooting the cameras in the same manner--one was setup with flash, the other ambient. When I started returning to film in a big way, I was using digital as a compositional tool. But what I discovered this past summer is that the OM system is quite a bit nicer to compose on than digital. Digital as a "Polaroids" for me is pretty much just a means of making sure my artificial lighting isn't casting nasty shadows where I don't want them. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 06:21:05 2009 Received: (qmail 9650 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 04:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 04:21:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7BEE182FA for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A526E24A9B for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD1D34AC025 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:21:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE8B34AC023 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:21:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f158.google.com (mail-bw0-f158.google.com [209.85.218.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2110823bwz.14 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:20:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.54.16 with SMTP id o16mr2148380bkg.146.1241151659215; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:20:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <05AAACEEE7FB425681D160E9E1C3E884@MAIN> References: <05AAACEEE7FB425681D160E9E1C3E884@MAIN> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:20:59 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9a4a8460f21d5486 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 06:21:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa78b113551823421471 The 2-series screen is MUCH more difficult to focus at 35mm. Most importantly, the bokeh of a 2-series screen is really screwed up. The 1-series screens--especially my favorite, the 1-4, is bokeh rich. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 06:32:34 2009 Received: (qmail 20684 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 04:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 04:32:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34DBE1819F for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B81AE24A98 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3CB19F7AB for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:32:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00EA19F7A7 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:32:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl26.gs02.gridserver.com (cl26.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.35]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50931 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl26.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LzkQH-0007Xg-6y for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:32:29 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 00:32:27 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 Thread-Index: AcnKFdTLE2tnizYJEd6n4QAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 06:32:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa7b62178321838542571 You mean the 35mm focal length? I was doing some snapshots of my son with the 35mm f2.8 a few days ago, and noticed it was hard to focus. The matte area was ok but the microprisms didn't seem to work right with that lens. I usually use the 35mm f2, and don't remember that problem with it. I'll have to dig it out and see. The photos were all in focus though so I guess I did good. They were all fairly close shots (2-3 feet) at f4 and f5.6 -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/1/09 12:20 AM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > The 2-series screen is MUCH more difficult to focus at 35mm. > Most importantly, the bokeh of a 2-series screen is really screwed up. The > 1-series screens--especially my favorite, the 1-4, is bokeh rich. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 07:43:12 2009 Received: (qmail 31751 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 05:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 05:43:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C686E18301 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7BAE24A98 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7472E34AC023 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:43:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB37034AC025 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:43:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp04.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp04.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 31.red-83-33-127.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.33.127.31]:63787 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay04.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.44]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1LzlWZ-0001Ry-DK (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Fri, 01 May 2009 06:43:03 +0100 Message-Id: <612B8137-8FAD-4877-9058-5B519163D9AB@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49F8F172.8030601@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 07:43:02 +0200 References: <20090429210713.GD10663@the.earth.li> <49F8F172.8030601@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] A road trip of sorts. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 07:43:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fa8bf0242031823421471 I had exactly the same reaction. It is a hassle having to go back to the index every time. The pictures I did see were very good, though. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:31 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I liked the 1/2 dozen that I looked at but viewing them is tedious > with > no navigation from one image to the next. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Patrick Moore wrote: >> Hi all. >> >> Last weekend I got back from a fortnight trapsing round parts of >> South >> Africa with my much better half. Travelling by a backpackers bus >> there >> was little opertunity to stop and take photos, so the following set >> are >> simply out the window of the bus. But I'm quite happy with these, >> hope you >> like them too; even if they're perhaps a bit over the top in the >> processing... >> >> http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/range.pl?dir=pe_to_capetown >> >> This set are a bit more managed. We made it to the top of Table >> Mountain, >> but the clouds came in. Having said that, I think that worked >> well for >> B&W >> >> http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/range.pl?dir=table_mountain_and_home&offset=11 >> >> thanks for looking. >> >> p. >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 15:03:10 2009 Received: (qmail 2908 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 13:03:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 13:03:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFBEE182E7 for ; 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Fri, 01 May 2009 09:03:21 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB987456B8D452-3B8-2B30@WEBMAIL-DZ19.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 15:04:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49faf347221134673671140 Yes, yes. Granted it is about 1 stop brighter. If the VF is too dim focus contrast doesn't matter much. The "no free lunch" law of physics should dictate thet the increased brightness comes at a cost of reduced focus contrast. So perhaps an F1.2 lens might be more difficult to focus for example---like with DSLR's all would appears fine in the VF, but the nasty surprise would be on the print/slide. The Screens for the DSLR's are purposely made for slower lenses and AF so faster MF lenses can be tricky to use w/o live view focus. Perhaps this is indeed a non-issue in OM but have not seen comments until now. CH's solution is interesting too. Mike I have 2-13 screens in my OM-4T bodies and they are MUCH easier for me to focus. I can focus the 1-series screens fine in bright light, but I do a lot of very low light handheld work with 3200 speed film and I can never nail the focus with the 1-series screens, I always end up backfocusing or frontfocusing when shooting fast lenses near wide open. That is almost never a problem with the 2-13. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 15:19:24 2009 Received: (qmail 956 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 13:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 13:19:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78B8E182E5 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 06:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9CBE24A98 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 06:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3526319E284 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 06:19:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E3C19E297 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 06:19:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 06:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090501131916943.UIOS22077@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:19:16 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CB987456B8D452-3B8-2B30@WEBMAIL-DZ19.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:19:15 -0400 References: <8CB987456B8D452-3B8-2B30@WEBMAIL-DZ19.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 15:19:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49faf6dc157651023412894 On May 1, 2009, at 9:03 AM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > like with DSLR's all would appears fine in the VF, > but the nasty surprise would be on the print/slide. The Screens for > the DSLR's are purposely made for slower lenses and AF so faster MF > lenses can be tricky to use w/o live view focus. Hummm . . . I've got a f/2.8 manual-focus lens strapped on the front of my D3 at the moment. The focus screen is Nykon's standard ground glass, made mostly for autofocus. But I haven't had any trouble to this point. The ground glass pops at focus, and because the lens is "registered" with the camera, the focus sensor still works so when focus is achieved, I get the round dot in the viewfinder. True, when I get down to some serious critical work, I'll use live view magnified for focus just the way I want it, but for the moment I'm still playing with the lens and the shots I've taken have been limited by my abilities, not the equipment. (Full disclosure also requires me to confess the lens is 21mm, which means the depth of field is extremely forgiving of my errors, even on full frame.) --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 17:27:12 2009 Received: (qmail 2763 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 15:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 15:27:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E849AE18301 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 08:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB834E24A98 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 08:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03F019E65A for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 08:27:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4635F19E62F for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 08:26:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 08:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1290 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2009 15:26:49 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090430-0, 04/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 17:27:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb14d0296002336821329 Canon has a separate screen for manual focus of lenses of f/2.8 or faster. But I have to admit that I can't tell much difference. It doesn't make my eyes work any better. I find the gridded screen much more generally useful. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > On May 1, 2009, at 9:03 AM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > >> like with DSLR's all would appears fine in the VF, >> but the nasty surprise would be on the print/slide. The Screens for >> the DSLR's are purposely made for slower lenses and AF so faster MF >> lenses can be tricky to use w/o live view focus. > > Hummm . . . I've got a f/2.8 manual-focus lens strapped on the front > of my D3 at the moment. The focus screen is Nykon's standard ground > glass, made mostly for autofocus. But I haven't had any trouble to > this point. The ground glass pops at focus, and because the lens is > "registered" with the camera, the focus sensor still works so when > focus is achieved, I get the round dot in the viewfinder. True, when I > get down to some serious critical work, I'll use live view magnified > for focus just the way I want it, but for the moment I'm still playing > with the lens and the shots I've taken have been limited by my > abilities, not the equipment. (Full disclosure also requires me to > confess the lens is 21mm, which means the depth of field is extremely > forgiving of my errors, even on full frame.) > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 19:55:03 2009 Received: (qmail 22215 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 17:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 17:55:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E78E182F1 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 10:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567C9E24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 10:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433AE34AC029 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 10:54:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7183934AC024 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 10:54:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-210.ctimail.com [61.93.57.210]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 10:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n41Hssg3000799 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 01:54:54 +0800 Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n41Hsr65001739 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 01:54:54 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB987456B8D452-3B8-2B30@WEBMAIL-DZ19.sysops.aol.com> <49FB14B7.7010504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 01:54:48 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 19:55:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb3777105321591313764 To me the EG-S makes a big difference, I can't get reliable focus even with the 90/2 on the standard screen, there was always a small shift. With the EG-S I can make 100% accurate focus with any OM lenses I tried. It doesn't mean the focus is easy but just much more accurate when I can focus slowly, the problem is the viewfinder darken a lot when EG-S is used. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Canon has a separate screen for manual focus of lenses of f/2.8 or > faster. But I have to admit that I can't tell much difference. It > doesn't make my eyes work any better. I find the gridded screen much > more generally useful. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Bob Whitmire wrote: >> On May 1, 2009, at 9:03 AM, usher99@aol.com wrote: >> >>> like with DSLR's all would appears fine in the VF, >>> but the nasty surprise would be on the print/slide. The Screens for >>> the DSLR's are purposely made for slower lenses and AF so faster MF >>> lenses can be tricky to use w/o live view focus. >> >> Hummm . . . I've got a f/2.8 manual-focus lens strapped on the front >> of my D3 at the moment. The focus screen is Nykon's standard ground >> glass, made mostly for autofocus. But I haven't had any trouble to >> this point. The ground glass pops at focus, and because the lens is >> "registered" with the camera, the focus sensor still works so when >> focus is achieved, I get the round dot in the viewfinder. True, when I >> get down to some serious critical work, I'll use live view magnified >> for focus just the way I want it, but for the moment I'm still playing >> with the lens and the shots I've taken have been limited by my >> abilities, not the equipment. (Full disclosure also requires me to >> confess the lens is 21mm, which means the depth of field is extremely >> forgiving of my errors, even on full frame.) >> >> --Bob Whitmire >> www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 20:19:54 2009 Received: (qmail 11722 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 18:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 18:19:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C45E182FC for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3654EE24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E67534AC024 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:19:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9212634AC023 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:19:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-449fb3d40261; Fri, 01 May 2009 14:19:44 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.ce9.53908537 (34935) for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 14:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.152]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA048-5bc549fb3d07245; Fri, 01 May 2009 14:18:58 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-DZ18 (webmail-dz18.sim.aol.com [205.188.185.32]) by smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB014-5bc549fb3d07245; Fri, 01 May 2009 14:18:47 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 14:18:46 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42812-STANDARD Received: from 75.147.3.221 by WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com (205.188.185.32) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 01 May 2009 14:18:46 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB98A06725A43E-12BC-629@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 20:19:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb3d4a119991234514069 Thanks Bob, chuck, CH and all. I found the original reference, but had to go to the way back machine ---it takes quite a bit to load. http://tinyurl.com/cvl29s I had excerpted Rachel's comments from Katzeye as well in a previous post: I then quieried Rachel at Katzeye on how they achieve both a brighter screen yet retain the ability to accurately manually focus fast glass: I think some have tried Brightscreen screens on the 5D/5DMkII which have helped some in this regard but was not a total solution.? Rachel replied: "Regarding the brightness and focusing of fast glass, that is a legitimate concern and loss of focusing ability is commonly the case with brightness enhancement techniques that apply a coating to the screen.? Essentially, what those coating techniques do is cut down on the diffusion (and by extension, the focusing contrast or 'snap') by smoothing over the surface. I don't want to single anyone out by name, but that general idea is the traditional brightness enhancing technique that's been around for a while and is used by most of the other companies you can find offering brighter screens.? Our process is significantly different, however.? We do not coat the screen and we do not simply smooth over the surface.? The details of our OptiBrite treatment are of course proprietary, but we actually change the structure of the plastic at the microscopic level in a very controlled way to modify the scattering profile for a specific result.? What this allows us to do is maintain the overall level of diffusion so that the focusing contrast remains high and focusing of fast glass is still optimal.? But within the overall diffusion profile, we can preferentially augment specific scattering angles to increase the amount of light that reaches the eye.? So, to make a long story short, the OptiBrite treatment we offer on the Katz Eye screens does not have a negative impact on the focusing of fast glass as is the case with other brightness enhancement processes." After a few more emails she admitted that some focus contrast is ALWAYS lost with any brightening process. They worked it out for FF Canyon but have to waste a bunch of screens as it is tough to get it right consistently. She said the the EG-S is btter with fast glass though is way toooo dark with slower lenses. They are unlikely to market them from what she was saying due to the economics. There is a maxwell treatment. Hmmm Sooo, I'd bet lunch that if one takes 10 shots with the OM-4(t) with a 1-13 screen with Velvia? compared to 10 shots with a 2-series and look at them with a loop using a Z. 50 1.2 wide open that the focus will be nailed at a better rate with the 1-series. Notice that I would not bet my 4T (John has it anyways) Mike Arrgh, back to work -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 20:21:37 2009 Received: (qmail 9637 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 18:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 18:21:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF0EE18279 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59741E24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4310A34AC023 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:21:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3E234AC028 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:21:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-m06.mx.aol.com (imr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.200]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-m06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-449fb3d963d0; Fri, 01 May 2009 14:21:10 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c12.53c0a900 (48624) for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 14:20:49 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:20:37 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.137 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] FS: Can*n 28mm F2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 20:21:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb3db156991869477228 You might want to tell folks which Canon 28mm f2.8 lens it is that he wants to sell. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 21:30:54 2009 Received: (qmail 25160 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 19:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 19:30:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A79E18178 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 12:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BE3E24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 12:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696491CD490 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 12:30:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A27E1CD48C for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 12:30:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.67]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 12:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 33594 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2009 19:30:47 -0000 Message-ID: <428806.32314.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nduNOJcVM1lPcKlPlNTkv4jJQ_fBl92eTF4xGFRwYQfQ210u.YnebUCFpaSD68_01FHlcyJUxfum_NZijphB6rfN3jowYDQbjNwlL1dlC1sxMbKzSmoVZ_3RvIdhzbToiUeBHPKYOCOsIrc6z6VEjoe3DJ0K4vwz2ng3owsKKCQJlQilqS4jGzwps5nJZgCwd1DZMpzvvzFiRsl7hGdDGMZYS.3.yOTppr74JlOItDVn.fMTKF9YVhHjC.XMJ3Y88hRAJgdYMAqhjRPu2A-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 May 2009 12:30:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:30:47 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] [OT] FS: Can*n 28mm F2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 21:30:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb4dee169371529615919 This is an Autofocus EF Mount Canon 28mm F2.8 lens: Highly portable wide-angle lens with a good price-to-performance ratio. Its light weight of 6.5 oz. makes it ideal as your standard wide-angle lens. The high-precision aspherical lens minimizes distortion and other aberrations for sharp and high-contrast images. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 22:15:39 2009 Received: (qmail 31173 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 20:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 20:15:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD15E18304 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2D3E24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8222434AC026 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:15:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E9134AC025 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:15:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 5 mons 17 days 00:39:50 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-54-133.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.54.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n41KFNXm017935 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 17:15:24 -0300 Message-ID: <49FB5865.1090602@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 17:15:33 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49FA1492.9060509@verizon.net> <49FA1EA8.50400@dementia.org> <49FA21C5.1020904@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <49FA21C5.1020904@verizon.net> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] refurbed OM-4Ti rec'd from Olympus X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 22:15:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb586b260761234514069 Damn ... yes, I'd return it without hesitation :-( Fernando. Russ Butler wrote: > Mark Dapoz wrote: > >> Russ Butler said the following on 4/30/09 5:13 PM: >> [snip !] > > I'm sure you are right about the display & I intend to return it. > > Thanks, > > Russ Butler (NJ USA) > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 22:20:45 2009 Received: (qmail 4985 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 20:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 20:20:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0793DE182D4 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D4EE24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE39119ECC9 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:20:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6635819ECC8 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:20:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8CEC9745 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 21:45:31 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <612B8137-8FAD-4877-9058-5B519163D9AB@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 21:20:38 +0100 References: <20090429210713.GD10663@the.earth.li> <49F8F172.8030601@chucknorcutt.com> <612B8137-8FAD-4877-9058-5B519163D9AB@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] A road trip of sorts. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 22:20:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb599d319481499373980 As I wrote to Chuck, Nathan, if you open them in tabs it's easy to move from image to image. Chris On 1 May 2009, at 06:43, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I had exactly the same reaction. It is a hassle having to go back to > the index every time. The pictures I did see were very good, though. > > Nathan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 22:31:49 2009 Received: (qmail 22220 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 20:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 20:31:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3A8E182FA for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54756E24A98 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AEA1CD4B3 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 13:31:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE5A1CD4B5 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 22:31:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb5c35135481499373980 I went to the May Day demo in the centre of Alicante this afternoon, and resolved to stick with one lens, the 24mm and to use my legs to get closer...I think I did get close enough: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#525765035_Lr5yB-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 1 23:13:03 2009 Received: (qmail 18175 invoked by uid 0); 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Fri, 01 May 2009 17:12:30 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 1 23:13:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb65df67377350615338 http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf200exr/page2.asp Moose might be amused that low light performance a few generations later still doesn't really exceed the F30/31--the latter are still expensive. Not many Moose sightings of late. A Trace Worried Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 00:27:10 2009 Received: (qmail 2069 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 22:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 22:27:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F852E182E8 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387DBE24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF561CD4AB for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:27:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D19E1CD4A9 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:27:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18501 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2009 22:26:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090501-0, 05/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 00:27:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb773e281934673671140 Thanks for that. It explains a lot including why CH and I had different views of the effectiveness of the Canon fast glass focusing screen. The reason I've never seen the difference is that I was still shooting at small apertures and DOF has probably been covering my errors. I'll have to watch out in the future. Recommended reading. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Thanks Bob, chuck, CH and all. I found the original reference, but had > to go to the way back machine ---it takes quite a bit to load. > > http://tinyurl.com/cvl29s > > > I had excerpted Rachel's comments from Katzeye as well in a previous > post: > > > I then quieried Rachel at Katzeye on how they achieve both a brighter > screen > yet retain the ability to accurately manually focus fast glass: > I think some have tried Brightscreen screens on the 5D/5DMkII which > have helped some > in this regard but was not a total solution.? > > > > > Rachel replied: > > "Regarding the brightness and focusing of fast glass, that is a > legitimate > concern and loss of focusing ability is commonly the case with > brightness > enhancement techniques that apply a coating to the screen.? Essentially, > what those coating techniques do is cut down on the diffusion (and by > extension, the focusing contrast or 'snap') by smoothing over the > surface. > I don't want to single anyone out by name, but that general idea is the > traditional brightness enhancing technique that's been around for a > while > and is used by most of the other companies you can find offering > brighter > screens.? Our process is significantly different, however.? We do not > coat > the screen and we do not simply smooth over the surface.? The details > of our > OptiBrite treatment are of course proprietary, but we actually change > the > structure of the plastic at the microscopic level in a very controlled > way > to modify the scattering profile for a specific result.? What this > allows us > to do is maintain the overall level of diffusion so that the focusing > contrast remains high and focusing of fast glass is still optimal.? But > within the overall diffusion profile, we can preferentially augment > specific > scattering angles to increase the amount of light that reaches the > eye.? So, > to make a long story short, the OptiBrite treatment we offer on the > Katz Eye > screens does not have a negative impact on the focusing of fast glass > as is > the case with other brightness enhancement processes." > > After a few more emails she admitted that some focus contrast is ALWAYS > lost with any brightening process. > They worked it out for FF Canyon but have to waste a bunch of screens > as it is tough to get it right consistently. > She said the the EG-S is btter with fast glass though is way toooo dark > with slower lenses. They are unlikely to market them from what she was > saying due to the economics. There is a maxwell treatment. Hmmm > > Sooo, > I'd bet lunch that if one takes 10 shots with the OM-4(t) with a 1-13 > screen with Velvia? compared to 10 shots with a 2-series and look at > them with a loop > using a Z. 50 1.2 wide open that the focus will be nailed at a better > rate with the 1-series. > Notice that I would not bet my 4T (John has it anyways) > > Mike > Arrgh, back to work -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 00:32:05 2009 Received: (qmail 13760 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 22:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 22:32:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4B1E182FC for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED33E24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6D334AC025 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:31:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4068834AC024 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:31:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21328 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2009 22:31:58 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090501-0, 05/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 00:32:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb7865284691023412894 Good shot. Good DOF. Well done! Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I went to the May Day demo in the centre of Alicante this afternoon, > and resolved to stick with one lens, the 24mm and to use my legs to > get closer...I think I did get close enough: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#525765035_Lr5yB-O-LB > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 00:43:07 2009 Received: (qmail 29114 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 22:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 22:43:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1EAE18302 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46674E24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FB819ED32 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:43:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8167819ED31 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 15:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26784 invoked by uid 504); 1 May 2009 22:43:01 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090501-0, 05/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 00:43:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb7afb291057350615338 Interesting. Thanks for the link. Chuck Norcutt... also wondering where's the Moose. usher99@aol.com wrote: > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf200exr/page2.asp > > Moose might be amused that low light performance a few generations > later still doesn't really exceed the F30/31--the latter are still > expensive. > > Not many Moose sightings of late. > > A Trace Worried Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 01:41:49 2009 Received: (qmail 30547 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2009 23:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 May 2009 23:41:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDCFE182D9 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 16:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AD9E24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 16:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3355434AC023 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 16:41:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610E934AC024 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 16:41:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-246.ctimail.com [61.93.57.246]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 16:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n41NfeF1015653 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 07:41:40 +0800 Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n41Nfd9d021680 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 07:41:39 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 07:41:18 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 01:41:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb88bd12201591313764 It is a little strange, for ISO800 test the F31fd was using 1/340s F5.6 but the F200EXR was using 1/75s F12! It will sure hurt the details. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 5:12 AM Subject: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf200exr/page2.asp > > Moose might be amused that low light performance a few generations > later still doesn't really exceed the F30/31--the latter are still > expensive. > > Not many Moose sightings of late. > > A Trace Worried Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 02:11:46 2009 Received: (qmail 14378 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 00:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 00:11:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5623E182E3 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 17:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B22FE24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 17:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74081CD4AD for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 17:11:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C0E1CD4AC for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 17:11:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KIZ001YNPVETIU0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 01 May 2009 21:11:38 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-164-128.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.164.128]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 01 May 2009 21:11:37 -0300 Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 21:11:38 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <0F2AA7A0974649F099CC72426787878E@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIJAHMs+0kY4KSA/2dsb2JhbACBSohwxAQHg3YF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,281,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="491735302" References: <03319FC8-D235-4C6E-8F21-EB1D06281556@frozenlight.eu> <49FB785E.50903@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 02:11:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb8fc2111694673671140 I am constantly amazed how people with minimum 8 to 10 hour day jobs, commutes to and from home and family life to take care of have time to be regular posters of PAD galleries. Me, I am out and gone at 7am and am rarely home much before 7pm and that is a regular day. I guess that those on government payrolls enjoy 6 and 7 hour days .......... ah what a life ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough > Good shot. Good DOF. Well done! > > Chuck Norcutt > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> I went to the May Day demo in the centre of Alicante this afternoon, >> and resolved to stick with one lens, the 24mm and to use my legs to >> get closer...I think I did get close enough: >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#525765035_Lr5yB-O-LB >> >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 02:33:19 2009 Received: (qmail 18276 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 00:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 00:33:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A4DE182FB for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 17:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EBDE24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 17:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DD21CD4AC for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 17:33:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA701CD4B1 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 17:33:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 17:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16668 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2009 00:33:09 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090501-0, 05/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 02:33:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb94cf161431257536491 Yikes! Such a small camera shouldn't even have an f/12. :-) Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > It is a little strange, for ISO800 test the F31fd was using 1/340s F5.6 but > the F200EXR was using 1/75s F12! It will sure hurt the details. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 5:12 AM > Subject: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate > > >> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf200exr/page2.asp >> >> Moose might be amused that low light performance a few generations >> later still doesn't really exceed the F30/31--the latter are still >> expensive. >> >> Not many Moose sightings of late. >> >> A Trace Worried Mike > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 03:06:45 2009 Received: (qmail 2155 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 01:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 01:06:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A5DE182F9 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C6DE24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0D034AC025 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:06:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE7934AC024 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:06:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m25.mail.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-m25.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-349fb9cae3e4; Fri, 01 May 2009 21:06:54 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.bdf.4e64fae1 (48552) for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 21:06:22 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 21:07:31 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] another sticky question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 03:06:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fb9ca5194254673671140 I have wooden (bamboo) camera that I have managed to loosen the tripod mount on. It is metal & attached with three screws. It is sunk into a hole in the bamboo. I want to re-attach and wonder what suggestions folks on the group might have about what sticky stuff to use in addition to the screws? Walt has already sent his suggestion from the other side . . . epoxy! <{B^) Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 03:30:48 2009 Received: (qmail 69 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 01:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 01:30:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E40E182DD for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3378AE24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1838F34AC026 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:30:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9044534AC025 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:30:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (gmcgrath@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-m13.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-449fba23217d; Fri, 01 May 2009 21:30:26 -0400 Received: from GMcGrath@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.d24.47bdb156 (42808) for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 21:30:10 -0400 (EDT) From: GMcGrath@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 21:30:10 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] "Native" ISO of DSLR sensors X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 03:30:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fba24831523675314703 I apologize if this has been discussed before, but I missed it if it was. = I read something to the effect that there is a "native" ISO to camera = sensors, and faster speeds are accomplished by turning up the gain. (I thin= k we = all know this.) The interesting part was that the item also stated that = some camera manufacturers allow users to select lower ISOs, but they don't = give any improvement in image quality over the native ISO. For instance, t= he = sensor's native ISO might be 200, and selecting an ISO of 100 wouldn't giv= e = you any better results (other than selecting a slightly different shutter = speed or aperture). Is this a valid concept? If so, does anyone know what = the native ISO of the various Oly DSLRs is? I'm particularly interested in = the 510 and 520, since I have one of each. = Thanks! Greg **************Join ChristianMingle.com=AE FREE! Meet Christian Singles in = your area. 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The toothpicks are hardwood, so they will grip a screw, and the glue will hold them in place, while being pliable enough to avoid cracking. If the holes are still precise enough to allow you to tighten the screws securely, then some sort of epoxy might be called for. The screws would clamp it in place until everything sets up hard. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: [OM] another sticky question >I have wooden (bamboo) camera that I have managed to loosen the tripod > mount on. It is metal & attached with three screws. It is sunk into a > hole > in the bamboo. I want to re-attach and wonder what suggestions folks on > the > group might have about what sticky stuff to use in addition to the > screws? > Walt has already sent his suggestion from the other side . . . epoxy! > <{B^) Bill Barber > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 03:49:19 2009 Received: (qmail 17421 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 01:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 01:49:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DF7E182E3 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86D0E24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7AA34AC025 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:49:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0689334AC024 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:49:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:49:11 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n421n4GV027016 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 01:49:10 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:49:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] "Native" ISO of DSLR sensors X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 03:49:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fba69f32411529615919 Interesting question. I see very little difference in resolution between = 100 and 200 on my E-510. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- = From: To: Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:30 PM Subject: [OM] "Native" ISO of DSLR sensors >I apologize if this has been discussed before, but I missed it if it was. > > I read something to the effect that there is a "native" ISO to camera > sensors, and faster speeds are accomplished by turning up the gain. (I = > think we > all know this.) The interesting part was that the item also stated that > some camera manufacturers allow users to select lower ISOs, but they = > don't > give any improvement in image quality over the native ISO. For instance, = > the > sensor's native ISO might be 200, and selecting an ISO of 100 wouldn't = > give > you any better results (other than selecting a slightly different shutter > speed or aperture). Is this a valid concept? If so, does anyone know what > the native ISO of the various Oly DSLRs is? I'm particularly interested = > in > the 510 and 520, since I have one of each. > > Thanks! > Greg > > > **************Join ChristianMingle.com=AE FREE! Meet Christian Singles in > your area. Start now! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221673648x1201419171/aol?redir= =3Dhttp://www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html%3Fcat%3Dadbuy%26 > src%3Dplatforma%26adid%3Dfooter:050109%26newurl%3Dreg_path.html) > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 03:55:01 2009 Received: (qmail 27813 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 01:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 01:55:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7B5E182F9 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA16E24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940B234AC025 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:54:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D4F34AC023 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:54:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-m06.mx.aol.com (imr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.200]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 18:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-m06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-249fba7e13cd; Fri, 01 May 2009 21:54:41 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c87.4d527807 (48552) for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 21:54:21 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 21:55:30 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] another sticky question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 03:55:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fba7f580322336821329 In a message dated 5/1/2009 8:46:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jhnichols@lighttube.net writes: Bill, I have used pieces cut from toothpicks, along with Elmer's Glue, to restore wallowed out holes in wood. The toothpicks are hardwood, so they will grip a screw, and the glue will hold them in place, while being pliable enough to avoid cracking. If the holes are still precise enough to allow you to tighten the screws securely, then some sort of epoxy might be called for. The screws would clamp it in place until everything sets up hard. These screws are about 1/4 inch long. I've used the toothpick elmers technique with great success in the past. I can rotate the tripod socket to avoid using the same holes, however I was thinking it might be nice to really firmly attach the fitting with a little sticky help. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 04:00:30 2009 Received: (qmail 6828 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 02:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 02:00:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4583E182EE for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00FDE24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF471CD49A for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:00:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E311CD498 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:00:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (doug9345@localnet.com whitelisted) Received: from extsmtp3.localnet.com (extsmtp3.localnet.com [207.251.201.55]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28738 invoked by uid 1011); 2 May 2009 02:00:23 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bolster (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 3.269543 secs); 02 May 2009 02:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp3.localnet.com with SMTP; 2 May 2009 02:00:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 6858 invoked from network); 2 May 2009 02:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-14-108.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.14.108]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 May 2009 02:00:19 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:08:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905012208.45344.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] "Native" ISO of DSLR sensors X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 04:00:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fba93e44751073733319 On Friday, May 01, 2009 21:30, GMcGrath@aol.com wrote: > I apologize if this has been discussed before, but I missed it if it was. > > I read something to the effect that there is a "native" ISO to camera > sensors, and faster speeds are accomplished by turning up the gain. I don't own a Digital camera, but I'm not sure how you would define native ISO. It would seem to me that a camera what have a certain ISO at a given noise level. I assume there has to be some sort of gain to drive the A to D converters. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 04:02:27 2009 Received: (qmail 17229 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 02:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 02:02:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BAAE182DB for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267FFE24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109D334AC028 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:02:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B59C34AC023 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:02:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:02:21 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4222Frq023441 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:02:19 GMT Message-ID: <1B508B7A06824ADAAAA3B233D0DD8A88@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 21:02:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] another sticky question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 04:02:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fba9b3280571342116753 Bill, There are so many bonding agents out there today that I would have a hard time making a choice. I would think that those advertised to bond to both metal and wood would be a place to start. Good luck. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [OM] another sticky question > > In a message dated 5/1/2009 8:46:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > jhnichols@lighttube.net writes: > > Bill, > > I have used pieces cut from toothpicks, along with Elmer's Glue, to > restore > wallowed out holes in wood. The toothpicks are hardwood, so they will > grip > a screw, and the glue will hold them in place, while being pliable enough > to > avoid cracking. > > If the holes are still precise enough to allow you to tighten the screws > securely, then some sort of epoxy might be called for. The screws would > clamp it in place until everything sets up hard. > > > > > > These screws are about 1/4 inch long. I've used the toothpick elmers > technique with great success in the past. I can rotate the tripod > socket to > avoid using the same holes, however I was thinking it might be nice to > really firmly attach the fitting with a little sticky help. Bill Barber > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 04:14:32 2009 Received: (qmail 30263 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 02:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 02:14:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7EF8E182F8 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CDFE24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB7F1CD49B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:14:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EFD1CD498 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:14:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29894 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2009 02:14:23 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 May 2009 02:14:23 -0000 Message-ID: <49FBAC7E.3000204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 22:14:22 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090501-0, 05/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] another sticky question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 04:14:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fbac88117881499373980 My normal way to repair such a thing would be to drill out the screw holes to accept small pieces of dowel which are then glued into the substrate using a quality carpenter's glue. Sand or file the end flush with the substrate and then make new screw holes into the dowels. Just two days ago I happened to see in the supermarket (for the first time ever) the perfect dowels for you. They were bamboo skewers beside the charcoal display. They were perfectly turned bamboo dowels perhaps 18-24" long and about 3/16 (5mm) diameter. To effect this repair I assume you will have some means of controlling the drill depth so you don't just break through the bottom plate into the film chamber. I have effected cruder repairs in wood screw holes by jamming the ends of multiple round, wooden toothpicks into the screw holes after first filling the holes with wood glue. Then cut off the stubs and file or sand flush as above. You could try this first as an easy fix and then, if that doesn't hold well, drill everything back out and repair as in the first method with dowels. Chuck Norcutt NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > I have wooden (bamboo) camera that I have managed to loosen the tripod > mount on. It is metal & attached with three screws. It is sunk into a hole > in the bamboo. I want to re-attach and wonder what suggestions folks on the > group might have about what sticky stuff to use in addition to the screws? > Walt has already sent his suggestion from the other side . . . epoxy! > <{B^) Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 04:32:40 2009 Received: (qmail 9860 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 02:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 02:32:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B30E182E6 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AA4E24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329BC34AC024 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:32:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA1234AC023 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:32:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 19:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5987 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2009 02:32:31 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090501-0, 05/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] "Native" ISO of DSLR sensors X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 04:32:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fbb0c8312411529615919 I can't answer the question specific to Oly but I can validate some of = your comments by explaining how a Canon 5D works. The 5D's native ISO = is clearly ISO 100. One can select any ISO level in 1/3 stop increments = between ISO 100 and ISO 1600. But the camera also offers ISO 50 and ISO = 3200. But these values are not normally selectable unless you quite = deliberately enter the custom function menu and select "ISO Expansion" = to enable these "LO" and "HI" settings. In fact, when you turn the ISO = dial to it's lowest or highest setttings you don't see 50 or 3200. You = see "L" (for low) and "H" for high). Also, there are no 1/3 stop = increments between 50 and 100 or 1600 and 3200. Although the manual clearly states that low =3D 50 and high =3D 3200 the = special treatment of the boundary values tell me clearly that this is = Canon's roundabout way of saying: "Well, we've put them there if you = really want to use them but we don't really recommend it because the = quality doesn't really meet our standards." 3200 is clearly noisier than 1600. There is presumably something lesser = about 50 relative to 100 from having to throttle the signal but I don't = know what it is. I've only used it once when trying to work around some = daylight fill flash problems. It helped get the exposure but the shots = were never used and I never examined them critically. Chuck Norcutt GMcGrath@aol.com wrote: > I apologize if this has been discussed before, but I missed it if it was. > = > I read something to the effect that there is a "native" ISO to camera = > sensors, and faster speeds are accomplished by turning up the gain. (I th= ink we = > all know this.) The interesting part was that the item also stated that = > some camera manufacturers allow users to select lower ISOs, but they don= 't = > give any improvement in image quality over the native ISO. For instance,= the = > sensor's native ISO might be 200, and selecting an ISO of 100 wouldn't g= ive = > you any better results (other than selecting a slightly different shutte= r = > speed or aperture). Is this a valid concept? If so, does anyone know wha= t = > the native ISO of the various Oly DSLRs is? 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(VPS 090501-0, 05/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] another sticky question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 04:37:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fbb1fc298481744846740 Well, that 1/4" screw and your willingness to rotate and glue the fixture to the camera puts a little different perspective on the problem. And Walt had the right answer all along Chuck Norcutt NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/1/2009 8:46:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > jhnichols@lighttube.net writes: > > Bill, > > I have used pieces cut from toothpicks, along with Elmer's Glue, to > restore > wallowed out holes in wood. The toothpicks are hardwood, so they will > grip > a screw, and the glue will hold them in place, while being pliable enough > to > avoid cracking. > > If the holes are still precise enough to allow you to tighten the screws > securely, then some sort of epoxy might be called for. The screws would > clamp it in place until everything sets up hard. > > > > > > These screws are about 1/4 inch long. I've used the toothpick elmers > technique with great success in the past. I can rotate the tripod socket to > avoid using the same holes, however I was thinking it might be nice to > really firmly attach the fitting with a little sticky help. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 07:50:07 2009 Received: (qmail 5963 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 05:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 05:50:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD75E182F2 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 22:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51605E24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 22:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F44A34AC023 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 22:49:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D244D34AC025 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 22:49:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 22:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11678 invoked from network); 2 May 2009 05:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 May 2009 05:49:17 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: <556F6FD7-3AB9-449E-BE28-6F1882412ECE@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 15:49:20 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 07:50:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fbdf0f129461470116606 As good in some aspects, not quite so good in others. However, it also has 12mp high resolution mode and high dynamic range 6mp mode which are excellent. I have a sample at the moment - really nice to use. Even those three EXR modes can be tweaked to suit yourself or circumstance. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/05/2009, at 7:12 AM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf200exr/page2.asp > > Moose might be amused that low light performance a few generations > later still doesn't really exceed the F30/31--the latter are still > expensive. > > Not many Moose sightings of late. > > A Trace Worried Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 08:07:25 2009 Received: (qmail 7729 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 06:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 06:07:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DE8E18200 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 23:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB95BE24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 23:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC4634AC024 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 23:07:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6D734AC023 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 23:07:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp00.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp00.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 23:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 31.red-83-33-127.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.33.127.31]:65252 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay00.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.40]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1M08NW-0004QQ-0H (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Sat, 02 May 2009 07:07:14 +0100 Message-Id: <24AA44AA-1CC6-43FD-916C-4CDABA009DA7@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0F2AA7A0974649F099CC72426787878E@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 08:07:13 +0200 References: <03319FC8-D235-4C6E-8F21-EB1D06281556@frozenlight.eu> <49FB785E.50903@chucknorcutt.com> <0F2AA7A0974649F099CC72426787878E@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 08:07:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fbe31d130391257536491 John, to me photography is a very important part of my life, and I posted weekly pictures and occasional galleries also when I lived in the Netherlands prior to moving to Spain in the fall of 2007. Back then, I was also gone 12 hours each day, but I still found time to take pictures and post them. Yes, now I work in the public sector (an EU agency) but my working day is roughly the same as it was in the private sector before, 8-9 hours. The difference is that I have traded a 120 km commute on a crowded motorway which took 1.5-2 hours each way for a pleasant 20-minutes drive along the Mediterranean. So the time spent working is the same, the time wasted on commuting is 3 hours less each day. That has done wonders for my energy levels after coming home from work. Do not assume that everyone who posts a lot has a cushy job with a 6- hour day. It is all a matter of priorities. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 2, 2009, at 2:11 AM, John Hudson wrote: > I am constantly amazed how people with minimum 8 to 10 hour day jobs, > commutes to and from home and family life to take care of have time > to be > regular posters of PAD galleries. > > Me, I am out and gone at 7am and am rarely home much before 7pm and > that is > a regular day. > > I guess that those on government payrolls enjoy 6 and 7 hour > days .......... > ah what a life ! > > jh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough > > >> Good shot. Good DOF. Well done! >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>> I went to the May Day demo in the centre of Alicante this afternoon, >>> and resolved to stick with one lens, the 24mm and to use my legs to >>> get closer...I think I did get close enough: >>> >>> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#525765035_Lr5yB-O-LB >>> >>> Nathan >>> >>> Nathan Wajsman >>> Alicante, Spain >>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>> >>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 08:24:34 2009 Received: (qmail 8961 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 06:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 06:24:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4085E18178 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 23:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F07FE24A9B for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 23:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBC334AC025 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 23:24:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF3234AC023 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 23:24:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 23:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16236 invoked from network); 2 May 2009 06:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 May 2009 06:24:20 -0000 In-Reply-To: <24AA44AA-1CC6-43FD-916C-4CDABA009DA7@frozenlight.eu> References: <03319FC8-D235-4C6E-8F21-EB1D06281556@frozenlight.eu> <49FB785E.50903@chucknorcutt.com> <0F2AA7A0974649F099CC72426787878E@hudson> <24AA44AA-1CC6-43FD-916C-4CDABA009DA7@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <0AEC74E2-1250-473C-B9AF-098223E2F720@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 16:24:23 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 08:24:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fbe722261231823421471 I do - 6 hours in the public sector with a 20min commute and I can work when I want. No meetings, administrative nonsense and so on. Of course, I earned this with near 30 years of MUCH longer days with a serious workload at home, interminable and nonsensical government initiatives, deranged 'clients', countless tasks for which I had little or no training...and so on. It's Emergency/Casual Relief/Supply teaching. Of course, I don't get paid if I don't work, or for holiday periods or if I'm sick or for a month after I did the work...so it'd be lousy pay if I didn't have a pension to back it up and of course you can always be ambushed by 9C (anywhere on the planet, at any point in history, 9C are always demon spawn). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/05/2009, at 4:07 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Do not assume that everyone who posts a lot has a cushy job with a 6- > hour day. It is all a matter of priorities. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 11:15:46 2009 Received: (qmail 25768 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 09:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 09:15:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE942E18300 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70217E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEF634AC025 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:15:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801C734AC024 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:15:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp08.online.nl (smtp08.online.nl [194.134.42.53]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp08.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E6766377 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:15:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:15:35 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:15:33 +0200 Message-ID: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <0F2AA7A0974649F099CC72426787878E@hudson> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp08.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 11:15:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc0f42107522336821329 Nice shot indeed. I am also amazed about the frequency of the PAD/PAW shots Nathan produces. I am not wondering however. He takes his camera(s) everywhere ant takes photos from people at work too. He lives quite close to his work, so commuting time is not a biggie. That leaves more time for family and photography. As he works for the government indeed (as I do for the Dutch government) he might have a workweek of 36 hours or choose to work 40 hours and have an extra holiday for every two weeks worked. He could use that to have half a day of every week or a whole day off every two weeks. As for myself I really like the idea of taking the camera everywhere, but I do have to commute. I leave home at 6.30AM to come home at 6.15 PM (or later whene a meeting is held a bit later). I already take my laptop and some papers everywhere during the week to work in the train. Not much room left in the rucksack to pack the E-1 of E-3 with one lens. Maybe some day I will get an additional E-4xx with simple lens for that cause. I will have to leave my bread at home then though an buy lunch at the office. I am stil wondering however if I will be able to make some shots while commuting. I am not that much of a people photographer and train stations and trains will have lots of people in them. Can immagine that most people do not like to being photographed early in the morning when they ar commuting to their work. Just checked my work schedule (I work 4x9=36h one week and 4x9+8=44h the other week) Mandatory free days for 2009: newyear, Good Friday, Easter Monday, Koninginnedag/Queens day (April 30), Liberation day (May 5), Ascencion day, Whit Monday, Christmas day =8 days off (December 26 is a free day too but on a Saturday this year) Extra free days because the governmental offices are closed for 2009: January 2, May 22 = 2 days off I have a yearly amount of 176 hours to spend on holidays, which would be about 4,5 weeks. Because I work an average of 40 hours a week I also have 220 hours to spend for the difference betweek working 36 and 40 hours. Our government wants their employees to work for an average of 36 hours a week. Sure that is a lot of free days, but most are available for people in commercial positions in the Netherlands also. In many companies however there is a choice to make between more holidays and more money. Many commercial workers choose the extra money from that offering. If they made that choice, they should not complain about lack of holidays. I know that on the Western side of the Atlantic these figures are quite different. I have heard about people being able te get tw weeks off per year only and that only after they have worked for that company for at least a certain amount of time. Yes, I know that when it comes to days off we in Europe but especially some countries in Europe, including the Netherlands, have nothing to complain about and live in great whealth. You won't hear me complaining :-) Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] > Verzonden: zaterdag 2 mei 2009 2:12 > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough > > > I am constantly amazed how people with minimum 8 to 10 hour day jobs, > commutes to and from home and family life to take care of > have time to be > regular posters of PAD galleries. > > Me, I am out and gone at 7am and am rarely home much before > 7pm and that is > a regular day. > > I guess that those on government payrolls enjoy 6 and 7 hour > days .......... > ah what a life ! > > jh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough > > > > Good shot. Good DOF. Well done! > > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> I went to the May Day demo in the centre of Alicante this > afternoon, > >> and resolved to stick with one lens, the 24mm and to use > my legs to > >> get closer...I think I did get close enough: > >> > >> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#525765035_Lr5yB-O-LB > >> > >> Nathan > >> > >> Nathan Wajsman > >> Alicante, Spain > >> http://www.frozenlight.eu > >> http://www.greatpix.eu > >> http://www.nathanfoto.com > >> > >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > >> > >> > >> > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.9/2087 - Release > Date: 05/01/09 06:17:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 11:19:01 2009 Received: (qmail 17347 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 09:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 09:19:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FABE182DC for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0DFE24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473EC34AC024 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:18:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE41C34AC023 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:18:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp05.online.nl (smtp05.online.nl [194.134.41.35]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp05.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp05.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B0752242 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:18:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp05.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:18:54 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:18:52 +0200 Message-ID: <08E7112D11394FCD8474724CDE295D34@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <0AEC74E2-1250-473C-B9AF-098223E2F720@people.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp05.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 11:19:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc1005298161744846740 Eh, what is 9C? Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] > Verzonden: zaterdag 2 mei 2009 8:24 > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough > > > I do - 6 hours in the public sector with a 20min commute and I can > work when I want. No meetings, administrative nonsense and so > on. Of course, I earned this with near 30 years of MUCH > longer days with > a serious workload at home, interminable and nonsensical government > initiatives, deranged 'clients', countless tasks for which I had > little or no training...and so on. > It's Emergency/Casual Relief/Supply teaching. Of course, I don't get > paid if I don't work, or for holiday periods or if I'm sick or for a > month after I did the work...so it'd be lousy pay if I didn't have a > pension to back it up and of course you can always be ambushed by 9C > (anywhere on the planet, at any point in history, 9C are > always demon > spawn). > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/05/2009, at 4:07 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > > Do not assume that everyone who posts a lot has a cushy job > with a 6- > > hour day. It is all a matter of priorities. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.9/2087 - Release > Date: 05/01/09 06:17:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 11:55:21 2009 Received: (qmail 6279 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 09:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 09:55:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5ACE182DC for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98ACDE24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B8119E030 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:55:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB99819E007 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:55:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp04.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp04.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 02:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 31.red-83-33-127.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.33.127.31]:49177 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay04.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.44]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1M0Bw7-0004d1-Ek (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Sat, 02 May 2009 10:55:12 +0100 Message-Id: <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:55:10 +0200 References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 11:55:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc1889181751234514069 Our official working week is 37.5 hours, i.e. 7.5 hours per day. I have a reasonably senior position, so in practice I work a bit more, and sometimes also on weekends (but from home). However, I have no complaints regarding time off. I have about 7 weeks vacation per year, and in addition Spain has many more public holidays than the Netherlands (18, to be precise). Finally, our office is closed between Christmas and New Year, so my annual winter trek to Poland only costs me a couple of days from the vacation allotment. My commute is by car. I typically leave work between 5 and 6 p.m. and sometimes stop for a beer along the beach on my way home. Also, sometimes interesting things happen at work. For that reason, my little Domke bag with the Leica outfit always accompanies me to work. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 2, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > Nice shot indeed. > > I am also amazed about the frequency of the PAD/PAW shots Nathan > produces. I am not wondering however. He takes his camera(s) > everywhere > ant takes photos from people at work too. He lives quite close to his > work, so commuting time is not a biggie. That leaves more time for > family and photography. As he works for the government indeed (as I do > for the Dutch government) he might have a workweek of 36 hours or > choose > to work 40 hours and have an extra holiday for every two weeks worked. > He could use that to have half a day of every week or a whole day off > every two weeks. > > As for myself I really like the idea of taking the camera everywhere, > but I do have to commute. I leave home at 6.30AM to come home at > 6.15 PM > (or later whene a meeting is held a bit later). I already take my > laptop > and some papers everywhere during the week to work in the train. Not > much room left in the rucksack to pack the E-1 of E-3 with one lens. > Maybe some day I will get an additional E-4xx with simple lens for > that > cause. I will have to leave my bread at home then though an buy > lunch at > the office. I am stil wondering however if I will be able to make some > shots while commuting. I am not that much of a people photographer and > train stations and trains will have lots of people in them. Can > immagine > that most people do not like to being photographed early in the > morning > when they ar commuting to their work. > > Just checked my work schedule (I work 4x9=36h one week and 4x9+8=44h > the > other week) > Mandatory free days for 2009: newyear, Good Friday, Easter Monday, > Koninginnedag/Queens day (April 30), Liberation day (May 5), Ascencion > day, Whit Monday, Christmas day =8 days off (December 26 is a free day > too but on a Saturday this year) > Extra free days because the governmental offices are closed for 2009: > January 2, May 22 = 2 days off > I have a yearly amount of 176 hours to spend on holidays, which > would be > about 4,5 weeks. > Because I work an average of 40 hours a week I also have 220 hours to > spend for the difference betweek working 36 and 40 hours. Our > government > wants their employees to work for an average of 36 hours a week. Sure > that is a lot of free days, but most are available for people in > commercial positions in the Netherlands also. In many companies > however > there is a choice to make between more holidays and more money. Many > commercial workers choose the extra money from that offering. If they > made that choice, they should not complain about lack of holidays. > > I know that on the Western side of the Atlantic these figures are > quite > different. I have heard about people being able te get tw weeks off > per > year only and that only after they have worked for that company for at > least a certain amount of time. Yes, I know that when it comes to days > off we in Europe but especially some countries in Europe, including > the > Netherlands, have nothing to complain about and live in great whealth. > You won't hear me complaining :-) > > Wiliam > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] >> Verzonden: zaterdag 2 mei 2009 2:12 >> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Onderwerp: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough >> >> >> I am constantly amazed how people with minimum 8 to 10 hour day jobs, >> commutes to and from home and family life to take care of >> have time to be >> regular posters of PAD galleries. >> >> Me, I am out and gone at 7am and am rarely home much before >> 7pm and that is >> a regular day. >> >> I guess that those on government payrolls enjoy 6 and 7 hour >> days .......... >> ah what a life ! >> >> jh >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough >> >> >>> Good shot. Good DOF. Well done! >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>> I went to the May Day demo in the centre of Alicante this >> afternoon, >>>> and resolved to stick with one lens, the 24mm and to use >> my legs to >>>> get closer...I think I did get close enough: >>>> >>>> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#525765035_Lr5yB-O-LB >>>> >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>> Alicante, Spain >>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>> >>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.9/2087 - Release >> Date: 05/01/09 06:17:00 >> >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 12:17:13 2009 Received: (qmail 23798 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 10:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 10:17:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88331E182E8 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 03:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF16AE24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 03:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E45619E093 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 03:17:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E187319E06A for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 03:17:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 03:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7921 invoked from network); 2 May 2009 10:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 May 2009 10:16:56 -0000 In-Reply-To: <08E7112D11394FCD8474724CDE295D34@wiliam> References: <08E7112D11394FCD8474724CDE295D34@wiliam> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 20:16:59 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 12:17:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc1da9204591823421471 Third year of secondary school - 14 year olds! Full of hormones and attitude. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/05/2009, at 7:18 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > Eh, what is 9C? > > Wiliam > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] >> Verzonden: zaterdag 2 mei 2009 8:24 >> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Onderwerp: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough >> >> >> I do - 6 hours in the public sector with a 20min commute and I can >> work when I want. No meetings, administrative nonsense and so >> on. Of course, I earned this with near 30 years of MUCH >> longer days with >> a serious workload at home, interminable and nonsensical government >> initiatives, deranged 'clients', countless tasks for which I had >> little or no training...and so on. >> It's Emergency/Casual Relief/Supply teaching. Of course, I don't get >> paid if I don't work, or for holiday periods or if I'm sick or for a >> month after I did the work...so it'd be lousy pay if I didn't have a >> pension to back it up and of course you can always be ambushed by 9C >> (anywhere on the planet, at any point in history, 9C are >> always demon >> spawn). >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 14:21:41 2009 Received: (qmail 685 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 12:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 12:21:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5E1E182F9 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15668E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73BF19E343 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:21:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E75119E345 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:21:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B5D461646 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 13:43:07 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <0E7204C4-8C97-4E3F-B033-D63C59578AE5@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <24AA44AA-1CC6-43FD-916C-4CDABA009DA7@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 13:21:29 +0100 References: <03319FC8-D235-4C6E-8F21-EB1D06281556@frozenlight.eu> <49FB785E.50903@chucknorcutt.com> <0F2AA7A0974649F099CC72426787878E@hudson> <24AA44AA-1CC6-43FD-916C-4CDABA009DA7@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 14:21:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc3ad5234591869477228 I shouldn't worry, Nathan; John has a little carmudgeonly turn every = now and again. I too have wondered at the number of photos you take, but I had = rationalised it that you carried a camera for a lot more time than = others do (including me). I work around 8 hr a day, 5 days a week, but it varies with the = workload and the weather. If the weather's bad I work less because I = cannot fly, but I will compensate by doing website work at home (the = computers at work are ghastly and Winders). My commute is about = 40mins each way, but no sea or outside bars or caf=E9s ;-). But I have (ground) jobs to do and they have to be done whether there = is time in the day or not. Indeed, last weekend I did around 5 hours = on a day off because it had to be done. Chris On 2 May 2009, at 07:07, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > John, to me photography is a very important part of my life, and I > posted weekly pictures and occasional galleries also when I lived in > the Netherlands prior to moving to Spain in the fall of 2007. Back > then, I was also gone 12 hours each day, but I still found time to > take pictures and post them. Yes, now I work in the public sector (an > EU agency) but my working day is roughly the same as it was in the > private sector before, 8-9 hours. The difference is that I have traded > a 120 km commute on a crowded motorway which took 1.5-2 hours each way > for a pleasant 20-minutes drive along the Mediterranean. So the time > spent working is the same, the time wasted on commuting is 3 hours > less each day. That has done wonders for my energy levels after coming > home from work. > > Do not assume that everyone who posts a lot has a cushy job with a 6- > hour day. It is all a matter of priorities. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 14:42:33 2009 Received: (qmail 26521 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 12:42:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 12:42:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E14AE182F6 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC18E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FD634AC023 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:42:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E773934AC025 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:42:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJ000B6COMONU80@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 02 May 2009 09:42:24 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-10-62.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.10.62]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 02 May 2009 09:42:23 -0300 Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 09:42:24 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmYlADvc+0kYigo+/2dsb2JhbACBSohwhzS7NgeDdgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,282,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="491829481" References: <03319FC8-D235-4C6E-8F21-EB1D06281556@frozenlight.eu> <49FB785E.50903@chucknorcutt.com> <0F2AA7A0974649F099CC72426787878E@hudson> <24AA44AA-1CC6-43FD-916C-4CDABA009DA7@frozenlight.eu> <0E7204C4-8C97-4E3F-B033-D63C59578AE5@threeshoes.net> Subject: [OM] goin' boating X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 14:42:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc3fb9153521744846740 Has anyone seen this single master passing by in their neighbourhood waters? http://tinyurl.com/6xa8f jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 14:51:33 2009 Received: (qmail 11009 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 12:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 12:51:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52838E182F7 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7544CE24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD8634AC026 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:51:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BC434AC027 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:51:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJ000BHLP1QP380@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 02 May 2009 09:51:26 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-10-62.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.10.62]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 02 May 2009 09:51:25 -0300 Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 09:51:25 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIJAJPe+0kYigo+/2dsb2JhbACBSohwwwIHg3YF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,283,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="491830779" References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 14:51:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc41d5115465368819438 Hours worked and seniority are, or should be, inversely related and seriously so. Senior positions in any business should be in the 60 ++ hours a week. Less than that and one is slacking off or freeloading. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: [OM] Working hours > Our official working week is 37.5 hours, i.e. 7.5 hours per day. I > have a reasonably senior position, so in practice I work a bit more, > and sometimes also on weekends (but from home). However, I have no > complaints regarding time off. I have about 7 weeks vacation per year, > and in addition Spain has many more public holidays than the > Netherlands (18, to be precise). Finally, our office is closed between > Christmas and New Year, so my annual winter trek to Poland only costs > me a couple of days from the vacation allotment. > > My commute is by car. I typically leave work between 5 and 6 p.m. and > sometimes stop for a beer along the beach on my way home. Also, > sometimes interesting things happen at work. For that reason, my > little Domke bag with the Leica outfit always accompanies me to work. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > On May 2, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > >> Nice shot indeed. >> >> I am also amazed about the frequency of the PAD/PAW shots Nathan >> produces. I am not wondering however. He takes his camera(s) >> everywhere >> ant takes photos from people at work too. He lives quite close to his >> work, so commuting time is not a biggie. That leaves more time for >> family and photography. As he works for the government indeed (as I do >> for the Dutch government) he might have a workweek of 36 hours or >> choose >> to work 40 hours and have an extra holiday for every two weeks worked. >> He could use that to have half a day of every week or a whole day off >> every two weeks. >> >> As for myself I really like the idea of taking the camera everywhere, >> but I do have to commute. I leave home at 6.30AM to come home at >> 6.15 PM >> (or later whene a meeting is held a bit later). I already take my >> laptop >> and some papers everywhere during the week to work in the train. Not >> much room left in the rucksack to pack the E-1 of E-3 with one lens. >> Maybe some day I will get an additional E-4xx with simple lens for >> that >> cause. I will have to leave my bread at home then though an buy >> lunch at >> the office. I am stil wondering however if I will be able to make some >> shots while commuting. I am not that much of a people photographer and >> train stations and trains will have lots of people in them. Can >> immagine >> that most people do not like to being photographed early in the >> morning >> when they ar commuting to their work. >> >> Just checked my work schedule (I work 4x9=36h one week and 4x9+8=44h >> the >> other week) >> Mandatory free days for 2009: newyear, Good Friday, Easter Monday, >> Koninginnedag/Queens day (April 30), Liberation day (May 5), Ascencion >> day, Whit Monday, Christmas day =8 days off (December 26 is a free day >> too but on a Saturday this year) >> Extra free days because the governmental offices are closed for 2009: >> January 2, May 22 = 2 days off >> I have a yearly amount of 176 hours to spend on holidays, which >> would be >> about 4,5 weeks. >> Because I work an average of 40 hours a week I also have 220 hours to >> spend for the difference betweek working 36 and 40 hours. Our >> government >> wants their employees to work for an average of 36 hours a week. Sure >> that is a lot of free days, but most are available for people in >> commercial positions in the Netherlands also. In many companies >> however >> there is a choice to make between more holidays and more money. Many >> commercial workers choose the extra money from that offering. If they >> made that choice, they should not complain about lack of holidays. >> >> I know that on the Western side of the Atlantic these figures are >> quite >> different. I have heard about people being able te get tw weeks off >> per >> year only and that only after they have worked for that company for at >> least a certain amount of time. Yes, I know that when it comes to days >> off we in Europe but especially some countries in Europe, including >> the >> Netherlands, have nothing to complain about and live in great whealth. >> You won't hear me complaining :-) >> >> Wiliam >> >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>> Van: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] >>> Verzonden: zaterdag 2 mei 2009 2:12 >>> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >>> Onderwerp: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough >>> >>> >>> I am constantly amazed how people with minimum 8 to 10 hour day jobs, >>> commutes to and from home and family life to take care of >>> have time to be >>> regular posters of PAD galleries. >>> >>> Me, I am out and gone at 7am and am rarely home much before >>> 7pm and that is >>> a regular day. >>> >>> I guess that those on government payrolls enjoy 6 and 7 hour >>> days .......... >>> ah what a life ! >>> >>> jh >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough >>> >>> >>>> Good shot. Good DOF. Well done! >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>>> I went to the May Day demo in the centre of Alicante this >>> afternoon, >>>>> and resolved to stick with one lens, the 24mm and to use >>> my legs to >>>>> get closer...I think I did get close enough: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#525765035_Lr5yB-O-LB >>>>> >>>>> Nathan >>>>> >>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>>> >>>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.9/2087 - Release >>> Date: 05/01/09 06:17:00 >>> >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 14:54:04 2009 Received: (qmail 9131 invoked by uid 0); 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Senior positions in any business should be in the 60 ++ hours a week. Less than that and one is slacking off or freeloading. jh ps: spell checker now activated! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan Wajsman" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:55 AM > Subject: [OM] Working hours > > >> Our official working week is 37.5 hours, i.e. 7.5 hours per day. I >> have a reasonably senior position, so in practice I work a bit more, >> and sometimes also on weekends (but from home). However, I have no >> complaints regarding time off. I have about 7 weeks vacation per year, >> and in addition Spain has many more public holidays than the >> Netherlands (18, to be precise). Finally, our office is closed between >> Christmas and New Year, so my annual winter trek to Poland only costs >> me a couple of days from the vacation allotment. >> >> My commute is by car. I typically leave work between 5 and 6 p.m. and >> sometimes stop for a beer along the beach on my way home. Also, >> sometimes interesting things happen at work. For that reason, my >> little Domke bag with the Leica outfit always accompanies me to work. >> >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> >> On May 2, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: >> >>> Nice shot indeed. >>> >>> I am also amazed about the frequency of the PAD/PAW shots Nathan >>> produces. I am not wondering however. He takes his camera(s) >>> everywhere >>> ant takes photos from people at work too. He lives quite close to his >>> work, so commuting time is not a biggie. That leaves more time for >>> family and photography. As he works for the government indeed (as I do >>> for the Dutch government) he might have a workweek of 36 hours or >>> choose >>> to work 40 hours and have an extra holiday for every two weeks worked. >>> He could use that to have half a day of every week or a whole day off >>> every two weeks. >>> >>> As for myself I really like the idea of taking the camera everywhere, >>> but I do have to commute. I leave home at 6.30AM to come home at >>> 6.15 PM >>> (or later whene a meeting is held a bit later). I already take my >>> laptop >>> and some papers everywhere during the week to work in the train. Not >>> much room left in the rucksack to pack the E-1 of E-3 with one lens. >>> Maybe some day I will get an additional E-4xx with simple lens for >>> that >>> cause. I will have to leave my bread at home then though an buy >>> lunch at >>> the office. I am stil wondering however if I will be able to make some >>> shots while commuting. I am not that much of a people photographer and >>> train stations and trains will have lots of people in them. Can >>> immagine >>> that most people do not like to being photographed early in the >>> morning >>> when they ar commuting to their work. >>> >>> Just checked my work schedule (I work 4x9=36h one week and 4x9+8=44h >>> the >>> other week) >>> Mandatory free days for 2009: newyear, Good Friday, Easter Monday, >>> Koninginnedag/Queens day (April 30), Liberation day (May 5), Ascencion >>> day, Whit Monday, Christmas day =8 days off (December 26 is a free day >>> too but on a Saturday this year) >>> Extra free days because the governmental offices are closed for 2009: >>> January 2, May 22 = 2 days off >>> I have a yearly amount of 176 hours to spend on holidays, which >>> would be >>> about 4,5 weeks. >>> Because I work an average of 40 hours a week I also have 220 hours to >>> spend for the difference betweek working 36 and 40 hours. Our >>> government >>> wants their employees to work for an average of 36 hours a week. Sure >>> that is a lot of free days, but most are available for people in >>> commercial positions in the Netherlands also. In many companies >>> however >>> there is a choice to make between more holidays and more money. Many >>> commercial workers choose the extra money from that offering. If they >>> made that choice, they should not complain about lack of holidays. >>> >>> I know that on the Western side of the Atlantic these figures are >>> quite >>> different. I have heard about people being able te get tw weeks off >>> per >>> year only and that only after they have worked for that company for at >>> least a certain amount of time. Yes, I know that when it comes to days >>> off we in Europe but especially some countries in Europe, including >>> the >>> Netherlands, have nothing to complain about and live in great whealth. >>> You won't hear me complaining :-) >>> >>> Wiliam >>> >>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>> Van: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] >>>> Verzonden: zaterdag 2 mei 2009 2:12 >>>> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >>>> Onderwerp: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough >>>> >>>> >>>> I am constantly amazed how people with minimum 8 to 10 hour day jobs, >>>> commutes to and from home and family life to take care of >>>> have time to be >>>> regular posters of PAD galleries. >>>> >>>> Me, I am out and gone at 7am and am rarely home much before >>>> 7pm and that is >>>> a regular day. >>>> >>>> I guess that those on government payrolls enjoy 6 and 7 hour >>>> days .......... >>>> ah what a life ! >>>> >>>> jh >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough >>>> >>>> >>>>> Good shot. Good DOF. Well done! >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>>> >>>>> Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>>>> I went to the May Day demo in the centre of Alicante this >>>> afternoon, >>>>>> and resolved to stick with one lens, the 24mm and to use >>>> my legs to >>>>>> get closer...I think I did get close enough: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#525765035_Lr5yB-O-LB >>>>>> >>>>>> Nathan >>>>>> >>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.9/2087 - Release >>>> Date: 05/01/09 06:17:00 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 14:55:53 2009 Received: (qmail 11613 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 12:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 12:55:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEE0E182EB for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F064E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FE819E424 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:55:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58A719E420 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:55:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f164.google.com (mail-fx0-f164.google.com [209.85.220.164]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so1090379fxm.14 for ; Sat, 02 May 2009 05:55:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.77.67 with SMTP id f3mr3613855bkk.75.1241268945106; Sat, 02 May 2009 05:55:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 07:55:45 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b644f9757db906da Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 14:55:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc42d963771529615919 Since the beginning of this year, I've averaged no less than 50 hours per week at work. I commute about a half hour each way in addition. It's been a bit rough finding time to photograph for myself given that I'm also busy with a couple other things going on too. However, complaining about it is not acceptable. This is just for a season and since the alternatives right now in this down economy aren't the greatest, we just put up and shut up. One thing I observed about European work hours through the years that I spent there on business: The workers may have shorter hours, but they tend to pack more into them. The efficiency of the work is very good. Just maybe, it's a case of work harder for shorter period of time than be worthless for longer period of time. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 14:59:18 2009 Received: (qmail 5352 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 12:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 12:59:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24E4E182EB for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB24FE24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA1419E43B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CDF19E432 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:59:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f164.google.com (mail-fx0-f164.google.com [209.85.220.164]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 05:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so1091308fxm.14 for ; Sat, 02 May 2009 05:59:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.2 with SMTP id f2mr3627965bkg.90.1241269150924; Sat, 02 May 2009 05:59:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <03319FC8-D235-4C6E-8F21-EB1D06281556@frozenlight.eu> <49FB785E.50903@chucknorcutt.com> <0F2AA7A0974649F099CC72426787878E@hudson> <24AA44AA-1CC6-43FD-916C-4CDABA009DA7@frozenlight.eu> <0E7204C4-8C97-4E3F-B033-D63C59578AE5@threeshoes.net> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 07:59:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d84d365706d744a9 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] goin' boating X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 14:59:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc43a624837927319144 That is a monster! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 17:51:04 2009 Received: (qmail 28317 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 15:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 15:51:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A80E18200 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 08:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20149E24A98 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 08:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A740919E8EA for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 08:50:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2AE19E8E9 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 08:50:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp07.online.nl (smtp07.online.nl [194.134.42.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 08:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp07.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDCF981F2 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:50:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:50:50 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 17:50:49 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp07.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 17:51:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc6be837901702588592 Oh yes, thanks. I know from first hand they can be a handfull. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] > Verzonden: zaterdag 2 mei 2009 12:17 > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough > > > Third year of secondary school - 14 year olds! > Full of hormones and attitude. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/05/2009, at 7:18 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > > > Eh, what is 9C? > > > > Wiliam > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >> Van: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] > >> Verzonden: zaterdag 2 mei 2009 8:24 > >> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > >> Onderwerp: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough > >> > >> > >> I do - 6 hours in the public sector with a 20min commute and I can > >> work when I want. No meetings, administrative nonsense and > so on. Of > >> course, I earned this with near 30 years of MUCH longer days with > >> a serious workload at home, interminable and nonsensical government > >> initiatives, deranged 'clients', countless tasks for which I had > >> little or no training...and so on. > >> It's Emergency/Casual Relief/Supply teaching. Of course, I > don't get > >> paid if I don't work, or for holiday periods or if I'm > sick or for a > >> month after I did the work...so it'd be lousy pay if I > didn't have a > >> pension to back it up and of course you can always be > ambushed by 9C > >> (anywhere on the planet, at any point in history, 9C are > >> always demon > >> spawn). > >> Andrew Fildes > >> afildes@people.net.au > >> > >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.9/2087 - Release > Date: 05/01/09 17:52:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 17:56:05 2009 Received: (qmail 27202 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 15:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 15:56:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9D9E182E6 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 08:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE5AE24A98 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 08:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD26834AC027 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 08:55:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2316D34AC025 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 08:55:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp03.online.nl (smtp03.online.nl [194.134.41.33]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 08:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6BA68211 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:55:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:55:57 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 17:55:57 +0200 Message-ID: <309D018EA5574692B35368E594AE6B3E@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] goin' boating X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 17:56:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc6d156221702588592 Awesome vessel, but way out of my league at $400,000 a week! If not on charter I would love to sail it from the Mediterranean to the Caribic or back ;-) Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] > Verzonden: zaterdag 2 mei 2009 14:42 > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: [OM] goin' boating > > > > Has anyone seen this single master passing by in their > neighbourhood waters? > > http://tinyurl.com/6xa8f > > jh > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.9/2087 - Release > Date: 05/01/09 17:52:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 20:32:39 2009 Received: (qmail 32634 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 18:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 18:32:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81B4E18301 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C956E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0E419EC79 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:32:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D0F19EC75 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:32:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28897 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2009 18:32:24 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090501-0, 05/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] goin' boating X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 20:32:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc91c79201744846740 If it passes by here in any nearby waters I'll be checking to see if the master is named Noah. :-) Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > Has anyone seen this single master passing by in their neighbourhood waters? > > http://tinyurl.com/6xa8f > > jh > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 20:44:33 2009 Received: (qmail 27973 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 18:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 18:44:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392A1E182D9 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DA9E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7232C34AC025 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:44:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C746534AC024 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:44:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 11:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2538 invoked by uid 504); 2 May 2009 18:44:24 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090501-0, 05/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Fw: Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 20:44:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc9491104962336821329 Or, conversely, as one of my way senior IBM managers told me, "If you have to work much more than 40 hours per week you don't trust your staff and/or don't know how to delegate". But I was clearly in that category since I worked far too many 60 and even 70 hour weeks. :-) Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > > Hours worked and seniority are, or should be, POSITIVELY CORRELATED and > seriously so. Senior positions in any business should be in the 60 ++ hours > a week. Less than that and one is slacking off or freeloading. > > jh > > ps: spell checker now activated! > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nathan Wajsman" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:55 AM >> Subject: [OM] Working hours >> >> >>> Our official working week is 37.5 hours, i.e. 7.5 hours per day. I >>> have a reasonably senior position, so in practice I work a bit more, >>> and sometimes also on weekends (but from home). However, I have no >>> complaints regarding time off. I have about 7 weeks vacation per year, >>> and in addition Spain has many more public holidays than the >>> Netherlands (18, to be precise). Finally, our office is closed between >>> Christmas and New Year, so my annual winter trek to Poland only costs >>> me a couple of days from the vacation allotment. >>> >>> My commute is by car. I typically leave work between 5 and 6 p.m. and >>> sometimes stop for a beer along the beach on my way home. Also, >>> sometimes interesting things happen at work. For that reason, my >>> little Domke bag with the Leica outfit always accompanies me to work. >>> >>> Nathan >>> >>> Nathan Wajsman >>> Alicante, Spain >>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>> >>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 2, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: >>> >>>> Nice shot indeed. >>>> >>>> I am also amazed about the frequency of the PAD/PAW shots Nathan >>>> produces. I am not wondering however. He takes his camera(s) >>>> everywhere >>>> ant takes photos from people at work too. He lives quite close to his >>>> work, so commuting time is not a biggie. That leaves more time for >>>> family and photography. As he works for the government indeed (as I do >>>> for the Dutch government) he might have a workweek of 36 hours or >>>> choose >>>> to work 40 hours and have an extra holiday for every two weeks worked. >>>> He could use that to have half a day of every week or a whole day off >>>> every two weeks. >>>> >>>> As for myself I really like the idea of taking the camera everywhere, >>>> but I do have to commute. I leave home at 6.30AM to come home at >>>> 6.15 PM >>>> (or later whene a meeting is held a bit later). I already take my >>>> laptop >>>> and some papers everywhere during the week to work in the train. Not >>>> much room left in the rucksack to pack the E-1 of E-3 with one lens. >>>> Maybe some day I will get an additional E-4xx with simple lens for >>>> that >>>> cause. I will have to leave my bread at home then though an buy >>>> lunch at >>>> the office. I am stil wondering however if I will be able to make some >>>> shots while commuting. I am not that much of a people photographer and >>>> train stations and trains will have lots of people in them. Can >>>> immagine >>>> that most people do not like to being photographed early in the >>>> morning >>>> when they ar commuting to their work. >>>> >>>> Just checked my work schedule (I work 4x9=36h one week and 4x9+8=44h >>>> the >>>> other week) >>>> Mandatory free days for 2009: newyear, Good Friday, Easter Monday, >>>> Koninginnedag/Queens day (April 30), Liberation day (May 5), Ascencion >>>> day, Whit Monday, Christmas day =8 days off (December 26 is a free day >>>> too but on a Saturday this year) >>>> Extra free days because the governmental offices are closed for 2009: >>>> January 2, May 22 = 2 days off >>>> I have a yearly amount of 176 hours to spend on holidays, which >>>> would be >>>> about 4,5 weeks. >>>> Because I work an average of 40 hours a week I also have 220 hours to >>>> spend for the difference betweek working 36 and 40 hours. Our >>>> government >>>> wants their employees to work for an average of 36 hours a week. Sure >>>> that is a lot of free days, but most are available for people in >>>> commercial positions in the Netherlands also. In many companies >>>> however >>>> there is a choice to make between more holidays and more money. Many >>>> commercial workers choose the extra money from that offering. If they >>>> made that choice, they should not complain about lack of holidays. >>>> >>>> I know that on the Western side of the Atlantic these figures are >>>> quite >>>> different. I have heard about people being able te get tw weeks off >>>> per >>>> year only and that only after they have worked for that company for at >>>> least a certain amount of time. Yes, I know that when it comes to days >>>> off we in Europe but especially some countries in Europe, including >>>> the >>>> Netherlands, have nothing to complain about and live in great whealth. >>>> You won't hear me complaining :-) >>>> >>>> Wiliam >>>> >>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>>> Van: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] >>>>> Verzonden: zaterdag 2 mei 2009 2:12 >>>>> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am constantly amazed how people with minimum 8 to 10 hour day jobs, >>>>> commutes to and from home and family life to take care of >>>>> have time to be >>>>> regular posters of PAD galleries. >>>>> >>>>> Me, I am out and gone at 7am and am rarely home much before >>>>> 7pm and that is >>>>> a regular day. >>>>> >>>>> I guess that those on government payrolls enjoy 6 and 7 hour >>>>> days .......... >>>>> ah what a life ! >>>>> >>>>> jh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>>>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:31 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/05/2009: close enough >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Good shot. Good DOF. Well done! >>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>>>> >>>>>> Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>>>>> I went to the May Day demo in the centre of Alicante this >>>>> afternoon, >>>>>>> and resolved to stick with one lens, the 24mm and to use >>>>> my legs to >>>>>>> get closer...I think I did get close enough: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#525765035_Lr5yB-O-LB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.9/2087 - Release >>>>> Date: 05/01/09 06:17:00 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 21:01:36 2009 Received: (qmail 8406 invoked by uid 0); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 21:01:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc989048271073733319 > From: AFHEVG@nby.pbz > > I have wooden (bamboo) camera that I have managed to loosen the tripod > mount on. It is metal & attached with three screws. It is sunk > into a hole > in the bamboo. I want to re-attach and wonder what suggestions > folks on the > group might have about what sticky stuff to use in addition to the > screws? > Walt has already sent his suggestion from the other side . . . > epoxy! > <{B^) Bill Barber Gee, epoxy is so... permanent! I'd try shimming the screw holes first. Stick a toothpick in there and break it off flush, then put the screws back in. If it's a big hole, put multiple bits of toothpick in it -- as many as will fit. Doing it this way, at least you'll be able to get it off, if needed. Imagine if the 1/4"x20 threads got stripped after you had epoxied it in -- the whole camera might then be trash -- whereas if you fix the mounting, you'll be able to take it off and run a tap through it, or even machine a new part to put in. :::: To redirect technology so that it serves man instead of destroying him requires primarily an effort of the imagination and an abandonment of fear. -- EF Schumaker :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org:::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 21:06:01 2009 Received: (qmail 25033 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 19:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 19:06:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F50E181D8 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1661E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C140019ED6B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:05:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6267719ED61 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:05:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259C02F16FC1 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:05:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eeBRwK9dgcjQ for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE9C2F16FAF for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <250D7512-CEB0-4833-B6D6-7773F4D7BE49@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 12:05:48 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 21:06:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc999962001744846740 > From: Nathan Wajsman > > sometimes interesting things happen at work. Do these "interesting things" involve any of the senoritas you are so famous for? Perhaps that's why you're willing to work extra hours... :-) :::: The tragedy of modern war is not so much that young men die but that they die fighting each other... instead of their real enemies back home in the capitals. -- Edward Abbey :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Events -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 21:08:31 2009 Received: (qmail 6503 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 19:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 19:08:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3234DE1819F for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE61E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36B619ED76 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:08:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB0F19ED6B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:08:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD332F16FF9 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:08:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PQ3C2p42+1KZ for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01882F16FEA for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 12:08:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [OM] OM Zuiko 85/2 E++ seen at Cameta X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 21:08:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fc9a2e86302046811720 > Olympus OM Zuiko Auto-T 85mm f/2 Lens|207098|Highly Regard Short > Tele/Portrait Lens With Fast f/2 Maximum Aperture. 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(E++)| $249 > > Cameta Camera > 8400 New Horizons Blvd. > Amityville, NY 11701 > Phone 877-822-9522 > Phone 631-691-1190 > Fax: 631-691-1019 > www.cameta.com No connection other than as a satisfied customer on several occasions. :::: I'm working on a plan for spontaneity. :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 21:44:16 2009 Received: (qmail 16439 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 19:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 19:44:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DA4E182DB for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2EF2E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A636134AC026 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:44:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58E834AC024 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:44:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2770786bwz.14 for ; Sat, 02 May 2009 12:44:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.101.13 with SMTP id a13mr3932291bko.89.1241293448516; Sat, 02 May 2009 12:44:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <70E0251F-4A3C-4370-B443-4D77325AC9AD@Bytesmiths.com> References: <70E0251F-4A3C-4370-B443-4D77325AC9AD@Bytesmiths.com> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 14:44:08 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5b006b6b97fe848a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] another sticky question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 21:44:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fca290113951869477228 Why not wood filler? Once set you can drill easily in it. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 21:55:45 2009 Received: (qmail 4506 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 19:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 19:55:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33218E182F5 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C853DE24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FC234AC024 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:55:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D3734AC023 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:55:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 12:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2774031bwz.14 for ; Sat, 02 May 2009 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.2 with SMTP id f2mr3963929bkg.90.1241294138340; Sat, 02 May 2009 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 14:55:38 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8fde8e321f6d2978 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 21:55:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fca541191951073733319 > > Not many Moose sightings of late. > Maybe I need to say something contrary to bring him out of the woodwork. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 2 22:36:12 2009 Received: (qmail 3784 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2009 20:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 May 2009 20:36:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFF6E182F5 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 13:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA193E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 13:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F1519EE5A for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 13:36:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4826C19EE53 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 13:36:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 13:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F0D31409C for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 13:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18ECF314099 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 13:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49FCAEB8.2020407@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 13:36:08 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090502-0, 05/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] another sticky question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 2 22:36:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fcaebc129231073733319 > > These screws are about 1/4 inch long. This seems like the weak link. Can you use a longer screw or one with a greater diameter? Add more screws? I don't know what's on the backside but is it possible to drill through and use a small bolt with nut and lock washer? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 02:08:41 2009 Received: (qmail 11169 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 00:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 00:08:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9463AE182DC for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F62BE24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A49334AC023 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:08:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0280D34AC024 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:08:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24283 invoked by uid 502); 3 May 2009 00:08:30 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-184-101.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.184.101) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 May 2009 00:08:30 -0000 Message-ID: <49FCE072.9090204@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 17:08:19 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> <49FB7AF5.3030909@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49FB7AF5.3030909@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 02:08:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fce089215481499373980 The Mooser is quite fine, thanks, although a little surprised to see it's been over a week since his last post. He's been keeping up with the list, but apparently not moved to "speak" much of late. Third Person Moose Chuck Norcutt wrote: > ... also wondering where's the Moose. > > > usher99@aol.com wrote: > >> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf200exr/page2.asp >> >> Moose might be amused that low light performance a few generations later still doesn't really exceed the F30/31--the latter are still expensive. >> >> Not many Moose sightings of late. >> >> A Trace Worried Mike >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 02:24:30 2009 Received: (qmail 15294 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 00:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 00:24:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3D6E182E8 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2D2E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA9134AC024 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:24:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFAF34AC023 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:24:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 5 mons 18 days 04:48:40 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 17:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-45-45.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.45.45]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n430OEm9014524 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 21:24:15 -0300 Message-ID: <49FCE42F.7070907@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 21:24:15 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> <49FB7AF5.3030909@chucknorcutt.com> <49FCE072.9090204@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49FCE072.9090204@gmail.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 02:24:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fce43e14829117217770 Good to "hear" from you, Moose :-) Missed you. Fernando. Moose wrote: > The Mooser is quite fine, thanks, although a little surprised to see > it's been over a week since his last post. > > He's been keeping up with the list, but apparently not moved to "speak" > much of late. > > Third Person Moose > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> ... also wondering where's the Moose. >> >> >> usher99@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> Not many Moose sightings of late. >> >> A Trace Worried Mike >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 03:02:16 2009 Received: (qmail 5450 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 01:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 01:02:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E80E182F7 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 18:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A87E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 18:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871B219F27B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 18:02:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF95019F18B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 18:02:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 18:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJ100JG5MVJIIZ0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:02:07 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-10-62.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.10.62]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 02 May 2009 22:02:06 -0300 Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 22:02:06 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYMAF+K/EkYigo+/2dsb2JhbACBSohzwXQHg3YF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,284,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="519000246" References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 03:02:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fced18210551234514069 Ken .......... you have not been to Europe in the past several years. Our Iberian based correspondent enjoys what, 7 weeks of annual vacation, plus upwards of 30 days of stat holidays per year, and a 37.5 work week all of which boils down to next to nothing of working hours a year. Hereabouts a real contributor to the economy would be pushing 70+ hours a week with 3 week max of annual vacation and maybe 6 or 7 days of stat holidays a year at the max. The idea of greater European productivity is a piece of complete fiction. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours > Since the beginning of this year, I've averaged no less than 50 hours per > week at work. I commute about a half hour each way in addition. It's been > a > bit rough finding time to photograph for myself given that I'm also busy > with a couple other things going on too. However, complaining about it is > not acceptable. This is just for a season and since the alternatives right > now in this down economy aren't the greatest, we just put up and shut up. > One thing I observed about European work hours through the years that I > spent there on business: The workers may have shorter hours, but they > tend > to pack more into them. The efficiency of the work is very good. Just > maybe, it's a case of work harder for shorter period of time than be > worthless for longer period of time. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 03:20:43 2009 Received: (qmail 9395 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 01:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 01:20:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B07E182E7 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 18:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBE1E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 18:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABF219F292 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 18:20:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D4719F293 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 18:20:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 18:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4535 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2009 01:20:33 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090502-0, 05/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 03:20:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fcf16b121461470116606 Apparently ill and not realizing it. :-) Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > The Mooser is quite fine, thanks, although a little surprised to see > it's been over a week since his last post. > > He's been keeping up with the list, but apparently not moved to "speak" > much of late. > > Third Person Moose > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> ... also wondering where's the Moose. >> >> >> usher99@aol.com wrote: >> >>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf200exr/page2.asp >>> >>> Moose might be amused that low light performance a few generations later still doesn't really exceed the F30/31--the latter are still expensive. >>> >>> Not many Moose sightings of late. >>> >>> A Trace Worried Mike >>> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 04:32:31 2009 Received: (qmail 10071 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 02:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 02:32:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F7DE182FD for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 19:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7EA8E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 19:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C440234AC024 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 19:32:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.655 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.655 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654, WHOIS_NETSOLPR=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E7034AC023 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 19:32:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 5 mons 18 days 06:56:42 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 19:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-8-105.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.8.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n432WBPN022174 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 23:32:12 -0300 Message-ID: <49FD022C.8090201@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 23:32:12 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> <49FB7AF5.3030909@chucknorcutt.com> <49FCE072.9090204@gmail.com> <49FCF160.20807@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49FCF160.20807@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 04:32:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd023f152631234514069 LOL :-) But not an infrequent situation, btw; and in some cases it's the rule. Personally, I might rule out mutism in the context of dissociative identity disorder (aka: multiple personality disorder) and/or dissociative amnesia ... . "third person Moose" ;-) Dr. Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Apparently ill and not realizing it. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Moose wrote: > >> The Mooser is quite fine, thanks, although a little surprised to see >> it's been over a week since his last post. >> >> He's been keeping up with the list, but apparently not moved to "speak" >> much of late. >> >> Third Person Moose >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> ... also wondering where's the Moose. >>> >>> >>> usher99@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf200exr/page2.asp >>>> >>>> Moose might be amused that low light performance a few generations later still doesn't really exceed the F30/31--the latter are still expensive. >>>> >>>> Not many Moose sightings of late. >>>> >>>> A Trace Worried Mike >>>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 05:24:10 2009 Received: (qmail 24720 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 03:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 03:24:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CD5E182DC for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 20:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B59E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 20:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384CE19F351 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 20:24:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CCF19F33D for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 20:24:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 20:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2885805bwz.14 for ; Sat, 02 May 2009 20:24:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.60.148 with SMTP id p20mr4178457bkh.165.1241321043616; Sat, 02 May 2009 20:24:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:24:03 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ea16763fce492763 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 05:24:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd0e5a74737350615338 John, my point is that in my experience I've seen substantially more productivity out of my European counterparts than what I've seen stateside. So in the end, less hours doesn't seem to hurt things. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 07:26:48 2009 Received: (qmail 32703 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 05:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 05:26:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E6FE182E4 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 22:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18110E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 22:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3EB19F40D for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 22:26:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D69819F40C for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 22:26:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 22:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AA1461688 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 06:48:17 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 06:26:38 +0100 References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 07:26:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd2b18162825368819438 John I don't know who has rattled your chain this time, but I do believe that there is something of the Daily Mail about your comments. I expect that you have spent very little time in Europe since you emigrated and that makes you ill-equipped to comment on how Europeans as a whole go about their business, whether in the public or private sectors. But why comment at all? If one of us were a millionaire who didn't need to work would you comment on that individual's good fortune or would you grumble that "real contributors" don't have time for photography? I suggest that you might regard it as their own business and keep your own counsel ... Chris On 3 May 2009, at 02:02, John Hudson wrote: > Ken .......... you have not been to Europe in the past several years. > > Our Iberian based correspondent enjoys what, 7 weeks of annual > vacation, > plus upwards of 30 days of stat holidays per year, and a 37.5 work > week all > of which boils down to next to nothing of working hours a year. > > Hereabouts a real contributor to the economy would be pushing 70+ > hours a > week with 3 week max of annual vacation and maybe 6 or 7 days of stat > holidays a year at the max. The idea of greater European > productivity is a > piece of complete fiction. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 07:28:34 2009 Received: (qmail 30403 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 05:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 05:28:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788B6E182E8 for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 22:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFB0E24A9B for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 22:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555AD19F40E for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 22:28:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEEB19F40D for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 22:28:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 22:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29476 invoked by uid 502); 3 May 2009 05:28:25 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-197-129.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.197.129) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 May 2009 05:28:25 -0000 Message-ID: <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 22:28:23 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> In-Reply-To: <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> Subject: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 07:28:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd2b82286641744846740 Nope, none of that "helpful" stuff. Didn't plant anything. Did drive my car. We did honor the Earth by visiting the SF Arboretum in Golden Gate Park. We wandered about enjoying and honoring the many examples of the flora of the Earth, and a few of her creatures. 135 images is way too many in one way. However, I wanted to simply show the chronological story of our wanderings and the things tha caught my eye. Anything shorter is a selection of favorites, rather than a travelogue. I've put it up with Jalbum, so there is a slide show feature by clicking the upper right button on any index or image page for low effort viewing. There are certainly some images I really love included, along with - aaaaahhh - baby ducklings, a few people, including one trying to become invisible in unusual camouflage, what appear in context to be aliens and a lone bit of urban Whimsy, especially for Tom, at the end. We finished up with more Pizza Orgasmica, from the mother ship this time. A good day! Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 09:13:52 2009 Received: (qmail 1015 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 07:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 07:13:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC32BE182DA for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 00:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86A5E24A9B for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 00:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936FC34AC026 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 00:13:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B93234AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 00:13:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp05.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp05.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 00:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 31.red-83-33-127.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.33.127.31]:50778 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay05.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.45]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1M0VtG-00033M-JJ (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sun, 03 May 2009 08:13:35 +0100 Message-Id: <9166D7DF-7A4F-4DFE-A06F-B02617707A6C@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion , Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Picture a Day discussion group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:13:34 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: cricket X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 09:13:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd4430298681499373980 Yesterday I spent a couple of hours at a cricket game between our office club, the Intellectuals, and another local amateur club, the Sporting Alfas. This also provided a rare outing for my Olympus gear: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/8086024_HPVGr#526880681_dgt7x As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated, but please no snide remarks from the Aussie contingent ;-) Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 11:34:36 2009 Received: (qmail 16691 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 09:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 09:34:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979E2E182FC for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E77DE24A98 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A18B34AC026 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:34:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446A634AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0Y5Z-0002SQ-Mi for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 03 May 2009 10:34:25 +0100 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:34:25 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20090503093425.GI10663@the.earth.li> References: <20090429210713.GD10663@the.earth.li> <9e908c1f0904291951i72ce7fa2j1b9c11a6d78a5c0e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0904291951i72ce7fa2j1b9c11a6d78a5c0e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: Re: [OM] A road trip of sorts. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 11:34:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd652c104702070262475 Look! It's Olympus! * On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 09:51:40PM -0500, Joel Wilcox said: > > http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/range.pl?dir=pe_to_capetown > > Everything seems to have come together nicely in 011 -- composition, > subject interest, stunning sky. That one's really worth working a > bit. Kudos! Thanks. :) > > http://the.earth.li/~paddy/cgi-bin/range.pl?dir=table_mountain_and_home&offset=11 > > > > thanks for looking. > > Wow, wonderful clouds. I really like the B&W renditions. Something > about the color makes me yearn a bit for a warming filter. That looks > like it was a great trip and you make the most of less than optimal > shooting conditions at times. It was an excellent trip all in all. Though it was so rushed and frantic attimes that I feel like I need a week off of just doing nothing to fully recover. ;) But such is the price we pay for our holidays! cheers, p. -- |\ _,,,---,,_ The void and me are one; the /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ trouble is that's one too many. |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 11:38:41 2009 Received: (qmail 11247 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 09:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 09:38:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEFEE182D4 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C37CE24A98 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855BE34AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:38:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139E534AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:38:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0Y9a-0002cz-Au for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 03 May 2009 10:38:34 +0100 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:38:34 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20090503093834.GJ10663@the.earth.li> References: <20090429210713.GD10663@the.earth.li> <9e908c1f0904291951i72ce7fa2j1b9c11a6d78a5c0e@mail.gmail.com> <49F91419.4080508@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49F91419.4080508@chucknorcutt.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: Re: [OM] A road trip of sorts. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 11:38:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd6621273431257536491 'ello Olympus * On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:59:37PM -0400, Chuck Norcutt said: > I was inspired to go back and take a longer look. Table Mountain #22 is > spectacular! Thanks Chuck. Fixing my gallery software (or indeed moving across to Flikr or similar) is very high on my list of things to do. I've a new desktop and monitor which I'm using as a motivator for such things. all the best, paddy -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 11:40:06 2009 Received: (qmail 5507 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 09:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 09:40:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108E1E1817F for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAE6E24A98 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2616E34AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:39:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAE134AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:39:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@m93.myzen.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0YAu-0006W2-5Y for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 03 May 2009 09:39:56 +0000 Message-ID: <49FD666C.7000001@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 10:39:56 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> In-Reply-To: X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [217.155.39.109] Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 11:40:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd6676279305368819438 Chris, Well said & distinctly more diplomatic than the reply I was contemplating. Though "something of the Daily Mail" is a bit vicious... :-) Regards from another 37 hour a week freeloader (shame we don't get all those Spanish public holidays). Martyn Chris Barker wrote: > John > > I don't know who has rattled your chain this time, but I do believe > that there is something of the Daily Mail about your comments. I > expect that you have spent very little time in Europe since you > emigrated and that makes you ill-equipped to comment on how Europeans > as a whole go about their business, whether in the public or private > sectors. > > But why comment at all? If one of us were a millionaire who didn't > need to work would you comment on that individual's good fortune or > would you grumble that "real contributors" don't have time for > photography? > > I suggest that you might regard it as their own business and keep your > own counsel ... > > Chris > > On 3 May 2009, at 02:02, John Hudson wrote: > > >> Ken .......... you have not been to Europe in the past several years. >> >> Our Iberian based correspondent enjoys what, 7 weeks of annual >> vacation, >> plus upwards of 30 days of stat holidays per year, and a 37.5 work >> week all >> of which boils down to next to nothing of working hours a year. >> >> Hereabouts a real contributor to the economy would be pushing 70+ >> hours a >> week with 3 week max of annual vacation and maybe 6 or 7 days of stat >> holidays a year at the max. The idea of greater European >> productivity is a >> piece of complete fiction. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 11:43:54 2009 Received: (qmail 9811 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 09:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 09:43:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20426E182E4 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D45E24A98 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20EE34AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:43:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA3C34AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:43:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0YEd-0002qb-Nr for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 03 May 2009 10:43:47 +0100 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:43:47 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20090503094347.GK10663@the.earth.li> References: <20090429210713.GD10663@the.earth.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: Re: [OM] A road trip of sorts. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 11:43:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd675a292062046811720 'ello Olympus * On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 07:13:02AM +0100, Chris Barker said: > Paddy > > Thanks for showing us those. The scenery from the bus looked > fantastic, so I'm not surprised you took a chance with the movement > and the glass of the window. Thankfully I managed to get the window open, but I guess I'd have shot anyway. :) > The Table Mountain shots look a lot like what I have seen from the > air, mostly in Scotland, but over the Alps, Dolomites and Harz > mountains as well. The views are great. Yeah. Table mountain itself is a wonderful setting, but I can only imagine half of what you've seen from the air. The jealousy is mild though. ;) Thanks chris. paddy -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 11:44:59 2009 Received: (qmail 4756 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 09:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 09:44:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD75E182DF for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25EFE24A98 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F8534AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:44:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8167234AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:44:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20154 invoked from network); 3 May 2009 09:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 May 2009 09:44:42 -0000 In-Reply-To: <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <779E2162-D6B9-4BA2-8036-134789CFBD03@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:44:44 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 11:44:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd679b18989117217770 Don't confuse hours with productivity - the 8 hour day campaign laid that one to rest in the late eighteen hundreds. And more recently, the Japanese salarymen who didn't dare leave work early for fear of being thought lazy or uncommitted. Can we assume that the American 'minimum wage' workers are motivated and productive, given that it's almost a new version of the old Chinese 'iron rice bowl' technique or what we'd call a 'work for the dole' scheme. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/05/2009, at 11:02 AM, John Hudson wrote: > The idea of greater European productivity is a > piece of complete fiction. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 11:47:50 2009 Received: (qmail 503 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 09:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 09:47:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E981FE18200 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06505E24A98 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DF434AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:47:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711DC34AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:47:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 02:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0YIR-0002zQ-OS for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 03 May 2009 10:47:43 +0100 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:47:43 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20090503094743.GL10663@the.earth.li> References: <20090429210713.GD10663@the.earth.li> <90A9EA74-9319-4421-B335-4569A8B4DC84@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <90A9EA74-9319-4421-B335-4569A8B4DC84@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: Re: [OM] A road trip of sorts. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 11:47:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd6846297157927319144 * On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 09:32:59AM +0200, Iwert said: > I like most all of the B&W pictures, very nice. I think it is better > with clouds than without (but have never been there). I'd say it was half and half. With out the clouds you cna see for a vast distance over the Cape, but the clouds make for more interesting photos. I think it just depends whether or not you've got the camera with you. :) > table_mountain_and_home_014.jpg is my favourite, it has a very fine > atmosphere and let's me feel as if I were there. All these broken > lines work well together and the couple just finishes the image for > scale. Thanks. :) all the best, paddy -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 12:54:03 2009 Received: (qmail 3906 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 10:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 10:54:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D29E1819D for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 03:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBDBE24A96 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 03:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A556119DD7A for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 03:53:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E233819DD78 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 03:53:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 03:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2280 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2009 10:53:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090502-0, 05/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 12:54:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd77cb303237927319144 And the winner is... and some lovely runners-up... Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Nope, none of that "helpful" stuff. Didn't plant anything. Did drive my car. > > We did honor the Earth by visiting the SF Arboretum in Golden Gate Park. > We wandered about enjoying and honoring the many examples of the flora > of the Earth, and a few of her creatures. > > 135 images is way too many in one way. However, I wanted to simply show > the chronological story of our wanderings and the things tha caught my > eye. Anything shorter is a selection of favorites, rather than a > travelogue. I've put it up with Jalbum, so there is a slide show feature > by clicking the upper right button on any index or image page for low > effort viewing. > > > There are certainly some images I really love included, along with - > aaaaahhh - baby ducklings, a few people, including one trying to become > invisible in unusual camouflage, what appear in context to be aliens and > a lone bit of urban Whimsy, especially for Tom, at the end. > > We finished up with more Pizza Orgasmica, from the mother ship this > time. A good day! > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 12:57:36 2009 Received: (qmail 21760 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 10:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 10:57:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E9FE1817F for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 03:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965EAE24A96 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 03:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4C334AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 03:57:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A58434AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 03:57:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 03:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3983 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2009 10:57:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 May 2009 10:57:29 -0000 Message-ID: <49FD7898.9040508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 06:57:28 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20090429210713.GD10663@the.earth.li> <9e908c1f0904291951i72ce7fa2j1b9c11a6d78a5c0e@mail.gmail.com> <49F91419.4080508@chucknorcutt.com> <20090503093834.GJ10663@the.earth.li> In-Reply-To: <20090503093834.GJ10663@the.earth.li> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090502-0, 05/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] A road trip of sorts. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 12:57:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd78a0227291529615919 But please not Flickr. I'd rather use browser tabs. Chuck Norcutt Patrick Moore wrote: > 'ello Olympus > > * On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:59:37PM -0400, Chuck Norcutt said: >> I was inspired to go back and take a longer look. Table Mountain #22 is >> spectacular! > > Thanks Chuck. > > Fixing my gallery software (or indeed moving across to Flikr or similar) > is very high on my list of things to do. I've a new desktop and monitor > which I'm using as a motivator for such things. > > all the best, > > paddy -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 13:32:20 2009 Received: (qmail 29060 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 11:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 11:32:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD88E182EB for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 04:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB22E24A96 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0B019DE2C for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 04:32:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684A719DE28 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 04:32:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (doug9345@localnet.com whitelisted) Received: from extsmtp4.localnet.com (extsmtp4.localnet.com [207.251.201.56]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 04:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11393 invoked by uid 1011); 3 May 2009 11:32:13 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by bombastic (envelope-from , uid 1004) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 1.971379 secs); 03 May 2009 11:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp4.localnet.com with SMTP; 3 May 2009 11:32:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 32369 invoked from network); 3 May 2009 11:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-15-55.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.15.55]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp5.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 May 2009 11:32:26 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 07:40:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> <779E2162-D6B9-4BA2-8036-134789CFBD03@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <779E2162-D6B9-4BA2-8036-134789CFBD03@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905030740.51179.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 13:32:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd80c475202336821329 On Sunday, May 03, 2009 05:44, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Can we assume that the American 'minimum wage' workers are motivated > and productive, given that it's almost a new version of the old > Chinese 'iron rice bowl' technique or what we'd call a 'work for the > dole' scheme. Some are and some aren't depending on the job and the individual, so you are correct that you can't assume anything about their productivity. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 14:22:45 2009 Received: (qmail 25419 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 12:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 12:22:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5FFE18277 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB71E24A96 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E5834AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:22:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A6E34AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n43CMYvN032542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:22:35 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> In-Reply-To: <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 22:22:24 +1000 Message-ID: <007601c9cbe9$d1736930$745a3b90$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnLiszhntPZOeUrTk6FLalZWR4tPgAXrWfA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 14:22:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd8c95301691342116753 > > Hereabouts a real contributor to the economy would be pushing 70+ hours > a > week with 3 week max of annual vacation and maybe 6 or 7 days of stat > holidays a year at the max. The idea of greater European productivity > is a > piece of complete fiction. > I guess it depends on your priorities, "real contributor" to what ? Wonder what the husband/wife & kids think ? ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 14:24:42 2009 Received: (qmail 19162 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 12:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 12:24:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5DAE182F4 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31238E24A96 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D7F34AC027 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C74534AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:24:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090503122435877.UCJL22077@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:24:35 +0000 Message-Id: <849ED7E4-F8E8-4CCF-83FD-E23F29113005@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 08:24:33 -0400 References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 14:24:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd8d0a127311073733319 A lot of nice images, especially as it does not appear that the sun was particularly cooperative, Earth Day notwithstanding. My favorite was the mother duck and ducklings in the pollen-coated pond. Lots of appealing elements there. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 3, 2009, at 1:28 AM, Moose wrote: > Nope, none of that "helpful" stuff. Didn't plant anything. Did drive > my car. > > We did honor the Earth by visiting the SF Arboretum in Golden Gate > Park. > We wandered about enjoying and honoring the many examples of the flora > of the Earth, and a few of her creatures. > > 135 images is way too many in one way. However, I wanted to simply > show > the chronological story of our wanderings and the things tha caught my > eye. Anything shorter is a selection of favorites, rather than a > travelogue. I've put it up with Jalbum, so there is a slide show > feature > by clicking the upper right button on any index or image page for low > effort viewing. > > > There are certainly some images I really love included, along with - > aaaaahhh - baby ducklings, a few people, including one trying to > become > invisible in unusual camouflage, what appear in context to be aliens > and > a lone bit of urban Whimsy, especially for Tom, at the end. > > We finished up with more Pizza Orgasmica, from the mother ship this > time. A good day! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 14:30:06 2009 Received: (qmail 24927 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 12:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 12:30:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0E9E182EC for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D03E24A96 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DEE219DF15 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:29:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9206219DED2 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:29:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 05:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090503122956753.UDYF22077@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:29:56 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9166D7DF-7A4F-4DFE-A06F-B02617707A6C@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 08:29:54 -0400 References: <9166D7DF-7A4F-4DFE-A06F-B02617707A6C@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: cricket X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 14:30:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fd8e4e173283675314703 My particular favorite was the blonde spectator, barely visible in the crowd. For an actual sports shot, Not Happy would be the one for me. But then my true appreciation for the sport would be reflected by Not Excited. However, I would put up with a lot for that blonde's company. And I presume there were adult beverages consumed? --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 3, 2009, at 3:13 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Yesterday I spent a couple of hours at a cricket game between our > office club, the Intellectuals, and another local amateur club, the > Sporting Alfas. This also provided a rare outing for my Olympus gear: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/8086024_HPVGr#526880681_dgt7x > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated, but > please no snide remarks from the Aussie contingent ;-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 16:40:26 2009 Received: (qmail 20553 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 14:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 14:40:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A850AE182ED for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 07:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7460E24A96 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 07:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7833819E23A for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 07:40:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8425919E23B for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 07:40:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (frank@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out0.tiscali.nl (smtp-out0.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.175]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 07:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1M0crZ-0003yb-Ay for ; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:40:17 +0200 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 16:40:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> <007601c9cbe9$d1736930$745a3b90$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <007601c9cbe9$d1736930$745a3b90$@com.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 16:40:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fdacda234291035110158 On Sun, 3 May 2009 22:22:24 +1000, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> The idea of greater European productivity >> is a >> piece of complete fiction. >> > >I guess it depends on your priorities, "real contributor" to what ? Wonder >what the husband/wife & kids think ? > >...Wayne That's REproductivity you are talking about, Wayne. ;-) Frank van Lindert Utrecht EU -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 16:48:17 2009 Received: (qmail 16371 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 14:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 14:48:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C7BE182DD for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 07:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC39FE24A96 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84C519E23A for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA8819E24F for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 07:48:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 07:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so3078232bwz.14 for ; Sun, 03 May 2009 07:48:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.62.135 with SMTP id x7mr4697692bkh.95.1241362089170; Sun, 03 May 2009 07:48:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:48:09 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4a685db4f51a4e59 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 16:48:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fdaeb1279251023412894 Moose, A nice collection of photographs there. I also liked the ducks, but the couple eating was right up there too. Could you expound on something though. I noticed that all or nearly all images had an exposure compensation of -2/3. As you were shooting in bright sunlight, did you happen to have sunglasses on and you needed to compensate for the viewfinder-based exposure sensor, or is it strictly user-preference to preserve as much highlight as possible? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 18:04:49 2009 Received: (qmail 17678 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 16:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 16:04:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61854E182EF for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 09:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE7BE24A96 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 09:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1881834AC025 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 09:04:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C41634AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 09:04:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 09:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C350B2F1B8B4 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 09:04:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A9N0GiwrlYfU for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 09:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084902F1B8A5 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 09:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:04:39 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 18:04:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fdc0a128677927319144 > From: John Hudson > > Hours worked and seniority are, or should be, inversely related and > seriously so. Senior positions in any business should be in the 60 + > + hours > a week. Less than that and one is slacking off or freeloading. It might have been nice to see "I think" or "in my opinion" in there somewhere... I think almost the opposite. Those who have become more efficient and knowledgeable should not have to work so hard to achieve the same result, no? Po*, why not strive for "equal results" and "equal compensation," whereby the master provides direction and correction, and the apprentice provides brawn and grunt work. Then the master can go fishing, and "work" on more important things, like what is the meaning of life, and why do people work like insane fools until they're continuously tired, so that some day they might have the luxury of being, all of a sudden, complete leeches on the system, when they become re-tired? :-) I think retirement requires some serious training, and I'm trying to become a partial leech before having to become a complete one. *Eduard DeBono has proposed the neologism "po," used like "so," to describe a purposely provocative position, meant for opening meaningful dialogue, rather than as a proposal to be implemented as-is. :::: In a low-energy future... the wealth of nations will be measured by the quantity and quality of their forests. -- David Holmgren :::: :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 19:07:31 2009 Received: (qmail 22385 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 17:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 17:07:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02781E182F7 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2706E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D602834AC026 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:02:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A68F34AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:02:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 5 mons 18 days 21:26:30 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-54-191.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.54.191]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n43H22Ht020619 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 14:02:03 -0300 Message-ID: <49FDCE0A.5060800@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 14:02:02 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 19:07:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fdcf53172251529615919 Lovely pictures, lovely arboretum, lovely idea to honor the Earth. Hard or impossible to pick my favorite. Rather, I did feel as if walking = alongside with you. Here we have a nice arboretum, the Arboretum Lussich in Maldonado - but = it was severely damaged during a wind-storm during winter 2005 and = hadn't visited it since. I have too many opportunities to feel sad, and = adding one is no good business. You managed to make me miss spring .... so I scanned two sakura [cherry = blossom] shots, each with different gear and different springs and = different light, just in case you may want to look at them (hope they = are cherry blossoms, learned that yesterday thanks to Nicoletta Da Ros): http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3494938304/ = -->link to 1280 and link to view on black. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3494602525/ = -->same links But it's autumn here, yellow leaves and the 'cipr=E9s calvo' has turned red. Had a hard time nailing on that red, it's more red than it seems if you = watch it carefully under early afternoon strong sunlight, and more = translucent too, which makes shadows inside the folliage not too deep. Of course, foliage looks not at all as sharp as it does in the Provia, = so I'm about to go back to your thread about foliage ... too many = things, but in the meanwhile, I discovered a most obvious reason to = explain why it was so difficult for me to use the 4000ED. In short, I = was not using it properly. Autumn foliage then, two versions using Highlight/Shadow control: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3478344474/ = -->better, same links http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3475294532/ = -->so-so, same links. Both the sakura and the cipr=E9s calvo were shot at two different small = Arboretum we have here in Mvd, the sakura at the 'Parque de los Aliados' = (crossing the street where the USA and British Embassies are), and the = cipr=E9s at the 'Parque Rod=F3'. Fernando. Moose wrote: > We did honor the Earth by visiting the SF Arboretum in Golden Gate Park. = > We wandered about enjoying and honoring the many examples of the flora = > of the Earth, and a few of her creatures. > > > > > A good day! > > Moose > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 19:18:01 2009 Received: (qmail 30234 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 17:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 17:18:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F203E182E7 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCB6E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EBE19E621 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:17:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFF219E60E for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:17:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 612 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2009 17:17:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090502-0, 05/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 19:18:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fdd1c9234441585427447 I like 525 and the soft bokeh. The cipr=E9s calvo seem to have so much = foliage detail that I think a large print is probably necessary to = really appreciate them. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Lovely pictures, lovely arboretum, lovely idea to honor the Earth. > = > Hard or impossible to pick my favorite. Rather, I did feel as if walking = > alongside with you. > Here we have a nice arboretum, the Arboretum Lussich in Maldonado - but = > it was severely damaged during a wind-storm during winter 2005 and = > hadn't visited it since. I have too many opportunities to feel sad, and = > adding one is no good business. > = > You managed to make me miss spring .... so I scanned two sakura [cherry = > blossom] shots, each with different gear and different springs and = > different light, just in case you may want to look at them (hope they = > are cherry blossoms, learned that yesterday thanks to Nicoletta Da Ros): > = > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3494938304/ = > -->link to 1280 and link to view on black. > = > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3494602525/ = > -->same links > = > But it's autumn here, yellow leaves and the 'cipr=E9s calvo' has turned r= ed. > Had a hard time nailing on that red, it's more red than it seems if you = > watch it carefully under early afternoon strong sunlight, and more = > translucent too, which makes shadows inside the folliage not too deep. > Of course, foliage looks not at all as sharp as it does in the Provia, = > so I'm about to go back to your thread about foliage ... too many = > things, but in the meanwhile, I discovered a most obvious reason to = > explain why it was so difficult for me to use the 4000ED. In short, I = > was not using it properly. > = > Autumn foliage then, two versions using Highlight/Shadow control: > = > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3478344474/ = > -->better, same links > = > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3475294532/ = > -->so-so, same links. > = > Both the sakura and the cipr=E9s calvo were shot at two different small = > Arboretum we have here in Mvd, the sakura at the 'Parque de los Aliados' = > (crossing the street where the USA and British Embassies are), and the = > cipr=E9s at the 'Parque Rod=F3'. > = > Fernando. > = > = > Moose wrote: >> We did honor the Earth by visiting the SF Arboretum in Golden Gate Park. = >> We wandered about enjoying and honoring the many examples of the flora = >> of the Earth, and a few of her creatures. >> >> >> >> >> A good day! >> >> Moose >> = > = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 19:23:11 2009 Received: (qmail 26525 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 17:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 17:23:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6990E182C8 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1327E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF9034AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:23:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2061034AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:23:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f164.google.com (mail-fx0-f164.google.com [209.85.220.164]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 10:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so1587883fxm.14 for ; Sun, 03 May 2009 10:23:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.53.143 with SMTP id m15mr4809168bkg.112.1241371382552; Sun, 03 May 2009 10:23:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49FDCE0A.5060800@adinet.com.uy> References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FDCE0A.5060800@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 12:23:02 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: de7d40cf7b3ae354 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 19:23:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fdd2ff200817350615338 My "Earthday" was rather interesting. There were a number of black helicopters circling overhead, accompanied by one green and white colored one. Yes, the Prez came to give a forgettable speech at a factory that made wind-turbine towers. What really rankled me, is that it was the perfect opportunity for him to give a major policy speech on energy and the future of our country. Instead, it was some hamfisted campaign stop style payback to a major donor. I saw it as a completely wasted opportunity. "Nice job, keep up the good work" is not a policy speech. I expected much more from him. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 20:28:08 2009 Received: (qmail 2684 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 18:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 18:28:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2B4E182EC for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F039E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8CA19E79F for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:28:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8AF19E784 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:28:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D077EC96F6 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 19:52:56 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49FD666C.7000001@m93.myzen.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:27:58 +0100 References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> <49FD666C.7000001@m93.myzen.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 20:28:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fde238266882336821329 Yes, although I might start feeling guilty about my lack of productivity ... ;-) Chris On 3 May 2009, at 10:39, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > Regards from another 37 hour a week freeloader (shame we don't get all > those Spanish public holidays). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 20:28:43 2009 Received: (qmail 9946 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 18:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 18:28:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44A0E182F1 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2262E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA36234AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EAF34AC027 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8963 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2009 18:28:10 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090502-0, 05/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 20:28:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fde25b126121591313764 He probably doesn't want to prematurely reveal his carbon sequestration plans to unbelievers like me. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > My "Earthday" was rather interesting. There were a number of black > helicopters circling overhead, accompanied by one green and white colored > one. Yes, the Prez came to give a forgettable speech at a factory that made > wind-turbine towers. > What really rankled me, is that it was the perfect opportunity for him to > give a major policy speech on energy and the future of our country. Instead, > it was some hamfisted campaign stop style payback to a major donor. I saw it > as a completely wasted opportunity. > > "Nice job, keep up the good work" is not a policy speech. I expected much > more from him. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 20:42:41 2009 Received: (qmail 5907 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 18:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 18:42:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4221FE182CC for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65248E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F1B19E7B0 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:42:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1217819E79F for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:42:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp05.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp05.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 11:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 31.red-83-33-127.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.33.127.31]:52053 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay05.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.45]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1M0gdw-00016D-J5 (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Sun, 03 May 2009 19:42:29 +0100 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:42:27 +0200 References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 20:42:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fde5a160751073733319 It's all about quality vs. quantity. Also about balance between life and work and quality of life in general. But to each his own. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 3, 2009, at 3:02 AM, John Hudson wrote: > Ken .......... you have not been to Europe in the past several years. > > Our Iberian based correspondent enjoys what, 7 weeks of annual > vacation, > plus upwards of 30 days of stat holidays per year, and a 37.5 work > week all > of which boils down to next to nothing of working hours a year. > > Hereabouts a real contributor to the economy would be pushing 70+ > hours a > week with 3 week max of annual vacation and maybe 6 or 7 days of stat > holidays a year at the max. The idea of greater European > productivity is a > piece of complete fiction. > > jh > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours > > >> Since the beginning of this year, I've averaged no less than 50 >> hours per >> week at work. I commute about a half hour each way in addition. >> It's been >> a >> bit rough finding time to photograph for myself given that I'm also >> busy >> with a couple other things going on too. However, complaining about >> it is >> not acceptable. This is just for a season and since the >> alternatives right >> now in this down economy aren't the greatest, we just put up and >> shut up. >> One thing I observed about European work hours through the years >> that I >> spent there on business: The workers may have shorter hours, but >> they >> tend >> to pack more into them. The efficiency of the work is very good. >> Just >> maybe, it's a case of work harder for shorter period of time than be >> worthless for longer period of time. >> >> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 21:04:55 2009 Received: (qmail 21163 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 19:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 19:04:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABE7E182E6 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205B6E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F04C34AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:04:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30B034AC025 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:04:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 5 mons 18 days 23:29:04 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-54-191.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.54.191]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n43J4a8r032261 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 16:04:37 -0300 Message-ID: <49FDEAC6.5040203@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 16:04:38 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FDCE0A.5060800@adinet.com.uy> <49FDD1BE.4090509@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49FDD1BE.4090509@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 21:04:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fdead770991073733319 Absolutely Chuck, 525 (Sept. 2005) was what I tried to repeat when I had = the 135 & OM 4. As soon as the sakuras started to blossom, I walked as = far as the corner of the street where my home is, where about a dozen of = these trees grow. I lost valuable minutes of perfect light looking for = some remotely similar branch to the one I had found by mere chance three = years before. I found none !. Every blossom was too high to get a = similar background .... . When shooting 525, I was quite aware of = bokeh-exploring (it's implied here that I agree on what was recently = discussed about bokeh judgement when a series1 or 2 focusing screen are = used - had a 1-4 screen on the 2n). Light was at steady-state, so I took = my time and started at =83/5,6 up to =83/16 (where the rear blossoms are = quite sharp). This was the winner for me, although at the moment I = wished to spot meter the white flowers and have something better than a = bean bag over the lens and body, and was not wit enough to make a +1/3 = and +2/3 (+1/3 would have been dead-on). Foliage detail in the cipr=E9s calvo !? - well, either I have to change my = monitor (CRT Graphic Series G75f+ - ViewSonic) and get a LCD, or I = should send you the original Provia for you to see :-). Anyway, I feel = better after your appreciation. About what I discovered when using the 4000ED: I did this only on 525 so far. After making the preview scan, it's = perfectly possible to take the slide out of the scanner and make all the = levels - curves adjustments while watching the slide, sort of 'real = time' adjustments. So far, I made adjustments looking at the preview in = the monitor while guessing how it should look like, in reference to my = remembered perception before feeding it into. Quite a test if I wanted = to measure perceptual memory, but very frustrating for photographic = goals. Such an obvious simplicity, it took me three years to check if = possible, and found it written nowhere - I feel like if I had discovered = that Earth can be circumnavigated :-) Now, could anybody tell me that I'm wrong? Thanks for looking, Chuck. Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I like 525 and the soft bokeh. The cipr=E9s calvo seem to have so much = > foliage detail that I think a large print is probably necessary to = > really appreciate them. > > Chuck Norcutt > > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 21:20:41 2009 Received: (qmail 31848 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 19:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 19:20:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E139FE182E5 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061D3E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB45C34AC026 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:20:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891B334AC025 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp04.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp04.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 31.red-83-33-127.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.33.127.31]:52188 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay04.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.44]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1M0hEi-0002zK-FQ (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sun, 03 May 2009 20:20:29 +0100 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion , Picture a Day discussion group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 21:20:27 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: May Day in Alicante X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 21:20:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fdee89179309117217770 I went to the main May Day demonstration on Friday, arranged by the two main trade unions. Partly because I expected it to provide photo opportunities, partly because I was curious to see how the current crisis would be reflected in the event, and partly because I am the son and grandson of Social Democrats and so feel a certain affinity with the labour movement. The atmosphere was friendly and good-natured, nothing like the riots seen in Germany or France. Maybe it is the more laid-back Spanish lifestyle, maybe it is the good weather, maybe it is the prospect of tapas and beer afterwards. In any event, the pictures are here: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/8091045_EaNTu#527238394_Le88C As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 21:22:03 2009 Received: (qmail 6865 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 19:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 19:22:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C99E182CA for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06892E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C910019E88B for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:21:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7787F19E85E for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:21:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 12:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD284614BC for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 20:43:35 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <49934035-5D49-4D5E-87F3-022DA0590689@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49FD7898.9040508@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:21:55 +0100 References: <20090429210713.GD10663@the.earth.li> <9e908c1f0904291951i72ce7fa2j1b9c11a6d78a5c0e@mail.gmail.com> <49F91419.4080508@chucknorcutt.com> <20090503093834.GJ10663@the.earth.li> <49FD7898.9040508@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] A road trip of sorts. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 21:22:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fdeedb206581470116606 I agree, wholeheartedly! I cannot bear Flickr. I like fiddling with all sorts of web-based things, but Flickr is just daft and difficult. Chris On 3 May 2009, at 11:57, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > But please not Flickr. I'd rather use browser tabs. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 22:01:47 2009 Received: (qmail 17249 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 20:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 20:01:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15537E18305 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7A2E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CF734AC025 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:01:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A652634AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:01:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19814 invoked from network); 3 May 2009 20:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 May 2009 20:01:27 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> References: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> Message-Id: <707D5A2D-49AF-4487-B39E-FD6CD9E0532F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:01:32 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 22:01:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fdf82b213762336821329 "First of all: what is work? Work is of two kinds: first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter; second, telling other people to do so. The first kind is unpleasant and ill paid; the second is pleasant and highly paid." Bertrand Russell His full article, 'In Praise of Idleness' - here - http://www.zpub.com/notes/idle.html Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/05/2009, at 2:04 AM, Jan Steinman wrote: > Those who have become more efficient and knowledgeable should not have > to work so hard to achieve the same result, no? Po*, why not strive > for "equal results" and "equal compensation," whereby the master > provides direction and correction, and the apprentice provides brawn > and grunt work. Then the master can go fishing, and "work" on more > important things, like what is the meaning of life, and why do people > work like insane fools until they're continuously tired, so that some > day they might have the luxury of being, all of a sudden, complete > leeches on the system, when they become re-tired? :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 22:11:54 2009 Received: (qmail 24572 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 20:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 20:11:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB0DE182B8 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF74E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD3734AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:11:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D862B34AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:11:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20131 invoked from network); 3 May 2009 20:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 May 2009 20:11:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <05AAF0F3-3EF8-4D28-B02A-B4D2CC59D621@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:11:44 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: May Day in Alicante X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 22:11:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fdfa8a25321591313764 No particular favorite but it's a good, colorful photo-essay which brings back a lot of memories - I can almost hear the music. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/05/2009, at 5:20 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I went to the main May Day demonstration on Friday, arranged by the > two main trade unions. Partly because I expected it to provide photo > opportunities, partly because I was curious to see how the current > crisis would be reflected in the event, and partly because I am the > son and grandson of Social Democrats and so feel a certain affinity > with the labour movement. > > The atmosphere was friendly and good-natured, nothing like the riots > seen in Germany or France. Maybe it is the more laid-back Spanish > lifestyle, maybe it is the good weather, maybe it is the prospect of > tapas and beer afterwards. In any event, the pictures are here: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/8091045_EaNTu#527238394_Le88C > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 22:14:33 2009 Received: (qmail 30604 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 20:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 20:14:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BC0E182B1 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EDEE24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7578734AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:14:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0504E34AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:14:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (gmcgrath@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.73]) by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-449fdfb1868; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:14:16 -0400 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-249fdfb132e2; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:14:11 -0400 Received: from GMcGrath@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.bdc.468ed362 (48552) for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 16:14:08 -0400 (EDT) From: GMcGrath@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 16:15:18 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.107.73 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] "Native" ISO of DSLR sensors X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 22:14:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fdfb29189731234514069 I think the Canon was what I was reading about. Just wondering about the Olys. We have two or three list members who seem to have inside contact with Olympus. Any info about the native ISO of Olympus sensors from those quarters? Thanks! Greg In a message dated 5/1/2009 9:32:59 PM Central Daylight Time, chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com writes: The 5D's native ISO is clearly ISO 100. One can select any ISO level in 1/3 stop increments between ISO 100 and ISO 1600. But the camera also offers ISO 50 and ISO 3200. But these values are not normally selectable **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222376998x1201454298/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=M ay5309AvgfooterNO62) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 22:59:24 2009 Received: (qmail 26826 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 20:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 20:59:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F657E182F4 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB773E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF1219EA89 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:59:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF5D19EA7D for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:59:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f158.google.com (mail-bw0-f158.google.com [209.85.218.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 13:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so3230352bwz.14 for ; Sun, 03 May 2009 13:59:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.69 with SMTP id l5mr5016358bkq.52.1241384356317; Sun, 03 May 2009 13:59:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 15:59:16 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a7fc1b4cd6c3a89b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] "Native" ISO of DSLR sensors X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 22:59:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe05ac174031073733319 > > I think the Canon was what I was reading about. Just wondering about the > Olys. We have two or three list members who seem to have inside contact > with > Olympus. Any info about the native ISO of Olympus sensors from those > quarters? > We'd tell you, but then we'd have to NR you. :) Rumor has it that the native ISO is slightly adjustable based on the application of variable voltage to the sensor. This is different than boosting by amplification post-sensor, which is what happens with any sensor once you get past the initial range. That all said... you can never go wrong shooting at ISO 100 with any of the Olympus cameras. ;) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 23:03:36 2009 Received: (qmail 24288 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 21:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 21:03:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A469DE182F9 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 14:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABE7E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 14:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB3A34AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 14:03:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D20034AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 14:03:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f158.google.com (mail-bw0-f158.google.com [209.85.218.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 14:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so3232193bwz.14 for ; Sun, 03 May 2009 14:03:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.62.135 with SMTP id x7mr5005423bkh.95.1241384608126; Sun, 03 May 2009 14:03:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 16:03:28 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 38e6fe782241c1d1 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: May Day in Alicante X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 23:03:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe06a8168281234514069 Hey, at least you got the important shot out of the way right away (frame #2). AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 3 23:53:36 2009 Received: (qmail 21520 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 21:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 21:53:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8B8E182F5 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 14:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C60E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 14:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACE634AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 14:53:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE3834AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 14:53:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (londonjames@mailcan.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 14:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M0jcl-0004j2-Lh for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 03 May 2009 22:53:27 +0100 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M0jcl-00079a-0p for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 03 May 2009 22:53:27 +0100 Message-Id: <9A603005-4263-42AE-8984-12E1E4C816DE@mailcan.com> From: James R To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 22:53:26 +0100 References: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 3 23:53:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe126056197927319144 I've long thought that capitalist economies (and I'm thinking of 'advanced western' economies here) should switch to a four day working week. From my rather thin knowledge it strikes me that even in good times unemployment is typically stuck at a minimum rate of about 5 percent and rises a good deal in times such as we are living through now. Having those in employment working long hours just reduces the overall number of jobs the system can support, which surely must increase unemployment and therefore the tax load on those employed. As our populations age it would also allow people who are currently forced out of work when the are deemed over the hill by our youth infatuated cultures to continue working longer if they so desired. I'm not convinced that everyone's standard of living would drop by 20 percent if they did work a day less as huge money-pits such as mortgages are dictated by people buying homes for the maximum they can possibly afford. If earnings were lower then property prices would drop. There are obviously instances where this wouldn't work and people who would want to work more for whatever reason, but if it became the norm I don't see why a self-correcting economic system could rebalance itself with a shorter working week. James On 3 May 2009, at 17:04, Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: John Hudson >> >> Hours worked and seniority are, or should be, inversely related and >> seriously so. Senior positions in any business should be in the 60 + >> + hours >> a week. Less than that and one is slacking off or freeloading. > > It might have been nice to see "I think" or "in my opinion" in there > somewhere... > > I think almost the opposite. > > Those who have become more efficient and knowledgeable should not have > to work so hard to achieve the same result, no? Po*, why not strive > for "equal results" and "equal compensation," whereby the master > provides direction and correction, and the apprentice provides brawn > and grunt work. Then the master can go fishing, and "work" on more > important things, like what is the meaning of life, and why do people > work like insane fools until they're continuously tired, so that some > day they might have the luxury of being, all of a sudden, complete > leeches on the system, when they become re-tired? :-) > > I think retirement requires some serious training, and I'm trying to > become a partial leech before having to become a complete one. > > *Eduard DeBono has proposed the neologism "po," used like "so," to > describe a purposely provocative position, meant for opening > meaningful dialogue, rather than as a proposal to be implemented as- > is. > > > :::: In a low-energy future... the wealth of nations will be measured > by the quantity and quality of their forests. -- David Holmgren :::: > :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org :::: > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 00:34:51 2009 Received: (qmail 7476 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 22:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 22:34:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01ACE182F6 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075FEE24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9B934AC02C for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:34:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE07434AC027 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:34:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14612 invoked by uid 504); 3 May 2009 22:34:40 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 May 2009 22:34:40 -0000 Message-ID: <49FE1BFD.2030308@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 18:34:37 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090503-0, 05/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: May Day in Alicante X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 00:34:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe1c0b213957927319144 Thanks for the parade. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I went to the main May Day demonstration on Friday, arranged by the > two main trade unions. Partly because I expected it to provide photo > opportunities, partly because I was curious to see how the current > crisis would be reflected in the event, and partly because I am the > son and grandson of Social Democrats and so feel a certain affinity > with the labour movement. > > The atmosphere was friendly and good-natured, nothing like the riots > seen in Germany or France. Maybe it is the more laid-back Spanish > lifestyle, maybe it is the good weather, maybe it is the prospect of > tapas and beer afterwards. In any event, the pictures are here: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/8091045_EaNTu#527238394_Le88C > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 00:39:40 2009 Received: (qmail 1837 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 22:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 22:39:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B71EE182C8 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CDEE24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9478334AC02E for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:39:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CEC34AC02D for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:39:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-349fe1d22132; Sun, 03 May 2009 18:39:30 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.cbf.3b7e1c10 (37050) for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 18:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB038-5bb749fe1d14325; Sun, 03 May 2009 18:39:20 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MY09 (webmail-my09.sim.aol.com [64.12.108.20]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA026-5bb749fe1d14325; Sun, 03 May 2009 18:39:16 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 18:39:16 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.200 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42812-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by WEBMAIL-MY09.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.20) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 03 May 2009 18:39:16 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9A571FBD4BA4-56C-4769@WEBMAIL-MY09.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 00:39:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe1d2c297865368819438 Hooray, A Moose post with some great images. There was a stealth pseudo high mag macro--- the insect is metal--I remember that statue from my last visit to that park on the AM before going to visit Moose. Duckling shots turned out nicely. Also noticed the -2/3 compensation. I thought that was the Moose A650/G9 evaluative metering sunny 16 setting. It works well with the G9 (thanks for mentioning that) --still high contrast conditions with deep shadows and bright skies are tough for the small sensors--pick blocked shadows or white sky. I was not aware either that Moose liked the -2/3 approach with the 5D for those conditions. Mike Nope, none of that "helpful" stuff. Didn't plant anything. Did drive my car. We did honor the Earth by visiting the SF Arboretum in Golden Gate Park. We wandered about enjoying and honoring the many examples of the flora of the Earth, and a few of her creatures. 135 images is way too many in one way. However, I wanted to simply show the chronological story of our wanderings and the things tha caught my eye. Anything shorter is a selection of favorites, rather than a travelogue. I've put it up with Jalbum, so there is a slide show feature by clicking the upper right button on any index or image page for low effort viewing. There are certainly some images I really love included, along with - aaaaahhh - baby ducklings, a few people, including one trying to become invisible in unusual camouflage, what appear in context to be aliens and a lone bit of urban Whimsy, especially for Tom, at the end. We finished up with more Pizza Orgasmica, from the mother ship this time. A good day! Moose -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 00:44:16 2009 Received: (qmail 16320 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2009 22:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 May 2009 22:44:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450B8E182DA for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5607E24A99 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DC334AC02C for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:44:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7598A34AC027 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:44:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jmalmstrom@mac.com whitelisted) Received: from asmtpout029.mac.com (asmtpout029.mac.com [17.148.16.104]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 15:44:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [172.28.2.12] (c-83-233-110-14.cust.bredband2.com [83.233.110.14]) by asmtp029.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KJ3002E6B5JU060@asmtp029.mac.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 03 May 2009 15:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <336A5773-1888-4F77-932D-205C6B3AC7C7@mac.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-reply-to: <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 00:44:06 +0200 References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 00:44:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe1e40260702046811720 My offical working week, when I'm not on parental leave as now, is 40 h a week and I have 25 days of holiday + some "red"-days off like christmas and so. I commute by bike for about 15 minutes, if the snow is really bad I walk or go by the bus. After the parental leave, I'm off until Sep 1, I'll be working 32 hours a week to keep Irma and Idas time at kindergarten down. I think that will be enough. / Johan 2 maj 2009 kl. 11.55 skrev Nathan Wajsman: > Our official working week is 37.5 hours, i.e. 7.5 hours per day. I > have a reasonably senior position, so in practice I work a bit more, > and sometimes also on weekends (but from home). However, I have no > complaints regarding time off. I have about 7 weeks vacation per year, > and in addition Spain has many more public holidays than the > Netherlands (18, to be precise). Finally, our office is closed between > Christmas and New Year, so my annual winter trek to Poland only costs > me a couple of days from the vacation allotment. > > My commute is by car. I typically leave work between 5 and 6 p.m. and > sometimes stop for a beer along the beach on my way home. Also, > sometimes interesting things happen at work. For that reason, my > little Domke bag with the Leica outfit always accompanies me to work. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 02:45:10 2009 Received: (qmail 22245 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 00:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 00:45:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD37EDC01C for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 17:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0DBE24A9B for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 17:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DF334AC025 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 17:45:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0CF34AC026 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 17:45:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 17:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJ300MBYGQWM9X0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:44:56 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-164-41.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.164.41]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:44:56 -0300 Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 21:44:56 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <96E155C3ECC54461955BD5B469538C7B@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArIOAKfX/UkY4KQp/2dsb2JhbACBSohzwQAHg3YF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,288,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="334129973" References: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> <9A603005-4263-42AE-8984-12E1E4C816DE@mailcan.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 02:45:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe3a96197662046811720 My original "inflamatory" posting was not entirely without anticipation of some serious and provocative response. Messrs Barker, Dr LondonJames., Ken N, Fildes, Wajsman, Steinman and his familiarity with the Maltese MD, DPhil, PhD "po" person [I have all his books], Harridge, Doug9345, Smoothy, and Norcutt all stepped up to the plate. Thanks to all. This list is much more than just clicking the shutter release, whether film or digital. From me you'll hear not a further word about working hours. From those who work few a week, enjoy extended vacations, many stat holidays and the opportunity to pack an M8 where ever they go make sure that your PAD and like posting are abundant. They are interesting and worth viewing. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "James R" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours > I've long thought that capitalist economies (and I'm thinking of > 'advanced western' economies here) should switch to a four day working > week. From my rather thin knowledge it strikes me that even in good > times unemployment is typically stuck at a minimum rate of about 5 > percent and rises a good deal in times such as we are living through > now. Having those in employment working long hours just reduces the > overall number of jobs the system can support, which surely must > increase unemployment and therefore the tax load on those employed. As > our populations age it would also allow people who are currently > forced out of work when the are deemed over the hill by our youth > infatuated cultures to continue working longer if they so desired. I'm > not convinced that everyone's standard of living would drop by 20 > percent if they did work a day less as huge money-pits such as > mortgages are dictated by people buying homes for the maximum they can > possibly afford. If earnings were lower then property prices would drop. > > There are obviously instances where this wouldn't work and people who > would want to work more for whatever reason, but if it became the norm > I don't see why a self-correcting economic system could rebalance > itself with a shorter working week. > > James > > > On 3 May 2009, at 17:04, Jan Steinman wrote: > >>> From: John Hudson >>> >>> Hours worked and seniority are, or should be, inversely related and >>> seriously so. Senior positions in any business should be in the 60 + >>> + hours >>> a week. Less than that and one is slacking off or freeloading. >> >> It might have been nice to see "I think" or "in my opinion" in there >> somewhere... >> >> I think almost the opposite. >> >> Those who have become more efficient and knowledgeable should not have >> to work so hard to achieve the same result, no? Po*, why not strive >> for "equal results" and "equal compensation," whereby the master >> provides direction and correction, and the apprentice provides brawn >> and grunt work. Then the master can go fishing, and "work" on more >> important things, like what is the meaning of life, and why do people >> work like insane fools until they're continuously tired, so that some >> day they might have the luxury of being, all of a sudden, complete >> leeches on the system, when they become re-tired? :-) >> >> I think retirement requires some serious training, and I'm trying to >> become a partial leech before having to become a complete one. >> >> *Eduard DeBono has proposed the neologism "po," used like "so," to >> describe a purposely provocative position, meant for opening >> meaningful dialogue, rather than as a proposal to be implemented as- >> is. >> >> >> :::: In a low-energy future... the wealth of nations will be measured >> by the quantity and quality of their forests. -- David Holmgren :::: >> :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org :::: >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 02:47:26 2009 Received: (qmail 11706 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 00:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 00:47:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F65E182F8 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 17:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43986E24A9B for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 17:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306B334AC025 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 17:47:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA81D34AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 17:47:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 17:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJ300MK1GUVM1X0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:47:19 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-164-41.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.164.41]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 03 May 2009 21:47:19 -0300 Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 21:47:19 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <8187221F2EEA42AC92A5ABA43F7E55B8@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArIOACPY/UkY4KQp/2dsb2JhbACBSohzwQIHg3YF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,288,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="482876741" References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 02:47:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe3b1e200361591313764 Chris ............. what's the Daily Mail ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours > John > > I don't know who has rattled your chain this time, but I do believe > that there is something of the Daily Mail about your comments. I > expect that you have spent very little time in Europe since you > emigrated and that makes you ill-equipped to comment on how Europeans > as a whole go about their business, whether in the public or private > sectors. > > But why comment at all? If one of us were a millionaire who didn't > need to work would you comment on that individual's good fortune or > would you grumble that "real contributors" don't have time for > photography? > > I suggest that you might regard it as their own business and keep your > own counsel ... > > Chris > > On 3 May 2009, at 02:02, John Hudson wrote: > >> Ken .......... you have not been to Europe in the past several years. >> >> Our Iberian based correspondent enjoys what, 7 weeks of annual >> vacation, >> plus upwards of 30 days of stat holidays per year, and a 37.5 work >> week all >> of which boils down to next to nothing of working hours a year. >> >> Hereabouts a real contributor to the economy would be pushing 70+ >> hours a >> week with 3 week max of annual vacation and maybe 6 or 7 days of stat >> holidays a year at the max. The idea of greater European >> productivity is a >> piece of complete fiction. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 05:38:27 2009 Received: (qmail 3857 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 03:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 03:38:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D4FE18300 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 20:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACB7E24A9B for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 20:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F71719F647 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 20:38:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE2A19F632 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 20:38:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl27.gs02.gridserver.com (cl27.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.36]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 20:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50152 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl27.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0p0W-0006dZ-0D for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:38:20 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 23:38:18 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Working hours Thread-Index: AcnMacN6AdnBwjhdEd6R/QAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <8187221F2EEA42AC92A5ABA43F7E55B8@hudson> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 05:38:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe6333176361591313764 Its a right wing newspaper in the UK. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/3/09 8:47 PM, "John Hudson" wrote: > Chris ............. what's the Daily Mail ? > > jh > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Barker" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:26 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours > > >> John >> >> I don't know who has rattled your chain this time, but I do believe >> that there is something of the Daily Mail about your comments. I >> expect that you have spent very little time in Europe since you >> emigrated and that makes you ill-equipped to comment on how Europeans >> as a whole go about their business, whether in the public or private >> sectors. >> >> But why comment at all? If one of us were a millionaire who didn't >> need to work would you comment on that individual's good fortune or >> would you grumble that "real contributors" don't have time for >> photography? >> >> I suggest that you might regard it as their own business and keep your >> own counsel ... >> >> Chris >> >> On 3 May 2009, at 02:02, John Hudson wrote: >> >>> Ken .......... you have not been to Europe in the past several years. >>> >>> Our Iberian based correspondent enjoys what, 7 weeks of annual >>> vacation, >>> plus upwards of 30 days of stat holidays per year, and a 37.5 work >>> week all >>> of which boils down to next to nothing of working hours a year. >>> >>> Hereabouts a real contributor to the economy would be pushing 70+ >>> hours a >>> week with 3 week max of annual vacation and maybe 6 or 7 days of stat >>> holidays a year at the max. The idea of greater European >>> productivity is a >>> piece of complete fiction. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 07:34:15 2009 Received: (qmail 14324 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 05:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 05:34:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C944AE182FD for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E698FE24A9B for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F1134AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:34:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4D234AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:34:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB0EC96FC for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 06:59:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3FB60E15-31FA-4AFB-AF20-9FBED17B7579@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:34:05 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: May Day in Alicante X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 07:34:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe7e57269731234514069 Thanks, Nathan. That's an interesting story, sprinkled the a suitable proportion of attractive scenery ... And I enjoyed the cricket game as well :-) 2 points of language, though: Is "pueblo" not a town or village? From the cricket, the man with the bat is a "batsman"; "batter" comes from the other side of the Pond, in baseball. Chris On 3 May 2009, at 20:20, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I went to the main May Day demonstration on Friday, arranged by the > two main trade unions. Partly because I expected it to provide photo > opportunities, partly because I was curious to see how the current > crisis would be reflected in the event, and partly because I am the > son and grandson of Social Democrats and so feel a certain affinity > with the labour movement. > > The atmosphere was friendly and good-natured, nothing like the riots > seen in Germany or France. Maybe it is the more laid-back Spanish > lifestyle, maybe it is the good weather, maybe it is the prospect of > tapas and beer afterwards. In any event, the pictures are here: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/8091045_EaNTu#527238394_Le88C -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 07:39:30 2009 Received: (qmail 31369 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 05:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 05:39:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F12E182B9 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30196E24A9B for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1752119F718 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:39:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20A919F715 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:39:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9837C96CD for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:04:21 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <52BAAF8E-3F08-4B08-B172-428F7E7E4CC4@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8187221F2EEA42AC92A5ABA43F7E55B8@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:39:23 +0100 References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> <8187221F2EEA42AC92A5ABA43F7E55B8@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 07:39:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe7f9248429117217770 If that's a serious question, John ... It's a small (tabloid-sized), relatively serious newspaper, from the right-wing. They own the Evening Standard (London evening newspaper) and each rag is full of half-cocked ideas, partly attributable quotes, old-man-in-a-pub opinions. In my view it's hearsay journalism with a near-fascist bent. Chris On 4 May 2009, at 01:47, John Hudson wrote: > Chris ............. what's the Daily Mail ? > > jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 07:40:04 2009 Received: (qmail 26363 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 05:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 05:40:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C64E182DF for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8C6E24A9B for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B6619F718 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:39:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EBE19F716 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:39:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pklein@threshinc.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from figaro.threshinc.com (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2D4FE39C865; Sun, 3 May 2009 22:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503222909.00bf0ab8@mail.threshinc.com> X-Sender: pklein@threshinc.com@mail.threshinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 22:39:36 -0700 To: lug@leica-users.org,leica@freelists.org,olympus@thomasclausen.net From: Peter Klein Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] IMG: Here's looking at you, kid X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 07:40:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe7fb4280349347015869 At Seattle's Green Lake on Sunday. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032676MomBabyPugCrop3BW-bw.jpg.html The above was my final crop. Here is my initial edit, in color. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032676MomBabyPugsCrop2-w.jpg.html E-510 and 14-54. --Peter -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 08:06:02 2009 Received: (qmail 9721 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 06:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 06:06:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70964E182E2 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B27E24A9B for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0093F34AC025 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:05:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B752E34AC023 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:05:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pklein@threshinc.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from figaro.threshinc.com (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 195C639C865; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503224039.00c04f58@mail.threshinc.com> X-Sender: pklein@threshinc.com@mail.threshinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 23:05:56 -0700 To: lug@leica-users.org,leica@freelists.org,olympus@thomasclausen.net From: Peter Klein Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] IMG: Sunday in the Park with Peter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 08:06:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe85ca307717927319144 More from a walk around Seattle's Green Lake. Where I've paired a B&W and color photo, I prefer B&W and my wife prefers color. What do you think? The baby is lighter... http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032675PugStrollerCrop-bw.jpg.html http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032675PugStrollerCrop-w.jpg.html A little motion blur on this, but I loved the T-shirt. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032694JuicyGirl-bw.jpg.html http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032694JuicyGirl-w.jpg.html Got brains? http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032679GotBrains-bw.jpg.html At first it was called the South Lake Union Trolley. Then city officials hastily renamed it the South Lake Union *Streetcar*. I don't think it helped. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032686RideSlut-bw.jpg.html Adopt me. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032690AdoptMe-w.jpg.html "I'm in jail," he told me. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032695ImInJail-bw.jpg.html http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032695ImInJail-w.jpg.html A natural sculpture: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032681Turtles-w.jpg.html All with the E-510 and 14-54. Enjoy! --Peter -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 08:08:30 2009 Received: (qmail 275 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 06:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 06:08:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C9AE182F5 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247C9E24A9B for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F323B19F736 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:08:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D2B19F733 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:08:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6445 invoked by uid 502); 4 May 2009 06:08:22 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2009 06:08:22 -0000 Message-ID: <49FE864E.1030302@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 23:08:14 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20090429210713.GD10663@the.earth.li> <9e908c1f0904291951i72ce7fa2j1b9c11a6d78a5c0e@mail.gmail.com> <49F91419.4080508@chucknorcutt.com> <20090503093834.GJ10663@the.earth.li> In-Reply-To: <20090503093834.GJ10663@the.earth.li> Subject: Re: [OM] A road trip of sorts. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 08:08:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe865e314185368819438 Patrick Moore wrote: Like others, I found the navigation a strong disincentive to full viewing of the galleries. I did find several shots I liked quite a bit, browsing through the thumbnails and clicking on those that looked most interesting > Fixing my gallery software (or indeed moving across to Flikr or similar) is very high on my list of things to do. I've a new desktop and monitor which I'm using as a motivator for such things. > There's really no need to spend time "fixing", nor to go to the awfulness that is Flikr. Although prepping the images for the gallery I just posted took time, creating and putting up the gallery was very quick and easy. I'm sure there are other good, free gallery creation apps, but I can certainly recommend Jalbum and Singapore. With Jalbum, in this case, I simply dragged the folder with the web sized images into the app, made some box checking option choices, clicked Generate, then Preview to see locally what the finished product would look like. After changing the misspelling in the title and changing the number of thumbnails per row/column, I used the Regenerate Changes option, then the Publish button. Give it the details for FTP login to my ISP space and it automagically sends the gallery up there. No need to even use FTP myself. If you make changes to a published gallery, there's an option to only upload changes, which saves lots of time. It also does hierarchical galleries like yours, with layers of images grouped however you want. Choice of appearance is almost infinite, as there are many skins available and those I've looked at have oodles of options. But one needn't spend a lot of time on that. Just take a look at the samples on their web site and pick one you like. Just download and run to install any skin. Unless one has the need to program, or for some very unusual display, there's simply no need to spend any time on getting one's images up in an attractive and highly functional gallery. It can all be quite quick and painless. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 08:13:33 2009 Received: (qmail 14402 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 06:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 06:13:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F8FE182E0 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6FEE24A9B for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2564B34AC025 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:13:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D0034AC024 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:13:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 23:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9087 invoked by uid 502); 4 May 2009 06:13:27 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2009 06:13:27 -0000 Message-ID: <49FE8783.7000607@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 23:13:23 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9166D7DF-7A4F-4DFE-A06F-B02617707A6C@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: cricket X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 08:13:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe878d144071993019900 Bob Whitmire wrote: > My particular favorite was the blonde spectator, barely visible in the crowd. Thanks for the heads up, Bob. I've seen Nathan's cricket shots before. They are more than competent. However, I understand baseball and pics of it fail to engage me. So ... I would have missed that shot. ;-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 09:03:25 2009 Received: (qmail 17805 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 07:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 07:03:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42122E182E3 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E99BE24A9B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0169834AC027 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:03:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4847B34AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:03:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5737 invoked by uid 502); 4 May 2009 07:03:15 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-172-59.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.172.59) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2009 07:03:15 -0000 Message-ID: <49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 00:03:10 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 09:03:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe933d18511073733319 Ken Norton wrote: > Moose, > A nice collection of photographs there. Thanks! > I also liked the ducks I just had to include two. In the first, they are all in formation. In the second, it's hard to tell from the shot whether they are breaking ranks or starting some sort of fancy zig-zag drill. :-) the former was, as you might guess, the case. > , but the couple eating was right up there too. > Did you like the juxtaposition of their double reflection in glass doors with the direct view? Such a different "feel" to the alternate views. > Could you expound on something though. Most likely, and quite likely at some length. :-) Let's see what happens. > I noticed that all or nearly all images had an exposure compensation of -2/3. As you were shooting in bright > sunlight, did you happen to have sunglasses on and you needed to compensate for the viewfinder-based exposure sensor, or is it strictly user-preference to preserve as much highlight as possible? > Essentially the latter. Although I test it with each new camera, I've regularly found that -2/3 to -1 EV gives me the most useful images in direct sunlight and other contrasty situations with very bright parts of the subjects in which I want to retain tonal detail. This was true starting with my first digicam, although its relatively limited dynamic range and high noise in shadows made adjustment for flatter light or subjects more important. With the 5D and F30, it's pretty safe to leave -2/3 all the time I'm outdoors without fairly heavy overcast. The A650 is less forgiving at ISOs above 200, so I may adjust EV compensation more when using it. Considering your past rants and jibes on the subject, you may be surprised to learn that I very seldom chimp. On a day like that one, I'll probably check the color histogram at the start and on the occasional shot in different light, and very occasionally check what I caught. I can't imagine I chimped as much as 5% of the shots that day. I paid a price with one shot I thought would be great lost to motion blur, and a few others iffy for larger size. But it's worth it to spend that time enjoying my surroundings and letting my eyes find new photo ops, rather than peering into the little "box". So next time I'll lean toward higher ISOs in the shade, but now I know the capabilities and limits of the VC lens better. Just as many people adjusted the asa/iso settings for film based on their results, I believe digital cameras make some assumptions that aren't ideal for my use. I don't know about E-1 images, and you've not really worked with images from cameras with essentially no noise up to ISO 200, verrry little up to 800 and good shadow detail retention. It is relatively easy to bring up shadow detail and integrate it into the contrast curve with such images, while blown highlights are simply gone. Sure, there is a fair amount of additional highlight range in RAW images, but I only shoot RAW where available, so I'm already counting on that. Also, beyond a certain point, its possible to recover luminance detail, but it starts to lose color. There are a few images in the gallery, as in the bamboo grove, where I let the highlight recovery pull down completely blown bits to gray, simply so they wouldn' pull the eye away from the primary subject. If I'm in that situation at -2/3 in deep shade, imagine what I'd have had at 0 EV, yuck. YEt many people would og with 0 or positive EV in that situation, I'll bet. There are lots of images in this gallery where subtle detail in deep shadow was "enhanced" to avoid the complete black that straight conversion would give. I'm usually bemused when I read about limited dynamic range in digital cameras. Sure, it's limited, but not nearly as much as most folks say. Mike J. on TOP recently posted about that, using examples of the three exposures needed to capture the complete dynamic range of a shot of strong sun and deep shade in his back yard. Working with his darkest example, it was easy to recover virtually all the range of the three - from a modest JPEG on his blog. Sure, there were JPEG artifacts in the deepest shadows, but there wouldn't been if working with the original. And that was inside the garage, seen through a door already in the shade. I've posted this before, but it's a great example of what's lurking hidden in the shadows. I originally took two shots at different exposures to capture the brightness range of the subject. When I opened them to combine them, it was quickly obvious that I didn't need the bright one. Roll over and take a look at the original. It's REALLY underexposed, hardly reaching the 60% point on the histogram. Then look at the result, a full range histogram with no blown highlights and lots of shadow detail. And remember, that's from a small camera with JPEG output only! Imagine what depths are hiding in the shadows of a 5D RAW image. Back to the question, the -2/3 is an empirically based setting to get the kind of digital "negs" I want. When my cameras are put away in a bag, they are left at default, get the shot without thought, settings, AE, AF, ISO 400, daylight WB, -2/3 EV, full battery and empty card. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 09:45:22 2009 Received: (qmail 23915 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 07:45:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 07:45:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57843E182B8 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097B0E24A9B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D392234AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:45:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE4D34AC025 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:45:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26364 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 07:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 May 2009 07:45:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9A603005-4263-42AE-8984-12E1E4C816DE@mailcan.com> References: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> <9A603005-4263-42AE-8984-12E1E4C816DE@mailcan.com> Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:45:07 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 09:45:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe9d12169282336821329 Has it occurred that about 3-5% of the population is unemployed because they are fundamentally unemployable? The mad, the bad and the sad; the challenged in oh so many ways. I have encountered in a classroom a small proportion who no-one in their right mind would ever employ. Unfortunately, at one point, that included my Principal but that is a quite different story. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/05/2009, at 7:53 AM, James R wrote: > From my rather thin knowledge it strikes me that even in good > times unemployment is typically stuck at a minimum rate of about 5 > percent and rises a good deal in times such as we are living through > now. Having those in employment working long hours just reduces the > overall number of jobs the system can support, which surely must > increase unemployment and therefore the tax load on those employed. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 09:50:20 2009 Received: (qmail 24602 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 07:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 07:50:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326ACE182EE for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B92CE24A9B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E388719DD2F for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:50:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CA419DD2B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:50:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 00:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27749 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 07:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 May 2009 07:50:06 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49FE8783.7000607@gmail.com> References: <9166D7DF-7A4F-4DFE-A06F-B02617707A6C@frozenlight.eu> <49FE8783.7000607@gmail.com> Message-Id: <32698FC5-74E6-4923-93FD-E5ADFB8AA42D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:50:08 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: cricket X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 09:50:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fe9e3c138281591313764 Then you have missed a great deal for cricket is the game so significant that murkins literally invented Baseball to avoid playing it (source: Ken Burns) and as I've said before, it has a strange mixture of solemnity, courtesy, complexity and absolute bloody terror that can only be appreciated by the genuinely adult mind. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/05/2009, at 4:13 PM, Moose wrote: > Thanks for the heads up, Bob. I've seen Nathan's cricket shots before. > They are more than competent. However, I understand baseball and > pics of > it fail to engage me. So ... I would have missed that shot. ;-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 11:04:57 2009 Received: (qmail 32736 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 09:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 09:04:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2509BE18302 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EA4E24A9B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CE819DF4F for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:04:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95DE19DF4E for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:04:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sandyinchina@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f171.google.com (mail-qy0-f171.google.com [209.85.221.171]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1so7113636qyk.22 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 02:04:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.85.132 with SMTP id o4mr2971009qcl.0.1241427889126; Mon, 04 May 2009 02:04:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <32698FC5-74E6-4923-93FD-E5ADFB8AA42D@people.net.au> References: <9166D7DF-7A4F-4DFE-A06F-B02617707A6C@frozenlight.eu> <49FE8783.7000607@gmail.com> <32698FC5-74E6-4923-93FD-E5ADFB8AA42D@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:04:49 +0800 Message-ID: From: Sandy Harris To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: cricket X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 11:04:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49feafb9132601499373980 On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Then you have missed a great deal for cricket is the game so > significant that murkins ... Not to be confused with merkins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 11:30:17 2009 Received: (qmail 29329 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 09:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 09:30:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1231AE18300 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2D6E24A9B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF9A19DFD2 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:30:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E2D19DF7F for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:30:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ians-mac-pro.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 4 May 2009 11:30:10 +0200 Message-ID: <49FEB5A1.8010605@picturepedia.org> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 11:30:09 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> <9A603005-4263-42AE-8984-12E1E4C816DE@mailcan.com> <96E155C3ECC54461955BD5B469538C7B@hudson> In-Reply-To: <96E155C3ECC54461955BD5B469538C7B@hudson> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2009 09:30:10.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB5CB0C0:01C9CC9A] Subject: [OM] ARTY pictures was Re: Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 11:30:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49feb5a913937350615338 Well I have over 12 weeks oustanding holiday and flexi time that I have as yet been unable to take, I also do more at work than my junior colleagues even though they spend the same time at work (you can only delegate if they will actually do the work) BUT I still manage to take pictures every week and so I wondered if I could try and do a PAW arty gallery myself - not with an M8 though, mostly E3. Life is all about priorities and photography is about carrying a camera with you always ( I learnt this from a postman who always had a camera in his van) - with modern programs and websites its takes no time at all to load a pictures for others to see so snap while you eat or walk the dog as nathan does or like me with an ankle biter balanced on one foot a toddler under one arm and a half eaten sandwich held by my teeth in my mouth I still have a free hand to shoot, thank goodness for IS I hope you enjoy this my first weeks arty pictures upload - comments and constructive criticism always welcome otherwise how will I ever improve !! http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/8100207_JddWM#527979201_Jma2C > about working hours. From those who work few a week, enjoy extended > vacations, many stat holidays and the opportunity to pack an M8 where ever > they go make sure that your PAD and like posting are abundant. They are > interesting and worth viewing. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 11:39:42 2009 Received: (qmail 18842 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 09:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 09:39:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DECE182B3 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35603E24A9B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5CE34AC026 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:39:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB35134AC025 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:39:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jmalmstrom@mac.com whitelisted) Received: from asmtpout029.mac.com (asmtpout029.mac.com [17.148.16.104]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:39:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [172.28.2.12] (c-83-233-110-14.cust.bredband2.com [83.233.110.14]) by asmtp029.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KJ4000585HXRT90@asmtp029.mac.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 04 May 2009 02:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_Malmstr=F6m?= To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 11:39:32 +0200 References: <9166D7DF-7A4F-4DFE-A06F-B02617707A6C@frozenlight.eu> <49FE8783.7000607@gmail.com> <32698FC5-74E6-4923-93FD-E5ADFB8AA42D@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: cricket X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 11:39:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49feb7de29229117217770 How lovely! St. Peter's beard indeed! / Johan 4 maj 2009 kl. 11.04 skrev Sandy Harris: > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Andrew Fildes > wrote: >> Then you have missed a great deal for cricket is the game so >> significant that murkins ... > > Not to be confused with merkins > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin > > -- > Sandy Harris, > Quanzhou, Fujian, China > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 11:43:59 2009 Received: (qmail 11841 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 09:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 09:43:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5BEE182B2 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E1EE24A9B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02F219E02A for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:43:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7B119E011 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:43:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8D4461532 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 11:05:30 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <35ADD25E-1184-49CE-B591-5CBE90BCDBC7@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:43:49 +0100 References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 11:43:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49feb8df39351234514069 Thanks, Moose. I started writing a list of ones that I liked (I had to write, as CoolIris robs my Mac of its normal ability to switch to another programme such as a text editor), but stopped as I wasn't going to write a post with a possibly tedious list of filenames. I don't find photos of scenes in high sun particularly attractive, although I do make images like that anyway (:-)); I did like ones with subdued light such as the avenue of trees (5672) and the lady in the floral pyjamas (5705), I don't know why I liked the chap with the beard (5689); I liked the picture graffiti on bamboo (5706) although it seems to be the height of presumption of the graffiti artist that people who go there to see plants would enjoy their cheap pseudo-art. The seagull, child and girl (5803) is an interesting and appealing composition, but the most intriguing was the magical shot of what looked like plants in front of a sheet of falling water (5736). Chris On 3 May 2009, at 06:28, Moose wrote: > 135 images is way too many in one way. However, I wanted to simply > show > the chronological story of our wanderings and the things tha caught my > eye. Anything shorter is a selection of favorites, rather than a > travelogue. I've put it up with Jalbum, so there is a slide show > feature > by clicking the upper right button on any index or image page for low > effort viewing. > > > There are certainly some images I really love included, along with - > aaaaahhh - baby ducklings, a few people, including one trying to > become > invisible in unusual camouflage, what appear in context to be aliens > and > a lone bit of urban Whimsy, especially for Tom, at the end. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 11:54:04 2009 Received: (qmail 14625 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 09:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 09:54:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7C5E182EC for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F76E24A9B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C97334AC025 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:53:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3F234AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:53:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 02:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ians-mac-pro.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 4 May 2009 11:53:56 +0200 Message-ID: <49FEBB33.9020404@picturepedia.org> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 11:53:55 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2009 09:53:56.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D5046A0:01C9CC9E] Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 11:54:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49febb3c121631869477228 Thanks Moose, I enjoyed those! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 12:04:08 2009 Received: (qmail 28958 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 10:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 10:04:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290DAE182F4 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93A4E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B2519E05E for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:04:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AC719DE14 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:04:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21156 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2009 10:04:00 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2009 10:04:00 -0000 Message-ID: <49FEBD8E.2090907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 06:03:58 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503222909.00bf0ab8@mail.threshinc.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503222909.00bf0ab8@mail.threshinc.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090503-0, 05/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Here's looking at you, kid X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 12:04:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49febd9834861234514069 Great catch, Peter. Chuck Norcutt Peter Klein wrote: > At Seattle's Green Lake on Sunday. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032676MomBabyPugCrop3BW-bw.jpg.html > > The above was my final crop. Here is my initial edit, in color. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032676MomBabyPugsCrop2-w.jpg.html > > E-510 and 14-54. > > --Peter > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 12:18:23 2009 Received: (qmail 21389 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 10:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 10:18:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65886E182E2 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366BFE24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D2D19E0CC for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:18:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BBA19E0BE for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:18:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28707 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2009 10:18:12 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2009 10:18:12 -0000 Message-ID: <49FEC0E3.7010609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 06:18:11 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503224039.00c04f58@mail.threshinc.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503224039.00c04f58@mail.threshinc.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090503-0, 05/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Sunday in the Park with Peter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 12:18:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fec0ef63921744846740 Well done. Including some competition for Nathan's se=F1oritas. I think = I'm with the color versions on most of these. Chuck Norcutt Peter Klein wrote: > More from a walk around Seattle's Green Lake. Where I've paired a B&W and = > color photo, I prefer B&W and my wife prefers color. What do you think? > = > The baby is lighter... > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032675PugStrollerCrop-= bw.jpg.html > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032675PugStrollerCrop-= w.jpg.html > = > A little motion blur on this, but I loved the T-shirt. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032694JuicyGirl-bw.jpg= .html > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032694JuicyGirl-w.jpg.= html > = > Got brains? > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032679GotBrains-bw.jpg= .html > = > At first it was called the South Lake Union Trolley. Then city officials = > hastily renamed it the South Lake Union *Streetcar*. I don't think it he= lped. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032686RideSlut-bw.jpg.= html > = > Adopt me. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032690AdoptMe-w.jpg.ht= ml > = > "I'm in jail," he told me. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032695ImInJail-bw.jpg.= html > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032695ImInJail-w.jpg.h= tml > = > A natural sculpture: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032681Turtles-w.jpg.ht= ml > = > All with the E-510 and 14-54. > = > Enjoy! > --Peter > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 12:36:56 2009 Received: (qmail 21493 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 10:36:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 10:36:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E76E182F6 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60011E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C79134AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:36:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D5234AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:36:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 03:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7575 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2009 10:36:48 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090503-0, 05/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ARTY pictures was Re: Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 12:36:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fec548300017350615338 Some interesting images there. At first glance I thought the rainbow was a spectral reflection from something metallic and that the grain was some small stones. What are the birds in "off to the pub"? Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > Well I have over 12 weeks oustanding holiday and flexi time that I have > as yet been unable to take, I also do more at work than my junior > colleagues even though they spend the same time at work (you can only > delegate if they will actually do the work) BUT I still manage to take > pictures every week and so I wondered if I could try and do a PAW arty > gallery myself - not with an M8 though, mostly E3. > > Life is all about priorities and photography is about carrying a camera > with you always ( I learnt this from a postman who always had a camera > in his van) - with modern programs and websites its takes no time at > all to load a pictures for others to see so snap while you eat or walk > the dog as nathan does or like me with an ankle biter balanced on one > foot a toddler under one arm and a half eaten sandwich held by my teeth > in my mouth I still have a free hand to shoot, thank goodness for IS > > I hope you enjoy this my first weeks arty pictures upload - comments and > constructive criticism always welcome otherwise how will I ever improve !! > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/8100207_JddWM#527979201_Jma2C >> about working hours. From those who work few a week, enjoy extended >> vacations, many stat holidays and the opportunity to pack an M8 where ever >> they go make sure that your PAD and like posting are abundant. They are >> interesting and worth viewing. >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 13:35:26 2009 Received: (qmail 845 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 11:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 11:35:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08EEE182DB for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 04:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FFAE24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 04:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBE534AC025 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 04:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E248634AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 04:35:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 04:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ians-mac-pro.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 4 May 2009 13:35:17 +0200 Message-ID: <49FED2F4.7000907@picturepedia.org> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 13:35:16 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> <9A603005-4263-42AE-8984-12E1E4C816DE@mailcan.com> <96E155C3ECC54461955BD5B469538C7B@hudson> <49FEB5A1.8010605@picturepedia.org> <49FEC53E.3040204@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49FEC53E.3040204@chucknorcutt.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2009 11:35:17.0266 (UTC) FILETIME=[65E41F20:01C9CCAC] Subject: Re: [OM] ARTY pictures was Re: Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 13:35:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fed2fe71021234514069 I am not sure, here is a picture with its mother (or father), I am sure someone on the list will know, I thought grebe but the internet thought otherwise ;-) http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/7009141_k2AJN#527291369_SkatE Thanks for looking and commenting. IanW Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Some interesting images there. At first glance I thought the rainbow > was a spectral reflection from something metallic and that the grain was > some small stones. What are the birds in "off to the pub"? > > Chuck Norcutt > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 14:16:16 2009 Received: (qmail 20625 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 12:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 12:16:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E5CE182FC for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C515E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F50634AC029 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:16:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFDC34AC026 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:16:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.83]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ4009ETCQO5O48@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 04 May 2009 07:16:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49FEDC89.3090701@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 08:16:09 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49FA1492.9060509@verizon.net> In-reply-to: <49FA1492.9060509@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [OM] refurbed OM-4Ti rec'd from Olympus X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 14:16:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fedc90262191823421471 Sounds like a bad LCD or alignment is not correct. 2000 just does not light but you can faintly see image where 2000 is? Four dots over 4 dashes, don't know what that is. I'm sure you've already decided to send it back. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Russ Butler wrote: > Today I received one of the 4Ti's that Olympus had on oboy: 270377649971 > > The body is cosmetically perfect and it came with a new strap, used > manual and batteries (though one of them was dead!) It seems to work > fine with fresh batteries but it's different/weird in these respects: > > a) The shutter speed display in the viewfinder stops at 1000 vs 2000 vs. > my other 4T, a new circuit 4, & as shown in the manual. > b) It has a pattern in the far left of the viewfinder: four dots above > four dashes. That's new to me. > c) It beeps but does flash "OVER" in the viewfinder when overexposing. > > It has a very high serial number: 223xxxx (vs. my others 104xxxx & 114xxxx). > > I suspect that it is neither an OM-4T nor 4Ti, but I'm no expert. > Luckily I know where the experts hang out :-) > What's the verdict? > > I intend to return the body to Olympus unless I hear that I have scored > an ultra rare variant :-) > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 14:16:48 2009 Received: (qmail 10507 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 12:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 12:16:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2652E182B2 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC5CE24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A7234AC026 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:16:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210A134AC025 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:16:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 5 mons 19 days 16:40:51 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-28-127.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.28.127]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n44CGTdg022666 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 09:16:30 -0300 Message-ID: <49FEDCA0.4030608@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 09:16:32 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB9A571FBD4BA4-56C-4769@WEBMAIL-MY09.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB9A571FBD4BA4-56C-4769@WEBMAIL-MY09.sysops.aol.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 14:16:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fedcb082269347015869 ...... and the yellow flower too! Had realized the insect could be plastic or anything but its natural exoskeleton, it draw my attention so much that I lost size estimation and just ignored the flower. Thanks for pointing that out, Mike. usher99@aol.com wrote: > There was a stealth pseudo high > mag macro--- the insect is metal--I remember that > statue from my last visit to that park -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 14:36:33 2009 Received: (qmail 6022 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 12:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 12:36:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FF3E182FC for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C783E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7186419E44A for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:36:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C970119E445 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:36:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17478 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2009 12:36:23 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090503-0, 05/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ARTY pictures was Re: Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 14:36:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fee1513742046811720 It appears to be a Eurasian Coot (Fulica atra), also called a European Coot in the US. Similar to the American Coot (Fulica americana) also called a marsh hen or mud hen As you can see here the chicks are similar too Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > I am not sure, here is a picture with its mother (or father), I am sure > someone on the list will know, I thought grebe but the internet thought > otherwise ;-) > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/7009141_k2AJN#527291369_SkatE > > Thanks for looking and commenting. > > IanW > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Some interesting images there. At first glance I thought the rainbow >> was a spectral reflection from something metallic and that the grain was >> some small stones. What are the birds in "off to the pub"? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 14:41:01 2009 Received: (qmail 30903 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 12:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 12:40:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B6EE182E6 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97382E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8454C19E4BF for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:40:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE5419E485 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:40:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl38.gs02.gridserver.com (cl38.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.47]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50450 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl38.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0xTZ-0004Vq-MP for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 04 May 2009 05:40:53 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 08:40:50 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Working hours Thread-Index: AcnMtY37zMF38jioEd6tPAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 14:41:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fee25d34058512572685 Unemployment rates usually only count those looking for jobs. The disabled, mentally ill, etc. do not usually look for work. They live off family, or welfare, or disability payments from the govt. I know a lot of highly educated, hardworking, intelligent people who cannot find any kind of job. There is a huge number of unemployed university grads where I live, including myself. Many of us have been unemployed for YEARS at a stretch, we apply for hundreds of jobs and never even get an interview. There just aren't enough jobs for the number of people in the world. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/4/09 3:45 AM, "Andrew Fildes" wrote: > Has it occurred that about 3-5% of the population is unemployed > because they are fundamentally unemployable? The mad, the bad and the > sad; the challenged in oh so many ways. I have encountered in a > classroom a small proportion who no-one in their right mind would > ever employ. Unfortunately, at one point, that included my Principal > but that is a quite different story. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 04/05/2009, at 7:53 AM, James R wrote: > >> From my rather thin knowledge it strikes me that even in good >> times unemployment is typically stuck at a minimum rate of about 5 >> percent and rises a good deal in times such as we are living through >> now. Having those in employment working long hours just reduces the >> overall number of jobs the system can support, which surely must >> increase unemployment and therefore the tax load on those employed. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 14:50:16 2009 Received: (qmail 17202 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 12:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 12:50:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D708E182FA for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52879E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2871E34AC029 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:50:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598A034AC026 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:50:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 05:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.83]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ400842EB3J5ET@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 04 May 2009 07:49:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49FEE477.6020506@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 08:49:59 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <49FA1492.9060509@verizon.net> <49FA17E3.3090700@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] refurbed OM-4Ti rec'd from Olympus X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 14:50:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fee48813454673671140 Right, lcd NG ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html David Bell wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > > >> b) It has a pattern in the far left of the viewfinder: four dots above >> four dashes. That's new to me. > > > Is that not the 2000 display only faulty "pixels"? > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 15:53:59 2009 Received: (qmail 31505 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 13:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 13:53:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41EAFE182FE for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 06:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4B1E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 06:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EDE19E6BD for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 06:53:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60E019E699 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 06:53:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f171.google.com (mail-qy0-f171.google.com [209.85.221.171]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 06:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1so7387665qyk.22 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 06:53:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.37.79 with SMTP id w15mr5812929qad.139.1241445230934; Mon, 04 May 2009 06:53:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503224039.00c04f58@mail.threshinc.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503224039.00c04f58@mail.threshinc.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:53:50 -0400 Message-ID: <14883a8b0905040653u2c40dab0w43c69f3f6e3b9f2c@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Sunday in the Park with Peter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 15:53:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fef37787945368819438 Well done Peter; some very nice images. I'm not sure the one image has "motion blur" so much as the autofocus choosing to focus on the trees in the background. Doesn't matter though, you are getting into Nathan territory . Charlie On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Peter Klein wrote: > More from a walk around Seattle's Green Lake. Where I've paired a B&W and > color photo, I prefer B&W and my wife prefers color. What do you think? > > The baby is lighter... > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032675PugStrollerCrop-bw.jpg.html > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032675PugStrollerCrop-w.jpg.html > > A little motion blur on this, but I loved the T-shirt. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032694JuicyGirl-bw.jpg.html > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032694JuicyGirl-w.jpg.html > > Got brains? > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032679GotBrains-bw.jpg.html > > At first it was called the South Lake Union Trolley. Then city officials > hastily renamed it the South Lake Union *Streetcar*. I don't think it > helped. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032686RideSlut-bw.jpg.html > > Adopt me. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032690AdoptMe-w.jpg.html > > "I'm in jail," he told me. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032695ImInJail-bw.jpg.html > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032695ImInJail-w.jpg.html > > A natural sculpture: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032681Turtles-w.jpg.html > > All with the E-510 and 14-54. > > Enjoy! > --Peter > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 16:08:25 2009 Received: (qmail 643 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 14:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 14:08:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21CBE182FB for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CA2E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5803819E71D for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:08:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360FB19E709 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:08:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f158.google.com (mail-bw0-f158.google.com [209.85.218.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so3657712bwz.14 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 07:08:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.114.136 with SMTP id e8mr5758509bkq.190.1241446093617; Mon, 04 May 2009 07:08:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:08:13 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2976805cf862db2c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 16:08:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fef6d9205371342116753 > > Unemployment rates usually only count those looking for jobs. The disabled, > mentally ill, etc. do not usually look for work. This is partially true. The US employment data incorporates a "fudge factor" for those not filing claims. The exact number used in this calculation does vary based on "political adjustment", but is generally in the 3% region. When the media reports that unemployment rate is down in one particular week because it snowed in New York, this is patently absurd. The calculations are based on actual claims as well as sample data used to level out the outliers. This is also why you must look at the rolling averages, not any one week's report. Regarding those who "give up" searching and filing, well, then it becomes an issue of "household" calculation. If, for example, a household has too employable people. One is working, the other not. If the one not employed "gives up" searching and filing, is the person out on the street? The household is "underemployed", yes, "unemployed", no. If a person chooses to no longer search and file, then they have effectively removed themselves from the employment pool. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 16:14:25 2009 Received: (qmail 8091 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 14:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 14:14:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3EAE182F1 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF19E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A330434AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:14:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A798634AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:14:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ralf_loi@it.ibm.com whitelisted) Received: from mtagate8.de.ibm.com (mtagate8.de.ibm.com [195.212.29.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate8.de.ibm.com (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n44EDXKW607276 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:13:33 GMT Received: from d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.229]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.2) with ESMTP id n44EDWOH2662486 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:13:32 +0200 Received: from d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n44EDWBw023391 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:13:32 +0200 Received: from d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.166.154]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n44EDTEb023331 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:13:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-Disclaimed: 20158 To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Ralf Loi X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 04/05/2009 16.13.34, Serialize by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 04/05/2009 16.13.34, Serialize complete at 04/05/2009 16.13.34, S/MIME Sign failed at 04/05/2009 16.13.34: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on D12ML401/12/M/IBM(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 04/05/2009 16:13:29, Serialize complete at 04/05/2009 16:13:29 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:13:28 +0200 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Odyssey, was Item number: 270379837711 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 16:14:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fef841215881585427447 I had the camera in June last year for about two weeks and shipped it to the Czech Republic to Radovan Faltus just before my summer vacation. After my return I found some mail from Radovan telling me that the camera arrived safely, and later asking where to send it after use, and also where to send the photos. I replied with the list people I had, pointing to Karl-Hans Lehnet as the next recipient - in fact before Radovan answered I was about to send the camera to KH Lehnet. Radovan never replied to my mail, but his photos are on the site. I don't know if he has yet the camera or if he shipped it and to whom. Ralf Loi Michael Collins 30/04/2009 14.21 Please respond to Olympus Camera Discussion To Olympus Camera Discussion cc Subject Re: [OM] Odyssey, was Item number: 270379837711 No word from the two most recent recipients, in site of reminders. I have sent another pair of "reminder" e-mail messages today. Michael On 4/30/09 1:42 AM, Iwert wrote: > Yes, > > Indeed, where are they? I think the EU one got stuck somewhere after > Italy heading for the east? Can the last owners please check with the > recipients if the cameras can be set free? > > Iwert. > > Op 30-apr-09, om 04:36 heeft Chuck Norcutt het volgende geschreven: > >> Yeah! Where are the Odyssey cameras? Maybe it's time to just request >> their return to their owners. >> >> Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 16:25:24 2009 Received: (qmail 13668 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 14:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 14:25:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC1BE182F2 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D216FE24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC95534AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:25:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E90034AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:25:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts13.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.34]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip5.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.88]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090504142513.LQXE1559.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip5.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 10:25:13 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtACABKY/klGGKtR/2dsb2JhbAAIzV+DfQU Received: from bas4-toronto46-1176021841.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([70.24.171.81]) by toip5.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 04 May 2009 10:32:12 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 10:25:11 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Odyssey Thread-Index: AcnMxCHUYKEyLji3Ed6HgwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Odyssey X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 16:25:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fefad4206218512572685 Radovan sent the camera to Karl-Hans, when then sent it on to Andreas Pirner. I have had no response from either Karl-Hans or Andreas by e-mail, so have sent a letter by post to Karl-Hans asking for Andreas' contact information (i.e., where the camera was sent) - I'll then try him by post. As for the NA OO camera, I cannot contact Scott Gomez by e-mail either, so have sent him an enquiry by post. Michael On 5/4/09 10:13 AM, Ralf Loi wrote: > I had the camera in June last year for about two weeks and shipped it to > the Czech Republic to Radovan Faltus just before my summer vacation. > After my return I found some mail from Radovan telling me that the camera > arrived safely, and later asking where to send it after use, and also > where to send the photos. I replied with the list people I had, pointing > to Karl-Hans Lehnet as the next recipient - in fact before Radovan > answered I was about to send the camera to KH Lehnet. Radovan never > replied to my mail, but his photos are on the site. I don't know if he has > yet the camera or if he shipped it and to whom. > > Ralf Loi -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 16:52:20 2009 Received: (qmail 11226 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 14:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 14:52:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4740EE182EE for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273A2E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4FD19E862 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:52:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350AC19D9B2 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:52:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n44Eq3SM008245 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:52:03 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503224039.00c04f58@mail.threshinc.com> <14883a8b0905040653u2c40dab0w43c69f3f6e3b9f2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:49:46 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: [OM] Tin Hau Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 16:52:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff0124213991946193717 Here are some photos from the Tin Hau Parade in Yuen Long, Hong Kong on Apr 18. This was my third time in this yearly event, the first time with E-1, 11-22 and 50-200, the second time 40D and Tamron 17-50. This year I brought the 5D II with OM 28-48 and 65-200, I like the result better this year. For the wide shot, many of them has too sharp background with motion blur on the object that give an impression of back focus, next year I will try to use larger aperture or focus a little closer. The 65-200 is a little slow in focusing (tight), my OM 50-250 is better but I'm a bit worry about its OOF character. http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/YL09/YL09.htm C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 17:30:36 2009 Received: (qmail 30502 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 15:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 15:30:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04877E18302 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 08:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB95E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 08:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45D734AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 08:30:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672C934AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 08:30:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f158.google.com (mail-bw0-f158.google.com [209.85.218.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 08:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so3731613bwz.14 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:30:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.114.136 with SMTP id e8mr5828526bkq.190.1241451026716; Mon, 04 May 2009 08:30:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503224039.00c04f58@mail.threshinc.com> <14883a8b0905040653u2c40dab0w43c69f3f6e3b9f2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:30:26 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4da1ad25a38bef8a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 17:30:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff0a1c325871823421471 Very nice! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 18:01:13 2009 Received: (qmail 15856 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 16:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 16:01:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BF0E18303 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 09:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E3CE24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 09:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B14D34AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 09:01:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CD534AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 09:01:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f164.google.com (mail-fx0-f164.google.com [209.85.220.164]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 09:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so2210673fxm.14 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 09:01:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.60.148 with SMTP id p20mr5811357bkh.165.1241452864171; Mon, 04 May 2009 09:01:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:01:04 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6c5da54f9f241032 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 18:01:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff114920891529615919 Moose, No, there was absolutely no "anti-Canon" thoughts in my mind when I asked. It was an honest inquiry. Based on your comments, I'm seeing several things that are coming to mind. 1. The Olympus E-1, specifically, and most 4/3 cameras in general, tend to "underexpose" the scene. Needing to further dial down the exposure compensation is unneeded in this lighting condition and in fact many people actually go the opposite direction. 2. Glasses and eye-distance from the viewfinder do matter. I can get the E-1 to swing a stop in some situations just by where I have my eye or whether or not I have my sunglasses on. 3. Today's "matrix" (or whatever each brand calls it) metering is applying artificial intelligence to the metering and making guestimates as to the scene. For example, my A1 does fine in bright sunlight, unless I put a polarizer on the lens, then it completely misreads the scene. This is because the camera KNOWS when it is in bright sunlight because of the EV values in the matrix. But by placing a polarizer on the lens, the EV value drops and the matrix is unable to compensate. It either applies the wrong program or defaults back to centerweighted mode. These algorithms are pretty specific and something as simple as a polarizer can screw them up. 4. User preference. Obviously this is something that each of us applies to our way of shooting. However, even with the -2/3 compensation, I still thought Moose's images were a touch on the high side. But that's my own preference for a richer (darker) scene. 5. Manufacturing variability. I keenly recall how the Nikon F4 was all over the boards. John Show, for example, had almost 1.5 stops of variability among three of his F4 bodies. 6. Exposure lock vs. live exposure. I do not have my cameras set up for half-press exposure lock. Others do. I discovered that when I half-press and recompose that more often than not my exposure is incorrect for the recomposed scene. If I want to lock exposure, I'll press the AEL or will shoot manual exposure mode. Part of my preference on this is the use of the OM bodies which are live exposure. Since I go back and forth between systems, it's better for me to use a single style of auto exposure. What all this proves is that there is no way you can just pick up a camera and start shooting and expect it to perform exactly as desired without testing, observation and analysis. What works for one person won't for another and what works for one camera won't for another. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 19:16:14 2009 Received: (qmail 10970 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 17:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 17:16:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCA3E182C9 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 10:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030A0E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 10:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA1D34AC026 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 10:16:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEE434AC027 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 10:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 10:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n44HG3vO007067 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 01:16:04 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam><802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu><7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com><49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 01:15:37 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 19:16:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff22de211451342116753 I also set my 5D II at -2/3 most of the time and found the exposures were more close to my requirement but I don't know if MF lenses has anything to do with the accurate of exposure. On the other hand I don't see big influence on side light entering viewfinder eyepiece. For highlight rendering, no matter how the test reports say I found much more highlight hard clipping with the Canyon than my E-1, I mean when the subject is under right exposure you will found more clipping on bright elements of the pictures. This was further confirmed with the histogram of the images from both cameras. Even I finally settled with a FF Canyon I'm not really happy with the tonal rendering of the images, they need a lots of post processing (curve/level) to look good. For mixed light I even have to go to the color palette to balance the color. As for the images from Moose, I have the same feeling as you, they are missing the richness I generally preferred. At the mean time I found they are a little harsh and over sharpened to my eyes. Just like the below sample, it seems too much LCE were used and the color/tone is a bit odd: http://galleries.moosemystic.net/StrybingArboretum/slides/_MG_5731ia.htm Other than these the images were nicely captured and composed. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > Moose, > > No, there was absolutely no "anti-Canon" thoughts in my mind when I asked. > It was an honest inquiry. > > Based on your comments, I'm seeing several things that are coming to mind. > > 1. The Olympus E-1, specifically, and most 4/3 cameras in general, tend to > "underexpose" the scene. Needing to further dial down the exposure > compensation is unneeded in this lighting condition and in fact many > people > actually go the opposite direction. > > 2. Glasses and eye-distance from the viewfinder do matter. I can get the > E-1 > to swing a stop in some situations just by where I have my eye or whether > or > not I have my sunglasses on. > > 3. Today's "matrix" (or whatever each brand calls it) metering is applying > artificial intelligence to the metering and making guestimates as to the > scene. For example, my A1 does fine in bright sunlight, unless I put a > polarizer on the lens, then it completely misreads the scene. This is > because the camera KNOWS when it is in bright sunlight because of the EV > values in the matrix. But by placing a polarizer on the lens, the EV value > drops and the matrix is unable to compensate. It either applies the wrong > program or defaults back to centerweighted mode. These algorithms are > pretty > specific and something as simple as a polarizer can screw them up. > > 4. User preference. Obviously this is something that each of us applies to > our way of shooting. However, even with the -2/3 compensation, I still > thought Moose's images were a touch on the high side. But that's my own > preference for a richer (darker) scene. > > 5. Manufacturing variability. I keenly recall how the Nikon F4 was all > over > the boards. John Show, for example, had almost 1.5 stops of variability > among three of his F4 bodies. > > 6. Exposure lock vs. live exposure. I do not have my cameras set up for > half-press exposure lock. Others do. I discovered that when I half-press > and recompose that more often than not my exposure is incorrect for the > recomposed scene. If I want to lock exposure, I'll press the AEL or will > shoot manual exposure mode. Part of my preference on this is the use of > the > OM bodies which are live exposure. Since I go back and forth between > systems, it's better for me to use a single style of auto exposure. > > > What all this proves is that there is no way you can just pick up a camera > and start shooting and expect it to perform exactly as desired without > testing, observation and analysis. What works for one person won't for > another and what works for one camera won't for another. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 19:42:00 2009 Received: (qmail 11650 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 17:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 17:41:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22ACE182B4 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 10:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423A0E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 10:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2236C19EDEC for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 10:41:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CA619EDE0 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 10:41:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 10:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18317 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2009 17:41:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090504-0, 05/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 19:42:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff28e8273251234514069 Some could use a little shadow/highlight adjustment but you've certainly = managed to find the se=F1oritas... again. :-) Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Here are some photos from the Tin Hau Parade in Yuen Long, Hong Kong on A= pr = > 18. This was my third time in this yearly event, the first time with E-1, = > 11-22 and 50-200, the second time 40D and Tamron 17-50. > = > This year I brought the 5D II with OM 28-48 and 65-200, I like the result = > better this year. For the wide shot, many of them has too sharp backgroun= d = > with motion blur on the object that give an impression of back focus, nex= t = > year I will try to use larger aperture or focus a little closer. The 65-2= 00 = > is a little slow in focusing (tight), my OM 50-250 is better but I'm a bi= t = > worry about its OOF character. > = > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/YL09/YL09.htm > = > C.H.Ling = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 21:10:51 2009 Received: (qmail 16647 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 19:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 19:10:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E692E182FE for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 12:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB79E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 12:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4E419EDEC for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 12:10:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCE119F0DC for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 12:10:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f164.google.com (mail-fx0-f164.google.com [209.85.220.164]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 12:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so2349796fxm.14 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 12:10:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.62.135 with SMTP id x7mr6020624bkh.95.1241464239881; Mon, 04 May 2009 12:10:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 14:10:39 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2efc8f683c1d469f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 21:10:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff3dbb151481499373980 > > As for the images from Moose, I have the same feeling as you, they are > missing the richness I generally preferred. At the mean time I found they > are a little harsh and over sharpened to my eyes. Just like the below > sample, it seems too much LCE were used and the color/tone is a bit odd: > > http://galleries.moosemystic.net/StrybingArboretum/slides/_MG_5731ia.htm > > Other than these the images were nicely captured and composed. > At F11, we might be seeing sharpening to compensate for diffraction limiting. That usually tightens the edges up, but you lose the texture within. The flowers, in this specific photograph have a waxy gloss to them, which makes them especially difficult to show micro-contrast. That said, micro-contrast is the major fatality to LCE. LCE is, by no means, a universal solution. The flowers are out here (finally), and I hope that tomorrow I can take a few pictures... I have plenty of film, plenty of cameras, plenty of lenses--but unfortunately not a plenty of time. We have a nice arboretum here that I go walking. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 21:31:56 2009 Received: (qmail 20215 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 19:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 19:31:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572F0E182C8 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 12:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315DFE24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 12:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A7734AC027 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 12:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE99534AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 12:31:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 5 mons 19 days 23:56:06 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-6-117.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.6.117]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n44JVe4h005221 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:31:41 -0300 Message-ID: <49FF429F.6080302@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 16:31:43 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 21:31:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff42ac4041585427447 Just to say that I completely agree. Feels good to know it was not a consequence of misusing LCE. Several times had to go tenths of steps backwards ..... Fernando. Ken Norton wrote: > > That said, > micro-contrast is the major fatality to LCE. LCE is, by no means, a > universal solution. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 22:21:11 2009 Received: (qmail 20488 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 20:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 20:21:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD97E182FE for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507AEE24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B8419F1C4 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:21:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D18619F1DA for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:21:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21691 invoked by uid 502); 4 May 2009 20:21:01 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-200-68.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.200.68) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2009 20:21:01 -0000 Message-ID: <49FF4E26.9080509@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 13:20:54 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FD77BE.4020404@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <49FD77BE.4020404@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 22:21:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff4e37218349117217770 Chuck Norcutt wrote: Thanks for the picks, Chuck. Carol approves of your choices. > And the winner is... > > One of my favorites, too. Quite Zen. Almost all of the bamboo was properly standing straight up. This one was slanted right across my path almost at eye level; practically screaming "take my picture!" I thought it would fit the frame better and look better shot so it appears vertical. Carol had just ducked past and walked on. Fortunately, she's patient when I disappear from behind her, caught by yet another subject. > and some lovely runners-up... > > Oh yes! The subject just knocked me out when it came into view. In retrospect, I should have tried a second shot at a smaller aperture. It was quite dim, ISO 1600, f5.6, 1/125, with a relatively long focal length to get the angle and compression I wanted. This is one where a real tripod would have helped. I don't mind the slight OOF foreground, but I'd prefer the top to be a little sharper. You may have noticed that one kind of subject that fascinates me is textures. Many, including a couple in this set, seem to defy my attempts to capture and display on the web with anything like my impression of the originals subjects. > > Thanks! This one is a bit of a cheat, in that it was staged. It's a leaf from the tree shown in the prior image that I had Carol pick up from the ground and hold in the dappled afternoon sun. An accurate image of the leaf, but not in situ. > > This one is all down to Carol. As I caught up to her from photographing other things, she was staring down at an odd angle at an unpromising area. It was only when I asked what she was looking at and she moved aside that I saw how the lowering sun was creating rainbows in the mist from a powerful sprinkler spraying some trees/brush. A little opening in the foliage created a good place full of the mist. I'd have almost certainly missed it on my own. The angles were such that the rainbow could only be seem from the trail above, and only at a difficult angle through a tree's trunks. Another reason to have a long lens. If you look at the EXIF info, you'll see that many images, including quite a few apparent close-ups, are taken at or near 300 mm. I really like the ability to "reach" subjects I can't get close to and the close focus ability at the long end. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 22:29:39 2009 Received: (qmail 11963 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 20:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 20:29:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEFDE182E4 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA1EE24A9D for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D69A34AC028 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:29:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A95C34AC026 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:29:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30062 invoked by uid 502); 4 May 2009 20:29:32 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-200-68.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.200.68) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2009 20:29:32 -0000 Message-ID: <49FF502A.9010002@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 13:29:30 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <849ED7E4-F8E8-4CCF-83FD-E23F29113005@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <849ED7E4-F8E8-4CCF-83FD-E23F29113005@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 22:29:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff5033250417350615338 Bob Whitmire wrote: > A lot of nice images, especially as it does not appear that the sun was particularly cooperative, Earth Day notwithstanding. Thanks! The sun was a mixed bag. In direct light, it was dicey at first, but the brightness meant enough light for some shots in shaded areas. It also meant it wasn't one of those SF days where by afternoon there is a breeze that makes shots in the shadier areas difficult because the subjects are moving. As it got later, the light became quite lovely. > My favorite was the mother duck and ducklings in the pollen-coated pond. Lots of appealing elements there. > Couldn't pass that up!. Tricky, though, as they were moving around and there was quite a lot of foliage to try to get a clean shot through. I don't think that's pollen. More like some sort of tiny leaves.You can see a daddy type mallard scarfing it up in the prior image. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 22:33:27 2009 Received: (qmail 16190 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 20:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 20:33:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6415CE18305 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D32E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D1D19F21E for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:33:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD8D19F21B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:33:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20394 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 20:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 May 2009 20:33:09 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 06:33:14 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 22:33:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff5117265251234514069 I wasn't including the basket cases - I live in a slightly odd community which seems to attract more than is fair share of people who are NQR (not quite right). Fringe types who are registered for the dole, seeking work but can't hold down a job for long for a range of reasons like poor impulse control, anger management problems or just occasional weirdness. Often they get bits of work here and there in menial tasks - when times are good and workers are scarce - but more usually they are long term unemployable as their work history means they are passed over. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/05/2009, at 10:40 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > Unemployment rates usually only count those looking for jobs. The > disabled, > mentally ill, etc. do not usually look for work. They live off > family, or > welfare, or disability payments from the govt. I know a lot of highly > educated, hardworking, intelligent people who cannot find any kind > of job. > There is a huge number of unemployed university grads where I live, > including myself. Many of us have been unemployed for YEARS at a > stretch, we > apply for hundreds of jobs and never even get an interview. There just > aren't enough jobs for the number of people in the world. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-747-3962 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > > On 5/4/09 3:45 AM, "Andrew Fildes" wrote: > >> Has it occurred that about 3-5% of the population is unemployed >> because they are fundamentally unemployable? The mad, the bad and the >> sad; the challenged in oh so many ways. I have encountered in a >> classroom a small proportion who no-one in their right mind would >> ever employ. Unfortunately, at one point, that included my Principal >> but that is a quite different story. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 04/05/2009, at 7:53 AM, James R wrote: >> >>> From my rather thin knowledge it strikes me that even in good >>> times unemployment is typically stuck at a minimum rate of about 5 >>> percent and rises a good deal in times such as we are living through >>> now. Having those in employment working long hours just reduces the >>> overall number of jobs the system can support, which surely must >>> increase unemployment and therefore the tax load on those employed. > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 22:39:12 2009 Received: (qmail 26622 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 20:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 20:39:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863A9E182FA for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A22DE24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAAA19F228 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:39:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5CA19F221 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:39:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13440 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2009 20:39:04 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090504-0, 05/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 22:39:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff5270309923675314703 If I had kept on-a-mentioning stuff those last two would have likely been included next in line. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > Thanks for the picks, Chuck. Carol approves of your choices. > >> And the winner is... >> >> > > One of my favorites, too. Quite Zen. Almost all of the bamboo was > properly standing straight up. This one was slanted right across my path > almost at eye level; practically screaming "take my picture!" I thought > it would fit the frame better and look better shot so it appears > vertical. Carol had just ducked past and walked on. Fortunately, she's > patient when I disappear from behind her, caught by yet another subject. > >> and some lovely runners-up... >> >> > > Oh yes! The subject just knocked me out when it came into view. In > retrospect, I should have tried a second shot at a smaller aperture. It > was quite dim, ISO 1600, f5.6, 1/125, with a relatively long focal > length to get the angle and compression I wanted. This is one where a > real tripod would have helped. I don't mind the slight OOF foreground, > but I'd prefer the top to be a little sharper. > > You may have noticed that one kind of subject that fascinates me is > textures. Many, including a couple in this set, seem to defy my attempts > to capture and display on the web with anything like my impression of > the originals subjects. > >> >> > > Thanks! This one is a bit of a cheat, in that it was staged. It's a leaf > from the tree shown in the prior image that I had Carol pick up from the > ground and hold in the dappled afternoon sun. An accurate image of the > leaf, but not in situ. > >> >> > > This one is all down to Carol. As I caught up to her from photographing > other things, she was staring down at an odd angle at an unpromising > area. It was only when I asked what she was looking at and she moved > aside that I saw how the lowering sun was creating rainbows in the mist > from a powerful sprinkler spraying some trees/brush. A little opening in > the foliage created a good place full of the mist. I'd have almost > certainly missed it on my own. > > The angles were such that the rainbow could only be seem from the trail > above, and only at a difficult angle through a tree's trunks. Another > reason to have a long lens. If you look at the EXIF info, you'll see > that many images, including quite a few apparent close-ups, are taken at > or near 300 mm. I really like the ability to "reach" subjects I can't > get close to and the close focus ability at the long end. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 22:43:04 2009 Received: (qmail 10497 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 20:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 20:43:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148F4E18305 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E195DE24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C379034AC02C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:42:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4059034AC028 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:42:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-web24-z02 ([10.127.132.175]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090504204258130.VFKS6801@cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:42:58 +0000 Received: from 76.179.72.31 by webmail.roadrunner.com; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:42:57 +0000 Message-ID: <20090504204258.IILYF.423063.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:42:58 -0400 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 22:43:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff5358239751993019900 ---- Moose wrote: > > Back to the question, the -2/3 is an empirically based setting to get > the kind of digital "negs" I want. When my cameras are put away in a > bag, they are left at default, get the shot without thought, settings, > AE, AF, ISO 400, daylight WB, -2/3 EV, full battery and empty card. I find more and more that I'm shooting the D3 at -1/3. The depth of detail available in the RAW file is pretty astonishing, and I'm sure what I get is limited by my abilities rather than the equipment. That said, I'm not a big fan of shooting in mid-day light, but sometimes that's all you got, and there's no reason to assume you're not going to get anything useful. Might even be a good TOPE topic for the still-Oly crowd: High Noon. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 22:47:08 2009 Received: (qmail 25181 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 20:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 20:47:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AC5E182B4 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB53E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227C719F24E for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:47:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76FD19F24B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:47:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14041 invoked by uid 502); 4 May 2009 20:46:59 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-200-248.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.200.248) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2009 20:46:59 -0000 Message-ID: <49FF5441.4010508@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 13:46:57 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB9A571FBD4BA4-56C-4769@WEBMAIL-MY09.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB9A571FBD4BA4-56C-4769@WEBMAIL-MY09.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 22:47:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff544c264371035110158 usher99@aol.com wrote: > Hooray, > A Moose post with some great images. Thanks! > There was a stealth pseudo high mag macro--- the insect is metal--I remember that statue from my last visit to that park on the AM before going to visit Moose. LOL! Standing in front of the large sculpture, it didn't occur to me how the scale might trick the eye in a web image, but I see the apparent scale caught Fernando. I'm glad you saw the gardens. I was thinking as we wandered how nice it would be for some of our frineds who visit to see them. Stowe Lake just across the park road is another lovely place to visit. That's where I took the close-up heron pic I posted a while ago. That was o a visit by a frined from Maine. > Duckling shots turned out nicely. > Thanks; can't go much wrong with such a subject obligingly presenting itself. :-) > Also noticed the -2/3 compensation. I thought that was the Moose A650/G9 evaluative metering sunny 16 setting. Yup > It works well with the G9 (thanks for mentioning that) --still high contrast conditions with deep shadows and bright skies are tough for the small sensors--pick blocked shadows or white sky. > At ISO 80-100 on the A650, I can pick up quite a bit of shadow detail with RAW files, some care and use of NeatImage. above that, as you say, shadow noise starts to limit the effective dynamic range. > I was not aware either that Moose liked the -2/3 approach with the 5D for those conditions. > Yup. I'm no good with spot metering on a wander like this with wildly diverse lighting in so many shots. I guess I just don't have the eye and/or the patience. so it's evaluative metering and - 2/3 EV. If that weren't giving me the results I want, I might try something else, but it ain't broke ... Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 22:51:10 2009 Received: (qmail 4847 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 20:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 20:51:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AB6E182B4 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFD1E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701D819F25C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:51:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1A519F25A for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:51:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-web24-z02 ([10.127.132.175]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090504205103562.VIEW6801@cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:51:03 +0000 Received: from 76.179.72.31 by webmail.roadrunner.com; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:51:03 +0000 Message-ID: <20090504205103.3BTW7.423170.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:51:03 +0000 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <32698FC5-74E6-4923-93FD-E5ADFB8AA42D@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Cc: Andrew Fildes Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: cricket X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 22:51:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff553e45811035110158 ---- Andrew Fildes wrote: > Then you have missed a great deal for cricket is the game so > significant that murkins literally invented Baseball to avoid playing > it (source: Ken Burns) and as I've said before, it has a strange > mixture of solemnity, courtesy, complexity and absolute bloody terror > that can only be appreciated by the genuinely adult mind. I would substitute "British-derived class conscious" for "adult," but that's just me. I'm sure you've read "Netherland" by Joseph O'Neill. If you haven't you 1) should be ashamed of yourself; and 2) get it right away. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 22:53:16 2009 Received: (qmail 6436 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 20:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 20:53:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A63E182AF for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A00AE24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 13:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F6534AC027 for ; 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Mon, 4 May 2009 14:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-web24-z02 ([10.127.132.175]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090504210523664.UVYS16358@cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 4 May 2009 21:05:23 +0000 Received: from 76.179.72.31 by webmail.roadrunner.com; Mon, 4 May 2009 21:05:23 +0000 Message-ID: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:05:23 -0400 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Cc: "C.H.Ling" Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 23:05:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff589941098512572685 ---- "C.H.Ling" wrote: > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/YL09/YL09.htm 2817 does it for me. Man, I _gotta_ get over to Hong Kong! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 23:14:40 2009 Received: (qmail 19584 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 21:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 21:14:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC0BE182DC for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED9EE24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C824919F2BE for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:14:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A8E19F2A9 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:14:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f158.google.com (mail-bw0-f158.google.com [209.85.218.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so3980010bwz.14 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 14:14:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.69 with SMTP id l5mr6149063bkq.52.1241471671700; Mon, 04 May 2009 14:14:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090504204258.IILYF.423063.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> References: <49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> <20090504204258.IILYF.423063.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:14:31 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cfa1c5235fff36b5 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 23:14:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff5abf33282336821329 > > Might even be a good TOPE topic for the still-Oly crowd: High Noon. > If we did that, it would have to be a dual-theme. Shot at high noon and shot at high noon. :) Ahhhh. Grace Kelly. AG Kane -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 23:25:48 2009 Received: (qmail 17977 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 21:25:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 21:25:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BC0E182EC for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C32E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E592F19F2ED for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:25:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8CF19F2DF for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:25:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so7623523gxk.14 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 14:25:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.120.19 with SMTP id s19mr14052470anc.54.1241472339609; Mon, 04 May 2009 14:25:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503224039.00c04f58@mail.threshinc.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503224039.00c04f58@mail.threshinc.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:25:39 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0905041425s4568b1fbwc9c57e8badfaae6c@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Sunday in the Park with Peter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 23:25:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff5d5c40031869477228 Peter, The only one hands-down better in BW for me is "I'm in jail." And the color isn't bad, but it's a completely different feeling evoked, and I just prefer the BW on that one. Joel W. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Peter Klein wrote: > More from a walk around Seattle's Green Lake. Where I've paired a B&W and > color photo, I prefer B&W and my wife prefers color. =A0What do you think? > > The baby is lighter... > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032675PugStrollerCrop-= bw.jpg.html > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032675PugStrollerCrop-= w.jpg.html > > A little motion blur on this, but I loved the T-shirt. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032694JuicyGirl-bw.jpg= .html > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032694JuicyGirl-w.jpg.= html > > Got brains? > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032679GotBrains-bw.jpg= .html > > At first it was called the South Lake Union Trolley. Then city officials > hastily renamed it the South Lake Union *Streetcar*. =A0I don't think it = helped. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032686RideSlut-bw.jpg.= html > > Adopt me. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032690AdoptMe-w.jpg.ht= ml > > "I'm in jail," he told me. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032695ImInJail-bw.jpg.= html > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032695ImInJail-w.jpg.h= tml > > A natural sculpture: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P5032681Turtles-w.jpg.ht= ml > > All with the E-510 and 14-54. > > Enjoy! > --Peter > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 23:33:13 2009 Received: (qmail 26439 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 21:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 21:33:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3112AE182FB for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B633E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8B134AC028 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:33:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8429E34AC027 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:33:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24974 invoked by uid 502); 4 May 2009 21:33:03 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-203-105.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.203.105) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2009 21:33:03 -0000 Message-ID: <49FF5F0D.5000304@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 14:33:01 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 23:33:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff5f19109957927319144 Ken Norton wrote: > Moose, > > No, there was absolutely no "anti-Canon" thoughts in my mind when I asked. > It was an honest inquiry. > Oops, wrong rants. I was referring to the non brand specific jibes at chimpers. > Based on your comments, I'm seeing several things that are coming to mind. > > 1. The Olympus E-1, specifically, and most 4/3 cameras in general, tend to "underexpose" the scene. Needing to further dial down the exposure compensation is unneeded in this lighting condition and in fact many people > actually go the opposite direction. > As I know you also know, there is no substitute for knowing your equipment and finding settings and techniques to get your desired results. So far, with my Canons and Fujis, it's been much the same settings for sun. But as I said, I always test any new camera for proper settings for me. I've assumed that makers do something similar to what was done with film with uncoupled metering, aim for a specific image value for a defined gray brightness. Given the differential loss of highlight vs. shadow details in these cameras, I simply find the lower setting more useful. As a side note, that's useful as it effectively increases the ISO settings. > 2. Glasses and eye-distance from the viewfinder do matter. I can get the E-1 to swing a stop in some situations just by where I have my eye or whether or not I have my sunglasses on. > Ah, I wasn't clear on what you were asking about. I wear glasses all the time, progressives with photo adaptive tint. I'm not aware of having missed exposures from that, although I may have. Maybe I just have a big head? :-) Seriously, I usually wear some kind of bucket hat when shooting in the sun. I may look silly, or not, but I'm old enough now to get away with not caring much about that. Bill hats are impossible for shooting portrait format, but the soft brims of buckets can be pushed or folded out of the way. In this case, I was wearing a hat with a particularly broad, downward slanting brim. I have to fold the front up a bit to see above the horizon straight ahead. I fear it looks a bit "girly", but Carol says no. I seem to recall pics of Monet wearing a similar one one in his garden at Giverny, although his and Carol's are blue and mine is orange. In any case, I think the eyepiece was generally pretty well shaded. So no, that wasn't a consideration in the EV setting. > 3. Today's "matrix" (or whatever each brand calls it) metering is applying artificial intelligence to the metering and making guestimates as to the scene. For example, my A1 does fine in bright sunlight, unless I put a polarizer ... and something as simple as a polarizer can screw them up. > I almost never use a polarizer. And of course, the evaluative/matrix/whatever metering on the cameras I have probably differ from yours. > 4. User preference. Obviously this is something that each of us applies to our way of shooting. However, even with the -2/3 compensation, I still thought Moose's images were a touch on the high side. But that's my own > preference for a richer (darker) scene. > One of the several things that bug me about showing images on the web is the difference in individual viewing experience depending on monitor and settings. Although I calibrate my monitors, at least the hardware/software calibration stuff I have doesn't set an absolute brightness, but asks me to choose a settings based on my estimate of ambient light. I assume many others are in the same boat, so the brightness of our monitors probably differ. I also work and view in an intentionally dim room. Carol calls it "the Cave", and wishes I'd open the blinds and put in a larger bulb, so the liklihood of a difference in absolute and relative monitor brightness from others is high. Beyond that, I was probably influenced here by fresh memory of how bright many of the original scenes were. I've certainly been on the other side of that, posting alternate versions of others' images that they point out aren't true to the original subjects. I think I like rich, deep image tonalities, but I may have strayed in an unconscious effort to be true to the subjects? Or perhaps my tastes are just different than yours. :-) > 5. Manufacturing variability. I keenly recall how the Nikon F4 was all over the boards. John Show, for example, had almost 1.5 stops of variability among three of his F4 bodies. > Don't know about that. My Canon S110, 300D, 5D, A710 and A650 have all been quite similar. I have no idea what part of that to attribute to luck and what part to good QA. The Fuji F10 & F30 are also close to identical to each other in exposure and similar to the Canons. > 6. Exposure lock vs. live exposure. I do not have my cameras set up for half-press exposure lock. Others do. I discovered that when I half-press and recompose that more often than not my exposure is incorrect for the > recomposed scene. If I want to lock exposure, I'll press the AEL or will shoot manual exposure mode. Part of my preference on this is the use of the OM bodies which are live exposure. Since I go back and forth between > systems, it's better for me to use a single style of auto exposure. > I suppose I lock exposure more often by accident when my thumb strays (yes, a consistent ergonomic glitch on Canon DLSRs for my hands) than on purpose. I've never been entirely clear how the lock on my Canons works, so If I'm doing a careful pano, I tend to go manual. For the kind of stuff I shoot, the AE on my cameras seems to do a good job, so I don't fret about it. In other circumstances, the EV setting wheel is right under my thumb and the setting visible in the viewfinder, so I am more likely to adjust that way on the 5D than any other. > > What all this proves is that there is no way you can just pick up a camera and start shooting and expect it to perform exactly as desired without testing, observation and analysis. What works for one person won't for > another and what works for one camera won't for another. > Absopositivealutely ! Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 23:45:18 2009 Received: (qmail 6053 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 21:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 21:45:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2748E182DD for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1978EE24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F763610001 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:45:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A6B34AC026 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30569 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 21:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 May 2009 21:45:02 -0000 In-Reply-To: <20090504205103.3BTW7.423170.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> References: <20090504205103.3BTW7.423170.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <663CEDC2-FF9C-4EE7-9E37-12CF5896ECD1@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:45:06 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: cricket X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 23:45:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff61ee67742046811720 I hardly have time to read anything, never mind foreign fiction - especially overwritten, angst-ridden, self-absorbed Irish-American fiction. If I want that kind of stuff, I go chat to the psychologist at school - at least she's irrepressibly cheerful with it. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/05/2009, at 6:51 AM, wrote: > I'm sure you've read "Netherland" by Joseph O'Neill. If you haven't > you 1) should be ashamed of yourself; and 2) get it right away. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 4 23:52:29 2009 Received: (qmail 5887 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 21:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 21:52:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8706E182F4 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B83AE24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650EF19F361 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:52:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7CB19F368 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:52:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f158.google.com (mail-bw0-f158.google.com [209.85.218.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 14:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so4002279bwz.14 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 14:52:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.77.67 with SMTP id f3mr6170445bkk.75.1241473941884; Mon, 04 May 2009 14:52:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49FF5F0D.5000304@gmail.com> References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> <49FF5F0D.5000304@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:52:21 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2052c6de575f759d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 4 23:52:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff639d183401591313764 > > Oops, wrong rants. I was referring to the non brand specific jibes at > chimpers. > Don't tell anybody, but I can, and do, chimp with the best of them. ;) AG (ooo ooo ooo ooo) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 00:08:25 2009 Received: (qmail 4590 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 22:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 22:08:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C71AE182D1 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B48E24A9D for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9665C34AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:08:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED9034AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:08:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (londonjames@mailcan.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M16Ke-00083g-DM for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:08:16 +0100 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M16Kd-0004j4-S7 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:08:15 +0100 Message-Id: <7710D3A3-9093-4A5B-B522-BCA12AAD301A@mailcan.com> From: James R To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:08:15 +0100 References: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> <9A603005-4263-42AE-8984-12E1E4C816DE@mailcan.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 00:08:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff6759214161838542571 I had hoped that it wasn't as high a percentage as that. But, given the qualities of some of the people encountered who are presumably paid money to be the hindrance that they are, perhaps you're right. On 4 May 2009, at 08:45, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Has it occurred that about 3-5% of the population is unemployed > because they are fundamentally unemployable? The mad, the bad and the > sad; the challenged in oh so many ways. I have encountered in a > classroom a small proportion who no-one in their right mind would > ever employ. Unfortunately, at one point, that included my Principal > but that is a quite different story. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 04/05/2009, at 7:53 AM, James R wrote: > >> From my rather thin knowledge it strikes me that even in good >> times unemployment is typically stuck at a minimum rate of about 5 >> percent and rises a good deal in times such as we are living through >> now. Having those in employment working long hours just reduces the >> overall number of jobs the system can support, which surely must >> increase unemployment and therefore the tax load on those employed. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 00:09:00 2009 Received: (qmail 4994 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 22:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 22:08:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FEDE182F6 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C00E24A9D for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42ADC19F385 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:08:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A227C19F37D for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:08:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25755 invoked by uid 504); 4 May 2009 22:08:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090504-0, 05/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 00:09:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff677c146911869477228 What?! I thought X-ray vision through the backplate would ruin the film! Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Oops, wrong rants. I was referring to the non brand specific jibes at >> chimpers. >> > > > Don't tell anybody, but I can, and do, chimp with the best of them. > > ;) > > AG (ooo ooo ooo ooo) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 00:23:35 2009 Received: (qmail 17289 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 22:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 22:23:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE95E182AF for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AC9E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D58034AC026 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:23:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF1134AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:23:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so1977655fkk.14 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 15:23:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.31.101 with SMTP id x37mr6196947bkc.4.1241475805633; Mon, 04 May 2009 15:23:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49FF6767.8030600@chucknorcutt.com> References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> <49FF5F0D.5000304@gmail.com> <49FF6767.8030600@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:23:25 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 495d4b9904607276 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 00:23:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff6ae7208351869477228 > > What?! I thought X-ray vision through the backplate would ruin the film! > Nah. Unlike with the digital cameras, the viewfinder in the OM gives me a good enough indication of what I'm getting. Kinda like a "Pre-Chimp". AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 00:27:11 2009 Received: (qmail 15156 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 22:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 22:27:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7338EE182F1 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD25AE24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDBF34AC028 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:27:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC3E34AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:27:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 5 mons 20 days 02:51:20 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-6-117.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.6.117]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n44MQoLV023830 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 19:26:51 -0300 Message-ID: <49FF6BAC.9010608@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 19:26:52 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> <49FF5F0D.5000304@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49FF5F0D.5000304@gmail.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 00:27:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff6bbf53361744846740 And so was the skin on your head: blood vessels up there do not vary in diameter when hot or cold. That's one reason why it bleeds so much when hurt. Fernando. Moose wrote: > > In any case, I think the eyepiece was generally pretty well shaded. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 00:29:56 2009 Received: (qmail 4491 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 22:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 22:29:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E43E182AF for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4143E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A681319F3DE for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:29:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDA719F303 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:29:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f164.google.com (mail-fx0-f164.google.com [209.85.220.164]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so2476394fxm.14 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 15:29:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.62.135 with SMTP id x7mr6190213bkh.95.1241476189424; Mon, 04 May 2009 15:29:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7710D3A3-9093-4A5B-B522-BCA12AAD301A@mailcan.com> References: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> <9A603005-4263-42AE-8984-12E1E4C816DE@mailcan.com> <7710D3A3-9093-4A5B-B522-BCA12AAD301A@mailcan.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:29:49 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b7a7a4dccb23766a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 00:29:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff6c64218531234514069 > > I had hoped that it wasn't as high a percentage as that. But, given > the qualities of some of the people encountered who are presumably > paid money to be the hindrance that they are, perhaps you're right. > Think of someone with "average" intelligence. Now think that half the world is dumber than that! Seriously, it is absolutely scary being around some places like hospitals in the middle of the night. Take a look and carefully consider whether or not some of these individuals could be hired for any job. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 00:34:08 2009 Received: (qmail 27019 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 22:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 22:34:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98564E182DF for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8105E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94963610003 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:34:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 505043610001 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:34:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24489 invoked by uid 502); 4 May 2009 22:34:00 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-199-224.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.199.224) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2009 22:34:00 -0000 Message-ID: <49FF6D55.4050007@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 15:33:57 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 00:34:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff6d60175523675314703 Andrew Fildes wrote: > ... I live in a slightly odd community which seems to attract more than is fair share of people who are NQR (not quite right). It attracted you. :-) Moose (in Bezerkeley) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 00:48:37 2009 Received: (qmail 17685 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 22:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 22:48:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149BDE182E9 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E99E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B6234AC029 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:48:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805AC34AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:48:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4281 invoked by uid 502); 4 May 2009 22:48:29 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-199-224.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.199.224) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2009 22:48:29 -0000 Message-ID: <49FF70B9.4000106@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 15:48:25 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20090504205309.06YTH.423194.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> In-Reply-To: <20090504205309.06YTH.423194.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> Subject: [OM] OM sighting [was cricket] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 00:48:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff70c5124482336821329 bwhitmire@roadrunner.com wrote: > ---- Sandy Harris wrote: > >> Not to be confused with merkins >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin > Sometimes, this list just astounds me. > You didn't know that?? Guess I better fess up. When we signed up for DISHTV, we got HBO and CineMax free for three months. On HBO, we discovered a show called Real Sex, which made us realize what we were missing on regular TV. Unlike pure porn, it doesn't show certain details. Also, wonderfully unlike regular porn, it explores all sorts of of byways of human behavior around sexuality. Not everyone's cup of tea, I'm sure, but we found it often fascinating. I already knew what merkin was, and some of their uses, for example. :-) And blasting past the un-engaging bits is easy. Anyway, this confession is by way of reporting a sighting of an OM body being used with SIMA soft focus lens at f5.6 to photograph a couple in 'compromising positions'. I could only see the prism and right side, so the logo wasn't visible, but it was clearly an OM-3 or 4 of some sort, from prism shape and LCD illumination window. My guess would be OM-4, from what I could see of the finish. I have one of the SIMA lenses. I hadn't considered that use for it. :-P Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 01:13:27 2009 Received: (qmail 23465 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 23:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 23:13:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334F6E182CA for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC7DE24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2234534AC027 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:13:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAFE34AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:13:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25425 invoked by uid 502); 4 May 2009 23:13:20 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-205-188.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.205.188) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 May 2009 23:13:20 -0000 Message-ID: <49FF768D.5080105@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 16:13:17 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503224039.00c04f58@mail.threshinc.com> <9e908c1f0905041425s4568b1fbwc9c57e8badfaae6c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0905041425s4568b1fbwc9c57e8badfaae6c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Sunday in the Park with Peter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 01:13:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff7697104291234514069 Joel Wilcox wrote: > Peter, > The only one hands-down better in BW for me is "I'm in jail." And the color isn't bad, but it's a completely different feeling evoked, and I just prefer the BW on that one. > Hey, you just saved me some composition. Exactly my take. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 01:17:24 2009 Received: (qmail 29009 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 23:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 23:17:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF08E182EC for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A48AE24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271E934AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:17:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAE834AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:17:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJ500CYW7CPDVL2@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 04 May 2009 20:17:13 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-165-75.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.165.75]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 20:17:13 -0300 Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 20:17:12 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <393745A2E34942A58B64F8D8239D5B74@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvoKAA8U/0kY4KVL/2dsb2JhbACBSohzxEAHg3YF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,293,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="492445317" References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> <8187221F2EEA42AC92A5ABA43F7E55B8@hudson> <52BAAF8E-3F08-4B08-B172-428F7E7E4CC4@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 01:17:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff7784221651023412894 My regular on-line reading comprises the Daily Telegraph, Times, Guardian, Financial Times, New York Times, Globe and Mail and National Post [last two are Canadian], Subscription hard copy material comprises The Economist [for 45 years], The Atlantic [off and on for 25 years], Foreign Affairs, and recently Harpers now and again. The only time I've flitted through the Dail Mail was during my paper route days in the UK in the 1960's ........... it wasn't much of a read back then. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours > If that's a serious question, John ... > > It's a small (tabloid-sized), relatively serious newspaper, from the > right-wing. They own the Evening Standard (London evening newspaper) > and each rag is full of half-cocked ideas, partly attributable quotes, > old-man-in-a-pub opinions. > > In my view it's hearsay journalism with a near-fascist bent. > > Chris > > On 4 May 2009, at 01:47, John Hudson wrote: > >> Chris ............. what's the Daily Mail ? >> >> jh > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 01:18:16 2009 Received: (qmail 31246 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 23:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 23:18:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAD8E182E5 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C0DE24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D639E1CD48C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:18:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6717419F479 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:18:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJ500MJ97E60ZK1@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 04 May 2009 20:18:06 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-165-75.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.165.75]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 20:18:06 -0300 Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 20:18:06 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <77FD134524A14999B74C7F8205493C26@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvoKAMQU/0kY4KVL/2dsb2JhbACBSohztTgJjncHgkSBMgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,293,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="471665786" References: Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 01:18:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff77b8179742046811720 Good for tearing up into strips for use in your local Porta-Potty ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours > Its a right wing newspaper in the UK. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-747-3962 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > > On 5/3/09 8:47 PM, "John Hudson" wrote: > >> Chris ............. what's the Daily Mail ? >> >> jh >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Barker" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours >> >> >>> John >>> >>> I don't know who has rattled your chain this time, but I do believe >>> that there is something of the Daily Mail about your comments. I >>> expect that you have spent very little time in Europe since you >>> emigrated and that makes you ill-equipped to comment on how Europeans >>> as a whole go about their business, whether in the public or private >>> sectors. >>> >>> But why comment at all? If one of us were a millionaire who didn't >>> need to work would you comment on that individual's good fortune or >>> would you grumble that "real contributors" don't have time for >>> photography? >>> >>> I suggest that you might regard it as their own business and keep your >>> own counsel ... >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 3 May 2009, at 02:02, John Hudson wrote: >>> >>>> Ken .......... you have not been to Europe in the past several years. >>>> >>>> Our Iberian based correspondent enjoys what, 7 weeks of annual >>>> vacation, >>>> plus upwards of 30 days of stat holidays per year, and a 37.5 work >>>> week all >>>> of which boils down to next to nothing of working hours a year. >>>> >>>> Hereabouts a real contributor to the economy would be pushing 70+ >>>> hours a >>>> week with 3 week max of annual vacation and maybe 6 or 7 days of stat >>>> holidays a year at the max. The idea of greater European >>>> productivity is a >>>> piece of complete fiction. >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 01:25:30 2009 Received: (qmail 9788 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2009 23:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 May 2009 23:25:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE84E182F3 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB68E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951E819F48B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:25:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A35619F435 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:25:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 16:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-web13-z01 ([10.127.132.104]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090504232525287.WWXN6801@cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 4 May 2009 23:25:25 +0000 Received: from 76.179.72.31 by webmail.roadrunner.com; Mon, 4 May 2009 23:25:24 +0000 Message-ID: <20090504232525.T247I.424428.root@cdptpa-web13-z01> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:25:25 -0400 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <663CEDC2-FF9C-4EE7-9E37-12CF5896ECD1@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Cc: Andrew Fildes Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: cricket X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 01:25:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff796a148131234514069 Ah, Andrew, the arrogance of ignorance . . . sometimes it's better to be a little less quick on the draw. >From wackypedia: O'Neill, who has half-Irish and half-Turkish ancestry,[2] was born in Cork, Ireland, in 1964, and grew up in The Netherlands, where he attended boarding school at The Hague. He read law at Girton College, Cambridge, preferring it over English because "literature was too precious" and he wanted it to remain a hobby. After a year off to write his first novel, O'Neill became a barrister at the English Bar, where he practised for ten years at The Temple, principally in the field of business law. ---- Andrew Fildes wrote: > I hardly have time to read anything, never mind foreign fiction - > especially overwritten, angst-ridden, self-absorbed Irish-American > fiction. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 02:53:10 2009 Received: (qmail 14619 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 00:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 00:53:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77410E182D9 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 17:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AB1E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 17:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A6F19F82B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 17:53:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F1D19F838 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 17:53:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 17:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2776931ywr.80 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:53:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.105.9 with SMTP id d9mr14274167anc.142.1241484780218; Mon, 04 May 2009 17:53:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49FEB5A1.8010605@picturepedia.org> References: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> <9A603005-4263-42AE-8984-12E1E4C816DE@mailcan.com> <96E155C3ECC54461955BD5B469538C7B@hudson> <49FEB5A1.8010605@picturepedia.org> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:53:00 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0905041753r1baa8d52m4cb6a78795b3b596@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] ARTY pictures was Re: Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 02:53:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff8df6272181470116606 On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:30 AM, SwissPace wrote: > Well I have over 12 weeks oustanding holiday and flexi time that I have > as yet been unable to take, I also do more at work than my junior > colleagues even though they spend the same time =A0at work (you can only > delegate if they will actually do the work) BUT I still manage to take > pictures every week and so I wondered if I could try and do a PAW arty > gallery myself - not with an M8 though, mostly E3. > > Life is all about priorities =A0and photography is about carrying a camera > with you always ( I learnt this from a postman who always had a camera > in his van) =A0- with modern programs and websites its takes no time at > all to load a pictures for others to see so snap while you eat or walk > the dog as nathan does or like me with an ankle biter balanced on one > foot a toddler under one arm and a half eaten sandwich held by my teeth > in my mouth I still have a free hand to shoot, thank goodness for IS > > I hope you enjoy this my first weeks arty pictures upload - comments and > constructive criticism always welcome otherwise how will I ever improve !! > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/8100207_JddWM#527979201_Jma2C >> about working hours. From those who work few a week, enjoy extended >> vacations, many stat holidays and the opportunity to pack an M8 where ev= er >> they go make sure that your PAD and like posting are abundant. They are >> interesting and worth viewing. I see we're now having to explain how we came up with the time to shoot our pics. Sigh. I'm beginning to feel I can almost tell the output of the E-3 by the colors. It's different from the E-1, but I don't like it less. I was shooting wildflowers yesterday (for those monitoring, it was a Sunday -- I don't work Sundays), and that makes me appreciate the iris all be-dewed. I settled into a pattern of shooting at -.7 exp comp to hold all the highlights in the flowers. You've done a nice job with that flower. I think the photos are all done well, though I wouldn't call them arty, really (except maybe for the rainbow?). I think the coots are the cutest, the bokeh on the flower shot is great, but I think the last one is my favorite. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 03:05:08 2009 Received: (qmail 25974 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 01:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 01:05:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5086E182F3 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F131E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2122034AC025 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:05:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D6F34AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:05:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so2615687anc.35 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:05:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.189.8 with SMTP id m8mr14365849anf.87.1241485501838; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:05:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> References: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:05:00 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0905041805i3664011claff541aaf6b2a822@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 03:05:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff90c4149161591313764 On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:05 PM, wrote: > > ---- "C.H.Ling" wrote: > >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/YL09/YL09.htm > > 2817 does it for me. Man, I _gotta_ get over to Hong Kong! > 2825. Knockout. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 03:22:46 2009 Received: (qmail 17921 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 01:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 01:22:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5CBE182E3 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D75E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6806C19F87B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:22:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08E519F870 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:22:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22929 invoked by uid 502); 5 May 2009 01:22:37 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-185-54.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.185.54) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2009 01:22:37 -0000 Message-ID: <49FF94D8.3050201@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 18:22:32 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam><802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu><7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com><49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 03:22:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff94e6101161591313764 C.H.Ling wrote: > .... > Even I finally settled with a FF Canyon I'm not really happy with the tonal rendering of the images, they need a lots of post processing (curve/level) to look good. I agree that most shots require post. On the other hand, I am often shooting in anticipation of post. That is, I fairly often take a shot knowing full well that if I shot it on film without scanning and post, it wouldn't work at all - so I just wouldn't take it. Thus, I find post a mixed blessing. I wish didn't need to use it for many simple shots, but I revel in the freedom it gives me to capture images I otherwise couldn't. There's a little island in one of the ponds in the arboretum that some whimsical gardener has made into a turtle. In the old film days, I'd have simply skipped the shot. If I were serious, I'd try to guess what time of day, and possibly what time of year the light would be right. The foliage is quite complicated around it and shadows unpredictable, I think. But today, I can simply take the shot and rearrange the light in post. So much better for someone like me, who is neither a pro with an assignment nor wishing to spend much of my time revisiting places for better light. As you can see, direct sun caused deep shadows and "cut off" the head. A useless shot without processing beyond simple RAW conversion. The ACR examples are default and adjusted slightly to minimize shadow and highlight clipping, but with no effort to adjust it for presentation. Using Canon's Digital Photo Professional for RAW conversion probably shows what a JPEG would have looked like direct from the camera. For the gallery, I chose to bring up the shadows in the background just enough to lose the all black feeling, but leaving them quite subtle. It is possible, though, to bring them up quite a bit, giving a version less true to the original, but perhaps more pleasing. I then tried a deeper, richer take on the island. Then a combination of that with a slightly brighter background. Take your pick, or mix and match. > For mixed light I even have to go to the color palette to balance the color. > Have you tried one of the neutral color targets? I don't use them often, but always have a WhiBal in my bag. It can really help in odd, mixed light. If there is different light on different parts of the subject, it's possible to take test shots with the target for each major area and adjust using masks, but it's a lot of work. :-) > As for the images from Moose, I have the same feeling as you, they are missing the richness I generally preferred. I already commented on this in reply to Ken. Perhaps you like the darker version of Turtle Island better than the original? > At the mean time I found they are a little harsh and over sharpened to my eyes. I'm still stuck with physiological differences of vision. You and others here, mostly not young, have posted to many threads about focusing difficulties. You may notice I mostly use AF. But that doesn't mean I don't pay attention to focus. I can see focus quite well in the viewfinder with the standard screen. Rather than mess with manual focus, I use the central AF spot and may try focus more than once with slight movement of the frame until I get it where I want it. Most shots only involve one half-press, but some involve 2 -3 or more. I didn't have much problem with the smaller, dimmer finder on the 300D, either. If you look at the image numbers in this gallery, you will see that I posted 67% of the shots I took. Considering that many not posted were bracketing of some sort, the number with missed focus is just tiny. For example, I took six shots of the ducklings. All are in focus, but not all are good compositions, as they moved around. And this image is a composite of two shots to get the DOF I wanted. F18 was already flirting with troublesome diffraction limits on sharpness, but didn't have enough DOF, so I took two shots at two different focal points. The point is, I see the world differently than you do. Completely apart from photography, I view a world that's sharper and more detailed than the average person, and perhaps even more so than most older folks, like my age, with declining vision. So when I process an image, I tend to want to see sharp edges, as that's what appears natural to me. As it is, I usually back off sharpening somewhat on my images to accommodate more "natural" tastes. A lot of images other people post simply look soft to me. I wish I could show you what 20/10 vision looks like, but I don't know how. > Just like the below sample, it seems too much LCE were used and the color/tone is a bit odd: > > http://galleries.moosemystic.net/StrybingArboretum/slides/_MG_5731ia.htm > You caught me there. That one jumped out as off to me, too, when I ran through the slide show, but I somehow didn't get it on the list to fix. I've replaced it with a version I hope you find more to your liking. > Other than these the images were nicely captured and composed. > Thanks! Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 03:33:10 2009 Received: (qmail 17837 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 01:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 01:33:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D591AE182F0 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42253E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A94819F893 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:33:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C191C19F88F for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:33:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so2789640yxf.80 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:33:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.128.20 with SMTP id a20mr14587616and.28.1241487184631; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:33:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:33:04 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0905041833r298e7f36wc7f3c016f0d71f73@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 03:33:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff9756259465368819438 On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Moose wrote: > Back to the question, the -2/3 is an empirically based setting to get > the kind of digital "negs" I want. When my cameras are put away in a > bag, they are left at default, get the shot without thought, settings, > AE, AF, ISO 400, daylight WB, -2/3 EV, full battery and empty card. FWIW I've used -.7 EV exp comp since Kodachrome days for mixed light. I really don't think shooting digital is very different from shooting chromes -- it's just that you get the shadows back later.in PP. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 03:47:10 2009 Received: (qmail 10172 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 01:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 01:47:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDEAAE182ED for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADB5E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B2334AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:47:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4619E34AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:47:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 18:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so2793944yxf.80 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:47:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.240.17 with SMTP id n17mr14724690anh.1.1241488023768; Mon, 04 May 2009 18:47:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49FD77BE.4020404@chucknorcutt.com> References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FD77BE.4020404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:47:03 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0905041847p11bd280l7674e432116981a0@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 03:47:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ff9a9e239498512572685 On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > And the winner is... > > > and some lovely runners-up... > > > I'll go along with that, though just because there were so many I liked and can't mention them all. I particularly like most of the big flowers a lot. Moose does a nice job composing those, and though they may seem easy, they're not that easy. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 04:17:31 2009 Received: (qmail 22513 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 02:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 02:17:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4759EE182F9 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 19:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BB9E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 19:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E3334AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 19:17:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF32834AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 19:17:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-077.ctimail.com [61.93.57.77]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 19:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n452HKEc005433 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:17:21 +0800 Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n452HKR7008461 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:17:20 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam><802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu><7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com><49FE932E.9050805@gmail.com> <49FF94D8.3050201@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:17:16 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 04:17:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ffa1bb321801585427447 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > C.H.Ling wrote: >> .... >> Even I finally settled with a FF Canyon I'm not really happy with the >> tonal rendering of the images, they need a lots of post processing >> (curve/level) to look good. > > I agree that most shots require post. On the other hand, I am often > shooting in anticipation of post. That is, I fairly often take a shot > knowing full well that if I shot it on film without scanning and post, > it wouldn't work at all - so I just wouldn't take it. > > Thus, I find post a mixed blessing. I wish didn't need to use it for > many simple shots, but I revel in the freedom it gives me to capture > images I otherwise couldn't. There's a little island in one of the ponds > in the arboretum that some whimsical gardener has made into a turtle. In > the old film days, I'd have simply skipped the shot. If I were serious, > I'd try to guess what time of day, and possibly what time of year the > light would be right. The foliage is quite complicated around it and > shadows unpredictable, I think. > > But today, I can simply take the shot and rearrange the light in post. > So much better for someone like me, who is neither a pro with an > assignment nor wishing to spend much of my time revisiting places for > better light. > > > As you can see, direct sun caused deep shadows and "cut off" the head. A > useless shot without processing beyond simple RAW conversion. The ACR > examples are default and adjusted slightly to minimize shadow and > highlight clipping, but with no effort to adjust it for presentation. > Using Canon's Digital Photo Professional for RAW conversion probably > shows what a JPEG would have looked like direct from the camera. > > For the gallery, I chose to bring up the shadows in the background just > enough to lose the all black feeling, but leaving them quite subtle. It > is possible, though, to bring them up quite a bit, giving a version less > true to the original, but perhaps more pleasing. > > I then tried a deeper, richer take on the island. Then a combination of > that with a slightly brighter background. > > Take your pick, or mix and match. If I have to choose one, I like the ACR adjusted one better, too much shadow will make an image look flat. At the mean time I like the softer feel of the island, the LCE ones (Richer Island) is not bad but I see finer details on the ACR adjusted one. > >> For mixed light I even have to go to the color palette to balance the >> color. >> > > Have you tried one of the neutral color targets? I don't use them often, > but always have a WhiBal in my bag. It can really help in odd, mixed > light. If there is different light on different parts of the subject, > it's possible to take test shots with the target for each major area and > adjust using masks, but it's a lot of work. :-) Balance with a neutral target will lost the original mood of the scene, I usually just reduce the warm tone a bit to make it look more natural, unfortunately the green usaully not right and need to involve the color palette. >> As for the images from Moose, I have the same feeling as you, they are >> missing the richness I generally preferred. > > I already commented on this in reply to Ken. Perhaps you like the darker > version of Turtle Island better than the original? > Not necessary darker but I like the smoother tonal transaction of the ACR adjusted one. >> At the mean time I found they are a little harsh and over sharpened to my >> eyes. > > I'm still stuck with physiological differences of vision. You and others > here, mostly not young, have posted to many threads about focusing > difficulties. You may notice I mostly use AF. But that doesn't mean I > don't pay attention to focus. I can see focus quite well in the > viewfinder with the standard screen. Rather than mess with manual focus, > I use the central AF spot and may try focus more than once with slight > movement of the frame until I get it where I want it. Most shots only > involve one half-press, but some involve 2 -3 or more. I didn't have > much problem with the smaller, dimmer finder on the 300D, either. > > If you look at the image numbers in this gallery, you will see that I > posted 67% of the shots I took. Considering that many not posted were > bracketing of some sort, the number with missed focus is just tiny. For > example, I took six shots of the ducklings. All are in focus, but not > all are good compositions, as they moved around. And this image is a > composite of two shots to get the DOF I wanted. F18 was already flirting > with troublesome diffraction limits on sharpness, but didn't have enough > DOF, so I took two shots at two different focal points. > > > The point is, I see the world differently than you do. Completely apart > from photography, I view a world that's sharper and more detailed than > the average person, and perhaps even more so than most older folks, like > my age, with declining vision. So when I process an image, I tend to > want to see sharp edges, as that's what appears natural to me. As it is, > I usually back off sharpening somewhat on my images to accommodate more > "natural" tastes. A lot of images other people post simply look soft to > me. I wish I could show you what 20/10 vision looks like, but I don't > know how. > I'm not sure if this is true, I can see the details on not sharpened images I don't need the enhanced version to feel the sharpness. Focusing is a issue to me may be I demand a very sharp image and I shot a lot at F2.8 and 4, very little at F8 and almost never at F11 and smaller except the insect macros. >> Just like the below sample, it seems too much LCE were used and the >> color/tone is a bit odd: >> >> http://galleries.moosemystic.net/StrybingArboretum/slides/_MG_5731ia.htm >> > > You caught me there. That one jumped out as off to me, too, when I ran > through the slide show, but I somehow didn't get it on the list to fix. > I've replaced it with a version I hope you find more to your liking. That one is much better to my eyes, I will like it even more if the background is slightly darker (I think you had lighten it up?). 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Your guys seem like th= e = se=F1oritas shots more :-) Ok, here are some special one I made last week, hope you like them ;-) http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/Fashion0905/embry.html I was very interested in fashion shooting as it is very challenging but did = very little these years. I forgot to bring the flash so some faces were not = lighted up very well but it add more 3-D look to other areas ;-). = Fortunately I had brought the 50-250 (together with 85/2 and 75-150) as the = stage was quite far way, eventually nearly all shots were taken at the 250m= m = end. Enjoy! C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Joel Wilcox" > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:05 PM, wrote: >> >> ---- "C.H.Ling" wrote: >> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/YL09/YL09.htm >> >> 2817 does it for me. Man, I _gotta_ get over to Hong Kong! >> > > 2825. Knockout. > > Joel W. > -- = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 05:36:40 2009 Received: (qmail 27993 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 03:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 03:36:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEB4E182E8 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBE3E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51C234AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:36:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1108334AC027 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:36:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:36:34 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n453aSrv022428; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:36:31 GMT Message-ID: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:37:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 05:36:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ffb447214351073733319 We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at my house. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass is growing like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they decide to show up. The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for lighting, I decided to capture a few in our yard. Bearded Iris http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html White Rhododrendron http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html Our one and only rose http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 05:47:33 2009 Received: (qmail 31282 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 03:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 03:47:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008F5E182E9 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3A8E24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068D919F98C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:47:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747DE19F961 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:47:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 20:47:26 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n453lMDG025785 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:47:24 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02><9e908c1f0905041805i3664011claff541aaf6b2a822@mail.gmail.com> <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:48:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 05:47:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ffb6d5316841591313764 Very nice. Hard to pick a winner. I don't think you needed the flash. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- = From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots > Thanks for Ken, Chuck, Bob, Joel and those watching. Your guys seem like = > the > se=F1oritas shots more :-) > > Ok, here are some special one I made last week, hope you like them ;-) > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/Fashion0905/embry.html > > I was very interested in fashion shooting as it is very challenging but = > did > very little these years. I forgot to bring the flash so some faces were = > not > lighted up very well but it add more 3-D look to other areas ;-). > Fortunately I had brought the 50-250 (together with 85/2 and 75-150) as = > the > stage was quite far way, eventually nearly all shots were taken at the = > 250mm > end. > > Enjoy! > C.H.Ling > > > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Joel Wilcox" > >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:05 PM, wrote: >>> >>> ---- "C.H.Ling" wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/YL09/YL09.htm >>> >>> 2817 does it for me. Man, I _gotta_ get over to Hong Kong! >>> >> >> 2825. Knockout. >> >> Joel W. >> -- = > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 06:10:21 2009 Received: (qmail 3852 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 04:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 04:10:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C45FE182FB for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 21:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F287EE24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 21:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF21834AC024 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 21:10:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E104934AC023 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 21:10:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 21:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n454ACI1019938 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 12:10:13 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <875A4061D27F49488F3DF339D2A6573F@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:10:04 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 06:10:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ffbc2d77791869477228 Very nice captures, I like overcast sky for flower shots and the bokeh of Elmarit-R 28/2.8 looks very good too. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" > We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at my > house. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass is > growing like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they decide to > show up. The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for lighting, I > decided to capture a few in our yard. > > Bearded Iris > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html > > White Rhododrendron > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html > > Our one and only rose > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html > > I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. Comments and > critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 06:14:24 2009 Received: (qmail 1550 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 04:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 04:14:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4C3E182F3 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 21:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FCCE24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 21:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A16119F9C5 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 21:14:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C3519F9C3 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 21:14:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 21:14:18 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n454EE4P024584 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:14:16 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> <875A4061D27F49488F3DF339D2A6573F@MAIN> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:15:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 06:14:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ffbd2018921591313764 Thanks for looking, and for the kind words. I do much better with the Elmarit than with any other lens that I have. It is a pleasure to work with it. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers > Very nice captures, I like overcast sky for flower shots and the bokeh of > Elmarit-R 28/2.8 looks very good too. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > >> We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at my >> house. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass is >> growing like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they decide to >> show up. The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for lighting, I >> decided to capture a few in our yard. >> >> Bearded Iris >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html >> >> White Rhododrendron >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html >> >> Our one and only rose >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html >> >> I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. Comments and >> critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 07:07:21 2009 Received: (qmail 4084 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 05:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 05:07:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C7EE182FC for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1312AE24A9C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA73F19FA3A for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:07:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5532319F434 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:07:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp00.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp00.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 31.red-83-33-127.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.33.127.31]:53833 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay00.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.40]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1M1Crw-0004df-1T (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Tue, 05 May 2009 06:07:04 +0100 Message-Id: <9B82800E-8D14-49EE-AE72-2B8B6E3B6BD6@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion , Picture a Day discussion group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:07:03 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 17: Just some happy snaps X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 07:07:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ffc989223818512572685 The main events of last week were the May Day demo and the cricket match which I showed in separate galleries. But of course there were also some happy snaps along the way, a few of which are collected here: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=233 This is the nicest time of the year in Alicante. The weather is reliably good, but the hordes of tourists have not yet arrived, and it is not (yet) bloody hot as it will be in July and August. Just nice. Neither heating nor air conditioning is needed. As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 07:30:23 2009 Received: (qmail 1326 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 05:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 05:30:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF30E182F8 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558EAE24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C1F19FA6E for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:30:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4022E19FA6A for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:30:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F7746158C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:51:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <49FF4E26.9080509@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 06:30:15 +0100 References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FD77BE.4020404@chucknorcutt.com> <49FF4E26.9080509@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 07:30:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ffceef48401838542571 Ah, a sprinkler! The effect is lovely, Moose. Well caught. Chris On 4 May 2009, at 21:20, Moose wrote: >> > > >> > > This one is all down to Carol. As I caught up to her from > photographing > other things, she was staring down at an odd angle at an unpromising > area. It was only when I asked what she was looking at and she moved > aside that I saw how the lowering sun was creating rainbows in the > mist > from a powerful sprinkler spraying some trees/brush. A little > opening in > the foliage created a good place full of the mist. I'd have almost > certainly missed it on my own. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 07:38:42 2009 Received: (qmail 31129 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 05:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 05:38:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9553E182E7 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCF3E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0F219FA70 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:38:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2292719FA6A for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:38:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:38:35 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n455cWME029425 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:38:34 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9B82800E-8D14-49EE-AE72-2B8B6E3B6BD6@frozenlight.eu> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 00:38:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 17: Just some happy snaps X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 07:38:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ffd0e2286611023412894 Hi Nathan, Alternate 3 is my favorite this week. Thanks for sharing the occasion. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: "Leica Users Group" ; ; "Olympus Camera Discussion" ; "Picture a Day discussion group" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:07 AM Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 17: Just some happy snaps > The main events of last week were the May Day demo and the cricket > match which I showed in separate galleries. But of course there were > also some happy snaps along the way, a few of which are collected here: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=233 > > This is the nicest time of the year in Alicante. The weather is > reliably good, but the hordes of tourists have not yet arrived, and it > is not (yet) bloody hot as it will be in July and August. Just nice. > Neither heating nor air conditioning is needed. > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 07:41:37 2009 Received: (qmail 8473 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 05:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 05:41:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05BCE182EA for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF4BE24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B178019FA8B for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150F519FA89 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E2246159A for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:03:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <866BC2EA-0E62-4DDD-B737-14E41A86B341@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 06:41:29 +0100 References: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 07:41:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ffd191235683675314703 They are lovely, Jim. I really like Iris, but the rose is a very pretty shade. Chris On 5 May 2009, at 04:37, Jim Nichols wrote: > We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at > my house. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass > is growing like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they > decide to show up. The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for > lighting, I decided to capture a few in our yard. > > Bearded Iris > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html > > White Rhododrendron > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html > > Our one and only rose > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html > > I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. Comments and > critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 07:46:21 2009 Received: (qmail 26701 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 05:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 05:46:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02230E1830C for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299E1E24A99 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E0719FA96 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:46:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C22519FA98 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:46:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:46:12 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n455k9e5030886 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:46:11 GMT Message-ID: <9760FF15AFD5448E906BAB338F076531@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> <866BC2EA-0E62-4DDD-B737-14E41A86B341@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 00:46:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 07:46:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ffd2ad101001585427447 Hi Chris, Thanks for looking. The rose was a free gift when we ordered some plants some years ago. We get about three blooms each year, but they are very colorful when they appear. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers > They are lovely, Jim. I really like Iris, but the rose is a very > pretty shade. > > Chris > > On 5 May 2009, at 04:37, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at >> my house. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass >> is growing like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they >> decide to show up. The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for >> lighting, I decided to capture a few in our yard. >> >> Bearded Iris >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html >> >> White Rhododrendron >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html >> >> Our one and only rose >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html >> >> I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. Comments and >> critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 09:04:05 2009 Received: (qmail 16184 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 07:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 07:04:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49451E182FC for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5DFE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4540134AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:03:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CD234AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:03:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28593 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 07:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 May 2009 07:03:46 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49FF70B9.4000106@gmail.com> References: <20090504205309.06YTH.423194.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <49FF70B9.4000106@gmail.com> Message-Id: <3426E350-DE22-4DAE-9B70-8461CC03462C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:03:49 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM sighting [was cricket] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 09:04:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ffe4e4121031993019900 A friend uses a SIMA (and Lensbabies) - I thought it lacked a diaphragm and had a wider aperture than that. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/05/2009, at 8:48 AM, Moose wrote: > Anyway, this confession is by way of reporting a sighting of an OM > body > being used with SIMA soft focus lens at f5.6 to photograph a couple in > 'compromising positions'. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 09:14:00 2009 Received: (qmail 31167 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 07:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 07:13:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C302E182ED for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A4DE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF0019FB50 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:13:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEA019FB4E for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:13:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30696 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 07:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 May 2009 07:13:45 -0000 In-Reply-To: <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> References: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <9e908c1f0905041805i3664011claff541aaf6b2a822@mail.gmail.com> <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:13:48 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 09:13:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49ffe7371811023412894 Oh I do love the sponsor's stickers - that's hilarious! So...elegant? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/05/2009, at 1:26 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Ok, here are some special one I made last week, hope you like them ;-) > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/Fashion0905/embry.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 10:54:32 2009 Received: (qmail 21977 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 08:54:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 08:54:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF79E18301 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 01:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB4CE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 01:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848F334AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 01:54:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC07434AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 01:54:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f170.google.com (mail-ew0-f170.google.com [209.85.219.170]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 01:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so4420724ewy.14 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 01:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.19.7 with SMTP id 7mr383078ebs.37.1241513664647; Tue, 05 May 2009 01:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.40.181.104? ([82.132.136.215]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm1602800eye.6.2009.05.05.01.54.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 May 2009 01:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4D29D58A-8BA6-4380-8784-D89DF345820C@gmail.com> From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <393745A2E34942A58B64F8D8239D5B74@hudson> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5H11) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5H11) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:54:04 +0100 References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> <8187221F2EEA42AC92A5ABA43F7E55B8@hudson> <52BAAF8E-3F08-4B08-B172-428F7E7E4CC4@threeshoes.net> <393745A2E34942A58B64F8D8239D5B74@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 10:54:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 49fffec8176322336821329 Sent from my iPhone On 5 May 2009, at 00:17, John Hudson wrote: > My regular on-line reading comprises the Daily Telegraph, Times, > Guardian, > Financial Times, New York Times, Globe and Mail and National Post > [last two > are Canadian], Subscription hard copy material comprises The > Economist [for > 45 years], The Atlantic [off and on for 25 years], Foreign Affairs, > and > recently Harpers now and again. I think we may have found the root of your PAW-time problem here :-) Tom > > > The only time I've flitted through the Dail Mail was during my paper > route > days in the UK in the 1960's ........... it wasn't much of a read > back then. > > jh > >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 11:10:54 2009 Received: (qmail 1184 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 09:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 09:10:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E595EE182FF for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05DDE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F0D34AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:10:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2863E34AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:10:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16129 invoked by uid 502); 5 May 2009 09:10:46 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-164-174.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.164.174) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2009 09:10:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4A000290.1030903@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 02:10:40 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20090504205309.06YTH.423194.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <49FF70B9.4000106@gmail.com> <3426E350-DE22-4DAE-9B70-8461CC03462C@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <3426E350-DE22-4DAE-9B70-8461CC03462C@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] OM sighting [was cricket] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 11:10:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00029e111102070262475 Andrew Fildes wrote: > A friend uses a SIMA (and Lensbabies) - I thought it lacked a diaphragm and had a wider aperture than that. > He has an incomplete one. The SIMA wide open is f2.0 and uses simple waterhouse stops mounted under a ring at the front for smaller apertures. Mine came with f4 and f5.6 stops and a neutral density filter in a little case. I suppose they use such stops not only because they are inexpensive, but for the perfect circles. Easy enough to make any stop one wants, including different shapes for effects. Simple samples showing the effects are here. If he is interested, I could easily scan them and he could cut out his own. They are just a thin, black, stiff paper/cardboard. Thin plastic would be more durable. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 11:26:23 2009 Received: (qmail 4428 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 09:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 09:26:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73859E182FB for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2DDE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A422B34AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:26:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E980934AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:26:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from juliette.telenet-ops.be (juliette.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.74]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([94.224.139.19]) by juliette.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id nlSG1b00G0RJCnS06lSG1N; Tue, 05 May 2009 11:26:16 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4A000290.1030903@gmail.com> References: <20090504205309.06YTH.423194.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <49FF70B9.4000106@gmail.com> <3426E350-DE22-4DAE-9B70-8461CC03462C@people.net.au> <4A000290.1030903@gmail.com> Message-Id: <23A3DE71-DC1D-4F0F-8EA3-4A129B6C5BC6@gmail.com> From: Iwert Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:26:14 +0200 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: [OM] Backyard with leaves X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 11:26:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00063f55751993019900 What a few leaves on the trees can do: Some before and after pictures. To be honest, we did some work on the lawn, airing and seeding a bit extra. The red & white is the 8 weeks embargo for the kids :), two weeks to go! Iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 11:45:30 2009 Received: (qmail 10741 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 09:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 09:45:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D230E182C8 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B145BE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE7834AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:45:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CB334AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:45:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 02:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4326 invoked by uid 502); 5 May 2009 09:45:20 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-103.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.103) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2009 09:45:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4A000AA9.2070109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 02:45:13 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 11:45:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a000aba114101470116606 C.H.Ling wrote: > It is a little strange, for ISO800 test the F31fd was using 1/340s F5.6 but the F200EXR was using 1/75s F12! It will sure hurt the details. > Hard to fault the testers. The F200 is in the line of fully automatic Fuji F series cameras. so far, only the F11, 30 and 31 have any aperture/speed preferred and manual controls settings. So if they want to take a test shot with their standard setup and lighting, they get what the camera gives them. On the other hand, can we be sure f12 is a bad choice? I think it is also possible that the Fuji engineers aren't actually stupid. Oh my, looking further into the review, we learn: "Like many compact cameras, the F200 only allows only two aperture settings at each position of the lens (fully open and fully open minus three stops, by way of a combined physical stop and ND filter)." So, f12 is just the smaller "stop" at the particular focal length chosen, and not a "true" f12 focal ratio of aperture and focal length. It's a shame the true , useful meaning of f-stop will now disappear, at least in digicams. On the other hand, it's a smart solution to the exposure vs. diffraction blurring problem. I think some high end Canon digis have, or have had, built in ND filters as part of their AE system for years. I wouldn't be surprised if it's fairly common, but unannounced, practice. Looks like all the theoretical calculations may be at least partly useless for these tiny sensor cameras, as well as DOF calculations. A lot of people bash the dpreview reviews, but read throughly, they contain pretty much all the important stuff. I often won't agree with their conclusions/ratings because my priorities difffer, but I can usually find out what I need to know for my own evaluation. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 12:04:11 2009 Received: (qmail 26691 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 10:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 10:04:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5862CE182E3 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB79E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A703C34AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:04:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E269D34AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:04:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.107]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17462 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2009 10:04:02 -0000 Message-ID: <326845.16486.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: oIh0qQAVM1lz3P7DDqEYlrHxxCyPQfi96R9TaROmEfaAlt7EikikDgNzDTBabKR8oyEhRvDGauvq072s8oaTYWBW9c8sCYUj5VoTHVqPK2pGHC4l5ZjR1Cpvqp549qyOAVhmicDe_yw.LI0Al6xkdZhoPfELkv7KbouKoeBqTK86rLOn0_9d0LLkcMW3Xf58jiCWyAYow7ALcMGoEZRYW080AmqIB5BZYIqC9zDuQbsIB_avB81VbcPPignfk6hENqvTJ8Wjk8zf_3b1UNZ7c2AZn4HoeOys_1iQ6eGkMR_qa6RCCNLXFN50Yxrz3IKjDwIBy5zRgb3NxxMYa_wNHafx Received: from [70.231.233.198] by web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 03:04:02 PDT X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 03:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 12:04:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a000f1b271591946193717 I read their position paper and I think some of the claims are overblown and maybe in some cases specious: http://www.fujifilm.com/photokina2008/pdf/release/super_ccd_exr_e.pdf It looks like when running in 6Mpixel modes there are some advantages in some ways, but not really in 12 mpixel mode. The mode with increased dynamic range is an example where it maybe a fairly good tradeof, but you land up in a mode pretty close to 6Mpixel rather than 12. For example it appears the traditional beyer pattern, which is optimised for highest resolution in green, since this is human eyes peak sensitivity and peak sunlight wavelength, will have higher horizontal resolution than the new exp pattern. This actually even adds a little more since the eye/brain aparently also subjectively percieves it to be highest reolution if it has greatest resolution in the horizontal direction. The new exp patern is quite strange in that the highest resolution in green is on the left diagonal , with all other directions being lower! This is non-optimal since horizontal is best subjectively. The beyer has equal, but reduced by 45% resolution on both diagonals,while the vertical and horizontal are the the highest and equal. The exr horizontal green resolution, is lower than the beyer, at 12Mpix because of diagonal pattern. Because of the unsymetrical spacing of exp, it also aliases at even lower resolution than you would normally imagine from that raw color pixel count. If you photographed a thin curved line object like a hair say, it would produce some additional low frequency aliasing because sampling was more non-uniform ,at different angles than beyer. (think: if a line pair is sampled by two close spaced pixels then they get resolved, but the next pair of pixels in exp are now more widely spaced, so the next adjacent line pair is not resolved) The wide dynamic range option which is really more like 6mpixel, since it selects best exposure from two diagonal pixels, then has uniform sampling, at least at a particular brightness level. The claim that there is less aliasing from binning diagonally left adjacent pixels in exr, rather than more widely separated ones (bayer), is complex to analyse and is more orientation dependent than beyer. However, because the beyer samples at a higher horizontal frequency than the non-uniform exr, then binning two horizontal (or vertical) pixels in beyer, still has lower aliasing, since the actual sampling was done at a higher resolution (frequency) thus having lowest aliasing. The s/n ratio improvement is exactly the same for equal area photo-diodes in the two technologies. In this comparison for the bayer at 6mpixels, the optimal bining for best subjective and actual resolution, would be combining vertical pixels. Tim Hughes --- On Fri, 5/1/09, usher99@aol.com wrote: > From: usher99@aol.com > Subject: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate > To: olympus@thomasclausen.net > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 2:12 PM > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf200exr/page2.asp > > Moose might be amused that low light performance a few > generations > later still doesn't really exceed the F30/31--the > latter are still > expensive. > > Not many Moose sightings of late. > > A Trace Worried Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 12:12:18 2009 Received: (qmail 31718 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 10:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 10:12:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBA6E182DF for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8ADAE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81F034AC027 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:12:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E276934AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:12:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31847 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 10:12:09 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090504-1, 05/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 12:12:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a001102307511234514069 Ah, those work too. Eat your heart out Nathan. But my favorite is = right here Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks for Ken, Chuck, Bob, Joel and those watching. Your guys seem like = the = > se=F1oritas shots more :-) > = > Ok, here are some special one I made last week, hope you like them ;-) > = > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/Fashion0905/embry.html > = > I was very interested in fashion shooting as it is very challenging but d= id = > very little these years. I forgot to bring the flash so some faces were n= ot = > lighted up very well but it add more 3-D look to other areas ;-). = > Fortunately I had brought the 50-250 (together with 85/2 and 75-150) as t= he = > stage was quite far way, eventually nearly all shots were taken at the 25= 0mm = > end. > = > Enjoy! > C.H.Ling > = > = > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Joel Wilcox" > = >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:05 PM, wrote: >>> ---- "C.H.Ling" wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/YL09/YL09.htm >>> 2817 does it for me. Man, I _gotta_ get over to Hong Kong! >>> >> 2825. Knockout. >> >> Joel W. >> -- = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 12:21:27 2009 Received: (qmail 27712 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 10:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 10:21:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB808E182B9 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43916E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209C434AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:21:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE4634AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28464 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 10:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 May 2009 10:21:02 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4A000290.1030903@gmail.com> References: <20090504205309.06YTH.423194.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <49FF70B9.4000106@gmail.com> <3426E350-DE22-4DAE-9B70-8461CC03462C@people.net.au> <4A000290.1030903@gmail.com> Message-Id: <48BAB644-52B8-4523-A6A4-75D94E633E35@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:21:05 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM sighting [was cricket] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 12:21:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a001327301469347015869 I wasn't aware of that - the 'perfect circle' is a good reason. Lensbabies use the magnetic ones, simple and clever. I like the effect at f4. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/05/2009, at 7:10 PM, Moose wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> A friend uses a SIMA (and Lensbabies) - I thought it lacked a >> diaphragm and had a wider aperture than that. >> > > He has an incomplete one. The SIMA wide open is f2.0 and uses simple > waterhouse stops mounted under a ring at the front for smaller > apertures. Mine came with f4 and f5.6 stops and a neutral density > filter > in a little case. I suppose they use such stops not only because they > are inexpensive, but for the perfect circles. Easy enough to make any > stop one wants, including different shapes for effects. > > Simple samples showing the effects are here. > > > If he is interested, I could easily scan them and he could cut out his > own. They are just a thin, black, stiff paper/cardboard. Thin plastic > would be more durable. > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 12:29:44 2009 Received: (qmail 31079 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 10:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 10:29:43 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436F3A37DC for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D55AE182D1 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C3AE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F8219DEBB for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:29:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5596119DEB9 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:29:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n45AT5u1031478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 20:29:06 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <9e908c1f0905041805i3664011claff541aaf6b2a822@mail.gmail.com> <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:28:51 +1000 Message-ID: <001101c9cd6c$49dc0d90$dd9428b0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnNUQ/sTCjnOMMjS3uH2h4lQke9HgAGy+KQ Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 12:29:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a001518169841744846740 What stickers ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 5 May 2009 5:14 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots > > Oh I do love the sponsor's stickers - that's hilarious! > So...elegant? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 05/05/2009, at 1:26 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > > > Ok, here are some special one I made last week, hope you like them ;- > ) > > > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/Fashion0905/embry.html > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 12:30:24 2009 Received: (qmail 11404 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 10:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 10:30:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BE7E182EE for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7654E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CF334AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:30:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AACB34AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:30:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10709 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 10:30:14 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2009 10:30:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4A001534.6090609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 06:30:12 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090504-1, 05/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 12:30:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00154052791234514069 I like both the Iris and the Rhody but both strike me as slightly backfocused, ie; foreground petals not quite as sharp as those further back. But that may be deliberate on your part. We had some discussion of this recently. I prefer the foreground elements to always be the sharpest, others do not. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at my house. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass is growing like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they decide to show up. The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for lighting, I decided to capture a few in our yard. > > Bearded Iris > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html > > White Rhododrendron > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html > > Our one and only rose > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html > > I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 12:42:15 2009 Received: (qmail 26963 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 10:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 10:42:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608A0E182FC for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E66DE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA80734AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:42:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAD134AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:42:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts10.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.54]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip4.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.87]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090505104210.TDSP1703.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip4.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:42:10 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0IAAey/0lGGKtR/2dsb2JhbAAIkXS9EoQBBQ Received: from bas4-toronto46-1176021841.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([70.24.171.81]) by toip4.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 05 May 2009 06:54:50 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 06:42:09 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike Thread-Index: AcnNbiPzYppJvDlhEd6HgwAX8gK7wA== Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 12:42:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a001807229511993019900 I haven't been hiking since November, but Saturday's weather convinced me to get back out on the trails. From a 13km "warm-up" hike on the Bruce Trail, with white trilliums everywhere through the woods: Just hand-held with the 12-60, pretty much grab shots because these hikes have something in common with forced marches and you can't hold up the rest of the group :-( . Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 12:44:26 2009 Received: (qmail 3555 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 10:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 10:44:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606F1E182B8 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6828EE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F04834AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:44:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA5034AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:44:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19072 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 10:44:19 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090504-1, 05/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Backyard with leaves X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 12:44:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00188a323751946193717 Looks like it's recovering nicely. I'm still trying to grow some Kentucky Blue Grass in spots that I killed last year to eradicate Yellow Nutsedge. The Blue Grass is very slow to germinate. 10 days of twice/day watering and not a blade to be seen yet. But I think there's a little Yellow Nutsedge reappearing. It's commonly described as the world's worst weed. :-( Chuck Norcutt Iwert wrote: > What a few leaves on the trees can do: > > authkey=Gv1sRgCMKavMqo_fSxXA&feat=directlink> > > Some before and after pictures. To be honest, we did some work on the > lawn, airing and seeding a bit extra. > The red & white is the 8 weeks embargo for the kids :), two weeks to go! > > Iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 12:47:00 2009 Received: (qmail 17845 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 10:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 10:46:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC63AE182AE for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F96E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B32A34AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:46:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3DC34AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:46:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20615 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 10:46:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090504-1, 05/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 17: Just some happy snaps X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 12:47:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a001924324337350615338 I ususally pick something other than the main but this week the main has got it. Nice shot! Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > The main events of last week were the May Day demo and the cricket > match which I showed in separate galleries. But of course there were > also some happy snaps along the way, a few of which are collected here: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=233 > > This is the nicest time of the year in Alicante. The weather is > reliably good, but the hordes of tourists have not yet arrived, and it > is not (yet) bloody hot as it will be in July and August. Just nice. > Neither heating nor air conditioning is needed. > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 12:47:34 2009 Received: (qmail 10026 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 10:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 10:47:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F93DE182E5 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C306EE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B592034AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:47:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BF334AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:47:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.154]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2932850ywr.80 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 03:47:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.86.10 with SMTP id j10mr5182186agb.12.1241520427234; Tue, 05 May 2009 03:47:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001101c9cd6c$49dc0d90$dd9428b0$@com.au> References: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <9e908c1f0905041805i3664011claff541aaf6b2a822@mail.gmail.com> <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> <001101c9cd6c$49dc0d90$dd9428b0$@com.au> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:46:51 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 12:47:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a001946212814673671140 2009/5/5 Wayne Harridge : > What stickers ? Marc: The stickers on their arms Wayne: Nope, can't see them Marc: They're right there, blue oval, some on their undoubtedly empty stomachs Wayne: Blue, you say? Marc: Yeah, with "Embry Form" written on them. See them now? Wayne: Are they really small? Marc: You can't miss them! They're *that* obvious! Wayne: Hmm, sorry, are you sure you're looking at the right pictures? Marc: ...[mulls for a bit] Marc: You know they're all lady-boys, don't you? Wayne: Oh! *Those* stickers! Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 12:49:13 2009 Received: (qmail 7609 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 10:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 10:49:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CB9E182F4 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3936E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FF419DF24 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:49:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F111B19DF19 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:49:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so8409398gxk.14 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 03:49:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.90.4 with SMTP id n4mr6219605agb.83.1241520546346; Tue, 05 May 2009 03:49:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A00191D.2090605@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9B82800E-8D14-49EE-AE72-2B8B6E3B6BD6@frozenlight.eu> <4A00191D.2090605@chucknorcutt.com> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:48:51 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 17: Just some happy snaps X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 12:49:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0019a93869347015869 2009/5/5 Chuck Norcutt : > I ususally pick something other than the main but this week the main has > got it. =A0Nice shot! I agree. It was my favourite too. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 13:01:58 2009 Received: (qmail 19952 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 11:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 11:01:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78F6E182C9 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CA3E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B99319DF62 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:01:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF0F19DF5E for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:01:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29854 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 11:01:49 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090504-1, 05/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 13:01:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a001ca627077927319144 I found this very interesting. Not only did I not know of or anticipate the use of ND filters in the exposure system but I wouldn't have thought them necessary at all. I had assumed they were using electronic shutters at the chip level and would be able to accommodate any brightness level via very fast exposure. Obviously, there's much I don't understand about how these things work... eg, why my Mynolta A1 uses both a mechanical and electronic shutter, why it can sync with its built-in flash at any shutter speed but recommends only up to 1/250 for Mynolta external flash units... even though I know it works faster than that with the flash units I use. Maybe it's manual vs auto exposure. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > C.H.Ling wrote: >> It is a little strange, for ISO800 test the F31fd was using 1/340s F5.6 but the F200EXR was using 1/75s F12! It will sure hurt the details. >> > > Hard to fault the testers. The F200 is in the line of fully automatic > Fuji F series cameras. so far, only the F11, 30 and 31 have any > aperture/speed preferred and manual controls settings. So if they want > to take a test shot with their standard setup and lighting, they get > what the camera gives them. > > On the other hand, can we be sure f12 is a bad choice? > > I think it is also possible that the Fuji engineers aren't actually > stupid. Oh my, looking further into the review, we learn: > > "Like many compact cameras, the F200 only allows only two aperture > settings at each position of the lens (fully open and fully open minus > three stops, by way of a combined physical stop and ND filter)." > > So, f12 is just the smaller "stop" at the particular focal length > chosen, and not a "true" f12 focal ratio of aperture and focal length. > It's a shame the true , useful meaning of f-stop will now disappear, at > least in digicams. On the other hand, it's a smart solution to the > exposure vs. diffraction blurring problem. I think some high end Canon > digis have, or have had, built in ND filters as part of their AE system > for years. I wouldn't be surprised if it's fairly common, but > unannounced, practice. > > Looks like all the theoretical calculations may be at least partly > useless for these tiny sensor cameras, as well as DOF calculations. > > A lot of people bash the dpreview reviews, but read throughly, they > contain pretty much all the important stuff. I often won't agree with > their conclusions/ratings because my priorities difffer, but I can > usually find out what I need to know for my own evaluation. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 13:05:44 2009 Received: (qmail 3757 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 11:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 11:05:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337DFE182B8 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAE5E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9DF19DF8D for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:05:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D500619DF87 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:05:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32126 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 11:05:35 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2009 11:05:35 -0000 Message-ID: <4A001D7F.5060301@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 07:05:35 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <326845.16486.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <326845.16486.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090504-1, 05/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 13:05:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a001d88119151823421471 Good to see you back, Tim. It's been a long time since one of these insightful posts. Chuck Norcutt Tim Hughes wrote: > I read their position paper and I think some of the claims are > overblown and maybe in some cases specious: > > http://www.fujifilm.com/photokina2008/pdf/release/super_ccd_exr_e.pdf > > > It looks like when running in 6Mpixel modes there are some advantages > in some ways, but not really in 12 mpixel mode. The mode with > increased dynamic range is an example where it maybe a fairly good > tradeof, but you land up in a mode pretty close to 6Mpixel rather > than 12. > > For example it appears the traditional beyer pattern, which is > optimised for highest resolution in green, since this is human eyes > peak sensitivity and peak sunlight wavelength, will have higher > horizontal resolution than the new exp pattern. This actually even > adds a little more since the eye/brain aparently also subjectively > percieves it to be highest reolution if it has greatest resolution in > the horizontal direction. > > The new exp patern is quite strange in that the highest resolution in > green is on the left diagonal , with all other directions being > lower! This is non-optimal since horizontal is best subjectively. The > beyer has equal, but reduced by 45% resolution on both > diagonals,while the vertical and horizontal are the the highest and > equal. > > The exr horizontal green resolution, is lower than the beyer, at > 12Mpix because of diagonal pattern. Because of the unsymetrical > spacing of exp, it also aliases at even lower resolution than you > would normally imagine from that raw color pixel count. If you > photographed a thin curved line object like a hair say, it would > produce some additional low frequency aliasing because sampling was > more non-uniform ,at different angles than beyer. (think: if a line > pair is sampled by two close spaced pixels then they get resolved, > but the next pair of pixels in exp are now more widely spaced, so the > next adjacent line pair is not resolved) > > The wide dynamic range option which is really more like 6mpixel, > since it selects best exposure from two diagonal pixels, then has > uniform sampling, at least at a particular brightness level. > > The claim that there is less aliasing from binning diagonally left > adjacent pixels in exr, rather than more widely separated ones > (bayer), is complex to analyse and is more orientation dependent than > beyer. > > However, because the beyer samples at a higher horizontal frequency > than the non-uniform exr, then binning two horizontal (or vertical) > pixels in beyer, still has lower aliasing, since the actual sampling > was done at a higher resolution (frequency) thus having lowest > aliasing. > > The s/n ratio improvement is exactly the same for equal area > photo-diodes in the two technologies. In this comparison for the > bayer at 6mpixels, the optimal bining for best subjective and actual > resolution, would be combining vertical pixels. > > Tim Hughes > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, usher99@aol.com wrote: > >> From: usher99@aol.com Subject: [OM] clever use of >> available sensor real estate To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: >> Friday, May 1, 2009, 2:12 PM >> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf200exr/page2.asp >> >> Moose might be amused that low light performance a few generations >> later still doesn't really exceed the F30/31--the latter are still >> expensive. >> >> Not many Moose sightings of late. >> >> A Trace Worried Mike -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 13:06:44 2009 Received: (qmail 13493 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 11:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 11:06:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E1AE182EC for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3A6E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E71634AC027 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:06:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A3C34AC026 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:06:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from brigitte.telenet-ops.be (brigitte.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.66]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([94.224.139.19]) by brigitte.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id nn6c1b00s0RJCnS0Gn6cz5; Tue, 05 May 2009 13:06:37 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2FF2AD2C-8DC9-476A-A83D-30E6763C5FED@gmail.com> From: Iwert Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:06:35 +0200 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 13:06:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a001dc492791234514069 Very nice for the forced march approach:) I know the feeling, I'm also always hanging around somewhere in the back... I really like the 12-60, it is a very fine all-round lens and comes rather close to a macro (even more so combined with the 1.4 TC). I like "Violet" most! Iwert Op 5-mei-09, om 12:42 heeft Michael Collins het volgende geschreven: > I haven't been hiking since November, but Saturday's weather > convinced me to > get back out on the trails. From a 13km "warm-up" hike on the Bruce > Trail, > with white trilliums everywhere through the woods: > > > > Just hand-held with the 12-60, pretty much grab shots because these > hikes > have something in common with forced marches and you can't hold up > the rest > of the group :-( . > > Michael > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 13:10:05 2009 Received: (qmail 5029 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 11:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 11:10:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5DCE182E7 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9780DE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8197F19DFB3 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:09:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64C819DF86 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:09:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2441 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 11:09:57 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090504-1, 05/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 13:10:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a001e8c298511073733319 Very nice. It's always interesting to see the difference in DOF from an E-thing image vs. 35mm. Chuck Norcutt Michael Collins wrote: > I haven't been hiking since November, but Saturday's weather convinced me to > get back out on the trails. From a 13km "warm-up" hike on the Bruce Trail, > with white trilliums everywhere through the woods: > > > > Just hand-held with the 12-60, pretty much grab shots because these hikes > have something in common with forced marches and you can't hold up the rest > of the group :-( . > > Michael > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 13:36:20 2009 Received: (qmail 19039 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 11:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 11:36:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388ECE182ED for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BCAE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D96A19E077 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:36:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C66C19DC26 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:36:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-134.ctimail.com [61.93.57.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n45BaAg0018433 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 19:36:11 +0800 Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n45BaAYG021859 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 19:36:10 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <8A241E39DE324CEABD61313F1183108D@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> <4A000AA9.2070109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:36:06 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 13:36:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0024b4230277927319144 Moose, thanks for the checking and pointing out the trick about F12 is not the actual aperture value just equivalent with ND filter used. I'm not an anti-dp guy, on the contrary it is my mostly used reference site for DC/DSLR test but I didn't check out the details about F200EXR test as I'm not interested on it. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > C.H.Ling wrote: >> It is a little strange, for ISO800 test the F31fd was using 1/340s F5.6 >> but the F200EXR was using 1/75s F12! It will sure hurt the details. >> > > Hard to fault the testers. The F200 is in the line of fully automatic > Fuji F series cameras. so far, only the F11, 30 and 31 have any > aperture/speed preferred and manual controls settings. So if they want > to take a test shot with their standard setup and lighting, they get > what the camera gives them. > > On the other hand, can we be sure f12 is a bad choice? > > I think it is also possible that the Fuji engineers aren't actually > stupid. Oh my, looking further into the review, we learn: > > "Like many compact cameras, the F200 only allows only two aperture > settings at each position of the lens (fully open and fully open minus > three stops, by way of a combined physical stop and ND filter)." > > So, f12 is just the smaller "stop" at the particular focal length > chosen, and not a "true" f12 focal ratio of aperture and focal length. > It's a shame the true , useful meaning of f-stop will now disappear, at > least in digicams. On the other hand, it's a smart solution to the > exposure vs. diffraction blurring problem. I think some high end Canon > digis have, or have had, built in ND filters as part of their AE system > for years. I wouldn't be surprised if it's fairly common, but > unannounced, practice. > > Looks like all the theoretical calculations may be at least partly > useless for these tiny sensor cameras, as well as DOF calculations. > > A lot of people bash the dpreview reviews, but read throughly, they > contain pretty much all the important stuff. I often won't agree with > their conclusions/ratings because my priorities difffer, but I can > usually find out what I need to know for my own evaluation. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 13:51:17 2009 Received: (qmail 3137 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 11:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 11:51:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D28E182F8 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED9AE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1BD34AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2763434AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 04:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so2777245anc.35 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 04:51:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.211.3 with SMTP id j3mr15720171ang.19.1241524270555; Tue, 05 May 2009 04:51:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> References: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <9e908c1f0905041805i3664011claff541aaf6b2a822@mail.gmail.com> <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 06:51:10 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0905050451g184f96f3ia0b29da8480d010b@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 13:51:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a002835201711823421471 Very nice. Beautifully captured in the light. For the record, I prefer the parade ladies. Joel W. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:26 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks for Ken, Chuck, Bob, Joel and those watching. Your guys seem like = the > se=F1oritas shots more :-) > > Ok, here are some special one I made last week, hope you like them ;-) > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/Fashion0905/embry.html -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 14:04:27 2009 Received: (qmail 3205 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 12:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 12:04:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F89E182F6 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7476CE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BFE19E149 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:04:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE3019E142 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:04:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.106]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30392 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2009 12:04:19 -0000 Message-ID: <987300.29766.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JmEb4lwVM1mEMHnS19apwOK9g._RVSWJvDmUKVdnyxvXOOGK041fFWkKYp429d6eB.IPuPkKxNM8e6uAdDPryTd2LtjU6BkReblBdszGPoOEpoFpJG0LC2ZHFIjQKAYDLZwCalyWjRJggM6SWeGxLnKRL_py6ocwROqhAEFQcxej6TagCX_STMnfDnAzLMqLW..F3XaWErrhSXvp9U5KB0Y3KxFO6bWysadgfGRnCDsGtIRWR_TM4zG88SCgettmDUSNV5m6Bu9MlsYMFEPYBJYq5KnX9LuzcdHjd7wPKLlSxXfehMUrqqHRKhN0VhiccMNCBxyB1eZ_CltEJ6qR84.sA49lmg-- Received: from [70.231.233.198] by web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 05:04:18 PDT X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 05:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A001D7F.5060301@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 14:04:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a002b4b200483675314703 Hi Chuck, thanks, I have not been checking this list much lately, although I had some off list correspondence with some people about a few things recently. I have been playing with a Mobilight 300J Studio flash at the moment, which was a keh non working unit. Fairly simple unit which comes with a battery pack too, so you can use it away from the studio, off line. They have a rather dangerous high voltage connector on it, which you can easily stick your fingers in , if not careful. Quite amazing in a modern unit to have such a dangerous setup. I am going to change the connector ,so I can use it with Quantum turbo style cables as well. Tim Hughes --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > From: Chuck Norcutt > Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:05 AM > Good to see you back, Tim. It's been a long time since > one of these > insightful posts. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Tim Hughes wrote: > > I read their position paper and I think some of the > claims are > > overblown and maybe in some cases specious: > > > > > http://www.fujifilm.com/photokina2008/pdf/release/super_ccd_exr_e.pdf > > > > > > It looks like when running in 6Mpixel modes there are > some advantages > > in some ways, but not really in 12 mpixel mode. The > mode with > > increased dynamic range is an example where it maybe a > fairly good > > tradeof, but you land up in a mode pretty close to > 6Mpixel rather > > than 12. > > > > For example it appears the traditional beyer pattern, > which is > > optimised for highest resolution in green, since this > is human eyes > > peak sensitivity and peak sunlight wavelength, will > have higher > > horizontal resolution than the new exp pattern. This > actually even > > adds a little more since the eye/brain aparently also > subjectively > > percieves it to be highest reolution if it has > greatest resolution in > > the horizontal direction. > > > > The new exp patern is quite strange in that the > highest resolution in > > green is on the left diagonal , with all other > directions being > > lower! This is non-optimal since horizontal is best > subjectively. The > > beyer has equal, but reduced by 45% resolution on > both > > diagonals,while the vertical and horizontal are the > the highest and > > equal. > > > > The exr horizontal green resolution, is lower than the > beyer, at > > 12Mpix because of diagonal pattern. Because of the > unsymetrical > > spacing of exp, it also aliases at even lower > resolution than you > > would normally imagine from that raw color pixel > count. If you > > photographed a thin curved line object like a hair > say, it would > > produce some additional low frequency aliasing because > sampling was > > more non-uniform ,at different angles than beyer. > (think: if a line > > pair is sampled by two close spaced pixels then they > get resolved, > > but the next pair of pixels in exp are now more widely > spaced, so the > > next adjacent line pair is not resolved) > > > > The wide dynamic range option which is really more > like 6mpixel, > > since it selects best exposure from two diagonal > pixels, then has > > uniform sampling, at least at a particular brightness > level. > > > > The claim that there is less aliasing from binning > diagonally left > > adjacent pixels in exr, rather than more widely > separated ones > > (bayer), is complex to analyse and is more orientation > dependent than > > beyer. > > > > However, because the beyer samples at a higher > horizontal frequency > > than the non-uniform exr, then binning two horizontal > (or vertical) > > pixels in beyer, still has lower aliasing, since the > actual sampling > > was done at a higher resolution (frequency) thus > having lowest > > aliasing. > > > > The s/n ratio improvement is exactly the same for > equal area > > photo-diodes in the two technologies. In this > comparison for the > > bayer at 6mpixels, the optimal bining for best > subjective and actual > > resolution, would be combining vertical pixels. > > > > Tim Hughes > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, usher99@aol.com > wrote: > > > >> From: usher99@aol.com > Subject: [OM] clever use of > >> available sensor real estate To: > olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: > >> Friday, May 1, 2009, 2:12 PM > >> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf200exr/page2.asp > >> > >> Moose might be amused that low light performance a > few generations > >> later still doesn't really exceed the > F30/31--the latter are still > >> expensive. > >> > >> Not many Moose sightings of late. > >> > >> A Trace Worried Mike -- > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > > >> Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: > http://www.tope.nl/ > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 14:12:08 2009 Received: (qmail 10559 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 12:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 12:12:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28B9E182F3 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951A1E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765A234AC027 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:12:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227E234AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:12:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.208.170]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ60059677IZE7U@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 05 May 2009 07:11:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A002D07.8030803@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 08:11:51 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 14:12:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a002d17247891023412894 Unemployment rates also do not count people whose benefits have run out and those who have simply stopped looking for work. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chris Crawford wrote: > Unemployment rates usually only count those looking for jobs. The disabled, > mentally ill, etc. do not usually look for work. They live off family, or > welfare, or disability payments from the govt. I know a lot of highly > educated, hardworking, intelligent people who cannot find any kind of job. > There is a huge number of unemployed university grads where I live, > including myself. Many of us have been unemployed for YEARS at a stretch, we > apply for hundreds of jobs and never even get an interview. There just > aren't enough jobs for the number of people in the world. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 14:24:24 2009 Received: (qmail 8429 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 12:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 12:24:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E988E182FD for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4693DE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE3E19E1FE for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:24:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14A419E1FA for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:24:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.108]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15839 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2009 12:24:17 -0000 Message-ID: <40572.15824.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qO6dkyMVM1lm4dfeZNcknxsYnTUrrLq2O5MaYEl_a5vUhatXrK.yt1G6q3FHSAOKNXJekcDHkbIl0dGRcuKrmwjlqGow5SQz6QgPVZX7LzVm2h2LYaKOYjxcfYEzJbdaqpV5PyrVJ3ODfdtpre7GGAvpX8_BH5ChKKMpRH8DiWLbt_in1hsE0R4.tgSBv6ZhubBmqrwKywl6dPn_zgLN3PjrCY3atbu7fymP0GYFjbAyZPkOvMSd8C_LXdSkX.Yl2Qg_kLwXjz13NwltP8.6xBfXWTujQ5aZxiz_01.hbRO4UV7y9A2xqqECmmdx4GM5_7_yfqs2dZWBnjUc3uqf6U_Qk170Xg-- Received: from [70.231.233.198] by web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 05:24:16 PDT X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 05:24:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <987300.29766.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] OT: What to do in Chicago Area X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 14:24:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a002ff820951257536491 I am going to the DDW medical conference, at the end of the month in Chicago. Thought I might take a little time off, to see area, although I have spent time doing a bit of sight-seeing there before. Anybody got any favourite recomendations of things to do,places to go see there? thanks, Tim Hughes --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Tim Hughes wrote: > From: Tim Hughes > Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:04 AM > > > Hi Chuck, > thanks, I have not been checking this list much > lately, although I had some off list correspondence with > some people about a few things recently. > > I have been playing with a Mobilight 300J Studio flash at > the moment, which was a keh non working unit. Fairly simple > unit which comes with a battery pack too, so you can use it > away from the studio, off line. They have a rather dangerous > high voltage connector on it, which you can easily stick > your fingers in , if not careful. Quite amazing in a modern > unit to have such a dangerous setup. I am going to change > the connector ,so I can use it with Quantum turbo style > cables as well. > > Tim Hughes > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > > > From: Chuck Norcutt > > > Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real > estate > > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > > > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:05 AM > > Good to see you back, Tim. It's been a long time > since > > one of these > > insightful posts. > > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > Tim Hughes wrote: > > > I read their position paper and I think some of > the > > claims are > > > overblown and maybe in some cases specious: > > > > > > > > > http://www.fujifilm.com/photokina2008/pdf/release/super_ccd_exr_e.pdf > > > > > > > > > It looks like when running in 6Mpixel modes there > are > > some advantages > > > in some ways, but not really in 12 mpixel mode. > The > > mode with > > > increased dynamic range is an example where it > maybe a > > fairly good > > > tradeof, but you land up in a mode pretty close > to > > 6Mpixel rather > > > than 12. > > > > > > For example it appears the traditional beyer > pattern, > > which is > > > optimised for highest resolution in green, since > this > > is human eyes > > > peak sensitivity and peak sunlight wavelength, > will > > have higher > > > horizontal resolution than the new exp pattern. > This > > actually even > > > adds a little more since the eye/brain aparently > also > > subjectively > > > percieves it to be highest reolution if it has > > greatest resolution in > > > the horizontal direction. > > > > > > The new exp patern is quite strange in that the > > highest resolution in > > > green is on the left diagonal , with all other > > directions being > > > lower! This is non-optimal since horizontal is > best > > subjectively. The > > > beyer has equal, but reduced by 45% resolution > on > > both > > > diagonals,while the vertical and horizontal are > the > > the highest and > > > equal. > > > > > > The exr horizontal green resolution, is lower > than the > > beyer, at > > > 12Mpix because of diagonal pattern. Because of > the > > unsymetrical > > > spacing of exp, it also aliases at even lower > > resolution than you > > > would normally imagine from that raw color pixel > > count. If you > > > photographed a thin curved line object like a > hair > > say, it would > > > produce some additional low frequency aliasing > because > > sampling was > > > more non-uniform ,at different angles than beyer. > > (think: if a line > > > pair is sampled by two close spaced pixels then > they > > get resolved, > > > but the next pair of pixels in exp are now more > widely > > spaced, so the > > > next adjacent line pair is not resolved) > > > > > > The wide dynamic range option which is really > more > > like 6mpixel, > > > since it selects best exposure from two diagonal > > pixels, then has > > > uniform sampling, at least at a particular > brightness > > level. > > > > > > The claim that there is less aliasing from > binning > > diagonally left > > > adjacent pixels in exr, rather than more widely > > separated ones > > > (bayer), is complex to analyse and is more > orientation > > dependent than > > > beyer. > > > > > > However, because the beyer samples at a higher > > horizontal frequency > > > than the non-uniform exr, then binning two > horizontal > > (or vertical) > > > pixels in beyer, still has lower aliasing, since > the > > actual sampling > > > was done at a higher resolution (frequency) thus > > having lowest > > > aliasing. > > > > > > The s/n ratio improvement is exactly the same for > > equal area > > > photo-diodes in the two technologies. In this > > comparison for the > > > bayer at 6mpixels, the optimal bining for best > > subjective and actual > > > resolution, would be combining vertical pixels. > > > > > > Tim Hughes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, usher99@aol.com > > wrote: > > > > > >> From: usher99@aol.com > > Subject: [OM] clever use of > > >> available sensor real estate To: > > olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: > > >> Friday, May 1, 2009, 2:12 PM > > >> > > > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf200exr/page2.asp > > >> > > >> Moose might be amused that low light > performance a > > few generations > > >> later still doesn't really exceed the > > F30/31--the latter are still > > >> expensive. > > >> > > >> Not many Moose sightings of late. > > >> > > >> A Trace Worried Mike -- > > >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> Options: > > > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > >> Archives: > > > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: > > http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: > > > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: > > > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 14:28:21 2009 Received: (qmail 19053 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 12:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 12:28:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923EFE182EB for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6BC3E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D4519E20A for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:28:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5513C19E1FF for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:28:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:28:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.208.170]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ6005G07YUZE8U@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 05 May 2009 07:28:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A0030DF.1060903@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 08:28:15 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5.1.0.14.2.20090503224039.00c04f58@mail.threshinc.com> <14883a8b0905040653u2c40dab0w43c69f3f6e3b9f2c@mail.gmail.com> <49FF28DE.2020002@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <49FF28DE.2020002@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 14:28:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0030e5210041499373980 Very nice (and very cute ladies!) ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Some could use a little shadow/highlight adjustment but you've certainly = > managed to find the se=F1oritas... again. :-) > = > Chuck Norcutt > = > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Here are some photos from the Tin Hau Parade in Yuen Long, Hong Kong on = Apr = >> 18. This was my third time in this yearly event, the first time with E-1= , = >> 11-22 and 50-200, the second time 40D and Tamron 17-50. >> >> This year I brought the 5D II with OM 28-48 and 65-200, I like the resul= t = >> better this year. For the wide shot, many of them has too sharp backgrou= nd = >> with motion blur on the object that give an impression of back focus, ne= xt = >> year I will try to use larger aperture or focus a little closer. The 65-= 200 = >> is a little slow in focusing (tight), my OM 50-250 is better but I'm a b= it = >> worry about its OOF character. >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/YL09/YL09.htm >> >> C.H.Ling = >> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 14:57:47 2009 Received: (qmail 9641 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 12:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 12:57:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E83E182EC for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED126E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E4E34AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:57:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474C834AC026 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:57:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 05:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.208.170]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ6007L99BUD0BM@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 05 May 2009 07:57:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A0037C3.8020801@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 08:57:39 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <7606001ACA0240EC9397AC8FF605C150@hudson> <49FD2B77.4020606@gmail.com> <49FD77BE.4020404@chucknorcutt.com> <49FF4E26.9080509@gmail.com> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] What I did for Earth Day X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 14:57:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0037cb85241499373980 Very nice effect. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chris Barker wrote: > Ah, a sprinkler! > > The effect is lovely, Moose. Well caught. > > Chris > > On 4 May 2009, at 21:20, Moose wrote: > >>> > This one is all down to Carol. As I caught up to her from >> photographing >> other things, she was staring down at an odd angle at an unpromising >> area. It was only when I asked what she was looking at and she moved >> aside that I saw how the lowering sun was creating rainbows in the >> mist >> from a powerful sprinkler spraying some trees/brush. A little >> opening in >> the foliage created a good place full of the mist. I'd have almost >> certainly missed it on my own. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 15:08:59 2009 Received: (qmail 29324 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 13:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 13:08:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B92AE182EE for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A8BE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF08734AC026 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:08:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C4D34AC028 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:08:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so2801649anc.35 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 06:08:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.120.19 with SMTP id s19mr78341anc.54.1241528930354; Tue, 05 May 2009 06:08:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A001534.6090609@chucknorcutt.com> References: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> <4A001534.6090609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:08:50 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0905050608h4fe6f1fdk568e9d7f1a20f12e@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 15:08:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a003a6b275111946193717 Not disagreeing with Chuck, but it's a bit like making sure the eyes are in focus at the expense of the nose. Considerations about bokeh play in too. Big flowers like that, at that magnification, require about f16 to get all parts in focus, maybe. Background may suffer as a result. It's all about tradeoffs. Frankly, what I hate to see with big flowers is the front tips of the petals in perfect focus and the rest of the flower all mushy because the photographer is enjoying the bokeh of his cool lens at f2. I think Jim's judgments were pretty much right on. Well done. Can't believe you've got a rose already. We're just finishing Dutchman's britiches and getting violets right now. Joel W. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I like both the Iris and the Rhody but both strike me as slightly > backfocused, ie; foreground petals not quite as sharp as those further > back. =A0But that may be deliberate on your part. =A0We had some discussi= on > of this recently. =A0I prefer the foreground elements to always be the > sharpest, others do not. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at my ho= use. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass is growing = like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they decide to show up. = =A0The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for lighting, I decided to c= apture a few in our yard. >> >> Bearded Iris >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html >> >> White Rhododrendron >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html >> >> Our one and only rose >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html >> >> I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. =A0Comments and c= ritiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 15:34:17 2009 Received: (qmail 11617 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 13:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 13:34:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D4BE182C8 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B419EE24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5F934AC026 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:34:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C3F34AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:34:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp09.online.nl (smtp09.online.nl [194.134.42.54]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp09.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5EB1E00E for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:34:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:34:09 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:34:07 +0200 Message-ID: <51B807DBE6E940909D010EE2E8AE1DF1@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp09.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 15:34:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a004059209891234514069 Thanks Michael, This one really shines for me: http://www.galleries.ownvolition.com/index.php?gallery=Nature/Silver%20C reek%20hike%202009-05-02&image=Red%20trilliums.jpg Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Michael Collins [mailto:MRC.OlympusList@ownvolition.com] > Verzonden: dinsdag 5 mei 2009 12:42 > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike > > > I haven't been hiking since November, but Saturday's weather > convinced me to get back out on the trails. From a 13km > "warm-up" hike on the Bruce Trail, with white trilliums > everywhere through the woods: > > > > Just hand-held with the 12-60, pretty much grab shots because > these hikes have something in common with forced marches and > you can't hold up the rest of the group :-( . > > Michael > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.18/2096 - Release > Date: 05/04/09 17:51:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 15:36:17 2009 Received: (qmail 28260 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 13:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 13:36:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C3AE182D4 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78288E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6820319E373 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:36:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FE519E377 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:36:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.152]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2984454ywr.80 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.126.19 with SMTP id y19mr154035anc.46.1241530570539; Tue, 05 May 2009 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <40572.15824.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <987300.29766.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <40572.15824.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:36:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2d5504df764575ad Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: What to do in Chicago Area X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 15:36:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0040d139631073733319 > > Anybody got any favourite recomendations of things to do,places to go see > there? > thanks, > Pizzeria Uno. AG (always thinking food) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 15:38:33 2009 Received: (qmail 1353 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 13:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 13:38:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1297E182ED for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B13CE24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E58D34AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:38:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A958B34AC026 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:38:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp03.online.nl (smtp03.online.nl [194.134.41.33]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 06:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E446822E for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:38:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:38:26 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:38:25 +0200 Message-ID: <13ACA3B886D1493AB7E463BF228C714F@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <23A3DE71-DC1D-4F0F-8EA3-4A129B6C5BC6@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Backyard with leaves X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 15:38:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00415952941702588592 Quite a difference indeed Iwert, My grass still has lots of moss in it. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Iwert [mailto:zuikooh@gmail.com] > Verzonden: dinsdag 5 mei 2009 11:26 > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: [OM] Backyard with leaves > > > What a few leaves on the trees can do: > > authkey=Gv1sRgCMKavMqo_fSxXA&feat=directlink> > > Some before and after pictures. To be honest, we did some > work on the > lawn, airing and seeding a bit extra. > The red & white is the 8 weeks embargo for the kids :), two > weeks to go! > > Iwert > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.18/2096 - Release > Date: 05/04/09 17:51:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 16:06:36 2009 Received: (qmail 3186 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 14:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 14:06:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4A7E182ED for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2708E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2D534AC027 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:06:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2303834AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:06:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so2820474anc.35 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 07:06:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.164.20 with SMTP id m20mr236982ane.31.1241532385157; Tue, 05 May 2009 07:06:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <40572.15824.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <987300.29766.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <40572.15824.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:06:25 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0905050706w49d357dfha7b4e90c5b104760@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT: What to do in Chicago Area X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 16:06:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0047ec224601234514069 I have a brother who has lived in the Chicago metro area for 30 years, but it's no good asking him because he doesn't go downtown, ever. What I like to do is pretty much the same thing, over and over, which is to visit the museums and things downtown upon purchasing a City Pass: http://www.citypass.com/city/chicago.html?id=3DSvFNmnhL It's a good value even if you don't have time for all the items. Try to get uptown in the evening for some good Italian and a blues club. Have fun! Joel W. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Tim Hughes wrote: > > I am going to the DDW medical conference, at the end of the month in Chic= ago. Thought I might take a little time off, to see area, although I have s= pent time doing a bit of sight-seeing there before. > Anybody got =A0any favourite recomendations of things to do,places to go = see there? > thanks, > Tim Hughes -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 16:12:00 2009 Received: (qmail 6375 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 14:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 14:12:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D465E182E1 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A15E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0202519E42B for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:11:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C71E19E425 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:11:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.155]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2996041ywr.80 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 07:11:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.58.19 with SMTP id g19mr144504ana.149.1241532710487; Tue, 05 May 2009 07:11:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:11:50 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0905050711i2ea94e69wdc68761448344a11@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 16:12:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a004930145241234514069 On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Michael Collins wrote: > I haven't been hiking since November, but Saturday's weather convinced me= to > get back out on the trails. From a 13km "warm-up" hike on the Bruce Trail, > with white trilliums everywhere through the woods: > > =A0 > > Just hand-held with the 12-60, pretty much grab shots because these hikes > have something in common with forced marches and you can't hold up the re= st > of the group :-( . > > Michael Those are terrific, Michael -- thanks! I think these are Spring Beauties, not violets: http://www.galleries.ownvolition.com/index.php?gallery=3DNature/Silver%20Cr= eek%20hike%202009-05-02&image=3DTBD.jpg Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 16:17:49 2009 Received: (qmail 22765 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 14:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 14:17:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71A2E182E5 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697C4E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E7319E459 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:17:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED36519E447 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:17:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so2824160anc.35 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 07:17:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.121.12 with SMTP id t12mr219811anc.58.1241533062283; Tue, 05 May 2009 07:17:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A000AA9.2070109@gmail.com> References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> <4A000AA9.2070109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:17:42 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0905050717w55cb99a8v120db5883fff33b0@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 16:17:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a004a8d71351234514069 On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Moose wrote: > =A0A lot of people bash the dpreview reviews, but read throughly, they > contain pretty much all the important stuff. I often won't agree with > their conclusions/ratings because my priorities difffer, but I can > usually find out what I need to know for my own evaluation. Agree. As an emotional stakeholder in Olympus, it is very irritating to discover they have drawn conclusions about RAW capture without even using the manufacturer's software, which makes a big difference. But the information, when it can be sifted from that kind of disregard, is very useful for sure. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 16:30:19 2009 Received: (qmail 3005 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 14:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 14:30:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2C8E18301 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C174BE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B071919E4CC for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:30:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.397 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.397 required=7 tests=[FB_NUMYO=2.397, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEDE19E4B7 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:30:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.155]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so3002034ywr.80 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 07:30:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.41.9 with SMTP id o9mr170295ano.155.1241533810538; Tue, 05 May 2009 07:30:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A002D07.8030803@verizon.net> References: <4A002D07.8030803@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:30:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b2cb510b74e775a6 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 16:30:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a004d7b48062070262475 > > Unemployment rates also do not count people whose benefits have run out > and those who have simply stopped looking for work. > As previously mentioned, this isn't necessarily true. There is a fudge-factor built into the unemployment rates. The one statistic which is absolutely true in regards to what you refer to is unemployment claims. It is the specific tracking of those who are filing for or are currently receiving unemployment compensation. But it is NOT the only number used to calculate the unemployment rate. It is only one of the numbers that makes up the unemployment rate. The government does also take into account the "I give up" people and specifically addresses them in their own category. An excellent read on this is the following webpage from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. In it, you will see that there are three distinct categories: Employed, Unemployed and Not in the Labor Force. Somebody who is not actively seeking employment isn't unemployed, they have removed themselves from the labor force. To count these individuals as "unemployed", may be true from the fact that they aren't "employed", that doesn't mean that they are draining society. There are plenty of two-income households that have gone down to one and are getting by nicely. Many families have discovered that they can live on one salary while the other does the in-home child-care (saving $250 per week) or is starting a photography business. ;) http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm I alluded to something in the last paragraph which we also need to consider. Through the 1990's the percentage of two-income families skyrocketed. In the US, as of the last report, we have a 59.9% Employment-Population Ratio. (16 years old and older) The highest this ever reached was 64.7 in 2000. Prior to around 1980, it was never as high as it is now. So, effectively, of the population that is 16 yo and older, you could say that we have a 40.1% unemployment rate, but to put it in perspective, at the very very best we had a 35.3% unemployment rate. So, those who say that the "unemployement rate" doesn't include the "..." is true, but before we start adding in our own fudge-factors for "..." reasons, consider that it has already been done and you cannot just look at one number and get an idea of what is going on in any area. Just to put the above into perspective, in May 1953 we had a nationwide unemployment rate of 2.5%. The lowest on record. Yet the Employment-Population Ratio of 57.1%, which is almost 3% lower than it is right now. Furthermore, in last month's report, there were almost 141 million people employed in the US. Prior to April 2005 there were NEVER this many people employed in the US. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 16:49:07 2009 Received: (qmail 27515 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 14:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 14:49:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2376DE182E4 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817A2E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736D519E542 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:49:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E7F19E539 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:48:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so3006080yxf.80 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 07:48:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.177.10 with SMTP id z10mr347248ane.2.1241534938512; Tue, 05 May 2009 07:48:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0905050717w55cb99a8v120db5883fff33b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> <4A000AA9.2070109@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0905050717w55cb99a8v120db5883fff33b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:48:58 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c7849b1a804d423f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 16:49:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0051e3114641838542571 > > Agree. As an emotional stakeholder in Olympus, it is very irritating > to discover they have drawn conclusions about RAW capture without even > using the manufacturer's software, which makes a big difference. But > the information, when it can be sifted from that kind of disregard, is > very useful for sure. > That's right. I'm appalled that the reviewers have decided that the "lowest common denominator" (ACR) is the end-all and be-all for image-quality out of a digital camera. Isn't that like saying "We're going to test all cameras with this Soligar lens because it's available in all mounts"? And then grousing because the cameras have CA. I am absolutely no fan of ACR (and/or Lightroom) for Olympus files. The Adobe profiles are just plain off for most of the ORF files. What these reviewers are doing is saying "The E-xx sucks" but won't accept that Adobe has a faulty profile! The camera manufacturers spend huge amounts of money in R&D to get the profiles perfect in their cameras and raw converters, and Adobe comes along and takes FOUR PICTURES OF A COLOR CHART AND AVERAGES THE RESULTS TOGETHER!!!! Yes, I'm shouting. Do we actually realize the significance of that? Adobe took FOUR pictures of a stinking color chart folks. That's it. The entire profile is built from that! Only when something is blatently wrong will they go back and fix, adjust or take more pictures. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 16:59:20 2009 Received: (qmail 7674 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 14:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 14:59:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE890E18310 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15141E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA04834AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:59:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AAD34AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:59:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23293 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 14:59:09 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090504-1, 05/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 16:59:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a005448102142070262475 Thanks for the Mobillight heads-up. I've never heard of them before but I'll remember not to buy one. :-) Chuck Norcutt Tim Hughes wrote: > > > Hi Chuck, > thanks, I have not been checking this list much lately, although I had some off list correspondence with some people about a few things recently. > > I have been playing with a Mobilight 300J Studio flash at the moment, which was a keh non working unit. Fairly simple unit which comes with a battery pack too, so you can use it away from the studio, off line. They have a rather dangerous high voltage connector on it, which you can easily stick your fingers in , if not careful. Quite amazing in a modern unit to have such a dangerous setup. I am going to change the connector ,so I can use it with Quantum turbo style cables as well. > > Tim Hughes > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> From: Chuck Norcutt >> Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:05 AM >> Good to see you back, Tim. It's been a long time since >> one of these >> insightful posts. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Tim Hughes wrote: >>> I read their position paper and I think some of the >> claims are >>> overblown and maybe in some cases specious: >>> >>> >> http://www.fujifilm.com/photokina2008/pdf/release/super_ccd_exr_e.pdf >>> >>> It looks like when running in 6Mpixel modes there are >> some advantages >>> in some ways, but not really in 12 mpixel mode. The >> mode with >>> increased dynamic range is an example where it maybe a >> fairly good >>> tradeof, but you land up in a mode pretty close to >> 6Mpixel rather >>> than 12. >>> >>> For example it appears the traditional beyer pattern, >> which is >>> optimised for highest resolution in green, since this >> is human eyes >>> peak sensitivity and peak sunlight wavelength, will >> have higher >>> horizontal resolution than the new exp pattern. This >> actually even >>> adds a little more since the eye/brain aparently also >> subjectively >>> percieves it to be highest reolution if it has >> greatest resolution in >>> the horizontal direction. >>> >>> The new exp patern is quite strange in that the >> highest resolution in >>> green is on the left diagonal , with all other >> directions being >>> lower! This is non-optimal since horizontal is best >> subjectively. The >>> beyer has equal, but reduced by 45% resolution on >> both >>> diagonals,while the vertical and horizontal are the >> the highest and >>> equal. >>> >>> The exr horizontal green resolution, is lower than the >> beyer, at >>> 12Mpix because of diagonal pattern. Because of the >> unsymetrical >>> spacing of exp, it also aliases at even lower >> resolution than you >>> would normally imagine from that raw color pixel >> count. If you >>> photographed a thin curved line object like a hair >> say, it would >>> produce some additional low frequency aliasing because >> sampling was >>> more non-uniform ,at different angles than beyer. >> (think: if a line >>> pair is sampled by two close spaced pixels then they >> get resolved, >>> but the next pair of pixels in exp are now more widely >> spaced, so the >>> next adjacent line pair is not resolved) >>> >>> The wide dynamic range option which is really more >> like 6mpixel, >>> since it selects best exposure from two diagonal >> pixels, then has >>> uniform sampling, at least at a particular brightness >> level. >>> The claim that there is less aliasing from binning >> diagonally left >>> adjacent pixels in exr, rather than more widely >> separated ones >>> (bayer), is complex to analyse and is more orientation >> dependent than >>> beyer. >>> >>> However, because the beyer samples at a higher >> horizontal frequency >>> than the non-uniform exr, then binning two horizontal >> (or vertical) >>> pixels in beyer, still has lower aliasing, since the >> actual sampling >>> was done at a higher resolution (frequency) thus >> having lowest >>> aliasing. >>> >>> The s/n ratio improvement is exactly the same for >> equal area >>> photo-diodes in the two technologies. In this >> comparison for the >>> bayer at 6mpixels, the optimal bining for best >> subjective and actual >>> resolution, would be combining vertical pixels. >>> >>> Tim Hughes >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 5/1/09, usher99@aol.com >> wrote: >>>> From: usher99@aol.com >> Subject: [OM] clever use of >>>> available sensor real estate To: >> olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: >>>> Friday, May 1, 2009, 2:12 PM >>>> >> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf200exr/page2.asp >>>> Moose might be amused that low light performance a >> few generations >>>> later still doesn't really exceed the >> F30/31--the latter are still >>>> expensive. >>>> >>>> Not many Moose sightings of late. >>>> >>>> A Trace Worried Mike -- >>>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >>>> Options: >> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: >> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: >> http://www.tope.nl/ >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: >> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: >> http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 17:01:57 2009 Received: (qmail 1524 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 15:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 15:01:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2212E182EA for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55555E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4769134AC02A for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:01:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B992234AC027 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:01:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26392 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 15:01:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2009 15:01:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4A0054DF.2020006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 11:01:51 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> <4A001534.6090609@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0905050608h4fe6f1fdk568e9d7f1a20f12e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0905050608h4fe6f1fdk568e9d7f1a20f12e@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090504-1, 05/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 17:01:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0054e5237721234514069 Yup, that would be my choice. :-) Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > Not disagreeing with Chuck, but it's a bit like making sure the eyes > are in focus at the expense of the nose. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 17:04:39 2009 Received: (qmail 16723 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 15:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 15:04:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36215E182DB for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB53E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B7319E4D5 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:04:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F9E19E57C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:04:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28998 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 15:04:32 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090504-1, 05/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT: What to do in Chicago Area X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 17:04:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00558713731234514069 I was just a small-town 13 year old at the time but I remember being wowed by the museums. The thing I remember best was a German U-boat and a piston removed from one of its diesels. Gigantic. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Anybody got any favourite recomendations of things to do,places to go see >> there? >> thanks, >> > > > Pizzeria Uno. > > AG (always thinking food) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 17:09:34 2009 Received: (qmail 6811 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 15:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 15:09:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274B7E182B8 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174EDE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DFC34AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:09:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449F934AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:09:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip3.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.86]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090505150926.HKVV24671.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip3.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 11:09:26 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlMCANfw/0lGGKtR/2dsb2JhbAAI0SaEAQU Received: from bas4-toronto46-1176021841.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([70.24.171.81]) by toip3.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 05 May 2009 11:03:50 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 11:09:25 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike Thread-Index: AcnNk3omuN5+fDmGEd6HgwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0905050711i2ea94e69wdc68761448344a11@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 17:09:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0056ae51717927319144 Indeed they are, he concurs, as he digs further through his "ROM field guide to wildflowers of Ontario". Thanks for the update. Far too much of what my parents taught me has evapourated over the decades... Michael On 5/5/09 10:11 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > ... > I think these are Spring Beauties, not violets: > > http://www.galleries.ownvolition.com/index.php?gallery=Nature/Silver%20Creek%2 > 0hike%202009-05-02&image=TBD.jpg > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 17:18:33 2009 Received: (qmail 28586 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 15:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 15:18:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0E2E182FB for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9FBE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A805E34AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:18:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F3334AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:18:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (cygnus@ctgonline.org whitelisted) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16980 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 10:18:20 -0500 Received-SPF: none (no valid SPF record) Received: from pool-96-230-107-229.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.230.107.229) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 5 May 2009 10:18:20 -0500 Message-ID: <4A005945.3070507@ctgonline.org> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 10:20:37 -0500 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <987300.29766.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <40572.15824.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A005580.3070608@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A005580.3070608@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT: What to do in Chicago Area X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 17:18:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0058c9258121585427447 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I was just a small-town 13 year old at the time but I remember being > wowed by the museums. The thing I remember best was a German U-boat and > a piston removed from one of its diesels. Gigantic. > And the cool thing now is that the Pioneer Zephyr and the U-505 are now under the front lawn, protected from the elements. Both have very nice displays built around them -- the 505, especially, since they built an entire exhibit paying tribute to maritime troops and battles. The 505 is now resting in a replica of a concrete bunker -- it's an extremely impressive display. If you're a Harry Potter fan, MSI has an exhibit of props, costumes, and set pieces from now through September. www.msichicago.org is the website. Depends on how mobile you are. The museums, both Field and Science & Industry, are where I grew up. Then there's the Adler Planetarium, the Shedd Aquarium, the Art Institute, Lincoln Park Zoo, the Sears Tower (I'm sorry, but I refuse to call it anything else), Frank Lloyd Wright's Robie House, Millenium Park.... the list goes on and on. I was born in Chicago, and never wandered far from it. If you want to check out an old-school camera shop, www.centralcamera.com downtown has been there since 1899. And then you could just wander and look at the architecture. See the Wrigley Building, the old Water Tower, works by Louis Sullivan and Mies Van der Rohe. I love my hometown. Can you tell? And I don't even care about sports. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 17:24:50 2009 Received: (qmail 5803 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 15:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 15:24:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F609E182EB for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21900E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD0334AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:24:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015FE34AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:24:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so3457242wfc.26 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 08:24:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.80.18 with SMTP id d18mr87120wab.147.1241537080182; Tue, 05 May 2009 08:24:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A005580.3070608@chucknorcutt.com> References: <987300.29766.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <40572.15824.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A005580.3070608@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:24:40 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9e0d56f9620c7d5f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: What to do in Chicago Area X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 17:24:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a005a42174801838542571 Of course, one must also take in a Cubs game. (Rumor has it there is another team in town, but I think that's just a bad rumor). If you are by yourself you can usually snag a seat right behind home plate. :) http://www.image66media.com/img130.jpg But if never experienced, the MUST visit is the Art Institute of Chicago. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 17:43:11 2009 Received: (qmail 26594 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 15:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 15:43:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BC7E182C7 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F7BE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D437E19E6CF for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:43:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5E419E6C5 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:43:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:43:03 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n45Fh0Ig025313 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:43:02 GMT Message-ID: <3AC0B2C3CC1D40ABA47CE3963DDEB568@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> <4A001534.6090609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:43:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 17:43:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a005e8f266541234514069 Chuck, Thanks for looking and for your constructive comments. As you are aware, focusing a manual lens using the E-510 viewfinder is difficult. IIRC, on these shots, I used Live View, but not magnified, because I wanted to see the full image. In each case, I tried to focus on the detailed patterns in the petals, and depended on f/5.6 to get the rest, leaving the background out of focus. While the foreground edges of the petals may not be razor sharp, I felt that the eye goes for the details first, and that is what I placed emphasis on. I feel that aperture selection must be a compromise in these sorts of photos. Stopping down more would assure that the front edges are defined, but that brings the twigs in the background into focus, and I try to avoid that. Again, thanks for your comments. I try to learn something from each image that I post. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:30 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers >I like both the Iris and the Rhody but both strike me as slightly > backfocused, ie; foreground petals not quite as sharp as those further > back. But that may be deliberate on your part. We had some discussion > of this recently. I prefer the foreground elements to always be the > sharpest, others do not. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at my >> house. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass is >> growing like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they decide to >> show up. The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for lighting, I >> decided to capture a few in our yard. >> >> Bearded Iris >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html >> >> White Rhododrendron >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html >> >> Our one and only rose >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html >> >> I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. Comments and >> critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 17:47:25 2009 Received: (qmail 24563 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 15:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 15:47:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EA7E182F7 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2036E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955F234AC026 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:47:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F223734AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:47:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:47:18 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n45FlE12000657 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:47:17 GMT Message-ID: <3A255883B716435CA658AB1F2449539E@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:47:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 17:47:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a005f8d134811529615919 Michael, You did a fine job in capturing and identifying the beautiful, and, for me, seldom seen varieties. Thanks for sharing your hike. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Collins" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:42 AM Subject: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike >I haven't been hiking since November, but Saturday's weather convinced me >to > get back out on the trails. From a 13km "warm-up" hike on the Bruce Trail, > with white trilliums everywhere through the woods: > > > > Just hand-held with the 12-60, pretty much grab shots because these hikes > have something in common with forced marches and you can't hold up the > rest > of the group :-( . > > Michael > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 17:56:16 2009 Received: (qmail 21502 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 15:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 15:56:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863EBE182DB for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B7FE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD1B34AC026 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:56:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87CFF34AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:56:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 08:56:08 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n45Fu4CT026706 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:56:06 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols><4A001534.6090609@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0905050608h4fe6f1fdk568e9d7f1a20f12e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:56:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 17:56:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0061a0103191257536491 Joel, Thanks for the kind words. I tried using a Takumar 1.4 lens for flower shots, and, as you say, things get "mushy" if you use large apertures. The Elmarit-R 2.8/28, used on the E-510, is a compromise. The short FL provides good DOF, and I try to shoot shots like this around f/5.6 to get a reasonably sharp subject and an OOF background. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers > Not disagreeing with Chuck, but it's a bit like making sure the eyes > are in focus at the expense of the nose. Considerations about bokeh > play in too. Big flowers like that, at that magnification, require > about f16 to get all parts in focus, maybe. Background may suffer as > a result. It's all about tradeoffs. > > Frankly, what I hate to see with big flowers is the front tips of the > petals in perfect focus and the rest of the flower all mushy because > the photographer is enjoying the bokeh of his cool lens at f2. > > I think Jim's judgments were pretty much right on. Well done. Can't > believe you've got a rose already. We're just finishing Dutchman's > britiches and getting violets right now. > > Joel W. > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: >> I like both the Iris and the Rhody but both strike me as slightly >> backfocused, ie; foreground petals not quite as sharp as those further >> back. But that may be deliberate on your part. We had some discussion >> of this recently. I prefer the foreground elements to always be the >> sharpest, others do not. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at my >>> house. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass is >>> growing like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they decide >>> to show up. The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for lighting, I >>> decided to capture a few in our yard. >>> >>> Bearded Iris >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html >>> >>> White Rhododrendron >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html >>> >>> Our one and only rose >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html >>> >>> I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. Comments and >>> critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 18:05:55 2009 Received: (qmail 19697 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 16:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 16:05:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEB3E182DD for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96224E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8037219E7C8 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:05:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BE819E7BB for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:05:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip3.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.86]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090505160549.HXHX1552.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip3.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 12:05:49 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlMCAOb+/0lGGKtR/2dsb2JhbAAI0USEAQU Received: from bas4-toronto46-1176021841.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([70.24.171.81]) by toip3.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 05 May 2009 12:00:10 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 12:05:45 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike Thread-Index: AcnNm1jJl1WhfjmOEd6HgwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <3A255883B716435CA658AB1F2449539E@jimnichols> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 18:05:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0063e336071946193717 Thanks to you and others for the kind words. I know I need to pay a bit more attention to DOF, and perhaps underexpose somewhat to knock down highlights especially on the white flowers. More hikes in the weeks to come, to get more experience. Michael On 5/5/09 11:47 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Michael, > > You did a fine job in capturing and identifying the beautiful, and, for me, > seldom seen varieties. Thanks for sharing your hike. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Collins" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:42 AM > Subject: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike > >> I haven't been hiking since November, but Saturday's weather convinced me >> to >> get back out on the trails. From a 13km "warm-up" hike on the Bruce Trail, >> with white trilliums everywhere through the woods: >> >> >> >> Just hand-held with the 12-60, pretty much grab shots because these hikes >> have something in common with forced marches and you can't hold up the >> rest >> of the group :-( . >> >> Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 18:22:07 2009 Received: (qmail 28323 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 16:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 16:22:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D137FE18300 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE929E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900E719E84E for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:22:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D0619E859 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:22:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092202F2A9B0 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:21:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uel8N0hqsS5E for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5202D2F2A9A1 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <858182B2-91AC-4316-9534-7F5B1F741923@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:21:48 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 18:22:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0067af201491023412894 > From: Ken Norton > > Regarding those who "give up" searching and filing, well, then it > becomes an > issue of "household" calculation. If, for example, a household has > too > employable people. One is working, the other not. If the one not > employed > "gives up" searching and filing, is the person out on the street? The > household is "underemployed", yes, "unemployed", no. If a person > chooses to > no longer search and file, then they have effectively removed > themselves > from the employment pool. Sounds like playing with words to me. Is the purpose of employment statistics to let us know something about how well we're doing? If a worker is "discouraged" and is thus no longer counted, are we more well off? The "household" argument seems specious, as well. When a "household" is "underemployed," does the mortgage payment go down? Does the amount of food needed go down? If all the unemployed people were simply encouraged to become "discouraged" and then simply move back in with family, then we wouldn't have ANY unemployment -- only "underemployed households!" Brilliant! "Let them eat cake!" I've been "underemployed" for about fifteen years now, and am thoroughly enjoying it. But I rather suspect the vast majority of those tagged with this moniker do not share my joy. :::: He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. -- Albert Einstein :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 18:35:07 2009 Received: (qmail 22047 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 16:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 16:35:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F77E182B1 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C197FE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680B23618001 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:35:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131FB34AC026 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:35:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090505163500417.RMBG22077@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 16:35:00 +0000 Message-Id: <61E0D391-0106-4295-81AD-9CFE6AD5F5A7@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <200905050311.n453BmjW006768@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:34:59 -0400 References: <200905050311.n453BmjW006768@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: cricket X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 18:35:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a006abb300062046811720 Then I must commend the president on his taste in fiction. In fact, I dare say it's nice to have a president who _reads_ fiction. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 4, 2009, at 11:11 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > Just had an email from Abe Books, according to them it's Obama's > current read. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 18:38:57 2009 Received: (qmail 30320 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 16:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 16:38:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61BDE182EF for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EE6E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8266B19E8B7 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:38:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F0919E8E6 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:38:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090505163850267.YDPW19475@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 16:38:50 +0000 Message-Id: <09A81BC7-8BD9-4C1D-AE80-90102BB389CB@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:38:49 -0400 References: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <9e908c1f0905041805i3664011claff541aaf6b2a822@mail.gmail.com> <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 18:38:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a006ba131857350615338 Busted! Actually, it's the whole cultural difference thing with = very attractive Chinese women in "traditional" garb that warms my = blood. Not that I don't appreciate the fashion shoot. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 4, 2009, at 11:26 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks for Ken, Chuck, Bob, Joel and those watching. Your guys seem = > like the > se=F1oritas shots more :-) > > Ok, here are some special one I made last week, hope you like them ;-) > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/Fashion0905/embry.html -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 18:41:11 2009 Received: (qmail 2392 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 16:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 16:41:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA91E182F7 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E89E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E558F34AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:41:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2847A34AC029 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:41:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090505164104623.HYDJ6143@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 16:41:04 +0000 Message-Id: <9637C952-0453-4715-8DEA-3F20C81FFFE2@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9B82800E-8D14-49EE-AE72-2B8B6E3B6BD6@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:41:04 -0400 References: <9B82800E-8D14-49EE-AE72-2B8B6E3B6BD6@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 17: Just some happy snaps X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 18:41:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a006c27310611023412894 Love the dog regarding it's birthday present. The expression is priceless. "Thanks for the meat, but did you have to set it on fire?" --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 5, 2009, at 1:07 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > The main events of last week were the May Day demo and the cricket > match which I showed in separate galleries. But of course there were > also some happy snaps along the way, a few of which are collected > here: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=233 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 18:43:29 2009 Received: (qmail 29916 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 16:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 16:43:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA912E182CA for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C5CE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C53619E90E for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:43:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03A919E91D for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:43:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.58.52] (52.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.52]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9713DA2BE for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:43:14 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 04:43:11 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A01155F.4227.2437BA@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ARTY pictures was Re: Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 18:43:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a006cb1189603675314703 Ian W wrote > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Message-ID: <49FED2F4.7000907@picturepedia.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I am not sure, here is a picture with its mother (or father), I am sure > someone on the list will know, I thought grebe but the internet thought > otherwise ;-) > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/7009141_k2AJN#527291369_SkatE > > Thanks for looking and commenting. > > IanW In my opinion this is a species of coot. Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 18:50:15 2009 Received: (qmail 18536 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 16:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 16:50:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D82E182B5 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C698E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF4F19E93B for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:50:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4A319E942 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:50:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-090.ctimail.com [61.93.57.90]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 09:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n45Go3OJ015561 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 00:50:03 +0800 Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n45Go2BV029463 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 00:50:03 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02><9e908c1f0905041805i3664011claff541aaf6b2a822@mail.gmail.com><3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> <09A81BC7-8BD9-4C1D-AE80-90102BB389CB@roadrunner.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:49:32 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 18:50:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a006e4764051035110158 Oh! I see :-) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Bob Whitmire" Busted! Actually, it's the whole cultural difference thing with very attractive Chinese women in "traditional" garb that warms my blood. Not that I don't appreciate the fashion shoot. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 4, 2009, at 11:26 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks for Ken, Chuck, Bob, Joel and those watching. Your guys seem > like the > se=F1oritas shots more :-) > > Ok, here are some special one I made last week, hope you like them ;-) > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/Fashion0905/embry.html -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 19:01:59 2009 Received: (qmail 19552 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 17:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 17:01:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191D9E182FA for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F72E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29D119E977 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1991E19E985 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.249]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id l33so3322626rvb.50 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 10:01:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.18.1 with SMTP id v1mr138973wai.157.1241542911627; Tue, 05 May 2009 10:01:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <858182B2-91AC-4316-9534-7F5B1F741923@Bytesmiths.com> References: <858182B2-91AC-4316-9534-7F5B1F741923@Bytesmiths.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:01:51 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b4bb3d3de8981f3f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 19:01:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a007107204281499373980 > > The "household" argument seems specious, as well. When a "household" > is "underemployed," does the mortgage payment go down? Does the amount of > food needed go down? > This may actually happen through downsizing of various things. For example, there are people who got new vehicles every three years. They may have adapted by instead of getting a new vehicle lease, they bought a used vehicle (or possibly bought their shiny 3-year old vehicle as it came off lease). This, of course, hurts the auto industry, but given how the prices of vehicles are so highly inflated as a percentage of income, they somewhat deserve it. Or, in our own case, we stopped eating out as much. By modestly trimming discretionary spending, we've swung our household budget by nearly $500 per month. We could do more and trim another $500 if we had to. I'm not going hungry--as any casual observer can attest. I went through 21 months of unemployment/underemployment myself a few years ago. It was horrid. Two factors really cratered us, though. First one was that we bought a house based on the PROMISE of income which never materialized. The second was my wife's fight with cancer. We're still digging out from that period as well as her second round and the various surgeries between them. Even with good insurance, that's many tens of thousands of dollars. Thank you, Maytag. You know how they say you should have x-number of months worth of income saved? We did. And over 21 months we ate it all up. A year and a half ago we downsized when we moved. By buying and moving into a condo/townhouse we are saving somewhere around $750 per month. Instead of constantly living off of credit cards, we're actually paying them off and have a date for debt-free life on the calendar as well as investing money. We had nearly ten years of dismal finances where our outflow always exceeded our inflow. Unfortunately, local market conditions predated the national market by years and it took forever for us to sell our house. (almost five years on the market all told). Twice, it was close, but we managed to avoid bankruptcy. I've been "underemployed" for about fifteen years now, and am > thoroughly enjoying it. But I rather suspect the vast majority of > those tagged with this moniker do not share my joy. > Only because, unlike you, they haven't adjusted their lifestyle to the income adjustment. The biggest mistake a couple can make is base their mortgage and monthly expenses on TWO incomes. One income should provide 100% of all the living costs and the second income should be for discretionary spending and savings/investments. If one income doesn't do it, then you are living outside of your means and WILL get bit. By no means are we "in the money". Far from it. We scrimp and save as well as work two full-time jobs plus have two businesses on the side. This is what it is taking for us to expunge our debts. If it means not buying new digital cameras, laptops, cars, etc., so be it. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 19:33:26 2009 Received: (qmail 24056 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 17:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 17:33:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C0AE182FB for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E10CE24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1E934AC028 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:33:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7ECB34AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:33:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.251]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id l33so3334657rvb.50 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 10:33:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.153.2 with SMTP id a2mr146873wae.170.1241543394730; Tue, 05 May 2009 10:09:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> References: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <9e908c1f0905041805i3664011claff541aaf6b2a822@mail.gmail.com> <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:09:54 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e484b4cbb9e74d13 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 19:33:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00786693957927319144 > > Ok, here are some special one I made last week, hope you like them ;-) > Whoa. That'll get me a visit from HR. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 19:36:35 2009 Received: (qmail 14878 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 17:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 17:36:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B6BE182CA for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C656E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1368119EA57 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:36:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DE719EA49 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:36:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090505173628662.KAZH6143@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:36:28 +0000 Message-Id: <02BF64B2-670E-40C7-B73F-E2D12B86475C@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:36:28 -0400 References: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <9e908c1f0905041805i3664011claff541aaf6b2a822@mail.gmail.com> <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> <001101c9cd6c$49dc0d90$dd9428b0$@com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 19:36:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00792340571342116753 It warms my heart that some of our list members are _genuinely_ disturbed. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 5, 2009, at 6:46 AM, Marc Lawrence wrote: > 2009/5/5 Wayne Harridge : >> What stickers ? > > Marc: The stickers on their arms > > Wayne: Nope, can't see them > > Marc: They're right there, blue oval, some on their undoubtedly > empty stomachs > > Wayne: Blue, you say? > > Marc: Yeah, with "Embry Form" written on them. See them now? > > Wayne: Are they really small? > > Marc: You can't miss them! They're *that* obvious! > > Wayne: Hmm, sorry, are you sure you're looking at the right pictures? > > Marc: ...[mulls for a bit] > > Marc: You know they're all lady-boys, don't you? > > Wayne: Oh! *Those* stickers! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 19:39:56 2009 Received: (qmail 5251 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 17:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 17:39:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF83E182B7 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C865AE24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC91434AC028 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:39:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681E034AC027 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:39:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090505173950798.GZCI17490@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:39:50 +0000 Message-Id: <9F95B420-F120-4A9E-A629-B935CCD3DB33@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:39:50 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 19:39:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0079ec151611342116753 On May 5, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Michael Collins wrote: > I haven't been hiking since November, but Saturday's weather > convinced me to > get back out on the trails. From a 13km "warm-up" hike on the Bruce > Trail, > with white trilliums everywhere through the woods: > > Dutchman's Breeches does it for me, though it looks more like a gaggle of small birdlets clamoring for food. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 19:47:18 2009 Received: (qmail 567 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 17:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 17:47:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E2BE182DF for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE30E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E18819EAC2 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:47:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B575419EAAC for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:47:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 10:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090505174713096.WQS19475@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:47:13 +0000 Message-Id: <01C2471F-F294-4C4A-A64A-9A574D98D6E4@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <858182B2-91AC-4316-9534-7F5B1F741923@Bytesmiths.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:47:12 -0400 References: <858182B2-91AC-4316-9534-7F5B1F741923@Bytesmiths.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 19:47:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a007ba6283309117217770 Becoming "underemployed" is the best thing that ever happened to me. Well, after picking the right woman to spend my life with, and other mushy family stuff like that. But, among other things, being underemployed gave me just enough space to pick up a camera again, and that has made mucho difference, if you'll pardon the Spanglish. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 5, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > 've been "underemployed" for about fifteen years now, and am > thoroughly enjoying it. But I rather suspect the vast majority of > those tagged with this moniker do not share my joy. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 21:24:56 2009 Received: (qmail 19768 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 19:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 19:24:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E818E182C9 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 12:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E6EE24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 12:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3C334AC029 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 12:24:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E46534AC027 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 12:24:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 12:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so2926165anc.35 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:24:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.213.18 with SMTP id l18mr807332ang.59.1241551488532; Tue, 05 May 2009 12:24:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9F95B420-F120-4A9E-A629-B935CCD3DB33@roadrunner.com> References: <9F95B420-F120-4A9E-A629-B935CCD3DB33@roadrunner.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:24:44 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4e7307965af17d4d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 21:24:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a009288252411342116753 > > Dutchman's Breeches does it for me, though it looks more like a gaggle > of small birdlets clamoring for food. > Dutchman's Breeches have been the only flower that consistently foils me. I've never been able to get what deem to be a successful picture of them. They have this waxy surface and, I think, a substantial reflection in the IR and/or UV range. The best images (and I'm using the term loosely) have been with film, but I've never gotten a good shot with digital. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 21:41:50 2009 Received: (qmail 4272 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 19:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 19:41:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A583E182AE for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 12:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E89E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 12:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612261CD490 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 12:41:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC89B19ED0B for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 22:13:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a009ddf277617350615338 On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Dutchman's Breeches does it for me, though it looks more like a gaggle >> of small birdlets clamoring for food. >> > > Dutchman's Breeches have been the only flower that consistently foils me. > I've never been able to get what deem to be a successful picture of them. > They have this waxy surface and, I think, a substantial reflection in the IR > and/or UV range. > > The best images (and I'm using the term loosely) have been with film, but > I've never gotten a good shot with digital. They are similar as a species to Bleeding Heart, which I also find difficult to capture satisfactorily, but they are also white and easily blown out. Exp comp of -1 EV is a good starting-point. What you will do about the wind comes next. Also, lying flat to the ground is a drag. I always forget my bean bag. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 22:23:19 2009 Received: (qmail 6534 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 20:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 20:23:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855A9E182B7 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D381E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7001734AC02B for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:23:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEEE34AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:23:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19607 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 20:23:10 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 22:23:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00a037273822046811720 I also did a little experiment where I separately sharpened the foreground petal under "mask" and, IMHO, I improved the image somewhat. In PS I created a separate layer and sharpened the entire image until the foreground petal was improved as much as possible. This made the rest of the image looks gaudy so I added a mask and filled the mask with black paint from the paint bucket. I then switched to a brush and white paint and painted over the foreground petal revealing the extra sharpening on only that part of the image. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Chuck, > > Thanks for looking and for your constructive comments. As you are aware, > focusing a manual lens using the E-510 viewfinder is difficult. IIRC, on > these shots, I used Live View, but not magnified, because I wanted to see > the full image. In each case, I tried to focus on the detailed patterns in > the petals, and depended on f/5.6 to get the rest, leaving the background > out of focus. While the foreground edges of the petals may not be razor > sharp, I felt that the eye goes for the details first, and that is what I > placed emphasis on. > > I feel that aperture selection must be a compromise in these sorts of > photos. Stopping down more would assure that the front edges are defined, > but that brings the twigs in the background into focus, and I try to avoid > that. > > Again, thanks for your comments. I try to learn something from each image > that I post. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:30 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers > > >> I like both the Iris and the Rhody but both strike me as slightly >> backfocused, ie; foreground petals not quite as sharp as those further >> back. But that may be deliberate on your part. We had some discussion >> of this recently. I prefer the foreground elements to always be the >> sharpest, others do not. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at my >>> house. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass is >>> growing like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they decide to >>> show up. The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for lighting, I >>> decided to capture a few in our yard. >>> >>> Bearded Iris >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html >>> >>> White Rhododrendron >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html >>> >>> Our one and only rose >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html >>> >>> I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. Comments and >>> critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 22:24:59 2009 Received: (qmail 24566 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 20:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 20:24:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BDBE182E5 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D70EE24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009CA1CD48C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:24:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D68219F4FF for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:24:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so2946561anc.35 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 13:24:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.164.12 with SMTP id m12mr787006ane.131.1241555091258; Tue, 05 May 2009 13:24:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0905051313p5b455ae3w1d0c452deb8af274@mail.gmail.com> References: <9F95B420-F120-4A9E-A629-B935CCD3DB33@roadrunner.com> <9e908c1f0905051313p5b455ae3w1d0c452deb8af274@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:24:51 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 641392dbe56dab2b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 22:24:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00a09b123751946193717 > > They are similar as a species to Bleeding Heart, which I also find > difficult to capture satisfactorily, but they are also white and > easily blown out. Exp comp of -1 EV is a good starting-point. What > you will do about the wind comes next. Also, lying flat to the ground > is a drag. I always forget my bean bag. > At lunchtime today, I loaded up the OM-4T with a roll of Gold 200, mounted the 300/4.5 with a gob of extension tubes and went tulip hunting. Shot an entire roll then dropped it off at the one-hour lab on the way back to the office. I'll pick the processed film up on the way home. Whether or not the film turns out is secondary. They sure looked great in the viewfinder and that was most uplifting to me. As to the wind--always wind... I'm glad I had ISO 200 film. Even so, I took plenty of shots because F8 doesn't give you much shutter speed. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 22:38:38 2009 Received: (qmail 21785 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 20:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 20:38:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AA8E182FB for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B098DE24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5D634AC028 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:38:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6A73618004 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:38:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32302 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 20:38:16 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] In the used gear dept. at B&H X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 22:38:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00a3ce237991946193717 and check out the in-depth review of the Canon EF 1200/5.6. Only $120,000. :-) Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 22:46:19 2009 Received: (qmail 25440 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 20:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 20:46:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3C1E182E4 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00263E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11AF19F526 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:46:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803AC19F524 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:46:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 13:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090505204613747.CSFD2590@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 20:46:13 +0000 Message-Id: <4A1FE0B1-5837-42F4-A1DB-4CEFECB1C4E2@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A00A02B.7070402@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:46:12 -0400 References: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> <4A001534.6090609@chucknorcutt.com> <3AC0B2C3CC1D40ABA47CE3963DDEB568@jimnichols> <4A00A02B.7070402@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 22:46:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00a59b202681499373980 Show off! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 5, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > In PS I created a separate layer and sharpened the entire image until > the foreground petal was improved as much as possible. This made the > rest of the image looks gaudy so I added a mask and filled the mask > with > black paint from the paint bucket. I then switched to a brush and > white > paint and painted over the foreground petal revealing the extra > sharpening on only that part of the image. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 23:01:49 2009 Received: (qmail 9103 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 21:01:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 21:01:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDC6E182E4 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D573AE24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE02719F544 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:01:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92FA19F549 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:01:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.58.135] (135.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.135]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1DD3DA683 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:01:30 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 09:01:30 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A0151EA.29213.110B896@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] (OM) During the last month ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 23:01:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00a93d218701702588592 Hi all, It has been a wonderful autumn here, and I have spent nearly three weeks photographing golden colours of poplars and willows in rocky terrain, as well as late wine grape harvest. Nothing posted anywhere yet though. Returned home only a couple of days ago. Became thoroughly fed up with the misfit of my large hand and the small 510 body; I was always hitting buttons that were in the wrong place by design (exactly where my the ball of my thumb lands), and several nice shots were screwed up as a result. My favourite photo retailer had discounted an E-3 body to USD 1,311, so I hit the BIN button. Delivery was yesterday ... I also discovered (when trying to fix what got screwed up by the landing thumb ball) that there seems to be an inherent difference between the 510 and the E-1 of about one stop. To satisfy an up-coming Obsession, I managed to land a Sekonic L 408 light meter for USD 175, and it seems to do all I need. I discovered that my Weston Master III was no longer delivering :-( First battery-powered electronic exposure meter I have ever owned. About 20 - 30% the cost of the new competition here. Brian Swale. http://www.brianswale.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 23:03:16 2009 Received: (qmail 17011 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 21:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 21:03:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76201E182D4 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0F5E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D308D34AC026 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:03:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B9F34AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:03:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.156]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so3128503ywr.80 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:03:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.41.9 with SMTP id o9mr882967ano.155.1241557390468; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:03:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A00A3B7.2060507@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A00A3B7.2060507@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:03:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0568c6e7572aadee Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] In the used gear dept. at B&H X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 23:03:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00a994139881591313764 Yeah, a fun read. Shame about the lens mount. ;) I recon I'll just have to score a 1000/11. (not! Although, there is a lot of chrome on one) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 23:03:48 2009 Received: (qmail 25049 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 21:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 21:03:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266ACE182CC for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA35E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3AB19F548 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:03:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B567219F545 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22837 invoked by uid 502); 5 May 2009 21:03:16 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-164-166.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.164.166) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2009 21:03:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4A00A98C.2010504@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 14:03:08 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> <4A000AA9.2070109@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A000AA9.2070109@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 23:03:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00a9b427441744846740 Moose wrote: > C.H.Ling wrote: > >> It is a little strange, for ISO800 test the F31fd was using 1/340s F5.6 but the F200EXR was using 1/75s F12! It will sure hurt the details. >> >> > > Hard to fault the testers. The F200 is in the line of fully automatic Fuji F series cameras. so far, only the F11, 30 and 31 have any aperture/speed preferred and manual controls settings. So if they want to take a test shot with their standard setup and lighting, they get what the camera gives them. > My mistake. Some others of the F series have some manual control. However, as dpreview points out, because of the nature of the two-pseudo-aperture-settings design, using simple EV compensation for anything up to +- 2 stops is essentially the same as using the aperture preferred setting. Cameras where "aperture" setting has little or no effect on DOF and the variables for exposure control are ND filter, ISO and shutter speed, move ever farther from the film world. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 23:10:34 2009 Received: (qmail 29482 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 21:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 21:10:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90FDE182F8 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03184E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05A234AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA88D3618001 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26549 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 21:10:25 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 23:10:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00ab4a71241585427447 Just telling how to do it for those that might not know how. On a related note, I actually got to do some eye and face replacement the other day which I haven't done in several years. I was afraid I'd forgotten how. My daughter (author/producer of her kids' school newsletter) took some group portraits of the middle school kids for the art teacher. Needless to say, not all cooperated in keeping their eyes open or in making facial expressions that their parents would approve of. Fortunately, there were enough extra exposures to sweeeten most of the baddies via eye and face replacements. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > Show off! > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > On May 5, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> In PS I created a separate layer and sharpened the entire image until >> the foreground petal was improved as much as possible. This made the >> rest of the image looks gaudy so I added a mask and filled the mask >> with >> black paint from the paint bucket. I then switched to a brush and >> white >> paint and painted over the foreground petal revealing the extra >> sharpening on only that part of the image. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 23:11:16 2009 Received: (qmail 1443 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 21:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 21:11:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A6EE182CA for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D549E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641C619F555 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA8719F54D for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29887 invoked by uid 502); 5 May 2009 21:10:56 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-164-166.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.164.166) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2009 21:10:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4A00AB5D.3080505@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 14:10:53 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> <4A000AA9.2070109@gmail.com> <8A241E39DE324CEABD61313F1183108D@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <8A241E39DE324CEABD61313F1183108D@MAIN> Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 23:11:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00ab74324977350615338 C.H.Ling wrote: > Moose, thanks for the checking and pointing out the trick about F12 is not the actual aperture value just equivalent with ND filter used. And thanks for the complaint in the first place. Without it, I wouldn't have investigated deeper, and would know less about the operation of many digicams. My next question is going to be whether my A650 IS uses an ND filter, as is believe the internally similar G9 does. That could affect my choices of aperture. > I'm not an anti-dp guy, on the contrary it is my mostly used reference site for DC/DSLR test but I didn't check out the details about F200EXR test as I'm not interested on it. > On that point, I wasn't responding specifically to you, which is why I said "A lot of people bash the dpreview reviews" I was speaking to those who have put down dpreview here on the list. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 23:12:39 2009 Received: (qmail 31489 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 21:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 21:12:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97601E182F0 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD4EE24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEBC34AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:12:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B37F34AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:12:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090505211232361.DVZK2590@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:12:32 +0000 Message-Id: <34213166-4B89-4369-83D6-291DBB0170A6@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A0151EA.29213.110B896@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:12:30 -0400 References: <4A0151EA.29213.110B896@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) During the last month ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 23:12:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00abc7226909347015869 On May 5, 2009, at 5:01 PM, Brian Swale wrote: > My favourite photo retailer had discounted an E-3 body to USD 1,311, > so I hit the BIN button. Delivery was yesterday ... Awwright! Another contribution to global economic recovery! May it bring you many pleasing snaps! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 23:13:26 2009 Received: (qmail 21667 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 21:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 21:13:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE8AE182FB for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD50AE24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBA31CD490 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:13:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084DF1CD493 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:13:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so3131808ywr.80 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:13:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.248.4 with SMTP id v4mr1053312anh.57.1241557999122; Tue, 05 May 2009 14:13:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A00AB5D.3080505@gmail.com> References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> <4A000AA9.2070109@gmail.com> <8A241E39DE324CEABD61313F1183108D@MAIN> <4A00AB5D.3080505@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:13:18 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 35bb90765dc07295 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 23:13:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00abf6266031823421471 > > On that point, I wasn't responding specifically to you, which is why I > said "A lot of people bash the dpreview reviews" I was speaking to those > who have put down dpreview here on the list. > Guilty as charged. Break out the rope and gallows. Possibly, instead of F-stops, they need to refer to them as T-stops. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 23:16:43 2009 Received: (qmail 385 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 21:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 21:16:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE74BE182DD for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7953FE24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6955919F549 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:16:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12ECD19F544 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:16:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090505211637531.QDEU17490@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:16:37 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:16:36 -0400 References: <8CB98B8ABFF60F8-12BC-F5F@WEBMAIL-DZ18.sysops.aol.com> <4A000AA9.2070109@gmail.com> <8A241E39DE324CEABD61313F1183108D@MAIN> <4A00AB5D.3080505@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] clever use of available sensor real estate X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 23:16:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00acbb94441591313764 On May 5, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Possibly, instead of F-stops, they need to refer to them as T-stops. That would confuse all Boston photographers. "What's your T-stop?" "Harvard Square." --Bob -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 23:29:15 2009 Received: (qmail 30198 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 21:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 21:29:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A542AE182E4 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECF7E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611851CD490 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:29:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73371CD496 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:29:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6340 invoked by uid 504); 5 May 2009 21:29:05 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2009 21:29:05 -0000 Message-ID: <4A00AF9F.1040200@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 17:29:03 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A0151EA.29213.110B896@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4A0151EA.29213.110B896@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) During the last month ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 23:29:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00afab160711993019900 I like my Sekonic L-358 very much except for the fact that the jog wheel for changing settings seems to turn in the wrong direction. The wheel changes clockwise in the direction of increasing exposure rather than increasing shutter speeds or increasing focal ratios or increasing ISO. Totally non-intuitive. Even though I have owned it for years I *always* turn the dial the wrong way. :-) Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > Hi all, > > It has been a wonderful autumn here, and I have spent nearly three weeks > photographing golden colours of poplars and willows in rocky terrain, as well > as late wine grape harvest. > > Nothing posted anywhere yet though. Returned home only a couple of days > ago. > > Became thoroughly fed up with the misfit of my large hand and the small > 510 body; I was always hitting buttons that were in the wrong place by > design (exactly where my the ball of my thumb lands), and several nice > shots were screwed up as a result. My favourite photo retailer had > discounted an E-3 body to USD 1,311, so I hit the BIN button. Delivery was > yesterday ... > > I also discovered (when trying to fix what got screwed up by the landing > thumb ball) that there seems to be an inherent difference between the 510 > and the E-1 of about one stop. > > To satisfy an up-coming Obsession, I managed to land a Sekonic L 408 light > meter for USD 175, and it seems to do all I need. I discovered that my > Weston Master III was no longer delivering :-( First battery-powered > electronic exposure meter I have ever owned. About 20 - 30% the cost of > the new competition here. > > Brian Swale. > http://www.brianswale.com > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 23:39:29 2009 Received: (qmail 4062 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 21:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 21:39:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C7BE182D9 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68709E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D7834AC026 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:39:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85E034AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:39:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20310 invoked by uid 502); 5 May 2009 21:39:20 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-164-166.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.164.166) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 May 2009 21:39:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4A00B203.1050306@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 14:39:15 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20090504205309.06YTH.423194.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <49FF70B9.4000106@gmail.com> <3426E350-DE22-4DAE-9B70-8461CC03462C@people.net.au> <4A000290.1030903@gmail.com> <48BAB644-52B8-4523-A6A4-75D94E633E35@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <48BAB644-52B8-4523-A6A4-75D94E633E35@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] OM sighting [was cricket] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 23:39:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00b211265551073733319 Andrew Fildes wrote: > I wasn't aware of that - the 'perfect circle' is a good reason. > Lensbabies use the magnetic ones, simple and clever. > Yes, clever. Obviously much quicker to change than the SIMA. I see they have creative aperture accessories. I hadn't kept up with Lenbabies. The new line with three different adjustment designs and four interchangable optics inserts makes a lot of sense. Although I'm still not convinced that pinhole on 35mm can be as nice as on larger film sizes. What I don't "get" is their pricing. More power to them for getting those prices, but they seem to me to be 3-4 times what they "should" be compared to what other relatively simple stuff costs. Simple example - the Muse with double element element lens costs $50 more than a two element lens. $50 for a single piece of coated glass? I guess I should break out the SIMA again and play. I've never used it on digital. The price is right, as I've long since forgotten the princely $13.75, including shipping, that I paid for it. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue May 5 23:49:37 2009 Received: (qmail 1972 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 21:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 21:49:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BE7E182FC for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB26E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A75C34AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:49:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A720134AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:49:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 14:49:31 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n45LnRGM019101 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:49:29 GMT Message-ID: <0B61E5223E5B4F51A6916FA171EF0CD6@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> <4A001534.6090609@chucknorcutt.com><3AC0B2C3CC1D40ABA47CE3963DDEB568@jimnichols> <4A00A02B.7070402@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:50:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue May 5 23:49:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00b47127441744846740 Thanks, Chuck. However, I would consider that to be a painting, not a photograph. The only time that I use Layers is when I use the Distortion Correction Filter to vignette the corners; I then have to "flatten" the layers in order to proceed. I can do most of the corrections to my satisfaction w/o going there. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers >I also did a little experiment where I separately sharpened the > foreground petal under "mask" and, IMHO, I improved the image somewhat. > In PS I created a separate layer and sharpened the entire image until > the foreground petal was improved as much as possible. This made the > rest of the image looks gaudy so I added a mask and filled the mask with > black paint from the paint bucket. I then switched to a brush and white > paint and painted over the foreground petal revealing the extra > sharpening on only that part of the image. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Chuck, >> >> Thanks for looking and for your constructive comments. As you are aware, >> focusing a manual lens using the E-510 viewfinder is difficult. IIRC, on >> these shots, I used Live View, but not magnified, because I wanted to see >> the full image. In each case, I tried to focus on the detailed patterns >> in >> the petals, and depended on f/5.6 to get the rest, leaving the background >> out of focus. While the foreground edges of the petals may not be razor >> sharp, I felt that the eye goes for the details first, and that is what I >> placed emphasis on. >> >> I feel that aperture selection must be a compromise in these sorts of >> photos. Stopping down more would assure that the front edges are >> defined, >> but that brings the twigs in the background into focus, and I try to >> avoid >> that. >> >> Again, thanks for your comments. I try to learn something from each >> image >> that I post. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers >> >> >>> I like both the Iris and the Rhody but both strike me as slightly >>> backfocused, ie; foreground petals not quite as sharp as those further >>> back. But that may be deliberate on your part. We had some discussion >>> of this recently. I prefer the foreground elements to always be the >>> sharpest, others do not. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at my >>>> house. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass is >>>> growing like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they decide >>>> to >>>> show up. The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for lighting, I >>>> decided to capture a few in our yard. >>>> >>>> Bearded Iris >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html >>>> >>>> White Rhododrendron >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html >>>> >>>> Our one and only rose >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html >>>> >>>> I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. Comments and >>>> critiques welcomed. >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols >>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 00:18:16 2009 Received: (qmail 16908 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 22:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 22:18:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F49DE182B4 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFE5E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3435E34AC027 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:18:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311A234AC026 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:18:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15473 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 22:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.175.166) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 May 2009 22:17:58 -0000 In-Reply-To: <0B61E5223E5B4F51A6916FA171EF0CD6@jimnichols> References: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> <4A001534.6090609@chucknorcutt.com><3AC0B2C3CC1D40ABA47CE3963DDEB568@jimnichols> <4A00A02B.7070402@chucknorcutt.com> <0B61E5223E5B4F51A6916FA171EF0CD6@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <6A89FCF5-C4AD-4149-9E40-EA1AFFB7CD79@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:18:04 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 00:18:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00bb28235021702588592 I once went to a Bill Brandt exhibition and looking at one shot of a harbour, realised that the seagull flying across had been painted on with 'Process White' - possibly to reconstruct a blurred element of the composition. After that, I got a bit less precious about 'painting' with PS. :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/05/2009, at 7:50 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Thanks, Chuck. However, I would consider that to be a painting, not a > photograph. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 00:57:36 2009 Received: (qmail 7220 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 22:57:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 22:57:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F518E182FD for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E12E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C3C34AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:57:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA65B34AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:57:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 15:57:27 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n45MvNEN014335 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:57:25 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <70CC2929C9B14344BE828EF5704D4107@jimnichols> <4A001534.6090609@chucknorcutt.com><3AC0B2C3CC1D40ABA47CE3963DDEB568@jimnichols> <4A00A02B.7070402@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:57:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 00:57:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00c460153671993019900 Chuck, It just occurred to me that I might need to point out that, in the LUG Gallery which I use, the image can be maximized by clicking on the two overlapping squares in the center of the top or bottom border. I find that the larger image, which I select when I size the file, gives much sharper detail than the size selected by the gallery software. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers >I also did a little experiment where I separately sharpened the > foreground petal under "mask" and, IMHO, I improved the image somewhat. > In PS I created a separate layer and sharpened the entire image until > the foreground petal was improved as much as possible. This made the > rest of the image looks gaudy so I added a mask and filled the mask with > black paint from the paint bucket. I then switched to a brush and white > paint and painted over the foreground petal revealing the extra > sharpening on only that part of the image. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Chuck, >> >> Thanks for looking and for your constructive comments. As you are aware, >> focusing a manual lens using the E-510 viewfinder is difficult. IIRC, on >> these shots, I used Live View, but not magnified, because I wanted to see >> the full image. In each case, I tried to focus on the detailed patterns >> in >> the petals, and depended on f/5.6 to get the rest, leaving the background >> out of focus. While the foreground edges of the petals may not be razor >> sharp, I felt that the eye goes for the details first, and that is what I >> placed emphasis on. >> >> I feel that aperture selection must be a compromise in these sorts of >> photos. Stopping down more would assure that the front edges are >> defined, >> but that brings the twigs in the background into focus, and I try to >> avoid >> that. >> >> Again, thanks for your comments. I try to learn something from each >> image >> that I post. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers >> >> >>> I like both the Iris and the Rhody but both strike me as slightly >>> backfocused, ie; foreground petals not quite as sharp as those further >>> back. But that may be deliberate on your part. We had some discussion >>> of this recently. I prefer the foreground elements to always be the >>> sharpest, others do not. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at my >>>> house. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass is >>>> growing like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they decide >>>> to >>>> show up. The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for lighting, I >>>> decided to capture a few in our yard. >>>> >>>> Bearded Iris >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html >>>> >>>> White Rhododrendron >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html >>>> >>>> Our one and only rose >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html >>>> >>>> I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. Comments and >>>> critiques welcomed. >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols >>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 01:04:50 2009 Received: (qmail 24026 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 23:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 23:04:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50F9E182CB for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 16:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583E3E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 16:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EEF3618001 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 16:04:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C245734AC02F for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 16:04:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m26.mail.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 16:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-m26.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a00c5a2222; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:02:58 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c0c.5bddfc08 (34897) for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 19:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA016-5c464a00c5ed1c9; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:04:23 -0400 Received: from webmail-md20 (webmail-md20.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.138]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA014-5c464a00c5ed1c9; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:04:13 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:04:13 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42813-STANDARD Received: from 75.147.3.221 by webmail-md20.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.138) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 May 2009 19:04:13 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9BECF0E9C729-7C0-1711@webmail-md20.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] 120 version of Ektar 100 can be ordered X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 01:04:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00c612297241234514069 Should scan very very nicely. Doesn't like to be underexposed-less tolerant than 100 UC. I ordered more of the 135. Perhaps some interested in the newly available 120. Mike http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/ektar/ektarIndex.jhtml http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/607953-USA/Kodak_8314098_120_Ektar_100_Color.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 01:11:01 2009 Received: (qmail 26948 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2009 23:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 May 2009 23:11:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06CCBE182F2 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 16:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0854E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 16:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD993618007 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 16:10:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5EE34AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 16:10:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 16:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a00c777173; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:10:47 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c8a.3ae54371 (37541) for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 19:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB022-5c514a00c76a30b; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:10:43 -0400 Received: from webmail-md20 (webmail-md20.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.138]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA027-5c514a00c76a30b; Tue, 05 May 2009 19:10:34 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:10:34 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42813-STANDARD Received: from 75.147.3.221 by webmail-md20.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.138) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 May 2009 19:10:34 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9BEDD427042B-7C0-175D@webmail-md20.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] oops--5 buck rebate at adorama for 3 rolls of ektar X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 01:11:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00c78536269117217770 http://www.adorama.com/KKEK10036U.html just in case-price per roll not too bad. 100UC seems to have vanished. I bought a bunch a few months ago. 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(VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 02:01:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00d347145982070262475 A painting? Perhaps you aren't familiar with the use of "painting" with respect to a mask? Black or white "paint" on a mask only changes the transparency of the mask to reveal either the current layer or what's underneath. In this case it allowed me to blend the two different photographic layers which differed by the amount of sharpening applied to each. But if you consider that not a photograph, OK by me. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Thanks, Chuck. However, I would consider that to be a painting, not a > photograph. The only time that I use Layers is when I use the Distortion > Correction Filter to vignette the corners; I then have to "flatten" the > layers in order to proceed. I can do most of the corrections to my > satisfaction w/o going there. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers > > >> I also did a little experiment where I separately sharpened the >> foreground petal under "mask" and, IMHO, I improved the image somewhat. >> In PS I created a separate layer and sharpened the entire image until >> the foreground petal was improved as much as possible. This made the >> rest of the image looks gaudy so I added a mask and filled the mask with >> black paint from the paint bucket. I then switched to a brush and white >> paint and painted over the foreground petal revealing the extra >> sharpening on only that part of the image. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> Chuck, >>> >>> Thanks for looking and for your constructive comments. As you are aware, >>> focusing a manual lens using the E-510 viewfinder is difficult. IIRC, on >>> these shots, I used Live View, but not magnified, because I wanted to see >>> the full image. In each case, I tried to focus on the detailed patterns >>> in >>> the petals, and depended on f/5.6 to get the rest, leaving the background >>> out of focus. While the foreground edges of the petals may not be razor >>> sharp, I felt that the eye goes for the details first, and that is what I >>> placed emphasis on. >>> >>> I feel that aperture selection must be a compromise in these sorts of >>> photos. Stopping down more would assure that the front edges are >>> defined, >>> but that brings the twigs in the background into focus, and I try to >>> avoid >>> that. >>> >>> Again, thanks for your comments. I try to learn something from each >>> image >>> that I post. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers >>> >>> >>>> I like both the Iris and the Rhody but both strike me as slightly >>>> backfocused, ie; foreground petals not quite as sharp as those further >>>> back. But that may be deliberate on your part. We had some discussion >>>> of this recently. I prefer the foreground elements to always be the >>>> sharpest, others do not. >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>>> We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at my >>>>> house. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass is >>>>> growing like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they decide >>>>> to >>>>> show up. The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for lighting, I >>>>> decided to capture a few in our yard. >>>>> >>>>> Bearded Iris >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html >>>>> >>>>> White Rhododrendron >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html >>>>> >>>>> Our one and only rose >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html >>>>> >>>>> I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. Comments and >>>>> critiques welcomed. >>>>> >>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 02:07:58 2009 Received: (qmail 16361 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 00:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 00:07:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91AC9E182CB for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D10E24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DD41CD495 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:07:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36DD1CD493 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19218 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2009 00:07:50 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 02:07:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00d4de184241744846740 Ah, yes. That does make a big difference. I think the lower contrast on the under side of the petal makes it look naturally less sharp. However, I still think an extra touch of localized sharpening there makes a difference. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Chuck, > > It just occurred to me that I might need to point out that, in the LUG > Gallery which I use, the image can be maximized by clicking on the two > overlapping squares in the center of the top or bottom border. I find that > the larger image, which I select when I size the file, gives much sharper > detail than the size selected by the gallery software. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers > > >> I also did a little experiment where I separately sharpened the >> foreground petal under "mask" and, IMHO, I improved the image somewhat. >> In PS I created a separate layer and sharpened the entire image until >> the foreground petal was improved as much as possible. This made the >> rest of the image looks gaudy so I added a mask and filled the mask with >> black paint from the paint bucket. I then switched to a brush and white >> paint and painted over the foreground petal revealing the extra >> sharpening on only that part of the image. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> Chuck, >>> >>> Thanks for looking and for your constructive comments. As you are aware, >>> focusing a manual lens using the E-510 viewfinder is difficult. IIRC, on >>> these shots, I used Live View, but not magnified, because I wanted to see >>> the full image. In each case, I tried to focus on the detailed patterns >>> in >>> the petals, and depended on f/5.6 to get the rest, leaving the background >>> out of focus. While the foreground edges of the petals may not be razor >>> sharp, I felt that the eye goes for the details first, and that is what I >>> placed emphasis on. >>> >>> I feel that aperture selection must be a compromise in these sorts of >>> photos. Stopping down more would assure that the front edges are >>> defined, >>> but that brings the twigs in the background into focus, and I try to >>> avoid >>> that. >>> >>> Again, thanks for your comments. I try to learn something from each >>> image >>> that I post. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Spring Rains Bring May Flowers >>> >>> >>>> I like both the Iris and the Rhody but both strike me as slightly >>>> backfocused, ie; foreground petals not quite as sharp as those further >>>> back. But that may be deliberate on your part. We had some discussion >>>> of this recently. I prefer the foreground elements to always be the >>>> sharpest, others do not. >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>>> We have had three days of rain since May 1st, totaling 7 inches at my >>>>> house. Plants are coming to their prime in a hurry (and the grass is >>>>> growing like mad), and the blooms have to be captured when they decide >>>>> to >>>>> show up. The rain stopped, and, with an overcast sky for lighting, I >>>>> decided to capture a few in our yard. >>>>> >>>>> Bearded Iris >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bearded+Iris.tif.html >>>>> >>>>> White Rhododrendron >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhododrendron.tif.html >>>>> >>>>> Our one and only rose >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.tif.html >>>>> >>>>> I know its not Friday, but wanted to show them anyway. Comments and >>>>> critiques welcomed. >>>>> >>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 02:11:23 2009 Received: (qmail 22460 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04EFE182EA for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E00CE24A9C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6C21CD496 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:11:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546C01CD493 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:11:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21263 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2009 00:11:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2009 00:11:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4A00D5A2.4070207@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 20:11:14 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB9BECF0E9C729-7C0-1711@webmail-md20.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB9BECF0E9C729-7C0-1711@webmail-md20.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 120 version of Ektar 100 can be ordered X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 02:11:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00d5ab121251234514069 I was just browsing around the pages there. I guess it's been so long since I shot transparencies I didn't realize that K64 was still being made. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Should scan very very nicely. Doesn't like to be underexposed-less > tolerant than 100 UC. I ordered more of the 135. > Perhaps some interested in the newly available 120. > Mike > > > http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/ektar/ektarIndex.jhtml > > > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/607953-USA/Kodak_8314098_120_Ektar_100_Color.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 04:33:08 2009 Received: (qmail 30973 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 02:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 02:33:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8093E182FD for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 19:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8B3E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 19:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89B234AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 19:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D6534AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 19:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 19:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n462Wvle023882 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:32:58 +1000 Message-Id: <200905060232.n462Wvle023882@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 06 May 2009 12:32:57 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:32:57 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] In the used gear dept. at B&H X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 04:33:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a00f6e377741234514069 > Ken Norton <> wrote: > > Yeah, a fun read. Shame about the lens mount. ;) I recon I'll just > have > to score a 1000/11. (not! Although, there is a lot of chrome on one) > I'm pretty sure KEH have one in stock. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 06:30:25 2009 Received: (qmail 9566 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 04:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 04:30:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86F1E182E4 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDD9E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B5034AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:30:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D719A34AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:30:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so3089937anc.35 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:30:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.133.16 with SMTP id g16mr1901504and.40.1241584216649; Tue, 05 May 2009 21:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:30:16 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 120213b4d752d8e2 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 06:30:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01126127001499373980 http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=431&Itemid=1 AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 06:58:13 2009 Received: (qmail 25261 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 04:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 04:58:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57642E182B3 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82755E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BDA34AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:58:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DD734AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:58:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 21:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12341 invoked by uid 502); 6 May 2009 04:58:04 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-190-89.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.190.89) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2009 04:58:04 -0000 Message-ID: <4A0118D7.8090007@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 21:57:59 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> <779E2162-D6B9-4BA2-8036-134789CFBD03@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <779E2162-D6B9-4BA2-8036-134789CFBD03@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 06:58:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0118e5200671869477228 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Don't confuse hours with productivity - the 8 hour day campaign laid that one to rest in the late eighteen hundreds. > And more recently, the Japanese salarymen who didn't dare leave work early for fear of being thought lazy or uncommitted. > One of my frustrations toiling in the corporate vineyards for decades was the idea of some direct relationship between hours worked and quality/quantity of output. Although I did a number of things over that period, most were "brain work" of some sort or other. For much of that work, the simple truth was that I couldn't do anything productive for more than about maybe 25-30 hours/wk for eny extended period. So the rest of the required at-work time was mostly wasted. Not uncommonly, an effort to work beyond my limits simply wasted time and resources. dumb from tiredness sin't good for brain work. In at least some of this work, I was well ahead of anybody else in the Q&Q of what I got done. A fair amount of it couldn't be evaluated that way, as it was simply unique in the company. It's been over nine years now since I retired, and the reporting application I conceived of and created is still running on the laptops of all upper level management at headquarters and in the operating divisions. In the last few years, I was able to work pretty much my own hours and mostly from home or travel. I think those were my most productive years, when I could work 10-12 hours when I was on a roll and simply ignore work when I wasn't up for it. But oh how many thousands of hours I wasted chatting with co-workers, reading, pretending to be busy, simply hiding out, etc., that could have bee usfully used for other pursuits. Better rested and recreated, I would likely have been more productive when working. This foolishness extended to many aspects of the workplace. When I was first made a manager, a good part of my employees were knowledge workers who spent a lot of time on their own out in the field. My predecessor, who didn't work out, wsa putting the screws to everybody about hours and expenses. I soon discovered that his insistence on low motel costs was causing some of these people to waste hours of our most expensive time looking for a cheap place to stay and commuting from locations far from the actual work. He also had a hard and fast meal cost limitation. Nuts! Inman, who was 6'5", maybe 250# and worked out extensively, was expected to eat on the same budget as Patty, who was maybe 5'4", slim and a light eater. All this foolishness had the expected result, poor morale, resentment of restrictions and resulting (semi) intentional inefficiencies in the field, and so on. I immediately loosened those and other silly rules. The section manager for those folks and I simply looked at expense reports and asked about amounts that seemed out of the ordinary. My field work costs went down. I also put them on flexible hours and evaluated them on the number and quality of studies done. With this particular work, it's hard to evaluate quality objectively. Certainly simple quantity production went up a little. Based on overall statistical analysis, our quality as a whole went up. The whole idea of valuing many kinds of work on hours spent is just ludicrous. I've had ideas in the shower that were worth many, mnay hours of pounding sand. > Can we assume that the American 'minimum wage' workers are motivated and productive, given that it's almost a new version of the old Chinese 'iron rice bowl' technique or what we'd call a 'work for the dole' scheme. > No. Some are, of course. Many aren't. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 07:05:51 2009 Received: (qmail 5320 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 05:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 05:05:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE753E182EE for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78549E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557FB34AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:05:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C150234AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:05:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A77C2F2F5DF for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:05:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UeXQo5vx2OiE for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7D52F2F5C0 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:05:36 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 07:05:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a011aaf230858512572685 > From: Ken Norton > > ... in last month's report, there were almost 141 million people > employed in the US. Are you sure they didn't mean "141 million jobs" which were held by 70 million people? Reminds me of the elderly woman GW Bush talked to on the campaign trail. He asked her if she had a job, and she proudly replied that she had THREE jobs, to which Bush replied, "Isn't that wunnerful! Only in America could someone have three jobs!" Yea, jobs are so plentiful that old ladies can get three of them. Whoopee. They're all part-time, and none of them have benefits or security. :::: The income gap between the rich and the rest of the US population has been growing so fast, that it might eventually threaten the stability of democratic capitalism itself. -- Alan Greenspan :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 07:12:34 2009 Received: (qmail 6583 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 05:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 05:12:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8150E182FA for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7740FE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6294734AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:12:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8B634AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:12:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21196 invoked by uid 502); 6 May 2009 05:12:26 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-186-215.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.186.215) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2009 05:12:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4A011C35.8030202@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 22:12:21 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 07:12:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a011c41301681744846740 Jan Steinman wrote: > Those who have become more efficient and knowledgeable should not have to work so hard to achieve the same result, no? Po*, why not strive for "equal results" and "equal compensation," whereby the master provides direction and correction, and the apprentice provides brawn and grunt work. Yeah, I just posted about that, too. > Then the master can go fishing, and "work" on more important things, like what is the meaning of life, I don't know about goin' fishin'. There still remains much to be done when all the happy workers are beavering away. But it's true, in my observation and experience that the most effective managers are careful not to do the work of their operations, but concentrate on larger things. The really great, very rare ones, see no difference between work and play. They are more likely than not thinking work when fishing, in the shower, whatever. I worked on a project with a fellow doing a stint as the CEO's sidekick, an almost sure route to Division Manager if you don't screw up. He said even sitting in a boat on Lake Tahoe, and obviously relaxed, the Boss was thinking and talking business. I have worked with or for some pretty good managers, as well as some real turkeys, but this guy was the only "real thing" I ever knew. I finally understood how one person could turn a company around. > and why do people work like insane fools until they're continuously tired, so that some day they might have the luxury of being, all of a sudden, complete leeches on the system, when they become re-tired? :-) > > I think retirement requires some serious training, and I'm trying to become a partial leech before having to become a complete one. > Gee, didn't take any training for me. I took to it like a duck to water, as they say. > *Eduard DeBono has proposed the neologism "po," used like "so," to describe a purposely provocative position, meant for opening meaningful dialogue, rather than as a proposal to be implemented as-is. > And "xo" to describe a deliberately provocative position, intended to stir up sh*t? That would be useful here. ;-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 07:23:23 2009 Received: (qmail 15249 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 05:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 05:23:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB08AE182B7 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4882CE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264DE34AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:23:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDDC34AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:23:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDD3461604 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:44:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <8E796BC9-B774-40AD-B064-B13E6427BEE3@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 06:23:13 +0100 References: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <9e908c1f0905041805i3664011claff541aaf6b2a822@mail.gmail.com> <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 07:23:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a011ecb222441591313764 Thanks, CH. But attractive as those models are, the pretty girls on the parade = have a charm all of their own, especially the ones in blue. Chris On 5 May 2009, at 04:26, C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks for Ken, Chuck, Bob, Joel and those watching. Your guys seem = > like the > se=F1oritas shots more :-) > > Ok, here are some special one I made last week, hope you like them ;-) > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/Fashion0905/embry.html > > I was very interested in fashion shooting as it is very challenging = > but did > very little these years. I forgot to bring the flash so some faces = > were not > lighted up very well but it add more 3-D look to other areas ;-). > Fortunately I had brought the 50-250 (together with 85/2 and 75-150) = > as the > stage was quite far way, eventually nearly all shots were taken at = > the 250mm > end. > > Enjoy! > C.H.Ling -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 07:26:30 2009 Received: (qmail 20949 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 05:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 05:26:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D66FE182F8 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E88EE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5011CD48E for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:26:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C356F1CD48C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:26:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3288461604 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:48:08 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5E4DDE2C-C028-4D6A-8D3F-9F7758192412@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 06:26:22 +0100 References: <20090504210523.A0OG1.423370.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <9e908c1f0905041805i3664011claff541aaf6b2a822@mail.gmail.com> <3F13F8EDD1EF40D3894AEB2E5411BE8E@MAIN> <001101c9cd6c$49dc0d90$dd9428b0$@com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Tin Hau Parade & fashion shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 07:26:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a011f86153991993019900 Good one, Marc. I got caught out that way once in Bombay. I was around 17m staying over in Bombay on my way back to school in the UK and there was a stripper in the hotel. I sent my young brother to bed and stayed to watch. I was very, very disappointed to see a hairy chest emerge from the sari of what had been quite a pretty lady ... :-)) Chris On 5 May 2009, at 11:46, Marc Lawrence wrote: > Marc: You know they're all lady-boys, don't you? > > Wayne: Oh! *Those* stickers! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 07:27:58 2009 Received: (qmail 3491 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 05:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 05:27:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD55EE182F7 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7408AE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671A334AC023 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:27:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D1434AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:27:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32363 invoked by uid 502); 6 May 2009 05:27:52 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-186-215.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.186.215) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2009 05:27:52 -0000 Message-ID: <4A011FD2.50306@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 22:27:46 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> <9A603005-4263-42AE-8984-12E1E4C816DE@mailcan.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 07:27:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a011fde63237927319144 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Has it occurred that about 3-5% of the population is unemployed because they are fundamentally unemployable? The mad, the bad and the sad; the challenged in oh so many ways. I would add a very small number of really wise and/or smart people who find a way to meet their modest needs and live lives of simple beauty, at least for themselves, without regular, gainful employment. > I have encountered in a classroom a small proportion who no-one in their right mind would ever employ. Unfortunately, at one point, that included my Principal but that is a quite different story. > Ah yes. I had "The Boss From Hell" for about five years. Such serious personality defects that he had a clear effect of pulling down everyone around him. I have never done so much totally over the top, meaningless busywork. His compensatory skill was an astonishing ability to brown nose. Eventually, he decided, based on some internal madness that I was doing a fairly important budget task wrong for theoretical reasons. And the fool took it away from me, thinking I must suppose that he would do such a great job that it would raise his profile. He left the real world, where experience and knowing the people involved and their strengths and weaknesses, and went into never, never land. He managed to take something I'd been doing on an off for many years, so it took only a few hours of my time, turn it into a big project, and completely bollox it up. With my groundwork laid the first year, he didn't screw up too bad. The next year, Hallelujah, he was off by more than the entire item value, about 200%, as I recall. He'd wasted millions before, but never so out in the open. What a happy day when his boss announced he was being fired by the CEO, over said bosses strenuous objections. Man, John was good at brown nosing! A previous, good boss, had the motto "Non Illegitimati Carborundum" in his office. I lived by that during John's tenure, outplayed, outwitted and outlasted him. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 07:29:09 2009 Received: (qmail 11653 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 05:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 05:29:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2951FE182DC for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6951E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AC51CD48E for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:29:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358241CD48C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:29:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73F72F2F9C9 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:29:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZZRsAn8hnu5i for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECD62F2F9BA for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:29:01 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 07:29:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a012025115978512572685 > From: Ken Norton > > By modestly trimming > discretionary spending, we've swung our household budget by nearly > $500 per > month. We could do more and trim another $500 if we had to... > Instead of > constantly living off of credit cards, we're actually paying them > off and > have a date for debt-free life on the calendar as well as investing > money. Good on you, Ken! I agree, you can take it pretty far. The two of us are living on only 40% more than you cut out of your budget! >> I've been "underemployed" for about fifteen years now, and am >> thoroughly enjoying it. But I rather suspect the vast majority of >> those tagged with this moniker do not share my joy. > > Only because, unlike you, they haven't adjusted their lifestyle to the > income adjustment. I think a lot of people are going to have to learn how to do this real quickly real soon. I'm thinking about teaching a class. It's all part of our Permaculture curriculum, but I think people will begin to want to learn "frugality and thrift" without understanding what Permaculture is. Keep up the good work, Ken. :::: Quite clearly, our task is predominantly metaphysical, for it is how to get all of humanity to educate itself swiftly enough to generate spontaneous behaviors that will avoid extinction. -- R. Buckminster Fuller, _Synergetics_ :::: :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 07:33:07 2009 Received: (qmail 25730 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 05:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 05:33:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819D7E182E2 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CEBE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE7234AC025 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F1F34AC024 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4362 invoked by uid 502); 6 May 2009 05:32:59 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-186-215.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.186.215) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2009 05:32:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4A012105.9080702@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 22:32:53 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> <8187221F2EEA42AC92A5ABA43F7E55B8@hudson> <52BAAF8E-3F08-4B08-B172-428F7E7E4CC4@threeshoes.net> <393745A2E34942A58B64F8D8239D5B74@hudson> In-Reply-To: <393745A2E34942A58B64F8D8239D5B74@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 07:33:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01211385898512572685 John Hudson wrote: > My regular on-line reading comprises the Daily Telegraph, Times, Guardian, Financial Times, New York Times, Globe and Mail and National Post [last two are Canadian], Subscription hard copy material comprises The Economist [for 45 years], The Atlantic [off and on for 25 years], Foreign Affairs, and recently Harpers now and again. > OMG, I could never do that. My brains would be leaking out of my ears within a week. I read the SF Chronicle, skimming based on headlines, and that's becoming a shorter job lately. If you ever find yourself grumpy or depressed, try cutting down on the newsprint intake. No wonder you have trouble finding time to do photography. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 07:39:52 2009 Received: (qmail 2321 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 05:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 05:39:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D957E182EE for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B650BE24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2BF1CD496 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:39:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210561CD48E for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:39:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 22:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10194 invoked by uid 502); 6 May 2009 05:39:44 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-186-215.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) 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(moose@71.139.186.215) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2009 05:43:13 -0000 Message-ID: <4A01236C.7020608@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 22:43:08 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB9BEDD427042B-7C0-175D@webmail-md20.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CB9BEDD427042B-7C0-175D@webmail-md20.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] oops--5 buck rebate at adorama for 3 rolls of ektar X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 07:43:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01237a253241499373980 usher99@aol.com wrote: > http://www.adorama.com/KKEK10036U.html > > just in case-price per roll not too bad. But the shipping kills unless ordered with other stuff. > 100UC seems to have vanished. I bought a bunch a few months ago. > I've got a roll of that. Guess I should find some things to take pictures of with it. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 08:26:11 2009 Received: (qmail 4015 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 06:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 06:26:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C874E182C9 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 23:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AD5E24A99 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 23:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB281CD498 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 23:26:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76201CD496 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 23:26:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 23:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.113]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n466Q2pG001873 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 16:26:02 +1000 Message-Id: <200905060626.n466Q2pG001873@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail08.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 06 May 2009 16:26:02 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:26:02 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 08:26:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a012d8346109347015869 > Moose <> wrote: > > > Gee, didn't take any training for me. I took to it like a duck to water, > I've seen a few people start this training (at the company's expense) while still employed ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 09:24:56 2009 Received: (qmail 21400 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 07:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 07:24:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328A5E182FC for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 00:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B49E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 00:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508EB34AC028 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 00:24:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA6F34AC025 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 00:24:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 00:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12213 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 07:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.158.15) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 May 2009 07:24:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4A0118D7.8090007@gmail.com> References: <6414B13AEF654383BE0975D4069D8854@wiliam> <802AF06F-C42E-443A-A500-14785F33E5EF@frozenlight.eu> <9CF6B0547F394B98B4E82092C757CB80@hudson> <779E2162-D6B9-4BA2-8036-134789CFBD03@people.net.au> <4A0118D7.8090007@gmail.com> Message-Id: <38B9072C-EC12-4D1F-8521-54040B66DA54@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:24:42 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 09:24:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a013b48160181470116606 Yes, what is that. i've considered putting a divers slate and pencil in the shower given the brilliance of the thoughts hat occur in there. Heating of the blood in the scalp supercharges the brain? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/05/2009, at 2:57 PM, Moose wrote: > The whole idea of valuing many kinds of work on hours spent is just > ludicrous. I've had ideas in the shower that were worth many, mnay > hours > of pounding sand. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 09:30:03 2009 Received: (qmail 9344 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 07:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 07:30:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686BCE182EC for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 00:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3137EE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 00:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6BC34AC024 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 00:29:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3945E34AC023 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 00:29:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 00:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13717 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 07:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.158.15) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 May 2009 07:29:47 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4A011FD2.50306@gmail.com> References: <78C124B1-6678-44A6-8088-47FCC750498F@Bytesmiths.com> <9A603005-4263-42AE-8984-12E1E4C816DE@mailcan.com> <4A011FD2.50306@gmail.com> Message-Id: <0AF8A55D-11C4-4CD6-A50E-4A3B22494EE8@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:29:52 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 09:30:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a013c7a65443675314703 There was a quite serious analysis of that scenario done a couple of years ago - of pathological narcissitic personalities in organisations who are loathed by their underlings who can see their incompetence but admired by their overllords who are fooled by the upward flow of bullsh*t. The one I had was so recognised pretty much universally but had a five year unbreakable contract. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/05/2009, at 3:27 PM, Moose wrote: > Ah yes. I had "The Boss From Hell" for about five years. Such serious > personality defects that he had a clear effect of pulling down > everyone > around him. I have never done so much totally over the top, > meaningless > busywork. His compensatory skill was an astonishing ability to > brown nose. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 10:47:20 2009 Received: (qmail 1973 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 08:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 08:47:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1564E182FE for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 01:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80B0E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 01:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E3F19DF7D for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 01:46:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4331019DF54 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 01:46:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (londonjames@mailcan.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 01:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M1clb-0003sg-EO for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 09:46:15 +0100 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M1clb-00023T-1p for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 09:46:15 +0100 Message-Id: <1395C493-7E28-4637-8DBC-5A7983D5555D@mailcan.com> From: James R To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A00AF9F.1040200@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:46:14 +0100 References: <4A0151EA.29213.110B896@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A00AF9F.1040200@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) During the last month ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 10:47:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a014e9882121585427447 I'm glad you say that as I find exactly the same thing. I had put it down to some kind of wrong-headed thought process on my part, as Nikon wheels spin the same way. Fortunately there's the option to reverse the direction on a camera body, but that just makes it even less intuitive when I pick up the meter. James On 5 May 2009, at 22:29, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I like my Sekonic L-358 very much except for the fact that the jog > wheel > for changing settings seems to turn in the wrong direction. The wheel > changes clockwise in the direction of increasing exposure rather than > increasing shutter speeds or increasing focal ratios or increasing > ISO. > Totally non-intuitive. Even though I have owned it for years I > *always* turn the dial the wrong way. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 11:24:37 2009 Received: (qmail 14111 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 09:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 09:24:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101F8E182EE for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 02:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E690E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 02:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CCC19E0AB for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 02:24:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3CB19E08A for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 02:24:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-ew0-f170.google.com (mail-ew0-f170.google.com [209.85.219.170]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 02:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so5402936ewy.14 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 02:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.35.5 with SMTP id i5mr1343058ebi.14.1241601866725; Wed, 06 May 2009 02:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from your2e887a6151 (230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa [81.187.26.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm1130713eyd.32.2009.05.06.02.24.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 May 2009 02:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CB9BECF0E9C729-7C0-1711@webmail-md20.sysops.aol.com> <4A00D5A2.4070207@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A00D5A2.4070207@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:24:21 +0100 Message-ID: <4a015749.0a04d00a.0f49.249c@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnN3zNelfzT2TjQQBWSN50mAauHowATLNmw Content-Language: en-gb Subject: Re: [OM] 120 version of Ektar 100 can be ordered X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 11:24:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a015755247709347015869 Not sure that it *is* being made (in the sense of new master rolls being coated), but it is still being slit and packaged (and processed) - last time I looked there were use-by dates of 9/10 and 10/10 on the shelves locally, batch numbers 1558 and 1559. I have some 2/09 from 1553 in the freezer. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] Sent: 06 May 2009 01:11 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 120 version of Ektar 100 can be ordered I was just browsing around the pages there. I guess it's been so long since I shot transparencies I didn't realize that K64 was still being made. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Should scan very very nicely. Doesn't like to be underexposed-less > tolerant than 100 UC. I ordered more of the 135. > Perhaps some interested in the newly available 120. > Mike > > > http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/ektar/ektarIndex. jhtml > > > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/607953-USA/Kodak_8314098_120_Ektar_100 _Color.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 12:18:59 2009 Received: (qmail 5555 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 10:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 10:18:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B122E182E3 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 03:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B8AE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 03:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E8D34AC025 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 03:18:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C019B34AC024 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 03:18:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 03:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <27501216.4391241605793417.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-222-223.wbs.co.za ([41.208.222.223]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 278 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:29:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:18:36 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 12:18:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a016413316571529615919 Dude, if you're not referring to the bokeh of a Zuiko 90/2.0 Macro, or a Canon EF 50/1.2L or 85/1.2L, it's *not* bokeh... Nothing compares. P.S. Just kidding, the 300/4.5 is wonderful (though I've never done = colour with it, I don't own a film scanner) and your shots are truly beautiful Ken. I = must do some colour with my OM, but 'm only going to be tempted to get a scanner I = can't afford, the services around here are terrible in that regard. I may try traditional Cibachrome prints if I am masochistic, we have = an =FCber colour enlarger... On 06 May 2009, at 6:30 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=3D4= 31&Itemid=3D1 > AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 12:50:31 2009 Received: (qmail 19770 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 10:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 10:50:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5904E182D9 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 03:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D51E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 03:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59CA19E23C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 03:50:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3900219E229 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 03:50:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp01.jazztel.es (smtp01.jazztel.es [62.14.3.170]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 03:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.16.47] (helo=webmail1.jazznet.es) by smtp01.jazztel.es with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M1ehh-0006eO-6W for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:50:21 +0200 Received: from 40.Red-83-43-52.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net (40.Red-83-43-52.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [83.43.52.40]) by webmail.jazznet.es (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:50:21 +0200 Message-ID: <20090506125021.3jx187qd4gswc8oo@webmail.jazznet.es> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:50:21 +0200 From: David Irisarri To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <27501216.4391241605793417.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <27501216.4391241605793417.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Originating-IP: 83.43.52.40 X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: [OM] Buying an E-3 in NY X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 12:50:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a016b7748681591313764 Hi all, I am going to stay in NY next month during one week and I would like to buy an Olympus E-3. I have been having a look to prices and they are terribly high taking into account it is an old camera and probably this year a new E-3X camera will be launched. Maybe there are good places to buy second hand E-3 cameras in mint condition. I would be very pleased if you could tell some places. Warmest regards, David Irisarri ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2007 Jazztel - Jazz Telecom, S.A.U. http://www.jazztel.com Antes de imprimir este e-mail piense bien si es necesario hacerlo. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 13:07:10 2009 Received: (qmail 2307 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 11:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO morbo.mail.tigertech.net) (67.131.251.54) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 11:07:09 -0000 Received: from lists.tigertech.net (lists.tigertech.net [64.62.209.34]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E650A3917 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F4BE182E9 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2DBE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8742D19E263 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:01:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF3C19E28F for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:01:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11143 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2009 11:01:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 13:07:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a016f5e209071823421471 Very pretty. Thanks for sharing. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=431&Itemid=1 > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 13:48:33 2009 Received: (qmail 19463 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 11:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 11:48:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64646E182FC for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E13E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA76319E3C5 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:48:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CFD19E3C1 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (londonjames@mailcan.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M1fbr-0008SF-Fr for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:48:23 +0100 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M1fbq-0001hh-R1 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:48:22 +0100 Message-Id: <9F90BD82-6266-4DEF-9FFC-6C2B24A48419@mailcan.com> From: James R To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A016E1E.2040705@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:48:22 +0100 References: <4A016E1E.2040705@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 13:48:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a017911176265368819438 Would you happen to have taken any shots with a digicam for comparison? It would be interesting to see what happens to the colours. Great shots, btw. James Ken Norton wrote: > http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=431&Itemid=1 > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 14:18:09 2009 Received: (qmail 17839 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 12:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 12:18:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B920BE182C8 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 05:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C2FE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 05:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4423C34AC027 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 05:18:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E524434AC02A for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 05:18:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 05:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.68.141.38]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ800AOG25L2ERA@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 07:17:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A017FEA.6090508@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 08:17:46 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A01155F.4227.2437BA@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-reply-to: <4A01155F.4227.2437BA@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] ARTY pictures was Re: Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 14:18:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a018001237937350615338 Those babies are cute as vultures. ;-) ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Brian Swale wrote: > Ian W wrote > >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Message-ID: <49FED2F4.7000907@picturepedia.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> I am not sure, here is a picture with its mother (or father), I am sure >> someone on the list will know, I thought grebe but the internet thought >> otherwise ;-) >> >> http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/7009141_k2AJN#527291369_SkatE >> >> Thanks for looking and commenting. >> >> IanW > > In my opinion this is a species of coot. > > Brian Swale > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 14:27:49 2009 Received: (qmail 27264 invoked by uid 0); 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Wed, 6 May 2009 05:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n46CRced013786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:27:39 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:27:23 +1000 Message-ID: <001b01c9ce46$02f91280$08eb3780$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnOA2AkUbrQvUCXQESfDKwvR94YXQAQmuCQ Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 14:27:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01824550351823421471 Excellent shots Ken. I don't know how accurate the colour is but it really looks impressive here. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Norton [] > Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2009 2:30 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh > > http://zone- > 10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=431&Itemid=1 > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 14:42:03 2009 Received: (qmail 26635 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 12:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 12:42:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B47E182E0 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 05:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F250E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 05:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F212A19E590 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 05:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C741C19E133 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 05:41:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Bypassed (policy server error) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 05:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.68.141.38]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ800HTI39K38JE@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 07:41:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A018589.80300@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 08:41:45 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 14:42:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01859b131151073733319 An old friend works for JC Penney in Texas Corporate offices. He goes in Monday through Saturday and half of Sunday. Sunday because he says "when I get there the parking lot is half full" and his fear was his boss would think he was lazy for not being there on Sunday. Really sad..... ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: Ken Norton >> >> ... in last month's report, there were almost 141 million people >> employed in the US. > > Are you sure they didn't mean "141 million jobs" which were held by 70 > million people? > > Reminds me of the elderly woman GW Bush talked to on the campaign > trail. He asked her if she had a job, and she proudly replied that she > had THREE jobs, to which Bush replied, "Isn't that wunnerful! Only in > America could someone have three jobs!" > > Yea, jobs are so plentiful that old ladies can get three of them. > Whoopee. They're all part-time, and none of them have benefits or > security. > > > :::: The income gap between the rich and the rest of the US population > has been growing so fast, that it might eventually threaten the > stability of democratic capitalism itself. -- Alan Greenspan :::: > :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 15:16:57 2009 Received: (qmail 14852 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 13:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 13:16:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638CBE182EE for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48BCE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97FB34AC025 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:16:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721AB34AC023 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:16:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:29180 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M1gzS-0005NQ-RX for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 08:16:51 -0500 Message-ID: <4A018DBD.4080301@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 15:16:45 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A018589.80300@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4A018589.80300@verizon.net> X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org Subject: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 15:16:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a018dc995262046811720 Help, my wife has just phoned to say we have rat which she has shut into the washing room in the cellar, question is how do I trap it, unfortunately I am fresh out of pythons, and I am sure it can move quicker than me, its in with the oil tanks so explosives are out, I guess we could borrow a neighbours cat but they look a bit too soft to take on a rat, any experienced rat catchers on the list? seriously I would like some ideas if anyone has any! thanks IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 15:29:53 2009 Received: (qmail 12766 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 13:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 13:29:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E53E182F4 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D62AE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5687019E6E2 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:29:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC4719E6DF for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:29:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.65]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 86527 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2009 13:29:44 -0000 Message-ID: <296895.82746.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: HIqXMQ8VM1njy33rBEdxHvY_HSWtwZbPvAnX.Y2eI0wSKfYjLXTYFbTPaXZ9z5CYOsneG0pqqkoL0oCoq.R8QrAcw8bohM5G5AQajcT5tt2DnE_rleLgxGJqxyhbVu74Vw_XgIs6KllBzPnLz.YvuGbXF4KBzdzc.vhF7YW8CBpXJ8ld5NacGK3zlJsH2NIemDQpuawOVpAwkPwLv4f.7AXNXJJI5QITZndO9SqWLJ3F1LFafrCmKabCj4KB4RIIqN.kp9lPrtNPCkRAgo8Vmb_1r0W47iLKSr_aAZqW8K5L8bqzB3j5oZFXlPDCNcqllCYeuWo5Udj4yxxqNixoAeDs8O6wEFhnqzVaGCBX7R3VYavGgA-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 06:29:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 06:29:44 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 15:29:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0190d1218462046811720 D-con bait? I just went through mice issues about a month ago. D-con bait s= eemed to do the trick. We found them in the basement a few days later. = --- On Wed, 5/6/09, SwissPace wrote: From: SwissPace Subject: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 9:16 AM Help, my wife has just phoned to say we have rat which she has shut into the = washing room in the cellar, question is how do I trap it, unfortunately = I am fresh out of pythons, and I am sure it can move quicker than me, = its in with the oil tanks so explosives are out, I guess we could borrow = a neighbours cat but they look a bit too=A0 soft to take on a rat, any = experienced rat catchers on the list? = seriously I would like some ideas if anyone has any! thanks IanW -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 15:37:45 2009 Received: (qmail 13864 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 13:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 13:37:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D258BE182D4 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E57E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD43034AC029 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:37:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FEF34AC023 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:37:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 5 mons 21 days 18:01:51 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-41-64.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.41.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n46DbNQs013472 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:37:24 -0300 Message-ID: <4A01929A.5090906@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 10:37:30 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <27501216.4391241605793417.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <27501216.4391241605793417.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 15:37:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0192a857477927319144 What !? - are you still able to print Cibachrome? It disappeared from my country more than 10 years ago, from high-quality = commercial labs ... that was the main reason for me to buy the 4000ED = (second hand ... ), and to start learning photoshop. Good thing was that = Cibachromes were large and expensive, but I can print on Fuji Crystal = Archive paper at any size and up to 0.6*0.4 meters, or still up to = 0.9*0.6 on an Epson printer at an specialized store. Nothing compares to = KM printed on Cibachrome, IMHO. Fernando. Dawid Loubser wrote: > I may try traditional Cibachrome prints if I am masochistic, we have = > an =FCber > colour enlarger... > > > > On 06 May 2009, at 6:30 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > = >> http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=3D= 431&Itemid=3D1 >> AG >> = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 15:39:53 2009 Received: (qmail 17797 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 13:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 13:39:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CC0E182F2 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DE3E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF00034AC029 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:39:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA59F34AC025 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:39:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so185303gxk.14 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 06:39:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.231.15 with SMTP id d15mr1361701anh.77.1241617186071; Wed, 06 May 2009 06:39:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <27501216.4391241605793417.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <27501216.4391241605793417.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:39:46 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 104d798ae00aa451 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 15:39:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a019329290101470116606 > > Dude, if you're not referring to the bokeh of a Zuiko 90/2.0 Macro, or a > Canon EF 50/1.2L or 85/1.2L, it's *not* bokeh... Nothing compares. > I've not been so blessed with any of those lenses. But, it is true the 90/2 has that magical quality. In fact, the bokeh and DoF is probably reasonably close. Most of those 300/4.5 shots were taken at F8 whereas, the 90/2 would have been a bit wider-open. Maybe. The wind was blowing them around, and the reason why I was using F8 had less to do with DoF (although, I'm pleased with the results) and more to do with fudge-factor. > P.S. Just kidding, the 300/4.5 is wonderful For some odd reason, the 300/4.5 produces images that make you think it's an F2.8 lens. I've personally never encountered another lens like it. Not bad for a cast-off, eh? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 15:47:41 2009 Received: (qmail 17843 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 13:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 13:47:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC288E182EC for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DA6E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E72A19E751 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:47:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D40919E74B for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:47:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:34288 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M1hTC-0006gc-FW for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 08:47:34 -0500 Message-ID: <4A0194F0.2020906@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 15:47:28 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <296895.82746.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <296895.82746.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 15:47:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0194fd144041591313764 I am not sure if I can find that here, I just did a google for it in switzerland and got no proper replies, but thanks for the suggestion, it seesm its either poison, but then you have to find the body when it starts smelling or a snap trap or humane cage type, I will see what our local farm store has Thanks AS wrote: > D-con bait? I just went through mice issues about a month ago. D-con bait seemed to do the trick. We found them in the basement a few days later. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 15:52:10 2009 Received: (qmail 7322 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 13:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 13:52:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA35E182E3 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0297EE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C242B34AC024 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:52:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1C53610004 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:52:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-028.ctimail.com [61.93.57.28]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n46Dpvbn016983 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 21:51:57 +0800 Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n46DpuiB001948 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 21:51:56 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:51:46 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 15:52:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01960a300174673671140 Ken, the color is VERY impressive. Yes, the bokeh is great, I have the impression that simple design lenses have better bokeh. For instant, the bokeh of 135/4.5 is much better than 90/2 for close up shots, for longer distance or higher mag. the 90/2 was ok. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=431&Itemid=1 > AG > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 16:00:28 2009 Received: (qmail 3818 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 14:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 14:00:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19059E182FD for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90286E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA3A34AC027 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:00:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF2034AC024 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:00:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so210579gxk.14 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 07:00:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.58.19 with SMTP id g19mr2653494ana.150.1241618418938; Wed, 06 May 2009 07:00:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001b01c9ce46$02f91280$08eb3780$@com.au> References: <001b01c9ce46$02f91280$08eb3780$@com.au> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:00:18 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8461d8959bccba4a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 16:00:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0197fc58121585427447 > > Excellent shots Ken. > Thank you! > I don't know how accurate the colour is but it really looks impressive > here. > I'm not sure how to answer this question. (but I'll try). On my monitor, it's accurate to how I remember the scene. Fresh tulips are almost always "out of gamut" saturated when backlit by the sun. During the scanning process, I yanked the controls around a little bit, but mostly to remove the cast scanned Kodak print films have. Saturation is tweaked maybe only 10% more than normal, but this is because most films tend to compress and desaturate when out-of-gamut is being reached. As a result, you'll lose some of the "glow" in the flowers if you don't correct that during the scan process. (and scan correction is perfectly legitimate as this is, in essence, applying a profile to the film which the auto-sense functionality of the scanner software is not able to determine). The greens are absolutely as close to accurate as they come. In comparison, a digital shot will not have the same type of greens as they will darken or pick up a blue cast. If you try correcting for the greens, the rest of the image goes to pot. The purples are a little supressed. To the human eye, they also had a brilliant glow to them, (like the yellow and red flowers), but Kodak Gold 200 doesn't have the same extended UV/IR sensitivity as I'd like. Looking at them here, I'd say that the brightness of the purple flowers is supressed by at least 1/2 stop. I'm going out on a limb here and blaming the UV/IR response curves because under an overcast sky the purple tulips will almost turn blue to the human eye. (as I don't use UV filters, I can't say if they supress values or not). However, that said, Gold 200 held in there remarkably well and produced a nicely balanced image that needed no warming, curves or saturation adjustment in post. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 16:19:21 2009 Received: (qmail 5974 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 14:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 14:19:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B57E182E9 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0ED3E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754F419E881 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:19:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD15819E7B9 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:19:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imo-m22.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a019c4b1fd; Wed, 06 May 2009 10:18:51 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.d2f.4165b04e (41811) for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:18:48 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:18:48 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.137 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 16:19:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a019c69320671869477228 I had them in the garage at my previous home. If there is one, there are more. Traps work great, however that can be a slow process. If he is in a room in the basement, he can get out. They require a very small opening. I used a bait called "Black Cat" if I recall correctly. It made about two dozen of them assume room temperature. Bill Barber In a message dated 5/6/2009 8:17:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ian@picturepedia.org writes: Help, my wife has just phoned to say we have rat which she has shut into the washing room in the cellar, question is how do I trap it, unfortunately I am fresh out of pythons, and I am sure it can move quicker than me, its in with the oil tanks so explosives are out, I guess we could borrow a neighbours cat but they look a bit too soft to take on a rat, any experienced rat catchers on the list? seriously I would like some ideas if anyone has any! thanks IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 16:28:31 2009 Received: (qmail 3389 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 14:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 14:28:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0221BE182F9 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AFBE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C079034AC028 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:28:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B32A34AC025 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:28:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (londonjames@mailcan.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M1i6f-0001vK-2K for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 15:28:21 +0100 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M1hqt-00079g-Ly for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 15:12:03 +0100 Message-Id: <98C5D9C1-E8DF-424E-8C5A-3ED77297FD5E@mailcan.com> From: James R To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A0194F0.2020906@picturepedia.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:12:03 +0100 References: <296895.82746.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A0194F0.2020906@picturepedia.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 16:28:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a019e8f222402336821329 Is it possible to leave the route back to the outside world open, but cut off access to places you don't want it to go? That way it could return from whence it came. I ripped out a bathroom and sealed the lavatory waste pipe with a thick plastic bag. A week or so later there was a smell of drains caused by a hole gnawed through the bag. There was no sign of the visitor from below and a hard plastic cover stopped further expeditions. My guess is that at this point it just wants to get home. James On 6 May 2009, at 14:47, SwissPace wrote: > I am not sure if I can find that here, I just did a google for it in > switzerland and got no proper replies, but thanks for the > suggestion, it > seesm its either poison, but then you have to find the body when it > starts smelling or a snap trap or humane cage type, I will see what > our > local farm store has > > Thanks > > AS wrote: >> D-con bait? I just went through mice issues about a month ago. D- >> con bait seemed to do the trick. We found them in the basement a >> few days later. >> >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 16:29:03 2009 Received: (qmail 4056 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 14:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 14:29:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F747E182F0 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF99E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1125B3610002 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:28:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BA634AC024 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:28:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f164.google.com (mail-fx0-f164.google.com [209.85.220.164]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 07:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so142324fxm.14 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 07:28:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.11.5 with SMTP id o5mr916070mui.75.1241620128351; Wed, 06 May 2009 07:28:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A018DBD.4080301@picturepedia.org> References: <4A018589.80300@verizon.net> <4A018DBD.4080301@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:28:48 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 593ff753b66ed7a9 Message-ID: <9f07ac840905060728s547c5dc9y4d91910232448fd2@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 16:29:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a019eaf296411529615919 Walt had a product that worked - I believe the trade name was Glock :-) On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM, SwissPace wrote: > Help, > > my wife has just phoned to say we have rat which she has shut into the > washing room in the cellar, question is how do I trap it, unfortunately > I am fresh out of pythons, and I am sure it can move quicker than me, > its in with the oil tanks so explosives are out, I guess we could borrow > a neighbours cat but they look a bit too soft to take on a rat, any > experienced rat catchers on the list? > > seriously I would like some ideas if anyone has any! > > thanks IanW > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 17:09:50 2009 Received: (qmail 21097 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 15:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 15:09:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F333E182DD for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE4BE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0DC19EA75 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:09:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4E219EA8C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:09:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3045 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2009 15:09:43 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2009 15:09:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4A01A837.5020902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:09:43 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A018589.80300@verizon.net> <4A018DBD.4080301@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: <4A018DBD.4080301@picturepedia.org> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 17:09:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01a83e273271234514069 If he's truly locked in with no way out he'll be getting hungry very soon. A mechanical trap with bait should work well... and quickly, without the pain of poison. Just open the door wide enough to slip it in. Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > Help, > > my wife has just phoned to say we have rat which she has shut into the > washing room in the cellar, question is how do I trap it, unfortunately > I am fresh out of pythons, and I am sure it can move quicker than me, > its in with the oil tanks so explosives are out, I guess we could borrow > a neighbours cat but they look a bit too soft to take on a rat, any > experienced rat catchers on the list? > > seriously I would like some ideas if anyone has any! > > thanks IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 17:26:34 2009 Received: (qmail 2797 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 15:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 15:26:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B58E182C9 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388CDE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E680361000B for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:26:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F85F34AC02D for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:26:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f158.google.com (mail-bw0-f158.google.com [209.85.218.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so187696bwz.14 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 08:26:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.223.2 with SMTP id a2mr964916mur.4.1241623581696; Wed, 06 May 2009 08:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:26:21 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 76e073e381046b30 Message-ID: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 17:26:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01ac2a101134673671140 Hi - and thanks in advance for your help... We're taking a trip to Canada in mid-June - arriving by plane in Montreal to stay with a friend over the weekend, then working our way to other friends in Niagara-on-the-Lake towards the end of the week, returning to Montreal to fly back home on the following Monday. So we have a few days (approx Mon-Thurs) to wend our way towards Toronto. I guess we'll have a rental car the whole time (unless you tell us a train ride is worth doing?) and we need some recommendations for 'must see' things in the area. Montreal and Niagara local attractions will be guided by our friends. So I'm looking for other places 'worth the detour' for architecture, landscape (and shopping for SWMBO) ? TIA Jez -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 17:36:43 2009 Received: (qmail 22901 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 15:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 15:36:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CACE182E5 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12448E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0686E34AC028 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:36:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C330B34AC026 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:36:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 08:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-222-223.wbs.co.za ([41.208.222.223]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 127 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:47:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:36:22 +0200 References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 17:36:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01ae8b44471234514069 The 90/2.0 was "OK"? "OK" ?!?!?!?! The 90/2.0 is magical... mystical... =FCbersmoothicalicious bokeh... Really, I have come to agree with Moose that it's really not the world's best lens at Macro magnifications, it is clearly optimised for near-macro. But in terms of smoothness, with near perfect bokeh (I have never managed to coax hard-edged out-of-focus highlights out of mine, always smooth gaussian-blurred circles) I find the bokeh of this lens impeccable. I have a back-log of about 200 photos with this lens to print in the = darkroom, but with each one I get a better idea of its character. Complex = optical design or not, it's bokeh is wonderful. As mentioned in my previous mail, not an EF 85/1.2L, no, but closer = than anything else I've seen. :-) On 06 May 2009, at 3:51 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > the 90/2 was ok. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 18:00:44 2009 Received: (qmail 17529 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 16:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 16:00:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A58E182E0 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A0EE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E5234AC023 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:00:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9962F34AC027 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:00:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbeckrich@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.148]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so135916qwc.26 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 09:00:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.73.134 with SMTP id q6mr791064qcj.76.1241625634993; Wed, 06 May 2009 09:00:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A01A837.5020902@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A018589.80300@verizon.net> <4A018DBD.4080301@picturepedia.org> <4A01A837.5020902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:00:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: Rick Beckrich To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 18:00:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01b42c75061470116606 Purchase one of the glue pads - place it against a wall. This a very sticky substance in a small plastic tray (3" X 5" +/-) which will imobilize the critter as soon as he steps on it. Then just pick & pitch. On 5/6/09, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > If he's truly locked in with no way out he'll be getting hungry very > soon. A mechanical trap with bait should work well... and quickly, > without the pain of poison. Just open the door wide enough to slip it in. > > Chuck Norcutt > > SwissPace wrote: > > Help, > > > > my wife has just phoned to say we have rat which she has shut into the > > washing room in the cellar, question is how do I trap it, unfortunately > > I am fresh out of pythons, and I am sure it can move quicker than me, > > its in with the oil tanks so explosives are out, I guess we could borrow > > a neighbours cat but they look a bit too soft to take on a rat, any > > experienced rat catchers on the list? > > > > seriously I would like some ideas if anyone has any! > > > > thanks IanW > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 18:11:58 2009 Received: (qmail 28614 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 16:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 16:11:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3D4E182EA for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A229AE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD1019ED6E for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:11:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0C519ED63 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:11:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-248.ctimail.com [61.93.57.248]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n46GBihE000543 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 00:11:44 +0800 Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n46GBiC9008074 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 00:11:44 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:10:33 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 18:11:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01b6ce94651342116753 Sorry to break yours and many people's dream, I found the bokeh problem of = 90/2 for quite some time but was too lazy to do a more systematic test with = the FF sensor. Anyway here are two shots I took with the 90/2 (most likely = at F2.8 or F4), you will see what I mean: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2164.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2166.JPG Due to the problem I didn't post any of the 90/2 shot in my 09 flower show = gallery: http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/FS2009/FS2009.htm Fortunately, most of the shots I took in the show were with the 135/4.5 thi= s = year. May be other than this specific focusing distance the bokeh of 90/2 i= s = good, I remember it do very well for people portrait. The 90/2 seems works better with the 4/3 sensor as I remember. A good news about the 90/2 as I have mentioned before, it has excellent edg= e = to edge performance even wide open. Although it is very slight less in = resolution than the 100/2 at the center but it beat the 100/2 for edges = performance hands down. Same case happen to 50/2 vs 50/1.4. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Dawid Loubser" The 90/2.0 was "OK"? "OK" ?!?!?!?! The 90/2.0 is magical... mystical... =FCbersmoothicalicious bokeh... Really, I have come to agree with Moose that it's really not the world's best lens at Macro magnifications, it is clearly optimised for near-macro. But in terms of smoothness, with near perfect bokeh (I have never managed to coax hard-edged out-of-focus highlights out of mine, always smooth gaussian-blurred circles) I find the bokeh of this lens impeccable. I have a back-log of about 200 photos with this lens to print in the darkroom, but with each one I get a better idea of its character. Complex optical design or not, it's bokeh is wonderful. As mentioned in my previous mail, not an EF 85/1.2L, no, but closer than anything else I've seen. :-) On 06 May 2009, at 3:51 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > the 90/2 was ok. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 18:23:32 2009 Received: (qmail 18113 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 16:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 16:23:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4049FE182E7 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749C2E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB9219ED8F for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:23:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB98C19ED83 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:23:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip5.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.88]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090506162322.DYQ1552.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip5.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:23:22 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjICACtQAUpGGKtR/2dsb2JhbAAI0T+EAQU Received: from bas4-toronto46-1176021841.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([70.24.171.81]) by toip5.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 06 May 2009 12:30:18 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:23:20 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Trip to Canada in June Thread-Index: AcnOZvgHNrsgdDpaEd6HgwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 18:23:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01b984307511234514069 On 5/6/09 11:26 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > Hi - and thanks in advance for your help... > We're taking a trip to Canada in mid-June - arriving by plane in Montreal to > stay with a friend over the weekend, then working our way to other friends > in Niagara-on-the-Lake towards the end of the week, returning to Montreal to > fly back home on the following Monday. > > So we have a few days (approx Mon-Thurs) to wend our way towards Toronto. I > guess we'll have a rental car the whole time (unless you tell us a train > ride is worth doing?) Nothing much to see from that train ride, so skip it. But then the highway (401) view is pretty unimpressive, too. > and we need some recommendations for 'must see' things > in the area. Montreal and Niagara local attractions will be guided by our > friends. So I'm looking for other places 'worth the detour' for > architecture, landscape (and shopping for SWMBO) ? It's pretty flat country, so other than rivers there's not a whole lot of landscape to recommend. You should consider first detouring via Ottawa - it's only about 2 hours from Montreal, and getting back onto the path to Toronto is straightforward. I don't know what to recommend in the area, but there's quite a variety of "Canadian Museum of ..." institutions. Perhaps tOM Trottier will jump in here. On the drive towards Toronto you'll pass Upper Canada Village in Morrisburg, a re-creation of a small 19th century village, largely from buildings moved before the flooding that created that part of the St. Lawrence Seaway. If you have an interest in history, it would be worthwhile. At Gananoque you'll want to detour off the main highway onto the Thousand Islands Parkway, a slower but much more scenic drive beside the river for about 45 km. Plenty of places for a picnic stop. You can detour via the "Loyalist Parkway" from Kingston to Trenton if anything there catches your interest. It's picturesque country anyway, so probably worth taking the extra time. Can't remember if you're interested in military aviation history, but you'll pass by the National Air Force Museum in Trenton. If you're spending any time in Toronto, there's more than enough to do and plenty of shopping opportunities for SWMBO. I'd spend the time: strolling on the Toronto Islands; visiting the Distillery Historic District; at Luminato (the "Toronto Festival of Arts and Creativity" ) June 5-14 if that's when you're here; and at the Art Gallery of Ontario and/or the Royal Ontario Museum. Plus the usual variety of live music and other big-city stuff. TORONTO to NIAGARA-ON-THE-LAKE (1-1/2 to 2 hour drive) More military aviation history: the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum is in the Hamilton area. Closer to Niagara-on-the-Lake [NotL for short] you'll pass through the Niagara winery area, so check with your NotL friends to decide what to visit - they may choose to meet you on the way. I'd suggest the small Southbrook winery only because good friends of mine own it :-) . BACK TO MONTREAL >From NotL, you could consider going through Upper New York State for part of the way (visa arrangements permitting), then back up to Ontario at Kingston for the rest of the trip. I'm sure our resident NY Staters will have good advice - you'd be travelling through the Finger Lakes region, which is said to be quite scenic. That's what comes to mind right now; I'll pass on any other ideas that pop up. Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 18:33:32 2009 Received: (qmail 30206 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 16:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 16:33:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DD4E1817A for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A233E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5403034AC027 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:33:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CAE34AC028 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:33:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sctroy@erols.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 May 2009 12:33:24 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.4-GA) with ESMTP id KVM12593; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:33:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: sctroy Received: from 216-164-199-112.s1636.apx1.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com (HELO PAB0180015360A.erols.com) ([216.164.199.112]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 May 2009 12:33:23 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:32:47 -0400 To: From: Stephen Troy In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 18:33:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01bbdc305651035110158 At 12:23 PM 5/6/2009, Michael Collins wrote: >You should consider first detouring via Ottawa - it's only about 2 hours >from Montreal, and getting back onto the path to Toronto is straightforward. And don't forget the Ottawa area's biggest attraction - Mark Dapoz. Steve Troy -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 18:35:04 2009 Received: (qmail 3856 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 16:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 16:35:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DD0E182ED for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2743E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9338734AC024 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:34:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08E034AC02B for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:34:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 5 mons 21 days 20:59:10 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-41-64.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.41.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n46GYaor001528 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:34:38 -0300 Message-ID: <4A01BC24.9040803@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:34:44 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 18:35:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01bc3899145368819438 humor warning: joking mood post. Fortunately, I knew that beforehand and never thought about buying an overpriced 90/2, not even before i came to know about its existence - for more than one year I was searching for a 135/4,5 and finally found a perfect sample in Holland ... only to submit this img to the upcoming TOPE event in time: http://www.tope.nl/tope_show_entry.php?event=34&pic=6 ;-) Fernando. (thanks to Mike who advised me on this issue years ago) C.H.Ling wrote: > > Fortunately, most of the shots I took in the show were with the 135/4.5 this > year. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 18:39:18 2009 Received: (qmail 21180 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 16:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 16:39:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EEFE182DF for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FFAE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C3719EDE7 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:39:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D9519EDD0 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:39:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159373140A8 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4005314092 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 09:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A01BD3A.2020609@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 09:39:22 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] During the last month ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 18:39:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01bd36124661470116606 > > Hi all, > > It has been a wonderful autumn here, ... Same here... except the calender is claiming that it is Spring. Enjoy your new toys and post some results. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 19:20:02 2009 Received: (qmail 29239 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 17:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 17:20:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860EBE182E7 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C658E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F273B19EE7A for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:19:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A466519EE40 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:19:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9393140BB for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4E63140A8 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A01C6C3.2020403@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 10:20:03 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: [OM] wild flowers, second round X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 19:20:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01c6c2193041838542571 Some of the later spring flowers are showing around here. It's been a long winter so everything is at least a few weeks to a month late. I lost a rosemary bush this winter that was over 15 years old. Fawn lilies, shooting stars, Blue-eyed Marys etc. are done. The camas fields, chocolate lilies, ranunculus etc. are in full bloom but the weather has to provide some good light before I can get some decent photos. Maybe this weekend. Anyway, here are some shots of later blooming spring flowers. I have been doing a rough selection of the subject before applying LCE then invert the selection and apply a very little gaussian blur to improve the bokeh of the digital lenses. They are a bit harsh to my eye. Of course the 135/4.5 does fine with no adjustment needed. All taken with the E510. Check the Ap09 directory for more foxes if you are interested. By the way, I had a jinfinance 4/3rds adapter fail again after I thought I had fixed it. The screws holding the two pieces together are too small and too few. Time for Walt glue. I was in the sand dunes with the lens on the tripod when the body fell off so no damage was done. Beware! calypso orchid 14~42 kit lens lupine 70~300 wild currant 135/4.5 (previously posted?) wild plum 135/4.5 prairie star satin flower kit lens Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 19:33:56 2009 Received: (qmail 12742 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 17:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 17:33:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FA5E18302 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FEEE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF5719EF07 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:33:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539D119EF3C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:33:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:33:45 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n46HXeOJ016430 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:33:43 GMT Message-ID: <0BF98BF58E944341A5924A0237F314D9@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A01C6C3.2020403@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:34:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] wild flowers, second round X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 19:33:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01ca041361838542571 Hi Mike, I like your photos, though, I agree, a few seem over-sharpened. I had a Fotodiox two-piece adapter loosen up. They may all be made by a common supplier. I applied SuperGlue to the two mating surfaces before I reassembled it and tightened the small screws. I have had no more signs of loosening, though I do adhere to the advice of Fotodiox to limit the weight of attached lenses to no more than two pounds. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Lazzari" To: "1" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: [OM] wild flowers, second round > Some of the later spring flowers are showing around here. It's been a > long winter so everything is at least a few weeks to a month late. I > lost a rosemary bush this winter that was over 15 years old. Fawn > lilies, shooting stars, Blue-eyed Marys etc. are done. The camas fields, > chocolate lilies, ranunculus etc. are in full bloom but the weather has > to provide some good light before I can get some decent photos. Maybe > this weekend. Anyway, here are some shots of later blooming spring > flowers. I have been doing a rough selection of the subject before > applying LCE then invert the selection and apply a very little gaussian > blur to improve the bokeh of the digital lenses. They are a bit harsh to > my eye. Of course the 135/4.5 does fine with no adjustment needed. All > taken with the E510. Check the Ap09 directory for more foxes if you are > interested. By the way, I had a jinfinance 4/3rds adapter fail again > after I thought I had fixed it. The screws holding the two pieces > together are too small and too few. Time for Walt glue. I was in the > sand dunes with the lens on the tripod when the body fell off so no > damage was done. Beware! > > > calypso orchid 14~42 kit lens > > > > lupine 70~300 > > > wild currant 135/4.5 (previously posted?) > > > wild plum 135/4.5 > > > prairie star > > > satin flower kit lens > > Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 19:38:50 2009 Received: (qmail 9910 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 17:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 17:38:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31785E182E6 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A28CE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8573919EF65 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:38:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CBE19EF61 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:38:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp03.online.nl (smtp03.online.nl [194.134.41.33]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 10:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15746866D for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 19:38:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 19:38:40 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:38:38 +0200 Message-ID: <839FC8CF3C9841B0AC096FBA4C391B73@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 19:38:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01cb2a307697350615338 It made about two dozen of them assume room temperature. Bill Barber That's a wonderfull way do describe the result! I have had excellent results catching almost any small animal in a barn, cellar or on the filed with traps that are open on two sides that close automechanically when a small plate in the middle is stepped on, bringing it out of it's balance. A thin metal wire that keeps both doors open is released and the doors close. Only problem is you have to decide what to do with the caught animal. Not all options are fun to watch or to perform. But the animals don't die in an uncontrolled place leaving a smell behind. Also if the neighbour's cat or dog would eat some poisoned rate it could also kill the cat or dog. Wiliam -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 20:14:02 2009 Received: (qmail 9504 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 18:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 18:14:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82CDE182F8 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 11:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C648E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 11:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C22B19F11B for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 11:13:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5E119F114 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 11:13:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 11:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28188 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2009 18:13:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2009 18:13:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 14:13:50 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090505-0, 05/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 20:14:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01d36a85581702588592 But... if you clone those soft, dark green shadows over the top of the = harsh orange balls in the background you end up with a spectacular = image. I wouldn't throw it out. :-) Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Sorry to break yours and many people's dream, I found the bokeh problem o= f = > 90/2 for quite some time but was too lazy to do a more systematic test wi= th = > the FF sensor. Anyway here are two shots I took with the 90/2 (most likel= y = > at F2.8 or F4), you will see what I mean: > = > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2164.JPG > = > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2166.JPG > = > Due to the problem I didn't post any of the 90/2 shot in my 09 flower sho= w = > gallery: > = > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/FS2009/FS2009.htm > = > Fortunately, most of the shots I took in the show were with the 135/4.5 t= his = > year. May be other than this specific focusing distance the bokeh of 90/2= is = > good, I remember it do very well for people portrait. > = > The 90/2 seems works better with the 4/3 sensor as I remember. > = > A good news about the 90/2 as I have mentioned before, it has excellent e= dge = > to edge performance even wide open. Although it is very slight less in = > resolution than the 100/2 at the center but it beat the 100/2 for edges = > performance hands down. Same case happen to 50/2 vs 50/1.4. > = > C.H.Ling > = > = > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Dawid Loubser" > = > The 90/2.0 was "OK"? > "OK" ?!?!?!?! > = > The 90/2.0 is magical... mystical... =FCbersmoothicalicious bokeh... > Really, I have come to agree with Moose that it's really not the world's > best lens at Macro magnifications, it is clearly optimised for > near-macro. But in terms of smoothness, with near perfect bokeh > (I have never managed to coax hard-edged out-of-focus highlights out > of mine, always smooth gaussian-blurred circles) I find the bokeh of > this lens impeccable. > = > I have a back-log of about 200 photos with this lens to print in the > darkroom, > but with each one I get a better idea of its character. Complex > optical design > or not, it's bokeh is wonderful. > = > As mentioned in my previous mail, not an EF 85/1.2L, no, but closer > than anything > else I've seen. > = > :-) > = > = > On 06 May 2009, at 3:51 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > = >> the 90/2 was ok. > = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 21:10:35 2009 Received: (qmail 10611 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 19:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 19:10:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294F9E182EE for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B26E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A27634AC025 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:10:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C4934AC023 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:10:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oHNY1b00A0mlR8UA7KAULa; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:10:28 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oKAT1b00R2Axmu48XKAUYv; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:10:28 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A018589.80300@verizon.net> <4A018DBD.4080301@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: <4A018DBD.4080301@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:10:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 21:10:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01e0ab276751073733319 A Jack Russell terrier works pretty good. LOL Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "SwissPace" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:16 AM Subject: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! > Help, > > my wife has just phoned to say we have rat which she has shut into the > washing room in the cellar, question is how do I trap it, unfortunately > I am fresh out of pythons, and I am sure it can move quicker than me, > its in with the oil tanks so explosives are out, I guess we could borrow > a neighbours cat but they look a bit too soft to take on a rat, any > experienced rat catchers on the list? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 21:23:10 2009 Received: (qmail 29701 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 19:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 19:23:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4841BE182F7 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B5CE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E53234AC029 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:23:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A5334AC028 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:23:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M1mhi-0007YC-Lh for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:22:54 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1M1mhi-0000JW-7W for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:22:54 +0100 Message-ID: <4A01E397.9050506@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 20:23:03 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A018589.80300@verizon.net> <4A018DBD.4080301@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 21:23:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01e39e74351823421471 Paul Laughlin wrote: > A Jack Russell terrier works pretty good. LOL > Paul in Portland OR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SwissPace" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:16 AM > Subject: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! Or a Corgi. They live to crack rats' heads. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 21:23:46 2009 Received: (qmail 18103 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 19:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 19:23:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7867DE182CB for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464A7E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3973534AC027 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:23:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0044E34AC025 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:23:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jtimpe@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oHSl1b0040x6nqcAFKP6RA; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:23:06 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.99]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oKP61b00L28HZcC8YKP6lH; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:23:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:23:06 +0000 (UTC) From: JTimpe@comcast.net To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <583678000.5239021241637786606.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.183.212.99] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.12_GA_2816.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/5.0.12_GA_2816.RHEL5_64) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 21:31:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01e59831971234514069 Not used epoxy but I cleared the hallway and boarded up the staircase and used duct tape to seal around the other doors and then installed one of those ultrasonic pest controller thingies, I am hoping it will walk out on its own without resulting to violence (funny how you mellow as you get older), they are renewing the drain by our house so I guess the blighters became homeless. I sprinkled flowr by the open exit so hopefully I will see footprints as it leaves and hopefully none coming in as he/she has called its pals into the warm ;-) we have considered getting a dog as dicussed on list before, maybe its now time! thanks for all the hints and tips, can't use a glock as its to near the oil tanks, although tonight would be the best time to have a fire as the fire department are practising next door. > Any way some duct tape and epoxy could play into the solution? > > Jim, almost two weeks post-op lefty, from home > did they use duct tape and epoxy during your op ;-) - wishing you a speedy and full recovery. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 21:44:03 2009 Received: (qmail 12473 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 19:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 19:44:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B6DE18174 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1644AE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B42934AC025 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:43:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88FD34AC023 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jtimpe@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oHSE1b00A0cQ2SLA5KjyUM; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:43:58 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.99]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oKjy1b00E28HZcC8WKjygz; Wed, 06 May 2009 19:43:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:43:58 +0000 (UTC) From: JTimpe@comcast.net To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <910623752.5247621241639038460.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4A01E591.5060802@picturepedia.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.183.212.99] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.12_GA_2816.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/5.0.12_GA_2816.RHEL5_64) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 21:47:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01e960243241591313764 > > Benefit of participating from home, no incessant legalese disclaimers. > Small blessings. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 22:26:22 2009 Received: (qmail 4980 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 20:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 20:26:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC888E182E9 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5202DE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4262419F319 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:26:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8DC19F315 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:26:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ians-mac-pro.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 6 May 2009 22:26:12 +0200 Message-ID: <4A01F263.7020104@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:26:11 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <910623752.5247621241639038460.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <910623752.5247621241639038460.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2009 20:26:12.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5AEEBD0:01C9CE88] Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 22:26:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01f26e308531035110158 Its funny but I was thinking of you the other day as I lent my = scopemeter 123 to a pal - I did get a bigger capacity battery for it in = the end JTimpe@comcast.net wrote: > = >> did they use duct tape and epoxy during your op ;-) - wishing you a = >> speedy and full recovery. = >> = > > Not that I'm aware, but then you're not aware of much.=C2 Five little sc= ope holes and a little bruising. = > > Thanks for your kind wishes. = > > Benefit of participating from home, no incessant legalese disclaimers. = > > Jim = > > -- > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 22:46:48 2009 Received: (qmail 31418 invoked by uid 0); 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Wed, 6 May 2009 13:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ians-mac-pro.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 6 May 2009 22:46:41 +0200 Message-ID: <4A01F730.7070606@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:46:40 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <001b01c9ce46$02f91280$08eb3780$@com.au> In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2009 20:46:41.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[C26450E0:01C9CE8B] Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 22:46:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01f73869481591313764 Agreed, and its working I really want to use film more, and seeing those results from the 200 gold which is cheaper than portra It has me seaching for a way to get the developing done cheaply here many years ago I did black and white film development but I seem to recal colour was much more complex and not worth the effort for home user certainly too much for me to do at the moment. >> Excellent shots Ken. >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 22:47:33 2009 Received: (qmail 8813 invoked by uid 0); 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(VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] wild flowers, second round X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 22:47:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01f765100531035110158 Those are all quite gorgeous and none of them familiar to me. My favorite is the wild currant, probably because of the black background. The calypso orchid could benefit from some additional foreground brightness (or background darkness) to separate the flower from its environment. I'm surprised to learn that the 4/3 adapter is in two parts. The Canyon ones are a single piece except for two small screws. One is the aperture stop down and the other a rotation limit pin for the mount. Chuck Norcutt Mike Lazzari wrote: > Some of the later spring flowers are showing around here. It's been a > long winter so everything is at least a few weeks to a month late. I > lost a rosemary bush this winter that was over 15 years old. Fawn > lilies, shooting stars, Blue-eyed Marys etc. are done. The camas fields, > chocolate lilies, ranunculus etc. are in full bloom but the weather has > to provide some good light before I can get some decent photos. Maybe > this weekend. Anyway, here are some shots of later blooming spring > flowers. I have been doing a rough selection of the subject before > applying LCE then invert the selection and apply a very little gaussian > blur to improve the bokeh of the digital lenses. They are a bit harsh to > my eye. Of course the 135/4.5 does fine with no adjustment needed. All > taken with the E510. Check the Ap09 directory for more foxes if you are > interested. By the way, I had a jinfinance 4/3rds adapter fail again > after I thought I had fixed it. The screws holding the two pieces > together are too small and too few. Time for Walt glue. I was in the > sand dunes with the lens on the tripod when the body fell off so no > damage was done. Beware! > > > calypso orchid 14~42 kit lens > > > > lupine 70~300 > > > wild currant 135/4.5 (previously posted?) > > > wild plum 135/4.5 > > > prairie star > > > satin flower kit lens > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 22:52:07 2009 Received: (qmail 8772 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 20:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 20:52:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C1AE182E6 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B65E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356253610004 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DD03610003 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:52:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29522 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2009 20:52:00 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 22:52:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01f8777149117217770 From home is good! :-) Chuck Norcutt JTimpe@comcast.net wrote: > >> Help, >> >> my wife has just phoned to say we have rat which she has shut into the >> washing room in the cellar, question is how do I trap it, unfortunately >> I am fresh out of pythons, and I am sure it can move quicker than me, >> its in with the oil tanks so explosives are out, I guess we could borrow >> a neighbours cat but they look a bit too soft to take on a rat, any >> experienced rat catchers on the list? > > > > > Any way some duct tape and epoxy could play into the solution? > > Jim, almost two weeks post-op lefty, from home > > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 22:54:30 2009 Received: (qmail 28058 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 20:54:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 20:54:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681A7E182EB for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE01E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101BD19F376 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:54:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C964119F35B for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:54:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jtimpe@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 13:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oHPw1b00B0vp7WLA5LuQns; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:54:24 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.99]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oLuQ1b00L28HZcC8RLuQ2j; Wed, 06 May 2009 20:54:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 20:54:24 +0000 (UTC) From: JTimpe@comcast.net To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <1257019102.5283491241643264418.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4A01F263.7020104@picturepedia.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.183.212.99] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.12_GA_2816.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/5.0.12_GA_2816.RHEL5_64) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! 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(218.215.158.15) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 May 2009 21:11:24 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: <4A018589.80300@verizon.net> <4A018DBD.4080301@picturepedia.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <7C2E9080-21FE-4CB6-B7AA-83F642184888@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:11:29 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 23:11:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01fd0e94345368819438 My first thought too - I'll send Polly over on the next flight. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/05/2009, at 5:10 AM, Paul Laughlin wrote: > A Jack Russell terrier works pretty good. LOL > Paul in Portland OR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SwissPace" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:16 AM > Subject: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! > > >> Help, >> >> my wife has just phoned to say we have rat which she has shut into >> the >> washing room in the cellar, question is how do I trap it, >> unfortunately >> I am fresh out of pythons, and I am sure it can move quicker than me, >> its in with the oil tanks so explosives are out, I guess we could >> borrow >> a neighbours cat but they look a bit too soft to take on a rat, any >> experienced rat catchers on the list? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 23:13:24 2009 Received: (qmail 26571 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 21:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 21:13:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261A1E1831F for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBD2E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC57119F3A5 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:13:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2A419F3B0 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:13:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14862 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2009 21:13:10 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 May 2009 21:13:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4A01FD64.7090908@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 17:13:08 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 23:13:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01fd74319721591313764 So, I thought I'd show you what I meant. This is CH's flower sans the = pesky orange in the background. This is his original Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > But... if you clone those soft, dark green shadows over the top of the = > harsh orange balls in the background you end up with a spectacular = > image. I wouldn't throw it out. :-) > = > Chuck Norcutt > = > = > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Sorry to break yours and many people's dream, I found the bokeh problem = of = >> 90/2 for quite some time but was too lazy to do a more systematic test w= ith = >> the FF sensor. Anyway here are two shots I took with the 90/2 (most like= ly = >> at F2.8 or F4), you will see what I mean: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2164.JPG >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2166.JPG >> >> Due to the problem I didn't post any of the 90/2 shot in my 09 flower sh= ow = >> gallery: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/FS2009/FS2009.htm >> >> Fortunately, most of the shots I took in the show were with the 135/4.5 = this = >> year. May be other than this specific focusing distance the bokeh of 90/= 2 is = >> good, I remember it do very well for people portrait. >> >> The 90/2 seems works better with the 4/3 sensor as I remember. >> >> A good news about the 90/2 as I have mentioned before, it has excellent = edge = >> to edge performance even wide open. Although it is very slight less in = >> resolution than the 100/2 at the center but it beat the 100/2 for edges = >> performance hands down. Same case happen to 50/2 vs 50/1.4. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- = >> From: "Dawid Loubser" >> >> The 90/2.0 was "OK"? >> "OK" ?!?!?!?! >> >> The 90/2.0 is magical... mystical... =FCbersmoothicalicious bokeh... >> Really, I have come to agree with Moose that it's really not the world's >> best lens at Macro magnifications, it is clearly optimised for >> near-macro. But in terms of smoothness, with near perfect bokeh >> (I have never managed to coax hard-edged out-of-focus highlights out >> of mine, always smooth gaussian-blurred circles) I find the bokeh of >> this lens impeccable. >> >> I have a back-log of about 200 photos with this lens to print in the >> darkroom, >> but with each one I get a better idea of its character. Complex >> optical design >> or not, it's bokeh is wonderful. >> >> As mentioned in my previous mail, not an EF 85/1.2L, no, but closer >> than anything >> else I've seen. >> >> :-) >> >> >> On 06 May 2009, at 3:51 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: >> >>> the 90/2 was ok. >> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 23:19:16 2009 Received: (qmail 25402 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 21:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 21:19:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAA5E182F6 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C503E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0F73618008 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:19:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40873618004 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:19:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts13.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.34]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip3.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.86]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090506211901.CGGU1559.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip3.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:19:01 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjICAMGWAUpGGI1q/2dsb2JhbAAI0SCEAQU Received: from bas4-toronto46-1176014186.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([70.24.141.106]) by toip3.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 06 May 2009 17:13:23 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 17:19:00 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] wild flowers, second round Thread-Index: AcnOkEXkhIMMOjqDEd6HgwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <4A01C6C3.2020403@interisland.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] wild flowers, second round X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 23:19:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a01fed4182111869477228 Very nice - an inspiration to me! I must practice on some tame flowers around the neighbourhood... Michael On 5/6/09 1:20 PM, Mike Lazzari wrote: > Some of the later spring flowers are showing around here... > [snip] > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 23:28:34 2009 Received: (qmail 65 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 21:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 21:28:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCF7E182E7 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A01E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D06234AC028 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:28:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73CF334AC026 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:28:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26056 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2009 21:28:23 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 23:28:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02010224862046811720 I just noticed that, in a side-by-side comparison, my modified version = seems to have a bit more contrast and saturation than CH's original. I = don't understand why since I altered nothing except cloning out the = orange and adding a black border for display. The only other thing I = can think of is re-saving as a JPEG twice but I don't know why that = would change contrast or saturation. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > So, I thought I'd show you what I meant. This is CH's flower sans the = > pesky orange in the background. > > This is his original > > = > Chuck Norcutt > = > = > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> But... if you clone those soft, dark green shadows over the top of the = >> harsh orange balls in the background you end up with a spectacular = >> image. I wouldn't throw it out. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> Sorry to break yours and many people's dream, I found the bokeh problem= of = >>> 90/2 for quite some time but was too lazy to do a more systematic test = with = >>> the FF sensor. Anyway here are two shots I took with the 90/2 (most lik= ely = >>> at F2.8 or F4), you will see what I mean: >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2164.JPG >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2166.JPG >>> >>> Due to the problem I didn't post any of the 90/2 shot in my 09 flower s= how = >>> gallery: >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/FS2009/FS2009.htm >>> >>> Fortunately, most of the shots I took in the show were with the 135/4.5= this = >>> year. May be other than this specific focusing distance the bokeh of 90= /2 is = >>> good, I remember it do very well for people portrait. >>> >>> The 90/2 seems works better with the 4/3 sensor as I remember. >>> >>> A good news about the 90/2 as I have mentioned before, it has excellent= edge = >>> to edge performance even wide open. Although it is very slight less in = >>> resolution than the 100/2 at the center but it beat the 100/2 for edges = >>> performance hands down. Same case happen to 50/2 vs 50/1.4. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- = >>> From: "Dawid Loubser" >>> >>> The 90/2.0 was "OK"? >>> "OK" ?!?!?!?! >>> >>> The 90/2.0 is magical... mystical... =FCbersmoothicalicious bokeh... >>> Really, I have come to agree with Moose that it's really not the world's >>> best lens at Macro magnifications, it is clearly optimised for >>> near-macro. But in terms of smoothness, with near perfect bokeh >>> (I have never managed to coax hard-edged out-of-focus highlights out >>> of mine, always smooth gaussian-blurred circles) I find the bokeh of >>> this lens impeccable. >>> >>> I have a back-log of about 200 photos with this lens to print in the >>> darkroom, >>> but with each one I get a better idea of its character. Complex >>> optical design >>> or not, it's bokeh is wonderful. >>> >>> As mentioned in my previous mail, not an EF 85/1.2L, no, but closer >>> than anything >>> else I've seen. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> On 06 May 2009, at 3:51 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: >>> >>>> the 90/2 was ok. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 23:33:04 2009 Received: (qmail 29802 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 21:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 21:33:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06040E182F2 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D6EE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D7719F3F7 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2EC19F3F8 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so215881ywr.80 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 14:32:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.227.18 with SMTP id z18mr3732678ang.67.1241645577545; Wed, 06 May 2009 14:32:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <4A01FD64.7090908@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:32:57 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b079806346928212 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 23:33:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a020210275338512572685 Dr. Edit wrote: > I just noticed that, in a side-by-side comparison, my modified version > seems to have a bit more contrast and saturation than CH's original. I > don't understand why since I altered nothing except cloning out the > orange and adding a black border for display. The only other thing I > can think of is re-saving as a JPEG twice but I don't know why that > would change contrast or saturation. > What program did you do the edit in? Chances are when you opened the file for editing you changed the colorspace or the perceptual assignment. Then when you saved, it saved using the new parameters. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 23:57:44 2009 Received: (qmail 25773 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 21:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 21:57:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EDDE182ED for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA71E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5199034AC024 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:57:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B1F34AC026 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:57:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 5 mons 22 days 02:21:55 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-41-64.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.41.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n46LvP27003141 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:57:28 -0300 Message-ID: <4A0207CD.6080300@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 18:57:33 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <4A01FD64.7090908@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 23:57:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0207d848931234514069 Indeed. Saturation increase is more noticeable than contrast increase, but the yellow centre shows as if a LCE would have been applied. Will do the same after I finish working to see what I get. Perhaps I'd convert it to .tif, clone out and them back to .jpg. Have seen that in my workflow, while resizing and changing from 16 to 8 bit give different results if I resize o change color depth first. Fernando Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I just noticed that, in a side-by-side comparison, my modified version > seems to have a bit more contrast and saturation than CH's original. I > don't understand why since I altered nothing except cloning out the > orange and adding a black border for display. The only other thing I > can think of is re-saving as a JPEG twice but I don't know why that > would change contrast or saturation. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> So, I thought I'd show you what I meant. This is CH's flower sans the >> pesky orange in the background. >> >> This is his original >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 23:58:23 2009 Received: (qmail 3107 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 21:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 21:58:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5696AE182FA for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FACE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA5334AC028 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA4C34AC024 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:57:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16296 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2009 21:57:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 23:58:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0207ff326441591313764 I opened it in PhotoShop and it was stored in sRGB. AFAIK there is no profile associated with the original image and PhotoShop issued no message about changing color profiles. Perhaps it was Adobe RGB to begin with? But I guess CH will have to advise on that one. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > Dr. Edit wrote: > >> I just noticed that, in a side-by-side comparison, my modified version >> seems to have a bit more contrast and saturation than CH's original. I >> don't understand why since I altered nothing except cloning out the >> orange and adding a black border for display. The only other thing I >> can think of is re-saving as a JPEG twice but I don't know why that >> would change contrast or saturation. >> > > What program did you do the edit in? Chances are when you opened the file > for editing you changed the colorspace or the perceptual assignment. Then > when you saved, it saved using the new parameters. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed May 6 23:59:48 2009 Received: (qmail 31783 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 21:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 21:59:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02551E18174 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD14E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0431E34AC02B for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:59:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722CB34AC028 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:59:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17655 invoked by uid 504); 6 May 2009 21:59:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed May 6 23:59:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a020854246011342116753 Nope, no LCE. The only editing tool applied was the cloning tool. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Indeed. Saturation increase is more noticeable than contrast increase, > but the yellow centre shows as if a LCE would have been applied. > Will do the same after I finish working to see what I get. Perhaps I'd > convert it to .tif, clone out and them back to .jpg. Have seen that in > my workflow, while resizing and changing from 16 to 8 bit give different > results if I resize o change color depth first. > > Fernando > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I just noticed that, in a side-by-side comparison, my modified version >> seems to have a bit more contrast and saturation than CH's original. I >> don't understand why since I altered nothing except cloning out the >> orange and adding a black border for display. The only other thing I >> can think of is re-saving as a JPEG twice but I don't know why that >> would change contrast or saturation. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> So, I thought I'd show you what I meant. This is CH's flower sans the >>> pesky orange in the background. >>> >>> This is his original >>> >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 00:15:07 2009 Received: (qmail 19924 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 22:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 22:15:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2361BE182ED for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC17E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B745319F472 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:15:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D726319F46B for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:14:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.123]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n46MEv7M018347 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:14:58 +1000 Message-Id: <200905062214.n46MEv7M018347@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 07 May 2009 08:14:57 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 08:14:57 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 00:15:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a020beb242041499373980 Just let him out, his family are probably already missing him. ...Wayne > SwissPace <> wrote: > > Help, > > my wife has just phoned to say we have rat which she has shut into the > washing room in the cellar, question is how do I trap it, unfortunately > I am fresh out of pythons, and I am sure it can move quicker than me, > its in with the oil tanks so explosives are out, I guess we could borrow > > a neighbours cat but they look a bit too soft to take on a rat, any > experienced rat catchers on the list? > > seriously I would like some ideas if anyone has any! > > thanks IanW > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 00:18:39 2009 Received: (qmail 913 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 22:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 22:18:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF51E182F8 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC027E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B682419F478 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:18:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8F819F484 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:18:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.123]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n46MIXtL007825 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:18:33 +1000 Message-Id: <200905062218.n46MIXtL007825@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 07 May 2009 08:18:33 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 08:18:33 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 00:18:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a020cbf47931342116753 > C.H.Ling <> wrote: > > Ken, the color is VERY impressive. Yes, the bokeh is great, I have the > impression that simple design lenses have better bokeh. TESSAR ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 00:22:00 2009 Received: (qmail 10441 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 22:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 22:21:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE9CE182FE for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947BCE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8490B19F48C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:21:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C1E19F486 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:21:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oJHV1b0040cQ2SLA4NMtHB; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:21:53 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oNMs1b00J2Axmu48WNMsz8; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:21:52 +0000 Message-ID: <86A006AF43CA43B4977A670B37AFD093@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A018589.80300@verizon.net><4A018DBD.4080301@picturepedia.org> <7C2E9080-21FE-4CB6-B7AA-83F642184888@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <7C2E9080-21FE-4CB6-B7AA-83F642184888@people.net.au> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:22:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 00:21:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a020d87155871869477228 Like this guy in Washington state. He found some rats in a grain barrel in the horse barn. So he just picked up his Jack Russell and dropped him in the barrel. There was a big ruckus, but he took care of those rats in short order. This was the daddy of my daughter's dog. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! > My first thought too - I'll send Polly over on the next flight. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 07/05/2009, at 5:10 AM, Paul Laughlin wrote: > >> A Jack Russell terrier works pretty good. LOL >> Paul in Portland OR -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 00:22:57 2009 Received: (qmail 6574 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 22:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 22:22:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A281BE182B8 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5411FE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4905B34AC023 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:22:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC48434AC026 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:22:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts43.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.110]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip7.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.124]) by tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090506222238.CFL1596.tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip7.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:22:38 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjICAMekAUpGGI1q/2dsb2JhbAAI0RGEAQU Received: from bas4-toronto46-1176014186.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([70.24.141.106]) by toip7.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 06 May 2009 18:24:12 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 18:22:36 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! Thread-Index: AcnOmShoZ0JpjDqMEd6HgwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <200905062214.n46MEv7M018347@mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 00:22:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a020dc1247921744846740 On 5/6/09 6:14 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > Just let him out, his family are probably already missing him. > > ...Wayne Let's not blow its cover - "I had to put in long hours at the office." Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 00:29:17 2009 Received: (qmail 2241 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 22:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 22:29:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8AFE182E0 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5080FE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3728F19F4B0 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:29:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D42B19F4AF for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:29:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.123]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n46MTAlv020319 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:29:10 +1000 Message-Id: <200905062229.n46MTAlv020319@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 07 May 2009 08:29:10 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 08:29:10 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 00:29:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a020f3d141603675314703 > C.H.Ling <> wrote: > > Sorry to break yours and many people's dream, I found the bokeh problem > of > 90/2 for quite some time but was too lazy to do a more systematic test > with > the FF sensor. Anyway here are two shots I took with the 90/2 (most > likely > at F2.8 or F4), you will see what I mean: > I see what you mean CH, the 135/4.5 is better, but I've seen much uglier bokeh than the 90/2 shots. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 00:29:51 2009 Received: (qmail 22855 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 22:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 22:29:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D83E182D1 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE21E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B6934AC024 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:29:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B7834AC023 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:29:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30316 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 22:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.158.15) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 May 2009 22:29:15 -0000 In-Reply-To: <86A006AF43CA43B4977A670B37AFD093@PaulPC> References: <4A018589.80300@verizon.net><4A018DBD.4080301@picturepedia.org> <7C2E9080-21FE-4CB6-B7AA-83F642184888@people.net.au> <86A006AF43CA43B4977A670B37AFD093@PaulPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <244C3DC8-23D0-4076-A091-781C25C7F328@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:29:20 +1000 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 00:29:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a020f5f143881585427447 In less humane times, there were 'sporting' competitions in England involving timing how long it took a terrier to kill a given number of rats in a pen. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/05/2009, at 8:22 AM, Paul Laughlin wrote: > Like this guy in Washington state. He found some rats in a grain > barrel in > the horse barn. So he just picked up his Jack Russell and dropped > him in > the barrel. There was a big ruckus, but he took care of those rats > in short > order. This was the daddy of my daughter's dog. > Paul in Portland OR > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Fildes" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! > > >> My first thought too - I'll send Polly over on the next flight. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 07/05/2009, at 5:10 AM, Paul Laughlin wrote: >> >>> A Jack Russell terrier works pretty good. LOL >>> Paul in Portland OR > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 00:48:44 2009 Received: (qmail 8206 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 22:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 22:48:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D315E182DB for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFA3E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AC019F530 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA4419F522 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alienspecimen@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.151]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 91113 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2009 22:48:37 -0000 Message-ID: <804873.89631.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9Tr3L5sVM1kQSCYukSt1C1ou9UG49mCSWds1djUHMmKCP795aOXO_VOM6kMH_EzEQriBffhj.cUZJV1gdORv0kK4jOuXhaQ6a.NnhWbJcMP3rQp4uU7pZkCdqrbkbvtUeuxwH3k8OiY8DrqyOpe4r2vqfM64JtKqpakDYZtAXwIs.7pDbBkKc4WzGGTe4yE5Od5gRcNE5W8H34JUKxBx6J62Zh7X3eW16Jkky7Y8X5VlvHgej22IFSUHmzjd7n0Btu80MHX0ZzSz8NL4Ea5BUpTptLKHQUx6nvwlHFCNqkJzskO9slzT Received: from [12.235.198.52] by web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 15:48:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:48:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 00:48:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0213cc90331529615919 Don't do that.=A0 It is cruel and it doesnt work. =A0 They chew their feet off in an attempt to escape. =A0 Use a mechanical trap that kills instantly instead.=A0 BTW rats are slow ru= nners, you can easily jump on him...just offering a viable=A0alternative...= :) =A0 Boris =A0 Subject: = Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! From: = Rick Beckrich Date: = Wed, 6 May 2009 12:00:34 -0400 Purchase one of the glue pads - place it against a wall. This a very sticky substance in a small plastic tray (3" X 5" +/-) which will imobilize the critter as soon as he steps on it. Then just pick & pitch. = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 00:52:01 2009 Received: (qmail 19662 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 22:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 22:52:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36CAE182DF for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C269FE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D4A34AC029 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:51:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E0E34AC027 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:51:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 15:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50206 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1pxw-00005O-RP for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 15:51:53 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 18:51:51 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! Thread-Index: AcnOnT53fNrdAjqQEd6EKwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <804873.89631.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 00:52:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a021491287481499373980 Why don't you guys do it the natural way? Get a mean-ass cat. Females make the best hunters. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, has killed more than 6000 rodents in her lifetime (she is 18 yrs old), and she has even killed two rattlesnakes! -- = Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/6/09 6:48 PM, "Willie Wonka" wrote: > Don't do that.=A0 It is cruel and it doesnt work. > =A0 > They chew their feet off in an attempt to escape. > =A0 > Use a mechanical trap that kills instantly instead.=A0 BTW rats are slow > runners, you can easily jump on him...just offering a viable=A0alternativ= e...:) > =A0 > Boris > =A0 > = > = > = > = > Subject: = > Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! > = > From: = > Rick Beckrich > = > Date: = > Wed, 6 May 2009 12:00:34 -0400 > = > = > = > = > Purchase one of the glue pads - place it against a wall. This a very stic= ky > substance in a small plastic tray (3" X 5" +/-) which will imobilize > the critter as soon as he steps on it. Then just pick & pitch. > = > = > = > = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 01:46:02 2009 Received: (qmail 31345 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2009 23:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 May 2009 23:46:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CB1E182B1 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 16:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC73E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 16:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5951519F6CF for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 16:45:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9909619F6CE for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 16:45:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sandyinchina@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f103.google.com (mail-qy0-f103.google.com [209.85.221.103]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 16:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1so838311qyk.22 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:45:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.70.139 with SMTP id d11mr1748600qcj.51.1241653553800; Wed, 06 May 2009 16:45:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:45:53 +0800 Message-ID: From: Sandy Harris To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 01:46:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02213a320791257536491 Michael Collins wrote: > You should consider first detouring via Ottawa - it's only about 2 hours > from Montreal, and getting back onto the path to Toronto is straightforward. > I don't know what to recommend in the area, ... Canada's capital, very pretty. http://wikitravel.org/en/Ottawa Kingston is on the Montreal-Toronto highway, a university town with quite a few old stone buildings. In either of those cities & perhaps others, Lone Star Cafe has good Mexican food. Started by a Texan who played pro football for Ottawa. > You can detour via the "Loyalist Parkway" from > Kingston to Trenton ... That area's first major influx of immigration was "united empire loyalists", people leaving the US during or just after the revolution. > If you're spending any time in Toronto, ... the Royal Ontario Museum. Definitely a good one. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 02:05:08 2009 Received: (qmail 11834 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 00:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 00:05:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2378E182D1 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DC6E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9700B19F71B for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:05:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3142F19F723 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:05:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts36.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip3.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.86]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090507000502.KDSZ1757.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip3.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 20:05:02 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjICAOfAAUpGGI1q/2dsb2JhbAAI0HKEAQU Received: from bas4-toronto46-1176014186.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([70.24.141.106]) by toip3.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 06 May 2009 19:59:23 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 20:05:00 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Trip to Canada in June Thread-Index: AcnOp3aEtV1HtDqaEd6HgwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 02:05:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0225b4268451234514069 On 5/6/09 7:45 PM, Sandy Harris wrote: >> If you're spending any time in Toronto, ... the Royal Ontario Museum. > Definitely a good one. Especially all the artifacts looted from China :-) . Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 02:09:01 2009 Received: (qmail 22887 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 00:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 00:08:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10FEE182B9 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBBAE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568D134AC026 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:08:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91F334AC023 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:08:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31883 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 00:08:50 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 02:09:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02269d114269347015869 If you go to NotL it's only a short trip down to see Niagara Falls. Then, if you cross into the US you can see the falls from the other side as well. Continuing a little further south toward Buffalo you'll pass Ali's place in East Amherst on the north east side of Buffalo and my son's house only a few miles from there. Go a little west into Buffalo proper and maybe even stop in for some *real* Buffalo wings at the Anchor Bar On the way from Niagara Falls to Buffalo you'll pass through the town of North Tonawanda on Niagara Falls Boulevard. That's the site of the old Wurlitzer organ factory and the subject of one of my TOPE shots. If the timing is right you can stop in at the Riviera Theater there for a once a month concert on their "Mighty Wurlitzer" theater organ. If you head east and south you'll encounter the Finger Lakes most all of which are ringed by hundreds of wineries. They all give tastings for a small fee and one could be throughly soused in short order if not careful. There are many scenic spots around and one of the best known is Taughannock Falls in theTaughannock Falls State Park just north of Ithaca, at the tip of Cayuga Lake. Ithaca is the home of Cornell University. Also very scenic is Watkins Glenn State Park at the tip of Seneca Lake which is one lake to the west. Watkins Glen is also the site of Watkins Glen International race track and was for many years the location for the United States Grand Prix and lots of other road races. Only about 20 miles south and west of Watkins Glen is Corning, New York, home to what used to be called The Corning Glass Works and also the Corning Museum of Glass. You can spend many hours in that place. An optical object of interest there is the first attempt at casting the pyrex mirror for the 200 inch Hale Telescope on Mt. Palomar. The first mirror blank cracked while cooling and is now displayed on the wall. One could make all of these tours by driving down the side of one lake (tasting wines all the way) visit the two state parks and Corning and then drive up the side of another lake (tasting wines all the way) But bring a designated driver. :-) That ought to keep you busy for a while. Chuck Norcutt Michael Collins wrote: > BACK TO MONTREAL > >>From NotL, you could consider going through Upper New York State for part of > the way (visa arrangements permitting), then back up to Ontario at Kingston > for the rest of the trip. I'm sure our resident NY Staters will have good > advice - you'd be travelling through the Finger Lakes region, which is said > to be quite scenic. > > That's what comes to mind right now; I'll pass on any other ideas that pop > up. > > Michael > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 02:15:27 2009 Received: (qmail 8160 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 00:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 00:15:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5067E182C8 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F49EE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3154534AC027 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:15:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4509C34AC028 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:15:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n470FFZ1026411 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:15:16 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <4A01FD64.7090908@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0207E0.5010205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:15:08 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 02:15:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02281f323721585427447 No, I use sRGB always. BTW, the bad bokeh is seen on the lower part of the image where there are some closer leaves/branches. I call it double image which looks like seeing things with astigmatic eyes. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" >I opened it in PhotoShop and it was stored in sRGB. AFAIK there is no > profile associated with the original image and PhotoShop issued no > message about changing color profiles. Perhaps it was Adobe RGB to > begin with? But I guess CH will have to advise on that one. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Ken Norton wrote: >> Dr. Edit wrote: >> >>> I just noticed that, in a side-by-side comparison, my modified version >>> seems to have a bit more contrast and saturation than CH's original. I >>> don't understand why since I altered nothing except cloning out the >>> orange and adding a black border for display. The only other thing I >>> can think of is re-saving as a JPEG twice but I don't know why that >>> would change contrast or saturation. >>> >> >> What program did you do the edit in? Chances are when you opened the >> file >> for editing you changed the colorspace or the perceptual assignment. Then >> when you saved, it saved using the new parameters. >> >> AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 02:20:38 2009 Received: (qmail 29235 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 00:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 00:20:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C7EE182EA for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A1DE24A9C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D14819F74F for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:20:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA66F19F749 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:20:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJ800KSOZM6W301@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:20:30 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-165-75.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.165.75]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:20:29 -0300 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 21:20:30 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0MAN3FAUoY4KVL/2dsb2JhbACBSohzxiAHg3oF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,305,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="522228138" References: <309D018EA5574692B35368E594AE6B3E@wiliam> Subject: Re: [OM] goin' boating X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 02:20:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a022956149261702588592 It's mast is so tall that there is no bridge in the world under which it can pass. jh ps: fancy being able to drive a double decker London bus around in the hull ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [OM] goin' boating > Awesome vessel, but way out of my league at $400,000 a week! > > If not on charter I would love to sail it from the Mediterranean to the > Caribic or back ;-) > > Wiliam > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] >> Verzonden: zaterdag 2 mei 2009 14:42 >> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Onderwerp: [OM] goin' boating >> >> >> >> Has anyone seen this single master passing by in their >> neighbourhood waters? >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6xa8f >> >> jh >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.9/2087 - Release >> Date: 05/01/09 17:52:00 >> >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 02:23:17 2009 Received: (qmail 22978 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 00:23:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 00:23:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D90E182B7 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F5FE24A9C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AEE34AC028 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:23:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD7C34AC027 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:23:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJ8000NXZQLYVE0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:23:09 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-165-75.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.165.75]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 21:23:09 -0300 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 21:23:10 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <9DC5FA63F47C4656AF0AE188AE73AF33@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0MAP/GAUoY4KVL/2dsb2JhbACBSohzxikHg3oF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,305,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="473434474" References: Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 02:23:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0229f5120471257536491 Give Ottawa a huge pass ................ too many politicians and other carpetbaggers. Think Halifax and Vancouver instead. WAY better photo opportunities. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Collins" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June > On 5/6/09 7:45 PM, Sandy Harris wrote: >>> If you're spending any time in Toronto, ... the Royal Ontario Museum. >> Definitely a good one. > > Especially all the artifacts looted from China :-) . > > Michael > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 02:30:42 2009 Received: (qmail 9982 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 00:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 00:30:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D86E182F5 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E58E24A9C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3656134AC024 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:30:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9BA34AC023 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:30:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12915 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 00:30:34 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 02:30:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a022bb1326311946193717 OK, I see it now. I won't attempt to fix that. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > No, I use sRGB always. > > BTW, the bad bokeh is seen on the lower part of the image where there are > some closer leaves/branches. I call it double image which looks like seeing > things with astigmatic eyes. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> I opened it in PhotoShop and it was stored in sRGB. AFAIK there is no >> profile associated with the original image and PhotoShop issued no >> message about changing color profiles. Perhaps it was Adobe RGB to >> begin with? But I guess CH will have to advise on that one. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Ken Norton wrote: >>> Dr. Edit wrote: >>> >>>> I just noticed that, in a side-by-side comparison, my modified version >>>> seems to have a bit more contrast and saturation than CH's original. I >>>> don't understand why since I altered nothing except cloning out the >>>> orange and adding a black border for display. The only other thing I >>>> can think of is re-saving as a JPEG twice but I don't know why that >>>> would change contrast or saturation. >>>> >>> What program did you do the edit in? Chances are when you opened the >>> file >>> for editing you changed the colorspace or the perceptual assignment. Then >>> when you saved, it saved using the new parameters. >>> >>> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 02:31:27 2009 Received: (qmail 2571 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 00:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 00:31:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998A5E182F0 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8810CE24A9C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7579A19F76B for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:31:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD2F19F768 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:31:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so274462ywr.80 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:31:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.132.4 with SMTP id f4mr3969256and.127.1241656279887; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:31:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <4A01FD64.7090908@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0207E0.5010205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:31:19 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 19ae2117ccf30349 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 02:31:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a022bdf249951869477228 > > >I opened it in PhotoShop and it was stored in sRGB. AFAIK there is no > > profile associated with the original image and PhotoShop issued no > > message about changing color profiles. Perhaps it was Adobe RGB to > > begin with? But I guess CH will have to advise on that one. > When you open a file for editing within a quality editor, the file needs to be converted to the "internal" colorspace, which is a working colorspace which isn't the same as the colorspace used for file storage. When the file is imported it is subject to a rendering intent. The common options are: 1. Maintain Full Gamut 2. Preserve Saturation 3. Preserve Identical Colors 4. Preserve Identical Colors and White Point 5. Preserve Identical Colors and Black Point. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 02:32:42 2009 Received: (qmail 26877 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 00:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 00:32:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D979E182EC for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2CEE24A9C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209F219F771 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:32:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4ED119F774 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:32:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sandyinchina@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f103.google.com (mail-qy0-f103.google.com [209.85.221.103]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 17:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1so869122qyk.22 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:32:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.81.66 with SMTP id w2mr1524929qck.12.1241656356080; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:32:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:32:36 +0800 Message-ID: From: Sandy Harris To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 02:32:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a022c2a201797927319144 On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Michael Collins wrote: > On 5/6/09 7:45 PM, Sandy Harris wrote: >>> If you're spending any time in Toronto, ... the Royal Ontario Museum. >> Definitely a good one. > > Especially all the artifacts looted from China :-) . Yes, mostly from some British official who spent time in China then Toronto, donated his collection in his will. Fantastic stuff. Museums can be strange that way. I'm told one of the best collections of Canadian Northwest coast Indian art is in Frankfurt. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 03:18:50 2009 Received: (qmail 16889 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 01:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 01:18:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55085E182C9 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FB5E24A9C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEB019F7F8 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:18:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFB419F7F7 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:18:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.239]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n471IeBt025020 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:18:40 +1000 Message-Id: <200905070118.n471IeBt025020@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 07 May 2009 11:18:40 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 11:18:40 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 03:18:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0236fa171785368819438 > Sandy Harris <> wrote: > > > Museums can be strange that way. I'm told one of the best > collections of Canadian Northwest coast Indian art is in > Frankfurt. > A useful backup strategy, "off-country storage". ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 03:37:14 2009 Received: (qmail 7213 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 01:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 01:37:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A264E182ED for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F16E24A9C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4681E34AC024 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:37:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB45F34AC023 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:37:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18013 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 01:37:05 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 03:37:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a023b49278189117217770 I (think) I know that but isn't PhotoShop supposed to query me about conversion if it needs to be converted? Besides, CH has already said the original is in sRGB although Fernando says the original image is identified as sRGB 1.31(Canon) whereas my rework has the CS3 default of sRGB IEC61966 2.1. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >>> I opened it in PhotoShop and it was stored in sRGB. AFAIK there is no >>> profile associated with the original image and PhotoShop issued no >>> message about changing color profiles. Perhaps it was Adobe RGB to >>> begin with? But I guess CH will have to advise on that one. > > > When you open a file for editing within a quality editor, the file needs to > be converted to the "internal" colorspace, which is a working colorspace > which isn't the same as the colorspace used for file storage. When the file > is imported it is subject to a rendering intent. The common options are: > > 1. Maintain Full Gamut > 2. Preserve Saturation > 3. Preserve Identical Colors > 4. Preserve Identical Colors and White Point > 5. Preserve Identical Colors and Black Point. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 03:49:09 2009 Received: (qmail 16112 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 01:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 01:49:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7BDE182F1 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F68E24A9C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9732534AC024 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:49:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C5A34AC023 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:49:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mwalters@rogers.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp115.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp115.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.231]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 38324 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 01:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mwalters@99.241.188.157 with plain) by smtp115.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 01:49:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5sBfIN0VM1lUW1tLfuvxZo3RgGmYj3kghHUrbT.FwHbaMAssDrZqCApnRm85JNKH1A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4A023E0C.2040808@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 21:49:00 -0400 From: Martin Walters User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 03:49:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a023e15224517927319144 Jez: Canada's sleepy capital does merit a visit. Among things that may be of interest: Parliament etc National Gallery National Aviation Museum National War Museum Museum of Civilization Rideau Canal and locks (World Heritage Site) Byward Market (Centre town - Cafe terrasses, restaurants) Gatineau park (June may not be the best time) As Michael mentioned, there are other museums/locales perhaps of interest Leaving Ottawa, you could take the scenic route via the Rideau Canal down to the St Lawrence River (rather than the autoroutes) To echo others, the Kingston-Gananoque-Thousand Islands area is definitely worth a visit, and a way to break the trip down the 401 to Toronto. Michael mentioned the Air Force Museum at Trenton. It's particular claim to fame is the home of the only authentic and restored Halifax bomber in the world (recovered from a Norwegian lake, IIRC, as was the one in the Imperial War Museum). Hope this helps. Be pleased to provide more info. Martin Michael Collins wrote: > On 5/6/09 11:26 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote: >> Hi - and thanks in advance for your help... >> We're taking a trip to Canada in mid-June - arriving by plane in Montreal to >> stay with a friend over the weekend, then working our way to other friends >> in Niagara-on-the-Lake towards the end of the week, returning to Montreal to >> fly back home on the following Monday. >> >> So we have a few days (approx Mon-Thurs) to wend our way towards Toronto. I >> guess we'll have a rental car the whole time (unless you tell us a train >> ride is worth doing?) > > Nothing much to see from that train ride, so skip it. But then the highway > (401) view is pretty unimpressive, too. > >> and we need some recommendations for 'must see' things >> in the area. Montreal and Niagara local attractions will be guided by our >> friends. So I'm looking for other places 'worth the detour' for >> architecture, landscape (and shopping for SWMBO) ? > > It's pretty flat country, so other than rivers there's not a whole lot of > landscape to recommend. > > You should consider first detouring via Ottawa - it's only about 2 hours > from Montreal, and getting back onto the path to Toronto is straightforward. > I don't know what to recommend in the area, but there's quite a variety of > "Canadian Museum of ..." institutions. Perhaps tOM Trottier will jump in > here. > > On the drive towards Toronto you'll pass Upper Canada Village > in Morrisburg, a re-creation of a small 19th > century village, largely from buildings moved before the flooding that > created that part of the St. Lawrence Seaway. If you have an interest in > history, it would be worthwhile. > > At Gananoque you'll want to detour off the main highway onto the Thousand > Islands Parkway, a slower but much more scenic drive beside the river for > about 45 km. Plenty of places for a picnic stop. > > You can detour via the "Loyalist Parkway" from > Kingston to Trenton if anything there catches your interest. It's > picturesque country anyway, so probably worth taking the extra time. > > Can't remember if you're interested in military aviation history, but you'll > pass by the National Air Force Museum in > Trenton. > > If you're spending any time in Toronto, there's more than enough to do and > plenty of shopping opportunities for SWMBO. I'd spend the time: strolling on > the Toronto Islands; visiting the Distillery Historic District; at Luminato > (the "Toronto Festival of Arts and Creativity" ) > June 5-14 if that's when you're here; and at the Art Gallery of Ontario > and/or the Royal Ontario Museum. Plus the usual variety of live music and > other big-city stuff. > > TORONTO to NIAGARA-ON-THE-LAKE (1-1/2 to 2 hour drive) > > More military aviation history: the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum > is in the Hamilton area. > > Closer to Niagara-on-the-Lake [NotL for short] you'll pass through the > Niagara winery area, so check with your NotL friends to decide what to visit > - they may choose to meet you on the way. I'd suggest the small Southbrook > winery only because good friends of mine own it :-) . > > BACK TO MONTREAL > >>From NotL, you could consider going through Upper New York State for part of > the way (visa arrangements permitting), then back up to Ontario at Kingston > for the rest of the trip. I'm sure our resident NY Staters will have good > advice - you'd be travelling through the Finger Lakes region, which is said > to be quite scenic. > > That's what comes to mind right now; I'll pass on any other ideas that pop > up. > > Michael > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 03:49:55 2009 Received: (qmail 16191 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 01:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 01:49:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3C2E182D9 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BD8E24A9C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCB034AC024 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:49:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7551D34AC023 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:49:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mwalters@rogers.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp131.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp131.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.53.36]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 56880 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 01:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Martin Stephen Troy wrote: > At 12:23 PM 5/6/2009, Michael Collins wrote: >> You should consider first detouring via Ottawa - it's only about 2 hours >>from Montreal, and getting back onto the path to Toronto is straightforward. > > > And don't forget the Ottawa area's biggest attraction - Mark Dapoz. > > Steve Troy > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 04:29:20 2009 Received: (qmail 23509 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EBBE182EC for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 19:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A49E24A9C for ; 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Thu, 07 May 2009 02:29:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 02:29:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Don Holbrook To: OM post Message-ID: <603735293.5479421241663353153.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.96.58.79] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.12_GA_2816.RHEL5_64 (zclient/5.0.12_GA_2816.RHEL5_64) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Film users/lovers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 04:29:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02478079721591313764 Interesting article at www.photo.net/learn/film/open-letter-to-film-users. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 06:15:51 2009 Received: (qmail 2093 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 04:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 04:15:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6873FE182FD for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 21:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A03E24A9C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 21:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D5434AC027 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 21:15:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA6734AC025 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 21:15:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (md@dementia.org whitelisted) Received: from lily.dementia.org (LILY.DEMENTIA.ORG [128.2.120.205]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 21:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (md@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lily.dementia.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id n474Fc3n031710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 00:15:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:15:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Dapoz To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> Message-ID: References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 06:15:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a026077269591257536491 On Wed, 6 May 2009, Martin Walters wrote: > Really! > > Martin > > Stephen Troy wrote: >> At 12:23 PM 5/6/2009, Michael Collins wrote: >>> You should consider first detouring via Ottawa - it's only about 2 hours >>> from Montreal, and getting back onto the path to Toronto is straightforward. >> >> >> And don't forget the Ottawa area's biggest attraction - Mark Dapoz. >> >> Steve Troy >> Well, maybe for a zuikoholic :-) Feel free to drop by if you're in the neighbourhood. -mark -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 06:54:30 2009 Received: (qmail 27859 invoked by uid 0); 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Wed, 6 May 2009 21:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ians-mac-pro.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 7 May 2009 06:54:23 +0200 Message-ID: <4A02697E.4010105@picturepedia.org> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 06:54:22 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2009 04:54:23.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3B398C0:01C9CECF] Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 06:54:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a026986180222070262475 I am allergic to cats so thats not an option, I left it an easy escape route last evening through the hallway and out the front door for a few hours, when I checked the room as best I could before locking up for the night I saw no sign of fooprints in the flour I had sprinkled, I think though (and hope) that it had already escaped as there is a tilt window in the cellar which was open about 2-3 cm (an inch) at the top (the most open part)and although its some 2m high there are some pipes providing a relatively easy escape possibility. Chris Crawford wrote: > Why don't you guys do it the natural way? Get a mean-ass cat. Females make > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 06:58:25 2009 Received: (qmail 25201 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 04:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 04:58:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F77E182DB for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 21:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD47FE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 21:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF8E1CD490 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 21:58:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4031CD48C for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 21:58:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 21:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ians-mac-pro.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 7 May 2009 06:58:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4A026A6A.8040209@picturepedia.org> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 06:58:18 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <4A01FD64.7090908@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0207E0.5010205@chucknorcutt.com> <4A022BA9.2040407@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A022BA9.2040407@chucknorcutt.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2009 04:58:19.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[70A300E0:01C9CED0] Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 06:58:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a026a7116361591313764 I don't know how to do it in practice but couldn't you apply some gaussian blur to that section. > OK, I see it now. I won't attempt to fix that. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 07:07:52 2009 Received: (qmail 25285 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 05:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 05:07:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F17CE182F8 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0922E24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995B51CD48E for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:07:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C891CD490 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:07:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 22:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50873 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1vpg-000819-E9 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:07:44 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 01:07:42 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! Thread-Index: AcnO0b/p/qBBfDrEEd6QFAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4A02697E.4010105@picturepedia.org> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 07:07:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a026ca8167203675314703 Sucks about the allergy. The cat would take care of the problem FAST. My parents had a dog that used to catch mice and rats and eat them too. He actually outdid the cat we had, it was really lazy, even for a cat. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/7/09 12:54 AM, "SwissPace" wrote: > I am allergic to cats so thats not an option, I left it an easy escape > route last evening through the hallway and out the front door for a few > hours, when I checked the room as best I could before locking up for the > night I saw no sign of fooprints in the flour I had sprinkled, I think > though (and hope) that it had already escaped as there is a tilt window > in the cellar which was open about 2-3 cm (an inch) at the top (the most > open part)and although its some 2m high there are some pipes providing a > relatively easy escape possibility. > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> Why don't you guys do it the natural way? Get a mean-ass cat. Females make >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 08:31:52 2009 Received: (qmail 12999 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 06:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 06:31:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445EBE18304 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 23:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AEAE24A99 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 23:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20841CD496 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 23:31:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CBF1CD48E for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 23:31:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 23:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from dsl-246-47-34.telkomadsl.co.za ([41.246.47.34]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 137 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 06:42:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:31:36 +0200 References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 08:31:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0280583582070262475 In my opinion, even on your two shots, the 90/2.0 renders the background beautifully soft: you have brightly-lit, hard-edged flowers in the background, most lenses would render this scene much more harshly. C.H.Ling wrote: > Sorry to break yours and many people's dream, I found the bokeh > problem of > 90/2 for quite some time but was too lazy to do a more systematic > test with > the FF sensor. Anyway here are two shots I took with the 90/2 (most > likely > at F2.8 or F4), you will see what I mean: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2164.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2166.JPG >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 09:40:06 2009 Received: (qmail 19739 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 07:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 07:40:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECA5E182F8 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 00:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65B516E0002 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 00:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9D319D93D for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 00:40:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCF419D941 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 00:40:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 00:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10644615F2 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:01:43 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <929A65E6-229B-4C95-9EF6-48A4C50975BF@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A0151EA.29213.110B896@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:39:57 +0100 References: <4A0151EA.29213.110B896@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) During the last month ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 09:40:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0290562811342116753 Well done, Brian :-) I had a quick look at your website and it's looking good. But navigating between photos is quite difficult: on viewing one photo you have to select the button on the right to go back to where you started and click on another image. Have you no way to navigate between images? Chris On 5 May 2009, at 22:01, Brian Swale wrote: > Became thoroughly fed up with the misfit of my large hand and the > small > 510 body; I was always hitting buttons that were in the wrong place by > design (exactly where my the ball of my thumb lands), and several nice > shots were screwed up as a result. My favourite photo retailer had > discounted an E-3 body to USD 1,311, so I hit the BIN button. > Delivery was > yesterday ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 10:09:13 2009 Received: (qmail 22598 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 08:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 08:09:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B2CE182F5 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEBAE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DBB19DB35 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:09:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F3819DAFB for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:09:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26838 invoked by uid 502); 7 May 2009 08:09:04 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-177-180.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.177.180) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2009 08:09:04 -0000 Message-ID: <4A029718.40700@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 01:08:56 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <27501216.4391241605793417.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01929A.5090906@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A01929A.5090906@adinet.com.uy> Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 10:09:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a029729143389347015869 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > What !? - are you still able to print Cibachrome? > > It disappeared from my country more than 10 years ago, That's because Ilford bought the process and renamed it Ilfochrome That's been the name for, as you say, many years. A friend who made and sold spectacular Cibachrome prints in his own darkroom ( I have a few) said there was no difference that he could see in the switch of name. Anyone today claiming to print Cibachrome is either using the renamed material, which is only sorta lying, makes VERY few prints or has had a huge stash in a freezer somewhere. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 10:17:49 2009 Received: (qmail 19340 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 08:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 08:17:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859DEE182E7 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DBAE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B74F19DBC5 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:17:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4B419DBDA for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:17:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Bypassed (policy server error) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43768461623 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:38:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <998AA48E-AC64-4E3D-999A-B562548141B8@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A01C6C3.2020403@interisland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:16:40 +0100 References: <4A01C6C3.2020403@interisland.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] wild flowers, second round X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 10:17:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02992d269491035110158 Thanks, Mike. The lupine and the calypso are lovely. Chris On 6 May 2009, at 18:20, Mike Lazzari wrote: > Some of the later spring flowers are showing around here. It's been a > long winter so everything is at least a few weeks to a month late. I > lost a rosemary bush this winter that was over 15 years old. Fawn > lilies, shooting stars, Blue-eyed Marys etc. are done. The camas > fields, > chocolate lilies, ranunculus etc. are in full bloom but the weather > has > to provide some good light before I can get some decent photos. Maybe > this weekend. Anyway, here are some shots of later blooming spring > flowers. I have been doing a rough selection of the subject before > applying LCE then invert the selection and apply a very little > gaussian > blur to improve the bokeh of the digital lenses. They are a bit > harsh to > my eye. Of course the 135/4.5 does fine with no adjustment needed. All > taken with the E510. Check the Ap09 directory for more foxes if you > are > interested. By the way, I had a jinfinance 4/3rds adapter fail again > after I thought I had fixed it. The screws holding the two pieces > together are too small and too few. Time for Walt glue. I was in the > sand dunes with the lens on the tripod when the body fell off so no > damage was done. Beware! > > > > calypso orchid 14~42 kit lens > > > > > > lupine 70~300 > > > > wild currant 135/4.5 (previously posted?) > > > wild plum 135/4.5 > > > > prairie star > > > > satin flower kit lens -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 10:18:24 2009 Received: (qmail 3516 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 08:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 08:18:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17E2E182FF for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05746E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFBA34AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:18:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5978234AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:18:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C9A4615FD for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:39:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:18:07 +0100 References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 10:18:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a029950237241499373980 I agree, Dawid. I can't see what the problem is. Perhaps, the out-of-focus colours might be a little more softly defined, but I like both those shots and Chuck's "refinement". Chris On 7 May 2009, at 07:31, Dawid Loubser wrote: > In my opinion, even on your two shots, the 90/2.0 renders the > background beautifully > soft: you have brightly-lit, hard-edged flowers in the background, > most lenses would > render this scene much more harshly. > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Sorry to break yours and many people's dream, I found the bokeh >> problem of >> 90/2 for quite some time but was too lazy to do a more systematic >> test with >> the FF sensor. Anyway here are two shots I took with the 90/2 (most >> likely >> at F2.8 or F4), you will see what I mean: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2164.JPG >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2166.JPG >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 10:22:11 2009 Received: (qmail 3942 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 08:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 08:22:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F38E182F9 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9ADCE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898DB19DC28 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:22:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DCF19DC10 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:21:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63606461668 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:43:08 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:21:21 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 10:22:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a029a33299363675314703 Good effort, Michael: photos and keeping up with the group! I like the idea of the identifying photo of you at the end, but you do look a little threatening :-) Perhaps you should avoid the one-foot-forward pose, and take off the hat or glasses, or both ... Chris On 5 May 2009, at 11:42, Michael Collins wrote: > I haven't been hiking since November, but Saturday's weather > convinced me to > get back out on the trails. From a 13km "warm-up" hike on the Bruce > Trail, > with white trilliums everywhere through the woods: > > > > Just hand-held with the 12-60, pretty much grab shots because these > hikes > have something in common with forced marches and you can't hold up > the rest > of the group :-( . -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 10:22:44 2009 Received: (qmail 21101 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 08:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 08:22:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B47E182FF for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E703EE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA14334AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:22:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EF534AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:22:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965F4461601 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:44:19 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4B09F67C-6B4C-4077-92F6-0E1D7B2EFA95@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9ED2CC0E-93D7-4599-BB26-E3A7AE1F5F2A@mailcan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:22:33 +0100 References: <9F95B420-F120-4A9E-A629-B935CCD3DB33@roadrunner.com> <9ED2CC0E-93D7-4599-BB26-E3A7AE1F5F2A@mailcan.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] For those who like a challenge X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 10:22:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a029a5416561744846740 Excellent! Chris On 5 May 2009, at 20:41, James R wrote: > http://www.unplggd.com/unplggd/look/best-prank-ever-reallife-dead-pixel-in-google-earth-083566 > > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 10:51:58 2009 Received: (qmail 22362 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 08:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 08:51:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED96E182DB for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F94EE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5751134AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:51:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA1134AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:51:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.155]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 01:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so406708ywr.80 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 01:51:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.123.4 with SMTP id a4mr2396697ybn.85.1241686307886; Thu, 07 May 2009 01:51:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <603735293.5479421241663353153.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <603735293.5479421241663353153.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:51:47 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e64d926b7342ce99 Message-ID: <60f983080905070151y4ef058e6hee87fbcdae3de81d@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Film users/lovers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 10:51:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02a12e87991234514069 Thanks, Don. It's useful for me :-) --- Michael 2009/5/7 Don Holbrook > Interesting article at www.photo.net/learn/film/open-letter-to-film-users. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 11:40:29 2009 Received: (qmail 15263 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 09:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 09:40:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40B3E182F7 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 02:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBADE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 02:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58CD34AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 02:40:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F41A34AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 02:40:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 02:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C622F382CE for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 02:40:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fToToczYNcBR for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 02:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5002F382BF for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 02:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4E99F7BD-1C74-4716-BC18-946B84D32C78@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 02:40:15 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Working hours X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 11:40:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02ac8d81491023412894 > From: Moose > > The really great, very rare ones, see no difference between work > and play... even sitting in a boat on Lake Tahoe, and obviously > relaxed, the Boss > was thinking and talking business. Kinda like in the movie, "Network News" ("I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!"), when Faye Dunaway talked about work right through orgasm? I hate it when that happens... no, not really. :::: You can't solve a problem with the same kind of thinking that created it in the first place. -- Albert Einstein :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 11:52:15 2009 Received: (qmail 26676 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 09:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 09:52:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F3FE182B5 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 02:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A10E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 02:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7B334AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 02:52:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF43C34AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 02:52:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-194.ctimail.com [61.93.57.194]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 02:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n479q6rq001565 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:52:07 +0800 Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n479q69G018786 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:52:06 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com><31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:52:02 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 11:52:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02af4f256521585427447 It is good to know you both don't mind this issue, I agree it is not too bad but I have another macro lens that do better in this area so I can choose it for that purpose. Actually almost every lens has its weak point, that's why I need 28 different zuikos to suit every of my needs :-) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh >I agree, Dawid. I can't see what the problem is. > > Perhaps, the out-of-focus colours might be a little more softly > defined, but I like both those shots and Chuck's "refinement". > > Chris > > On 7 May 2009, at 07:31, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> In my opinion, even on your two shots, the 90/2.0 renders the >> background beautifully >> soft: you have brightly-lit, hard-edged flowers in the background, >> most lenses would >> render this scene much more harshly. >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> Sorry to break yours and many people's dream, I found the bokeh >>> problem of >>> 90/2 for quite some time but was too lazy to do a more systematic >>> test with >>> the FF sensor. Anyway here are two shots I took with the 90/2 (most >>> likely >>> at F2.8 or F4), you will see what I mean: >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2164.JPG >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2166.JPG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 12:04:12 2009 Received: (qmail 23875 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 10:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 10:04:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31415E182F9 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65616E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA6519DE99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:04:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B1F19DE87 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:04:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21898 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 10:04:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2009 10:04:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4A02B211.7080806@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 06:04:01 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <4A01FD64.7090908@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0207E0.5010205@chucknorcutt.com> <4A023B41.409@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A023B41.409@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 12:04:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02b21c209282336821329 I had my mismatched profile warnings turned off. However, after turning them on and repeating the process PhotoShop still doesn't issue any warning so it must consider the two sRGB profiles equivalent. Be that as it may, my edited version still has greater saturation. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I (think) I know that but isn't PhotoShop supposed to query me about > conversion if it needs to be converted? Besides, CH has already said > the original is in sRGB although Fernando says the original image is > identified as sRGB 1.31(Canon) whereas my rework has the CS3 default of > sRGB IEC61966 2.1. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Ken Norton wrote: >>>> I opened it in PhotoShop and it was stored in sRGB. AFAIK there is no >>>> profile associated with the original image and PhotoShop issued no >>>> message about changing color profiles. Perhaps it was Adobe RGB to >>>> begin with? But I guess CH will have to advise on that one. >> >> When you open a file for editing within a quality editor, the file needs to >> be converted to the "internal" colorspace, which is a working colorspace >> which isn't the same as the colorspace used for file storage. When the file >> is imported it is subject to a rendering intent. The common options are: >> >> 1. Maintain Full Gamut >> 2. Preserve Saturation >> 3. Preserve Identical Colors >> 4. Preserve Identical Colors and White Point >> 5. Preserve Identical Colors and Black Point. >> >> AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 12:23:04 2009 Received: (qmail 3866 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 10:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 10:23:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37307E182C7 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F78E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F3919DF3C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:23:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3DE19DF35 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:22:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M20kj-0003ke-Hj for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:22:57 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1M20kj-0005cZ-4P for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:22:57 +0100 Message-ID: <4A02B68A.6050208@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 11:23:06 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com><31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 12:23:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02b688264311234514069 C.H.Ling wrote: > It is good to know you both don't mind this issue, I agree it is not too bad > but I have another macro lens that do better in this area so I can choose it > for that purpose. Actually almost every lens has its weak point, that's why > I need 28 different zuikos to suit every of my needs :-) > > C.H.Ling > > Very elegant statement of denial, Ling! ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 12:36:28 2009 Received: (qmail 21791 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 10:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 10:36:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF378E182FE for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C04DE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F16834AC026 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:36:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE3C34AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:36:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7179 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 10:36:21 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2009 10:36:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4A02B9A4.6030708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 06:36:20 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <4A01FD64.7090908@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0207E0.5010205@chucknorcutt.com> <4A022BA9.2040407@chucknorcutt.com> <4A026A6A.8040209@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: <4A026A6A.8040209@picturepedia.org> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 12:36:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02b9ac184542046811720 I tried various blur techniques. Applying a "radial blur" in the direction of the stem or a "smart blur" with a small radius works fairly well. Of course, you have to mask it so just the offending leaves are affected. But to merge the "double image" effect you have to use enough blurring that the leaves begin to lose their identity as leaves. If I cared enough to really recover this image I would probably (under very high magnification) "paint" in the gap with the clone tool or use a similar technique that blended the "double image" without softening the sharper outer edges of the leaves. But too much work for something that's not mine. :-) Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > I don't know how to do it in practice but couldn't you apply some > gaussian blur to that section. > > >> OK, I see it now. I won't attempt to fix that. >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 12:43:12 2009 Received: (qmail 16801 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 10:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 10:43:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47077E182F1 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCE3E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB6419DFF2 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:43:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADBC19DFE9 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:43:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n47Ah0rO015691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:43:02 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <4A01FD64.7090908@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0207E0.5010205@chucknorcutt.com> <4A022BA9.2040407@chucknorcutt.com> <4A026A6A.8040209@picturepedia.org> <4A02B9A4.6030708@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A02B9A4.6030708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:42:44 +1000 Message-ID: <001801c9cf00$8eddcce0$ac9966a0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnO/64e/59xzG0xQrCwytvvYXFyDAAALXYg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 12:43:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02bb4044401744846740 I think it's easier to switch lenses (providing you have that lens). ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Norcutt [] > Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2009 8:36 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh > > I tried various blur techniques. Applying a "radial blur" in the > direction of the stem or a "smart blur" with a small radius works > fairly > well. Of course, you have to mask it so just the offending leaves are > affected. But to merge the "double image" effect you have to use > enough > blurring that the leaves begin to lose their identity as leaves. If I > cared enough to really recover this image I would probably (under very > high magnification) "paint" in the gap with the clone tool or use a > similar technique that blended the "double image" without softening the > sharper outer edges of the leaves. But too much work for something > that's not mine. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > SwissPace wrote: > > I don't know how to do it in practice but couldn't you apply some > > gaussian blur to that section. > > > > > >> OK, I see it now. I won't attempt to fix that. > >> > >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 12:54:53 2009 Received: (qmail 22042 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 10:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 10:54:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55641E182E9 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F570E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEE719E05B for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D394F19E065 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:54:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 03:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16927 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 10:54:42 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2009 10:54:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4A02BDF0.1080908@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 06:54:40 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <4A01FD64.7090908@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0207E0.5010205@chucknorcutt.com> <4A022BA9.2040407@chucknorcutt.com> <4A026A6A.8040209@picturepedia.org> <4A02B9A4.6030708@chucknorcutt.com> <001801c9cf00$8eddcce0$ac9966a0$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <001801c9cf00$8eddcce0$ac9966a0$@com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 12:54:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02bdfd138851234514069 I assume that the 90/2 has very good bokeh in most situations. Unfortunately, with film or even with digital (unless chimping with a tethered laptop) you wouldn't know about this subtle bokeh problem until too late. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > I think it's easier to switch lenses (providing you have that lens). > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chuck Norcutt [] >> Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2009 8:36 PM >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh >> >> I tried various blur techniques. Applying a "radial blur" in the >> direction of the stem or a "smart blur" with a small radius works >> fairly >> well. Of course, you have to mask it so just the offending leaves are >> affected. But to merge the "double image" effect you have to use >> enough >> blurring that the leaves begin to lose their identity as leaves. If I >> cared enough to really recover this image I would probably (under very >> high magnification) "paint" in the gap with the clone tool or use a >> similar technique that blended the "double image" without softening the >> sharper outer edges of the leaves. But too much work for something >> that's not mine. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> SwissPace wrote: >>> I don't know how to do it in practice but couldn't you apply some >>> gaussian blur to that section. >>> >>> >>>> OK, I see it now. I won't attempt to fix that. >>>> >>>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 13:28:03 2009 Received: (qmail 23552 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 11:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 11:28:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732D7E182F6 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 04:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1434E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 04:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA28219E185 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 04:27:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19CC19DF01 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 04:27:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 04:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.58.30] (30.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.30]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639FD3DA0E9 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 23:27:49 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 23:27:50 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A036E76.14722.1AE9639@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090506-0, 06/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) During the last month ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 13:28:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02c5c3158261470116606 Hi All, Chris wrote ... > Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:39:57 +0100 > From: Chris Barker > Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) During the last month ... > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Message-ID: <929A65E6-229B-4C95-9EF6-48A4C50975BF@threeshoes.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Well done, Brian :-) > > I had a quick look at your website and it's looking good. > > But navigating between photos is quite difficult: on viewing one > photo you have to select the button on the right to go back to where you > started and click on another image. > > Have you no way to navigate between images? > > Chris Thanks for the kind words Chris. I have had nearly two weeks away during which time I could add no images. I do all the coding by hand using pure html (so far, although I might add javascript to randomly rotate a selection of images in some places). As far as I can tell, pure html gives much faster loading than any page with javascript. Maybe with broadband that doesn't matter, but here, people using broadband may be in the minority. Most are probably using dial-up, as I am. For example ( I haven't timed it) loading the home page on facebook takes 2 minutes or more - it is jam-packed with javascript. eBay is something the same. SO, to respond to your query, I haven't figured out a simple html code to take you to the next or previous image, that is simple and fool(that's me)proof. Speaking for myself, it doesn't bother me to use the button of my browser (Opera) or alternatively the gallery name. It's not far to move the mouse pointer for the latter, and since the index page is already in your browser cache, it should be almost instantaneous if you hit the gallery name. Another site which probably uses javascript is Smugmug ( I haven't checked). The pages there take for EVER to load on my machine. If anybody can tell me a clever html routine for going back, I'm interested. For what it's worth, my photo site is hosted in Singapore. If any of you have issues about download speed (considering it's not in the most convenient place in the world), I'm listening. On another tack, I interested to learn what any users think of the 12/5.6 Aspherical Ultra Wide Heliar lens' performance. Fits the Cosina- Voigtlander cameras and Leicas. Also thanks to Mike for encouragement. I might add a separate directory for larger images for the OM group. I'm not using my other site for this as it is jam-packed full. Brian Swale. Daytime phone 03 326 7447 http://www.brianswale.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 14:08:31 2009 Received: (qmail 4668 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 12:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 12:08:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAB5E182F3 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 05:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3019E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 05:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD6B34AC028 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 05:08:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6DC34AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 05:08:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 05:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.208.231]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ9003KUWDN2DW3@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 07:08:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A02CF2D.8060004@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 08:08:13 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <296895.82746.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A0194F0.2020906@picturepedia.org> In-reply-to: <4A0194F0.2020906@picturepedia.org> Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 14:08:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02cf3f112561744846740 There are baits that cause fatal dehydration. But you wouldn't want it to die inside a wall (like a mouse did here). Put out big mother spring loaded trap or use "humane" trap, then drop into a bucket of water (either way it is best if rats are dead). ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html SwissPace wrote: > I am not sure if I can find that here, I just did a google for it in > switzerland and got no proper replies, but thanks for the > suggestion, it seesm its either poison, but then you have to find the > body when it starts smelling or a snap trap or humane cage type, I > will see what our local farm store has > > Thanks > > AS wrote: >> D-con bait? I just went through mice issues about a month ago. >> D-con bait seemed to do the trick. We found them in the basement a >> few days later. >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 14:09:59 2009 Received: (qmail 8526 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 12:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 12:09:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C48E182EC for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 05:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7913E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 05:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABAD34AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 05:09:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6955D34AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 05:09:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 05:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.208.231]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJ900DJSWGC6BUP@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 07:09:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A02CF8E.6050303@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 08:09:50 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> In-reply-to: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 14:09:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02cf97211831234514069 We have a few red tulips in our front yard that have been coming up every year since I planted them 25 years ago. The red is so rich it's practically hypnotic, like your picture! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html C.H.Ling wrote: > Ken, the color is VERY impressive. Yes, the bokeh is great, I have the > impression that simple design lenses have better bokeh. For instant, the > bokeh of 135/4.5 is much better than 90/2 for close up shots, for longer > distance or higher mag. the 90/2 was ok. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > >> http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=431&Itemid=1 >> AG >> -- > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 15:32:27 2009 Received: (qmail 29211 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 13:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 13:32:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75772E182F6 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 06:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F38E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 06:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326BF19E51A for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 06:32:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8738819E451 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 06:32:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 06:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so484519ywr.80 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 06:32:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.171.13 with SMTP id t13mr4027177ane.1.1241703138575; Thu, 07 May 2009 06:32:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:32:17 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d818b5a38a17f732 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 15:32:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02e2eb7789117217770 CH (I have it bad) Ling wrote: > It is good to know you both don't mind this issue, I agree it is not too > bad > but I have another macro lens that do better in this area so I can choose > it > for that purpose. Actually almost every lens has its weak point, that's why > I need 28 different zuikos to suit every of my needs :-) > I started to scoff at that, but lost count at 10... AG (honey, you aren't talking all of that on vacation with us) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 17:30:13 2009 Received: (qmail 19435 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 15:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 15:30:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C117E182B2 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD4CE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D639919E8E6 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2ADE19E897 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:29:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.184]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so408255fkk.14 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 08:29:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.92.8 with SMTP id u8mr1742548mul.34.1241710195936; Thu, 07 May 2009 08:29:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:29:55 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c4d30a86826d904e Message-ID: <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 17:30:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a02fe85293211529615919 MANY thanks to all who provided their good suggestions, especially Michael, Sandy, Chuck and Martin.I've now sat down with a map to plan a route taking in (most of) your ideas. Really looking forward to it. Unfortunately the detour to Vancouver will have to be for the next trip John :-) You can be sure I'll be sharing some pictures later. thanks again, Jez Aside: I've found the GPS option for the 11-day car rental was more expensive than a map download for my TomTom. And that's not cheap either. Then I found I can buy a new TomTom with US/Canada pre-loaded for not much more. Razor blades and printer cartridges come to mind. Funny how we have to think sideways nowadays. 'Spose film running costs falls in the same arena... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 17:41:04 2009 Received: (qmail 7942 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 15:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 15:41:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEADE182B5 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C711E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DB534AC028 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:40:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA51534AC027 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:40:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:37552 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M25iS-0004Zt-Tp for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 10:40:57 -0500 Message-ID: <4A030102.5090708@picturepedia.org> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:40:50 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 17:41:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03011066681499373980 Yep I was testing out the feasibility of taking the film out of a koduk disposable camera using it in an OM and somehow putting it back, then I woke up! > more. Razor blades and printer cartridges come to mind. Funny how we have > to think sideways nowadays. 'Spose film running costs falls in the same > arena... > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 17:43:00 2009 Received: (qmail 12589 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 15:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 15:42:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3236CE182B7 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13339E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB2F19E91D for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:42:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5154D19E702 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:42:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f212.google.com (mail-fx0-f212.google.com [209.85.220.212]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so834743fxm.14 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 08:42:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.240.15 with SMTP id s15mr1703580mur.102.1241710972088; Thu, 07 May 2009 08:42:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49FF70B9.4000106@gmail.com> References: <20090504205309.06YTH.423194.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <49FF70B9.4000106@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:42:52 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4ac18daffaa9c763 Message-ID: <9f07ac840905070842q35226faen75113da8ca0f33df@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM sighting [was cricket] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 17:43:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03018465781470116606 So did the interlocking of the Sima and the OM produce lensbabies?Jez On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Moose wrote: > > Anyway, this confession is by way of reporting a sighting of an OM body > being used with SIMA soft focus lens at f5.6 to photograph a couple in > 'compromising positions'. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 19:16:57 2009 Received: (qmail 315 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 17:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJA001BZANGKND7@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:16:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A03176E.2000203@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:16:30 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] OT running an executable on vista X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 19:16:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a031789201491023412894 I was helping my sister with her new HP laptop which has vista as OS. I downloaded the free version of Avira Anti-Virus and saved it to a folder on the desktop. When I double clicked the install file, vista opened a window asking me "what program do you want to use to open the file" like acrobat reader or media player. What? Vista would not allow me to run the file to install the program. I looked under user accounts and my sister is the only user and is logged on as administrator. Right clicking the file does not offer the option to "run" file. Obviously I have no vista experience. What gives? ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 19:19:41 2009 Received: (qmail 970 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 17:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 17:19:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D90E182F2 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46830E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF8E19EC54 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07C619EC3F for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:19:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl03.gs02.gridserver.com (cl03.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50491 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl03.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M27Fv-0002pD-El for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 10:19:35 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:19:33 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] OT running an executable on vista Thread-Index: AcnPN/zoO2yfYDsrEd64QwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4A03176E.2000203@verizon.net> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] OT running an executable on vista X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 19:19:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03182d43171234514069 Is the software you were trying to install Vista compatible? -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/7/09 1:16 PM, "John Hermanson" wrote: > I was helping my sister with her new HP laptop which has vista as OS. I > downloaded the free version of Avira Anti-Virus and saved it to a folder > on the desktop. When I double clicked the install file, vista opened a > window asking me "what program do you want to use to open the file" like > acrobat reader or media player. What? Vista would not allow me to run > the file to install the program. I looked under user accounts and my > sister is the only user and is logged on as administrator. Right > clicking the file does not offer the option to "run" file. Obviously I > have no vista experience. What gives? > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 19:21:16 2009 Received: (qmail 2210 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 17:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 17:21:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153B9E182E9 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E6CE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318A219EC8F for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:21:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9190B19EC88 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:21:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7463 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 17:21:09 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2009 17:21:09 -0000 Message-ID: <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:21:08 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 19:21:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03188c91091023412894 I forgot to mention Letchworth State Park SSW of Rochester just west of I-390. From Niagara Falls and Buffalo you could stop there on the way to the Corning Glass Museum and then turn back north to Watkins Glen, Cornell and the Taughannock Falls State Park. I pass by it several times a year on my visits to see my son in the Buffalo area but always forget to plan for time to stop in (with camera of course) You can find all the New York State Parks and state historical sites by checking the appropriate box on this map. Chuck Norcutt Jez Cunningham wrote: > MANY thanks to all who provided their good suggestions, especially Michael, > Sandy, Chuck and Martin.I've now sat down with a map to plan a route taking > in (most of) your ideas. Really looking forward to it. > Unfortunately the detour to Vancouver will have to be for the next trip John > :-) > > You can be sure I'll be sharing some pictures later. > > thanks again, > Jez > > Aside: I've found the GPS option for the 11-day car rental was more > expensive than a map download for my TomTom. And that's not cheap either. > Then I found I can buy a new TomTom with US/Canada pre-loaded for not much > more. Razor blades and printer cartridges come to mind. Funny how we have > to think sideways nowadays. 'Spose film running costs falls in the same > arena... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 19:27:15 2009 Received: (qmail 22318 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 17:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 17:27:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F562E182E8 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1328E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A055B19ECA9 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75CA19ECB7 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:27:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11639 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 17:27:07 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT running an executable on vista X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 19:27:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0319f3184163675314703 What's the extension on the install file? Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > I was helping my sister with her new HP laptop which has vista as OS. I > downloaded the free version of Avira Anti-Virus and saved it to a folder > on the desktop. When I double clicked the install file, vista opened a > window asking me "what program do you want to use to open the file" like > acrobat reader or media player. What? Vista would not allow me to run > the file to install the program. I looked under user accounts and my > sister is the only user and is logged on as administrator. Right > clicking the file does not offer the option to "run" file. Obviously I > have no vista experience. What gives? > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 19:32:15 2009 Received: (qmail 20956 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 17:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 17:32:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB132E182FC for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201B4E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE9219ECB3 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:32:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB7B19EC96 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:32:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16190 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 17:32:08 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT running an executable on vista X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 19:32:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a031b1f309982046811720 I should also have mentioned the possibility that the file was corrupted during download. Flip a few of the right bits and the file won't be recognized for what it is (or was supposed to be). I suggest you try downloading again and see if that solves the problem. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > What's the extension on the install file? > > Chuck Norcutt > > John Hermanson wrote: >> I was helping my sister with her new HP laptop which has vista as OS. I >> downloaded the free version of Avira Anti-Virus and saved it to a folder >> on the desktop. When I double clicked the install file, vista opened a >> window asking me "what program do you want to use to open the file" like >> acrobat reader or media player. What? Vista would not allow me to run >> the file to install the program. I looked under user accounts and my >> sister is the only user and is logged on as administrator. Right >> clicking the file does not offer the option to "run" file. Obviously I >> have no vista experience. What gives? >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 19:49:54 2009 Received: (qmail 7723 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 17:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 17:49:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5469AE182F7 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FBCE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5003019ED3F for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:49:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C68519ED3D for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:49:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (deebel@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f170.google.com (mail-ew0-f170.google.com [209.85.219.170]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so1267021ewy.14 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 10:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.127.13 with SMTP id z13mr2837828ebc.13.1241718586028; Thu, 07 May 2009 10:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user4fec106f50 (cpc3-bahd1-0-0-cust443.renf.cable.ntl.com [81.99.1.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm410144ewy.111.2009.05.07.10.49.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 May 2009 10:49:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "David Bell" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com><9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:49:40 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> Thread-Index: AcnPODwW5nw0nNDcS/OHw88cfu8DnQAAxgwg Subject: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 19:49:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a031f42143611342116753 Can anyone give me advice regarding the installation of alternative operating system to Windows? Is there an advantage for a single user? How compatible is e.g. linux with Photoshop Elements? Is OpenOffice a good move? My machine is a Dell Dimension 9100 Currently have XP Home (with glitches possibly requiring re-install, so I am just considering the possibilities?) Thanks Dave Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 20:10:00 2009 Received: (qmail 1873 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 18:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 18:09:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9531E182D0 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7EAE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EA934AC02A for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:09:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D86A34AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f212.google.com (mail-fx0-f212.google.com [209.85.220.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so915093fxm.14 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:09:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.92.8 with SMTP id u8mr1837462mul.34.1241719792250; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:09:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:09:52 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: da0684874f49bb08 Message-ID: <9f07ac840905071109g4c043bfai6ca9c44dd9f33c31@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 20:10:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0323f8263131529615919 Just as "the plan was beginning to come together" (I love it when...)Thanks - we're thinking of taking that route and stopping a night somewhere in the Syracuse area... cheers jez On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I forgot to mention Letchworth State Park SSW of Rochester just west of > I-390. From Niagara Falls and Buffalo you could stop there on the way to > the Corning Glass Museum and then turn back north to Watkins Glen, > Cornell and the Taughannock Falls State Park. I pass by it several > times a year on my visits to see my son in the Buffalo area but always > forget to plan for time to stop in (with camera of course) > > > You can find all the New York State Parks and state historical sites by > checking the appropriate box on this map. > > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jez Cunningham wrote: > > MANY thanks to all who provided their good suggestions, especially > Michael, > > Sandy, Chuck and Martin.I've now sat down with a map to plan a route > taking > > in (most of) your ideas. Really looking forward to it. > > Unfortunately the detour to Vancouver will have to be for the next trip > John > > :-) > > > > You can be sure I'll be sharing some pictures later. > > > > thanks again, > > Jez > > > > Aside: I've found the GPS option for the 11-day car rental was more > > expensive than a map download for my TomTom. And that's not cheap > either. > > Then I found I can buy a new TomTom with US/Canada pre-loaded for not > much > > more. Razor blades and printer cartridges come to mind. Funny how we > have > > to think sideways nowadays. 'Spose film running costs falls in the same > > arena... > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 20:13:23 2009 Received: (qmail 5566 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 18:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 18:13:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD1FE182E7 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9AF3E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B574719EAE1 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:13:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1B019F149 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:13:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp08.online.nl (smtp08.online.nl [194.134.42.53]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp08.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411A466170 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:13:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:13:14 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:13:14 +0200 Message-ID: <2CBB52CF2E104E8D9F9EAF0E52C2E390@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp08.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 20:13:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0324c3178669117217770 I like the natural way too, but I just washed my hands after burrying our cat. She only lived for 1 year and 1 day before she got run over by a car. She was named honey and she was a real honey. Never caught anything alse than some insects. Here is a shot of her in better times: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3161137310/ Needless to say that we are all very sad. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Chris Crawford [mailto:chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com] = > Verzonden: donderdag 7 mei 2009 0:52 > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! > = > = > Why don't you guys do it the natural way? Get a mean-ass cat. = > Females make the best hunters. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, = > has killed more than 6000 rodents in her lifetime (she is 18 = > yrs old), and she has even killed two rattlesnakes! > = > = > = > -- = > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-747-3962 > = > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > = > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > = > = > On 5/6/09 6:48 PM, "Willie Wonka" wrote: > = > > Don't do that.=A0 It is cruel and it doesnt work. > > =A0 > > They chew their feet off in an attempt to escape. > > =A0 > > Use a mechanical trap that kills instantly instead.=A0 BTW = > rats are slow = > > runners, you can easily jump on him...just offering a viable=A0 > > alternative...:) > > =A0 > > Boris > > =A0 > > = > > = > > = > > = > > Subject: > > Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! > > = > > From: > > Rick Beckrich > > = > > Date: > > Wed, 6 May 2009 12:00:34 -0400 > > = > > = > > = > > = > > Purchase one of the glue pads - place it against a wall. = > This a very = > > sticky substance in a small plastic tray (3" X 5" +/-) which will = > > imobilize the critter as soon as he steps on it. Then just pick & = > > pitch. > > = > > = > > = > > = > > = > = > = > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com = > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.20/2100 - Release = > Date: 05/06/09 06:04:00 > = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 20:15:24 2009 Received: (qmail 21906 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 18:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 18:15:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA82E182CC for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3185E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C006919F1F3 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:15:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D2219F1DE for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:15:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so905399bwz.14 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:15:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.240.15 with SMTP id s15mr1792448mur.102.1241720116374; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:15:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2CBB52CF2E104E8D9F9EAF0E52C2E390@wiliam> References: <2CBB52CF2E104E8D9F9EAF0E52C2E390@wiliam> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:15:16 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 028adbbe4b229a4c Message-ID: <9f07ac840905071115q29172d93vb4458040b70aba2@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 20:15:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03253c234991823421471 Oh - so sorry to hear that. I know the feeling only too well ;-(Jez On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > I like the natural way too, but I just washed my hands after burrying > our cat. She only lived for 1 year and 1 day before she got run over by > a car. She was named honey and she was a real honey. Never caught > anything alse than some insects. Here is a shot of her in better times: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3161137310/ > > Needless to say that we are all very sad. > > Wiliam > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: Chris Crawford [mailto:chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com] > > Verzonden: donderdag 7 mei 2009 0:52 > > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > > Onderwerp: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! > > > > > > Why don't you guys do it the natural way? Get a mean-ass cat. > > Females make the best hunters. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, > > has killed more than 6000 rodents in her lifetime (she is 18 > > yrs old), and she has even killed two rattlesnakes! > > > > > > > > -- > > Chris Crawford > > Fine Art Photography > > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > 260-747-3962 > > > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > > > > On 5/6/09 6:48 PM, "Willie Wonka" wrote: > > > > > Don't do that. It is cruel and it doesnt work. > > > > > > They chew their feet off in an attempt to escape. > > > > > > Use a mechanical trap that kills instantly instead. BTW > > rats are slow > > > runners, you can easily jump on him...just offering a viable > > > alternative...:) > > > > > > Boris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! > > > > > > From: > > > Rick Beckrich > > > > > > Date: > > > Wed, 6 May 2009 12:00:34 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Purchase one of the glue pads - place it against a wall. > > This a very > > > sticky substance in a small plastic tray (3" X 5" +/-) which will > > > imobilize the critter as soon as he steps on it. Then just pick & > > > pitch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.20/2100 - Release > > Date: 05/06/09 06:04:00 > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 20:16:35 2009 Received: (qmail 13988 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 18:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 18:16:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891D0E182E9 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE91E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644B634AC029 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:16:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559F334AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:16:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mwalters@rogers.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp113.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp113.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.229]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 42001 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 18:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mwalters@99.241.188.157 with plain) by smtp113.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 18:16:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YEXtbR8VM1liV5CYgLle1TKDp5Fh3VF0W.q26C0C9wIYYZJgLD8mTLjnVND74MUadQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4A032578.1080905@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 14:16:24 -0400 From: Martin Walters User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840905071109g4c043bfai6ca9c44dd9f33c31@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840905071109g4c043bfai6ca9c44dd9f33c31@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 20:16:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0325836901470116606 Jez: You can cross to upstate NY from Gananoque/1000 Islands and head to Syracuse. Heading west from there you have the Finger Lakes area - with its wineries. Another area well worth the visit. Martin Jez Cunningham wrote: > Just as "the plan was beginning to come together" (I love it when...)Thanks > - we're thinking of taking that route and stopping a night somewhere in the > Syracuse area... > cheers > jez > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > >> I forgot to mention Letchworth State Park SSW of Rochester just west of >> I-390. From Niagara Falls and Buffalo you could stop there on the way to >> the Corning Glass Museum and then turn back north to Watkins Glen, >> Cornell and the Taughannock Falls State Park. I pass by it several >> times a year on my visits to see my son in the Buffalo area but always >> forget to plan for time to stop in (with camera of course) >> >> >> You can find all the New York State Parks and state historical sites by >> checking the appropriate box on this map. >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Jez Cunningham wrote: >>> MANY thanks to all who provided their good suggestions, especially >> Michael, >>> Sandy, Chuck and Martin.I've now sat down with a map to plan a route >> taking >>> in (most of) your ideas. Really looking forward to it. >>> Unfortunately the detour to Vancouver will have to be for the next trip >> John >>> :-) >>> >>> You can be sure I'll be sharing some pictures later. >>> >>> thanks again, >>> Jez >>> >>> Aside: I've found the GPS option for the 11-day car rental was more >>> expensive than a map download for my TomTom. And that's not cheap >> either. >>> Then I found I can buy a new TomTom with US/Canada pre-loaded for not >> much >>> more. Razor blades and printer cartridges come to mind. Funny how we >> have >>> to think sideways nowadays. 'Spose film running costs falls in the same >>> arena... >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 20:17:33 2009 Received: (qmail 27712 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 18:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 18:17:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9CEE182EA for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2844E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B321934AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:16:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1883B34AC027 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:16:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:16:30 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n47IGRKr008318 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 18:16:29 GMT Message-ID: <4064858C482A4FC788DE88DDB04393B4@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <2CBB52CF2E104E8D9F9EAF0E52C2E390@wiliam> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:16:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 20:17:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0325bd92191869477228 Beautiful cat, Wiliam. So sorry for your loss. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! >I like the natural way too, but I just washed my hands after burrying > our cat. She only lived for 1 year and 1 day before she got run over by > a car. She was named honey and she was a real honey. Never caught > anything alse than some insects. Here is a shot of her in better times: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3161137310/ > > Needless to say that we are all very sad. > > Wiliam > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: Chris Crawford [mailto:chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com] >> Verzonden: donderdag 7 mei 2009 0:52 >> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Onderwerp: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! >> >> >> Why don't you guys do it the natural way? Get a mean-ass cat. >> Females make the best hunters. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, >> has killed more than 6000 rodents in her lifetime (she is 18 >> yrs old), and she has even killed two rattlesnakes! >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Fine Art Photography >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> 260-747-3962 >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> >> On 5/6/09 6:48 PM, "Willie Wonka" wrote: >> >> > Don't do that. It is cruel and it doesnt work. >> > >> > They chew their feet off in an attempt to escape. >> > >> > Use a mechanical trap that kills instantly instead. BTW >> rats are slow >> > runners, you can easily jump on him...just offering a viable >> > alternative...:) >> > >> > Boris >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Subject: >> > Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! >> > >> > From: >> > Rick Beckrich >> > >> > Date: >> > Wed, 6 May 2009 12:00:34 -0400 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Purchase one of the glue pads - place it against a wall. >> This a very >> > sticky substance in a small plastic tray (3" X 5" +/-) which will >> > imobilize the critter as soon as he steps on it. Then just pick & >> > pitch. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.20/2100 - Release >> Date: 05/06/09 06:04:00 >> >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 20:26:37 2009 Received: (qmail 25899 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 18:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 18:26:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4900E182F8 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF284E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D609334AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:26:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC513610002 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:26:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50807 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M28Ig-0004q0-Un for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 11:26:31 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 14:26:29 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! Thread-Index: AcnPQVahlSgn7js0Ed6b8wAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840905071115q29172d93vb4458040b70aba2@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 20:26:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0327dd37151869477228 That is a cute cat. They all seem to catch and eat a lot of insects, even if they never hunt anything else! I like those striped cats, they look like wild, predator cats, but the white mittens make her look sweet and friendly. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/7/09 2:15 PM, "Jez Cunningham" wrote: > Oh - so sorry to hear that. I know the feeling only too well ;-(Jez > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > >> I like the natural way too, but I just washed my hands after burrying >> our cat. She only lived for 1 year and 1 day before she got run over by >> a car. She was named honey and she was a real honey. Never caught >> anything alse than some insects. Here is a shot of her in better times: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3161137310/ >> >> Needless to say that we are all very sad. >> >> Wiliam >> >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>> Van: Chris Crawford [mailto:chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com] >>> Verzonden: donderdag 7 mei 2009 0:52 >>> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >>> Onderwerp: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! >>> >>> >>> Why don't you guys do it the natural way? Get a mean-ass cat. >>> Females make the best hunters. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, >>> has killed more than 6000 rodents in her lifetime (she is 18 >>> yrs old), and she has even killed two rattlesnakes! >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Crawford >>> Fine Art Photography >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>> 260-747-3962 >>> >>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >>> >>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >>> >>> >>> On 5/6/09 6:48 PM, "Willie Wonka" wrote: >>> >>>> Don't do that. It is cruel and it doesnt work. >>>> >>>> They chew their feet off in an attempt to escape. >>>> >>>> Use a mechanical trap that kills instantly instead. BTW >>> rats are slow >>>> runners, you can easily jump on him...just offering a viable >>>> alternative...:) >>>> >>>> Boris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Subject: >>>> Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! >>>> >>>> From: >>>> Rick Beckrich >>>> >>>> Date: >>>> Wed, 6 May 2009 12:00:34 -0400 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Purchase one of the glue pads - place it against a wall. >>> This a very >>>> sticky substance in a small plastic tray (3" X 5" +/-) which will >>>> imobilize the critter as soon as he steps on it. Then just pick & >>>> pitch. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.20/2100 - Release >>> Date: 05/06/09 06:04:00 >>> >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 21:14:19 2009 Received: (qmail 2686 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 19:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 19:14:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD75E182F5 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA52E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C1634AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:14:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0216834AC028 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:14:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26811 invoked by uid 502); 7 May 2009 19:14:06 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-201-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.201.230) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2009 19:14:06 -0000 Message-ID: <4A0332F7.9020405@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:13:59 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A03176E.2000203@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4A03176E.2000203@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [OM] OT running an executable on vista X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 21:14:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03330b74451023412894 I've been running Vista for some time. Double clicking on downloaded .exe and .msi files always starts the run process. Vista does check the signature and ask if I really want to run this foreign, possible invader. As others have suggested, check that it's an executable file and not corrupted. By the way, Vista doesn't install with the "Run" option on the Start Menu. To get it back, right click the task bar on the bottom, select Properties, Select the Start Menu tab, click Customize and check the box about 2/3 of the way down for "Run command". Moose John Hermanson wrote: > I was helping my sister with her new HP laptop which has vista as OS. I > downloaded the free version of Avira Anti-Virus and saved it to a folder > on the desktop. When I double clicked the install file, vista opened a > window asking me "what program do you want to use to open the file" like > acrobat reader or media player. What? Vista would not allow me to run > the file to install the program. I looked under user accounts and my > sister is the only user and is logged on as administrator. Right > clicking the file does not offer the option to "run" file. Obviously I > have no vista experience. What gives? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 21:30:07 2009 Received: (qmail 6509 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 19:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 19:30:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06524E182E3 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98540E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5551834AC028 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:30:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD9634AC029 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:30:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.68]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5109 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2009 19:30:00 -0000 Message-ID: <121235.4999.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: VYW0yOEVM1l9WkVJZ_oWykOiBKq54dk9kemxyMQBCB0iUYKJCVcm1uIkydI1BL4vVN2t3IwRWXty7OcOINaJAieSIkFgSMfClsbyMS_VKO4eKdHTUUm4aR6b0hUFUuZnS59Ju3oLRREB2cE9C8Ta2q62hmUf1gan.e.Rap3IlTEZkwMBD_wIDGB1.Aii8M17pCliV29YkMPX1XJ_aR_jUaucp9JB7EtCGVeirUEXnEhfkK2ojFCCpPdFGXWvS9XglOz5i4y5SFXd7jA._LpqCbE263znRLeuaCKvor5Mb1EY7LHv7qIsVU2gb12kTiyXV17LYw-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:30:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:30:00 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Olympus M4/3 coming... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 21:30:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0336bf27431946193717 According to Get Olympus on FB: Ninety years in the making....coming Summer 2009 Not sure if you can see this: http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=85822166274&h=IEIYH&u=rNNtS&ref=nf -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 21:32:40 2009 Received: (qmail 25557 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 19:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 19:32:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E1AE182EC for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AD8E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B0734AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:32:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328F534AC026 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:32:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090507193234.YDIJ21654.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:32:34 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id ojYZ1b0044Z9Gks02jYZim; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:32:33 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OstRGtmY9x4A:10 a=oIRIalYMchcA:10 a=K3eOLG0rAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=M6JPiHRyAAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=EdkYJYXGnsJrtbsaFP4A:9 a=U20IL5Nci_x_aFNaYMAA:7 a=ift7fK-PMqAdimL-EJAFehxTsZEA:4 a=BKM11Qb7CVIA:10 a=mw0SDfYLnp8A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=ObBlVMM_owYA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:32:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 21:32:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a033758124311257536491 Wiliam, That's a great looking cat. It looks like a Maine Coon cat, of which we have several. We sign a contract with the breeders to keep the cats indoors alwaya, which we have, by and large honored. The statistics on cat lifespans shows that indoor only cats live at least twice as long as ones that go outdoors. It's not as much fun for them, I'm sure, but they adjust fine. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! > That is a cute cat. They all seem to catch and eat a lot of insects, even > if > they never hunt anything else! I like those striped cats, they look like > wild, predator cats, but the white mittens make her look sweet and > friendly. > > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-747-3962 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > On 5/7/09 2:15 PM, "Jez Cunningham" wrote: > >> Oh - so sorry to hear that. I know the feeling only too well ;-(Jez >> >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: >> >>> I like the natural way too, but I just washed my hands after burrying >>> our cat. She only lived for 1 year and 1 day before she got run over by >>> a car. She was named honey and she was a real honey. Never caught >>> anything alse than some insects. Here is a shot of her in better times: >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3161137310/ >>> >>> Needless to say that we are all very sad. >>> >>> Wiliam >>> >>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>> Van: Chris Crawford [mailto:chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com] >>>> Verzonden: donderdag 7 mei 2009 0:52 >>>> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >>>> Onderwerp: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! >>>> >>>> >>>> Why don't you guys do it the natural way? Get a mean-ass cat. >>>> Females make the best hunters. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, >>>> has killed more than 6000 rodents in her lifetime (she is 18 >>>> yrs old), and she has even killed two rattlesnakes! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Crawford >>>> Fine Art Photography >>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>>> 260-747-3962 >>>> >>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >>>> >>>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/6/09 6:48 PM, "Willie Wonka" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Don't do that. It is cruel and it doesnt work. >>>>> >>>>> They chew their feet off in an attempt to escape. >>>>> >>>>> Use a mechanical trap that kills instantly instead. BTW >>>> rats are slow >>>>> runners, you can easily jump on him...just offering a viable >>>>> alternative...:) >>>>> >>>>> Boris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Subject: >>>>> Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! >>>>> >>>>> From: >>>>> Rick Beckrich >>>>> >>>>> Date: >>>>> Wed, 6 May 2009 12:00:34 -0400 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Purchase one of the glue pads - place it against a wall. >>>> This a very >>>>> sticky substance in a small plastic tray (3" X 5" +/-) which will >>>>> imobilize the critter as soon as he steps on it. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2102 - Release Date: 05/07/09 05:57:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 21:36:49 2009 Received: (qmail 14460 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 19:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 19:36:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9268DE182FC for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6833BE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5232434AC029 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:36:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A0434AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16451 invoked by uid 502); 7 May 2009 19:36:42 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-201-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.201.230) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2009 19:36:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4A033847.5020702@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:36:39 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com><31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 21:36:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03385112081744846740 C.H.Ling wrote: > It is good to know you both don't mind this issue, I agree it is not too bad but I have another macro lens that do better in this area so I can choose it for that purpose. Actually almost every lens has its weak point, that's why I need 28 different zuikos to suit every of my needs :-) > Darn! What a piker I am, with only 20 different Zuikos. :-) The total is higher than that, due to duplicates. Anybody need a 50/1.4 SC, 50/1.8, 75-150/4, 50/3.5 MC, 35-70/3.5-4.5? Where did that third 75-150 come from? Are they breeding? If so, why not a baby 50/3.5 or multiple new standard 50mms? I do have 20+ non-Zuiko OM mount lenses, though. Not sure exactly how many, as I see a couple on the list that I'm sure I sold, but apparently didn't update on the list. Where did all these lenses come from, anyway? ;-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 21:44:01 2009 Received: (qmail 23658 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 19:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 19:44:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13931E182EF for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33EFE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988D319F5DB for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:43:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1EA19F543 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:43:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so616896ywr.80 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:43:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.107.17 with SMTP id f17mr6310135anc.82.1241725432196; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:43:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A033847.5020702@gmail.com> References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A033847.5020702@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:43:52 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 797e81004083ee68 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 21:44:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a033a0168561838542571 They're hanging with the hangers again. 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 21:47:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a033ab99551073733319 There isn't anything from Adobe that is compatible with Linux. And, even if there was, just as there are different run time versions of PhotoShop for Windows and Macs, it would require a different set of application object code for Linux. You can, however, create a dual boot machine or possibly (just a wild guess on my part) run Windows as a virtual machine under Linux. But this won't save you from a reinstall. It will just cause you to do two... more difficult installs. The closest thing to PhotoShop for Linux is called the GIMP. You'd have to take an extensive look at it to see if it would meet your needs. The only thing I care about is that it's not PhotoShop and I don't have much desire to redo my four years of learning how to use (a small part of) PhotoShop. It is also possible to (using magic unknown to me) install GIMP under Windows. But before you decide to do anything along these lines I would suggest you read this page. What you see here is typical of Linux/Unix application speak. If you don't understand what's on this page don't go there. It always amazes me that the free software and Linux crowd doesn't seem to understand why people stick with Windows. This page is the perfect example (and I even used to was an operating system development guy) Most folks haven't even a clue about dealing with Windows let alone Linux. On the other hand I think OpenOffice is fine. The only downside I've seen is that it's a little slower on the initial load of the day if Java hasn't been started yet. I run it on XP and have completely displaced all Microsoft Office applications. I haven't had any conversion problems but then I never used much but Word and Excel and was not a sophisticated user of either. You can choose to convert into OpenOffice formats or you can leave your docs in original form or even write new docs in Microsoft formats. I've been slowly converting to OpenOffice formats as I encounter old docs. It also does well in creating PDF files. I don't think Word did that but I never had any MS Office apps later than '97 vintage. Chuck Norcutt David Bell wrote: > Can anyone give me advice regarding the installation of alternative > operating system to Windows? > > Is there an advantage for a single user? > > How compatible is e.g. linux with Photoshop Elements? > Is OpenOffice a good move? > > My machine is a Dell Dimension 9100 > > Currently have XP Home (with glitches possibly requiring re-install, so I am > just considering the possibilities?) > > Thanks > > Dave > > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 21:48:05 2009 Received: (qmail 11594 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 19:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 19:48:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F647E182F4 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445AAE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376CD34AC029 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:48:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD16B34AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:47:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so614130yxf.80 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:47:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.211.11 with SMTP id j11mr6243958ang.101.1241725678172; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:47:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <121235.4999.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <121235.4999.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:47:58 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0ec1de11d15bfe2e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus M4/3 coming... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 21:48:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a033af5203341702588592 For more info... http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=427&Itemid=1 AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 21:50:32 2009 Received: (qmail 13967 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 19:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 19:50:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D208BE182D1 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95278E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7714534AC027 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:50:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28FA34AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:50:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090507195025085.FOPH19662@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:50:25 +0000 Message-Id: <35E5E343-D504-4137-8864-10C5764C6647@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <2CBB52CF2E104E8D9F9EAF0E52C2E390@wiliam> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:50:24 -0400 References: <2CBB52CF2E104E8D9F9EAF0E52C2E390@wiliam> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 21:50:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a033b88137651035110158 Wonderful image. Sorry to hear about your loss. --Bob On May 7, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > I like the natural way too, but I just washed my hands after burrying > our cat. She only lived for 1 year and 1 day before she got run over > by > a car. She was named honey and she was a real honey. Never caught > anything alse than some insects. Here is a shot of her in better > times: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3161137310/ > > Needless to say that we are all very sad. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 22:19:00 2009 Received: (qmail 27888 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 20:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 20:18:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DFBE18300 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACC3E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF6319F7B1 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:18:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EE819F72F for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:18:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl26.gs02.gridserver.com (cl26.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.35]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50502 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl26.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2A3S-0000vH-1l for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 13:18:54 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 16:18:49 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh Thread-Index: AcnPUQf7RoeVOjtEEd6LBwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4A033847.5020702@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 22:19:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a034234304642336821329 If I had the money I'd pick up a 35-70 3.5-4.5, I hear it is a decent lens and it is so SMALL. Would make a nice walk-around lens I think. I think a 50/1.4 silvernose would be fun to try too, since people say they have a different look than the newer versions. I'll probably never buy one of those, people on ebay are still charging $70+ for old silvernose 50/1.4 lenses which is about what I paid for my >1,100,000 50/1.4 that is said to be a lot sharper. Someday I'll probably pick up one of the 35-70's though, they usually go cheap. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/7/09 3:36 PM, "Moose" wrote: > C.H.Ling wrote: >> It is good to know you both don't mind this issue, I agree it is not too bad >> but I have another macro lens that do better in this area so I can choose it >> for that purpose. Actually almost every lens has its weak point, that's why I >> need 28 different zuikos to suit every of my needs :-) >> > > Darn! What a piker I am, with only 20 different Zuikos. :-) > > The total is higher than that, due to duplicates. Anybody need a 50/1.4 > SC, 50/1.8, 75-150/4, 50/3.5 MC, 35-70/3.5-4.5? > > Where did that third 75-150 come from? Are they breeding? If so, why not > a baby 50/3.5 or multiple new standard 50mms? > > I do have 20+ non-Zuiko OM mount lenses, though. Not sure exactly how > many, as I see a couple on the list that I'm sure I sold, but apparently > didn't update on the list. > > Where did all these lenses come from, anyway? ;-) > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 22:27:38 2009 Received: (qmail 3193 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 20:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 20:27:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A782E182FC for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1398E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C433434AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:27:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F7734AC029 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:27:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27493 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 20:27:31 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 22:27:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03443a319481499373980 Sorry to hear about that. But you've got a cover photo class shot to remember her by. Chuck Norcutt Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > I like the natural way too, but I just washed my hands after burrying > our cat. She only lived for 1 year and 1 day before she got run over by > a car. She was named honey and she was a real honey. Never caught > anything alse than some insects. Here is a shot of her in better times: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3161137310/ > > Needless to say that we are all very sad. > > Wiliam > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: Chris Crawford [mailto:chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com] >> Verzonden: donderdag 7 mei 2009 0:52 >> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Onderwerp: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! >> >> >> Why don't you guys do it the natural way? Get a mean-ass cat. >> Females make the best hunters. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, >> has killed more than 6000 rodents in her lifetime (she is 18 >> yrs old), and she has even killed two rattlesnakes! >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Fine Art Photography >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> 260-747-3962 >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> >> On 5/6/09 6:48 PM, "Willie Wonka" wrote: >> >>> Don't do that. It is cruel and it doesnt work. >>> >>> They chew their feet off in an attempt to escape. >>> >>> Use a mechanical trap that kills instantly instead. BTW >> rats are slow >>> runners, you can easily jump on him...just offering a viable >>> alternative...:) >>> >>> Boris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Subject: >>> Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! >>> >>> From: >>> Rick Beckrich >>> >>> Date: >>> Wed, 6 May 2009 12:00:34 -0400 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Purchase one of the glue pads - place it against a wall. >> This a very >>> sticky substance in a small plastic tray (3" X 5" +/-) which will >>> imobilize the critter as soon as he steps on it. Then just pick & >>> pitch. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.20/2100 - Release >> Date: 05/06/09 06:04:00 >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 22:43:03 2009 Received: (qmail 30992 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 20:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 20:43:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5B9E182F4 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12D8E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED6219F95E for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:42:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE9B19F95C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:42:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so598614anc.35 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 13:42:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.177.15 with SMTP id z15mr6471939ane.27.1241728965823; Thu, 07 May 2009 13:42:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A033847.5020702@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:42:45 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 480527c97960778b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 22:43:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0347d7278601585427447 The old 50/1.4 was extremely sharp in the center, but the edges suffered. The later version was less sharp in the center but nearly uniform to the corners. I used to have a 50/1.4, but sold it. Haven't really missed it. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 22:46:35 2009 Received: (qmail 3973 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 20:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 20:46:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D81E182EF for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D747E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829D619F96E for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:46:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0CE19F96C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:46:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10012 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 20:46:27 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 22:46:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0348ab382070262475 It's just curious that we had to go through a Facebook link in order to get to an Olympus page which has been around for quite a while. Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > According to Get Olympus on FB: > > Ninety years in the making....coming Summer 2009 > > Not sure if you can see this: > > http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=85822166274&h=IEIYH&u=rNNtS&ref=nf > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 23:05:14 2009 Received: (qmail 26690 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 21:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 21:05:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCEDE182B5 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6D6E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF1A19F76F for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:05:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAF419F6C2 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:05:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24450 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 21:05:06 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2009 21:05:06 -0000 Message-ID: <4A034D01.7040400@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:05:05 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com><31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A033847.5020702@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A033847.5020702@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 23:05:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a034d0a227411023412894 I don't need another 50/1.8. I just gave one away with my only known good OM-G to a high school kid who will be studying photography soon. I also gave away 1/2 dozen rolls of film and a Vivitar flash. I hope he actually uses it. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > C.H.Ling wrote: >> It is good to know you both don't mind this issue, I agree it is not too bad but I have another macro lens that do better in this area so I can choose it for that purpose. Actually almost every lens has its weak point, that's why I need 28 different zuikos to suit every of my needs :-) >> > > Darn! What a piker I am, with only 20 different Zuikos. :-) > > The total is higher than that, due to duplicates. Anybody need a 50/1.4 > SC, 50/1.8, 75-150/4, 50/3.5 MC, 35-70/3.5-4.5? > > Where did that third 75-150 come from? Are they breeding? If so, why not > a baby 50/3.5 or multiple new standard 50mms? > > I do have 20+ non-Zuiko OM mount lenses, though. Not sure exactly how > many, as I see a couple on the list that I'm sure I sold, but apparently > didn't update on the list. > > Where did all these lenses come from, anyway? ;-) > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 23:36:54 2009 Received: (qmail 2548 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 21:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 21:36:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98F0E182DB for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A515E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024C919F9C9 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:36:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC5119F60E for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:36:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (deebel@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f170.google.com (mail-ew0-f170.google.com [209.85.219.170]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so1423398ewy.14 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.43.11 with SMTP id q11mr3157094ebq.59.1241732205027; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user4fec106f50 (cpc3-bahd1-0-0-cust443.renf.cable.ntl.com [81.99.1.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 27sm199389ewy.3.2009.05.07.14.36.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 May 2009 14:36:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "David Bell" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com><9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <4A033AAC.9050809@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:36:39 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnPTJrmUlD2Z8EwRVipJGzwSG3fMgADoxkg In-Reply-To: <4A033AAC.9050809@chucknorcutt.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 23:36:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03547677317927319144 Chuck, Thanks for the detailed reply. I am out of my league as regards the GIMP related links and I do not wish to compromise my limited Photoshop comfort zone. An XP reinstall is the way forward I suspect. I do like OpenOffice and I like the idea of an up to date integrated product without the Microsoft moneypit. Thanks Dave -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] Sent: 07 May 2009 20:47 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. There isn't anything from Adobe that is compatible with Linux. And, even if there was, just as there are different run time versions of PhotoShop for Windows and Macs, it would require a different set of application object code for Linux. You can, however, create a dual boot machine or possibly (just a wild guess on my part) run Windows as a virtual machine under Linux. But this won't save you from a reinstall. It will just cause you to do two... more difficult installs. The closest thing to PhotoShop for Linux is called the GIMP. You'd have to take an extensive look at it to see if it would meet your needs. The only thing I care about is that it's not PhotoShop and I don't have much desire to redo my four years of learning how to use (a small part of) PhotoShop. It is also possible to (using magic unknown to me) install GIMP under Windows. But before you decide to do anything along these lines I would suggest you read this page. What you see here is typical of Linux/Unix application speak. If you don't understand what's on this page don't go there. It always amazes me that the free software and Linux crowd doesn't seem to understand why people stick with Windows. This page is the perfect example (and I even used to was an operating system development guy) Most folks haven't even a clue about dealing with Windows let alone Linux. On the other hand I think OpenOffice is fine. The only downside I've seen is that it's a little slower on the initial load of the day if Java hasn't been started yet. I run it on XP and have completely displaced all Microsoft Office applications. I haven't had any conversion problems but then I never used much but Word and Excel and was not a sophisticated user of either. You can choose to convert into OpenOffice formats or you can leave your docs in original form or even write new docs in Microsoft formats. I've been slowly converting to OpenOffice formats as I encounter old docs. It also does well in creating PDF files. I don't think Word did that but I never had any MS Office apps later than '97 vintage. Chuck Norcutt David Bell wrote: > Can anyone give me advice regarding the installation of alternative > operating system to Windows? > > Is there an advantage for a single user? > > How compatible is e.g. linux with Photoshop Elements? > Is OpenOffice a good move? > > My machine is a Dell Dimension 9100 > > Currently have XP Home (with glitches possibly requiring re-install, so I am > just considering the possibilities?) > > Thanks > > Dave > > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 23:37:48 2009 Received: (qmail 30423 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 21:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 21:37:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40550E182EE for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8992CE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7518034AC027 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:37:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE5B34AC028 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:37:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16381 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 21:37:40 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2009 21:37:40 -0000 Message-ID: <4A0354A3.4090106@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:37:39 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 23:37:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0354ac81211342116753 Despite having about 20 OM mount lenses, in the last year or two of when I was actively shooting film my walkaround kit was an OM-2s and a 35-50/3.5-4.5 along with a Kiron 70-150/4. Very compact and light, would fit into my smallest case and was suitable for most situations. There are probably a couple in this Minuteman Park series done on the 70-150 but the majority are with the 35-70. Minuteman park lies between Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts not far from where I used to live. Some photos were taken there and others are either in Lexington or Concord. #9 is Lexington Green where the first shots of the revolutionary war were fired. The bridge in the series is "The Old North Bridge" in Concord, the scene of the second conflict of the day when the British attempted to cross the bridge in search of weapons caches. The houses shown are located in Minuteman Park and are important for having played some role in the battle during the retreat of the British back to Boston. As you can tell from the mile marker stone they had a long way to go whilst being sniped at continuously from the woods all the way back and suffering heavy losses Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > If I had the money I'd pick up a 35-70 3.5-4.5, I hear it is a decent lens > and it is so SMALL. Would make a nice walk-around lens I think. I think a > 50/1.4 silvernose would be fun to try too, since people say they have a > different look than the newer versions. I'll probably never buy one of > those, people on ebay are still charging $70+ for old silvernose 50/1.4 > lenses which is about what I paid for my >1,100,000 50/1.4 that is said to > be a lot sharper. Someday I'll probably pick up one of the 35-70's though, > they usually go cheap. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu May 7 23:55:30 2009 Received: (qmail 18639 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 21:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 21:55:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989EDE182D4 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDAEE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433833610002 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:55:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FAE34AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:55:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28810 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 21:55:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 May 2009 21:55:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4A0358CA.7060907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:55:22 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com><9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <4A033AAC.9050809@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 7 23:55:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0358d266221234514069 Just curious to know what XP is doing or not doing that you think it needs a reinstall. I haven't had to use it since Win 2000 days but there the install CD had a "repair" option that was less drastic than a full install. It gave you a fighting chance to preserve all of the files and customization that you would have created since the original install. If you system is still limping along press F1 (help) on the desktop background and search on "repair overview" to see what options are available to you. If it's not running but you can otherwise get access to the internet and Microsoft's web site you should be able to find equivalent info about XP on-line. In any case, if you end up sticking the install CD into the drive look for any kind of repair option short of full install. Do a full install only as a last resort. Chuck Norcutt David Bell wrote: > Chuck, > > Thanks for the detailed reply. I am out of my league as regards the GIMP > related links and I do not wish to compromise my limited Photoshop comfort > zone. > > An XP reinstall is the way forward I suspect. I do like OpenOffice and I > like the idea of an up to date integrated product without the Microsoft > moneypit. > > Thanks > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] > Sent: 07 May 2009 20:47 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. > > There isn't anything from Adobe that is compatible with Linux. And, > even if there was, just as there are different run time versions of > PhotoShop for Windows and Macs, it would require a different set of > application object code for Linux. You can, however, create a dual boot > machine or possibly (just a wild guess on my part) run Windows as a > virtual machine under Linux. But this won't save you from a reinstall. > It will just cause you to do two... more difficult installs. > > The closest thing to PhotoShop for Linux is called the GIMP. You'd have > to take an extensive look at it to see if it would meet your needs. The > only thing I care about is that it's not PhotoShop and I don't have much > desire to redo my four years of learning how to use (a small part of) > PhotoShop. It is also possible to (using magic > unknown to me) install GIMP under Windows. But before you decide to do > anything along these lines I would suggest you read this page. > > What you see here is typical of Linux/Unix application speak. If you > don't understand what's on this page don't go there. It always amazes > me that the free software and Linux crowd doesn't seem to understand why > people stick with Windows. This page is the perfect example (and I even > used to was an operating system development guy) Most folks haven't even > a clue about dealing with Windows let alone Linux. > > On the other hand I think OpenOffice is fine. The only downside I've > seen is that it's a little slower on the initial load of the day if Java > hasn't been started yet. I run it on XP and have completely displaced > all Microsoft Office applications. I haven't had any conversion > problems but then I never used much but Word and Excel and was not a > sophisticated user of either. You can choose to convert into OpenOffice > formats or you can leave your docs in original form or even write new > docs in Microsoft formats. I've been slowly converting to OpenOffice > formats as I encounter old docs. It also does well in creating PDF > files. I don't think Word did that but I never had any MS Office apps > later than '97 vintage. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > David Bell wrote: >> Can anyone give me advice regarding the installation of alternative >> operating system to Windows? >> >> Is there an advantage for a single user? >> >> How compatible is e.g. linux with Photoshop Elements? >> Is OpenOffice a good move? >> >> My machine is a Dell Dimension 9100 >> >> Currently have XP Home (with glitches possibly requiring re-install, so I > am >> just considering the possibilities?) >> >> Thanks >> >> Dave >> >> >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 00:02:46 2009 Received: (qmail 30701 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 22:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 22:02:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1D6E182B2 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980F2E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEC534AC028 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:02:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE40534AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:02:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp09.online.nl (smtp09.online.nl [194.134.42.54]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp09.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0531E027 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 00:02:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 00:02:33 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 00:02:32 +0200 Message-ID: <909496086405491AA0113791F5F6BCF4@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp09.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 00:02:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a035a8644241838542571 Might a system repair from a certain date under XP do the trick? Saves a lot of time compared to full reinstall. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: David Bell [mailto:deebel@googlemail.com] > Verzonden: donderdag 7 mei 2009 23:37 > Aan: 'Olympus Camera Discussion' > Onderwerp: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. > > > Chuck, > > Thanks for the detailed reply. I am out of my league as > regards the GIMP related links and I do not wish to > compromise my limited Photoshop comfort zone. > > An XP reinstall is the way forward I suspect. I do like > OpenOffice and I like the idea of an up to date integrated > product without the Microsoft moneypit. > > Thanks > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] > Sent: 07 May 2009 20:47 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. > > There isn't anything from Adobe that is compatible with Linux. And, > even if there was, just as there are different run time versions of > PhotoShop for Windows and Macs, it would require a different set of > application object code for Linux. You can, however, create > a dual boot > machine or possibly (just a wild guess on my part) run Windows as a > virtual machine under Linux. But this won't save you from a > reinstall. > It will just cause you to do two... more difficult installs. > > The closest thing to PhotoShop for Linux is called the GIMP. > You'd have > to take an extensive look at it to see if it would meet your > needs. The > only thing I care about is that it's not PhotoShop and I > don't have much > desire to redo my four years of learning how to use (a small part of) > PhotoShop. It is also possible to > (using magic > unknown to me) install GIMP under Windows. But before you > decide to do > anything along these lines I would suggest you read this > page. > What you see here is typical of Linux/Unix application speak. If you > don't understand what's on this page don't go there. It > always amazes > me that the free software and Linux crowd doesn't seem to > understand why > people stick with Windows. This page is the perfect example > (and I even > used to was an operating system development guy) Most folks > haven't even > a clue about dealing with Windows let alone Linux. > > On the other hand I think OpenOffice is fine. The only downside I've > seen is that it's a little slower on the initial load of the > day if Java > hasn't been started yet. I run it on XP and have completely > displaced > all Microsoft Office applications. I haven't had any conversion > problems but then I never used much but Word and Excel and was not a > sophisticated user of either. You can choose to convert into > OpenOffice > formats or you can leave your docs in original form or even write new > docs in Microsoft formats. I've been slowly converting to OpenOffice > formats as I encounter old docs. It also does well in creating PDF > files. I don't think Word did that but I never had any MS > Office apps > later than '97 vintage. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > David Bell wrote: > > Can anyone give me advice regarding the installation of alternative > > operating system to Windows? > > > > Is there an advantage for a single user? > > > > How compatible is e.g. linux with Photoshop Elements? > > Is OpenOffice a good move? > > > > My machine is a Dell Dimension 9100 > > > > Currently have XP Home (with glitches possibly requiring > re-install, > > so I > am > > just considering the possibilities?) > > > > Thanks > > > > Dave > > > > > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.20/2100 - Release > Date: 05/07/09 05:57:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 00:14:16 2009 Received: (qmail 12615 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 22:14:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 22:14:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0CAE182D1 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBECAE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCA734AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:14:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4B634AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:14:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp06.online.nl (smtp06.online.nl [194.134.42.51]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp06.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp06.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455369610E for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 00:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp06.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 00:14:08 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 00:14:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4A034432.2020605@chucknorcutt.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp06.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Honey (was [OT] - how do you catch a rat!) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 00:14:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a035d3828511869477228 A big thank you to Jez, Jim, Chris, Bill, Bob and Chuck for showing their sympathy. I know it's only an animal, but still it is a member of the family also. Especially since we decided to get a cat in the house to pull us through the hard time we had last year when my father and my mother in law died on the same day. Honey really comforted us with her presence alone. Bill, I understand your point about keeping cats in the house, but is not the way we like to keep our animals. As far as possible we let them live with us and go in and out of the house. I would not like to live indoors only either. It would also involve making a special room for the cat only since I guess it has to relieve it's energy somewhere and preferably not my furniture or curtains. She lived to become 1 year and 1 day only. I know however she had a good life however short it was. Wiliam -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 00:17:28 2009 Received: (qmail 21271 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 22:17:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 22:17:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9909E18316 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7ACE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B2E34AC029 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D8434AC027 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl26.gs02.gridserver.com (cl26.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.35]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50482 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl26.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Bu3-0003rF-Rs for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:17:20 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 18:17:18 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh Thread-Index: AcnPYZVG05TRsTtUEd6GowAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 00:17:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a035df873991993019900 I've had two different 50/1.4 lenses. My first one was a black nose, non MC version. Serial number 692912. I don't use it to take pictures because I dropped it and damaged the rear element several yrs ago (Damn!). I later got the latest version if the 50/1.4, the >1,100,000 serial number version. I think the first one I had was what you're calling the later version that is uniform all over but less sharp. I always thought my mij version 50/1.8 was a better lens. The newest 1.4, however, is a far better lens than the first one I had, it is sharper and still uniform. It is sharp even wide open. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/7/09 4:42 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > The old 50/1.4 was extremely sharp in the center, but the edges suffered. > The later version was less sharp in the center but nearly uniform to the > corners. I used to have a 50/1.4, but sold it. Haven't really missed it. > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 00:18:51 2009 Received: (qmail 11527 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 22:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 22:18:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA0CE182DD for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8655DE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E0519FA3F for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:18:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3818519FA1F for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:18:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl03.gs02.gridserver.com (cl03.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50505 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl03.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2BvR-0006GA-JF for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:18:46 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 18:18:43 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh Thread-Index: AcnPYcfwBqLgTjtVEd6GowAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4A034D01.7040400@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 00:18:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a035e4b284691023412894 That was a nice gift. My first 'good' camera was an OM-G with a 50/1.8 that I got when I was 11 yrs old. My dad had one like it that he had taught me to use before that, and I used it so much that he got me one of my own so that he could have his back! -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/7/09 5:05 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > I don't need another 50/1.8. I just gave one away with my only known > good OM-G to a high school kid who will be studying photography soon. I > also gave away 1/2 dozen rolls of film and a Vivitar flash. I hope he > actually uses it. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Moose wrote: >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> It is good to know you both don't mind this issue, I agree it is not too bad >>> but I have another macro lens that do better in this area so I can choose it >>> for that purpose. Actually almost every lens has its weak point, that's why >>> I need 28 different zuikos to suit every of my needs :-) >>> >> >> Darn! What a piker I am, with only 20 different Zuikos. :-) >> >> The total is higher than that, due to duplicates. Anybody need a 50/1.4 >> SC, 50/1.8, 75-150/4, 50/3.5 MC, 35-70/3.5-4.5? >> >> Where did that third 75-150 come from? Are they breeding? If so, why not >> a baby 50/3.5 or multiple new standard 50mms? >> >> I do have 20+ non-Zuiko OM mount lenses, though. Not sure exactly how >> many, as I see a couple on the list that I'm sure I sold, but apparently >> didn't update on the list. >> >> Where did all these lenses come from, anyway? ;-) >> >> Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 00:19:44 2009 Received: (qmail 3062 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 22:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 22:19:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34266E182FA for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546DEE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BF319FA44 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:19:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C058519FA1F for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:19:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl03.gs02.gridserver.com (cl03.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 15:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50506 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl03.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2BwH-0006xC-BB for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:19:37 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 18:19:35 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh Thread-Index: AcnPYebvJYfK6jtVEd6GowAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4A0354A3.4090106@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 00:19:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a035e80296841585427447 I like those pics, they look great. The building with the wood -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! siding shows no distortion, nice for a zoom! On 5/7/09 5:37 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > Despite having about 20 OM mount lenses, in the last year or two of when > I was actively shooting film my walkaround kit was an OM-2s and a > 35-50/3.5-4.5 along with a Kiron 70-150/4. Very compact and light, > would fit into my smallest case and was suitable for most situations. > There are probably a couple in this Minuteman Park series done on the > 70-150 but the majority are with the 35-70. Minuteman park lies between > Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts not far from where I used to live. > Some photos were taken there and others are either in Lexington or > Concord. > > #9 is Lexington Green where the first shots of the revolutionary war > were fired. The bridge in the series is "The Old North Bridge" in > Concord, the scene of the second conflict of the day when the British > attempted to cross the bridge in search of weapons caches. The houses > shown are located in Minuteman Park and are important for having played > some role in the battle during the retreat of the British back to > Boston. As you can tell from the mile marker stone they had a long way > to go whilst being sniped at continuously from the woods all the way > back and suffering heavy losses > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> If I had the money I'd pick up a 35-70 3.5-4.5, I hear it is a decent lens >> and it is so SMALL. Would make a nice walk-around lens I think. I think a >> 50/1.4 silvernose would be fun to try too, since people say they have a >> different look than the newer versions. I'll probably never buy one of >> those, people on ebay are still charging $70+ for old silvernose 50/1.4 >> lenses which is about what I paid for my >1,100,000 50/1.4 that is said to >> be a lot sharper. Someday I'll probably pick up one of the 35-70's though, >> they usually go cheap. >> >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 01:01:23 2009 Received: (qmail 10127 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 23:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 23:01:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30198E182E1 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2699EE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B6E19FAA5 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:01:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF47519FAA2 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:01:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imo-m22.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a03683635c; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:01:10 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c1f.5daf8801 (37139) for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA031-5c6f4a03682b199; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:01:02 -0400 Received: from MBLK-M13 (mblk-m13.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.46]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB035-5c6f4a03682b199; Thu, 07 May 2009 19:00:59 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:00:59 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42949-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.46) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 07 May 2009 19:00:59 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9D7ED275B5DF-16A4-B24@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 01:01:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a036843228721744846740 Wasn't that where you took the OO shots? I recall you used Kod UC100. I don't think my Z. 75-150 gets out much these days but the Kiron may be different. I find I get out the Z 85 F2 for portrait type stuff but the Z. zoom wasn't bad as a back-up. Perhaps CH has even used it on the OM 5DMK11. Mike Chuck wrote: Despite having about 20 OM mount lenses, in the last year or two of when I was actively shooting film my walkaround kit was an OM-2s and a 35-50/3.5-4.5 along with a Kiron 70-150/4. Very compact and light, would fit into my smallest case and was suitable for most situations. There are probably a couple in this Minuteman Park series done on the 70-150 but the majority are with the 35-70. Minuteman park lies between Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts not far from where I used to live. Some photos were taken there and others are either in Lexington or Concord. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 01:26:17 2009 Received: (qmail 5151 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 23:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 23:26:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012BCE182C7 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7EBE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F075419FADF for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:26:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581E119FACE for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:26:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25279 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 23:26:08 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 01:26:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a036e1827031257536491 Good memory. Yes, this series was shot for the Oly Odyssey and I think 4 from this set were used. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Wasn't that where you took the OO shots? I recall you used Kod UC100. > I don't think my Z. 75-150 gets out much these days but the Kiron may > be different. > I find I get out the Z 85 F2 for portrait type stuff but the Z. zoom > wasn't bad as a back-up. > Perhaps CH has even used it on the OM 5DMK11. > Mike > > > Chuck wrote: > > Despite having about 20 OM mount lenses, in the last year or two of > when > I was actively shooting film my walkaround kit was an OM-2s and a > 35-50/3.5-4.5 along with a Kiron 70-150/4. Very compact and light, > would fit into my smallest case and was suitable for most situations. > There are probably a couple in this Minuteman Park series done on the > 70-150 but the majority are with the 35-70. Minuteman park lies > between > Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts not far from where I used to live. > Some photos were taken there and others are either in Lexington or > Concord. > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 01:36:33 2009 Received: (qmail 25407 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 23:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 23:36:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA28E182CC for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A398BE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1A619FA15 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:36:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915A419FAFC for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:36:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n47NaMFW027892 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:36:22 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <4A01FD64.7090908@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0207E0.5010205@chucknorcutt.com> <4A023B41.409@chucknorcutt.com> <4A02B211.7080806@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 07:36:15 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 01:36:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a037081256749117217770 The image I posted was directly converted with Canyon DPP, I had lots of images went to PS in the pass and didn't found any color difference. I just re-save the image with PS again and got the same result: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2166-PS.JPG Original: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2166.JPG My color setting is: Monitor Color Working Spaces: RGB: Monitor RGB -sRGB IEC61966-2.1 C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" >I had my mismatched profile warnings turned off. However, after turning > them on and repeating the process PhotoShop still doesn't issue any > warning so it must consider the two sRGB profiles equivalent. Be that > as it may, my edited version still has greater saturation. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I (think) I know that but isn't PhotoShop supposed to query me about >> conversion if it needs to be converted? Besides, CH has already said >> the original is in sRGB although Fernando says the original image is >> identified as sRGB 1.31(Canon) whereas my rework has the CS3 default of >> sRGB IEC61966 2.1. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Ken Norton wrote: >>>>> I opened it in PhotoShop and it was stored in sRGB. AFAIK there is no >>>>> profile associated with the original image and PhotoShop issued no >>>>> message about changing color profiles. Perhaps it was Adobe RGB to >>>>> begin with? But I guess CH will have to advise on that one. >>> >>> When you open a file for editing within a quality editor, the file needs >>> to >>> be converted to the "internal" colorspace, which is a working colorspace >>> which isn't the same as the colorspace used for file storage. When the >>> file >>> is imported it is subject to a rendering intent. The common options are: >>> >>> 1. Maintain Full Gamut >>> 2. Preserve Saturation >>> 3. Preserve Identical Colors >>> 4. Preserve Identical Colors and White Point >>> 5. Preserve Identical Colors and Black Point. >>> >>> AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 01:52:59 2009 Received: (qmail 29759 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 23:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 23:52:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EA0E18174 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FA5E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC5519FB2D for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:52:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD93F19FB36 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:52:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8804 invoked by uid 504); 7 May 2009 23:52:49 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 01:52:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03745b323511234514069 Sorry for all the consternation. I just repeated your load/save/load process and didn't see any difference either. Then I loaded the modified image... and didn't see any difference either... anymore. My eyes must have been playing tricks on me this morning. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > The image I posted was directly converted with Canyon DPP, I had lots of > images went to PS in the pass and didn't found any color difference. I just > re-save the image with PS again and got the same result: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2166-PS.JPG > > Original: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2166.JPG > > My color setting is: Monitor Color > > Working Spaces: RGB: Monitor RGB -sRGB IEC61966-2.1 > > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> I had my mismatched profile warnings turned off. However, after turning >> them on and repeating the process PhotoShop still doesn't issue any >> warning so it must consider the two sRGB profiles equivalent. Be that >> as it may, my edited version still has greater saturation. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> I (think) I know that but isn't PhotoShop supposed to query me about >>> conversion if it needs to be converted? Besides, CH has already said >>> the original is in sRGB although Fernando says the original image is >>> identified as sRGB 1.31(Canon) whereas my rework has the CS3 default of >>> sRGB IEC61966 2.1. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> Ken Norton wrote: >>>>>> I opened it in PhotoShop and it was stored in sRGB. AFAIK there is no >>>>>> profile associated with the original image and PhotoShop issued no >>>>>> message about changing color profiles. Perhaps it was Adobe RGB to >>>>>> begin with? But I guess CH will have to advise on that one. >>>> When you open a file for editing within a quality editor, the file needs >>>> to >>>> be converted to the "internal" colorspace, which is a working colorspace >>>> which isn't the same as the colorspace used for file storage. When the >>>> file >>>> is imported it is subject to a rendering intent. The common options are: >>>> >>>> 1. Maintain Full Gamut >>>> 2. Preserve Saturation >>>> 3. Preserve Identical Colors >>>> 4. Preserve Identical Colors and White Point >>>> 5. Preserve Identical Colors and Black Point. >>>> >>>> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 01:55:56 2009 Received: (qmail 4774 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2009 23:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 May 2009 23:55:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D67CE182E9 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062BAE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C932134AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:55:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D5634AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:55:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n47NtlET000619 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:55:48 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <92A534D7D77A421B81EEE3ADF4C24158@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB9D7ED275B5DF-16A4-B24@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 07:55:41 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 01:55:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03750c124981470116606 I only used the OM 75-150 once with the 5D II, it is a bit short on FF and I didn't have any event that can make use this range yet. I used the 75-150 a lot on 10D and E-1 in the pass, it is small and the range was good for my purpose. I purchased a 65-200 again, I had one many years ago but sold due to the fog element issue, it require cleaning every three months. The 65-200 is a sharper lens although the handling is not that good. If I need to shoot fast 75-150 is the best among all Zuiko zoom I have, the focus is smooth and light. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:00 AM Subject: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh > Wasn't that where you took the OO shots? I recall you used Kod UC100. > I don't think my Z. 75-150 gets out much these days but the Kiron may > be different. > I find I get out the Z 85 F2 for portrait type stuff but the Z. zoom > wasn't bad as a back-up. > Perhaps CH has even used it on the OM 5DMK11. > Mike > > > Chuck wrote: > > Despite having about 20 OM mount lenses, in the last year or two of > when > I was actively shooting film my walkaround kit was an OM-2s and a > 35-50/3.5-4.5 along with a Kiron 70-150/4. Very compact and light, > would fit into my smallest case and was suitable for most situations. > There are probably a couple in this Minuteman Park series done on the > 70-150 but the majority are with the 35-70. Minuteman park lies > between > Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts not far from where I used to live. > Some photos were taken there and others are either in Lexington or > Concord. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 02:04:09 2009 Received: (qmail 15448 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 00:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 00:04:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3288FE182CC for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E26E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910B81CD495 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:04:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016D01CD490 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:04:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJA00AXYTIOUTI1@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:04:00 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-165-8.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.165.8]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:04:00 -0300 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 21:04:03 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <300C6121937947C8B95FEB172EB6C135@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkQLAAwUA0oY4KUI/2dsb2JhbACBSoh2xgEHg3gF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,313,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="523148800" References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 02:04:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0376f8193741702588592 Jez ......... Not mentioned to date is that southern Ontario produces some excellent red and white table wines. Along with the excellent red and whites from the Okanagan Valley in south central British Columbia [our home for several years in the 80's and 90s] these wines are every bit as good as the best from California, Washington and Oregon, and Chile. Your hosts in Ontario might find time to visit a winery and have you enjoy a sample of what the Canadian wine business has offer. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June > MANY thanks to all who provided their good suggestions, especially > Michael, > Sandy, Chuck and Martin.I've now sat down with a map to plan a route > taking > in (most of) your ideas. Really looking forward to it. > Unfortunately the detour to Vancouver will have to be for the next trip > John > :-) > > You can be sure I'll be sharing some pictures later. > > thanks again, > Jez > > Aside: I've found the GPS option for the 11-day car rental was more > expensive than a map download for my TomTom. And that's not cheap either. > Then I found I can buy a new TomTom with US/Canada pre-loaded for not much > more. Razor blades and printer cartridges come to mind. Funny how we > have > to think sideways nowadays. 'Spose film running costs falls in the same > arena... > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 02:07:34 2009 Received: (qmail 25824 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 00:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 00:07:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACD7E182F7 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93551E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8823734AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:07:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B4C34AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:07:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJA00AWJTOGV2I1@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:07:28 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-165-8.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.165.8]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 07 May 2009 21:07:30 -0300 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 21:07:32 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkQLAL8UA0oY4KUI/2dsb2JhbACBSoh2xgQHg3gF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,313,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="486380724" References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840905071109g4c043bfai6ca9c44dd9f33c31@mail.gmail.com> <4A032578.1080905@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 02:07:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0377c652521591313764 That also happens to be the biggest cross US / Canada border cigarette smuggling route on the map ! Aren't both side of the border at that point adjoining Indian reserves ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Walters" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June > Jez: > You can cross to upstate NY from Gananoque/1000 Islands and head to > Syracuse. Heading west from there you have the Finger Lakes area - with > its wineries. Another area well worth the visit. > > Martin > > Jez Cunningham wrote: >> Just as "the plan was beginning to come together" (I love it >> when...)Thanks >> - we're thinking of taking that route and stopping a night somewhere in >> the >> Syracuse area... >> cheers >> jez >> >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Chuck Norcutt >> >> wrote: >> >>> I forgot to mention Letchworth State Park SSW of Rochester just west of >>> I-390. From Niagara Falls and Buffalo you could stop there on the way to >>> the Corning Glass Museum and then turn back north to Watkins Glen, >>> Cornell and the Taughannock Falls State Park. I pass by it several >>> times a year on my visits to see my son in the Buffalo area but always >>> forget to plan for time to stop in (with camera of course) >>> >>> >>> You can find all the New York State Parks and state historical sites by >>> checking the appropriate box on this map. >>> >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> Jez Cunningham wrote: >>>> MANY thanks to all who provided their good suggestions, especially >>> Michael, >>>> Sandy, Chuck and Martin.I've now sat down with a map to plan a route >>> taking >>>> in (most of) your ideas. Really looking forward to it. >>>> Unfortunately the detour to Vancouver will have to be for the next trip >>> John >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> You can be sure I'll be sharing some pictures later. >>>> >>>> thanks again, >>>> Jez >>>> >>>> Aside: I've found the GPS option for the 11-day car rental was more >>>> expensive than a map download for my TomTom. And that's not cheap >>> either. >>>> Then I found I can buy a new TomTom with US/Canada pre-loaded for not >>> much >>>> more. Razor blades and printer cartridges come to mind. Funny how we >>> have >>>> to think sideways nowadays. 'Spose film running costs falls in the >>>> same >>>> arena... >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 02:12:42 2009 Received: (qmail 10244 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 00:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 00:12:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E34E182E6 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2BEE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA7A34AC026 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:12:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB8E34AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:12:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-m07.mx.aol.com (imr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a0378e6200; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:12:22 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c5e.552c7d44 (34934) for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA047-5c4a4a0378de25c; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:12:18 -0400 Received: from MBLK-M13 (mblk-m13.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.46]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA018-5c4a4a0378de25c; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:12:14 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:12:14 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.139 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42949-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.46) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 07 May 2009 20:12:14 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9D88C63BAB9B-16A4-E26@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 02:12:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0378fa315281838542571 Thanks for the comments, CH. I should get it out to play more. I do remember nailing the focus quite often with the two touch zoom. Come to think of it the bokeh wasn't half bad either. Mike I only used the OM 75-150 once with the 5D II, it is a bit short on FF and I didn't have any event that can make use this range yet. I used the 75-150 a lot on 10D and E-1 in the pass, it is small and the range was good for my purpose. I purchased a 65-200 again, I had one many years ago but sold due to the fog element issue, it require cleaning every three months. The 65-200 is a sharper lens although the handling is not that good. If I need to shoot fast 75-150 is the best among all Zuiko zoom I have, the focus is smooth and light. C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 02:30:18 2009 Received: (qmail 30600 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 00:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 00:30:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58B4E182D4 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC8CE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1B134AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B15634AC027 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-m12.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a037d0d1db; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:30:05 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.cd4.4bd290d1 (37032) for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.148]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB022-5c5f4a037d0417e; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:30:01 -0400 Received: from MBLK-M13 (mblk-m13.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.46]) by smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB015-5c5f4a037d0417e; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:29:57 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:29:56 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42949-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.46) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 07 May 2009 20:29:56 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 02:30:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a037d1a195911993019900 With all this bokeh talk is it the Z. 100 f2 that has the most consistently smooth bokeh? Clearly foregorund/background distance all effect this complex lens character along with aperture shape, focal length, spherical aberrations. Highly corrected flat field lenses seem to have a heck of a time rendering nice bokeh like the Z. 50 f3.5 macro. The F2 flavor does better at the price of some sharpness in the corners as CH points out. The Z. 135 f4 macro is no slouch though with close backgrounds the CV 125 SL apo Lanthar has a smoother rendering. I was suprised that the Z 85 F2 despite being a small gem (doubling as a mini macro kit with ext tubes) can have busier bokeh than I had anticipated. Longer FL's always seem to have an easier time, perhaps due to the physics and a narrower limited background to start. If one opened up the contest to non-Zuikos in OM mount on FF (film or dig), I think the CV 90/3.5 and the 125 both would be in the running. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 02:31:01 2009 Received: (qmail 6089 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 00:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 00:30:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F76CE182C8 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E6AE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB5C19FB7B for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:30:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF87F19FB7A for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:30:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30584 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2009 00:30:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090506-0, 05/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 02:31:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a037d45253261702588592 This is the only one right on the border and it adjoins their brethren on the other side. Check the smuggling entry Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > That also happens to be the biggest cross US / Canada border cigarette > smuggling route on the map ! > > Aren't both side of the border at that point adjoining Indian reserves ? > > jh > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Walters" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June > > >> Jez: >> You can cross to upstate NY from Gananoque/1000 Islands and head to >> Syracuse. Heading west from there you have the Finger Lakes area - with >> its wineries. Another area well worth the visit. >> >> Martin >> >> Jez Cunningham wrote: >>> Just as "the plan was beginning to come together" (I love it >>> when...)Thanks >>> - we're thinking of taking that route and stopping a night somewhere in >>> the >>> Syracuse area... >>> cheers >>> jez >>> >>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> wrote: >>>> I forgot to mention Letchworth State Park SSW of Rochester just west of >>>> I-390. From Niagara Falls and Buffalo you could stop there on the way to >>>> the Corning Glass Museum and then turn back north to Watkins Glen, >>>> Cornell and the Taughannock Falls State Park. I pass by it several >>>> times a year on my visits to see my son in the Buffalo area but always >>>> forget to plan for time to stop in (with camera of course) >>>> >>>> >>>> You can find all the New York State Parks and state historical sites by >>>> checking the appropriate box on this map. >>>> >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> Jez Cunningham wrote: >>>>> MANY thanks to all who provided their good suggestions, especially >>>> Michael, >>>>> Sandy, Chuck and Martin.I've now sat down with a map to plan a route >>>> taking >>>>> in (most of) your ideas. Really looking forward to it. >>>>> Unfortunately the detour to Vancouver will have to be for the next trip >>>> John >>>>> :-) >>>>> >>>>> You can be sure I'll be sharing some pictures later. >>>>> >>>>> thanks again, >>>>> Jez >>>>> >>>>> Aside: I've found the GPS option for the 11-day car rental was more >>>>> expensive than a map download for my TomTom. And that's not cheap >>>> either. >>>>> Then I found I can buy a new TomTom with US/Canada pre-loaded for not >>>> much >>>>> more. Razor blades and printer cartridges come to mind. Funny how we >>>> have >>>>> to think sideways nowadays. 'Spose film running costs falls in the >>>>> same >>>>> arena... >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 02:34:30 2009 Received: (qmail 7950 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 00:34:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 00:34:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B15E182E8 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CD7E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A8E19FB80 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:34:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5F919FB82 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:34:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so713433ywr.80 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:34:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.134.16 with SMTP id h16mr7057061and.0.1241742863128; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:34:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:34:03 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 02:34:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a037e16302161838542571 2009/5/8 David Bell : > > Can anyone give me advice regarding the installation of alternative > operating system to Windows? Note, I have two workstations at home, being a Fujitsu laptop I use most of the time (generally just for web-browsing) and an iMac upstairs mostly used for photo processing. Recently I decided, on the basis of "a change is as good as a holiday", to install Ubuntu on my lappy as the sole OS. Ubuntu is probably the best-known "popular" flavour of Linux: http://www.ubuntu.com/ Installation involved downloading it, burning it to a CD, and bunging it on the lappy and rebooting. Some very simple questions, and I was up & running with no compatibility problems (I mention this last as compatibility problems do occur). It was the quickest, most painless install of an OS I have ever performed. Whenever I've reinstalled Windows XP I am driven nuts by the repeated rebooting and security updates, but that's coming from early version Windows XP disks. Note that I *like* Windows XP. I had no desire to upgrade to Vista, not because of the criticism that went on, but because my visceral reaction on using it was [blech!] (an "anchovies" reaction rather than anything reasoned). As mentioned, my lappy is predominantly used as a web-browser/netbook, so my requirements of Ubuntu are limited (and Ubuntu is probably overkill itself). Once I'm into the web-browser, Firefox, the main thing I noticed about Ubuntu compared to Windows XP was that I didn't notice anything. However, I'd note that Firefox, Open Office and The Gimp come pre-installed with the Ubuntu installation, so for those two items - the only ones I am likely to also use the lappy for - I needed to do nothing. Ubuntu tries to make it easy to install new software. In the main "Applications" menu of the desktop (sort of like "Start" in Windows XP) there's an "Add/Remove..." item which looks in some online repositories for a whole heap of software you might want, and sectionalises them (Games, Graphics, Office, etc.) while also just letting you search for something. Installing The Gimp or Open Office (if they weren't already installed) is as easy as checking their boxes and then hitting the "Apply Changes" button. As a bonus, software installed this way is periodically checked by Ubuntu for any updates. It is possible to run Photoshop under Ubuntu using Wine ("Wine Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer"). Wine is easily installed as per the above paragraph. However, I am not completely sure of how compatible it is (within and with each version), what it's performance is like, and what you might have to do to get it working. It may "just work", but you'd need to check. Here's a link to the Wine Wiki which might help you with that avenue of enquiry: http://wiki.winehq.org/AdobePhotoshop The Gimp may be an alternative, though it's probably one you wish to try first. It can be installed under Windows with a simple installer provided: http://www.gimp.org/windows/ Note that you don't have to install Ubuntu to try out the OS. You can try it out by running it from the CD. I've never done this, and so I imagine there might be a performance hit, but that should not be a worry for just trying it out. I've used Open Office on occasion, and because my requirements are simple (word processor, spreadsheet...simple documents), I found it pretty much no different to MS Office. This isn't a criticism of MS Office, but rather a notation that I suspect for a lot of people, high-end office suites are overkill (be it MS Office or OpenOffice). I tend to use Google Docs myself, on the rare occasions I do have a need for such. Again, OpenOffice is available for Windows, so you can try it out too. It's all pretty cheap. ;) Also, the latest version of Ubuntu (9.04, also called Jaunty Jackalope) is only just out, and if you look around your local newsagent, you *might* find it included as one of the CD's the computer mags often have stuck to their covers. I mean the above as notes of experience rather than recommendation. I've had no problems transferring to Ubuntu with my own requirements, and I certainly find it to be predominantly a pretty "polished" and user-friendly OS. The support network is quite large, and I've found answers to small questions I've had with a quick Google. I still will use XP for some things (eg. the Australian Taxation Office still requires you be running Windows to use its Tax Return software), and, as mentioned, quite like it as an OS, never having experienced any significant problems with it on my lappy. Ubuntu is different, though not significantly so as to be a problem (or, rather, the same problems I've had with it - to do with familiarity - are the same problems I had with OSX when I bought my iMac last year). I'd give it a burl, even if in a "non-destructive" way, just to see what you think, if you're so inclined to look at a non-MS OS. Although I'm not a "power-user" of any OS, if you have any specific questions (eg. other software availability), feel free to email me direct and I'll go looking for information. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz http://www.parknmeter.com/gallery -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 02:36:48 2009 Received: (qmail 13409 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 00:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 00:36:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC824E182C8 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA2CE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356CC34AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:36:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D9234AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:36:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.156]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so714117ywr.80 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:36:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.247.4 with SMTP id u4mr5325420anh.9.1241743002131; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:36:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:36:22 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 02:36:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a037e9f92591823421471 2009/5/8 Marc Lawrence : Oh, and one other thing...just to affirm what Chuck and Wiliam said, if you can "Repair" your Windows install, give that a try. It's got to be better than a complete re-install if it's successful. :) Cheers, Marc -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 02:37:25 2009 Received: (qmail 25163 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 00:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 00:37:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD88E182B7 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEE2E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FA319FB89 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:37:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924E619FB88 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:37:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl33.gs02.gridserver.com (cl33.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.42]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50996 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl33.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2E5X-0007wK-2p for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:37:19 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:37:17 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? Thread-Index: AcnPdSN4YeK9/DtoEd61RQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 02:37:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a037ec5115411023412894 I have both the 85/2 and the 100/2.8. I have never seen a 100/2 in person...lol I will say that I agree with you on the 85 having sometimes harsh bokeh. The 100/2.8 is a bit better. The 85 isn't bad, just not awesome. I just tested a Minolta 85mm f1.7 that I got a few months ago cheap ($50 at the local camera shop in nearly perfect condition!). It has a bit smoother bokeh than the Zuiko 85 (my Oly 85 is one of the newer black-nose MC versions), but the lens is HUGE and HEAVY. I am having trouble with the old Minolta SRT 101 that I am using it on. I think the camera needs adjusting because I am getting consistant backfocusing with it with both the 85mm and the 50mm minolta lenses I have. My shots with the 85 zuiko are always dead-on focused sharp. I need to get another Minolta body to test the Minolta lenses with. All in all, given the huge size and weight of the Minolta lens, and the giant size and weight of the SRT body, I don't think the bokeh is that much better than the zuiko 85 to give up the small OM-4T and small lens. The image quality difference is really small. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/7/09 8:29 PM, "usher99@aol.com" wrote: > With all this bokeh talk is it the Z. 100 f2 that has the most > consistently smooth bokeh? Clearly foregorund/background distance all > effect this complex lens character along with aperture shape, focal > length, spherical aberrations. Highly corrected flat field lenses seem > to have a heck of a time rendering nice bokeh like the Z. 50 f3.5 > macro. The F2 flavor does better at the price of some sharpness in the > corners as CH points out. > The Z. 135 f4 macro is no slouch though with close backgrounds the CV > 125 SL apo Lanthar has a smoother rendering. I was suprised that the > Z 85 F2 despite being a small gem (doubling as a mini macro kit with > ext tubes) can have busier bokeh than I had anticipated. Longer FL's > always seem to have an easier time, perhaps due to the physics and a > narrower limited background to start. > > If one opened up the contest to non-Zuikos in OM mount on FF (film or > dig), I think the CV 90/3.5 and the 125 both would be in the running. > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 02:48:47 2009 Received: (qmail 7935 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 00:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 00:48:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709CFE182F3 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F42EE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E02534AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:48:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7812134AC026 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:48:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 17:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so717572ywr.80 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:48:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.92.2 with SMTP id p2mr7070064anb.7.1241743721717; Thu, 07 May 2009 17:48:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:48:41 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0e4510da2c6aa777 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 02:48:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03816f81545368819438 You'd also have to factor in digital or film photography. The 100/2.8 bokeh is AWESOME on film, not so much on digital. The 35/2.8 bokeh is downright romantic in either format. The 50/1.8 gives nice shallow DoF on digital and bokeh is reasonable, but the 50/3.5 has much nicer bokeh on digital than it does on film. The 300/4.5 is out of this world in either format. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 03:02:52 2009 Received: (qmail 9341 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 01:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 01:02:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D459E182DF for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 18:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA82E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 18:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B339234AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 18:02:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B59F34AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 18:02:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.156]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 18:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so715407yxf.80 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 18:02:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.113.11 with SMTP id l11mr2353852agc.7.1241744564398; Thu, 07 May 2009 18:02:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A033AAC.9050809@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <4A033AAC.9050809@chucknorcutt.com> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:02:23 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 03:02:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0384bc160151257536491 09/5/8 Chuck Norcutt : > ... > ... > =A0It is also possible to (using magic > unknown to me) install GIMP under Windows. No magic is required. A simple installer for Windows is available here: http://www.gimp.org/windows/ It's really no more complicated than any other software install for Windows. >=A0But before you decide to do > anything along these lines I would suggest you read this page. > > What you see here is typical of Linux/Unix application speak. =A0If you > don't understand what's on this page don't go there. This seems like unnecessary FUD to me, Chuck. As mentioned, the installer above is about as simple as any other. The very first link in your link takes you to the relevant download I mention above, and the rest of the stuff on that page (I don't know how you got there, but the bottom of the Gimp's homepage has a direct link to the Windows download area) is related to developers. "Free" (or GPL'd) software by its nature has areas dedicated to development and developers, seeing as you are able to obtain source and develop and package it as you desire, and so the "Linux application speak" there is no more of a necessity to understand than a subscription and understanding of Microsoft TechNet bulletins is required to use MS Office. To suggest that not understanding the "speak" on this page is sufficient to avoid The Gimp does not seem an accurate representation of reality (or, if you are more broadly referring to Linux, then see my post on Ubuntu). I will say that I am not a big fan of The Gimp's UI. As with Vista, this is likely an "anchovies" thing rather than a criticism. Still, the price is good, and on the rare occasions I need something beyond what Apple Aperture provides, The Gimp provides (it also runs in OS X :) ). Cheers, Marc -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 03:59:44 2009 Received: (qmail 17250 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 01:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 01:59:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E05E182FB for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 18:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD95E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 18:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E848734AC026 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 18:59:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539C734AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 18:59:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts36.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 18:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip4.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.87]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090508015938.DEMW1757.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip4.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:59:38 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlYCAAkvA0pGGI1q/2dsb2JhbAAIz3iDfwU Received: from bas4-toronto46-1176014186.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([70.24.141.106]) by toip4.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 07 May 2009 22:12:23 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 21:59:37 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Trip to Canada in June Thread-Index: AcnPgKPw4kvikjtzEd6HgwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <300C6121937947C8B95FEB172EB6C135@hudson> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 03:59:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03921066671823421471 On 5/7/09 8:04 PM, John Hudson wrote: > Jez ......... Not mentioned to date is that southern Ontario produces some > excellent red and white table wines. Along with the excellent red and whites > from the Okanagan Valley in south central British Columbia [our home for > several years in the 80's and 90s] these wines are every bit as good as the > best from California, Washington and Oregon, and Chile. > > Your hosts in Ontario might find time to visit a winery and have you enjoy a > sample of what the Canadian wine business has offer. > > jh "Niagara wine beats French and California vintages" Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 04:04:12 2009 Received: (qmail 28979 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 02:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 02:04:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DA8E182DB for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C750E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1973319FC2F for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:04:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE9619FC2D for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:04:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip6.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.125]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090508020406.WKFM5758.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip6.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:04:06 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlYCAEArA0pGGI1q/2dsb2JhbAAI0AyDfwU Received: from bas4-toronto46-1176014186.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([70.24.141.106]) by toip6.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 07 May 2009 21:57:29 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 22:04:02 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike Thread-Index: AcnPgUHkgHJFEDt0Ed6HgwAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 04:04:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03931c178641838542571 On 5/7/09 4:21 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > ... but you do look a little threatening :-) > > Perhaps you should avoid the one-foot-forward pose, and take off the > hat or glasses, or both ... > > Chris At least they're not bovver boots ;-) . KEEN Canada, a footwear maker, is donating $5 per pair of boots photographed on any part of the Bruce Trail, to the Bruce Trail Conservancy, to a maximum of $75,000 this year. So that was my little $5 contribution to the cause! I'm a gentle sort 'cept when I'm not... Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 04:08:16 2009 Received: (qmail 1754 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 02:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 02:08:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B1DE182C7 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25BDE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA1C34AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:08:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF6234AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:08:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n48285hK022678 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:08:05 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <9A083DE70EE3434AAB272503E0B4D81F@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:07:53 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 04:08:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a039410199081591313764 May be I wasn't wrote very clear, both 90/2 and 50/2 has flat field performance at infinity and the 50/1.4s not so. To add more I just took sample images from 50/1.4 SC, 50/1.4 MC, 50/2 and 50/3.5. Oh! Sorry, I have no 50/1.8. All taken with tripod, liveview, 2s shutter delay, on FF 5D II of course. 50/1.4 SC, S/N 56xxxx (F1.4 and F2.8) http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3655_5014SC_F14.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3656_5014SC_F28.JPG 50/1.4 MC, S/N 109xxxx http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3657_5014MC_F14.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3658_5014MC_F28.JPG 50/2 Macro http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3659_50F2_F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3660_50F2_F4.JPG 50/3.5 Macro MC http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3661_5035_F35.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3662_5035_F56.JPG It seems that both my 50/1.4 MC and SC have very similar performance, don't tell me the MC with 1,1xx,xxx number is better, I don't want to purchase another 50mm lens ;-) For the bokeh, I will try to compare them later. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? > With all this bokeh talk is it the Z. 100 f2 that has the most > consistently smooth bokeh? Clearly foregorund/background distance all > effect this complex lens character along with aperture shape, focal > length, spherical aberrations. Highly corrected flat field lenses seem > to have a heck of a time rendering nice bokeh like the Z. 50 f3.5 > macro. The F2 flavor does better at the price of some sharpness in the > corners as CH points out. > The Z. 135 f4 macro is no slouch though with close backgrounds the CV > 125 SL apo Lanthar has a smoother rendering. I was suprised that the > Z 85 F2 despite being a small gem (doubling as a mini macro kit with > ext tubes) can have busier bokeh than I had anticipated. Longer FL's > always seem to have an easier time, perhaps due to the physics and a > narrower limited background to start. > > If one opened up the contest to non-Zuikos in OM mount on FF (film or > dig), I think the CV 90/3.5 and the 125 both would be in the running. > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 04:14:55 2009 Received: (qmail 22887 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 02:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 02:14:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E550E182D4 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA2FE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE6C19FC3E for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:14:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9099219FC2D for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:14:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n482EnUn024086 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:14:49 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <7A41C39BA4C849768AC82002C57BB282@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:14:44 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 04:14:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03959f101923675314703 I believe the difference is not digital or film, it is due to different sensor size and the general magnification you usually shoot. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > You'd also have to factor in digital or film photography. The 100/2.8 > bokeh > is AWESOME on film, not so much on digital. The 35/2.8 bokeh is downright > romantic in either format. The 50/1.8 gives nice shallow DoF on digital > and > bokeh is reasonable, but the 50/3.5 has much nicer bokeh on digital than > it > does on film. The 300/4.5 is out of this world in either format. > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 04:56:42 2009 Received: (qmail 11535 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 02:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 02:56:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F1FE182B2 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66CEE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AF734AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:56:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FA034AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:56:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23500 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2009 02:56:34 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2009 02:56:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4A039F61.2010905@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 22:56:33 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <4A033AAC.9050809@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090507-0, 05/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 04:56:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a039f6a112349347015869 I called it "magic" because there is no information given regarding how it works. An "installer" does not make code written for a different operating system work on another one. It was in attempting to trace down what the "installer" actually does that I ran into all the programmer speak without discovering anything useful. I will not install something alien on my system without some degree of understanding of what it's actually doing. Chuck Norcutt Marc Lawrence wrote: > 09/5/8 Chuck Norcutt : >> ... >> ... >> It is also possible to (using magic >> unknown to me) install GIMP under Windows. > > No magic is required. A simple installer for Windows is available here: > > http://www.gimp.org/windows/ > > It's really no more complicated than any other software install for Windows. > >> But before you decide to do >> anything along these lines I would suggest you read this page. >> >> What you see here is typical of Linux/Unix application speak. If you >> don't understand what's on this page don't go there. > > This seems like unnecessary FUD to me, Chuck. As mentioned, the > installer above is about as simple as any other. The very first link > in your link takes you to the relevant download I mention above, and > the rest of the stuff on that page (I don't know how you got there, > but the bottom of the Gimp's homepage has a direct link to the Windows > download area) is related to developers. "Free" (or GPL'd) software by > its nature has areas dedicated to development and developers, seeing > as you are able to obtain source and develop and package it as you > desire, and so the "Linux application speak" there is no more of a > necessity to understand than a subscription and understanding of > Microsoft TechNet bulletins is required to use MS Office. To suggest > that not understanding the "speak" on this page is sufficient to avoid > The Gimp does not seem an accurate representation of reality (or, if > you are more broadly referring to Linux, then see my post on Ubuntu). > > I will say that I am not a big fan of The Gimp's UI. As with Vista, > this is likely an "anchovies" thing rather than a criticism. Still, > the price is good, and on the rare occasions I need something beyond > what Apple Aperture provides, The Gimp provides (it also runs in OS X > :) ). > > Cheers, > Marc -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 05:04:23 2009 Received: (qmail 8308 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 03:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 03:04:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC162E182EA for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A727DE24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879E419FC86 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:04:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168E119FC91 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:04:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-m07.mx.aol.com (imr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a03a12a319; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:04:10 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c73.503b9bd5 (37062) for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 23:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.152]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB048-5bc64a03a1211a9; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:04:08 -0400 Received: from webmail-mf02 (webmail-mf02.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.215]) by smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB015-5bc64a03a1211a9; Thu, 07 May 2009 23:04:01 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 23:04:01 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.200 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42949-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.215) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 07 May 2009 23:04:01 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9DA0C58C9CE2-1394-2564@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 05:04:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03a13769258512572685 Yep, I grew up very close to the Niagara escarpment. There is a very narrow micro-climate that is particularly good for some wines. The "icewines" have been noted for many moons (too sweet, IMO, but it is a dessert wine IIRC) but the vineyards clearly are becoming quite skilled. I sometimes bring back a bottle or two. Mike Your hosts in Ontario might find time to visit a winery and have you enjoy a > sample of what the Canadian wine business has offer. > > jh "Niagara wine beats French and California vintages" -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 05:30:33 2009 Received: (qmail 32052 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 03:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 03:30:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFE4E182EB for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F47AE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A34734AC026 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:30:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B812B34AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:30:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so2645665gxk.14 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:30:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.91.9 with SMTP id o9mr2699368agb.29.1241753426220; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:30:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A039F61.2010905@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <4A033AAC.9050809@chucknorcutt.com> <4A039F61.2010905@chucknorcutt.com> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:30:06 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 05:30:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03a759243231869477228 2009/5/8 Chuck Norcutt : > I called it "magic" because there is no information given regarding how > it works. =A0An "installer" does not make code written for a different > operating system work on another one. =A0It was in attempting to trace > down what the "installer" actually does that I ran into all the > programmer speak without discovering anything useful. =A0I will not > install something alien on my system without some degree of > understanding of what it's actually doing. That seems an explanation for your use of the word "magic" that I can relate to, though I don't think it precludes general use by "most folks". They have little interest in such "technical" matters, but just want to install the program (any program - MS Office, Photoshop, Thunderbird, and so on...). A simple installer is provided for those folks. Cheers, Marc -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 05:36:14 2009 Received: (qmail 2695 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 03:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 03:36:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9199E182B5 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC59E24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3836119FCD1 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:36:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AB319FCCD for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:36:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 20:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.86]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n483a6mE006280 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:36:07 +1000 Message-Id: <200905080336.n483a6mE006280@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail06.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 08 May 2009 13:36:06 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:36:06 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus M4/3 coming... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 05:36:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03a8ae272862046811720 > Chuck Norcutt <> wrote: > > It's just curious that we had to go through a Facebook link in order to > get to an Olympus page which has been around for quite a while. > > Thanks for the link Chuck, facebook is blocked @ work. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 06:19:08 2009 Received: (qmail 21820 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 04:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 04:19:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E238FE182F8 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B1CE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A4019FD14 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:19:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCB119FD0E for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:19:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20626 invoked by uid 502); 8 May 2009 04:19:01 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-179-44.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.179.44) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2009 04:19:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4A03B2AC.1000906@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 21:18:52 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <4A033AAC.9050809@chucknorcutt.com> <4A039F61.2010905@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A039F61.2010905@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 06:19:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03b2bc311401591313764 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I called it "magic" because there is no information given regarding how it works. An "installer" does not make code written for a different operating system work on another one. It's not magic, it's a version of the GIMP compiled for Winders. Most of the open source stuff may be compiled for various different platforsm. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 06:51:15 2009 Received: (qmail 32481 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 04:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 04:51:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A38E182DB for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD585E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992DC34AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE6334AC024 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:51:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from mail12.green.ch (mail12.green.ch [81.221.254.111]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ians-mac-pro.local ([81.221.125.14]) by mail12.green.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 8 May 2009 06:51:09 +0200 Message-ID: <4A03BA3D.4050602@picturepedia.org> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 06:51:09 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <4A033AAC.9050809@chucknorcutt.com> <4A039F61.2010905@chucknorcutt.com> <4A03B2AC.1000906@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A03B2AC.1000906@gmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2009 04:51:09.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[9ADF3DB0:01C9CF98] Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 06:51:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03ba43199571023412894 another option to consider is gimpshop - gimp made to look like photoshop http://www.gimpshop.com/download.shtml However if it was me and I wanted to stick with winders and not try a unix I would download and install windows 7 RC which will work until march, by which time the new version will be out, it looks promising and should be better than XP. If you do install a linux and like it then take a look at a mac next time you buy a machine because it has the nicest and easiest front end to any unix I know of. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 07:10:41 2009 Received: (qmail 2160 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 05:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 05:10:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFB5E182E8 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A81E24A9C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43DD19FD70 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:10:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143D819FD74 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:10:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:10:33 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n485ATug030513; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:10:31 GMT Message-ID: <6509F9B32BE04F4F9D19D8426F1A44DF@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 00:11:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 07:10:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03bed175401585427447 With my recent flower photos, I have made an effort to show the beauty that can be found in common blooms. In looking for an image for this Friday, I was attracted to the shadows formed by the side-lighting on this Rhododrendron cluster. I decided to use the unusual view this Friday, just to illustrate another way of viewing the flowers. In some lens experimentation, I was using the closest example I have to a "35mm standard" lens to use on the E-510, in this case a Takumar 1.8/55mm, which becomes the equivalent of a 110mm lens in terms of a full-frame 35mm system. The longer focal length is much easier to focus than the Elmarit-R 2.8/28 that I have been using lately, but the lens is not as sharp as the Leica lens. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows+14.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 07:49:49 2009 Received: (qmail 29880 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 05:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 05:49:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CBCE182FB for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F5AE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5226B19FDB5 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:49:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED46419FDB3 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:49:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl38.gs02.gridserver.com (cl38.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.47]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50637 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl38.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Ixp-0006uV-Er for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 07 May 2009 22:49:41 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 01:49:39 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. Thread-Index: AcnPoMaSBVnHFTuUEd6yrgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <6509F9B32BE04F4F9D19D8426F1A44DF@jimnichols> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 07:49:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03c7fd97123675314703 That's a pretty pic, Jim. I like the lighting, the contrast was manged REALLY well. The flowers are beautiful too -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/8/09 1:11 AM, "Jim Nichols" wrote: > With my recent flower photos, I have made an effort to show the beauty that > can be found in common blooms. In looking for an image for this Friday, I was > attracted to the shadows formed by the side-lighting on this Rhododrendron > cluster. I decided to use the unusual view this Friday, just to illustrate > another way of viewing the flowers. > > In some lens experimentation, I was using the closest example I have to a > "35mm standard" lens to use on the E-510, in this case a Takumar 1.8/55mm, > which becomes the equivalent of a 110mm lens in terms of a full-frame 35mm > system. The longer focal length is much easier to focus than the Elmarit-R > 2.8/28 that I have been using lately, but the lens is not as sharp as the > Leica lens. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows+14.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 07:52:34 2009 Received: (qmail 161 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 05:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 05:52:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A5EE18312 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A3DE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A68B19FDC4 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:52:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D32C19FDC3 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:52:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:52:17 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n485qExc009092 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:52:16 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 00:53:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 07:52:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03c8a2298211234514069 Hi Chris, Thanks for looking, and for the compliments. Glad you liked it. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. > That's a pretty pic, Jim. I like the lighting, the contrast was manged > REALLY well. The flowers are beautiful too > > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-747-3962 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > On 5/8/09 1:11 AM, "Jim Nichols" wrote: > >> With my recent flower photos, I have made an effort to show the beauty >> that >> can be found in common blooms. In looking for an image for this Friday, >> I was >> attracted to the shadows formed by the side-lighting on this >> Rhododrendron >> cluster. I decided to use the unusual view this Friday, just to >> illustrate >> another way of viewing the flowers. >> >> In some lens experimentation, I was using the closest example I have to a >> "35mm standard" lens to use on the E-510, in this case a Takumar >> 1.8/55mm, >> which becomes the equivalent of a 110mm lens in terms of a full-frame >> 35mm >> system. The longer focal length is much easier to focus than the >> Elmarit-R >> 2.8/28 that I have been using lately, but the lens is not as sharp as the >> Leica lens. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows+14.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 07:53:10 2009 Received: (qmail 30175 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 05:53:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 05:53:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2BFE182E6 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227CEE24A99 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0889934AC025 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:53:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CE334AC023 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:53:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 22:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <25732985.4871241762647917.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-222-14.wbs.co.za ([41.208.222.14]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 780 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:04:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7A41C39BA4C849768AC82002C57BB282@MAIN> X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 07:52:48 +0200 References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <7A41C39BA4C849768AC82002C57BB282@MAIN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 07:53:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03c8c6317937350615338 I concur with this, I do not believe that the nature of the capture medium could have any effect on the bokeh, just as it cannot have any effect on resolving power, unless somebody proves otherwise to me. What I have observed, is that the nature of the bokeh of a lens can vary wildly based on the nature of the scene being photographed. Returning to the original question in this thread, I must say that the 90/2.0 is still the smooth bokeh king of all the olympus lenses I've used. The 300/4.5, which I use and love, is great, but I am not so sure that one can compare a long tele like that with shorter lenses, all teles seem to have great bokeh. My Tokina 800mm tele has, in that regard, the best bokeh I've ever seen, but I really think this becomes a matter of focal length - I have personally not seen a tele prime with ugly bokeh. Ling, regarding your tests, do you have a 50/1.2 to compare to your other 50s? I'd love to see it compared to the others. On 08 May 2009, at 4:14 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > I believe the difference is not digital or film, it is due to > different > sensor size and the general magnification you usually shoot. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 09:04:04 2009 Received: (qmail 15464 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 07:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 07:04:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C9AE182B9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 00:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AAEE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 00:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BC334AC026 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 00:03:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286C034AC023 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 00:03:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f212.google.com (mail-fx0-f212.google.com [209.85.220.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 00:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so1155822fxm.14 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 00:03:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.52.13 with SMTP id e13mr1892882muk.52.1241766237043; Fri, 08 May 2009 00:03:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840905071109g4c043bfai6ca9c44dd9f33c31@mail.gmail.com> <4A032578.1080905@rogers.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:03:56 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5cf3827f5a89b14d Message-ID: <9f07ac840905080003k31f9e171o7d1f2fd5a55342f9@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 09:04:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03d964132174673671140 Well I don't smoke but I certainly plan on sampling a few of those wines! I'm bringing Bob. (Bob is the name for any Belgian 'designated driver') "Cheers" Jez -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 10:39:54 2009 Received: (qmail 11750 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 08:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 08:39:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65AB0E182F8 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 01:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA49E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 01:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8329734AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 01:39:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AFF34AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 01:39:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from brigitte.telenet-ops.be (brigitte.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.66]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 01:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([94.224.139.19]) by brigitte.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id owfm1b0040RJCnS0GwfmTH; Fri, 08 May 2009 10:39:46 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: <1E9154B5-DCDA-4910-8858-D532A8BCC9D9@gmail.com> From: Iwert Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:39:45 +0200 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 10:39:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03efda264002336821329 Certainly the 100f2 is no slouch: It provides very nice and smooth bokeh. Next to that I really like the 40mm f2 bokeh (and FOV), maybe it is not the best, but I like it :). Iwert Op 8-mei-09, om 02:29 heeft usher99@aol.com het volgende geschreven: > With all this bokeh talk is it the Z. 100 f2 that has the most > consistently smooth bokeh? Clearly foregorund/background distance all > effect this complex lens character along with aperture shape, focal > length, spherical aberrations. Highly corrected flat field lenses > seem > to have a heck of a time rendering nice bokeh like the Z. 50 f3.5 > macro. The F2 flavor does better at the price of some sharpness in > the > corners as CH points out. > The Z. 135 f4 macro is no slouch though with close backgrounds the CV > 125 SL apo Lanthar has a smoother rendering. I was suprised that the > Z 85 F2 despite being a small gem (doubling as a mini macro kit with > ext tubes) can have busier bokeh than I had anticipated. Longer FL's > always seem to have an easier time, perhaps due to the physics and a > narrower limited background to start. > > If one opened up the contest to non-Zuikos in OM mount on FF (film or > dig), I think the CV 90/3.5 and the 125 both would be in the running. > Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 11:12:50 2009 Received: (qmail 12304 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 09:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 09:12:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F999E18305 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84AFE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27BA19DFB9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:12:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCAE19DFC5 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:12:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <27211548.4931241774628313.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-222-14.wbs.co.za ([41.208.222.14]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 491 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:23:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <1E9154B5-DCDA-4910-8858-D532A8BCC9D9@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:12:22 +0200 References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <1E9154B5-DCDA-4910-8858-D532A8BCC9D9@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 11:12:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03f79291451342116753 That makes sense. I've never used a 40/2.0 (would love one) but symmetrical designs generally produce great background blur, and the 40/2.0 is one of the few (if any?) OM Zuiko fully symmetrical lens designs? Though the dedicated Macros (80 and 135) are also pretty symmetrical if I recall correctly, hence their good performance in the bokeh department. I wish we could put together one nice database (suggested last year sometime) of sample images made through all zuiko lenses. On 08 May 2009, at 10:39 AM, Iwert wrote: > Certainly the 100f2 is no slouch: > > > > It provides very nice and smooth bokeh. Next to that I really like > the 40mm f2 bokeh (and FOV), > maybe it is not the best, but I like it :). > > Iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 11:34:55 2009 Received: (qmail 22544 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 09:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 09:34:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE99E182FD for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C87E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AD519E06E for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:34:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411CF19E06A for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:34:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.58.50] (50.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.50]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07FC3DA286 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 21:34:41 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 21:34:42 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A04A572.31628.DA33DD@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090506-0, 06/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 11:34:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a03fcbf22171529615919 Chuck wrote > There isn't anything from Adobe that is compatible with Linux. And, even > if there was, just as there are different run time versions of PhotoShop > for Windows and Macs, it would require a different set of application > object code for Linux. You can, however, create a dual boot machine or > possibly (just a wild guess on my part) run Windows as a virtual machine > under Linux. But this won't save you from a reinstall. > It will just cause you to do two... more difficult installs. > > The closest thing to PhotoShop for Linux is called the GIMP. You'd have > to take an extensive look at it to see if it would meet your needs. The > only thing I care about is that it's not PhotoShop and I don't have much > desire to redo my four years of learning how to use (a small part of) > PhotoShop. It is also possible to (using magic > unknown to me) install GIMP under Windows. But before you decide to do > anything along these lines I would suggest you read this page. > What you see here is > typical of Linux/Unix application speak. If you don't understand what's > on this page don't go there. It always amazes me that the free software > and Linux crowd doesn't seem to understand why people stick with Windows. > This page is the perfect example (and I even used to was an operating > system development guy) Most folks haven't even > a clue about dealing with Windows let alone Linux. I have The Gimp running under Windows 95, 98 and XP. No problem at all. You just have to download the suitable version. Cheers, Brian Swale PS; The Gimp can't do some thing PS can - eg, I never found a way to get The Gimp to write text on a jpg or gif image. PS does it as easy as pie. I used PS to write the txt on the hot buttons I made for my photography site. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 11:51:39 2009 Received: (qmail 22970 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 09:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 09:51:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F3CE182F4 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7C9E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4153619E0CB for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:51:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E3A19E0B3 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:51:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.58.50] (50.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.50]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E383DA2B0 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 21:51:32 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 21:51:33 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A04A965.28199.E99FEC@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090506-0, 06/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus M4/3 coming... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 11:51:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0400ab310563675314703 Ken must be REALLY keen for us to read paragraph one ... He wrote it twice he wrote it twice :-)) Brian For more info... http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=427&Itemid=1 AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 11:58:08 2009 Received: (qmail 7694 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 09:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 09:58:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99902E182F9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAFEE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E9E34AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:58:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23E234AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:58:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.156]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 02:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so838365yxf.80 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 02:58:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.94.15 with SMTP id r15mr1911763agb.71.1241776683173; Fri, 08 May 2009 02:58:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A04A572.31628.DA33DD@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <4A04A572.31628.DA33DD@bj.caverock.net.nz> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:57:43 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 11:58:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a040230282641838542571 2009/5/8 Brian Swale : > .... > PS; The Gimp can't do some thing PS can - eg, I never found a way to get > The Gimp to write text on a jpg or gif image. PS does it as easy as pie. > I used PS to write the txt on the hot buttons I made for my photography site. Under the Tools menu, there's the Text item (or in the Toolbox box, there's the letter "A" icon). Is this not what you mean? Cheers, Marc -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 12:18:32 2009 Received: (qmail 17464 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 10:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:18:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D609DE182E0 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33936E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FD834AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:18:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DE834AC023 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:18:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090508101825738.VDBN2590@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:18:25 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 06:18:24 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 12:18:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0406f8109591257536491 On May 7, 2009, at 6:19 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: >> Minuteman park lies between >> Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts not far from where I used to >> live. >> Some photos were taken there and others are either in Lexington or >> Concord. I got to Ft. Devens, Mass., in March of 1968, a little more than a month before an unknown (to me) holiday, Patriot's Day. As part of the Patriot's Day celebration, a very large number of soldiers from the ASA training facility at Ft. Devens joined the annual march from Acton to Concord. When we arrived at Minuteman Park, we had to stand in formation for _hours_. Every time a new unit, whether regular Army or reenactors, marched past, we were called to attention to salute the colors. A group of us bad broken formation and gone to the local ice cream vendor and returned unseen, but had very little chance to actually enjoy our purloined fruits because of being forced to present arms every few minutes. I also got in trouble on the march for bumming a drink of water from a Boy Scout. It seems the Army neglected to issue us web belts and canteens for the march. We were, to say the least, parched. For some reason that whole day remains very clear in my memory. Like many April days in New England, it started cold (3 a.m.) and got much warmer after the sun came up. Of course we had been ordered to dress for the cold, not the warmth. It's the Army way. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 12:42:12 2009 Received: (qmail 11150 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 10:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:42:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28827E18318 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3A1E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830D434AC027 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:42:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C6834AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:42:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.87] (87.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.87]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3763DA2BD for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:41:59 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 22:42:00 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A04B538.9139.117D18B@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090507-0, 07/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 12:42:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a040c84149705368819438 Marc wrote > > 2009/5/8 Brian Swale : > > .... > > PS; The Gimp can't do some thing PS can - eg, I never found a way to > get > > The Gimp to write text on a jpg or gif image. PS does it as easy as > pie. > > I used PS to write the txt on the hot buttons I made for my photography > site. > > Under the Tools menu, there's the Text item (or in the Toolbox box, > there's the letter "A" icon). Is this not what you mean? > > Cheers, > Marc Hi Marc, I just tried The Gimp again. Problems; I could not get it to select the font I want. No problem with PS. 2) I simply refused to place the text on the image I wanted to write on. A similar problem with PS, but not nearly as bad. I can live with the PS error. See the placement of the txt in the Autumn button on this page - I could not get PS to lower it a bit. http://www.brianswale.com/galleries/central-otago/index.htm With The Gimp I couldn't even get the txt ON the background - it was all away off in never never land. Brian -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 12:45:17 2009 Received: (qmail 7827 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 10:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:45:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148ABE182DB for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5998E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6410519E1EB for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:45:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F27D19E1E5 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:45:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1M2NZl-0004nm-FU for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 08 May 2009 11:45:09 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1M2NZk-0004y6-Ok for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 08 May 2009 11:45:08 +0100 Message-ID: <4A040D42.5030701@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:45:22 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 12:45:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a040d3d255818512572685 Bob Whitmire wrote: > For some reason that whole day remains very clear in > my memory. Like many April days in New England, it started cold (3 > a.m.) and got much warmer after the sun came up. Of course we had been > ordered to dress for the cold, not the warmth. It's the Army way. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > I'm convinced we all have a 'good story trigger', especially those of us who have been 'in' or spent any time in a large corporation. The trigger is activated when some crazy piece of corporate hogwash kicks in, and we remember it all perfectly, to be recounted again and again at appropriate moments. You can live off such stories. One of my favourite archetypes of the 'in' story is of Harry 'Ginger' Lacy, WW2 pilot. While stationed in the Far East, Harry had to drive from one SEAC base to another. He was asked to transport the new base cook, a native, who would be waiting for him at the gate. Harry duly picked up said native, took him to the base, and on his return was asked why he hadn't picked up the cook as asked. Turns out the guy he picked up had been hired to dig the latrines, the cook had arrived on time, no Harry. Best bit, and the point of the tale, is that having begun the induction process of hiring the latrine-digger as a cook, it took months to reverse the process, and eject him! I presume the latrines went undug, meantime. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 13:08:29 2009 Received: (qmail 1245 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 11:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 11:08:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FABE182F7 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDF5E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA3B34AC029 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:08:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273F234AC027 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:08:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32520 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2009 11:08:21 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2009 11:08:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4A0412A4.9040606@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 07:08:20 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <4A033AAC.9050809@chucknorcutt.com> <4A039F61.2010905@chucknorcutt.com> <4A03B2AC.1000906@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A03B2AC.1000906@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090507-0, 05/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 13:08:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0412ad238631946193717 That makes perfect sense to me. Calling it an "installer" does not. Knowing that I'd be willing to try it. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I called it "magic" because there is no information given regarding >> how it works. An "installer" does not make code written for a >> different operating system work on another one. > > It's not magic, it's a version of the GIMP compiled for Winders. > > Most of the open source stuff may be compiled for various different > platforsm. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 13:12:16 2009 Received: (qmail 17122 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 11:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 11:12:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E064E182C9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0725EE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DFC19E2CC for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:12:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6615C19E2BC for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:12:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so1146827wfc.26 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 04:12:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.237.19 with SMTP id k19mr1344577wfh.296.1241781128058; Fri, 08 May 2009 04:12:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A04B538.9139.117D18B@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <4A04B538.9139.117D18B@bj.caverock.net.nz> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:11:48 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 13:12:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a041390155377350615338 2009/5/8 Brian Swale : > I just tried The Gimp again. > > Problems; I could not get it to select the font I want. No problem with PS. > > 2) I simply refused to place the text on the image I wanted to write on. A > similar problem with PS, but not nearly as bad. I can live with the PS error. > See the placement of the txt in the Autumn button on this page - I could not > get PS to lower it a bit. > http://www.brianswale.com/galleries/central-otago/index.htm > With The Gimp I couldn't even get the txt ON the background - it was all > away off in never never land. If I select the Text tool, I then draw a box on the graphic where I am wanting the text. It doesn't matter if it's bigger than the intended text, and it's actually preferable if it is. At the same time, the small window comes up into which I input my text. To change the font, its size, it's colour, and its placement within the box (justification), I make the necessary selections at the bottom of the Toolbox window (beneath all the icons). As with Photoshop (well, Elements and 7 as far as I know), this actually becomes another layer, and I can also then still move it around to place it where I want it on the background with the Move tool (the icon in the Toolbox that looks like a cross with "arrows" on each end). I can also still edit the text further. Does this match what you see in The Gimp? (If you wish, and if you're not experiencing it as above and are too frustrated with positioning it so, I would be happy to create button for you to your requirements. That is, if you don't mind waiting - my midweeks are less busy than my weekends) Cheers, Marc -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 13:22:11 2009 Received: (qmail 12510 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 11:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 11:22:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C113E182E0 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B41E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DEC34AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:22:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB7234AC023 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:22:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7675 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2009 11:22:01 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2009 11:22:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4A0415D9.5050207@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 07:22:01 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6509F9B32BE04F4F9D19D8426F1A44DF@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <6509F9B32BE04F4F9D19D8426F1A44DF@jimnichols> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090507-0, 05/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 13:22:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0415e3113777350615338 Very dark and contrasty. It benefits greatly by increasing the mid-range brightness which also reduces the contrast. I note that the upper end of the histogram seems to have a fair amount of holes. Maybe overprocessed as a JPEG? In any case brightening the mid-range is, I think, all that's required. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > With my recent flower photos, I have made an effort to show the > beauty that can be found in common blooms. In looking for an image > for this Friday, I was attracted to the shadows formed by the > side-lighting on this Rhododrendron cluster. I decided to use the > unusual view this Friday, just to illustrate another way of viewing > the flowers. > > In some lens experimentation, I was using the closest example I have > to a "35mm standard" lens to use on the E-510, in this case a Takumar > 1.8/55mm, which becomes the equivalent of a 110mm lens in terms of a > full-frame 35mm system. The longer focal length is much easier to > focus than the Elmarit-R 2.8/28 that I have been using lately, but > the lens is not as sharp as the Leica lens. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows+14.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 13:26:40 2009 Received: (qmail 21114 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 11:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 11:26:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607A7E182ED for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBC0E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC0034AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:26:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5207734AC023 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:26:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.169]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so1151713wfc.26 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 04:26:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.132.2 with SMTP id f2mr1457604wfd.100.1241781995055; Fri, 08 May 2009 04:26:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A0412A4.9040606@chucknorcutt.com> References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <4A033AAC.9050809@chucknorcutt.com> <4A039F61.2010905@chucknorcutt.com> <4A03B2AC.1000906@gmail.com> <4A0412A4.9040606@chucknorcutt.com> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:26:15 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 13:26:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0416f074825368819438 2009/5/8 Chuck Norcutt : > That makes perfect sense to me. =A0Calling it an "installer" does not. > Knowing that I'd be willing to try it. My apologies for being so free-and-easy with nomenclature as to use "installer". I shall in future refer to appropriate technical literature before responding, or simply refrain, so as not to provide unnecessary obstacle to your consideration, and to avoid redundant noise in this forum. Marc -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 13:51:03 2009 Received: (qmail 30683 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 11:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 11:51:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AB5E182F9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B49DE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13AA719E3A2 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:50:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8FD19E11F for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:50:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24346 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2009 11:50:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090507-0, 05/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 13:51:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a041ca753351946193717 I never knew that anyone but the reenactors took part. But, being averse to being on the road before sunrise, I've only ever attended one of the reenactments and I never went farther than Lexington which was only a 5-10 minute drive from home. Somewhere I have pictures but obviously on film. If it's pre scanner acquisition I'll never find it. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > On May 7, 2009, at 6:19 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > >>> Minuteman park lies between >>> Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts not far from where I used to >>> live. >>> Some photos were taken there and others are either in Lexington or >>> Concord. > > I got to Ft. Devens, Mass., in March of 1968, a little more than a > month before an unknown (to me) holiday, Patriot's Day. As part of the > Patriot's Day celebration, a very large number of soldiers from the > ASA training facility at Ft. Devens joined the annual march from Acton > to Concord. When we arrived at Minuteman Park, we had to stand in > formation for _hours_. Every time a new unit, whether regular Army or > reenactors, marched past, we were called to attention to salute the > colors. A group of us bad broken formation and gone to the local ice > cream vendor and returned unseen, but had very little chance to > actually enjoy our purloined fruits because of being forced to present > arms every few minutes. I also got in trouble on the march for bumming > a drink of water from a Boy Scout. It seems the Army neglected to > issue us web belts and canteens for the march. We were, to say the > least, parched. For some reason that whole day remains very clear in > my memory. Like many April days in New England, it started cold (3 > a.m.) and got much warmer after the sun came up. Of course we had been > ordered to dress for the cold, not the warmth. It's the Army way. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 13:55:28 2009 Received: (qmail 10442 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 11:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 11:55:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315B9E182D4 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6DDE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B737734AC026 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:55:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC8A34AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:55:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27160 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2009 11:55:21 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2009 11:55:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4A041DA8.7080306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 07:55:20 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6509F9B32BE04F4F9D19D8426F1A44DF@jimnichols> <4A0415D9.5050207@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0415D9.5050207@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090507-0, 05/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 13:55:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a041db0292561838542571 No accounting for different tastes I guess. Chris Crawford had a much different reaction than I did and likes it just as it is. ---------------------- That's a pretty pic, Jim. I like the lighting, the contrast was manged REALLY well. The flowers are beautiful too ------------------------ Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Very dark and contrasty. It benefits greatly by increasing the > mid-range brightness which also reduces the contrast. I note that the > upper end of the histogram seems to have a fair amount of holes. Maybe > overprocessed as a JPEG? In any case brightening the mid-range is, I > think, all that's required. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> With my recent flower photos, I have made an effort to show the >> beauty that can be found in common blooms. In looking for an image >> for this Friday, I was attracted to the shadows formed by the >> side-lighting on this Rhododrendron cluster. I decided to use the >> unusual view this Friday, just to illustrate another way of viewing >> the flowers. >> >> In some lens experimentation, I was using the closest example I have >> to a "35mm standard" lens to use on the E-510, in this case a Takumar >> 1.8/55mm, which becomes the equivalent of a 110mm lens in terms of a >> full-frame 35mm system. The longer focal length is much easier to >> focus than the Elmarit-R 2.8/28 that I have been using lately, but >> the lens is not as sharp as the Leica lens. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows+14.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 14:02:05 2009 Received: (qmail 22543 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 12:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 12:02:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54093E182FE for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3200716E0002 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2342434AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:02:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A0A34AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:01:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31814 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2009 12:01:58 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2009 12:01:58 -0000 Message-ID: <4A041F36.3000201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:01:58 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <4A033AAC.9050809@chucknorcutt.com> <4A039F61.2010905@chucknorcutt.com> <4A03B2AC.1000906@gmail.com> <4A0412A4.9040606@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090507-0, 05/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 14:02:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a041f3d112471257536491 I'm very sorry you took that negatively, Marc. It certainly wasn't intended that way and my comment on the use of "installer" was from the GIMP site. If you used it I didn't even notice. I shall assume that it is my own ignorance of terminology used elsewhere. Once again, I apologize. You have been trying to be extraordinarily helful and have been. Taking a swipe at you was absolutely the furthest thing from my mind. Chuck Norcutt Marc Lawrence wrote: > 2009/5/8 Chuck Norcutt : >> That makes perfect sense to me. Calling it an "installer" does not. >> Knowing that I'd be willing to try it. > > My apologies for being so free-and-easy with nomenclature as to use > "installer". I shall in future refer to appropriate technical > literature before responding, or simply refrain, so as not to provide > unnecessary obstacle to your consideration, and to avoid redundant > noise in this forum. > > Marc -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 14:02:40 2009 Received: (qmail 17430 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 12:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 12:02:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4610E182EA for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C2616E0002 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625B834AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:02:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DB134AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:02:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.211.117]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJB0058WQS2B0NU@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 08 May 2009 07:02:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A041F55.9060608@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:02:29 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] OT running an executable on vista X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 14:02:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a041f60306083675314703 Sure, latest version of free Avira Antivirus software, Vista 32, 64, XP, XP pro etc. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chris Crawford wrote: > Is the software you were trying to install Vista compatible? > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 14:05:25 2009 Received: (qmail 14002 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 12:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 12:05:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC87E182FC for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B3C16E0002 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3080234AC026 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:05:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CD634AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:05:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.211.117]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJB00IG9QWPMXH9@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 08 May 2009 07:05:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A041FFD.1070500@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:05:17 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A03176E.2000203@verizon.net> <4A0319EB.6010509@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4A0319EB.6010509@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT running an executable on vista X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 14:05:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a042005324509347015869 I'm assuming its .exe or whatever a file like this or firefox, thunderbird, mailwasher is after you download it. I'm thinking now that the download may be corrupted. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > What's the extension on the install file? > > Chuck Norcutt > > John Hermanson wrote: >> I was helping my sister with her new HP laptop which has vista as OS. I >> downloaded the free version of Avira Anti-Virus and saved it to a folder >> on the desktop. When I double clicked the install file, vista opened a >> window asking me "what program do you want to use to open the file" like >> acrobat reader or media player. What? Vista would not allow me to run >> the file to install the program. I looked under user accounts and my >> sister is the only user and is logged on as administrator. Right >> clicking the file does not offer the option to "run" file. Obviously I >> have no vista experience. What gives? >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 14:06:01 2009 Received: (qmail 18922 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 12:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 12:06:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8D6E182DA for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDC116E0002 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC4334AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:05:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1C834AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:05:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.211.117]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJB00EJAQXQOPDJ@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 08 May 2009 07:05:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A042022.3070908@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:05:54 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A03176E.2000203@verizon.net> <4A0319EB.6010509@chucknorcutt.com> <4A031B17.1090500@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4A031B17.1090500@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT running an executable on vista X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 14:06:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a042029259251035110158 We will try again. Thank you. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I should also have mentioned the possibility that the file was corrupted > during download. Flip a few of the right bits and the file won't be > recognized for what it is (or was supposed to be). I suggest you try > downloading again and see if that solves the problem. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> What's the extension on the install file? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> John Hermanson wrote: >>> I was helping my sister with her new HP laptop which has vista as OS. I >>> downloaded the free version of Avira Anti-Virus and saved it to a folder >>> on the desktop. When I double clicked the install file, vista opened a >>> window asking me "what program do you want to use to open the file" like >>> acrobat reader or media player. What? Vista would not allow me to run >>> the file to install the program. I looked under user accounts and my >>> sister is the only user and is logged on as administrator. Right >>> clicking the file does not offer the option to "run" file. Obviously I >>> have no vista experience. What gives? >>> ___________________________________ >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >>> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>> >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 14:08:41 2009 Received: (qmail 921 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 12:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 12:08:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84366E182DB for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E2A16E0002 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF3D34AC026 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:08:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA22934AC023 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:08:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50490 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2OsU-0000t8-8r for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 08 May 2009 05:08:34 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:08:32 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. Thread-Index: AcnP1bR/8xixpDvIEd6ZzAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4A041DA8.7080306@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 14:08:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0420c9112014673671140 It looked good on my screen. Is your monitor calibrated? With an image that has a broad range of tones from bright white to very dark tones, monitor calibration is very important...if it is off just a little an image like Jim's won't look good. Consider also that come Mac users still use the gamma 1.8 standard instead of the 2.2 standard that is now preferred. Images on the web often look too dark on a 1.8 gamma screen. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/8/09 7:55 AM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > No accounting for different tastes I guess. Chris Crawford had a much > different reaction than I did and likes it just as it is. > ---------------------- > That's a pretty pic, Jim. I like the lighting, the contrast was manged > REALLY well. The flowers are beautiful too > ------------------------ > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Very dark and contrasty. It benefits greatly by increasing the >> mid-range brightness which also reduces the contrast. I note that the >> upper end of the histogram seems to have a fair amount of holes. Maybe >> overprocessed as a JPEG? In any case brightening the mid-range is, I >> think, all that's required. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> With my recent flower photos, I have made an effort to show the >>> beauty that can be found in common blooms. In looking for an image >>> for this Friday, I was attracted to the shadows formed by the >>> side-lighting on this Rhododrendron cluster. I decided to use the >>> unusual view this Friday, just to illustrate another way of viewing >>> the flowers. >>> >>> In some lens experimentation, I was using the closest example I have >>> to a "35mm standard" lens to use on the E-510, in this case a Takumar >>> 1.8/55mm, which becomes the equivalent of a 110mm lens in terms of a >>> full-frame 35mm system. The longer focal length is much easier to >>> focus than the Elmarit-R 2.8/28 that I have been using lately, but >>> the lens is not as sharp as the Leica lens. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows+14.tif.html >>> >>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 14:16:19 2009 Received: (qmail 26363 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 12:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 12:16:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C586E182E4 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7214CE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5479B19E47D for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:16:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E32119E464 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:16:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103-183.ctimail.com [61.93.57.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n48CGBmL016200 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 20:16:11 +0800 Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n48CGAqb015161 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 20:16:10 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <327C827111FD4B1D863328A23CF9C907@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6509F9B32BE04F4F9D19D8426F1A44DF@jimnichols><4A0415D9.5050207@chucknorcutt.com> <4A041DA8.7080306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:15:57 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 14:16:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a042293197811035110158 Chuck, I have seen some comment from you about the darkness of images including the Parade I just posted. For this photo from Jim, as the flower is being white in color and under sunlight, it should look a little brighter but I'm ok with it as is if the purpose it to get more details from the flowers. I think you may need to check the luminance of your monitor, my monitor has a luminance value of 137 and I believe 120-150 is a good value. It may also benifit from a re-calibration. At the mean time you might have missed a touch up problem of the flower image, which could be due the monitor too dark. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/CH_Ling_flower.jpg C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > No accounting for different tastes I guess. Chris Crawford had a much > different reaction than I did and likes it just as it is. > ---------------------- > That's a pretty pic, Jim. I like the lighting, the contrast was manged > REALLY well. The flowers are beautiful too > ------------------------ > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Very dark and contrasty. It benefits greatly by increasing the >> mid-range brightness which also reduces the contrast. I note that the >> upper end of the histogram seems to have a fair amount of holes. Maybe >> overprocessed as a JPEG? In any case brightening the mid-range is, I >> think, all that's required. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> With my recent flower photos, I have made an effort to show the >>> beauty that can be found in common blooms. In looking for an image >>> for this Friday, I was attracted to the shadows formed by the >>> side-lighting on this Rhododrendron cluster. I decided to use the >>> unusual view this Friday, just to illustrate another way of viewing >>> the flowers. >>> >>> In some lens experimentation, I was using the closest example I have >>> to a "35mm standard" lens to use on the E-510, in this case a Takumar >>> 1.8/55mm, which becomes the equivalent of a 110mm lens in terms of a >>> full-frame 35mm system. The longer focal length is much easier to >>> focus than the Elmarit-R 2.8/28 that I have been using lately, but >>> the lens is not as sharp as the Leica lens. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows+14.tif.html >>> >>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 14:31:58 2009 Received: (qmail 4389 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 12:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 12:31:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B71E18309 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E993BE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC49F34AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5105034AC023 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.211.117]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJB00E63S4JCZSM@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 08 May 2009 07:31:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A042627.9090106@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:31:35 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2CBB52CF2E104E8D9F9EAF0E52C2E390@wiliam> In-reply-to: <2CBB52CF2E104E8D9F9EAF0E52C2E390@wiliam> Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 14:31:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04263e73011035110158 Sorry for your loss Wiliam, a very cute cat indeed. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > I like the natural way too, but I just washed my hands after burrying > our cat. She only lived for 1 year and 1 day before she got run over by > a car. She was named honey and she was a real honey. Never caught > anything alse than some insects. Here is a shot of her in better times: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/3161137310/ > > Needless to say that we are all very sad. > > Wiliam > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: Chris Crawford [mailto:chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com] >> Verzonden: donderdag 7 mei 2009 0:52 >> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Onderwerp: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! >> >> >> Why don't you guys do it the natural way? Get a mean-ass cat. >> Females make the best hunters. My grandpa's old cat, Molly, >> has killed more than 6000 rodents in her lifetime (she is 18 >> yrs old), and she has even killed two rattlesnakes! >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Fine Art Photography >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> 260-747-3962 >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> >> On 5/6/09 6:48 PM, "Willie Wonka" wrote: >> >>> Don't do that. It is cruel and it doesnt work. >>> >>> They chew their feet off in an attempt to escape. >>> >>> Use a mechanical trap that kills instantly instead. BTW >> rats are slow >>> runners, you can easily jump on him...just offering a viable >>> alternative...:) >>> >>> Boris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Subject: >>> Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! >>> >>> From: >>> Rick Beckrich >>> >>> Date: >>> Wed, 6 May 2009 12:00:34 -0400 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Purchase one of the glue pads - place it against a wall. >> This a very >>> sticky substance in a small plastic tray (3" X 5" +/-) which will >>> imobilize the critter as soon as he steps on it. Then just pick & >>> pitch. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.20/2100 - Release >> Date: 05/06/09 06:04:00 >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 14:35:56 2009 Received: (qmail 13161 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 12:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 12:35:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A59E18307 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D826E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D6D34AC023 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:35:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B6934AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:35:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.211.117]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJB007K9SB5D0D1@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 08 May 2009 07:35:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A042714.1060103@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:35:32 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <31060607.4551241678568419.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A03176E.2000203@verizon.net> <4A0332F7.9020405@gmail.com> In-reply-to: <4A0332F7.9020405@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT running an executable on vista X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 14:35:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04272c264391993019900 I don't have the computer here, but I bet you and Chuck are correct. Corrupted download. I wish I had the computer here, my sister isn't "into it", and I don't think I should try to talk her through it. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Moose wrote: > I've been running Vista for some time. Double clicking on downloaded > .exe and .msi files always starts the run process. Vista does check the > signature and ask if I really want to run this foreign, possible invader. > > As others have suggested, check that it's an executable file and not > corrupted. > > By the way, Vista doesn't install with the "Run" option on the Start > Menu. To get it back, right click the task bar on the bottom, select > Properties, Select the Start Menu tab, click Customize and check the box > about 2/3 of the way down for "Run command". > > Moose > > > John Hermanson wrote: >> I was helping my sister with her new HP laptop which has vista as OS. I >> downloaded the free version of Avira Anti-Virus and saved it to a folder >> on the desktop. When I double clicked the install file, vista opened a >> window asking me "what program do you want to use to open the file" like >> acrobat reader or media player. What? Vista would not allow me to run >> the file to install the program. I looked under user accounts and my >> sister is the only user and is logged on as administrator. Right >> clicking the file does not offer the option to "run" file. Obviously I >> have no vista experience. What gives? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 15:16:23 2009 Received: (qmail 31121 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 13:16:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 13:16:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10507EDC004 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC18E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE5934AC026 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549EF34AC023 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090508131616550.BHIZ19662@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:16:16 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A040D42.5030701@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:16:15 -0400 References: <4A040D42.5030701@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 15:16:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0430a7312002336821329 Now _that's_ a great story. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 8, 2009, at 6:45 AM, Donald wrote: > Best bit, and the point of the tale, is that having begun the > induction > process of hiring the latrine-digger as a cook, it took months to > reverse the process, and eject him! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 15:18:59 2009 Received: (qmail 12543 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 13:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 13:18:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AB6EDC004 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022FDE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D585119E664 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:18:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842CB19E5DF for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:18:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090508131853888.ZELV2590@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:18:53 +0000 Message-Id: <948EB237-9008-4E69-9DB7-2F69AD4EA7B5@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A041C9A.7080701@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:18:53 -0400 References: <4A041C9A.7080701@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 15:18:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a043143141001585427447 If the film's from Patriot's Day, 1968, look for me. I'm the one trying to hide the ice cream. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 8, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Somewhere I have pictures but > obviously on film. If it's pre scanner acquisition I'll never find > it. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 16:05:58 2009 Received: (qmail 2522 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 14:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 14:05:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D37E182FC for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE76E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7312619E814 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:05:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CE319E815 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:05:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so842909anc.35 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 07:05:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.143.17 with SMTP id q17mr8623666and.114.1241791551048; Fri, 08 May 2009 07:05:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A04A965.28199.E99FEC@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <4A04A965.28199.E99FEC@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:05:51 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 79f9656517a2b74c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus M4/3 coming... 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It is a rather important paragraph, though. :) AG Ken must be REALLY keen for us to read paragraph one ... > > He wrote it twice he wrote it twice :-)) Brian > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 16:45:37 2009 Received: (qmail 14530 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 14:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 14:45:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56155E182DC for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D66E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE1B19E9B3 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:45:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A0219E9A1 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:45:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jason.gidden@uk.bnpparibas.com whitelisted) Received: from lonmail5.bnpparibas.com (lonmail5.bnpparibas.com [155.140.121.252]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:45:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BANNED: NO X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,317,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="5227327" From: jason.gidden@uk.bnpparibas.com To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:45:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Jason Gidden/SYSTEMS/LONDON/BFI/BNP is out of the office. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 16:45:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a044591236761234514069 I will be out of the office starting 08/05/2009 and will not return until 18/05/2009. I am currently on annual leave. I will respond to your message when I return. For urgent issues, please send your correspondance to TO&IT - Banking. -------- This communication is confidential, may be privileged and is meant only for the intended recipient. 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BR006393) at registered office 55 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6PA. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 16:48:16 2009 Received: (qmail 25698 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 14:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 14:48:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CECEE18301 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2112BE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC5034AC026 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:48:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1194E34AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:48:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n48Em8Ao004834 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:48:09 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com><7A41C39BA4C849768AC82002C57BB282@MAIN> <25732985.4871241762647917.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 22:47:49 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 16:48:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a044630302691234514069 Ok, here is bokeh samples from some 50mm and 85-100mm lenses, for the long one I can't see any difference on their bokeh except the 75-150 at ~100mm which seems to have more DOF. For the 50mm, the one with best bokeh is 50/1.4 MC and the poorest one is 50/3.5 MC macro. They are around 3MB each, you can download and compare them. Besides bokeh, you can also see the center resolution. http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3693_852F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3694_852F4.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3695_902F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3696_902F4.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3697_1002F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3698_1002F4.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3705_75150F4.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3700_5014F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3701_5014F4.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3702_5035F35.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3703_50M2F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3704_50M2F4.JPG Concerning your question about the 50/1.2, sorry I have sold it long ago due to the poor bokeh. Yes... it is even poorer than the 50/3.5 at portrait distance. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" >I concur with this, I do not believe that the nature of the capture > medium > could have any effect on the bokeh, just as it cannot have any effect on > resolving power, unless somebody proves otherwise to me. > > What I have observed, is that the nature of the bokeh of a lens can vary > wildly based on the nature of the scene being photographed. > > Returning to the original question in this thread, I must say that the > 90/2.0 > is still the smooth bokeh king of all the olympus lenses I've used. > The 300/4.5, > which I use and love, is great, but I am not so sure that one can > compare a long > tele like that with shorter lenses, all teles seem to have great > bokeh. My Tokina 800mm > tele has, in that regard, the best bokeh I've ever seen, but I really > think this becomes > a matter of focal length - I have personally not seen a tele prime > with ugly bokeh. > > Ling, regarding your tests, do you have a 50/1.2 to compare to your > other 50s? > I'd love to see it compared to the others. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 17:05:26 2009 Received: (qmail 6210 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 15:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 15:05:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15025E182CB for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0D6E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FFE34AC026 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:05:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C9C34AC023 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:05:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29709 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2009 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2009 15:05:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4A044A2E.9060707@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:05:18 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090507-0, 05/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 17:05:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a044a36153477927319144 Yup, monitor is calibrated but running PC standard 2.2 gamma. I often see the gamma problem with Nathan's images and have finally learned to ignore it. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > It looked good on my screen. Is your monitor calibrated? With an image that > has a broad range of tones from bright white to very dark tones, monitor > calibration is very important...if it is off just a little an image like > Jim's won't look good. Consider also that come Mac users still use the gamma > 1.8 standard instead of the 2.2 standard that is now preferred. Images on > the web often look too dark on a 1.8 gamma screen. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 17:14:19 2009 Received: (qmail 20215 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 15:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 15:14:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3308E182D9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD954E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08063610001 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:14:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E014134AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:14:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4185 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2009 15:14:11 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2009 15:14:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4A044C3C.3030401@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:14:04 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6509F9B32BE04F4F9D19D8426F1A44DF@jimnichols><4A0415D9.5050207@chucknorcutt.com> <4A041DA8.7080306@chucknorcutt.com> <327C827111FD4B1D863328A23CF9C907@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <327C827111FD4B1D863328A23CF9C907@MAIN> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090507-0, 05/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 17:14:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a044c4b287181702588592 Thanks. You are absolutely correct, guilty as charged. I had to increase brightness to 100% and shade the monitor from the window light to see what you meant. I caught one of those same errors before but didn't see that much lighter version. That error is one of the reasons why I think PW Pro's clone tool is much superior to PS. In PS it's possible to pick up pixels from outside of the apparent clone source brush diameter. That's not possible in PW Pro which is always what-you-see-is-what-you-get. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Chuck, I have seen some comment from you about the darkness of images > including the Parade I just posted. > > For this photo from Jim, as the flower is being white in color and under > sunlight, it should look a little brighter but I'm ok with it as is if the > purpose it to get more details from the flowers. > > I think you may need to check the luminance of your monitor, my monitor has > a luminance value of 137 and I believe 120-150 is a good value. It may also > benifit from a re-calibration. > > At the mean time you might have missed a touch up problem of the flower > image, which could be due the monitor too dark. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/CH_Ling_flower.jpg > > > C.H.Ling > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> No accounting for different tastes I guess. Chris Crawford had a much >> different reaction than I did and likes it just as it is. >> ---------------------- >> That's a pretty pic, Jim. I like the lighting, the contrast was manged >> REALLY well. The flowers are beautiful too >> ------------------------ >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> Very dark and contrasty. It benefits greatly by increasing the >>> mid-range brightness which also reduces the contrast. I note that the >>> upper end of the histogram seems to have a fair amount of holes. Maybe >>> overprocessed as a JPEG? In any case brightening the mid-range is, I >>> think, all that's required. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> With my recent flower photos, I have made an effort to show the >>>> beauty that can be found in common blooms. In looking for an image >>>> for this Friday, I was attracted to the shadows formed by the >>>> side-lighting on this Rhododrendron cluster. I decided to use the >>>> unusual view this Friday, just to illustrate another way of viewing >>>> the flowers. >>>> >>>> In some lens experimentation, I was using the closest example I have >>>> to a "35mm standard" lens to use on the E-510, in this case a Takumar >>>> 1.8/55mm, which becomes the equivalent of a 110mm lens in terms of a >>>> full-frame 35mm system. The longer focal length is much easier to >>>> focus than the Elmarit-R 2.8/28 that I have been using lately, but >>>> the lens is not as sharp as the Leica lens. >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows+14.tif.html >>>> >>>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 18:37:46 2009 Received: (qmail 1706 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 16:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 16:37:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D437AE182FF for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13598E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCD219ED85 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:37:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D97D19ED82 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:37:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:37:37 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n48GbXNX015893 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:37:36 GMT Message-ID: <3427BB33DAE34A8C9F05B759A35C3D4E@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6509F9B32BE04F4F9D19D8426F1A44DF@jimnichols> <4A0415D9.5050207@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:37:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 18:37:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a045fda136501470116606 Thanks, Chuck. JPEG conversion was done in the final save. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. > Very dark and contrasty. It benefits greatly by increasing the > mid-range brightness which also reduces the contrast. I note that the > upper end of the histogram seems to have a fair amount of holes. Maybe > overprocessed as a JPEG? In any case brightening the mid-range is, I > think, all that's required. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> With my recent flower photos, I have made an effort to show the >> beauty that can be found in common blooms. In looking for an image >> for this Friday, I was attracted to the shadows formed by the >> side-lighting on this Rhododrendron cluster. I decided to use the >> unusual view this Friday, just to illustrate another way of viewing >> the flowers. >> >> In some lens experimentation, I was using the closest example I have >> to a "35mm standard" lens to use on the E-510, in this case a Takumar >> 1.8/55mm, which becomes the equivalent of a 110mm lens in terms of a >> full-frame 35mm system. The longer focal length is much easier to >> focus than the Elmarit-R 2.8/28 that I have been using lately, but >> the lens is not as sharp as the Leica lens. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Shadows+14.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 18:51:17 2009 Received: (qmail 29163 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 16:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 16:51:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE29E182F9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFBAE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1252019EDA7 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:51:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826B819EDB7 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0246CC9740 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:16:17 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:51:08 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Ontario wildflowers from a Saturday hike X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 18:51:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a046305184905368819438 Ah. I do like a good story, Michael and that makes the grade :-) Chris On 8 May 2009, at 03:04, Michael Collins wrote: >> ... but you do look a little threatening :-) >> >> Perhaps you should avoid the one-foot-forward pose, and take off the >> hat or glasses, or both ... >> >> Chris > > At least they're not bovver boots ;-) . KEEN Canada, a footwear > maker, is > donating $5 per pair of boots photographed on any part of the Bruce > Trail, > to the Bruce Trail Conservancy, to a maximum of $75,000 this year. > So that > was my little $5 contribution to the cause! I'm a gentle sort 'cept > when I'm > not... > > Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 18:52:35 2009 Received: (qmail 3718 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 16:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 16:52:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D80E18311 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5964E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E0A19EDB9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:52:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047B219EDB1 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:52:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-m07.mx.aol.com (imr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a046329a7; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:51:53 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.d51.4a1c1980 (37038) for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB028-5bb24a04631a221; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:51:47 -0400 Received: from webmail-db06 (webmail-db06.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.71]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA021-5bb24a04631a221; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:51:38 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 12:51:37 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42949-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.71) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 08 May 2009 12:51:37 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9E1463585403-D34-969@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 18:52:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a046353140509347015869 As mentioned in my first note, it does seem as you say longer FL tele primes have nice bokeh routinely. Not sure how that works. Must say some zooms may not, even with FL a bit over 100mm. Witness the Canyon 24-105 L f4 kit lens. I saw some comments by Andrew regarding occ oddball unpleasant bokeh from the very sharp Tamron SP 80-200/2.8. I have read that IF zooms may be subject to harsher bokeh though have not seen that studied per se. Astigmatism can clearly negatively affect bokeh esp further out from the center. Withness the MTF graph of the Tammy zoom I have below. The sag/tangential plots are esp divergent on the short end (astigmatism). I can testify that the bokeh is very nice on the long end. It also does not need to be stopped down as much on the long end to sharpen it up. Makes sense to me---put it on a pod and stop it way down on the short end for landscapes but enable hand holding good portraits on the long end with adequate resolution and bokeh at wider apertures. I don't remember how bad the bokeh is on the short end, but I will find out this weekend --a possible TOPE shot could be toast if I can't fix it. Oh, the simple Tessar designs seem to consistently have nice bokeh as mentioned. http://www.photodo.com/product_531_p4.html Mike Dawid states: Returning to the original question in this thread, I must say that the 90/2.0 is still the smooth bokeh king of all the olympus lenses I've used. The 300/4.5, which I use and love, is great, but I am not so sure that one can compare a long tele like that with shorter lenses, all teles seem to have great bokeh. My Tokina 800mm tele has, in that regard, the best bokeh I've ever seen, but I really think this becomes a matter of focal length - I have personally not seen a tele prime with ugly bokeh. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 18:55:15 2009 Received: (qmail 32458 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 16:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 16:55:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93189E182EB for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDF6E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949F934AC026 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:55:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A3A34AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:55:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CDDC973F for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:20:16 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <1CDFB752-BA38-4E4E-870C-6DAC051246B2@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:55:08 +0100 References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 18:55:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0463f3308681585427447 Thanks, Marc, for that idea. I have an old Wintel "lappy" which is slow and unpleasant with XP installed. I don't own the licence (it's someone else's computer but they don't want it back), so I might instal Ubuntu and see how I like it. Cheers Chris On 8 May 2009, at 01:34, Marc Lawrence wrote: > >> >> Can anyone give me advice regarding the installation of alternative >> operating system to Windows? > > Note, I have two workstations at home, being a Fujitsu laptop I use > most of the time (generally just for web-browsing) and an iMac > upstairs mostly used for photo processing. > > Recently I decided, on the basis of "a change is as good as a > holiday", to install Ubuntu on my lappy as the sole OS. Ubuntu is > probably the best-known "popular" flavour of Linux: > > http://www.ubuntu.com/ ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 19:02:11 2009 Received: (qmail 24368 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 17:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 17:02:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A9AE182ED for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDF6E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407C419EDCE for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:02:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3064F19ED82 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:02:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.jazztel.es (smtp02.jazztel.es [62.14.3.171]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [87.222.164.7] (helo=mac-pro-de-david-irisarri.local) by smtp02.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M2TRE-00018N-1b for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:00:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4A046586.8030204@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 19:01:58 +0200 From: David Irisarri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com><7A41C39BA4C849768AC82002C57BB282@MAIN> <25732985.4871241762647917.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 19:02:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a046593325022046811720 Hmmmm, I don=B4t agree about 50 1.2 bad bokeh. I also used to had one when I had = OM4T and 80% of my shots were made with it. Despite of being soft wide = open, bokeh was charming and pleasant. I send you a picture of a lovely = charming bokeh of it. Maybe you can put it in your website for Dawid = Loubser. Regards, Dave > Ok, here is bokeh samples from some 50mm and 85-100mm lenses, for the long > one I can't see any difference on their bokeh except the 75-150 at ~100mm > which seems to have more DOF. For the 50mm, the one with best bokeh is > 50/1.4 MC and the poorest one is 50/3.5 MC macro. > > They are around 3MB each, you can download and compare them. Besides boke= h, = > you can also see the center resolution. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3693_852F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3694_852F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3695_902F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3696_902F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3697_1002F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3698_1002F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3705_75150F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3700_5014F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3701_5014F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3702_5035F35.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3703_50M2F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3704_50M2F4.JPG > > Concerning your question about the 50/1.2, sorry I have sold it long ago = due > to the poor bokeh. Yes... it is even poorer than the 50/3.5 at portrait > distance. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Dawid Loubser" > > = >> I concur with this, I do not believe that the nature of the capture >> medium >> could have any effect on the bokeh, just as it cannot have any effect on >> resolving power, unless somebody proves otherwise to me. >> >> What I have observed, is that the nature of the bokeh of a lens can vary >> wildly based on the nature of the scene being photographed. >> >> Returning to the original question in this thread, I must say that the >> 90/2.0 >> is still the smooth bokeh king of all the olympus lenses I've used. >> The 300/4.5, >> which I use and love, is great, but I am not so sure that one can >> compare a long >> tele like that with shorter lenses, all teles seem to have great >> bokeh. My Tokina 800mm >> tele has, in that regard, the best bokeh I've ever seen, but I really >> think this becomes >> a matter of focal length - I have personally not seen a tele prime >> with ugly bokeh. >> >> Ling, regarding your tests, do you have a 50/1.2 to compare to your >> other 50s? >> I'd love to see it compared to the others. >> = > > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 19:29:42 2009 Received: (qmail 2025 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 17:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 17:29:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6975E182B5 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C9CE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FB519EE26 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:29:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDF319EE0A for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:29:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n48HTUpe001918 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 01:29:32 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com><7A41C39BA4C849768AC82002C57BB282@MAIN> <25732985.4871241762647917.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A046586.8030204@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 01:29:10 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 19:29:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a046c06152561744846740 Hi Dave, Thanks for the images, here are the one that looks good but one just can't confirm it with one image. Bokeh is relative, no easy measurement data, you need to compare them. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Openair_bed_small.jpg This one I can't vote for good bokeh: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Treson_small.jpg For close up I have one from 50/1.4 that I believe is better. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_0214.JPG C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "David Irisarri" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? Hmmmm, I don=B4t agree about 50 1.2 bad bokeh. I also used to had one when I had OM4T and 80% of my shots were made with it. Despite of being soft wide open, bokeh was charming and pleasant. I send you a picture of a lovely charming bokeh of it. Maybe you can put it in your website for Dawid Loubser. Regards, Dave > Ok, here is bokeh samples from some 50mm and 85-100mm lenses, for the long > one I can't see any difference on their bokeh except the 75-150 at ~100mm > which seems to have more DOF. For the 50mm, the one with best bokeh is > 50/1.4 MC and the poorest one is 50/3.5 MC macro. > > They are around 3MB each, you can download and compare them. Besides > bokeh, > you can also see the center resolution. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3693_852F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3694_852F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3695_902F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3696_902F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3697_1002F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3698_1002F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3705_75150F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3700_5014F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3701_5014F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3702_5035F35.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3703_50M2F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3704_50M2F4.JPG > > Concerning your question about the 50/1.2, sorry I have sold it long ago > due > to the poor bokeh. Yes... it is even poorer than the 50/3.5 at portrait > distance. > > C.H.Ling -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 19:31:56 2009 Received: (qmail 4925 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 17:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 17:31:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00866E182DB for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473E9E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DE019EE2A for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11BD19EE1F for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FD7314095 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534A3314093 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A046C94.4010500@interisland.net> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:32:04 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090507-0, 05/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] - how do you catch a rat! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 19:31:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a046c8c299821234514069 > > That's a great looking cat. It looks like a Maine Coon Sorry about the loss Mike (with 2 Maine Coons in the household) PS Please don't use rodent poison. It will also kill the animal which eats the carcass. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 19:43:53 2009 Received: (qmail 3056 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 17:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 17:43:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB99E182B9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A3AE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D7319EE64 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:43:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3DC19EE59 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:43:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15542314093 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE04C314092 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A046F61.7020708@interisland.net> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:44:01 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090507-0, 05/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 19:43:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a046f59168265368819438 Ubuntu is easier to install than Windose. It would be a good choice for an older system as it has a lower overhead. As was mentioned it comes packaged with everything most people use. First though I would try to clean up your old XP install. Use the XP disk clean up tools and/or run Spybot. Then I would start with a non aggressive registry cleaner like CrapCleaner. Then move up to something like EasyCleaner or Eusing Free Registry Cleaner. Finally try JV16 Power tools 30 day free trial. Be sure to back up at every step, especially the registry . Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 19:57:54 2009 Received: (qmail 4041 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 17:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 17:57:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B89E182DC for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D40E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F16A361000B for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:57:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA523610007 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:57:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n48HvaPt006324 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 01:57:36 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <75B1B638CBBC47E4B9C007730E5528CE@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com><7A41C39BA4C849768AC82002C57BB282@MAIN> <25732985.4871241762647917.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><4A046586.8030204@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 01:57:08 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 19:57:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0472a2266894673671140 Ok, just found an old shot with the 50/1.2 (most likely shot at F1.2 or F2)= , = sorry for the color cast as the film was poorly processed: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/5012-01.jpg Look at the OOF highlight you will see the bokeh is not really pleasing. I = also have test shots compare 35-70/3.6 and 50/1.2 but take time to find out. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "C.H.Ling" Hi Dave, Thanks for the images, here are the one that looks good but one just can't confirm it with one image. Bokeh is relative, no easy measurement data, you need to compare them. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Openair_bed_small.jpg This one I can't vote for good bokeh: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Treson_small.jpg For close up I have one from 50/1.4 that I believe is better. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_0214.JPG C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "David Irisarri" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? Hmmmm, I don=B4t agree about 50 1.2 bad bokeh. I also used to had one when I had OM4T and 80% of my shots were made with it. Despite of being soft wide open, bokeh was charming and pleasant. I send you a picture of a lovely charming bokeh of it. Maybe you can put it in your website for Dawid Loubser. Regards, Dave > Ok, here is bokeh samples from some 50mm and 85-100mm lenses, for the long > one I can't see any difference on their bokeh except the 75-150 at ~100mm > which seems to have more DOF. For the 50mm, the one with best bokeh is > 50/1.4 MC and the poorest one is 50/3.5 MC macro. > > They are around 3MB each, you can download and compare them. Besides > bokeh, > you can also see the center resolution. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3693_852F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3694_852F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3695_902F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3696_902F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3697_1002F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3698_1002F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3705_75150F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3700_5014F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3701_5014F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3702_5035F35.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3703_50M2F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3704_50M2F4.JPG > > Concerning your question about the 50/1.2, sorry I have sold it long ago > due > to the poor bokeh. Yes... it is even poorer than the 50/3.5 at portrait > distance. > > C.H.Ling -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 20:09:13 2009 Received: (qmail 16231 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 18:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 18:09:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6E6E182E3 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF489E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965E819EEEF for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:09:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305ED19EED9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:09:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imo-m22.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a0475412a3; Fri, 08 May 2009 14:09:05 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c5d.4b86fc5f (37139) for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA031-5bb84a04753597; Fri, 08 May 2009 14:08:58 -0400 Received: from webmail-db06 (webmail-db06.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.71]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA027-5bb84a04753597; Fri, 08 May 2009 14:08:53 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:08:53 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42949-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.71) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 08 May 2009 14:08:53 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB9E1F2E735B33-D34-DD6@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 20:09:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a047549258101470116606 Thanks CH. That's quite a valuable collection of images to compare. Now which 50 to bring on the Zuiko trip beginning about a week from now? This is going to be the toughest pack yet. I did misread your previous comments about the corner sharpness of the 50/2 in my haste at work. I brought the Z. 50 f2 last year. Not sure how they manged to improve the corner sharpness and not cause more issues with the bokeh. A CZ85mm ??1.2 is suppossed to be a bokeh King--it did sacrifice some corner sharpness. Even the G9 has smooth bokeh at moderate macro rnage with a distant background.--I don't think that counts. Mike Ok, here is bokeh samples from some 50mm and 85-100mm lenses, for the long one I can't see any difference on their bokeh except the 75-150 at ~100mm which seems to have more DOF. For the 50mm, the one with best bokeh is 50/1.4 MC and the poorest one is 50/3.5 MC macro. They are around 3MB each, you can download and compare them. Besides bokeh, you can also see the center resolution. http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3693_852F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3694_852F4.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3695_902F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3696_902F4.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3697_1002F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3698_1002F4.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3705_75150F4.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3700_5014F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3701_5014F4.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3702_5035F35.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3703_50M2F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3704_50M2F4.JPG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 20:12:51 2009 Received: (qmail 26360 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 18:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 18:12:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68980E18301 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DB2E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9C234AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:12:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8834B34AC023 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:12:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so986588yxf.80 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 11:12:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.42.4 with SMTP id p4mr9132258anp.115.1241806363848; Fri, 08 May 2009 11:12:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <7A41C39BA4C849768AC82002C57BB282@MAIN> <25732985.4871241762647917.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A046586.8030204@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:12:43 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f31ed1dec982c367 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 20:12:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04762353711073733319 > I concur with this, I do not believe that the nature of the capture medium > could have any effect on the bokeh, just as it cannot have any effect on > resolving power, unless somebody proves otherwise to me. As you'd expect, I don't agree with this. I believe the capture medium has quite a bit of bearing on bokeh characteristics. 1. Digital sensors have their own inherent flare which is easily seen with ultra-bright spots within the image. Film has a uniform lateral halation in all directions (ie, blob), whereas you will get a multibladed "fan" as a result of the physical nature of the sensor and microlenses 2. Film is "self-attenuating", in that the straight-line response section of film is relatively short and the toe and shoulder is long. Digital has little to no self-attenuation and the straight-line section is much longer in comparison. This causes OOF highlights in digital to actually be brighter than they are in a comparable film image 3. Microlenses, again... The MF digital backs are nearly always designed without microlenses as there is a very distinct change in the images. I could cite song and verse on this, but a google search such suffice. The MF back makers found that it is better to correct vignetting in software than it is to throw microlenses on the sensor 5. USM-based stepping in the penumbra. (2*:* a surrounding or adjoining region in which something exists in a lesser degre*e). When you take a gentle falloff and apply USM to that falloff, you can get one or more distinct steps. I have noticed a distinct difference in the bokeh from my 100/2.8 in film and digital. Even when I account for the cropped format by the difference is clear to see.* **The 100/2.8 has buttery smooth bokeh on the film images, but has a busy, raspy look on the E-1/. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 20:21:09 2009 Received: (qmail 5433 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 18:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 18:21:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36F8E182EE for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA3CE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3371B34AC028 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:21:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820AC34AC027 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:21:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so925792anc.35 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 11:21:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.153.9 with SMTP id a9mr9060632ane.139.1241806861773; Fri, 08 May 2009 11:21:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CB9E1463585403-D34-969@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB9E1463585403-D34-969@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:21:01 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 13b7d58959445e4a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 20:21:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04781576337350615338 > > Astigmatism can clearly negatively affect bokeh esp further out from > the center. I've railed about modern lens designs which use multiple aspheric lens elements. These lenses are optimized for the in-focus point and can actually have the neat characteristic of fattening up the plane of in-focus. However, what you will see happen with aspheric shaped lenses is the out-of-focus rays are misguided and instead of landing where they are supposed to are actually pointing to another spot on the sensor/film. The net effect of this is an out-of-focus highlight appearing not as a fuzzy ball, but a distinct balloon-shape, sometimes with an overly bright or sharpened edge. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 20:32:50 2009 Received: (qmail 27081 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 18:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 18:32:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08190E182D1 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6122CE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A04234AC02B for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:32:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2983034AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:32:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n48IWbw1011688 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 02:32:37 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <7F58C8E351CD4FE984C6A9BD0A1C0C08@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com><7A41C39BA4C849768AC82002C57BB282@MAIN> <25732985.4871241762647917.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><4A046586.8030204@mirko2.jazztel.es> <75B1B638CBBC47E4B9C007730E5528CE@MAIN> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 02:31:56 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 20:32:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a047ad2324977350615338 Finally, here is the comparison, both at 50mm: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/5012F56.jpg http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/3570F56.jpg 35-70/3.6 is the clear winner. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "C.H.Ling" Ok, just found an old shot with the 50/1.2 (most likely shot at F1.2 or F2), sorry for the color cast as the film was poorly processed: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/5012-01.jpg Look at the OOF highlight you will see the bokeh is not really pleasing. I also have test shots compare 35-70/3.6 and 50/1.2 but take time to find out. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "C.H.Ling" Hi Dave, Thanks for the images, here are the one that looks good but one just can't confirm it with one image. Bokeh is relative, no easy measurement data, you need to compare them. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Openair_bed_small.jpg This one I can't vote for good bokeh: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Treson_small.jpg For close up I have one from 50/1.4 that I believe is better. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_0214.JPG C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "David Irisarri" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? Hmmmm, I don=B4t agree about 50 1.2 bad bokeh. I also used to had one when I had OM4T and 80% of my shots were made with it. Despite of being soft wide open, bokeh was charming and pleasant. I send you a picture of a lovely charming bokeh of it. Maybe you can put it in your website for Dawid Loubser. Regards, Dave > Ok, here is bokeh samples from some 50mm and 85-100mm lenses, for the long > one I can't see any difference on their bokeh except the 75-150 at ~100mm > which seems to have more DOF. For the 50mm, the one with best bokeh is > 50/1.4 MC and the poorest one is 50/3.5 MC macro. > > They are around 3MB each, you can download and compare them. Besides > bokeh, > you can also see the center resolution. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3693_852F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3694_852F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3695_902F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3696_902F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3697_1002F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3698_1002F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3705_75150F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3700_5014F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3701_5014F4.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3702_5035F35.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3703_50M2F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/bokeh/IMG_3704_50M2F4.JPG > > Concerning your question about the 50/1.2, sorry I have sold it long ago > due > to the poor bokeh. Yes... it is even poorer than the 50/3.5 at portrait > distance. > > C.H.Ling -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 20:43:13 2009 Received: (qmail 21154 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAE3E182E5 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B60E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F062F34AC029 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:43:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4E334AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:43:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n48Ih59N013159 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 02:43:05 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com><7A41C39BA4C849768AC82002C57BB282@MAIN><25732985.4871241762647917.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><4A046586.8030204@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 02:43:00 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 20:43:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a047d41303217350615338 Can't agree on the highlight problem as bad bokeh not only seen on highlight area but everywhere of the OOF foreground/background. USM is 'almost' not necessary with good digital back and sharp lenses. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" >> I concur with this, I do not believe that the nature of the capture >> medium >> could have any effect on the bokeh, just as it cannot have any effect on >> resolving power, unless somebody proves otherwise to me. > > As you'd expect, I don't agree with this. I believe the capture medium > has > quite a bit of bearing on bokeh characteristics. > > 1. Digital sensors have their own inherent flare which is easily seen with > ultra-bright spots within the image. Film has a uniform lateral halation > in > all directions (ie, blob), whereas you will get a multibladed "fan" as a > result of the physical nature of the sensor and microlenses > > 2. Film is "self-attenuating", in that the straight-line response section > of > film is relatively short and the toe and shoulder is long. Digital has > little to no self-attenuation and the straight-line section is much longer > in comparison. This causes OOF highlights in digital to actually be > brighter > than they are in a comparable film image > > 3. Microlenses, again... The MF digital backs are nearly always designed > without microlenses as there is a very distinct change in the images. I > could cite song and verse on this, but a google search such suffice. The > MF > back makers found that it is better to correct vignetting in software than > it is to throw microlenses on the sensor > > 5. USM-based stepping in the penumbra. (2*:* a surrounding or adjoining > region in which something exists in a lesser degre*e). When you take a > gentle falloff and apply USM to that falloff, you can get one or more > distinct steps. > > > I have noticed a distinct difference in the bokeh from my 100/2.8 in film > and digital. Even when I account for the cropped format by the difference > is > clear to see.* **The 100/2.8 has buttery smooth bokeh on the film images, > but has a busy, raspy look on the E-1/. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 20:54:25 2009 Received: (qmail 32066 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 18:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 18:54:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A9BE182FB for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86F4E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7866434AC029 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 20:54:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a047fe122734673671140 This is what I like to do after work: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#531428495_Npc9K-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 21:06:40 2009 Received: (qmail 22500 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 19:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 21:06:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0482c0319818512572685 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > That makes perfect sense to me. Calling it an "installer" does not. > Knowing that I'd be willing to try it. > You are talking about both. - The executable is compiled for windoze. You can probably download it separately, put it on disk and run it fine. - The installer is like most winders installers, a one time executable that uncompresses the target executable, walks the user through picking where to install, what options to install, what startup menu group to add a shortcut to, whether to put shortcuts on desktop and/or taskbar, etc. It may or may not also make registry entries. My limited experience of compiling and/or installing open source apps has been that they may not need registry registration. I haven't tried the GIMP for a long time, so I'm sure it's changed since then. Like you, I can't get very excited about learning another tool when I have so much time and experience in PS. even if another app is as powerful and useful, a very different UI would set me back a lot. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 21:17:06 2009 Received: (qmail 25495 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 19:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 19:17:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4681FE182E1 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7183CE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6620D34AC026 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:17:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C8334AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:16:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10940 invoked by uid 502); 8 May 2009 19:16:59 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-166-155.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.166.155) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2009 19:16:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4A048529.1060104@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 12:16:57 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 21:17:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04853232521585427447 Ken Norton wrote: > You'd also have to factor in digital or film photography. The 100/2.8 bokeh is AWESOME on film, not so much on digital. The 35/2.8 bokeh is downright romantic in either format. The 50/1.8 gives nice shallow DoF on digital and bokeh is reasonable, but the 50/3.5 has much nicer bokeh on digital than it does on film. The 300/4.5 is out of this world in either format. > I'm behind on this thread, so I apologize if someone has already pointed this out. I take no position on the above statements, but would like to point out that they make one big, unwarranted assumption. Or leave out a caveat, to put it another way. You say lots of things about "digital" as though they applied to all DSLRs. Insofar as I can tell, they apply to 4/3, and perhaps only to one particular, low resolution version of 4/3. Not to say that lower resolution is "bad", only that it is different. I'm not saying that they may not be true for higher resolution 4/3, APS and full frame sensors, only that I don't believe you have actual data to support those. Bokeh is obviously affected by a myriad of complex and sometimes subtle factors. To assume they stay the same across sensor sizes and resolutions without testing seems wrong to me. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 21:43:22 2009 Received: (qmail 8016 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 19:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 19:43:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082D5E18174 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CB4E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C0119F1AD for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:43:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0481D19F1AA for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:43:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1761 invoked by uid 502); 8 May 2009 19:43:09 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-166-155.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 21:43:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a048b5a289801585427447 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Thanks. You are absolutely correct, guilty as charged. I had to increase brightness to 100% and shade the monitor from the window light to see what you meant. I caught one of those same errors before but didn't see that much lighter version. That error is one of the reasons why I think PW Pro's clone tool is much superior to PS. In PS it's possible to pick up pixels from outside of the apparent clone source brush diameter. That's not possible in PW Pro which is always what-you-see-is-what-you-get. > I'm only aware of that effect in PS when the Clone tool brush hardness slider is set too soft. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 22:25:08 2009 Received: (qmail 24830 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 20:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 20:25:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64850E18307 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF14BE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6C134AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5948034AC024 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10010 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2009 20:25:00 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2009 20:25:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4A04951B.5080903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:24:59 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <4A033AAC.9050809@chucknorcutt.com> <4A039F61.2010905@chucknorcutt.com> <4A03B2AC.1000906@gmail.com> <4A0412A4.9040606@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0482B2.2060406@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0482B2.2060406@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090507-0, 05/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 22:25:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a049524274378512572685 I think I just got caught up in the Unix talk. In the Unix/Linux world there are lots of hardware differences which are resolved by distributing applications as source. The installer then compiles the source to object code for the target machine (including the GUI interface of choice) and then does the actual install. I think binary installs are a relative rarity. Winders, on the other hand, only does binary installs because both the hardware and the software interfaces are compatible over long periods of time and technological change. In order for a Windows version to work there would have had to be Windows specific source code generated at some point. However, none of the Window stuff on GIMP speaks of Windows source code "versions" only installers. I was very confused and couldn't see how that would work. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> That makes perfect sense to me. Calling it an "installer" does not. >> Knowing that I'd be willing to try it. >> > > You are talking about both. > > - The executable is compiled for windoze. You can probably download it > separately, put it on disk and run it fine. > > - The installer is like most winders installers, a one time executable > that uncompresses the target executable, walks the user through picking > where to install, what options to install, what startup menu group to > add a shortcut to, whether to put shortcuts on desktop and/or taskbar, > etc. It may or may not also make registry entries. My limited experience > of compiling and/or installing open source apps has been that they may > not need registry registration. > > I haven't tried the GIMP for a long time, so I'm sure it's changed since > then. > > Like you, I can't get very excited about learning another tool when I > have so much time and experience in PS. even if another app is as > powerful and useful, a very different UI would set me back a lot. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 23:00:59 2009 Received: (qmail 16947 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 21:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 21:00:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F81EE18306 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDCBE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B2F19F2B5 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:00:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DD419F29B for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:00:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6545 invoked by uid 504); 8 May 2009 21:00:52 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 May 2009 21:00:52 -0000 Message-ID: <4A049D83.8060306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:00:51 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <6509F9B32BE04F4F9D19D8426F1A44DF@jimnichols><4A0415D9.5050207@chucknorcutt.com> <4A041DA8.7080306@chucknorcutt.com> <327C827111FD4B1D863328A23CF9C907@MAIN> <4A044C3C.3030401@chucknorcutt.com> <4A048B4A.3060202@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A048B4A.3060202@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090507-0, 05/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 23:00:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a049d8b177351993019900 You're right. The hardness slider was set at 0. But I don't know how it got there since I didn't deliberately put it there. Be that as it may, in PW Pro, when you select the source data area it is *always* surrounded by a circle showing you the exact size of the pick up area and the target data area shows a similar circle showing the outer limit of the target placement. I find it very disconcerting when Photoshop appears to show a source area image circle but is actually picking up and placing pixels well beyond the circle displayed. Is there some secret parameter I can set to cause it to behave like PW Pro. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Thanks. You are absolutely correct, guilty as charged. I had to >> increase brightness to 100% and shade the monitor from the window >> light to see what you meant. I caught one of those same errors >> before but didn't see that much lighter version. That error is one >> of the reasons why I think PW Pro's clone tool is much superior to >> PS. In PS it's possible to pick up pixels from outside of the >> apparent clone source brush diameter. That's not possible in PW >> Pro which is always what-you-see-is-what-you-get. >> > > I'm only aware of that effect in PS when the Clone tool brush > hardness slider is set too soft. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 23:34:55 2009 Received: (qmail 21911 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 21:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 21:34:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370CCE182FE for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2F1E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E12319F33C for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:34:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A403719F33B for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:34:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJC006E3H9VYWK2@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:34:43 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-137.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.137]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:34:42 -0300 Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 18:34:42 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <972ECE73BD4047AE8BC61353A1CB7E99@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuQKAOtBBEoYik6J/2dsb2JhbACBSoh2xjUHg3YF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,319,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="487042126" References: Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 23:34:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04a57f68271823421471 And an Okanagan VQA will beat the lot ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Collins" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June > On 5/7/09 8:04 PM, John Hudson wrote: >> Jez ......... Not mentioned to date is that southern Ontario produces >> some >> excellent red and white table wines. Along with the excellent red and >> whites >> from the Okanagan Valley in south central British Columbia [our home for >> several years in the 80's and 90s] these wines are every bit as good as >> the >> best from California, Washington and Oregon, and Chile. >> >> Your hosts in Ontario might find time to visit a winery and have you >> enjoy a >> sample of what the Canadian wine business has offer. >> >> jh > > "Niagara wine beats French and California vintages" > > > Michael > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 23:50:49 2009 Received: (qmail 13484 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 21:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 21:50:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86860E182DD for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761F7E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5778734AC025 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:50:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536AE34AC023 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:50:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp05.online.nl (smtp05.online.nl [194.134.41.35]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp05.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp05.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FBC52247 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 23:50:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp05.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 23:50:41 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:50:40 +0200 Message-ID: <214A4740B6164D05A7958E042AEA06FF@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <58ADE41F-5E13-44C9-B082-8F5D7310B2C0@frozenlight.eu> X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp05.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 04/05/2009: a cold pint on a warm afternoon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 23:50:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04a939242031823421471 Looks like an attractive afternoon spending. Especially since the weather seems quite nice. I would like something else to drink however, bbut that is simply a matter of taste. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Nathan Wajsman [mailto:photo@frozenlight.eu] > Verzonden: vrijdag 8 mei 2009 20:54 > Aan: Picture a Day discussion group; Leica Users Group; > leica@freelists.org; Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: [OM] Nathan's PAD 04/05/2009: a cold pint on a > warm afternoon > > > This is what I like to do after work: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#531428495_Npc9K-O-LB > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2102 - Release > Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri May 8 23:56:36 2009 Received: (qmail 19173 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 21:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 21:56:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB01E182D0 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C88E24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4215334AC023 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:56:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9250034AC027 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:56:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:56:29 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n48LuOLO030774; Fri, 8 May 2009 21:56:26 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 16:56:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Another Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri May 8 23:56:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04aa94290142046811720 As I went to the mailbox today, I spied this visitor crossing the sidewalk. Haven't seen one around here in over twenty years. He was approximately 24-inches long, and moved cautiously. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Snake+23a.tif.html The Takumar 1.8/55 was still on the Oly, so that is what I used. Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 00:19:59 2009 Received: (qmail 22325 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 22:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 22:19:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC298E182D9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BFCE24A99 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C8419F3B2 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9C919F3AF for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:19:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1073674ywr.80 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:19:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.229.12 with SMTP id b12mr9835309anh.26.1241821184017; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:19:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A048529.1060104@gmail.com> References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <4A048529.1060104@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:19:43 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d66e736b6320b53f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 00:19:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04b00f247902046811720 Moose wrote: > > I'm not saying that they may not be true for higher resolution 4/3, APS > and full frame sensors, only that I don't believe you have actual data > to support those. Bokeh is obviously affected by a myriad of complex and > sometimes subtle factors. To assume they stay the same across sensor > sizes and resolutions without testing seems wrong to me. > You are absolutely correct in that my own personal experience is mostly limited to a particular camera, but there are certain tell-tails that I've learned to identify and can identify them in other digital cameras, including the full-frame 35mm ones. It's a physics thing which governs all in-camera sensors. Less you think I'm being critical of digital, I'm not. I consider the bokeh of the 100/2.8 on digital to be somewhat flawed. Is this the fault of the digital sensor? I believe the digital capture mechanism along with several other factors have changed the game as to what is required of the lens optics. How could the engineers that designed the Zuiko 100/2.8 back in the early 1970's know how a digital sensor was going to react? This may be the governing force behind why MF sensors typically have no AA filters or microlenses so they may maintain maximum compatibility and consistency with legacy MF lenses. The fact is, my 100/2.8 isn't alone. What about the Zuiko 35/2 which is glorious on film but causes that hot spot in the center of the image on digital? Or consider the Zuiko 200/4 which isn't exactly a top-dog lens on the OM system, but totally surpasses all expectations when attached to a digital body. Or the 35/shift which is also marginally sharp on film, but becomes near legendary on digital? The Zuiko 24/2.8, which is terrific on film is a beast to get sharp on digital. I've also used the term "film" generically. Even among types of film (E-6, C41 color, B&W) there are huge variations in how a film will react to the image being projected on it. If you look at the MTF curves you'll see that Provia, for example, is high resolving and fine grained, but at the 70% point, you'll see that Provia (and Velvia) are actually quite lackluster performers. Most ISO 100 and 160 print films will outperform Provia on the MTF curves! If you want to see just how variable film, subject and optics can be, consider this photograph from a past TOPE: http://www.millennics.com/olympus/tope/tope_show_entry.php?event=14&pic=24 What we have is a high-speed, grainy, B&W film with a textured subject and even some unusual things caused by the mixture of motion and the grain. Would this photograph looked differently with a different film or digital sensor? Of course! Then why does it surprise any of us when we see variations in bokeh between digital cameras and film cameras? AG (stirring the optical pot) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 01:39:39 2009 Received: (qmail 19357 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 23:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 23:39:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D50E182C7 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D319E240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E85734AC029 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:39:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AFD34AC026 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:39:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (hanse112@tc.umn.edu whitelisted) Received: from mta-a3.tc.umn.edu (mta-a3.tc.umn.edu [134.84.119.232]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.243.165.209] (216-243-165-209.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.165.209]) by mta-a3.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:39:30 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] 216-243-165-209.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.165.209] #+TS+AU+HN Message-ID: <4A04C39A.4090408@tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 18:43:22 -0500 From: Dean Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] Latest and greatest X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 01:39:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04c2bb226531234514069 Not wanting to be the first to get the latest and greatest in digital photographic equipment, I thought long and hard about a NIB Olympus E-410 camera kit at a local Ritz Camera store that was closing down. Finally put it on Visa at all of $199. Battery, charger, software, 14-42 lens, camera, strap, etc. First impressions are that it's not built like the E-1, but at the price, I'm ready to try a new toy. Battery's charging now. Dean -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 01:57:47 2009 Received: (qmail 1819 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2009 23:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 May 2009 23:57:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2041AE182C8 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88444E240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7407B34AC02C for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3FD34AC026 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJC0063PNW5CP70@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:57:41 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-137.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.137]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:57:41 -0300 Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 20:57:35 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYMACNkBEoYik6J/2dsb2JhbACBSoh2xXYHg3YF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,320,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="487110763" References: <03319FC8-D235-4C6E-8F21-EB1D06281556@frozenlight.eu> <49FB785E.50903@chucknorcutt.com> <0F2AA7A0974649F099CC72426787878E@hudson> Subject: [OM] one missing Canadian listee X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 01:57:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04c6fb93317927319144 The Reverend Wayne Culberson of south western New Brunswick has not posted to the list for many months now. Mr Culberson spent several periods every year doing God's work in Bolivia and frequently posted photos of his travels. Has anyone heard from Wayne lately? My wife and I met him a year or three ago on his home turf and enjoyed the meeting very much. Wayne, are you out there and lying low? jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 02:02:40 2009 Received: (qmail 5279 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 00:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 00:02:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33634E182E5 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9688E240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B6A34AC026 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:02:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4253610002 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4902Urj004147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:02:31 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <1E9154B5-DCDA-4910-8858-D532A8BCC9D9@gmail.com> <27211548.4931241774628313.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <27211548.4931241774628313.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:02:29 +1000 Message-ID: <002e01c9d039$72678530$57368f90$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnPvSmScNd+EFliQWOA41GRIAwX+gAe4GrQ Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 02:02:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04c82081457350615338 Dawid, This might be of some interest: http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/test/olympus_portrait_lens.htm Unfortunately it doesn't include the 100/2 or 90/2 (I don't have either). A few Nikon lenses for comparison if you're interested: http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/test/nikon_portrait_lens.htm This does include an example of the Nikkor 105/2.5 (earlier Sonnar design), generally thought to be one of the better portrait lenses. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Dawid Loubser [] > Sent: Friday, 8 May 2009 7:12 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? > > That makes sense. I've never used a 40/2.0 (would love one) > but symmetrical designs generally produce great background blur, > and the 40/2.0 is one of the few (if any?) OM Zuiko fully symmetrical > lens > designs? Though the dedicated Macros (80 and 135) are also pretty > symmetrical > if I recall correctly, hence their good performance in the bokeh > department. > > I wish we could put together one nice database (suggested last year > sometime) > of sample images made through all zuiko lenses. > > > On 08 May 2009, at 10:39 AM, Iwert wrote: > > > Certainly the 100f2 is no slouch: > > > > > > > > It provides very nice and smooth bokeh. Next to that I really like > > the 40mm f2 bokeh (and FOV), > > maybe it is not the best, but I like it :). > > > > Iwert > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 02:35:50 2009 Received: (qmail 4054 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 00:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 00:35:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FD8E182EB for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C667E240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EB719F680 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:35:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFB719F67E for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:35:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJC0091QPNIRSS0@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:35:42 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-137.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.137]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:35:42 -0300 Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 21:35:41 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYMAJdsBEoYik6J/2dsb2JhbACBSoh2xVgHg3YF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,320,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="523897182" References: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Recycled Election Signs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 02:35:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04cfe6293151869477228 Would there be more elephants or more donkeys in that 'ere pile of recycled paper? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: [OM] IMG: Recycled Election Signs > Around election time, candidates' signs are always an eyesore. I was > happy to see that they serve a useful purpose as a binding base for > recycled plastic containers. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Recycling+Election+Signs.tif.html > > Comments and critique welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 02:46:59 2009 Received: (qmail 12329 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 00:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 00:46:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3943CE182EA for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0337BE240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD5119F6B1 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:46:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C7119F6AF for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:46:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJC006XKQ63CP90@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:46:51 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-78-137.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.78.137]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:46:51 -0300 Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 21:46:51 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <5E759C2247804A36B0EFCF77C6402749@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYMAGJvBEoYik6J/2dsb2JhbACBSoh2xVYHg3YF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,320,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="338379572" References: Subject: [OM] calling Sandy Harris in China X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 02:46:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04d28389741702588592 Sandy ........... do you have a brother Ian in Peking ? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/5278200/Sign-language-week-48.html?image=12 ps: the last Governor General of Hong Hong opinioned that calling Peking Beijing was a bit like labelling Rome as "Roma" jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Recycled Election Signs > Would there be more elephants or more donkeys in that 'ere pile of > recycled > paper? > > jh > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" > Cc: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:57 PM > Subject: [OM] IMG: Recycled Election Signs > > >> Around election time, candidates' signs are always an eyesore. I was >> happy to see that they serve a useful purpose as a binding base for >> recycled plastic containers. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Recycling+Election+Signs.tif.html >> >> Comments and critique welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 02:56:06 2009 Received: (qmail 958 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 00:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 00:56:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8282E182D4 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812E0E240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8D534AC02C for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:56:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B2234AC02B for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:56:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1113013ywr.80 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:56:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.171.13 with SMTP id t13mr8559016ane.1.1241830560200; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:56:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A04C39A.4090408@tc.umn.edu> References: <4A04C39A.4090408@tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:56:00 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6938775e9012c9c0 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Latest and greatest X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 02:56:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04d4a6265721499373980 Good job, Dean. Nice deal! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 02:59:04 2009 Received: (qmail 21471 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 00:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 00:59:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA57E181AE for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5358E240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA1C19F6C6 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:58:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2923419F6C4 for ; 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9 May 2009 01:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 01:18:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE970E182E4 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71756E240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5941934AC02C for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:18:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915EB34AC029 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:18:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so1111914yxf.80 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:18:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.41.18 with SMTP id o18mr8550358ano.36.1241831924758; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:18:44 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bb3780a669d3e276 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] A 40k milestone X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 03:18:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04d9fb77081234514069 Yes, my E-1 just passed 40,000 this last week. It might not be much compared to some people's shooting rates, but it's still not too slouchy considering that I shoot with multiple cameras. If I figure the lens cost me $500, the E-1 cost me $525. So that's about $0.013 per picture. I can live with that for a digital camera purchase. The grip is getting about as baggy as a teenager's unbelted blue-jeans, but it isn't showing any signs of slowing down. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 03:20:14 2009 Received: (qmail 10457 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 01:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 01:20:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AE8E182E9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AEEE240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D32719F70B for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:20:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F2719F70A for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:20:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (daniel.sepke@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so1112264yxf.80 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.96.9 with SMTP id t9mr10033567anb.106.1241832007167; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DSPT60 (mail.saint-marys.edu [216.174.58.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm1191000yxm.11.2009.05.08.18.20.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 08 May 2009 18:20:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel Sepke" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <6509F9B32BE04F4F9D19D8426F1A44DF@jimnichols><4A0415D9.5050207@chucknorcutt.com> <4A041DA8.7080306@chucknorcutt.com> <327C827111FD4B1D863328A23CF9C907@MAIN> <4A044C3C.3030401@chucknorcutt.com> <4A048B4A.3060202@gmail.com> <4A049D83.8060306@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A049D83.8060306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:20:08 -0400 Message-ID: <4a04da46.2204be0a.300f.7d8a@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnQIBeVs25wa2wQSeyIl9W756K5MgAIswTA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 03:20:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04da4e99111946193717 Chuck, I am not sure if this will be the exact solution to your needs as I don't use PWP but if you set the hardness to 100% for any given brush diameter you will get the exact size of the brush sourced with no over spill. My test to confirm this was to make a black rectangle on a white canvas then sample from the black and stamp onto the white to see the end result. It was quite educational for me actually as there are many preset brush types that I never normally look at (I did the test in CS3 BTW). I am pretty sure I will be looking to use the texture brushes for those larger cover up jobs where variation in texture can be important. Dan. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. You're right. The hardness slider was set at 0. But I don't know how it got there since I didn't deliberately put it there. Be that as it may, in PW Pro, when you select the source data area it is *always* surrounded by a circle showing you the exact size of the pick up area and the target data area shows a similar circle showing the outer limit of the target placement. I find it very disconcerting when Photoshop appears to show a source area image circle but is actually picking up and placing pixels well beyond the circle displayed. Is there some secret parameter I can set to cause it to behave like PW Pro. Chuck Norcut -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 03:21:01 2009 Received: (qmail 20423 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 01:21:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 01:21:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC0DE182B5 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620CFE240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D93519F711 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:20:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8262619F710 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29636 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2009 01:20:54 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090508-0, 05/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 03:21:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04da7d164174673671140 He/she is a beauty, well captured (and not too dark :-)). Since you live in Tennessee and say the snake was about 24" long it's got to be a Rough Green Snake. The only similar snake in the US is the Smooth Green Snake but he doesn't live in Tennessee and a 24" guy would be approaching the world's record. But Rough Greens cover 1/2 or more of the country and can grow a lot longer than 24". But they're always long and slender. They're called "rough" because they have keeled scales. The scales are shaped like an upside down boat hull with a distinct keel line running down the middle. If you pick one up you'll know immediately why it's called rough. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > As I went to the mailbox today, I spied this visitor crossing the sidewalk. Haven't seen one around here in over twenty years. He was approximately 24-inches long, and moved cautiously. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Snake+23a.tif.html > > The Takumar 1.8/55 was still on the Oly, so that is what I used. > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 03:21:35 2009 Received: (qmail 18001 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 01:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 01:21:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51E7E182D0 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A99E240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5EC119F712 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:21:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3FB19F711 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:21:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:21:01 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n491KtcZ025506 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 01:20:58 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:21:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Recycled Election Signs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 03:21:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04da9f54511823421471 Hi John, The elephants are the ones that are visible. The cardboard signs were used in the baling machine to help contain a lot of crushed plastic containers. The paper is usually baled without such colorful material. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Recycled Election Signs > Would there be more elephants or more donkeys in that 'ere pile of > recycled > paper? > > jh > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" > Cc: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:57 PM > Subject: [OM] IMG: Recycled Election Signs > > >> Around election time, candidates' signs are always an eyesore. I was >> happy to see that they serve a useful purpose as a binding base for >> recycled plastic containers. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Recycling+Election+Signs.tif.html >> >> Comments and critique welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 03:30:15 2009 Received: (qmail 26462 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 01:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 01:30:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50700E182C9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1003E240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5FE19F72A for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:30:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEB319F727 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:30:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.68]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8382 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2009 01:30:09 -0000 Message-ID: <24962.6255.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: s75xc1IVM1ncCSXHGeegeUqTHs6Q0qlT.XyMxRO1zOObwGASpcqcuJh8UBL7p5E4AXtxBAkWyuOkdJpnO92RMA7RxeGAeeO76zWNOsAxJYWNC.eStWbLf2uE8YDPX_yt0Uhkdc_hoJ6224TSVMMLpF8ts6ohBsNmoCgmmX0oXSbWzZNZnlz5YQi1KFIYdq_vcrkf8CUqheYyXGW6qPu5XEnYGrguF2FxEN8LiM9CGpi6phNxLXFZSCFx5843bApOiwuCe6zPesOjZ.UtHlXKEmlEj7X3LhicbGUB3m66STtxH9aCKFcdU_SVh.1Jgew7L5o- Received: from [69.204.7.197] by web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:30:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:30:08 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] A 40k milestone X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 03:30:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04dca7227683675314703 Very nice. I think someone predicted the E1 would be a cult favorite. Seems to be turning out that way. I have come across people acquiring E1's recently because they are so rugged. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 03:50:47 2009 Received: (qmail 31435 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 01:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 01:50:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A551DE182DC for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667D8E240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C75B34AC029 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:50:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CB634AC02C for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:50:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1129595ywr.80 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:50:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.213.7 with SMTP id l7mr10139545ang.78.1241833837860; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:50:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <24962.6255.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <24962.6255.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:50:37 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bbdc052273e62998 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A 40k milestone X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 03:50:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04e176114117927319144 > > Very nice. I think someone predicted the E1 would be a cult favorite. Seems > to be turning out that way. I have come across people acquiring E1's > recently because they are so rugged. People tend to regret getting rid of certain cameras through the years and I suspect that the E-1 will be that way. I doubt that I'll ever get rid of mine. Really no need to as the resale value of mine would be so low anyway. Why bother. It'll serve me better as a beater that I don't have to worry about. Besides, with the eyecup, grid screen, battery grip and scrapes and dings, it's about where I want it to be. Kinda a bummer that these cameras don't brass. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 03:54:23 2009 Received: (qmail 20291 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 01:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 01:54:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1778E182DA for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3536E240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8387734AC02C for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0847634AC029 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18402 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2009 01:54:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2009 01:54:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4A04E247.6040003@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 21:54:15 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A04C39A.4090408@tc.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: <4A04C39A.4090408@tc.umn.edu> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090508-0, 05/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Latest and greatest X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 03:54:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04e24f68751073733319 $199. That's a great price. Hope you like it. Chuck Norcutt Dean Hansen wrote: > Not wanting to be the first to get the latest and greatest in digital > photographic equipment, I thought long and hard about a NIB Olympus > E-410 camera kit at a local Ritz Camera store that was closing down. > Finally put it on Visa at all of $199. Battery, charger, software, > 14-42 lens, camera, strap, etc. First impressions are that it's not > built like the E-1, but at the price, I'm ready to try a new toy. > Battery's charging now. Dean -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 03:57:14 2009 Received: (qmail 3805 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 01:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 01:57:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB4AE182EA for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29329E240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C2719F771 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:57:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB7619F76E for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:57:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:57:08 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n491v3Mg009614 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 01:57:05 GMT Message-ID: <8318AABA82204F7CA4936F7AA776FB46@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A04DA75.6080803@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:58:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 03:57:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04e2fa249991993019900 Hi Chuck, Thanks for the kind words. RAW capture is a blessing when you must shoot quickly and can later make adjustments before making the conversion. As to the rough vs smooth difference, I'll take your word for the feel. I agree, that, because of his length, it had to be of the rough variety. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Visitor > He/she is a beauty, well captured (and not too dark :-)). Since you > live in Tennessee and say the snake was about 24" long it's got to be a > Rough Green Snake. The only similar snake in the US is the Smooth Green > Snake but he doesn't live in Tennessee and a 24" guy would be > approaching the world's record. But Rough Greens cover 1/2 or more of > the country and can grow a lot longer than 24". But they're always long > and slender. They're called "rough" because they have keeled scales. > The scales are shaped like an upside down boat hull with a distinct keel > line running down the middle. If you pick one up you'll know > immediately why it's called rough. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> As I went to the mailbox today, I spied this visitor crossing the >> sidewalk. Haven't seen one around here in over twenty years. He was >> approximately 24-inches long, and moved cautiously. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Snake+23a.tif.html >> >> The Takumar 1.8/55 was still on the Oly, so that is what I used. >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 04:05:30 2009 Received: (qmail 31711 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 02:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 02:05:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A31AE182E7 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A9EE240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F6D19F793 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:05:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF13719F792 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:05:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25966 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2009 02:05:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 04:05:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04e4ea295391869477228 Thanks, I'll have to check that out and also keep looking for that elusive WYSIWYG switch. :-) Chuck Norcutt Daniel Sepke wrote: > Chuck, > > I am not sure if this will be the exact solution to your needs as I don't > use PWP but if you set the hardness to 100% for any given brush diameter you > will get the exact size of the brush sourced with no over spill. My test to > confirm this was to make a black rectangle on a white canvas then sample > from the black and stamp onto the white to see the end result. > > It was quite educational for me actually as there are many preset brush > types that I never normally look at (I did the test in CS3 BTW). I am pretty > sure I will be looking to use the texture brushes for those larger cover up > jobs where variation in texture can be important. > > Dan. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Norcutt > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. > > You're right. The hardness slider was set at 0. But I don't know how > it got there since I didn't deliberately put it there. Be that as it > may, in PW Pro, when you select the source data area it is *always* > surrounded by a circle showing you the exact size of the pick up area > and the target data area shows a similar circle showing the outer limit > of the target placement. I find it very disconcerting when Photoshop > appears to show a source area image circle but is actually picking up > and placing pixels well beyond the circle displayed. Is there some > secret parameter I can set to cause it to behave like PW Pro. > > Chuck Norcut > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 04:08:45 2009 Received: (qmail 10721 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 02:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 02:08:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA722E182F2 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AABE240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4004A34AC02D for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:08:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5BB34AC02C for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:08:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28313 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2009 02:08:36 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090508-0, 05/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 04/05/2009: a cold pint on a warm afternoon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 04:08:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04e5ad300938512572685 Another nice exposure considering the sunlit background. Good bokeh too. But the guy at the other table seems not too sure what you're up to. :-) Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This is what I like to do after work: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#531428495_Npc9K-O-LB > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 04:13:49 2009 Received: (qmail 9437 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 02:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 02:13:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BAAE182C7 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4350CE240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387BB19F79F for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:13:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8479F19F797 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:13:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30942 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2009 02:13:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090508-0, 05/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 04:13:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a04e6dd237331023412894 Should you have a chance to pick one up... not to worry. They're very docile. Probably wouldn't even attempt to bite you and couldn't hurt you even if he did. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > Thanks for the kind words. RAW capture is a blessing when you must shoot > quickly and can later make adjustments before making the conversion. > > As to the rough vs smooth difference, I'll take your word for the feel. I > agree, that, because of his length, it had to be of the rough variety. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Visitor > > >> He/she is a beauty, well captured (and not too dark :-)). Since you >> live in Tennessee and say the snake was about 24" long it's got to be a >> Rough Green Snake. The only similar snake in the US is the Smooth Green >> Snake but he doesn't live in Tennessee and a 24" guy would be >> approaching the world's record. But Rough Greens cover 1/2 or more of >> the country and can grow a lot longer than 24". But they're always long >> and slender. They're called "rough" because they have keeled scales. >> The scales are shaped like an upside down boat hull with a distinct keel >> line running down the middle. If you pick one up you'll know >> immediately why it's called rough. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> As I went to the mailbox today, I spied this visitor crossing the >>> sidewalk. Haven't seen one around here in over twenty years. He was >>> approximately 24-inches long, and moved cautiously. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Snake+23a.tif.html >>> >>> The Takumar 1.8/55 was still on the Oly, so that is what I used. >>> >>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 05:04:28 2009 Received: (qmail 32619 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 03:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 03:04:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3CAE182CB for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 20:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FACE240A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 20:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06C219F81D for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 20:04:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8207319F81B for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 20:04:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 20:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.58.87] (87.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.87]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463003DA35C for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:04:13 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 15:04:15 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A059B6F.24364.1CEAD50@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) X-Antivirus: avast! 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My site has been invaded and index files have had iFrame cgi links injected which link immediately to send you the Trojan horse JS:Redirector-H2 The Host IT people are working on this but reinfection is taking place very quickly. If your virus protection is up to date you should be OK however; Avast protected me in very good time. Cheers Brian Swale. Stay away from http://www.brianswale.com in the meantime. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 05:21:56 2009 Received: (qmail 31354 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 03:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 03:21:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C3EE182B9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 20:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBFEE240AC for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 20:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF4E19F838 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 20:21:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E840219F82F for ; 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9 May 2009 05:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 05:49:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DC5E181AE for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D58E240AC for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1379919FE80 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:49:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEDC19FE7E for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:49:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 22:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n495n8jY001689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:49:10 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <4A048529.1060104@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:49:06 +1000 Message-ID: <002f01c9d069$debef5d0$9c3ce170$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnQKyIJa6gPsPW6QgO7zp64/CKwJAAPg71A Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 07:49:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a051960112041591313764 This doesn't happen with my example of the Z 35/2 on E-510 (just retested it to make sure). The worst lenses in my collection for this problem are Tamron 90/2.5 and Nikon 50/1.8 Series E. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > What about the Zuiko 35/2 which > is > glorious on film but causes that hot spot in the center of the image on > digital? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 12:08:36 2009 Received: (qmail 23379 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 10:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 10:08:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBD1E181B2 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C7CE240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F4D34AC025 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:08:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C979B34AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:08:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.12] (12.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.12]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E673DA290 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:08:16 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 22:08:20 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A05FED4.13084.352EE70@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090508-0, 08/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] (OM) Trojan horse X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 12:08:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05562487711869477228 Hi all, The infected (16) files in my website appear to have all been replaced with non-infected as far as I can tell, and my password access has been altered and strengthened. A random check of files in every gallery picked up no new infection. Will be interesting to see what the morrow brings. Brian Brian Swale. http://www.brianswale.com Mobile 021 143 4249 3/7 Menzies Street, Sumner, Christchurch 8081 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 12:10:13 2009 Received: (qmail 16129 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 10:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 10:10:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A39E182EA for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89166E240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73CF434AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:10:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D25834AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:10:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.12] (12.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.12]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF583DA39E for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:10:07 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 22:10:11 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A05FF43.11491.354A095@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090508-0, 08/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Tope hot & cold X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 12:10:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a055685206011342116753 Does anybody know what's happening here? Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 12:59:56 2009 Received: (qmail 18554 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 10:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 10:59:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C30CE182DF for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A3FE240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A955C34AC025 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:59:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC26234AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:59:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.58.212] (212.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.212]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3293DA430 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:59:48 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 22:59:51 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A060AE7.4428.3821B0A@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090508-0, 08/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Description: Mail message body X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] (OM) Web-page sizes and download times X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 12:59:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05622c54563675314703 Out of curiosity, I checked the file sizes of a few notable and one less notable web-site(s). Mine being the latter. Facebook took 512,882 bytes to get to the point of presenting the full login screen. But it took at least 2 minutes to get there; probably more. I think the time was due to the complexity of the browser having to de-code very involved javascript. >From login to the complete loading of my 'Home' page, the total was 1,019,371 bytes. Lots more javascript resulted in about another 2+ minutes. Ken's Zone 10 front page used up 828,008 bytes in its present form with 2 biggish images, and it took maybe less than 2 minutes. My own pages, the front page plus the next step the gallery page, used the surprising total of 425,698 bytes. I had no idea I had loaded that many to get there. And I have organised things so that wherever possible, images get re-used out of cache rather than needing to be downloaded more than once. These two pages were faster than any of the others by two orders of magnitude, probably due to the code being very simple for the browser to interpret. ......... .................. !! Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 13:21:14 2009 Received: (qmail 806 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 11:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 11:21:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A98E182ED for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF326E240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B138C19DF83 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:21:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA9A19DEE1 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:21:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.125] (125.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.125]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CCB3DA32B for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:21:04 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 23:21:08 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A060FE4.16531.3959500@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090508-0, 08/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 13:21:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a056729252298512572685 Marc from Noosa wrote > If I select the Text tool, I then draw a box on the graphic where I am > wanting the text. It doesn't matter if it's bigger than the intended text, > and it's actually preferable if it is. At the same time, the small window > comes up into which I input my text. To change the font, its size, it's > colour, and its placement within the box (justification), I make the > necessary selections at the bottom of the Toolbox window (beneath all the > icons). As with Photoshop (well, Elements and 7 as far as I know), this > actually becomes another layer, and I can also then still move it around > to place it where I want it on the background with the Move tool (the icon > in the Toolbox that looks like a cross with "arrows" on each end). I can > also still edit the text further. > > Does this match what you see in The Gimp? > > (If you wish, and if you're not experiencing it as above and are too > frustrated with positioning it so, I would be happy to create button > for you to your requirements. That is, if you don't mind waiting - my > midweeks are less busy than my weekends) > > Cheers, > Marc Thanks for the offer Marc. But I'm pretty-well done with making buttons now, and if I have real concerns about bad text placement, I'll in future make the button taller, and crop to suit after writing on it/them. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 13:21:48 2009 Received: (qmail 13639 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 11:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 11:21:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C28AE182DB for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1239EE240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B721319DF92 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:21:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2310E19DEE1 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:21:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@m93.myzen.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.140]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2kce-0004Pe-I0 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 09 May 2009 11:21:40 +0000 Message-ID: <4A056744.9090903@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 12:21:40 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A060AE7.4428.3821B0A@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4A060AE7.4428.3821B0A@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [217.155.39.109] Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Web-page sizes and download times X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 13:21:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05674c104177350615338 Brian, Reckon there may be something wrong with your connection. Just tried all 3 examples here & they all loaded in a few seconds (on a standard ADSL line). No website which takes 2 minutes to load is going to get any traffic... Martyn Brian Swale wrote: > Out of curiosity, I checked the file sizes of a few notable and one less > notable web-site(s). Mine being the latter. > > Facebook took 512,882 bytes to get to the point of presenting the full login > screen. But it took at least 2 minutes to get there; probably more. I think > the time was due to the complexity of the browser having to de-code very > involved javascript. > > >From login to the complete loading of my 'Home' page, the total was > 1,019,371 bytes. Lots more javascript resulted in about another 2+ minutes. > > Ken's Zone 10 front page used up 828,008 bytes in its present form with 2 > biggish images, and it took maybe less than 2 minutes. > > My own pages, the front page plus the next step the gallery page, used the > surprising total of 425,698 bytes. I had no idea I had loaded that many to get > there. And I have organised things so that wherever possible, images get > re-used out of cache rather than needing to be downloaded more than once. > These two pages were faster than any of the others by two orders of > magnitude, probably due to the code being very simple for the browser to > interpret. > ......... .................. !! > Brian Swale. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 13:22:41 2009 Received: (qmail 6732 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 11:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 11:22:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD9BE182E1 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA11E240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA9E34AC027 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8981B34AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:22:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448A2C96FF for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 12:47:45 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <2320C546-EED2-4BD5-80F2-360C925D0AE4@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:22:34 +0100 References: <03319FC8-D235-4C6E-8F21-EB1D06281556@frozenlight.eu> <49FB785E.50903@chucknorcutt.com> <0F2AA7A0974649F099CC72426787878E@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] one missing Canadian listee X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 13:22:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05678175171234514069 Good point, John. I found his Smugmug pages (http://pastway.smugmug.com/) and the latest updates are from December last year. Chris On 9 May 2009, at 00:57, John Hudson wrote: > The Reverend Wayne Culberson of south western New Brunswick has not > posted > to the list for many months now. > > Mr Culberson spent several periods every year doing God's work in > Bolivia > and frequently posted photos of his travels. > > Has anyone heard from Wayne lately? My wife and I met him a year or > three > ago on his home turf and enjoyed the meeting very much. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 13:24:05 2009 Received: (qmail 24774 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 11:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 11:24:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFBBE182E9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636DFE240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549D019DFA6 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:24:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4F819DEE1 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:24:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C03C96FF for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 12:49:09 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5325F3BB-DECE-46FC-BB1B-A412C5F6A7D5@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <58ADE41F-5E13-44C9-B082-8F5D7310B2C0@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:23:59 +0100 References: <58ADE41F-5E13-44C9-B082-8F5D7310B2C0@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 04/05/2009: a cold pint on a warm afternoon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 13:24:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0567d523001234514069 A nice afternoon looks like that to me as well, Nathan. :-) Chris On 8 May 2009, at 19:54, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This is what I like to do after work: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#531428495_Npc9K-O-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 13:25:59 2009 Received: (qmail 2035 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 11:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 11:25:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A29CE182E0 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8289E240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA79D19DFBA for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:25:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A56E19DEE1 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:25:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F221EC96FF for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 12:51:02 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <1ADA5E60-DFDE-4BBA-9F76-1322D8D8B45E@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:25:52 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 13:25:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05684755931342116753 It looks good on mine as well, Chris, Chuck and Jim. In fact it looks very good to my eyes. Chris On 8 May 2009, at 13:08, Chris Crawford wrote: > It looked good on my screen. Is your monitor calibrated? With an > image that > has a broad range of tones from bright white to very dark tones, > monitor > calibration is very important...if it is off just a little an image > like > Jim's won't look good. Consider also that come Mac users still use > the gamma > 1.8 standard instead of the 2.2 standard that is now preferred. > Images on > the web often look too dark on a 1.8 gamma screen. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 13:31:46 2009 Received: (qmail 8277 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 11:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 11:31:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD668E182F0 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB6CE240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4027619DFD7 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:31:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B5519DFC7 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:31:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FA1C9814 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 12:56:49 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <04D287FE-A04F-41C0-BF2D-34DA3353825A@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A036E76.14722.1AE9639@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:31:38 +0100 References: <4A036E76.14722.1AE9639@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) During the last month ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 13:31:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0569a275591993019900 Sorry, Brian. I had not considered the problem of dial-up. But I should have thought that a script-driven gallery system would automatically put Forward and Back links into each page, using html rather than javascript. I have gallery pages which I think are html and css without javascript (www.threeshoes.biz). You could try them and see if the loading speed is bad. My site needs updating, by the way ... Chris On 7 May 2009, at 12:27, Brian Swale wrote: > > Thanks for the kind words Chris. I have had nearly two weeks away > during > which time I could add no images. > > I do all the coding by hand using pure html (so far, although I > might add > javascript to randomly rotate a selection of images in some places). > > As far as I can tell, pure html gives much faster loading than any > page with > javascript. Maybe with broadband that doesn't matter, but here, > people using > broadband may be in the minority. Most are probably using dial-up, > as I am. > snip > > Also thanks to Mike for encouragement. I might add a separate > directory for > larger images for the OM group. I'm not using my other site for this > as it is > jam-packed full. > > Brian Swale. Daytime phone 03 326 7447 > http://www.brianswale.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 13:33:13 2009 Received: (qmail 8764 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 11:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 11:33:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B71E182DB for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFC3E240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41E019DFD7 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:33:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0746019DFFC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:33:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090509113308037.OGMB13493@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 11:33:08 +0000 Message-Id: <59DE1F16-40E7-4885-899A-03A7FD538E80@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <58ADE41F-5E13-44C9-B082-8F5D7310B2C0@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:33:06 -0400 References: <58ADE41F-5E13-44C9-B082-8F5D7310B2C0@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 04/05/2009: a cold pint on a warm afternoon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 13:33:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0569f9224471257536491 I like the fuzzy guy in the background watching you take a picture of your beer. A penny for his thoughts. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 8, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This is what I like to do after work: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#531428495_Npc9K-O-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 13:41:19 2009 Received: (qmail 7834 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 11:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 11:41:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A17E182E9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E054E240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814E419E033 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:41:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A9819E02F for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:41:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@m93.myzen.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 04:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2kvX-0003Bh-UY for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 09 May 2009 11:41:12 +0000 Message-ID: <4A056BD8.8070901@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 12:41:12 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A060AE7.4428.3821B0A@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A056744.9090903@m93.myzen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A056744.9090903@m93.myzen.co.uk> X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [217.155.39.109] Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Web-page sizes and download times X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 13:41:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a056bdf277261702588592 I suppose being on dial-up may have something to do with it..... :-) Martyn Smoothy wrote: > Brian, > > Reckon there may be something wrong with your connection. Just tried all > 3 examples here & they all loaded in a few seconds (on a standard ADSL > line). > > No website which takes 2 minutes to load is going to get any traffic... > > Martyn > > > > > Brian Swale wrote: > >> Out of curiosity, I checked the file sizes of a few notable and one less >> notable web-site(s). Mine being the latter. >> >> Facebook took 512,882 bytes to get to the point of presenting the full login >> screen. But it took at least 2 minutes to get there; probably more. I think >> the time was due to the complexity of the browser having to de-code very >> involved javascript. >> >> >From login to the complete loading of my 'Home' page, the total was >> 1,019,371 bytes. Lots more javascript resulted in about another 2+ minutes. >> >> Ken's Zone 10 front page used up 828,008 bytes in its present form with 2 >> biggish images, and it took maybe less than 2 minutes. >> >> My own pages, the front page plus the next step the gallery page, used the >> surprising total of 425,698 bytes. I had no idea I had loaded that many to get >> there. And I have organised things so that wherever possible, images get >> re-used out of cache rather than needing to be downloaded more than once. >> These two pages were faster than any of the others by two orders of >> magnitude, probably due to the code being very simple for the browser to >> interpret. >> ......... .................. !! >> Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 15:22:41 2009 Received: (qmail 9891 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 13:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 13:22:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5241E182AF for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56C1E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C4B19E290 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:22:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7C219E28D for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:22:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp04.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp04.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 31.red-83-33-127.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.33.127.31]:60931 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay04.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.44]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1M2mVX-0004Hk-FU (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sat, 09 May 2009 14:22:28 +0100 Message-Id: <2FC7D632-EBEE-48D2-9227-134D3346F7BF@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion , Picture a Day discussion group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:22:26 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 04/05/2009 amended: another pint, with wife attached X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 15:22:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0583a19991993019900 I am quite amazed at the number of responses to my little pint of Guinness. Obviously, a lot of people here can relate to a pint in good weather :-) So as an amendment, here is the overall setting, with another brand of beer involved: http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#531932176_2MNub-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 15:29:21 2009 Received: (qmail 32462 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 13:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 13:29:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68424E182EF for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09ECE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3F734AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:29:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D29734AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:29:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (doug9345@localnet.com whitelisted) Received: from extsmtp2.localnet.com (extsmtp2.localnet.com [207.251.194.40]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22152 invoked by uid 1013); 9 May 2009 13:29:14 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by holster (envelope-from , uid 1005) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 13.212032 secs); 09 May 2009 13:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp2.localnet.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 13:29:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 18005 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 13:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-15-207.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.15.207]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp5.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 May 2009 13:29:15 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:38:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <4A060AE7.4428.3821B0A@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A056744.9090903@m93.myzen.co.uk> <4A056BD8.8070901@m93.myzen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A056BD8.8070901@m93.myzen.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905090938.39187.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Web-page sizes and download times X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 15:29:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a058531232265368819438 On Saturday, May 09, 2009 07:41, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > I suppose being on dial-up may have something to do with it..... :-) I use dial up. I have found that it runs consistantly at 6 minutes per megabyte. On sites which I visit often and the big pieces don't change caching will reduce load times somewhat. > > Martyn Smoothy wrote: > > Brian, > > > > Reckon there may be something wrong with your connection. Just tried all > > 3 examples here & they all loaded in a few seconds (on a standard ADSL > > line). > > > > No website which takes 2 minutes to load is going to get any traffic... > > > > Martyn > > > > Brian Swale wrote: > >> Out of curiosity, I checked the file sizes of a few notable and one less > >> notable web-site(s). Mine being the latter. > >> > >> Facebook took 512,882 bytes to get to the point of presenting the full > >> login screen. But it took at least 2 minutes to get there; probably > >> more. I think the time was due to the complexity of the browser having > >> to de-code very involved javascript. > >> > >> >From login to the complete loading of my 'Home' page, the total was > >> > >> 1,019,371 bytes. Lots more javascript resulted in about another 2+ > >> minutes. > >> > >> Ken's Zone 10 front page used up 828,008 bytes in its present form with > >> 2 biggish images, and it took maybe less than 2 minutes. > >> > >> My own pages, the front page plus the next step the gallery page, used > >> the surprising total of 425,698 bytes. I had no idea I had loaded that > >> many to get there. And I have organised things so that wherever > >> possible, images get re-used out of cache rather than needing to be > >> downloaded more than once. These two pages were faster than any of the > >> others by two orders of magnitude, probably due to the code being very > >> simple for the browser to interpret. > >> ......... .................. !! > >> Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 15:32:59 2009 Received: (qmail 15126 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 13:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 13:32:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDEA2E18228 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCD1E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD60C19E2C6 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:32:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C3419E29B for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:32:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp07.online.nl (smtp07.online.nl [194.134.42.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp07.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53B198055 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:32:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:32:49 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:32:47 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <4A04C39A.4090408@tc.umn.edu> Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp07.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Latest and greatest X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 15:32:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05860b188391946193717 Great deal! Have fun. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Dean Hansen [mailto:hanse112@tc.umn.edu] > Verzonden: zaterdag 9 mei 2009 1:43 > Aan: olympus@thomasclausen.net > Onderwerp: [OM] Latest and greatest > > > Not wanting to be the first to get the latest and greatest in digital > photographic equipment, I thought long and hard about a NIB Olympus > E-410 camera kit at a local Ritz Camera store that was closing down. > Finally put it on Visa at all of $199. Battery, charger, software, > 14-42 lens, camera, strap, etc. First impressions are that it's not > built like the E-1, but at the price, I'm ready to try a new toy. > Battery's charging now. Dean > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release > Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 15:33:35 2009 Received: (qmail 13992 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 13:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 13:33:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C6BE182ED for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE5AE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB16334AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:33:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAFB734AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:33:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 06:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n49DXHbB020960 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:33:18 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com><4A048529.1060104@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 21:33:11 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 15:33:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05862f94511823421471 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > You are absolutely correct in that my own personal experience is mostly > limited to a particular camera, but there are certain tell-tails that I've > learned to identify and can identify them in other digital cameras, > including the full-frame 35mm ones. It's a physics thing which governs all > in-camera sensors. > > Less you think I'm being critical of digital, I'm not. I consider the > bokeh > of the 100/2.8 on digital to be somewhat flawed. Is this the fault of the > digital sensor? I believe the digital capture mechanism along with > several > other factors have changed the game as to what is required of the lens > optics. How could the engineers that designed the Zuiko 100/2.8 back in > the > early 1970's know how a digital sensor was going to react? This may be the > governing force behind why MF sensors typically have no AA filters or > microlenses so they may maintain maximum compatibility and consistency > with > legacy MF lenses. > Even you are not critical on digital but the E-1 is really low in resolution, together with the 4/3 size your experience on digital could have big different with the one with high resolution FF sensor. I'm not sure if microlenses and AA filters has anything to do with bokeh, this elements are affecting the micro level (resolution) while the bokeh is a much bigger stuff. > The fact is, my 100/2.8 isn't alone. What about the Zuiko 35/2 which is > glorious on film but causes that hot spot in the center of the image on > digital? Or consider the Zuiko 200/4 which isn't exactly a top-dog lens on > the OM system, but totally surpasses all expectations when attached to a > digital body. Or the 35/shift which is also marginally sharp on film, but > becomes near legendary on digital? The Zuiko 24/2.8, which is terrific on > film is a beast to get sharp on digital. I use the 35/2 a lot for family shots, while it was good but never exceptional, I have tried it on digital it was also good starting at F4. Same for the 200/4, I don't know how it surpasses your expectations but sure not me. It do better with E-1 could be due to lower shutter vibration and no stop down mechanism movement, they can cause serious trouble with OM 200/4. For the 35 shift my sample is very sharp on film, I found the same with digital, here is a 4000dpi scan with my 35 shift at F4 or F5.6: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/35shift-01.jpg I don't own the 24/2.8 anymore but you don't get sharp image on digital is easy to understand, a 24/2.8 is very hard to focus on the tiny viewfinder. I have changed my impressions on my Zuikos on digital since getting liveview, a lot of problem were actually came from focusing. > > I've also used the term "film" generically. Even among types of film (E-6, > C41 color, B&W) there are huge variations in how a film will react to the > image being projected on it. If you look at the MTF curves you'll see > that > Provia, for example, is high resolving and fine grained, but at the 70% > point, you'll see that Provia (and Velvia) are actually quite lackluster > performers. Most ISO 100 and 160 print films will outperform Provia on the > MTF curves! > I don't know how you compare slide with negative, what MTF you are talking about? 10lp/mm or 30lp/mm, you are talking about local contrast or resolution? I usually use Velvia for resolution test, I remember it resolve around 80lp/mm, if my memory serve me well no color negative run better. > If you want to see just how variable film, subject and optics can be, > consider this photograph from a past TOPE: > > http://www.millennics.com/olympus/tope/tope_show_entry.php?event=14&pic=24 > > What we have is a high-speed, grainy, B&W film with a textured subject and > even some unusual things caused by the mixture of motion and the grain. > > Would this photograph looked differently with a different film or digital > sensor? Of course! Then why does it surprise any of us when we see > variations in bokeh between digital cameras and film cameras? You have tried to change the bokeh topic to many other different ones. Your comment on bokeh surprise me because it does not match my experience, I have seen similar OOF performance with Zuiko on film and FF digital. C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 16:11:37 2009 Received: (qmail 28053 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 14:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 14:11:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2F2E182EF for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 07:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D78E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 07:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A7C19E3DE for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 07:11:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A15819E3DC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 07:11:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl33.gs02.gridserver.com (cl33.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.42]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 07:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50553 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl33.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2nH0-0003zk-GS for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 09 May 2009 07:11:30 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 10:11:28 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] (OM) Web-page sizes and download times Thread-Index: AcnQsAtZSiLWSDyjEd6zywAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <200905090938.39187.doug9345@localnet.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Web-page sizes and download times X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 16:11:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a058f19136222046811720 How on Earth can you deal with such long load times? I'd pull my hair out! DSL rules! -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/9/09 9:38 AM, "Doug" wrote: > On Saturday, May 09, 2009 07:41, Martyn Smoothy wrote: >> I suppose being on dial-up may have something to do with it..... :-) > > I use dial up. I have found that it runs consistantly at 6 minutes per > megabyte. On sites which I visit often and the big pieces don't change > caching will reduce load times somewhat. > >> >> Martyn Smoothy wrote: >>> Brian, >>> >>> Reckon there may be something wrong with your connection. Just tried all >>> 3 examples here & they all loaded in a few seconds (on a standard ADSL >>> line). >>> >>> No website which takes 2 minutes to load is going to get any traffic... >>> >>> Martyn >>> >>> Brian Swale wrote: >>>> Out of curiosity, I checked the file sizes of a few notable and one less >>>> notable web-site(s). Mine being the latter. >>>> >>>> Facebook took 512,882 bytes to get to the point of presenting the full >>>> login screen. But it took at least 2 minutes to get there; probably >>>> more. I think the time was due to the complexity of the browser having >>>> to de-code very involved javascript. >>>> >>>>> From login to the complete loading of my 'Home' page, the total was >>>> >>>> 1,019,371 bytes. Lots more javascript resulted in about another 2+ >>>> minutes. >>>> >>>> Ken's Zone 10 front page used up 828,008 bytes in its present form with >>>> 2 biggish images, and it took maybe less than 2 minutes. >>>> >>>> My own pages, the front page plus the next step the gallery page, used >>>> the surprising total of 425,698 bytes. I had no idea I had loaded that >>>> many to get there. And I have organised things so that wherever >>>> possible, images get re-used out of cache rather than needing to be >>>> downloaded more than once. These two pages were faster than any of the >>>> others by two orders of magnitude, probably due to the code being very >>>> simple for the browser to interpret. >>>> ......... .................. !! >>>> Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 18:57:17 2009 Received: (qmail 21551 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 16:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 16:57:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AB1E182B1 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 09:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BE3E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 09:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC08019E851 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 09:57:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6958F19E842 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 09:57:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 09:57:08 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n49Gv4FB021559 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:57:06 GMT Message-ID: <6AFAE61FA75243F2AAEB09DFF1978002@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <1ADA5E60-DFDE-4BBA-9F76-1322D8D8B45E@threeshoes.net> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:57:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 18:57:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05b5ed128138512572685 Thanks for looking, Chris. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Different Friday Flower by Jim N. > It looks good on mine as well, Chris, Chuck and Jim. In fact it looks > very good to my eyes. > > Chris > > On 8 May 2009, at 13:08, Chris Crawford wrote: > >> It looked good on my screen. Is your monitor calibrated? With an >> image that >> has a broad range of tones from bright white to very dark tones, >> monitor >> calibration is very important...if it is off just a little an image >> like >> Jim's won't look good. Consider also that come Mac users still use >> the gamma >> 1.8 standard instead of the 2.2 standard that is now preferred. >> Images on >> the web often look too dark on a 1.8 gamma screen. >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 19:13:01 2009 Received: (qmail 22151 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 17:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 17:13:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53233E182ED for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E847BE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D528619E8BB for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:12:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8599B19E8B9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:12:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDDF31409A for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075E9314093 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A05B997.6070703@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 10:12:55 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090508-0, 05/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 19:13:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05b99d95181702588592 I've been using the DZ70~300mm a lot lately and find I'm getting very mixed results bokeh-wise.(add that word to your spell checkers) All-in-all I find the bokeh can be great if kept under control. I don't get the consistent creamy wash of color like the 135/4.5 but that's not always what I want. The long reach is nice. I'm going to be using this lens a lot more I can see that now. Maybe not _the_ bokeh champ but right up there. Perhaps the biggest fault with this lens is the very poor AF capability. Here are a couple results from yesterday to illustrate. Not posting my bokeh failures though. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 19:21:29 2009 Received: (qmail 32690 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 17:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 17:21:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C114E182D4 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B581AE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDD034AC027 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:21:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E866334AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:21:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:21:21 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n49HLHRa032507 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:21:19 GMT Message-ID: <5C362933F1C943369FC7B019EDA7B2D5@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A05B997.6070703@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:21:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 19:21:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05bb9986577350615338 Nice images, Mike. I see why you like the lens. If I might make a suggestion, a little USM might make the foreground a little sharper without harming the OOF background. Thanks for sharing. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Lazzari" To: "1" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? > I've been using the DZ70~300mm a lot lately and find I'm getting very > mixed results bokeh-wise.(add that word to your spell checkers) > All-in-all I find the bokeh can be great if kept under control. I don't > get the consistent creamy wash of color like the 135/4.5 but that's not > always what I want. The long reach is nice. I'm going to be using this > lens a lot more I can see that now. Maybe not _the_ bokeh champ but > right up there. Perhaps the biggest fault with this lens is the very > poor AF capability. > > Here are a couple results from yesterday to illustrate. Not posting my > bokeh failures though. > > > > > > Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 20:22:17 2009 Received: (qmail 6673 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 18:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 18:22:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C72CE182CA for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 11:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DA2E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 11:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0048E3610002 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 11:22:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEFF3610001 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 11:22:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 11:22:08 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n49IM4TY026984 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:22:06 GMT Message-ID: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 13:22:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 20:22:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05c9d9184271073733319 In looking back at the snake photo that I posted yesterday, and examining the image while recalling the difficulty in getting the ZD 14-54, at 54mm, to grab a focus point, I am convinced that the manual focus 55mm gives me a better chance of getting the proper focus point. In this busy image, I think that the AF would never have found the snake's eye as the focus point. Anyone have experience in this area? Here is the photo once more: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Snake+23a.tif.html Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 20:39:46 2009 Received: (qmail 14353 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 18:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 18:39:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F094FE182CC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 11:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999F9E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 11:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A72E19EA1D for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 11:39:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8807419E9F1 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 11:39:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 11:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1360530ywr.80 for ; Sat, 09 May 2009 11:39:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.213.18 with SMTP id l18mr11783335ang.59.1241894377700; Sat, 09 May 2009 11:39:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A05B997.6070703@interisland.net> References: <4A05B997.6070703@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 13:39:37 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 63ff1260c563306d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 20:39:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05cdf2148531035110158 Ooo. NICE pictures. The 70-300 is really a sleeper lens. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 22:10:38 2009 Received: (qmail 16772 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 20:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 20:10:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D066E182EA for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A4DE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25C219EC2C for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:10:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C047E19EC29 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:10:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 632 invoked by uid 502); 9 May 2009 20:10:28 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-164-139.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.164.139) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2009 20:10:28 -0000 Message-ID: <4A05E331.1070108@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 13:10:25 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <4A01FD64.7090908@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0207E0.5010205@chucknorcutt.com> <4A022BA9.2040407@chucknorcutt.com> <4A026A6A.8040209@picturepedia.org> <4A02B9A4.6030708@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A02B9A4.6030708@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 22:10:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05e33e85229117217770 A bit of Gaussian seems to me to ameloriate the problem to the point where it doesn't detract. I don't think anyone would notice unless specifically looking. As to the bright orange things, taming with bits of Highlight, Hue and Gaussian Blur is an alternative to cloning. Moose Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I tried various blur techniques. Applying a "radial blur" in the > direction of the stem or a "smart blur" with a small radius works fairly > well. Of course, you have to mask it so just the offending leaves are > affected. But to merge the "double image" effect you have to use enough > blurring that the leaves begin to lose their identity as leaves. If I > cared enough to really recover this image I would probably (under very > high magnification) "paint" in the gap with the clone tool or use a > similar technique that blended the "double image" without softening the > sharper outer edges of the leaves. But too much work for something > that's not mine. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 22:11:29 2009 Received: (qmail 4730 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 20:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 20:11:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD633E1822D for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB54E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6D534AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:11:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CA534AC025 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:10:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14578 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2009 20:10:58 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2009 20:10:58 -0000 Message-ID: <4A05E351.8070000@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 16:10:57 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A05B997.6070703@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <4A05B997.6070703@interisland.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090508-0, 05/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 22:11:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05e37176189347015869 I really like 8398. Just for kicks I put in into PS and added a canvas texture to it. Looks good. Maybe you should get it printed on canvas. Chuck Norcutt Mike Lazzari wrote: > I've been using the DZ70~300mm a lot lately and find I'm getting very > mixed results bokeh-wise.(add that word to your spell checkers) > All-in-all I find the bokeh can be great if kept under control. I don't > get the consistent creamy wash of color like the 135/4.5 but that's not > always what I want. The long reach is nice. I'm going to be using this > lens a lot more I can see that now. Maybe not _the_ bokeh champ but > right up there. Perhaps the biggest fault with this lens is the very > poor AF capability. > > Here are a couple results from yesterday to illustrate. Not posting my > bokeh failures though. > > > > > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 22:38:48 2009 Received: (qmail 1656 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 20:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 20:38:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF12AE182F0 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF8DE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80A334AC025 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:38:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E41634AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:38:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29203 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2009 20:38:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2009 20:38:41 -0000 Message-ID: <4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 16:38:40 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090508-0, 05/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 22:38:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05e9d8278831823421471 See page 77 of the E-510 manual which discusses moving the focus button off the shutter button to the AEL/AFL button on the back of the camera. Once this change is made (I did the equivalent on my 5D a long time ago) you must deliberately focus using the AFL (auto focus lock). I set my camera such that only the center autofocus point is used. I focus using only the center point and the AFL button and then recompose if necessary. That's what would have captured your snake using autofocus. But until you get used to it you're likely to lose a shot or two by forgetting to focus before pressing the shutter button. But once you've done this I don't think you'll go back. It's especially handy when shooting moderately distant things at medium to small apertures when there really isn't any need to refocus or when trying to take advantage of hyperfocal or near hyperfocal focusing without switching into manual mode where it's possible to bump the focus ring. I have seen some pretty silly stuff on the net bemoaning loss of focus from recomposition. That's possible but takes a pretty extreme case. Don't recompose when shooting from 1 foot at f/1.4 for example. :-) Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > In looking back at the snake photo that I posted yesterday, and > examining the image while recalling the difficulty in getting the ZD > 14-54, at 54mm, to grab a focus point, I am convinced that the manual > focus 55mm gives me a better chance of getting the proper focus > point. In this busy image, I think that the AF would never have > found the snake's eye as the focus point. > > Anyone have experience in this area? > > Here is the photo once more: > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Snake+23a.tif.html > > Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat May 9 22:44:42 2009 Received: (qmail 29710 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 20:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 20:44:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCA0E182DD for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEDBE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06F834AC028 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:44:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC9134AC026 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:44:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32367 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2009 20:44:35 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090508-0, 05/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat May 9 22:44:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05eb3a144311234514069 Yup, that looks pretty good but the double image effect is still visible in the leaves. But, until CH mentioned it, I hadn't even noticed it in the original. But now I do... again and again. :-) Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > A bit of Gaussian seems to me to ameloriate the problem to the point > where it doesn't detract. I don't think anyone would notice unless > specifically looking. > > As to the bright orange things, taming with bits of Highlight, Hue and > Gaussian Blur is an alternative to cloning. > > > Moose > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I tried various blur techniques. Applying a "radial blur" in the >> direction of the stem or a "smart blur" with a small radius works fairly >> well. Of course, you have to mask it so just the offending leaves are >> affected. But to merge the "double image" effect you have to use enough >> blurring that the leaves begin to lose their identity as leaves. If I >> cared enough to really recover this image I would probably (under very >> high magnification) "paint" in the gap with the clone tool or use a >> similar technique that blended the "double image" without softening the >> sharper outer edges of the leaves. But too much work for something >> that's not mine. :-) > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 00:04:48 2009 Received: (qmail 19038 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 22:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 22:04:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A64CE182EF for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E02AE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3D234AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:04:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7E834AC025 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:04:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:04:37 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n49M4Xvf010954 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:04:35 GMT Message-ID: <55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols> <4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:05:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 00:04:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05fe0057098512572685 Thanks, Chuck. I remember seeing that when I first read the manual (yes, I did read the manual), but I never tried it. As to manual focus with the ZD 14-54, the focus-by-wire ability just never worked for me. Thanks. I may give it a try. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > See page 77 of the E-510 manual which discusses moving the focus button > off the shutter button to the AEL/AFL button on the back of the camera. > Once this change is made (I did the equivalent on my 5D a long time > ago) you must deliberately focus using the AFL (auto focus lock). I set > my camera such that only the center autofocus point is used. I focus > using only the center point and the AFL button and then recompose if > necessary. That's what would have captured your snake using autofocus. > But until you get used to it you're likely to lose a shot or two by > forgetting to focus before pressing the shutter button. But once you've > done this I don't think you'll go back. It's especially handy when > shooting moderately distant things at medium to small apertures when > there really isn't any need to refocus or when trying to take advantage > of hyperfocal or near hyperfocal focusing without switching into manual > mode where it's possible to bump the focus ring. > > I have seen some pretty silly stuff on the net bemoaning loss of focus > from recomposition. That's possible but takes a pretty extreme case. > Don't recompose when shooting from 1 foot at f/1.4 for example. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> In looking back at the snake photo that I posted yesterday, and >> examining the image while recalling the difficulty in getting the ZD >> 14-54, at 54mm, to grab a focus point, I am convinced that the manual >> focus 55mm gives me a better chance of getting the proper focus >> point. In this busy image, I think that the AF would never have >> found the snake's eye as the focus point. >> >> Anyone have experience in this area? >> >> Here is the photo once more: >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Snake+23a.tif.html >> >> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 00:07:54 2009 Received: (qmail 20814 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 22:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 22:07:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44B7E182B1 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3016DE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D4B34AC026 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:07:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECA834AC025 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:07:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5677 invoked by uid 502); 9 May 2009 22:07:39 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-162-74.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.162.74) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2009 22:07:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4A05FEA8.8090108@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 15:07:36 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <1E9154B5-DCDA-4910-8858-D532A8BCC9D9@gmail.com> <27211548.4931241774628313.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <27211548.4931241774628313.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 00:07:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a05feba42894673671140 Dawid Loubser wrote: > That makes sense. I've never used a 40/2.0 (would love one) but symmetrical designs generally produce great background blur, and the 40/2.0 is one of the few (if any?) OM Zuiko fully symmetrical lens designs? The 40/2 is no more symmetrical than the various 50 mm lenses. The 40 mm and all the 50s, and indeed essentially all 40-58 mm pancake & normal FL lenses for 35 mm SLRs & FF DSLRs, are variations of the double-gauss design. Those faster than f2.8, depending partly on price, usually have an additional element. Thus the 7 element 50/1.4 & 1.2 Zuikos. The economy 50/1.8 is 6 element and the 50/3.5 macro is slow enough to get by very well with a single element rear corrector lens. The 40/2 was an inexpensive lens when introduced. The 6 element design is probably partly to reduce cost and partly to reduce size. It's also the reason for it's slightly less than first rate performance, I'd guess. Pancake designs by various makers are generally around 40 mm for the simple reason that that is as short as a non-retrofocus, double-gauss design can be made within register distance and mirror clearance constraints. Moose > Though the dedicated Macros (80 and 135) are also pretty symmetrical if I recall correctly, hence their good performance in the bokeh department. > Yup, both double-gauss. > I wish we could put together one nice database (suggested last year sometime) of sample images made through all zuiko lenses. > This is far more ambitious a project than you might imagine. The problem is that bokeh is significantly affected by both focal plane and background distances and perhaps by the ratio of them..So the number of test shots required is considerable for each lens. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 00:20:00 2009 Received: (qmail 32749 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 22:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 22:19:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BAC6E182ED for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91636E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7926A34AC025 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:19:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EBA34AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:19:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12241 invoked by uid 502); 9 May 2009 22:19:53 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-162-74.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 00:20:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a060190101982046811720 C.H.Ling wrote: > ... > > It seems that both my 50/1.4 MC and SC have very similar performance, don't tell me the MC with 1,1xx,xxx number is better, I don't want to purchase another 50mm lens ;-) > My recollection is that the breaking point for the last version of the 50/1.4 was actually 1,083,000. You would have to go back deep in the archives to confirm, but I think you already have one. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 00:45:09 2009 Received: (qmail 16224 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 22:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 22:45:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C048FE182B2 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8596E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA01F19F54E for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:45:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB4619F546 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:45:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so1318992anc.35 for ; Sat, 09 May 2009 15:45:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.121.14 with SMTP id t14mr10779556anc.87.1241909101128; Sat, 09 May 2009 15:45:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols> <4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com> <55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:45:01 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 154457210e3e4a13 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 00:45:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a060775153141470116606 New feature in the upcoming E-X: Snake-Eye Detection! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 00:55:11 2009 Received: (qmail 4619 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 22:55:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 22:55:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431D2E182E5 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E151E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA2019F563 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:55:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511E819F569 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:55:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:55:05 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n49Mt1JP013791 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:55:03 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:55:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 00:55:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0609cf45637927319144 More useful at my age would be a great-grandchild immobilizer. Last Christmas, I drove myself crazy trying to use an autofocus lens among a crowd of moving folks. I think zone focusing is much simpler. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > New feature in the upcoming E-X: Snake-Eye Detection! > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 01:22:32 2009 Received: (qmail 921 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 23:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 23:22:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C1FE182EA for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BC0E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E48934AC025 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:22:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A636C34AC028 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:22:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so4667546gxk.14 for ; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:22:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.132.14 with SMTP id f14mr12580950and.79.1241911339763; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:22:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols> <4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com> <55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:22:19 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7919b404959babeb Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 01:22:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a061038212829347015869 > > More useful at my age would be a great-grandchild immobilizer. Last > Christmas, I drove myself crazy trying to use an autofocus lens among a > crowd of moving folks. I think zone focusing is much simpler. > I've had remarkable success lately with manual-focus on the OM-3Ti and OM-4T with 2-13 screens. It's a pleasure to be able to press the shutter release and get a picture when I want it. As I've written elsewhere recently, not all progress is progress. (I know, I'm going to get blasted by everybody who has a proper DSLR with good AF, not the cruddy E-system AF) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 01:34:28 2009 Received: (qmail 15156 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 23:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 23:34:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D24E182ED for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA80E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0832634AC025 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:34:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5463C34AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n49NYIXS015503 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:34:20 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:35:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 01:34:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a061304253071073733319 Hi Ken, For a few days, I have tried a Takumar 1.8/55mm instead of the Leica-R 2.8/28 that I use most of the time. I was amazed at the improved focusing using the longer lens, even on the E-510 viewfinder. I think both the shallower DOF and the increased max aperture both come into play here. I have been trying to decide whether or not to spend the money for a used Leica-R Summicron 2.0/50. For a lot of the photos that I take, it would work fine. I realize that there are OM lenses that would probably do as well, but I grew up using Leica glass and have an appreciation of it that is hard to break. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > >> More useful at my age would be a great-grandchild immobilizer. Last >> Christmas, I drove myself crazy trying to use an autofocus lens among a >> crowd of moving folks. I think zone focusing is much simpler. >> > > > I've had remarkable success lately with manual-focus on the OM-3Ti and > OM-4T > with 2-13 screens. It's a pleasure to be able to press the shutter > release > and get a picture when I want it. > > As I've written elsewhere recently, not all progress is progress. > > (I know, I'm going to get blasted by everybody who has a proper DSLR with > good AF, not the cruddy E-system AF) > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 01:52:23 2009 Received: (qmail 27400 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 23:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 23:52:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B23E182F3 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D95E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48E319F5F7 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:52:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F14619F5E3 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:52:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so1332448anc.35 for ; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:52:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.131.13 with SMTP id e13mr12615654and.93.1241913135546; Sat, 09 May 2009 16:52:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols> <4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com> <55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:52:15 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 31b36ee965253d26 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 01:52:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a061737224941234514069 > > For a few days, I have tried a Takumar 1.8/55mm instead of the Leica-R > 2.8/28 that I use most of the time. I was amazed at the improved focusing > using the longer lens, even on the E-510 viewfinder. I think both the > shallower DOF and the increased max aperture both come into play here. I > have been trying to decide whether or not to spend the money for a used > Leica-R Summicron 2.0/50. For a lot of the photos that I take, it would > work > fine. I realize that there are OM lenses that would probably do as well, > but > I grew up using Leica glass and have an appreciation of it that is hard to > break. > What seems like ancient history now, but years ago we discovered that the 2-series focus screens in the OM bodies had the disturbing characteristic of not really being focusable on the GG (ground glass) portion of the screen for lenses specifically in the 35mm focal length but for some other wide-angle lenses too. The 1-series screen with a 35mm lens was glorious to focus, but the 2-series screen didn't have a true ground-glass but that portion of the screen is actually an expanse of very very tiny microprisms. For some reason, those microprisms would not react properly to some wide-angle lenses. You can crank focus from one extreme to the other and the image changes very little. The focus screens in the E-series bodies use essentially 2-series screens and suffer a similar fate. Nikon and Minolta film cameras had a similar screen technology, but then to make them more properly show bokeh and more focusable with wide-angle lenses they deformed the surface of the microprisms to create enough random texture to make them more usable. No need to apologize for your appreciation of Leica lenses. In a similar vein, I have an appreciation of certain Zuikos. It's not that any one is "better" than the other, but that they are "different" than each other. Sure, when you do a proper comparative lens test (like DPR's) they'll match or even a lowly aftermarket Sigma may even beat a given favorite. But it's through usage that the characteristics (flaws) create a look which differentiates one from another. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 01:57:34 2009 Received: (qmail 26540 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2009 23:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 May 2009 23:57:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762ACE182B7 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E786EE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50F219F600 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:57:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23D519F5FC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:57:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 16:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27393 invoked by uid 504); 9 May 2009 23:57:26 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 May 2009 23:57:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 19:57:25 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090509-0, 05/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 01:57:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06186e12589117217770 There is a grandchild/great-grandchild immobilizer. It's called a flash. The first 35 of these (which I think I've shown here before) are just camera mounted flash bounced off the ceiling at ISO 100, 1/15 second, f/11. The flash was probably a Canyon 540EZ but could have been a T32. I don't remember. Not portrait quality stuff but everybody is reasonably well lit and reasonably in focus. Tokina 28-80 with shots covering the full zoom range. The latter stuff is ISO 3200 under an overhead incandescent. Not the best light. Dr. Flash Jim Nichols wrote: > More useful at my age would be a great-grandchild immobilizer. Last > Christmas, I drove myself crazy trying to use an autofocus lens among a > crowd of moving folks. I think zone focusing is much simpler. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 5:45 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > >> New feature in the upcoming E-X: Snake-Eye Detection! >> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 02:00:51 2009 Received: (qmail 15953 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 00:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 00:00:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBAEE182DB for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55084E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8BA19F606 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:00:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A2C19F5FC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:00:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28977 invoked by uid 504); 10 May 2009 00:00:44 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2009 00:00:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4A06192A.9010906@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 20:00:42 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <1E9154B5-DCDA-4910-8858-D532A8BCC9D9@gmail.com> <27211548.4931241774628313.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A05FEA8.8090108@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A05FEA8.8090108@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090509-0, 05/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 02:00:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a061933243161234514069 That's cool. Looks like maybe you built it from the eSIF? Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Dawid Loubser wrote: >> That makes sense. I've never used a 40/2.0 (would love one) but symmetrical designs generally produce great background blur, and the 40/2.0 is one of the few (if any?) OM Zuiko fully symmetrical lens designs? > > The 40/2 is no more symmetrical than the various 50 mm lenses. > > > The 40 mm and all the 50s, and indeed essentially all 40-58 mm pancake & > normal FL lenses for 35 mm SLRs & FF DSLRs, are variations of the > double-gauss design. Those faster than f2.8, depending partly on price, > usually have an additional element. Thus the 7 element 50/1.4 & 1.2 Zuikos. > > The economy 50/1.8 is 6 element and the 50/3.5 macro is slow enough to > get by very well with a single element rear corrector lens. The 40/2 was > an inexpensive lens when introduced. The 6 element design is probably > partly to reduce cost and partly to reduce size. It's also the reason > for it's slightly less than first rate performance, I'd guess. > > Pancake designs by various makers are generally around 40 mm for the > simple reason that that is as short as a non-retrofocus, double-gauss > design can be made within register distance and mirror clearance > constraints. > > Moose > >> Though the dedicated Macros (80 and 135) are also pretty symmetrical if I recall correctly, hence their good performance in the bokeh department. >> > > Yup, both double-gauss. > >> I wish we could put together one nice database (suggested last year sometime) of sample images made through all zuiko lenses. >> > > This is far more ambitious a project than you might imagine. The problem > is that bokeh is significantly affected by both focal plane and > background distances and perhaps by the ratio of them..So the number of > test shots required is considerable for each lens. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 02:04:10 2009 Received: (qmail 2120 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 00:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 00:04:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460B4E182EB for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A69E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0594F19F61B for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:04:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8190619F619 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:04:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30263 invoked by uid 504); 10 May 2009 00:04:01 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 02:04:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0619fa326622046811720 From your own post of Apr 2004 Chuck Norcutt ------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:51:12 -0700 From: Moose Subject: [OM] Re: 50mm F1.4 lens 50/1.4s were made in several different variations over almost the whole time OM bodies were made. Only at the very end were they discontinued in favor of the 50/1.2. The very, very earliest used rare earth, slightly radioactive elements in the glass. There were at least 2 different coating variations in the SC versions and at least another 2 in the MC versions and there were some mechanical and lens element changes along the way too. Like other Zuikos, the silver nose is not the absolute indicator of SC. 50/1.4s marked G.ZUIKO are SC and all others are MC. Early multi-coated lenses have an 'MC' designation on the front ring. Later MC lenses, after it was clear that all lenses were multi-coated anyway, dropped the 'MC' marking. The last 50/1.4s, after the MC marking was dropped, and especially above ~serial #1,085,000, are really excellent lenses, especially remarkable for their even performance over the whole aperture range. There are many lengthier treatises, some by me, on this subject in the archives. A later 1.8 will generally be optically better than an early 1.4 and vice versa. Beyond that, unless you are using very careful techinque and making big enlargements, it's a toss-up, you would have to test the individual lenses in question. The 'MC' marked version of the 1.8 has a common problem with grease/oil migrating from the helicoid to the aperture blades and causing slow return from stopping down. 1.4s and later 1.8s very seldom suffer from this problem. Moose ------------------------------------------------------ Moose wrote: > C.H.Ling wrote: >> ... >> >> It seems that both my 50/1.4 MC and SC have very similar performance, don't tell me the MC with 1,1xx,xxx number is better, I don't want to purchase another 50mm lens ;-) >> > > My recollection is that the breaking point for the last version of the > 50/1.4 was actually 1,083,000. You would have to go back deep in the > archives to confirm, but I think you already have one. :-) > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 02:35:29 2009 Received: (qmail 15829 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 00:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 00:35:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC3DE182F0 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5167FE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E3119F6FB for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:35:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6701219F707 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:35:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4A0ZFVi008556 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:35:17 GMT Message-ID: <569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:35:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 02:35:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06215117521744846740 Hi Chuck, I did that for a number of years with a Braun flash unit and film cameras. It does work well. Your examples are excellent, though I notice that a large number of them have the subjects seated in chairs, which, I feel, is cheating. I was hoping to explore the higher ISA digital settings and not have to use the intrusive flash. I did use on-camera flash for some close-in shots, but it won't cover a large room. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > There is a grandchild/great-grandchild immobilizer. It's called a > flash. The first 35 of these (which I think I've shown here before) are > just camera mounted flash bounced off the ceiling at ISO 100, 1/15 > second, f/11. The flash was probably a Canyon 540EZ but could have been > a T32. I don't remember. Not portrait quality stuff but everybody is > reasonably well lit and reasonably in focus. Tokina 28-80 with shots > covering the full zoom range. The latter stuff is ISO 3200 under an > overhead incandescent. Not the best light. > > > Dr. Flash > > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> More useful at my age would be a great-grandchild immobilizer. Last >> Christmas, I drove myself crazy trying to use an autofocus lens among a >> crowd of moving folks. I think zone focusing is much simpler. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ken Norton" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 5:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> >>> New feature in the upcoming E-X: Snake-Eye Detection! >>> AG >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 02:40:54 2009 Received: (qmail 6701 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 00:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 00:40:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FFEE182EA for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57C1E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E27334AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D848134AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:40:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 17:40:48 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4A0ejJS011018 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:40:47 GMT Message-ID: <6ED9F0C2578841C7BCA4DAA77071BC69@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:41:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 02:40:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0622967671234514069 Thanks, Ken. I only got into the Oly club when I bought the E-510, so my knowledge of earlier discoveries is rather limited. The E-510 finder seems more transparent than frosted in characteristics, and that may be the problem with the 28mm. It seems to work well with the 50mm. Today, I shot a few photos with a Takumar 3.5/135mm, and it was much more difficult to focus when compared to the 2.0/50. Looks like the 50 is where I need to be. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > >> For a few days, I have tried a Takumar 1.8/55mm instead of the Leica-R >> 2.8/28 that I use most of the time. I was amazed at the improved focusing >> using the longer lens, even on the E-510 viewfinder. I think both the >> shallower DOF and the increased max aperture both come into play here. I >> have been trying to decide whether or not to spend the money for a used >> Leica-R Summicron 2.0/50. For a lot of the photos that I take, it would >> work >> fine. I realize that there are OM lenses that would probably do as well, >> but >> I grew up using Leica glass and have an appreciation of it that is hard >> to >> break. >> > > > What seems like ancient history now, but years ago we discovered that the > 2-series focus screens in the OM bodies had the disturbing characteristic > of > not really being focusable on the GG (ground glass) portion of the screen > for lenses specifically in the 35mm focal length but for some other > wide-angle lenses too. The 1-series screen with a 35mm lens was glorious > to > focus, but the 2-series screen didn't have a true ground-glass but that > portion of the screen is actually an expanse of very very tiny > microprisms. > For some reason, those microprisms would not react properly to some > wide-angle lenses. You can crank focus from one extreme to the other and > the > image changes very little. > > The focus screens in the E-series bodies use essentially 2-series screens > and suffer a similar fate. > > Nikon and Minolta film cameras had a similar screen technology, but then > to > make them more properly show bokeh and more focusable with wide-angle > lenses > they deformed the surface of the microprisms to create enough random > texture > to make them more usable. > > No need to apologize for your appreciation of Leica lenses. In a similar > vein, I have an appreciation of certain Zuikos. It's not that any one is > "better" than the other, but that they are "different" than each other. > Sure, when you do a proper comparative lens test (like DPR's) they'll > match > or even a lowly aftermarket Sigma may even beat a given favorite. But it's > through usage that the characteristics (flaws) create a look which > differentiates one from another. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 03:11:07 2009 Received: (qmail 2769 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 01:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 01:11:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8843E182F1 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60687E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B22E34AC025 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:11:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFDA34AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:11:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25707 invoked by uid 504); 10 May 2009 01:10:58 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090509-0, 05/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 03:11:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0629ab2989117217770 Well, 20 of the first 35 have kids in motion. I wasn't cheating too much. :-) Covering the large room is done by bouncing off the ceiling, using a long shutter drag (1/15 second or more) and making judicious use of shadow fill to make up for the light falloff at the end of the room. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > I did that for a number of years with a Braun flash unit and film cameras. > It does work well. Your examples are excellent, though I notice that a > large number of them have the subjects seated in chairs, which, I feel, is > cheating. > > I was hoping to explore the higher ISA digital settings and not have to use > the intrusive flash. I did use on-camera flash for some close-in shots, but > it won't cover a large room. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > >> There is a grandchild/great-grandchild immobilizer. It's called a >> flash. The first 35 of these (which I think I've shown here before) are >> just camera mounted flash bounced off the ceiling at ISO 100, 1/15 >> second, f/11. The flash was probably a Canyon 540EZ but could have been >> a T32. I don't remember. Not portrait quality stuff but everybody is >> reasonably well lit and reasonably in focus. Tokina 28-80 with shots >> covering the full zoom range. The latter stuff is ISO 3200 under an >> overhead incandescent. Not the best light. >> >> >> Dr. Flash >> >> >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> More useful at my age would be a great-grandchild immobilizer. Last >>> Christmas, I drove myself crazy trying to use an autofocus lens among a >>> crowd of moving folks. I think zone focusing is much simpler. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ken Norton" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 5:45 PM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >>> >>> >>>> New feature in the upcoming E-X: Snake-Eye Detection! >>>> AG >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 03:33:49 2009 Received: (qmail 25029 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 01:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 01:33:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BB3E182EC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DA1E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2FA34AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:33:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8D534AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:33:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n4A1XehM028090 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:33:40 +0800 Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4A1XdrK007866 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:33:39 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <8FE02C1605B54C97AB3DCBD7CB47B534@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <9A083DE70EE3434AAB272503E0B4D81F@MAIN><4A060179.2000903@gmail.com> <4A0619F1.6020009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:33:29 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 03:33:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a062efd99549347015869 Thanks for Moose and Chuck remind me about the S/N issue, it is a little strange that I found both SC and MC 109xxx has very similar performance. I don't think it is due to bad samples as both did very well even under 21MP sensor wide open, much better than I had expected. Test samples repost, RAW converted with sharpness set to zero (minimum): 50/1.4 SC, S/N 56xxxx (F1.4 and F2.8) http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3655_5014SC_F14.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3656_5014SC_F28.JPG 50/1.4 MC, S/N 109xxxx http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3657_5014MC_F14.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3658_5014MC_F28.JPG C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > From your own post of Apr 2004 > > Chuck Norcutt > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:51:12 -0700 > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Re: 50mm F1.4 lens > > > 50/1.4s were made in several different variations over almost the whole > time OM bodies were made. Only at the very end were they discontinued in > favor of the 50/1.2. The very, very earliest used rare earth, slightly > radioactive elements in the glass. There were at least 2 different > coating variations in the SC versions and at least another 2 in the MC > versions and there were some mechanical and lens element changes along > the way too. Like other Zuikos, the silver nose is not the absolute > indicator of SC. 50/1.4s marked G.ZUIKO are SC and all others are MC. > Early multi-coated lenses have an 'MC' designation on the front ring. > Later MC lenses, after it was clear that all lenses were multi-coated > anyway, dropped the 'MC' marking. The last 50/1.4s, after the MC marking > was dropped, and especially above ~serial #1,085,000, are really > excellent lenses, especially remarkable for their even performance over > the whole aperture range. There are many lengthier treatises, some by > me, on this subject in the archives. > > A later 1.8 will generally be optically better than an early 1.4 and > vice versa. Beyond that, unless you are using very careful techinque and > making big enlargements, it's a toss-up, you would have to test the > individual lenses in question. The 'MC' marked version of the 1.8 has a > common problem with grease/oil migrating from the helicoid to the > aperture blades and causing slow return from stopping down. 1.4s and > later 1.8s very seldom suffer from this problem. > > Moose > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Moose wrote: >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> ... >>> >>> It seems that both my 50/1.4 MC and SC have very similar performance, >>> don't tell me the MC with 1,1xx,xxx number is better, I don't want to >>> purchase another 50mm lens ;-) >>> >> >> My recollection is that the breaking point for the last version of the >> 50/1.4 was actually 1,083,000. You would have to go back deep in the >> archives to confirm, but I think you already have one. :-) >> >> Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 03:46:24 2009 Received: (qmail 6660 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 01:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 01:46:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB82E182F0 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FCFE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC6719F96A for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:46:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21F019F6EB for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:46:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-058.ctimail.com [61.93.57.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 18:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n4A1kFwg022838 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:46:15 +0800 Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4A1kFPj009383 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:46:15 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <055692A58CC44661A4FC374A6396859A@MAIN> <4751694.4491241624861500.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A01D35E.8080903@chucknorcutt.com> <4A01FD64.7090908@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0200F6.4000303@chucknorcutt.com> <4A0207E0.5010205@chucknorcutt.com> <4A022BA9.2040407@chucknorcutt.com> <4A026A6A.8040209@picturepedia.org><4A02B9A4.6030708@chucknorcutt.com> <4A05E331.1070108@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:46:09 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] That's Not a Bokeh, This is a Bokeh X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 03:46:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0631f0163241591313764 I don't mind the yellow flowers on the back, I deliberate to include them on the image as a totally OOF plain grass background is not always I wanted. The yellow flowers are not really distracting to my eyes. You have already used a very strong blur setting but as Chuck pointed out the double images are still there. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" >A bit of Gaussian seems to me to ameloriate the problem to the point > where it doesn't detract. I don't think anyone would notice unless > specifically looking. > > As to the bright orange things, taming with bits of Highlight, Hue and > Gaussian Blur is an alternative to cloning. > > > Moose > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I tried various blur techniques. Applying a "radial blur" in the >> direction of the stem or a "smart blur" with a small radius works fairly >> well. Of course, you have to mask it so just the offending leaves are >> affected. But to merge the "double image" effect you have to use enough >> blurring that the leaves begin to lose their identity as leaves. If I >> cared enough to really recover this image I would probably (under very >> high magnification) "paint" in the gap with the clone tool or use a >> similar technique that blended the "double image" without softening the >> sharper outer edges of the leaves. But too much work for something >> that's not mine. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 04:05:36 2009 Received: (qmail 11080 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 02:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 02:05:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560C6E182E8 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7CEE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC9C19F983 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:05:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD6319F995 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:05:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18430 invoked by uid 504); 10 May 2009 02:05:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090509-0, 05/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] SDXC memory supported by Panasonic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 04:05:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06367094281585427447 In case you (like me) hadn't heard about SDXC memory cards. http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/21156/sdxc/> Panasonic is planning 64GB cards using Microsoft's "exFAT" file system which alleviates the limitations of FAT32 for very large files and storage capacities. I hadn't heard of eXFAT either although it has apparently been in Vista for some time and XP and Linux drivers are available. Doesn't look to me like it's suitable for a really large random access device like your 2 TB hard disk but, although flash cards are random access devices, most of the access is really sequential. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 04:19:15 2009 Received: (qmail 3617 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 02:19:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 02:19:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBE1E182B5 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6CFE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FA819F9AA for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:19:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19C019F9A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:19:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29805 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2009 02:19:09 -0000 Message-ID: <137067.29794.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JrjrGHMVM1koWifFVKTmzaxhGiL041LiEw1BXxZ3jIC1rDkE4uVtLM8WUaHhhxYij1gVh.zJ.Z8QUoNhwir430u6ZIbZP0.dE9UgH2aXvD9YzzilHtJJn0f0q_cez4B80MdonNKmtkV2G6iWhJdR3XEEtV4eHonmfuhefnf1NKn6O7dtzwVaZ1WA8Nbwz_tcLtfLyNywJLeYQmloCYeUIZq7rXXyttHFqmE9ByOIGmCFAm6yPjSD19q4fuXn2P7Xv6Nvselc8atp2cAD5xspebAw5bjNq8s- Received: from [69.204.7.197] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 May 2009 19:19:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:19:08 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 04:19:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0639a3117822070262475 There isnt much across the border, perhaps you'd like to photograph abandoned factories. If you plan to cross let me know. I work just a few miles away. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 04:29:42 2009 Received: (qmail 10387 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 02:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 02:29:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6314FE182C9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A8AE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F4634AC025 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:29:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3271134AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:29:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (doug9345@localnet.com whitelisted) Received: from extsmtp2.localnet.com (extsmtp2.localnet.com [207.251.194.40]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1831 invoked by uid 1013); 10 May 2009 02:29:35 -0000 Received: from 10.30.204.254 by holster (envelope-from , uid 1005) with qmail-scanner-1.23st (spamassassin: 3.1.7-deb. perlscan: 1.23st. 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Processed in 1.349962 secs); 10 May 2009 02:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.localnet.com) (10.30.204.254) by extsmtp2.localnet.com with SMTP; 10 May 2009 02:29:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 9455 invoked from network); 10 May 2009 02:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host-64-179-15-24.syr.choiceone.net) ([64.179.15.24]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.localnet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 May 2009 02:29:32 -0000 From: Doug To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:39:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905092239.03804.doug9345@localnet.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Web-page sizes and download times X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 04:29:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a063c1654281585427447 On Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:11, Chris Crawford wrote: > How on Earth can you deal with such long load times? I'd pull my hair out! > DSL rules! Basically dial up is my only real option. When Verizon put DSL in last year we were and with a different telephone company so we never got a shot at it before all 32 lines were snatched up. I didn't play 22 questions with the linemen, even though they camped the the front yard for several days working in the box. I've looked at Satellite, but I've seen mixed reviews and it's too much money for me to experiment with. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-747-3962 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > On 5/9/09 9:38 AM, "Doug" wrote: > > On Saturday, May 09, 2009 07:41, Martyn Smoothy wrote: > >> I suppose being on dial-up may have something to do with it..... :-) > > > > I use dial up. I have found that it runs consistantly at 6 minutes per > > megabyte. On sites which I visit often and the big pieces don't change > > caching will reduce load times somewhat. > > > >> Martyn Smoothy wrote: > >>> Brian, > >>> > >>> Reckon there may be something wrong with your connection. Just tried > >>> all 3 examples here & they all loaded in a few seconds (on a standard > >>> ADSL line). > >>> > >>> No website which takes 2 minutes to load is going to get any traffic... > >>> > >>> Martyn > >>> > >>> Brian Swale wrote: > >>>> Out of curiosity, I checked the file sizes of a few notable and one > >>>> less notable web-site(s). Mine being the latter. > >>>> > >>>> Facebook took 512,882 bytes to get to the point of presenting the full > >>>> login screen. But it took at least 2 minutes to get there; probably > >>>> more. I think the time was due to the complexity of the browser > >>>> having to de-code very involved javascript. > >>>> > >>>>> From login to the complete loading of my 'Home' page, the total was > >>>> > >>>> 1,019,371 bytes. Lots more javascript resulted in about another 2+ > >>>> minutes. > >>>> > >>>> Ken's Zone 10 front page used up 828,008 bytes in its present form > >>>> with 2 biggish images, and it took maybe less than 2 minutes. > >>>> > >>>> My own pages, the front page plus the next step the gallery page, used > >>>> the surprising total of 425,698 bytes. I had no idea I had loaded that > >>>> many to get there. And I have organised things so that wherever > >>>> possible, images get re-used out of cache rather than needing to be > >>>> downloaded more than once. These two pages were faster than any of the > >>>> others by two orders of magnitude, probably due to the code being very > >>>> simple for the browser to interpret. > >>>> ......... .................. !! > >>>> Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 04:56:57 2009 Received: (qmail 21528 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 02:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 02:56:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863EBE182E5 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B97DE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC42019F9FF for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:56:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F56419F9FD for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:56:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 19:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.5] (5.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.5]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5893D9FB5 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:56:38 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:56:40 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A06EB28.24001.5A5F12@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090509-0, 09/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Non OM; another photographer's site X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 04:56:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06427967043675314703 Hi all, Courtesy a friend, this site has inspirational photos. Especially look at the exhibitions. The book is also worth viewing. http://www.floranova.com.au/index3.htm Cheers, Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 05:02:28 2009 Received: (qmail 27377 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 03:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 03:02:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3305CE182D1 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 20:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A49E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 20:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C40B34AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 20:02:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C50B34AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 20:02:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 20:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4A32IFv008700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:02:19 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:02:13 +1000 Message-ID: <004901c9d11b$b9d70b10$2d852130$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnQ/rHMTuO6duFVQ1S9enZ6RiO/FwAHFfmg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 05:02:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0643c4112671869477228 Just pick up a Zuiko 50/1.8 MIJ and OM adapter, $50 total. I doubt you would be able to tell the difference from a Summicron in any practical way, there is however a significant psychological effect in using Leica glass though ! (mind over matter) ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Nichols [] > Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 9:35 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > Hi Ken, > > For a few days, I have tried a Takumar 1.8/55mm instead of the Leica-R > 2.8/28 that I use most of the time. I was amazed at the improved > focusing > using the longer lens, even on the E-510 viewfinder. I think both the > shallower DOF and the increased max aperture both come into play here. > I > have been trying to decide whether or not to spend the money for a used > Leica-R Summicron 2.0/50. For a lot of the photos that I take, it would > work > fine. I realize that there are OM lenses that would probably do as > well, but > I grew up using Leica glass and have an appreciation of it that is hard > to > break. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 05:06:13 2009 Received: (qmail 7315 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 03:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 03:06:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A7EE182E5 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 20:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D55FE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 20:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EA219FA01 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 20:06:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B9119F9FD for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 20:06:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 20:06:06 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4A3628n018558 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 03:06:04 GMT Message-ID: <2591EB1DE3164ED59EF266DB9ED34D39@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <004901c9d11b$b9d70b10$2d852130$@com.au> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:07:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 05:06:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0644a563651234514069 Hi Wayne, Thanks for the info. What does MIJ mean? I'm not up to date on all of the shorthand. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > Just pick up a Zuiko 50/1.8 MIJ and OM adapter, $50 total. I doubt you > would be able to tell the difference from a Summicron in any practical > way, > there is however a significant psychological effect in using Leica glass > though ! (mind over matter) > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Nichols [] >> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 9:35 AM >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> Hi Ken, >> >> For a few days, I have tried a Takumar 1.8/55mm instead of the Leica-R >> 2.8/28 that I use most of the time. I was amazed at the improved >> focusing >> using the longer lens, even on the E-510 viewfinder. I think both the >> shallower DOF and the increased max aperture both come into play here. >> I >> have been trying to decide whether or not to spend the money for a used >> Leica-R Summicron 2.0/50. For a lot of the photos that I take, it would >> work >> fine. I realize that there are OM lenses that would probably do as >> well, but >> I grew up using Leica glass and have an appreciation of it that is hard >> to >> break. >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 05:39:56 2009 Received: (qmail 11401 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 03:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 03:39:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A034EE182B4 for ; 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Accepted (Sender first seen 5 mons 25 days 08:29:40 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-5-57.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.5.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4A45EMY021094 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:05:15 -0300 Message-ID: <4A06527B.8090507@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:05:15 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <9A083DE70EE3434AAB272503E0B4D81F@MAIN><4A060179.2000903@gmail.com> <4A0619F1.6020009@chucknorcutt.com> <8FE02C1605B54C97AB3DCBD7CB47B534@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <8FE02C1605B54C97AB3DCBD7CB47B534@MAIN> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 06:05:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06528c265671993019900 Now this is good news for me. Since i bought my first OM 2 I felt = not-so-happy with my 713594 G.Zuiko. I could have bought a MC 900xxx, = NIB but missed the chance. Someone gave me a badly used MC 900xxx, and = it did well (my Technology TOPE entry = was done with = this 900xxx). Could it be that those comparison shots were done on a digital body = instead of film, as Ken pointed out? If not, I'll start using my G.Zuiko more frequently :-) - or perhaps to = scan a Provia on which it shines at =83/5,6 !. Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks for Moose and Chuck remind me about the S/N issue, it is a little = > strange that I found both SC and MC 109xxx has very similar performance. = I = > don't think it is due to bad samples as both did very well even under 21M= P = > sensor wide open, much better than I had expected. > > Test samples repost, RAW converted with sharpness set to zero (minimum): > > 50/1.4 SC, S/N 56xxxx (F1.4 and F2.8) > = [snip] -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 06:08:58 2009 Received: (qmail 23784 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 04:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 04:08:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9371BE182E9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78765E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C4B34AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:08:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B7E34AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:08:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:08:52 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4A48mZa027654 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 04:08:50 GMT Message-ID: <83664AD25E1442828BF8E43614872C67@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <984958449.6407801241926791152.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 23:08:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 06:08:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06535a69549117217770 Thanks, Jim. It took me a few minutes to figure that one out for myself. Looking on *boy, I see some with Made in Japan, some say just Japan, others have Made in Japan on the back rim. Most say "Auto-S". I'm not sure what I am looking for to get the one with the best reputation. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > Made in Japan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 8:07:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > Hi Wayne, > > Thanks for the info. What does MIJ mean? I'm not up to date on all of the > shorthand. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Harridge" > To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > >> Just pick up a Zuiko 50/1.8 MIJ and OM adapter, $50 total. I doubt you >> would be able to tell the difference from a Summicron in any practical >> way, >> there is however a significant psychological effect in using Leica glass >> though ! (mind over matter) >> >> ...Wayne >> >> Wayne Harridge >> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jim Nichols [] >>> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 9:35 AM >>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >>> >>> Hi Ken, >>> >>> For a few days, I have tried a Takumar 1.8/55mm instead of the Leica-R >>> 2.8/28 that I use most of the time. I was amazed at the improved >>> focusing >>> using the longer lens, even on the E-510 viewfinder. I think both the >>> shallower DOF and the increased max aperture both come into play here. >>> I >>> have been trying to decide whether or not to spend the money for a used >>> Leica-R Summicron 2.0/50. For a lot of the photos that I take, it would >>> work >>> fine. I realize that there are OM lenses that would probably do as >>> well, but >>> I grew up using Leica glass and have an appreciation of it that is hard >>> to >>> break. >>> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 06:17:16 2009 Received: (qmail 29563 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 04:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 04:17:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C757DE182EF for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79F1E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD1D34AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:17:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABBA34AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:17:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7856) for ; 10 May 2009 14:17:03 +1000 Message-ID: <100.304b07003d55064a.010@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:17:01 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols> References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.04 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.04.56.1360) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 06:17:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06554c20814673671140 Hi Jim, > In looking back at the snake photo that I posted yesterday, and > examining the image while recalling the difficulty in getting the ZD > 14-54, at 54mm, to grab a focus point, I am convinced that the > manual focus 55mm gives me a better chance of getting the proper > focus point. In this busy image, I think that the AF would never have > found the snake's eye as the focus point. > Anyone have experience in this area? I gave up on AF, a lot easier and quicker to set the E510 for manual focus, and I've been using the OM glass a lot more. I have always used a split focus screen in the E510 though, after I bought one for the E500 when I decided the Oly screen was useless. Though in saying that the Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 I ordered finally showed up last week, and my limited usage so far tells me that having a much larger light gathering capacity makes a big difference to AF. So much faster than the Oly kit lens as well. I still prefer manual focus but the Oly digital lense's (and others I've seen) all have wimpy manual focus rings with no feed back. The Oly manual focus would have to be the worst I've seen so far, needs to be made a lot more positive as even that takes to long to focus. The Sigma's manual focus though still wimpy is a lot quicker in that you go through the entire focus range in about 1/3 a turn of the focus ring. For shots like yours though I would go straight to manual, as only you the photographer knows were you want the focus to be. Unless you want to spend the time moving the focus control from the shutter button to the AEL/AFL button on the back of the 510, I though of doing that but never got that far. Maybe I'm getting to old, I dont know but I simply prefer the control from using things such as this in manual or semi auto modes which still give me a fair bit of control. The number of friends I see with DSLR's and slightly out of focus shots is certainly on the increase, they dont seem to notice it themselves.. > Here is the photo once more: > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Snake+23a.tif.html Love the green, certainly make the snake stand out. Also bought myself a FP-1 flash grip for the FL-50, got tired of the batteries in the FL-50 going flat so quickly, even with the batt compartment open so the batt's are not connected. Certainly makes a big difference ! Might start using the FL-50 more now instead of the T45 or the T32 and T20 combo I've been using (T20 straight ahead on the hot show, the T32 with Grip2 for bounce/shadow control). Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ hen choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried before -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 06:31:14 2009 Received: (qmail 25396 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 04:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 04:31:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130B5E18228 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909AAE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBD619FAA9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:31:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75C019FA95 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:31:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4A4UuFK009322 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 12:30:57 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <1E9154B5-DCDA-4910-8858-D532A8BCC9D9@gmail.com><27211548.4931241774628313.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A05FEA8.8090108@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:30:40 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 06:31:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a065892731529615919 An interesting table, Moose. Yes, the 40/2 was an inexpenisve lens, I missed the chance to purchase a few for backup as I though it was just so so :-) But I was wrong! One the field it is a great lens, good bokeh and sharpness with better than normal close up capability, with a small Olympus Z-49 hood mounted it is just great in handling and looking too. Under test, it is on par or better than 50/1.4, better than 50/3.5 for edge performance for infinity objects. Here are two test shots, again no sharpen applied: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3663_40F2_F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3664_40F2_F4.JPG BTW, with all the test I have done, I found most Zuikos gave very good performance wide open, with a little post processing they can fly! C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > Dawid Loubser wrote: >> That makes sense. I've never used a 40/2.0 (would love one) but >> symmetrical designs generally produce great background blur, and the >> 40/2.0 is one of the few (if any?) OM Zuiko fully symmetrical lens >> designs? > > The 40/2 is no more symmetrical than the various 50 mm lenses. > > > The 40 mm and all the 50s, and indeed essentially all 40-58 mm pancake & > normal FL lenses for 35 mm SLRs & FF DSLRs, are variations of the > double-gauss design. Those faster than f2.8, depending partly on price, > usually have an additional element. Thus the 7 element 50/1.4 & 1.2 > Zuikos. > > The economy 50/1.8 is 6 element and the 50/3.5 macro is slow enough to > get by very well with a single element rear corrector lens. The 40/2 was > an inexpensive lens when introduced. The 6 element design is probably > partly to reduce cost and partly to reduce size. It's also the reason > for it's slightly less than first rate performance, I'd guess. > > Pancake designs by various makers are generally around 40 mm for the > simple reason that that is as short as a non-retrofocus, double-gauss > design can be made within register distance and mirror clearance > constraints. > > Moose > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 06:44:49 2009 Received: (qmail 5506 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 04:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 04:44:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9F1E182E1 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9566E240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9170419FACF for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:44:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCD919FAA8 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:44:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4A4idBB010896 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 12:44:39 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <9A083DE70EE3434AAB272503E0B4D81F@MAIN><4A060179.2000903@gmail.com> <4A0619F1.6020009@chucknorcutt.com><8FE02C1605B54C97AB3DCBD7CB47B534@MAIN> <4A06527B.8090507@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:44:32 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 06:44:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a065bc1170011529615919 I don't think there will be big difference for a lens to perform in film or = digital. So far today's digital impressions all match my impressions with = film yesterday. Go ahead to play more with your G.Zuiko, if it is not a bad = sample you will love the performance. BTW, you don't need to shoot at F5.6, = F2.8 is good enough unless you really need the DOF. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" Now this is good news for me. Since i bought my first OM 2 I felt not-so-happy with my 713594 G.Zuiko. I could have bought a MC 900xxx, NIB but missed the chance. Someone gave me a badly used MC 900xxx, and it did well (my Technology TOPE entry was done with this 900xxx). Could it be that those comparison shots were done on a digital body instead of film, as Ken pointed out? If not, I'll start using my G.Zuiko more frequently :-) - or perhaps to scan a Provia on which it shines at =83/5,6 !. Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks for Moose and Chuck remind me about the S/N issue, it is a little > strange that I found both SC and MC 109xxx has very similar performance. I > don't think it is due to bad samples as both did very well even under 21MP > sensor wide open, much better than I had expected. > > Test samples repost, RAW converted with sharpness set to zero (minimum): > > 50/1.4 SC, S/N 56xxxx (F1.4 and F2.8) > [snip] -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 06:49:28 2009 Received: (qmail 636 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 04:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 04:49:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB68EE182E5 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBAEE240A9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE7619FAD9 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:49:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E1919FAD4 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:49:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 21:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4A4nLif011379 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 12:49:21 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <088A6D5D332E4ECF933C6D36BE49EB41@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <984958449.6407801241926791152.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <83664AD25E1442828BF8E43614872C67@jimnichols> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:49:14 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 06:49:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a065cd8312881744846740 To make it clear, all 50/1.8s are made in Japan. The MIJ 50/1.8 refer to the latest version with Made In Japan printed on the front lens locking ring. Peoples believe it is the best version. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" > Thanks, Jim. It took me a few minutes to figure that one out for myself. > Looking on *boy, I see some with Made in Japan, some say just Japan, > others > have Made in Japan on the back rim. Most say "Auto-S". I'm not sure what > I > am looking for to get the one with the best reputation. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:39 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > >> Made in Japan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Nichols" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 8:07:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> Hi Wayne, >> >> Thanks for the info. What does MIJ mean? I'm not up to date on all of the >> shorthand. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wayne Harridge" >> To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" >> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> >>> Just pick up a Zuiko 50/1.8 MIJ and OM adapter, $50 total. I doubt you >>> would be able to tell the difference from a Summicron in any practical >>> way, >>> there is however a significant psychological effect in using Leica glass >>> though ! (mind over matter) >>> >>> ...Wayne >>> >>> Wayne Harridge >>> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 07:29:39 2009 Received: (qmail 996 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 05:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 05:29:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E19BE182F3 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6372BE240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4542919FB3A for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:29:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F360219FB39 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:29:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4A5TSjt003514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:29:29 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <004901c9d11b$b9d70b10$2d852130$@com.au> <2591EB1DE3164ED59EF266DB9ED34D39@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <2591EB1DE3164ED59EF266DB9ED34D39@jimnichols> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:29:24 +1000 Message-ID: <004a01c9d130$48b003a0$da100ae0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnRHEaR9gC4z3nFSHCg90jaXhO/WwAE7Pig Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 07:29:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06664312938512572685 G'day Jim, MIJ - The lens has "made in Japan" on the front ID ring, other variants had different things like "JAPAN". My MIJ 50/1.8 has a serial number just over 5000000. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Nichols [mailto:jhnichols@lighttube.net] > Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 1:07 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > Hi Wayne, > > Thanks for the info. What does MIJ mean? I'm not up to date on all of > the > shorthand. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Harridge" > To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > > > Just pick up a Zuiko 50/1.8 MIJ and OM adapter, $50 total. I doubt > you > > would be able to tell the difference from a Summicron in any > practical > > way, > > there is however a significant psychological effect in using Leica > glass > > though ! (mind over matter) > > > > ...Wayne > > > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jim Nichols [] > >> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 9:35 AM > >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion > >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > >> > >> Hi Ken, > >> > >> For a few days, I have tried a Takumar 1.8/55mm instead of the > Leica-R > >> 2.8/28 that I use most of the time. I was amazed at the improved > >> focusing > >> using the longer lens, even on the E-510 viewfinder. I think both > the > >> shallower DOF and the increased max aperture both come into play > here. > >> I > >> have been trying to decide whether or not to spend the money for a > used > >> Leica-R Summicron 2.0/50. For a lot of the photos that I take, it > would > >> work > >> fine. I realize that there are OM lenses that would probably do as > >> well, but > >> I grew up using Leica glass and have an appreciation of it that is > hard > >> to > >> break. > >> > > > > > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 07:38:38 2009 Received: (qmail 16549 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 05:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 05:38:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0212E182E5 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D78AE240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BA734AC026 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:38:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66D334AC025 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:38:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4A5cOiP001467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:38:31 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <984958449.6407801241926791152.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <83664AD25E1442828BF8E43614872C67@jimnichols> <088A6D5D332E4ECF933C6D36BE49EB41@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <088A6D5D332E4ECF933C6D36BE49EB41@MAIN> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:38:21 +1000 Message-ID: <004b01c9d131$8b68e580$a23ab080$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnRKrOsDPmKiXkNRKmaV2RUDHnY7QABnhRw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 07:38:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06685e265922336821329 Yeah, forgot to mention that. Thought to be the best optically, though mechanically maybe not, I think some suffered from oily/sticky diaphragms. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: C.H.Ling [] > Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 2:49 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > To make it clear, all 50/1.8s are made in Japan. The MIJ 50/1.8 refer > to the > latest version with Made In Japan printed on the front lens locking > ring. > Peoples believe it is the best version. > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 07:48:03 2009 Received: (qmail 13216 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 05:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 05:48:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131D0E182D0 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368EEE240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133DA34AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:47:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F0034AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:47:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:47:56 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4A5lrMx028355 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:47:54 GMT Message-ID: <2A83316D03464287B25E299868F77C21@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols> <100.304b07003d55064a.010@comkal.net> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:48:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 07:48:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a066a9280062070262475 Thanks, Ian. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > Hi Jim, > >> In looking back at the snake photo that I posted yesterday, and >> examining the image while recalling the difficulty in getting the ZD >> 14-54, at 54mm, to grab a focus point, I am convinced that the >> manual focus 55mm gives me a better chance of getting the proper >> focus point. In this busy image, I think that the AF would never have >> found the snake's eye as the focus point. >> Anyone have experience in this area? > > I gave up on AF, a lot easier and quicker to set the E510 for manual > focus, and I've been using the OM glass a lot more. I have always > used a split focus screen in the E510 though, after I bought one for > the E500 when I decided the Oly screen was useless. > > Though in saying that the Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 I ordered finally > showed up last week, and my limited usage so far tells me that having > a much larger light gathering capacity makes a big difference to AF. > So much faster than the Oly kit lens as well. I still prefer manual focus > but the Oly digital lense's (and others I've seen) all have wimpy > manual focus rings with no feed back. The Oly manual focus would > have to be the worst I've seen so far, needs to be made a lot more > positive as even that takes to long to focus. The Sigma's manual > focus though still wimpy is a lot quicker in that you go through the > entire focus range in about 1/3 a turn of the focus ring. > > For shots like yours though I would go straight to manual, as only you > the photographer knows were you want the focus to be. Unless you > want to spend the time moving the focus control from the shutter button > to the AEL/AFL button on the back of the 510, I though of doing that > but never got that far. Maybe I'm getting to old, I dont know but I simply > prefer the control from using things such as this in manual or semi > auto modes which still give me a fair bit of control. > > The number of friends I see with DSLR's and slightly out of focus shots > is certainly on the increase, they dont seem to notice it themselves.. > >> Here is the photo once more: >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Snake+23a.tif.html > > Love the green, certainly make the snake stand out. > > Also bought myself a FP-1 flash grip for the FL-50, got tired of the > batteries in the FL-50 going flat so quickly, even with the batt > compartment > open so the batt's are not connected. Certainly makes a big difference ! > > Might start using the FL-50 more now instead of the T45 or the T32 and T20 > combo I've been using (T20 straight ahead on the hot show, the T32 with > Grip2 for bounce/shadow control). > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.comkal.net/ > > hen choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried before > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 07:50:12 2009 Received: (qmail 17996 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 05:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 05:50:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F99E182E4 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3F6E240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62FA19FB57 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:50:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5500619FB56 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:50:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:50:06 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4A5o3Hd016694 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:50:05 GMT Message-ID: <315C71CEBD4A4F3DAF1F4EDF40D7857E@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <984958449.6407801241926791152.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><83664AD25E1442828BF8E43614872C67@jimnichols> <088A6D5D332E4ECF933C6D36BE49EB41@MAIN> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:50:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 07:50:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a066b1477549117217770 Thanks C.H. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > To make it clear, all 50/1.8s are made in Japan. The MIJ 50/1.8 refer to > the > latest version with Made In Japan printed on the front lens locking ring. > Peoples believe it is the best version. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > >> Thanks, Jim. It took me a few minutes to figure that one out for myself. >> Looking on *boy, I see some with Made in Japan, some say just Japan, >> others >> have Made in Japan on the back rim. Most say "Auto-S". I'm not sure what >> I >> am looking for to get the one with the best reputation. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> >>> Made in Japan >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jim Nichols" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 8:07:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >>> >>> Hi Wayne, >>> >>> Thanks for the info. What does MIJ mean? I'm not up to date on all of >>> the >>> shorthand. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Wayne Harridge" >>> To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" >>> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >>> >>> >>>> Just pick up a Zuiko 50/1.8 MIJ and OM adapter, $50 total. I doubt you >>>> would be able to tell the difference from a Summicron in any practical >>>> way, >>>> there is however a significant psychological effect in using Leica >>>> glass >>>> though ! (mind over matter) >>>> >>>> ...Wayne >>>> >>>> Wayne Harridge >>>> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 07:53:38 2009 Received: (qmail 20747 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 05:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 05:53:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0183E182ED for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1597BE240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B1819FB5B for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FB419FB56 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 22:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4A5rTle017620 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:53:31 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <004901c9d11b$b9d70b10$2d852130$@com.au><2591EB1DE3164ED59EF266DB9ED34D39@jimnichols> <004a01c9d130$48b003a0$da100ae0$@com.au> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:54:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 07:53:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a066be237911257536491 Thanks, Wayne. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > G'day Jim, > > MIJ - The lens has "made in Japan" on the front ID ring, other variants > had > different things like "JAPAN". My MIJ 50/1.8 has a serial number just > over > 5000000. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Nichols [mailto:jhnichols@lighttube.net] >> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 1:07 PM >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> Hi Wayne, >> >> Thanks for the info. What does MIJ mean? I'm not up to date on all of >> the >> shorthand. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wayne Harridge" >> To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" >> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> >> > Just pick up a Zuiko 50/1.8 MIJ and OM adapter, $50 total. I doubt >> you >> > would be able to tell the difference from a Summicron in any >> practical >> > way, >> > there is however a significant psychological effect in using Leica >> glass >> > though ! (mind over matter) >> > >> > ...Wayne >> > >> > Wayne Harridge >> > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Jim Nichols [] >> >> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 9:35 AM >> >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> >> >> Hi Ken, >> >> >> >> For a few days, I have tried a Takumar 1.8/55mm instead of the >> Leica-R >> >> 2.8/28 that I use most of the time. I was amazed at the improved >> >> focusing >> >> using the longer lens, even on the E-510 viewfinder. I think both >> the >> >> shallower DOF and the increased max aperture both come into play >> here. >> >> I >> >> have been trying to decide whether or not to spend the money for a >> used >> >> Leica-R Summicron 2.0/50. For a lot of the photos that I take, it >> would >> >> work >> >> fine. I realize that there are OM lenses that would probably do as >> >> well, but >> >> I grew up using Leica glass and have an appreciation of it that is >> hard >> >> to >> >> break. >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 08:04:58 2009 Received: (qmail 26237 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 06:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 06:04:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32487E182F0 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAEBE240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6299234AC024 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:04:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901CC34AC023 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:04:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4A64olR028791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 16:04:51 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <1E9154B5-DCDA-4910-8858-D532A8BCC9D9@gmail.com><27211548.4931241774628313.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A05FEA8.8090108@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 16:04:46 +1000 Message-ID: <004d01c9d135$392e7e70$ab8b7b50$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnRKCcAKe6AbbxNTTyYLRjkFKLC6gADMvbA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 08:04:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a066e8a144483675314703 Just looking at those shots CH, I noticed the building under construction with the green stuff around it, is that scaffolding bamboo ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: C.H.Ling [] > Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 2:31 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? > > An interesting table, Moose. Yes, the 40/2 was an inexpenisve lens, I > missed > the chance to purchase a few for backup as I though it was just so so > :-) > But I was wrong! One the field it is a great lens, good bokeh and > sharpness > with better than normal close up capability, with a small Olympus Z-49 > hood > mounted it is just great in handling and looking too. Under test, it is > on > par or better than 50/1.4, better than 50/3.5 for edge performance for > infinity objects. > > Here are two test shots, again no sharpen applied: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3663_40F2_F2.JPG > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 08:19:01 2009 Received: (qmail 25290 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 06:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 06:19:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622A8E182D4 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2423E240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CDE19FB7F for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:18:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3916119FB7C for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:18:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50837 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M32NB-0001W2-EW for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 09 May 2009 23:18:53 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 02:18:51 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF Thread-Index: AcnRKrOsDPmKiXkNRKmaV2RUDHnY7QABnhRwAAGA7Do= In-Reply-To: <004b01c9d131$8b68e580$a23ab080$@com.au> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 08:19:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0671d5216749117217770 Some MIJ versions did have sticky apertures. My father's MIJ developed that. I still have it, and it looks like new cause he never took many photos with it, but it probably isn't worth repairing since I have one that works fine and these lenses sell for $25 in nice shape on ebay. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/10/09 1:38 AM, "Wayne Harridge" wrote: > Yeah, forgot to mention that. Thought to be the best optically, though > mechanically maybe not, I think some suffered from oily/sticky diaphragms. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: C.H.Ling [] >> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 2:49 PM >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> To make it clear, all 50/1.8s are made in Japan. The MIJ 50/1.8 refer >> to the >> latest version with Made In Japan printed on the front lens locking >> ring. >> Peoples believe it is the best version. >> >> C.H.Ling >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 08:21:02 2009 Received: (qmail 7765 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 06:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 06:21:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90CCEE182EC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B17DE240AC for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0362319FB82 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:20:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A29519FB81 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 23:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4A6KqVR007942 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 06:20:53 GMT Message-ID: <4C29B06AE1CB4244A733C011520FA897@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:21:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 08:21:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06724e161641591313764 Thanks, Chris. I'm learning a lot tonight. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > Some MIJ versions did have sticky apertures. My father's MIJ developed > that. > I still have it, and it looks like new cause he never took many photos > with > it, but it probably isn't worth repairing since I have one that works fine > and these lenses sell for $25 in nice shape on ebay. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-747-3962 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > > On 5/10/09 1:38 AM, "Wayne Harridge" > wrote: > >> Yeah, forgot to mention that. Thought to be the best optically, though >> mechanically maybe not, I think some suffered from oily/sticky >> diaphragms. >> >> ...Wayne >> >> Wayne Harridge >> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: C.H.Ling [] >>> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 2:49 PM >>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >>> >>> To make it clear, all 50/1.8s are made in Japan. The MIJ 50/1.8 refer >>> to the >>> latest version with Made In Japan printed on the front lens locking >>> ring. >>> Peoples believe it is the best version. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 09:08:48 2009 Received: (qmail 24656 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 07:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 07:08:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C5EE1822D for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548F3E240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFE234AC025 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:08:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C7834AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:08:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4A78ag7028811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:08:37 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A06EB28.24001.5A5F12@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4A06EB28.24001.5A5F12@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:08:32 +1000 Message-ID: <004e01c9d13e$21c92e20$655b8a60$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnRGvvD0mO8PJ4bSLeibwDpunS7HQAItbGg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Non OM; another photographer's site X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 09:08:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a067d80127541470116606 Impressive work ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Swale [] > Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 12:57 PM > To: olympus@thomasclausen.net > Subject: [OM] Non OM; another photographer's site > > Hi all, > > Courtesy a friend, this site has inspirational photos. Especially look > at the > exhibitions. The book is also worth viewing. > > http://www.floranova.com.au/index3.htm > > Cheers, Brian Swale. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 09:40:48 2009 Received: (qmail 574 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 07:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 07:40:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C24E182E2 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171ECE240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4ED34AC026 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:40:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250CB34AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:40:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21593 invoked by uid 502); 10 May 2009 07:40:41 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-170-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.170.61) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2009 07:40:41 -0000 Message-ID: <4A0684F3.4030309@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:40:35 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <1E9154B5-DCDA-4910-8858-D532A8BCC9D9@gmail.com> <27211548.4931241774628313.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A05FEA8.8090108@gmail.com> <4A06192A.9010906@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A06192A.9010906@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 09:40:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06850011641499373980 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > That's cool. Looks like maybe you built it from the eSIF? > Somebody else on the list built it. I don't recall at the moment who, but I sorta think it was someone who hasn't been heard from for some time? I downloaded it at the time and kept it in a misc OM stuff file as a handy reference. Moose > Moose wrote: > >> Dawid Loubser wrote: >> >>> That makes sense. I've never used a 40/2.0 (would love one) but symmetrical designs generally produce great background blur, and the 40/2.0 is one of the few (if any?) OM Zuiko fully symmetrical lens designs? >>> >> The 40/2 is no more symmetrical than the various 50 mm lenses. >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 09:43:43 2009 Received: (qmail 17178 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 07:43:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 07:43:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD7FE182E0 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B070E240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B04A19DC25 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:43:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9462619DC20 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:43:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n4A7hYVs009589 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:43:34 +0800 Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4A7hTAe029147 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:43:29 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <1E9154B5-DCDA-4910-8858-D532A8BCC9D9@gmail.com><27211548.4931241774628313.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A05FEA8.8090108@gmail.com> <004d01c9d135$392e7e70$ab8b7b50$@com.au> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:43:23 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 09:43:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0685af18521234514069 Yes, it is scaffolding bamboo. Most of the construction/renovation projects use it. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" > Just looking at those shots CH, I noticed the building under construction > with the green stuff around it, is that scaffolding bamboo ? > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 09:49:36 2009 Received: (qmail 6965 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 07:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 07:49:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9483E182C9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410A8E240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C84434AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:49:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE0F34AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:49:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26655 invoked by uid 502); 10 May 2009 07:49:31 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-170-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.170.61) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2009 07:49:31 -0000 Message-ID: <4A068705.4040401@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:49:25 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <9A083DE70EE3434AAB272503E0B4D81F@MAIN> <4A060179.2000903@gmail.com> <4A0619F1.6020009@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0619F1.6020009@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 09:49:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a068710300691023412894 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > From your own post of Apr 2004 > Yeah, but the 1,085,000 S/N is from earlier posts, not my own direct knowledge. It's from back in the days when list members were sending lenses back and forth for direct physical comparisons, counting number and colors of reflections and so forth. Before my time, but still fresh in some memories when I joined.. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 10:12:37 2009 Received: (qmail 15149 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 08:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 08:12:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD2AE182B2 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDACE240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2786434AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:12:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2B234AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:12:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6631 invoked by uid 502); 10 May 2009 08:12:29 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-170-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.170.61) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2009 08:12:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4A068C67.3040000@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:12:23 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <984958449.6407801241926791152.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <83664AD25E1442828BF8E43614872C67@jimnichols> <088A6D5D332E4ECF933C6D36BE49EB41@MAIN> <004b01c9d131$8b68e580$a23ab080$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <004b01c9d131$8b68e580$a23ab080$@com.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 10:12:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a068c7533871073733319 Wayne Harridge wrote: > Yeah, forgot to mention that. Thought to be the best optically, though mechanically maybe not, I think some suffered from oily/sticky diaphragms. > Oly made a LOT of mij 50/1.8s. Of four miJs that have passed through my hands, with S/Ns between 3,500,000 and 3,700,000, one had a slightly slow diaphragm mechanism. The one I kept is 5,814,xxx, and very snappy. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 10:19:32 2009 Received: (qmail 20516 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 08:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 08:19:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CC4E182EB for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C64E240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E08434AC026 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:19:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD8A34AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:19:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl33.gs02.gridserver.com (cl33.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.42]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-178-232.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.178.232]:50710 helo=[192.168.2.4]) by cl33.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M34Fp-0000bf-0h for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:19:25 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 04:19:23 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF Thread-Index: AcnRSAZHRKwCoj07Ed6pEwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4A068C67.3040000@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 10:19:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a068e144751073733319 Moose, That fits my samples too. My dad's lens with the slow aperture is an even older one than yours: 3,234,xxx The two good mij's that I have are in the 5,8xx,xxx range. They must have improved them along the way! -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-3962 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 5/10/09 4:12 AM, "Moose" wrote: > Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Yeah, forgot to mention that. Thought to be the best optically, though >> mechanically maybe not, I think some suffered from oily/sticky diaphragms. >> > > Oly made a LOT of mij 50/1.8s. Of four miJs that have passed through my > hands, with S/Ns between 3,500,000 and 3,700,000, one had a slightly > slow diaphragm mechanism. The one I kept is 5,814,xxx, and very snappy. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 10:24:15 2009 Received: (qmail 21241 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 08:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 08:24:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F9BE182EA for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F245E240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0FA34AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:24:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A3634AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:24:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp07.online.nl (smtp07.online.nl [194.134.42.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp07.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABFF9822F for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:24:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:24:08 +0200 (CEST) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:24:06 +0200 Message-ID: <23E34582C30C4827B0C168B487922F04@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp07.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 10:24:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a068f2f233331035110158 Ken Norton wrote: ----- > > I've had remarkable success lately with manual-focus on the > OM-3Ti and OM-4T with 2-13 screens. It's a pleasure to be > able to press the shutter release and get a picture when I want it. > > As I've written elsewhere recently, not all progress is progress. > > (I know, I'm going to get blasted by everybody who has a > proper DSLR with good AF, not the cruddy E-system AF) > > AG ----- I think all will be fine if you tell your E-1 just to make the picture even if out of focus. I don't have the manual on hand, but I think it is called shutter priority. E-1 will immediately make any photo when the shutter button is fully depressed, even if the image is not in focus. Wiliam -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 10:36:48 2009 Received: (qmail 21859 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 08:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 08:36:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4190FE182EE for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305FAE240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DD019DDE6 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:36:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6205F19DDD9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:36:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19161 invoked by uid 502); 10 May 2009 08:36:39 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-170-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.170.61) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2009 08:36:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:36:33 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com> <569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 10:36:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a069220150611023412894 Jim Nichols wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > I did that for a number of years with a Braun flash unit and film cameras. It does work well. Your examples are excellent, though I notice that a large number of them have the subjects seated in chairs, which, I feel, is cheating. > I have lots of those too, taken with T32 and OM-2a in TTL flash mode. I know, Chuck, I know, but I was seduced by the way most all of them came out properly exposed. I was so innocent; I just used what worked. ;-) And Chuck's are indeed a good set. On the other hand, they look like flash pics, not like the subjects looked like between flashes, just like those I have taken over the years. Now that it's possible, I much prefer more location appropriate light. > I was hoping to explore the higher ISA digital settings and not have to use the intrusive flash. I did use on-camera flash for some close-in shots, but it won't cover a large room. > The E-510 appears to be a good camera. However, it's not at the top of the list for either speed of AF in dim light nor high ISO performance. I posted these recently, but post them again to show that shots of active kidlets are indeed possible in very dim light without flash using a camera with better AF and high ISO performance and a fastish lens (50/1.8). Like Chuck, I use only the center AF point. Unlike him, I use conventional half-press AF activation. With moving kids @ f1.8, there just isn't enough DOF for zoning or prefocus, it's just reflex 'push the button'. If I had to not only wait for them to slow down for a moment in a decent pose, but do so in the correct focal plane - OY! Although it turned out wonderfully, the original motivation for dropping my hat on Liam's head was to puzzle him for a moment so he would stop moving. That kid is a constant squirmer and wiggler - until the event in the last image happens. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 10:43:23 2009 Received: (qmail 23171 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 08:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 08:43:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A367E181B2 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C56E240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB35C19DE14 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:43:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3D319DDD9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:43:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22301 invoked by uid 502); 10 May 2009 08:43:17 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-170-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.170.61) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2009 08:43:17 -0000 Message-ID: <4A0693A0.7010003@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:43:12 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 10:43:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0693ab248311234514069 Chris Crawford wrote: > Moose, > > That fits my samples too. My dad's lens with the slow aperture is an even older one than yours: 3,234,xxx > > The two good mij's that I have are in the 5,8xx,xxx range. They must have improved them along the way! > Ah! More data points!. My suspicion is that the problem was a lubricant for the focusing helicoid that broke down with, time, heat and use. No particular reason why they would happen to change lubricants just at the other changeover. Maybe they later became aware of the problem as early MC lenses starting acting up, or maybe just good luck with a change made for another reason. My more limited experience with MC marked versions was of a couple or three with issues and one nicely snappy.There could also have been differences in different batches of lube. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 10:44:00 2009 Received: (qmail 19475 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 08:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 08:44:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9853BE182B7 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301B6E240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208D519DE20 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:43:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A2419DDD9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:43:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4A8hb7v018253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:43:38 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <1E9154B5-DCDA-4910-8858-D532A8BCC9D9@gmail.com><27211548.4931241774628313.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A05FEA8.8090108@gmail.com> <004d01c9d135$392e7e70$ab8b7b50$@com.au> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:43:33 +1000 Message-ID: <004f01c9d14b$67c33ad0$3749b070$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnRQwvv+hNvX2VLR2+wY5oehpjYGwACC23w Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 10:44:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0693d0261801591313764 Very impressive, I'd seen it used in KL 20+ years ago, I didn't realise it was still used. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: C.H.Ling [] > Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 5:43 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? > > Yes, it is scaffolding bamboo. Most of the construction/renovation > projects > use it. > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 10:45:39 2009 Received: (qmail 5112 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 08:45:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 08:45:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB955E182EB for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CA4E240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0793019DE40 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:45:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4368619DE2B for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-70-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.70.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4A8jUa6013875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:45:31 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CB9D8B3F999C61-16A4-EE0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> <9A083DE70EE3434AAB272503E0B4D81F@MAIN> <4A060179.2000903@gmail.com> <4A0619F1.6020009@chucknorcutt.com> <4A068705.4040401@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A068705.4040401@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:45:26 +1000 Message-ID: <005001c9d14b$ab2c0130$01840390$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnRQ929nvNODEXVRrG2uuu4FxuzoAAB6LWw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 10:45:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a069433121781470116606 Yeah, some of us are really concerned about this stuff ! I've been hanging out here for over 10 years. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Moose [] > Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 5:49 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] So what Zuiko is the true Bokeh Champ? > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > From your own post of Apr 2004 > > > > Yeah, but the 1,085,000 S/N is from earlier posts, not my own direct > knowledge. > > It's from back in the days when list members were sending lenses back > and forth for direct physical comparisons, counting number and colors > of > reflections and so forth. Before my time, but still fresh in some > memories when I joined.. > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 10:51:17 2009 Received: (qmail 19050 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 08:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 08:51:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBD3E1822E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0238E240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5E034AC025 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:51:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223E534AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:51:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp03.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp03.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.4]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 01:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 31.red-83-33-127.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.33.127.31]:63622 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay03.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.43]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1M34kT-0003BK-Bt (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Sun, 10 May 2009 09:51:06 +0100 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:51:02 +0200 References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 10:51:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a069585232681591313764 Hi Jim, I find that I am getting a higher percentage of correctly focused (i.e. focused where I intend) shots with my Leica M8 than I do with the E3. On the other hand, the autofocus on the E3 lets me take pictures of situations (especially sports) where rangefinder manual focus simply is not the right tool. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On May 9, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > In looking back at the snake photo that I posted yesterday, and > examining the image while recalling the difficulty in getting the ZD > 14-54, at 54mm, to grab a focus point, I am convinced that the > manual focus 55mm gives me a better chance of getting the proper > focus point. In this busy image, I think that the AF would never > have found the snake's eye as the focus point. > > Anyone have experience in this area? > > Here is the photo once more: > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Snake+23a.tif.html > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 11:02:11 2009 Received: (qmail 1253 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 09:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 09:02:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D58E182B1 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB554E240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F1834AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:02:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9EF34AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:02:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@m93.myzen.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M34v6-0001FG-Hh for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:02:04 +0000 Message-ID: <4A069842.9070509@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:02:58 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A06EB28.24001.5A5F12@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4A06EB28.24001.5A5F12@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [217.155.39.109] Subject: Re: [OM] Non OM; another photographer's site X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 11:02:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a069813306589347015869 Now that really is slow... Martyn Brian Swale wrote: > Hi all, > > Courtesy a friend, this site has inspirational photos. Especially look at the > exhibitions. The book is also worth viewing. > > http://www.floranova.com.au/index3.htm > > Cheers, Brian Swale. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 11:28:01 2009 Received: (qmail 379 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 09:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 09:28:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E77E182D0 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8364E240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B1719DF53 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:27:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD70119DF36 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:27:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f212.google.com (mail-fx0-f212.google.com [209.85.220.212]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so2077555fxm.14 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:27:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.225.11 with SMTP id c11mr3517205mur.24.1241947669626; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:27:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <137067.29794.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <137067.29794.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:27:49 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: aa0c44e98ce998ac Message-ID: <9f07ac840905100227td9cbee0od5984c4491501c9@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 11:28:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a069e20275271993019900 Thanks Ali - looks like (with current plan) that we'll drive from Niagara to Montreal on the US side of the lake but we won't have any time for detours :-(cheers Jez On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 4:19 AM, AS wrote: > > > There isnt much across the border, perhaps you'd like to photograph > abandoned factories. If you plan to cross let me know. I work just a few > miles away. > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 11:29:17 2009 Received: (qmail 7393 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 09:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 09:29:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B39BE182E2 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BC0E240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE9419DF53 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:29:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713AF19DF36 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:29:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7856) for ; 10 May 2009 19:29:06 +1000 Message-ID: <100.28c90e00609e064a.014@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "OM List" Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:29:04 +1000 (EST) Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.04 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.04.56.1360) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] They try so hard X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 11:29:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a069e6d247902046811720 eboy item 120418007587 Must remember this persons wording when I next sell on the bay :o) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ "Some would sooner die than think. In fact, they often do." -- Bertrand Russell -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 11:29:50 2009 Received: (qmail 27403 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 09:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 09:29:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42377E180CA for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E2CE240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F9019DF53 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:29:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E374619DF36 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:29:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFAA46163F for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:51:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <97190F9D-7363-41AC-B968-F2A23FA92939@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <200905092239.03804.doug9345@localnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:29:23 +0100 References: <200905092239.03804.doug9345@localnet.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Web-page sizes and download times X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 11:29:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a069e8e210058512572685 My mother lives in Portugal, where broadband is particularly patchy in rural areas, so she is trying a cellular connection with Vodafone. I use a 3G connection for my laptop on the train in the UK. Of course, it's likely that your cellular coverage will be poor if you don't have much in the way of other mains connectivity ... Chris On 10 May 2009, at 03:39, Doug wrote: > Basically dial up is my only real option. When Verizon put DSL in > last year we > were and with a different telephone company so we never got a shot > at it > before all 32 lines were snatched up. I didn't play 22 questions > with the > linemen, even though they camped the the front yard for several days > working > in the box. > > I've looked at Satellite, but I've seen mixed reviews and it's too > much money > for me to experiment with. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 11:41:26 2009 Received: (qmail 21634 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 09:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 09:41:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB74E182D0 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FA0E240AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714B219DF94 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:41:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7037C19DF57 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:41:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (frank@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 02:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1M35X4-00043b-AC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 11:41:18 +0200 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:40:53 +0200 Message-ID: References: <100.28c90e00609e064a.014@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: <100.28c90e00609e064a.014@comkal.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] They try so hard X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 11:41:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06a146192121499373980 The Interior Lenses really make me drool..... but unfortunately they are the only ones to come with the body. Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. On Sun, 10 May 2009 19:29:04 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote: >eboy item 120418007587 > >Must remember this persons wording when I next sell >on the bay :o) > >Cheers >Ian Manners >http://www.comkal.net/ > >"Some would sooner die than think. In fact, they often do." -- Bertrand Russell -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 13:17:13 2009 Received: (qmail 21416 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 11:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 11:17:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC95E182F1 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 04:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E9DE240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 04:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D16619E14D for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 04:17:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1708819E13F for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 04:17:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 04:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.58.104] (104.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.104]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9BE3DA053; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:17:00 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:17:02 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A07606E.2806.2247B02@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090509-0, 09/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Description: Mail message body X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Carol Randal Subject: [OM] (OM) Autumn in Central Otago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 13:17:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06b7b9319789117217770 Hi all, I promised to make available some shots taken during my autumn foray into Central Otago, NZ, over the last 3 weeks. You may see them here http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ The shot of espalier apples obstinately refuses to load completely; what you see has the bottom 6% missing. "Landscape photography; searching for found objects that can be seen in a pleasing way ..." Quote from Brian Swale just before midnight 10 May 2009. For those of you in the northern hemisphere, this is an improbable state of affairs, since for you this space in time does not exist yet ... Cheers Brian Swale. http://www.brianswale.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 14:13:31 2009 Received: (qmail 401 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 12:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 12:13:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB389E182E5 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873BBE240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E8634AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:13:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA04A34AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:13:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22612 invoked by uid 504); 10 May 2009 12:13:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2009 12:13:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4A06C4E2.40001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 08:13:22 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <100.28c90e00609e064a.014@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: <100.28c90e00609e064a.014@comkal.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090509-0, 05/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] They try so hard X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 14:13:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06c4eb90574673671140 He hasn't even bothered to clean the dust off. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ian Manners wrote: > eboy item 120418007587 > > Must remember this persons wording when I next sell > on the bay :o) > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.comkal.net/ > > "Some would sooner die than think. In fact, they often do." -- Bertrand Russell -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 14:40:43 2009 Received: (qmail 25898 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 12:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 12:40:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7067FE1822D for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67129E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3738D34AC025 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:40:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C98834AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:40:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 05:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4539 invoked by uid 504); 10 May 2009 12:40:32 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2009 12:40:32 -0000 Message-ID: <4A06CB40.5050606@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 08:40:32 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A07606E.2806.2247B02@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4A07606E.2806.2247B02@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090509-0, 05/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Autumn in Central Otago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 14:40:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06cb4b210201234514069 Thanks for the tour. They're lovely but there are a couple that strike me as overly JPEG compressed... #'s 1, 2 and 10. They appear to me as though posterization is beginning to creep in. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > Hi all, > > I promised to make available some shots taken during my autumn foray into > Central Otago, NZ, over the last 3 weeks. > > You may see them here > http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ > > The shot of espalier apples obstinately refuses to load completely; what you > see has the bottom 6% missing. > > "Landscape photography; searching for found objects that can be seen in a > pleasing way ..." Quote from Brian Swale just before midnight 10 May > 2009. For those of you in the northern hemisphere, this is an improbable > state of affairs, since for you this space in time does not exist yet ... > > Cheers > Brian Swale. http://www.brianswale.com > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 15:01:08 2009 Received: (qmail 18474 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 13:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 13:01:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8A2E1822E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 06:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC90E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 06:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9EC834AC025 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 06:01:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E4B34AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 06:01:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 06:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7856) for ; 10 May 2009 23:00:55 +1000 Message-ID: <100.f8e20b0004d0064a.018@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:00:52 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <4A06EB28.24001.5A5F12@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <4A06EB28.24001.5A5F12@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.04 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.04.56.1360) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Non OM; another photographer's site X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 15:01:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06d01455711869477228 > http://www.floranova.com.au/index3.htm So how do I get past the flash ? This is the sort of rubbish Intervision Australia do when they make websites. Ohh, it is an Australian website. Not all of us use Windows or Mac :-) Guess I'll have to look at it later on my wifes Mac. Be nice if Abode could open up the code for Flash for other platforms. Grrrrippp finished. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Borrow money from a pessimist - they don't expect it back. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 16:03:48 2009 Received: (qmail 26694 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 14:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 14:03:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A93E182EF for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADC5E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1FF19E49F for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:03:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55BF19E495 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:03:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17088 invoked by uid 504); 10 May 2009 14:03:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2009 14:03:38 -0000 Message-ID: <4A06DEB9.2000103@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:03:37 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A06EB28.24001.5A5F12@bj.caverock.net.nz> <100.f8e20b0004d0064a.018@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: <100.f8e20b0004d0064a.018@comkal.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090509-0, 05/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Non OM; another photographer's site X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 16:03:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06dec4241071823421471 Adobe... open up code? ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaa. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ian Manners wrote: >> http://www.floranova.com.au/index3.htm > > So how do I get past the flash ? This is the sort of rubbish > Intervision Australia do when they make websites. > > Ohh, it is an Australian website. > > Not all of us use Windows or Mac :-) > Guess I'll have to look at it later on my wifes Mac. > Be nice if Abode could open up the code for Flash for other platforms. > > Grrrrippp finished. > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.comkal.net/ > > Borrow money from a pessimist - they don't expect it back. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 16:16:42 2009 Received: (qmail 30002 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 14:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 14:16:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CCAE182F1 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050E9E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B6334AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:16:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5437534AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:16:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090510141635357.DWV19662@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 14:16:35 +0000 Message-Id: <08A586B4-3C81-4354-A1BA-B09B1AE6B6B9@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A07606E.2806.2247B02@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:34 -0400 References: <4A07606E.2806.2247B02@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Autumn in Central Otago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 16:16:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06e1ca184371035110158 Moonrise. Excellent. Easy to see why Lord of the Rings was shot in New Zealand. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 10, 2009, at 7:17 AM, Brian Swale wrote: > Hi all, > > I promised to make available some shots taken during my autumn foray > into > Central Otago, NZ, over the last 3 weeks. > > You may see them here > http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ > > The shot of espalier apples obstinately refuses to load completely; > what you > see has the bottom 6% missing. > > "Landscape photography; searching for found objects that can be seen > in a > pleasing way ..." Quote from Brian Swale just before midnight 10 May > 2009. For those of you in the northern hemisphere, this is an > improbable > state of affairs, since for you this space in time does not exist > yet ... > > Cheers > Brian Swale. http://www.brianswale.com > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 16:59:28 2009 Received: (qmail 15331 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 14:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 14:59:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7A2E182C9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009BFE240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA7119E5A7 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:59:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEA119E535 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:59:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 07:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4AExJeN005509 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:59:20 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A07606E.2806.2247B02@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A06CB40.5050606@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:58:56 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Autumn in Central Otago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 16:59:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06ebd0273041838542571 Interesting, I don't see the posterization you mentioned. BTW, there are lots of nice images, some with beautiful fresh tone. I especially like: Lombardy-poplars-Waikerikeri horse-poplars-Waikerikeri-Valley, but there seems some data fault. Lake-Dunstan, especially when the color profile is corrected from Adobe RGB to sRGB. And the grapes are so real :-) I love it. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Thanks for the tour. They're lovely but there are a couple that strike > me as overly JPEG compressed... #'s 1, 2 and 10. They appear to me as > though posterization is beginning to creep in. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Brian Swale wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I promised to make available some shots taken during my autumn foray into >> Central Otago, NZ, over the last 3 weeks. >> >> You may see them here >> http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ >> >> The shot of espalier apples obstinately refuses to load completely; what >> you >> see has the bottom 6% missing. >> >> "Landscape photography; searching for found objects that can be seen in a >> pleasing way ..." Quote from Brian Swale just before midnight 10 May >> 2009. For those of you in the northern hemisphere, this is an improbable >> state of affairs, since for you this space in time does not exist yet ... >> >> Cheers >> Brian Swale. http://www.brianswale.com >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 17:48:49 2009 Received: (qmail 13971 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 15:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 15:48:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCEFE182DC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C48E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE8234AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:48:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACB734AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:48:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:48:41 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4AFmb92005545 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:48:39 GMT Message-ID: <8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:48:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 17:48:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06f761271791823421471 Great kid shots, Moose. I will work on my technique. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Hi Chuck, >> >> I did that for a number of years with a Braun flash unit and film >> cameras. It does work well. Your examples are excellent, though I notice >> that a large number of them have the subjects seated in chairs, which, I >> feel, is cheating. >> > > I have lots of those too, taken with T32 and OM-2a in TTL flash mode. I > know, Chuck, I know, but I was seduced by the way most all of them came > out properly exposed. I was so innocent; I just used what worked. ;-) > > And Chuck's are indeed a good set. On the other hand, they look like > flash pics, not like the subjects looked like between flashes, just like > those I have taken over the years. Now that it's possible, I much prefer > more location appropriate light. > >> I was hoping to explore the higher ISA digital settings and not have to >> use the intrusive flash. I did use on-camera flash for some close-in >> shots, but it won't cover a large room. >> > > The E-510 appears to be a good camera. However, it's not at the top of > the list for either speed of AF in dim light nor high ISO performance. I > posted these recently, but post them again to show that shots of active > kidlets are indeed possible in very dim light without flash using a > camera with better AF and high ISO performance and a fastish lens > (50/1.8). > > > Like Chuck, I use only the center AF point. Unlike him, I use > conventional half-press AF activation. With moving kids @ f1.8, there > just isn't enough DOF for zoning or prefocus, it's just reflex 'push the > button'. If I had to not only wait for them to slow down for a moment in > a decent pose, but do so in the correct focal plane - OY! > > Although it turned out wonderfully, the original motivation for dropping > my hat on Liam's head was to puzzle him for a moment so he would stop > moving. That kid is a constant squirmer and wiggler - until the event in > the last image happens. :-) > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 17:51:16 2009 Received: (qmail 27821 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 15:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 15:51:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260E5E182DD for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDC3E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4362F34AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:51:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D41434AC025 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:51:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 08:51:09 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4AFp5fj007135 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:51:07 GMT Message-ID: <4BB1040B8F5C44F29EB019F3F3841193@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:51:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 17:51:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06f7f4197937350615338 Hi Nathan, I guess we all find that "horses for courses" is true with photo equipment as well as sporting events. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > Hi Jim, > > I find that I am getting a higher percentage of correctly focused > (i.e. focused where I intend) shots with my Leica M8 than I do with > the E3. On the other hand, the autofocus on the E3 lets me take > pictures of situations (especially sports) where rangefinder manual > focus simply is not the right tool. > > Cheers, > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > On May 9, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> In looking back at the snake photo that I posted yesterday, and >> examining the image while recalling the difficulty in getting the ZD >> 14-54, at 54mm, to grab a focus point, I am convinced that the >> manual focus 55mm gives me a better chance of getting the proper >> focus point. In this busy image, I think that the AF would never >> have found the snake's eye as the focus point. >> >> Anyone have experience in this area? >> >> Here is the photo once more: >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Snake+23a.tif.html >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 18:10:00 2009 Received: (qmail 29672 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 16:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 16:09:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6421E182C7 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D400AE240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AA034AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:09:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59F934AC026 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:09:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 09:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24329 invoked by uid 504); 10 May 2009 16:09:50 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2009 16:09:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4A06FC4E.5020403@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:09:50 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A07606E.2806.2247B02@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A06CB40.5050606@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090509-0, 05/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Autumn in Central Otago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 18:10:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a06fc586121591313764 Posterization is probably too strong a word. There aren't any strong dividing lines between colors. In those particular images I just don't see as many different tones as I would have expected. Maybe it's my monitor or my eyes... or both. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Interesting, I don't see the posterization you mentioned. > > BTW, there are lots of nice images, some with beautiful fresh tone. I > especially like: > > Lombardy-poplars-Waikerikeri > horse-poplars-Waikerikeri-Valley, but there seems some data fault. > Lake-Dunstan, especially when the color profile is corrected from Adobe RGB > to sRGB. > And the grapes are so real :-) I love it. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> Thanks for the tour. They're lovely but there are a couple that strike >> me as overly JPEG compressed... #'s 1, 2 and 10. They appear to me as >> though posterization is beginning to creep in. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Brian Swale wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I promised to make available some shots taken during my autumn foray into >>> Central Otago, NZ, over the last 3 weeks. >>> >>> You may see them here >>> http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ >>> >>> The shot of espalier apples obstinately refuses to load completely; what >>> you >>> see has the bottom 6% missing. >>> >>> "Landscape photography; searching for found objects that can be seen in a >>> pleasing way ..." Quote from Brian Swale just before midnight 10 May >>> 2009. For those of you in the northern hemisphere, this is an improbable >>> state of affairs, since for you this space in time does not exist yet ... >>> >>> Cheers >>> Brian Swale. http://www.brianswale.com >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 19:06:38 2009 Received: (qmail 5270 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 17:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 17:06:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A634E182F0 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D44CE240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F6A34AC026 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:06:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A7334AC025 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:06:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA33731408B for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91C531408A for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A07099B.3030503@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:06:35 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090509-0, 05/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Web-page sizes and download times X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 19:06:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07099e29454673671140 Seems like no matter how fast your connection people will push enough crap at you to slow it down. Just "Because it's there" shouldn't be a good enough reason. I think Adblock is essential for anyone with a slow connection. People who design websites should be mandated by law to use Pentium II computers with 128mb of RAM on dialup. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 19:16:44 2009 Received: (qmail 23280 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 17:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 17:16:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AD7E182E2 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBBAE240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390D834AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30A534AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090510171637770.BJOB2590@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:16:37 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:16:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [OM] (OT) Playing at 21mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 19:16:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a070bfc64138512572685 Went out this morning with the (relatively) new Zeiss 21mm 2.8. Found an old Landing Craft Resupply Cargo (LARC) at Port Clyde and took a couple of snaps. One color, one black and white. In the color shot, you can gauge the scale of the ship by the size of the pilot house at the stern, and by the fact the tires (tyres) are better than six feet tall. The torpedo shaped gizmo in the foreground, which I cannot identify, is _very_ long, giving a good glimpse at how the lens handles that whole near-far thing. I rather like the black and white conversion as a shot unto itself, and again think the lens did a smashing job. http://www.bwp33.com/page15/page15.html For those interested in such things, it's a manual lens, Nykon mount, built for full frame. The D3 lets me dial in the maximum aperture and focal length and thus matrix metering is available. And while it's manual focus, the little dot-thingie in the viewfinder shows itself when focus is achieved at the designated autofocus spot in the viewfinder. I _really_ like this lens, but it's limitations are as yet unknown to me. FWIW, Zeiss included the little metal prong on the aperture ring so I could use this lens on my old Nykon Photomic FTN finder, if I still had the body and finder. (Nykon & Pentax mounts currently available, Canyon mount due out soon, mid-summer if I recall.) --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 19:29:36 2009 Received: (qmail 9787 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 17:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 17:29:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1141DE182DA for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F22E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D180519E989 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E5719E976 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (lmwoods@rcn.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.92]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 May 2009 13:29:31 -0400 Received: (from ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net [209.6.134.92]) by ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.5-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id CLJ68479 (AUTH lmwoods@rcn.com); Sun, 10 May 2009 13:29:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawrence Woods To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.8.5-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090510132930.CLJ68479@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OM] Missing digests? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 19:29:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a070f00323981702588592 It's been a while since people were so verbose, but we've had a few days recently where the listserver decided to send out a digest before its normal daily feed. In those cases, it still sends out its scheduled digest at around 06:00 with whatever arrived after the extra digest went out. The last couple of days I did not get the early digest, but got the truncated 06:00 daily digest. Am I alone in this? This is what I have in my inbox and trash folder at the moment. I may have outright deleted some stuff before noting a problem, but I definitely did not get issue 7.13 or 7.10. Vol 7, Issue 14 May 10, 2009 06:16 6k Vol 7, Issue 11 May 08, 2009 06:17 17k Vol 7, Issue 9 May 07, 2009 06:16 9k Vol 7, Issue 8 May 07, 2009 04:23 121k ----- Larry Woods lmwoods@rcn.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 21:33:46 2009 Received: (qmail 24870 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 19:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 19:33:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D862E18228 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 12:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F52E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC15419EC1C for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B4619EC07 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 12:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12319 invoked by uid 504); 10 May 2009 19:33:30 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2009 19:33:30 -0000 Message-ID: <4A072C07.80005@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:33:27 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090509-0, 05/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Playing at 21mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 21:33:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a072c1a198761591313764 I think LARC #2 is my choice. Is that thing still functional? I see it's flying a flag. I also like Abandoned but can't make up my mind over #1 or #2. Probably #1. Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > Went out this morning with the (relatively) new Zeiss 21mm 2.8. Found > an old Landing Craft Resupply Cargo (LARC) at Port Clyde and took a > couple of snaps. One color, one black and white. In the color shot, > you can gauge the scale of the ship by the size of the pilot house at > the stern, and by the fact the tires (tyres) are better than six feet > tall. The torpedo shaped gizmo in the foreground, which I cannot > identify, is _very_ long, giving a good glimpse at how the lens > handles that whole near-far thing. I rather like the black and white > conversion as a shot unto itself, and again think the lens did a > smashing job. > > http://www.bwp33.com/page15/page15.html > > For those interested in such things, it's a manual lens, Nykon mount, > built for full frame. The D3 lets me dial in the maximum aperture and > focal length and thus matrix metering is available. And while it's > manual focus, the little dot-thingie in the viewfinder shows itself > when focus is achieved at the designated autofocus spot in the > viewfinder. I _really_ like this lens, but it's limitations are as yet > unknown to me. FWIW, Zeiss included the little metal prong on the > aperture ring so I could use this lens on my old Nykon Photomic FTN > finder, if I still had the body and finder. (Nykon & Pentax mounts > currently available, Canyon mount due out soon, mid-summer if I recall.) > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 22:18:23 2009 Received: (qmail 31052 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 20:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 20:18:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0367E1822E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CBCE240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75DC34AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:18:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AA034AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:18:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090510201817648.QEYG13493@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:18:17 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A072C07.80005@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 16:18:16 -0400 References: <4A072C07.80005@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Playing at 21mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 22:18:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07368f176211023412894 Thanx, Chuck. 2 is my favorite, too. As far as I can tell, it's still functional. Everything looks in good order. I'm not sure what it's used for. The waters around Port Clyde are not the calmest one is likely to come across, but perhaps those monsters are hardier than they seem. Abandoned 1 is actually on-topic, as it was shot with my E-1 and 14-54. I spent a lot of time in postprocessing that one, bringing down the highlights in the birch bark. A coupe of people have apparently had it speak to them as well. I think I've sold 2 16x20s in two years. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On May 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I think LARC #2 is my choice. Is that thing still functional? I see > it's flying a flag. I also like Abandoned but can't make up my mind > over #1 or #2. Probably #1. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun May 10 22:33:42 2009 Received: (qmail 5960 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 20:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 20:33:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CA7E182F1 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D89EE240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F008119ED58 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:33:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA3119ECEF for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:33:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCB946163B for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:55:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6D20463A-2857-4A3E-A36D-728B73EB7706@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:33:33 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Playing at 21mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun May 10 22:33:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a073a26274641838542571 Smashing pic, Bob. Makes me think of the D-Day landings ... Chris On 10 May 2009, at 18:16, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Went out this morning with the (relatively) new Zeiss 21mm 2.8. Found > an old Landing Craft Resupply Cargo (LARC) at Port Clyde and took a > couple of snaps. One color, one black and white. In the color shot, > you can gauge the scale of the ship by the size of the pilot house at > the stern, and by the fact the tires (tyres) are better than six feet > tall. The torpedo shaped gizmo in the foreground, which I cannot > identify, is _very_ long, giving a good glimpse at how the lens > handles that whole near-far thing. I rather like the black and white > conversion as a shot unto itself, and again think the lens did a > smashing job. > > http://www.bwp33.com/page15/page15.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 00:14:50 2009 Received: (qmail 27268 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 22:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 22:14:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883DEE182F7 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84D3E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9D91CD492 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:14:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCFC1CD490 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:14:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJG007578GDUB41@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:14:37 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-11-100.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.100]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:14:37 -0300 Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:14:37 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmQMAIbuBkoYigtk/2dsb2JhbACBSoh3wmIHg3cF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,324,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="488122158" References: <1525734153.6218491241839311089.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [OM] A 40k milestone X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 00:14:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0751da308561838542571 Jim ......... by chance do you have any photos to show of the Oregon coast ? We spent several summers in the 1990's camping at Pacific City and would be thrilled at seeing any up to date images. For those who are unfamiliar with the Oregon coast, be asured that it is the eighth wonder of the scenic world. jh ps: Hopefully your shoulder surgery was successful and that you are now restored to good health. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [OM] A 40k milestone > > >>Very nice. I think someone predicted the E1 would be a cult favorite. >>Seems to be turning out that way. I have come across people acquiring E1's >> >recently because they are so rugged. > > > > > > Most recent trip to the Oregon Coast (week b4 my shoulder surgery) had my > E510 and an E1 I acquired a while back. E1 pretty much lived with the > 70-300 on it, I really loved it for feel and performance. Thought I'd miss > the IS with that longer lens, not so much. > > > > It is a very ruggedly built camera, but still handles very nimbly. > > Jim > > -- > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 00:24:20 2009 Received: (qmail 726 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 22:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 22:24:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE858E182F3 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB22E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0829A34AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:24:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8FD34AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:24:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11567 invoked by uid 502); 10 May 2009 22:24:10 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-194-55.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.194.55) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 May 2009 22:24:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4A075403.9060608@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:24:03 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Playing at 21mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 00:24:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07541455374673671140 Bob Whitmire wrote: > Went out this morning with the (relatively) new Zeiss 21mm 2.8. Found an old Landing Craft Resupply Cargo (LARC) at Port Clyde and took a couple of snaps. One color, one black and white. In the color shot, you can gauge the scale of the ship by the size of the pilot house at the stern, and by the fact the tires (tyres) are better than six feet tall. The torpedo shaped gizmo in the foreground, which I cannot identify, is _very_ long, giving a good glimpse at how the lens handles that whole near-far thing. I rather like the black and white > conversion as a shot unto itself, and again think the lens did a smashing job. > > http://www.bwp33.com/page15/page15.html > How fun, LOL! I have roughly equivalent shots of the same beast in the same place, but taken during a very foggy day. As they are taken with ~60 mm eq. FOV, they provide a counterpoint to yours. Landing Craft Resupply Cargo 1 Landing Craft Resupply Cargo 2 Not knowing its proper name, I called it the Sea Truck. I still sort of like that. :-) I think I prefer a more normal fl for the first shot, as giving a realistic look at the proportions of this strange beastie. I very much like the SWA view of #2. As I had the 300D and F10 at that time, I had no real WA, but I doubt I'd have thought of the angle you chose anyway. Is the Dip Net Restaurant still there? We were quite impressed with the quality of the food in a simple lunch out on the deck in the fog. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 00:28:05 2009 Received: (qmail 17516 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 22:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 22:28:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50353E182CB for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8A7E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7CB34AC025 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:27:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348F634AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:27:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KJG00I9K92H59Z0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:27:53 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-11-100.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.100]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 10 May 2009 19:27:52 -0300 Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:27:52 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <03C31F2B82424ECDA497034DEF9B70E5@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmQMAJLxBkoYigtk/2dsb2JhbACBSoh3wmwHg3cF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,324,1238986800"; d="scan'208";a="339381658" References: <1525734153.6218491241839311089.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Subject: [OM] [OT] is this you ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 00:28:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0754f5183591946193717 I came across this piece in today's [10 May] Guardian's on-line edition. In the odds off chance that a listee might be the ticket holder I'd suggest that said person make haste to the nearest ticket payment office. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/10/euromillions-lottery-spain-winner-search jh ps: Nathan, is it yours ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 00:31:56 2009 Received: (qmail 4018 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 22:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 22:31:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF19AE182E5 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82932E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A9434AC025 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAD034AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:31:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jtimpe@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pyMe1b00417UAYkAByXqpV; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:50 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.99]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pyXq1b00928HZcC8ZyXqhY; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:50 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:50 +0000 (UTC) From: JTimpe@comcast.net To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <2116343410.6531471241994710529.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.183.212.99] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.12_GA_2816.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/5.0.12_GA_2816.RHEL5_64) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A 40k milestone X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 00:31:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0755dc10281591313764 I'll send you some memories off-line. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:14:37 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [OM] A 40k milestone Jim ......... by chance do you have any photos to show of the Oregon coast ? We spent several summers in the 1990's camping at Pacific City and would be thrilled at seeing any up to date images. For those who are unfamiliar with the Oregon coast, be asured that it is the eighth wonder of the scenic world. jh ps: Hopefully your shoulder surgery was successful and that you are now restored to good health. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [OM] A 40k milestone > > >>Very nice. I think someone predicted the E1 would be a cult favorite. >>Seems to be turning out that way. I have come across people acquiring E1's >> >recently because they are so rugged. > > > > > > Most recent trip to the Oregon Coast (week b4 my shoulder surgery) had my > E510 and an E1 I acquired a while back. E1 pretty much lived with the > 70-300 on it, I really loved it for feel and performance. Thought I'd miss > the IS with that longer lens, not so much. > > > > It is a very ruggedly built camera, but still handles very nimbly. > > Jim > > -- > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 00:45:53 2009 Received: (qmail 9311 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 22:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 22:45:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A73E182D9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F05E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15681CD493 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310F51CD492 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sandyinchina@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f103.google.com (mail-qy0-f103.google.com [209.85.221.103]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1so3640478qyk.22 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:45:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.86.145 with SMTP id s17mr519001qcl.10.1241995547568; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:45:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5E759C2247804A36B0EFCF77C6402749@hudson> References: <5E759C2247804A36B0EFCF77C6402749@hudson> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:45:47 +0800 Message-ID: From: Sandy Harris To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] calling Sandy Harris in China X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 00:45:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a075921279751993019900 On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 8:46 AM, John Hudson wrote: > > Sandy ........... do you have a brother Ian in Peking ? No relatives there at all, though my grandfather fought there during the Boxer Rebellion. > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/5278200/Sign-language-week-48.html?image=12 > > ps: the last Governor General of Hong Hong opinioned that calling Peking > Beijing was a bit like labelling Rome as "Roma" I certainly won't call Hong Kong "xian gang" or Macau "aomen" in English, and I prefer "Canton" to "Guangzhou", but "Beijing" is fine by me. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 00:49:24 2009 Received: (qmail 30662 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2009 22:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 May 2009 22:49:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F6FE182B2 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4636FE240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2384B1CD48E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:49:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7D41CD48C for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:49:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sandyinchina@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f103.google.com (mail-qy0-f103.google.com [209.85.221.103]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1so3641504qyk.22 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:49:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.110.6 with SMTP id l6mr3189728qcp.52.1241995758011; Sun, 10 May 2009 15:49:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:49:17 +0800 Message-ID: From: Sandy Harris To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Advice re using non-Microsoft op sys. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 00:49:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0759f470451035110158 On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:49 AM, David Bell wrote: > > Can anyone give me advice regarding the installation of alternative > operating system to Windows? > > Is there an advantage for a single user? I wrote something fairly extensive on this: http://raoulschinasaloon.com/index.php?topic=2460.0 -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 02:15:42 2009 Received: (qmail 20614 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 00:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 00:15:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A179E18228 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAF6E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989601CD490 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:15:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35EC1CD48E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1793316ywr.80 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.213.18 with SMTP id l18mr15144460ang.59.1242000930924; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:15:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:15:30 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0c38f3ab312715bc Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Playing at 21mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 02:15:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a076e2e188323675314703 If the landing craft has been abandoned, it hasn't been for long. The presence of highly corrosive salt water and/or spray will turn it brownish-red in no time at all. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 05:32:00 2009 Received: (qmail 14024 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 03:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 03:31:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA51E182F9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8608E240BC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AD41CD490 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:31:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5319A1CD48E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:31:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 20:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12029 invoked by uid 502); 11 May 2009 03:31:51 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-197-74.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.197.74) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 May 2009 03:31:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4A079C22.6000804@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:31:46 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A07606E.2806.2247B02@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A06CB40.5050606@chucknorcutt.com> <4A06FC4E.5020403@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A06FC4E.5020403@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Autumn in Central Otago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 05:32:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a079c30157122336821329 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Posterization is probably too strong a word. There aren't any strong dividing lines between colors. In those particular images I just don't see as many different tones as I would have expected. Maybe it's my > monitor or my eyes... or both. > I too saw something wrong/off/missing in some of the images. The first one that really struck me was #2. A quick glance shows that 1,2 and 10 are the only images with sizes below 100KB. Size isn't an absolute indicator of compression and data loss, as large areas of low detail , like the skies in 4, 9, 10 & 11, allow smaller files than those with more detail. Looking at file sizes, it appears that different images were JPEG saved at different levels of compression. I wouldn't have used the same descriptions you did, although I'm not sure what I would call the problem. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 06:11:22 2009 Received: (qmail 1540 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 04:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 04:11:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C89EE182F6 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC47FE240A9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43C41CD490 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:11:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E241CD48E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:11:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1242 invoked by uid 502); 11 May 2009 04:11:13 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-197-74.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.197.74) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 May 2009 04:11:13 -0000 Message-ID: <4A07A55C.2060706@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:11:08 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A07606E.2806.2247B02@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4A07606E.2806.2247B02@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Autumn in Central Otago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 06:11:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07a56a211551869477228 Brian Swale wrote: > Hi all, > > I promised to make available some shots taken during my autumn foray into Central Otago, NZ, over the last 3 weeks. > > You may see them here > > For a short while, you may also see them in a mirror with full navigation here. Some lovely images, interesting subjects, good colour and composition. The apples image doesn't seem to me up to the standard of the rest technically. I like the subject a lot and the composition is good, but the rather large area of sky completely blown to white bothers me. It's so far gone that it has taken much of the substance of the stems and leaves silhouetted against it away, as well, leaving mere ghosts. At ISO 100, you should have been able to get away with -1.0 EV to hold the sky, and still had usable shadows. > The shot of espalier apples obstinately refuses to load completely; what you see has the bottom 6% missing. > There's something troublesome or nonstandard going on with your downsizing/saving. I tried tossing them into a Singapore gallery for those who might want to view them with better navigation and/or a dark background. The images showed up OK, but the information and navigation features didn't work. Open and re-save as a batch in PS, and they work fine. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 06:24:23 2009 Received: (qmail 22205 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 04:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 04:24:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B90CE182DA for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005B4E240A9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C1D1CD490 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:24:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7E91CD48E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:24:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7675 invoked by uid 502); 11 May 2009 04:24:16 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-197-74.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.197.74) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 May 2009 04:24:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:24:12 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com> <8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 06:24:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07a877132451234514069 Jim Nichols wrote: > Great kid shots, Moose. Thanks! > I will work on my technique. > Good luck! I don't think I would have managed many of those shots with an E-510. Like hauling a heavy load up a steep hill, sometimes it simply comes down to power/torque. That's not anti Oly or 4/3 in any generic way; there are just a few DSLRs that excel in low light, and the E series are not so far among them. Certain models of Nikon and Canon pretty much own that territory at the moment. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 06:30:19 2009 Received: (qmail 2394 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 04:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 04:30:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853E3E182D9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EB9E240A9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765C21CD492 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:30:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A341CD48E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:30:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4B4U8QE027720 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:30:08 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A07606E.2806.2247B02@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A07A55C.2060706@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:29:59 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Autumn in Central Otago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 06:30:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07a9db156021470116606 I don't know what you have done to the images, at least for #2 the JPEG artifacts is more than the original from Brian's site. I agreed that there are some JPEG artifacts due to compression but in my monitor/eyes I have to look careful to find it out. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > Brian Swale wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I promised to make available some shots taken during my autumn foray into >> Central Otago, NZ, over the last 3 weeks. >> >> You may see them here >> >> > > For a short while, you may also see them in a mirror with full > navigation here. > > > Some lovely images, interesting subjects, good colour and composition. > > The apples image doesn't seem to me up to the standard of the rest > technically. I like the subject a lot and the composition is good, but > the rather large area of sky completely blown to white bothers me. It's > so far gone that it has taken much of the substance of the stems and > leaves silhouetted against it away, as well, leaving mere ghosts. At > ISO 100, you should have been able to get away with -1.0 EV to hold the > sky, and still had usable shadows. > >> The shot of espalier apples obstinately refuses to load completely; what >> you see has the bottom 6% missing. >> > > There's something troublesome or nonstandard going on with your > downsizing/saving. I tried tossing them into a Singapore gallery for > those who might want to view them with better navigation and/or a dark > background. The images showed up OK, but the information and navigation > features didn't work. Open and re-save as a batch in PS, and they work > fine. > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 06:53:44 2009 Received: (qmail 11457 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 04:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 04:53:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3513E182B2 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC965E240A9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F80534AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:53:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCE834AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp01.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp01.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.2]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 31.red-83-33-127.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.33.127.31]:64899 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay01.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.41]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1M3NW4-0002i2-3v (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Mon, 11 May 2009 05:53:28 +0100 Message-Id: <479BBC74-DCC7-4781-A1EE-A1CC4E629201@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Picture a Day discussion group , Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:53:27 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 10/05/2009: beach, the M8 and road rash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 06:53:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07af58168601234514069 We went for a bicycle ride along the beach yesterday. As always on those occasions, the M8 was around my neck with the widest lens I own mounted on it (the 18mm Zeiss), set for f8 and hyperfocal distance. I would photograph while riding. I have done this on several earlier occasions. However, yesterday I discovered a couple of things: - when you brake hard with just the left hand on the handlebar, the results are not good ;-) - the M8 is as sturdy as earlier M cameras (I did protect it when going down, but the baseplate hit the bicycle and the ground, albeit not that hard) - road rash hurts but is curable with single malt http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#533527099_VbMuz-O-LB When we came home, I put the 75mm on the M8, set it at f2.5 and took some close-ups of my medicine cabinet (aka the rack of single malts in our living room) to make sure the rangefinder was not knocked out of alignment. It was fine. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 07:30:04 2009 Received: (qmail 7346 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 05:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 05:30:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14F5E1822D for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A824E240A9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DA334AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:29:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6296F34AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:29:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB1E46161A for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:51:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <76C72B27-F45F-4352-B275-64BE083D7F97@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <479BBC74-DCC7-4781-A1EE-A1CC4E629201@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:29:54 +0100 References: <479BBC74-DCC7-4781-A1EE-A1CC4E629201@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 10/05/2009: beach, the M8 and road rash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 07:30:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07b7dc1961591313764 Bad luck, Nathan. I'm glad all is OK, though ... Chris On 11 May 2009, at 05:53, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > - when you brake hard with just the left hand on the handlebar, the > results are not good ;-) > - the M8 is as sturdy as earlier M cameras (I did protect it when > going down, but the baseplate hit the bicycle and the ground, albeit > not that hard) > - road rash hurts but is curable with single malt > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#533527099_VbMuz-O-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 07:31:26 2009 Received: (qmail 17785 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 05:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 05:31:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5939E182DB for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79436E240A9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609F534AC025 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E3834AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511C046161A for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:53:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <43393064-C691-400C-9BE5-738139D9C659@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A075403.9060608@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:31:18 +0100 References: <4A075403.9060608@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Playing at 21mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 07:31:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07b82e266281591313764 They're very evocative images, Moose. Thanks. Chris On 10 May 2009, at 23:24, Moose wrote: >> http://www.bwp33.com/page15/page15.html >> > > > How fun, LOL! I have roughly equivalent shots of the same beast in the > same place, but taken during a very foggy day. As they are taken with > ~60 mm eq. FOV, they provide a counterpoint to yours. > > Landing Craft Resupply Cargo 1 > > > Landing Craft Resupply Cargo 2 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 07:46:19 2009 Received: (qmail 19520 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 05:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 05:46:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A393FE182E4 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94582E240A9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC3C1CD490 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:46:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E8A1CD48E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:46:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 22:46:12 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4B5k8lJ003146 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 05:46:10 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com><8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols> <4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 00:46:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 07:46:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07bbab280761499373980 Moose, Thanks for the comments. I will attach a link to one shot of the scene with which I was faced. I think a manually-focused lens, used with zone focusing, would have done a better job. I will have to wait until I face the challenge again to see if I am correct. The E-510 is a capable instrument if it is given the right tools to work with. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Four-Generation+Christmas.tif.html Best viewed large. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Great kid shots, Moose. > > Thanks! > >> I will work on my technique. >> > > Good luck! > > I don't think I would have managed many of those shots with an E-510. > Like hauling a heavy load up a steep hill, sometimes it simply comes > down to power/torque. That's not anti Oly or 4/3 in any generic way; > there are just a few DSLRs that excel in low light, and the E series are > not so far among them. Certain models of Nikon and Canon pretty much own > that territory at the moment. > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 08:16:27 2009 Received: (qmail 27353 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 06:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 06:16:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F076E182F5 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55A6E240A9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA84034AC026 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:16:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1FC34AC025 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:16:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4B6GGS0018662 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:16:17 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com><8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols><4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:15:58 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 08:16:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07c2bb188589117217770 I believe E-510 is a capable camera, I had the E-520, I was happy with the ISO performance and color but the AF problem and small viewfinder turn me away. Generally, Olympus digital has better color out of the shot, many people here choose it because of that reason but the color of your Christmas shot seems a bit off on my monitor, see if you like this one better: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Four-Generation_Christmas-a.jpg C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" > Moose, > > Thanks for the comments. I will attach a link to one shot of the scene > with > which I was faced. I think a manually-focused lens, used with zone > focusing, would have done a better job. I will have to wait until I face > the challenge again to see if I am correct. The E-510 is a capable > instrument if it is given the right tools to work with. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Four-Generation+Christmas.tif.html > Best viewed large. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> Great kid shots, Moose. >> >> Thanks! >> >>> I will work on my technique. >>> >> >> Good luck! >> >> I don't think I would have managed many of those shots with an E-510. >> Like hauling a heavy load up a steep hill, sometimes it simply comes >> down to power/torque. That's not anti Oly or 4/3 in any generic way; >> there are just a few DSLRs that excel in low light, and the E series are >> not so far among them. Certain models of Nikon and Canon pretty much own >> that territory at the moment. >> >> Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 08:25:28 2009 Received: (qmail 31282 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 06:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 06:25:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688E8E182EE for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92253E240A9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFBE1CD492 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:25:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA601CD48E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:25:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:25:21 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4B6PHW1003217 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:25:19 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com><8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols><4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 01:25:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 08:25:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07c4d858882336821329 C.H., Thanks. Your colors are more vivid than my image, but the image is too dark on my screen. I have tried to improve my image presentations in the four months since I posted that, so I could probably do better now. Thanks for your interest. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >I believe E-510 is a capable camera, I had the E-520, I was happy with > the ISO performance and color but the AF problem and small viewfinder turn > me away. Generally, Olympus digital has better color out of the shot, many > people here choose it because of that reason but the color of your > Christmas shot seems a bit off on my monitor, see if you like this > one better: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Four-Generation_Christmas-a.jpg > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > >> Moose, >> >> Thanks for the comments. I will attach a link to one shot of the scene >> with >> which I was faced. I think a manually-focused lens, used with zone >> focusing, would have done a better job. I will have to wait until I face >> the challenge again to see if I am correct. The E-510 is a capable >> instrument if it is given the right tools to work with. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Four-Generation+Christmas.tif.html >> Best viewed large. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Moose" >> >>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> Great kid shots, Moose. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>>> I will work on my technique. >>>> >>> >>> Good luck! >>> >>> I don't think I would have managed many of those shots with an E-510. >>> Like hauling a heavy load up a steep hill, sometimes it simply comes >>> down to power/torque. That's not anti Oly or 4/3 in any generic way; >>> there are just a few DSLRs that excel in low light, and the E series are >>> not so far among them. Certain models of Nikon and Canon pretty much own >>> that territory at the moment. >>> >>> Moose > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 08:36:55 2009 Received: (qmail 25795 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 06:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 06:36:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450D9E182DC for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170D7E240A9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0150C1CD492 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:36:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFCD1CD48E for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:36:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:36:48 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4B6ai57002474 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:36:46 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com><8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols><4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 01:37:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 08:36:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07c787213231823421471 C.H., As an added note, perhaps the reason that the E-510 finder does not bother me is that I have never handled an OM of any sort. I have read many reports of the fine characteristics of the OM finders. My SLR experience stems from the use of Exactas, Pentaxes, and currently, a Fujica, so the transition to the 510 was no problem for me, except for the transparency of the screen, which is quite different from the frosted appearance and focusing aids of the SLRs. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >I believe E-510 is a capable camera, I had the E-520, I was happy with > the ISO performance and color but the AF problem and small viewfinder turn > me away. Generally, Olympus digital has better color out of the shot, many > people here choose it because of that reason but the color of your > Christmas shot seems a bit off on my monitor, see if you like this > one better: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Four-Generation_Christmas-a.jpg > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > >> Moose, >> >> Thanks for the comments. I will attach a link to one shot of the scene >> with >> which I was faced. I think a manually-focused lens, used with zone >> focusing, would have done a better job. I will have to wait until I face >> the challenge again to see if I am correct. The E-510 is a capable >> instrument if it is given the right tools to work with. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Four-Generation+Christmas.tif.html >> Best viewed large. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Moose" >> >>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> Great kid shots, Moose. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>>> I will work on my technique. >>>> >>> >>> Good luck! >>> >>> I don't think I would have managed many of those shots with an E-510. >>> Like hauling a heavy load up a steep hill, sometimes it simply comes >>> down to power/torque. That's not anti Oly or 4/3 in any generic way; >>> there are just a few DSLRs that excel in low light, and the E series are >>> not so far among them. Certain models of Nikon and Canon pretty much own >>> that territory at the moment. >>> >>> Moose > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 08:53:02 2009 Received: (qmail 18618 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 06:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 06:53:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8566FE182B1 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CDDE240A9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244E934AC025 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:52:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3586534AC023 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:52:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4B6qsXP025718 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:52:55 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com><8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols><4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:52:47 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 08:53:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07cb4e174311946193717 Actually part of the focusing problem is due to my aged eyes, I belive I had do much better ten years ago. Now I need a really good big finder like the one in OMs. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" > C.H., > > As an added note, perhaps the reason that the E-510 finder does not bother > me is that I have never handled an OM of any sort. I have read many > reports > of the fine characteristics of the OM finders. My SLR experience stems > from > the use of Exactas, Pentaxes, and currently, a Fujica, so the transition > to > the 510 was no problem for me, except for the transparency of the screen, > which is quite different from the frosted appearance and focusing aids of > the SLRs. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C.H.Ling" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:15 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > >>I believe E-510 is a capable camera, I had the E-520, I was happy with >> the ISO performance and color but the AF problem and small viewfinder >> turn >> me away. Generally, Olympus digital has better color out of the shot, >> many >> people here choose it because of that reason but the color of your >> Christmas shot seems a bit off on my monitor, see if you like this >> one better: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Four-Generation_Christmas-a.jpg >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Nichols" >> >>> Moose, >>> >>> Thanks for the comments. I will attach a link to one shot of the scene >>> with >>> which I was faced. I think a manually-focused lens, used with zone >>> focusing, would have done a better job. I will have to wait until I >>> face >>> the challenge again to see if I am correct. The E-510 is a capable >>> instrument if it is given the right tools to work with. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Four-Generation+Christmas.tif.html >>> Best viewed large. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Moose" >>> >>>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>>> Great kid shots, Moose. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>>> I will work on my technique. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Good luck! >>>> >>>> I don't think I would have managed many of those shots with an E-510. >>>> Like hauling a heavy load up a steep hill, sometimes it simply comes >>>> down to power/torque. That's not anti Oly or 4/3 in any generic way; >>>> there are just a few DSLRs that excel in low light, and the E series >>>> are >>>> not so far among them. Certain models of Nikon and Canon pretty much >>>> own >>>> that territory at the moment. >>>> >>>> Moose >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 08:53:42 2009 Received: (qmail 11447 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 06:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 06:53:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A62E182F1 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAC5E240A9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CA534AC026 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:53:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE023610001 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.88]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4B6rQSm021297 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 16:53:26 +1000 Message-Id: <200905110653.n4B6rQSm021297@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 11 May 2009 16:53:26 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:53:26 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Non OM; another photographer's site X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 08:53:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07cb7675397927319144 Good images, but the site itself is a right PITA as far as loading time and the really quirky UI. ...Wayne > Ian Manners <> wrote: > > > http://www.floranova.com.au/index3.htm > > So how do I get past the flash ? This is the sort of rubbish > Intervision Australia do when they make websites. > > Ohh, it is an Australian website. > > Not all of us use Windows or Mac :-) > Guess I'll have to look at it later on my wifes Mac. > Be nice if Abode could open up the code for Flash for other platforms. > > Grrrrippp finished. > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.comkal.net/ > > Borrow money from a pessimist - they don't expect it back. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 08:57:23 2009 Received: (qmail 17905 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 06:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 06:57:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2452E182B4 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B4CE240A9 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E625734AC024 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:57:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C30534AC026 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:57:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 23:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.88]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4B6vFUi024436 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 16:57:15 +1000 Message-Id: <200905110657.n4B6vFUi024436@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 11 May 2009 16:57:15 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:57:15 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Autumn in Central Otago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 08:57:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07cc53161157927319144 Did you mean the shadows on some distant hills ? I thought they looked a bit posterised initially but I think it's just the nature of the colour and the lighting. ...Wayne > Chuck Norcutt <> wrote: > > Posterization is probably too strong a word. There aren't any strong > dividing lines between colors. In those particular images I just don't > see as many different tones as I would have expected. Maybe it's my > monitor or my eyes... or both. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 09:12:43 2009 Received: (qmail 18069 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 07:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 07:12:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F64AE18229 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B79E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3035034AC026 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:12:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8482634AC024 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:12:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.239]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4B7Caif031752 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:12:36 +1000 Message-Id: <200905110712.n4B7Caif031752@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 11 May 2009 17:12:36 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:12:36 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Playing at 21mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 09:12:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07cfeb325111234514069 > Bob Whitmire <> wrote: > > A coupe of people have apparently > had it speak to them as well. I think I've sold 2 16x20s in two years. > Good when it speaks to them and they hear "buy me" ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 09:15:07 2009 Received: (qmail 8214 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 07:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 07:15:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F7EE180B8 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F44E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC07734AC024 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:15:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9C834AC023 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:14:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 00:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4B7EwKt000421 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 15:14:58 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com><8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols><4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:14:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 09:15:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07d07b91631823421471 I'm really curious for the one who see image darker, my reference is the grey bar on dpreview, can you identify the darkest two blocks? http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse30/ C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" > C.H., > > Thanks. Your colors are more vivid than my image, but the image is too > dark > on my screen. I have tried to improve my image presentations in the four > months since I posted that, so I could probably do better now. > > Thanks for your interest. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C.H.Ling" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:15 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > >>I believe E-510 is a capable camera, I had the E-520, I was happy with >> the ISO performance and color but the AF problem and small viewfinder >> turn >> me away. Generally, Olympus digital has better color out of the shot, >> many >> people here choose it because of that reason but the color of your >> Christmas shot seems a bit off on my monitor, see if you like this >> one better: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Four-Generation_Christmas-a.jpg >> >> C.H.Ling >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 10:02:19 2009 Received: (qmail 19947 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 08:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 08:02:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B1BE181B2 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB74E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D104219DBCC for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:02:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A7F19DBBD for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:02:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7856) for ; 11 May 2009 18:02:09 +1000 Message-ID: <100.a003020080db074a.001@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:02:08 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <200905110653.n4B6rQSm021297@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200905110653.n4B6rQSm021297@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.04 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.04.56.1360) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Non OM; another photographer's site X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 10:02:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07db8b155761744846740 Hi Wayne, > Good images, but the site itself is a right PITA as far as loading time and the really quirky UI. > > So how do I get past the flash ? This is the sort of rubbish > > Intervision Australia do when they make websites. And I've found out that Intervision did do the website, you know I do to much network development when I can pick them :-) Still, yes, they are nice images. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 10:45:50 2009 Received: (qmail 14745 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 08:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 08:45:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B80BE182F1 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09926E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E594519DC7F for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:45:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 required=7 tests=[SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA0519DCB0 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:45:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-ew0-f170.google.com (mail-ew0-f170.google.com [209.85.219.170]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so3274649ewy.14 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.7.141 with SMTP id 13mr3091239wep.24.1242031541015; Mon, 11 May 2009 01:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from your2e887a6151 (230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa [81.187.26.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm1328224eyd.32.2009.05.11.01.45.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 11 May 2009 01:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <20090510132930.CLJ68479@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> In-Reply-To: <20090510132930.CLJ68479@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:45:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4a07e5b4.0a04d00a.13da.2bed@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnRlOaKDiqgoECLS3+oTNcXWB8kMgAf9U0w Content-Language: en-gb Subject: Re: [OM] Missing digests? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 10:45:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07e5bd155341702588592 Can't say if you are alone in not getting them, Larry, or I am alone in getting them, but you should have them now. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Woods [mailto:lmwoods@rcn.com] Sent: 10 May 2009 18:30 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] Missing digests? It's been a while since people were so verbose, but we've had a few days recently where the listserver decided to send out a digest before its normal daily feed. In those cases, it still sends out its scheduled digest at around 06:00 with whatever arrived after the extra digest went out. The last couple of days I did not get the early digest, but got the truncated 06:00 daily digest. Am I alone in this? This is what I have in my inbox and trash folder at the moment. I may have outright deleted some stuff before noting a problem, but I definitely did not get issue 7.13 or 7.10. Vol 7, Issue 14 May 10, 2009 06:16 6k Vol 7, Issue 11 May 08, 2009 06:17 17k Vol 7, Issue 9 May 07, 2009 06:16 9k Vol 7, Issue 8 May 07, 2009 04:23 121k ----- Larry Woods lmwoods@rcn.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 11:19:28 2009 Received: (qmail 19572 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 09:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 09:19:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DEFE182E8 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 02:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AEEE240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 02:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0899F34AC024 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 02:19:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F2C34AC023 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 02:19:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sandyinchina@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f103.google.com (mail-qy0-f103.google.com [209.85.221.103]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 02:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1so3901766qyk.22 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 02:19:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.81.136 with SMTP id x8mr609400qck.95.1242033557152; Mon, 11 May 2009 02:19:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com> <4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com> <9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com> <4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840905071109g4c043bfai6ca9c44dd9f33c31@mail.gmail.com> <4A032578.1080905@rogers.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:19:17 +0800 Message-ID: From: Sandy Harris To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 11:19:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a07eda030243675314703 On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:07 AM, John Hudson wrote: > That also happens to be the biggest cross US / Canada border cigarette > smuggling route on the map ! > > Aren't both side of the border at that point adjoining Indian reserves ? Yes, it is the same tribe (Mohawk, part of the Six Nations or Iroquois). They've been "smuggling" for some time. My dad was the only cop on the Canadian part of that reserve back during the US experiment with prohibition. He busted plenty of Indians, and white farm boys with rowboats. Never managed to get the big bosses, though. Those guys founded major businesses in Toronto or Montreal; their descendants are among Canada's most respectable families. Is it smuggling? My understanding is that the treaty they signed when they gave up their land makes them completely immune to that border. If an Indian comes through customs driving a semi, the customs officer simply does not have the right to look inside. The treaty says Mohawks can ignore the border. Period. Of course neither the US nor the Canadian gov't is happy with that interpretation. On the Canadian side, the Ontario provincial gov't bitches about "smuggling" when Indians bring in cigarettes and do not pay provincial taxes on them. Not sure if NY state does the same. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 13:14:48 2009 Received: (qmail 4577 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 11:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 11:14:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B9AE182F8 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B5FE240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113CE34AC027 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:14:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B9134AC025 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:14:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12399 invoked by uid 504); 11 May 2009 11:14:39 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-149.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.149) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 May 2009 11:14:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4A08089D.2090802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 07:14:37 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200905110657.n4B6vFUi024436@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200905110657.n4B6vFUi024436@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090510-0, 05/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Autumn in Central Otago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 13:14:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0808a8201961591313764 That in a couple of frames and especially the water in #2. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > Did you mean the shadows on some distant hills ? > > I thought they looked a bit posterised initially but I think it's just the nature of the colour and the lighting. > > ...Wayne > > >> Chuck Norcutt <> wrote: >> >> Posterization is probably too strong a word. There aren't any strong >> dividing lines between colors. In those particular images I just don't >> see as many different tones as I would have expected. Maybe it's my >> monitor or my eyes... or both. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 13:22:58 2009 Received: (qmail 7825 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 11:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 11:22:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F126E182F3 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70672E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2993B34AC024 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:22:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9378E34AC023 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:22:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-web10-z01 ([10.127.132.101]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090511112250822.DZVJ23251@cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 11 May 2009 11:22:50 +0000 Received: from 76.179.72.31 by webmail.roadrunner.com; Mon, 11 May 2009 11:22:50 +0000 Message-ID: <20090511112250.A4928.506246.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 7:22:50 -0400 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A075403.9060608@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Cc: Moose Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Playing at 21mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 13:22:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a080a92223611342116753 ---- Moose wrote: > How fun, LOL! I have roughly equivalent shots of the same beast in the > same place, but taken during a very foggy day. As they are taken with > ~60 mm eq. FOV, they provide a counterpoint to yours. > > Landing Craft Resupply Cargo 1 > > Landing Craft Resupply Cargo 2 > Damn. Same place. I'm planning a trip back in the near future. I'll find someone to interrogate (no enhanced interrogation techniques) about the use of this thing. Your pictures have an orange thingie next to the pilot house that wasn't there Sunday morning. > Not knowing its proper name, I called it the Sea Truck. I still sort of > like that. :-) The Power of Google. I typed landing craft into the blank and wandered through the choices. It took about two minutes to find the proper craft. It's from the late 50s and 60s, according to what I read. The smallest iteration of the craft, much smaller than the beast at Port Clyde, is usually found in cities on rivers where they serve what's called Duck Boat Tours. You may have encountered these little bits of tourist paradise in Boston, or maybe they have them in San Francisco. > Is the Dip Net Restaurant still there? We were quite impressed with the > quality of the food in a simple lunch out on the deck in the fog. > Still there. Not open yet. Things are moving in that direction, but not quite there yet. It's still damp and cold up here. Though for Mother's Day I took Esteemed Wife to The Anchor Inn in Round Pond, which opened last Friday. It's where you and I and Carole met for a beer. And Shaw's Fish & Lobster Wharf in New Harbor opened last week, so warm weather can't be too far behind. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 13:28:44 2009 Received: (qmail 2282 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 11:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 11:28:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B69CE182F0 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA090E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9302519E140 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:28:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C39C19E13D for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:28:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (listadr@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f220.google.com (mail-gx0-f220.google.com [209.85.217.220]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so5896034gxk.14 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.65.5 with SMTP id n5mr6108462aga.11.1242041317177; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (pool-71-185-1-222.phlapa.east.verizon.net [71.185.1.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm6924576agb.71.2009.05.11.04.28.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 11 May 2009 04:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 07:28:29 -0400 From: Jim Loudon To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <20090510132930.CLJ68479@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Message-ID: References: <20090510132930.CLJ68479@ms12.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Organization: Not Applicable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Missing digests? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 13:28:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a080bec170281591313764 I have these: May 3 (77K) olympus Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 May 4 (98K) olympus Digest, Vol 7, Issue 4 May 5 (156K) olympus Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 May 5 (170K) olympus Digest, Vol 7, Issue 6 May 6 (35K) olympus Digest, Vol 7, Issue 7 May 7 (155K) olympus Digest, Vol 7, Issue 8 May 7 (12K) olympus Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9 May 7 (177K) olympus Digest, Vol 7, Issue 10 May 8 (21K) olympus Digest, Vol 7, Issue 11 May 9 (155K) olympus Digest, Vol 7, Issue 12 May 10 (172K) olympus Digest, Vol 7, Issue 13 May 10 (6904) olympus Digest, Vol 7, Issue 14 May 11 (89K) olympus Digest, Vol 7, Issue 15 It appears I have no missing digests. It also appears my mailbox could use some housekeeping :-) jim -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 13:32:34 2009 Received: (qmail 20190 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 11:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 11:32:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF9CE182E4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AA2E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AD034AC028 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:32:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819ED34AC027 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:32:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 04:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-web10-z01 ([10.127.132.101]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090511113228889.PEA6801@cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 11 May 2009 11:32:28 +0000 Received: from 76.179.72.31 by webmail.roadrunner.com; Mon, 11 May 2009 11:32:28 +0000 Message-ID: <20090511113228.Q5HQN.506324.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 7:32:28 -0400 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <479BBC74-DCC7-4781-A1EE-A1CC4E629201@frozenlight.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Cc: Nathan Wajsman Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 10/05/2009: beach, the M8 and road rash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 13:32:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a080cd2285831993019900 ---- Nathan Wajsman wrote: > - when you brake hard with just the left hand on the handlebar, the > results are not good ;-) > - the M8 is as sturdy as earlier M cameras (I did protect it when > going down, but the baseplate hit the bicycle and the ground, albeit > not that hard) > - road rash hurts but is curable with single malt Jeez, Nathan, be careful! We'd hate for anything bad to happen to that M8. --Bob -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 14:53:37 2009 Received: (qmail 23798 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 12:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 12:53:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A62CE182F0 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 05:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C212E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 05:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D5E34AC025 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 05:53:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3170034AC024 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 05:53:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (martin.walters@nrcan-rncan.gc.ca whitelisted) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 05:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 11 May 2009 08:53:27 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:53:26 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Trip to Canada in June Thread-Index: AcnSGZXY3d0r45X6SjCGxhG1dt5DBgAHZQog References: <9f07ac840905060826x1252d775m9817b3019c3e3b95@mail.gmail.com><6.2.5.6.1.20090506123200.01f00538@erols.com><4A023E29.4080706@rogers.com><9f07ac840905070829n74530ad7h810505999708ce16@mail.gmail.com><4A031884.5000504@chucknorcutt.com><9f07ac840905071109g4c043bfai6ca9c44dd9f33c31@mail.gmail.com><4A032578.1080905@rogers.com> From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2009 12:53:27.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A4B4FC0:01C9D237] Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 14:53:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a081fd1288542046811720 I believe the real issue with the "smuggling" is that the goods are sold to non-residents (of the reserve) without tax, rather than being used for their own purposes. Martin -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Harris [mailto:sandyinchina@gmail.com] Sent: May 11, 2009 05:19 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:07 AM, John Hudson wrote: > That also happens to be the biggest cross US / Canada border cigarette > smuggling route on the map ! > > Aren't both side of the border at that point adjoining Indian reserves ? Yes, it is the same tribe (Mohawk, part of the Six Nations or Iroquois). They've been "smuggling" for some time. My dad was the only cop on the Canadian part of that reserve back during the US experiment with prohibition. He busted plenty of Indians, and white farm boys with rowboats. Never managed to get the big bosses, though. Those guys founded major businesses in Toronto or Montreal; their descendants are among Canada's most respectable families. Is it smuggling? My understanding is that the treaty they signed when they gave up their land makes them completely immune to that border. If an Indian comes through customs driving a semi, the customs officer simply does not have the right to look inside. The treaty says Mohawks can ignore the border. Period. Of course neither the US nor the Canadian gov't is happy with that interpretation. On the Canadian side, the Ontario provincial gov't bitches about "smuggling" when Indians bring in cigarettes and do not pay provincial taxes on them. Not sure if NY state does the same. -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 15:09:01 2009 Received: (qmail 22674 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 13:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 13:09:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC196E18229 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59B2E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE65A34AC023 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:08:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9D334AC024 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:08:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.223] (223.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.223]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8726C3DA1F8 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 01:08:49 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 01:08:48 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A08CC20.10784.1AAC953@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090510-0, 10/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Autumn in Central Otago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 15:09:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a08236d289201744846740 Hi all, Thanks for your comments, and thank you Moose for the alternative display. OK; I think I used Irfanview for the resizing, and almost certainly used its capability to alter (reduce in this case) the file sizes so they were just not too big. Probably saved at 75% for the 900 pixel reductions. Irfanview sharpen which I used at least once on every image can sometimes go over the top. Yes, I agree about what colour space, and my photofinisher told me last time I was in there that I should convert my jpegs out of Adobe rgb. Irfanview seems to use the Adobe version. I agree that the apple shot is somewhat horrid, and not sharp either. It was shot right into the sun. After about 10 attempts I did FINALLY get the whole file uploaded. In my opinion, the sharpness of the grapes leaves quite a bit to be desired. All shots but one were taken with the 510; sometimes on tripod, sometimes not. Thanks Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 15:12:19 2009 Received: (qmail 23540 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 13:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 13:12:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0101EE182E5 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0838EE240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B249534AC025 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:12:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DA534AC023 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:12:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.206.229]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJH00EJRDZV7MSA@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:11:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A082423.903@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:12:03 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <984958449.6407801241926791152.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-reply-to: <984958449.6407801241926791152.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 15:12:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a082433288871946193717 Of the last 2 50/1.8 made, one is marked "Japan", the other "made in japan". MIJ version is the more desireable one. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html JTimpe@comcast.net wrote: > Made in Japan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 8:07:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > Hi Wayne, > > Thanks for the info. What does MIJ mean? I'm not up to date on all of the > shorthand. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Harridge" > To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > >> Just pick up a Zuiko 50/1.8 MIJ and OM adapter, $50 total. I doubt you >> would be able to tell the difference from a Summicron in any practical >> way, >> there is however a significant psychological effect in using Leica glass >> though ! (mind over matter) >> >> ...Wayne >> >> Wayne Harridge >> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jim Nichols [] >>> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 9:35 AM >>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >>> >>> Hi Ken, >>> >>> For a few days, I have tried a Takumar 1.8/55mm instead of the Leica-R >>> 2.8/28 that I use most of the time. I was amazed at the improved >>> focusing >>> using the longer lens, even on the E-510 viewfinder. I think both the >>> shallower DOF and the increased max aperture both come into play here. >>> I >>> have been trying to decide whether or not to spend the money for a used >>> Leica-R Summicron 2.0/50. For a lot of the photos that I take, it would >>> work >>> fine. I realize that there are OM lenses that would probably do as >>> well, but >>> I grew up using Leica glass and have an appreciation of it that is hard >>> to >>> break. >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 15:14:12 2009 Received: (qmail 28434 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 13:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 13:14:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E73E182F3 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD3CE240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76F834AC028 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:14:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE1134AC029 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:14:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.206.229]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJH00DEZE323AP6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:13:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A082496.3000003@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:13:58 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <984958449.6407801241926791152.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <83664AD25E1442828BF8E43614872C67@jimnichols> <088A6D5D332E4ECF933C6D36BE49EB41@MAIN> <004b01c9d131$8b68e580$a23ab080$@com.au> In-reply-to: <004b01c9d131$8b68e580$a23ab080$@com.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 15:14:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0824a4296751823421471 The MIJ version seems to be less susceptible to oil on the blades (or there are fewer in circulation). ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Wayne Harridge wrote: > Yeah, forgot to mention that. Thought to be the best optically, though > mechanically maybe not, I think some suffered from oily/sticky diaphragms. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: C.H.Ling [] >> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 2:49 PM >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> To make it clear, all 50/1.8s are made in Japan. The MIJ 50/1.8 refer >> to the >> latest version with Made In Japan printed on the front lens locking >> ring. >> Peoples believe it is the best version. >> >> C.H.Ling >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 15:19:47 2009 Received: (qmail 18310 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 13:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 13:19:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764D9E182CB for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6693E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993B734AC024 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:19:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3960134AC023 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:19:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.206.229]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KJH006COECJDDTR@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:19:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A0825EB.2030604@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:19:39 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <100.28c90e00609e064a.014@comkal.net> <4A06C4E2.40001@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4A06C4E2.40001@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] They try so hard X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 15:19:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0825f3319671234514069 and rotten foam all over the edges of the back cover.....nice! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > He hasn't even bothered to clean the dust off. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Ian Manners wrote: >> eboy item 120418007587 >> >> Must remember this persons wording when I next sell >> on the bay :o) >> >> Cheers >> Ian Manners >> http://www.comkal.net/ >> >> "Some would sooner die than think. In fact, they often do." -- Bertrand Russell -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 15:23:52 2009 Received: (qmail 4260 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 13:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 13:23:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA90E182DD for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD70E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416F019E49E for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:23:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A7319E4A2 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:23:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4BDNclM012617 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 21:23:38 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A08CC20.10784.1AAC953@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:23:30 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Autumn in Central Otago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 15:23:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0826e848761499373980 I also use Irfanview for resize but my JPEG setting is 90%, 75% seems a bit low, I understand you have a slow internet connection but to show proper image quality you have to use less compression. Don't know about what exactly your photofinisher required but for web dispaly it is better to use sRGB. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Swale" > Hi all, > > Thanks for your comments, and thank you Moose for the alternative display. > > OK; I think I used Irfanview for the resizing, and almost certainly used > its > capability to alter (reduce in this case) the file sizes so they were just > not too > big. Probably saved at 75% for the 900 pixel reductions. > > Irfanview sharpen which I used at least once on every image can sometimes > go over the top. > > Yes, I agree about what colour space, and my photofinisher told me last > time I was in there that I should convert my jpegs out of Adobe rgb. > Irfanview seems to use the Adobe version. > > I agree that the apple shot is somewhat horrid, and not sharp either. It > was > shot right into the sun. After about 10 attempts I did FINALLY get the > whole > file uploaded. > > In my opinion, the sharpness of the grapes leaves quite a bit to be > desired. > > All shots but one were taken with the 510; sometimes on tripod, sometimes > not. > > Thanks > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 15:26:32 2009 Received: (qmail 13750 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 13:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 13:26:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF87E182D1 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED079E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C2E34AC025 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:26:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEC334AC028 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:26:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.223] (223.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.223]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126943DA1C8 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 01:26:24 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 01:26:24 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A08D040.17752.1BAE568@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090510-0, 10/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Web-page sizes and download times X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 15:26:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a082788163271993019900 Mike wrote > > Seems like no matter how fast your connection people will push enough crap > at you to slow it down. Just "Because it's there" shouldn't be a good > enough reason. I think Adblock is essential for anyone with a slow > connection. People who design websites should be mandated by law to use > Pentium II computers with 128mb of RAM on dialup. I like it !! Broadband is available in the cities here and to a limited extent in rural areas, but I'm just not prepared to pay the significant extra for it yet. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 15:40:48 2009 Received: (qmail 6269 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 13:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 13:40:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBF2E182B4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B34E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E963319E5A8 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:40:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940A519E5AF for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:40:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 06:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.223] (223.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.223]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C36F3DA186; Tue, 12 May 2009 01:40:41 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net, olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 01:40:40 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A08D398.27134.1C7F74B@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090510-0, 10/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] (OT) Playing at 21mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 15:40:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a082adf322942070262475 Bob Whitmire wrote: > Went out this morning with the (relatively) new Zeiss 21mm 2.8. Found an old Landing Craft Resupply Cargo (LARC) at Port Clyde and took a couple of snaps. One color, one black and white. In the color shot, you can gauge the scale of the ship by the size of the pilot house at the stern, and by the fact the tires (tyres) are better than six feet tall. The torpedo shaped gizmo in the foreground, which I cannot identify, is _very_ lo Great shots Bob. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 16:36:10 2009 Received: (qmail 30487 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 14:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 14:36:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FC2E182B3 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 07:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5F0E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 07:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC5319E78F for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 07:36:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A607919E78C for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 07:36:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 07:36:01 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4BEZvAO008407 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:36:00 GMT Message-ID: <3E7A9FBDFAC54B8BB4D36B0A14E82D08@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com><8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols><4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:36:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 16:36:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0837da9822046811720 C.H., I am just out of bed, and my old eyes take a while to get adjusted to the light. I can barely see the difference in the last two blocks. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > I'm really curious for the one who see image darker, my reference is the > grey bar on dpreview, can you identify the darkest two blocks? > > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse30/ > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > >> C.H., >> >> Thanks. Your colors are more vivid than my image, but the image is too >> dark >> on my screen. I have tried to improve my image presentations in the four >> months since I posted that, so I could probably do better now. >> >> Thanks for your interest. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C.H.Ling" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> >>>I believe E-510 is a capable camera, I had the E-520, I was happy with >>> the ISO performance and color but the AF problem and small viewfinder >>> turn >>> me away. Generally, Olympus digital has better color out of the shot, >>> many >>> people here choose it because of that reason but the color of your >>> Christmas shot seems a bit off on my monitor, see if you like this >>> one better: >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Four-Generation_Christmas-a.jpg >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 17:29:08 2009 Received: (qmail 11833 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 15:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 15:29:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA79E182B1 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FE9E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9468419E8CE for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:29:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA1319E8C1 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:29:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp05.online.nl (smtp05.online.nl [194.134.41.35]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp05.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp05.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D16452378 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:28:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailstore06.back.prod.mail.online.nl (mailstore06.back.prod.mail.online.nl [10.160.210.106]) by smtp05.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:28:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:28:59 +0200 (CEST) From: wiliam Wagenaar To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <1881648389.3603991242055739325.JavaMail.root@mailstore06> In-Reply-To: <479BBC74-DCC7-4781-A1EE-A1CC4E629201@frozenlight.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [10.160.210.125] X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp05.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 10/05/2009: beach, the M8 and road rash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 17:29:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a084444324311257536491 Oops, Sorry to hear about your little accident. Good to hear the M8 is OK and you were also after some single malt. I guess the lady in the picture had a good view on your fall ;-) Wiliam ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Nathan Wajsman" Aan: "Picture a Day discussion group" , "Leica Users Group" , leica@freelists.org, "Olympus Camera Discussion" Verzonden: Maandag 11 mei 2009 06:53:27 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlijn / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Wenen Onderwerp: [OM] Nathan's PAD 10/05/2009: beach, the M8 and road rash We went for a bicycle ride along the beach yesterday. As always on those occasions, the M8 was around my neck with the widest lens I own mounted on it (the 18mm Zeiss), set for f8 and hyperfocal distance. I would photograph while riding. I have done this on several earlier occasions. However, yesterday I discovered a couple of things: - when you brake hard with just the left hand on the handlebar, the results are not good ;-) - the M8 is as sturdy as earlier M cameras (I did protect it when going down, but the baseplate hit the bicycle and the ground, albeit not that hard) - road rash hurts but is curable with single malt http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#533527099_VbMuz-O-LB When we came home, I put the 75mm on the M8, set it at f2.5 and took some close-ups of my medicine cabinet (aka the rack of single malts in our living room) to make sure the rangefinder was not knocked out of alignment. It was fine. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 17:38:24 2009 Received: (qmail 8809 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 15:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 15:38:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC212E182C7 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DB4E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B1219E91C for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:38:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9423319E927 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:38:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4BFc3Ni007147 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 23:38:04 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <4ACD4AD8AB5444B886D3BB8AFFF4B794@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com><8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols><4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com> <3E7A9FBDFAC54B8BB4D36B0A14E82D08@jimnichols> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:37:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 17:38:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a084670294371234514069 It is ok, then I have no idea why my image look dark on your monitor. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" > C.H., > > I am just out of bed, and my old eyes take a while to get adjusted to the > light. I can barely see the difference in the last two blocks. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C.H.Ling" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:14 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > >> I'm really curious for the one who see image darker, my reference is the >> grey bar on dpreview, can you identify the darkest two blocks? >> >> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse30/ >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Nichols" >> >>> C.H., >>> >>> Thanks. Your colors are more vivid than my image, but the image is too >>> dark >>> on my screen. I have tried to improve my image presentations in the >>> four >>> months since I posted that, so I could probably do better now. >>> >>> Thanks for your interest. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "C.H.Ling" >>> >>> >>>>I believe E-510 is a capable camera, I had the E-520, I was happy with >>>> the ISO performance and color but the AF problem and small viewfinder >>>> turn >>>> me away. Generally, Olympus digital has better color out of the shot, >>>> many >>>> people here choose it because of that reason but the color of your >>>> Christmas shot seems a bit off on my monitor, see if you like this >>>> one better: >>>> >>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Four-Generation_Christmas-a.jpg >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 17:53:36 2009 Received: (qmail 30978 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 15:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 15:53:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C898DE182F4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C48E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0489634AC029 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF4E34AC02B for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:53:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:53:30 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4BFrMEa028812 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 15:53:25 GMT Message-ID: <070767B279934AA9AB032FBC9C49DB77@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com><8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols><4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:53:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 17:53:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a084a0082801744846740 C.H., I increased the brightness on my Dell LCD monitor from 32% to 50%, and, although the blocks on the grey scale look about the same, your adjustment of my image does look more normal. However, the whites are too bright on other images, such as this E-mail screen, so that I will go back to about 33% for normal use. I believe your image is just a little too dark. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > I'm really curious for the one who see image darker, my reference is the > grey bar on dpreview, can you identify the darkest two blocks? > > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse30/ > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > >> C.H., >> >> Thanks. Your colors are more vivid than my image, but the image is too >> dark >> on my screen. I have tried to improve my image presentations in the four >> months since I posted that, so I could probably do better now. >> >> Thanks for your interest. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C.H.Ling" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> >>>I believe E-510 is a capable camera, I had the E-520, I was happy with >>> the ISO performance and color but the AF problem and small viewfinder >>> turn >>> me away. Generally, Olympus digital has better color out of the shot, >>> many >>> people here choose it because of that reason but the color of your >>> Christmas shot seems a bit off on my monitor, see if you like this >>> one better: >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Four-Generation_Christmas-a.jpg >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 17:55:05 2009 Received: (qmail 26695 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 15:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 15:55:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A61E182C8 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23F8E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B7819E9A5 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:54:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2226F19E999 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:54:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-gx0-f220.google.com (mail-gx0-f220.google.com [209.85.217.220]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so6170784gxk.14 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:54:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.248.16 with SMTP id v16mr17593128anh.60.1242057247745; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A08D040.17752.1BAE568@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <4A08D040.17752.1BAE568@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:54:07 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 89918c99f4805be2 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Web-page sizes and download times X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 17:55:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a084a59309774673671140 There are a four issues at play here: 1. CMS-based websites, like www.zone-10.com have a lot of php overhead. Fine for broadband, but horrid for dialup. Actually, not as bad for iPhones and stuff because there is a bunch of intelligent php filtering going on in the portable web-enabled devices to speed things up a bit. 2. Assumed visitor access bandwidth. Dial-up speeds is now considered to be on the outer-edge of the user bellcurve. We've had to leave the speed-sensitive behind in many cases to improve the user-experience for the majority. 3. Advertising links. They really do bog the system down. But since our site is not subscription-based, we'll take all any revenue we can get. It's not much, but it does keep the website lights on. In our case, as we migrate our business to the next phase of operation, the "information side" of the website may change focus. Another hidden thing on most sites now is visitor-tracking stuff. Don't think for a second that this has no bandwidth overhead! But for us publishers, this information is golden! 4. Image Quality. At www.zone-10.com, we've grown our standard image size to 800 pixels wide, plus a 20-pixel white border. This is our signature look and does set us apart from most photography websites that limit picture width to 500-600 pixels. Another factor is the quality of the JPEG files. The average image size for us is somewhere between 90k and 120k. I personally dislike JPEG artifacts and will only compress to the point where they start to become visible. Unfortunately, there are a lot of images recently with tremendous amounts of detail and texture which do not compress well and those images are substantially larger. Initially, we were aiming for the 60k file size for the dial-up visitor, but there is no way we can do that and maintain a decent level of quality in the image--especially since we do also keep the sharpness up--it's easy to have a larger image size with higher compression if you don't resharpen after resizing. I have used "progressive JPEGs" as this was a nice method of helping out dial-up users, but unfortunately not all browsers handle progressives correctly and in many cases the image will not fully load so you get a heavily pixelated image or worse yet, a partial image. We've been experimenting with articles with fewer pages but lots of pictures and articles with many pages and one only picture per page. Based on tracking data, we're actually better off with fewer pages with more elements. I know that the www.zone-10.com website is a bear for those with dial-up. In fact, it can be a bear for others with reasonable speeds--especially those living in the jungles of Malaysia--DSL doesn't work well in trees! One solution that we've considered is shifting the site over to a CMS with better performance as well as multi-language and country-sensitive support. We're currently using Mambo, but any change would mean a mammoth undertaking which I estimate around 200 man-hours to initiate the site and migrate over the existing articles. Given the uncertainty of Mambo, this will eventually happen anyway, but I'm hoping for a staff of people to handle it. ;) If/when we do migrate the site, it is very likely that we'll reformat the home-page differently to provide for an exceptionally speedy response. AG (cooking and washing) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 17:58:52 2009 Received: (qmail 17464 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 15:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 15:58:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224F5E182F2 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024B1E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6E434AC025 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:58:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E41E34AC023 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:58:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 08:58:45 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4BFwgvf032061 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 15:58:44 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <984958449.6407801241926791152.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4A082423.903@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:59:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 17:58:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a084b3c191611342116753 Thanks, John. Is this MIJ on the front or on one of the locking rings? Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > Of the last 2 50/1.8 made, one is marked "Japan", the other "made in > japan". MIJ version is the more desireable one. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > JTimpe@comcast.net wrote: >> Made in Japan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Nichols" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 8:07:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> Hi Wayne, >> >> Thanks for the info. What does MIJ mean? I'm not up to date on all of >> the >> shorthand. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wayne Harridge" >> To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" >> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> >>> Just pick up a Zuiko 50/1.8 MIJ and OM adapter, $50 total. I doubt you >>> would be able to tell the difference from a Summicron in any practical >>> way, >>> there is however a significant psychological effect in using Leica glass >>> though ! (mind over matter) >>> >>> ...Wayne >>> >>> Wayne Harridge >>> http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Jim Nichols [] >>>> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 9:35 AM >>>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >>>> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >>>> >>>> Hi Ken, >>>> >>>> For a few days, I have tried a Takumar 1.8/55mm instead of the Leica-R >>>> 2.8/28 that I use most of the time. I was amazed at the improved >>>> focusing >>>> using the longer lens, even on the E-510 viewfinder. I think both the >>>> shallower DOF and the increased max aperture both come into play here. >>>> I >>>> have been trying to decide whether or not to spend the money for a used >>>> Leica-R Summicron 2.0/50. For a lot of the photos that I take, it would >>>> work >>>> fine. I realize that there are OM lenses that would probably do as >>>> well, but >>>> I grew up using Leica glass and have an appreciation of it that is hard >>>> to >>>> break. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 18:04:51 2009 Received: (qmail 17565 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 16:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 16:04:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFEDAE182E3 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919E0E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836A419E9D9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:04:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF91019E9CC for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:04:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2091148ywr.80 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:04:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.43.1 with SMTP id q1mr15849601anq.53.1242057881758; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:04:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1881648389.3603991242055739325.JavaMail.root@mailstore06> References: <479BBC74-DCC7-4781-A1EE-A1CC4E629201@frozenlight.eu> <1881648389.3603991242055739325.JavaMail.root@mailstore06> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:04:41 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e2d0128e220962a8 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 10/05/2009: beach, the M8 and road rash X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 18:04:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a084ca3230189117217770 Been there, busted that! I smashed a skylight filter on the nard-pain-inflicter. Nowadays the camera stays in either a handlebar bag or fanny-pack. However, I've seen a couple of nice chest-strap thingys that keep the camera from swinging around. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 18:24:22 2009 Received: (qmail 1740 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 16:24:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 16:24:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE7CE182CA for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBF1E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A66E34AC027 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:24:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE5C34AC025 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:24:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4BGOEg4016080 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 00:24:14 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com><8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols><4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com> <070767B279934AA9AB032FBC9C49DB77@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:24:06 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 18:24:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a085136165111234514069 Or my monitor is just too bright, I set 55% brightness on my EIZO. Of course, it doesn't necessary mean my monitor is really brighter than your's. BTW, the white luminance value of my monitor is 137, measured by Spyder 2 Pro. On my monitor your image is missing some contrast and there is a little yellow color cast. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" > C.H., > > I increased the brightness on my Dell LCD monitor from 32% to 50%, and, > although the blocks on the grey scale look about the same, your adjustment > of my image does look more normal. However, the whites are too bright on > other images, such as this E-mail screen, so that I will go back to about > 33% for normal use. > > I believe your image is just a little too dark. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 18:29:19 2009 Received: (qmail 26940 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 16:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 16:29:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7AEE182E4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889B3E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DCC34AC025 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:29:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3991734AC024 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:29:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155BC314086 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A89314081 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A08525D.3000008@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:29:17 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090510-0, 05/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Playing at 21mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 18:29:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a08525f321331035110158 I like abandoned #1 but wish for a bit more background. It would make it look even more abandoned. Better try it with the new 21mm. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 18:30:09 2009 Received: (qmail 31877 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 16:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 16:30:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF654E182C9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA85CE240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA48F19EA46 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:30:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC0719EA5A for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:30:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4BGU04T021701 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 16:30:02 GMT Message-ID: <91BDB096774140508711104BB1253878@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com><8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols><4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com><070767B279934AA9AB032FBC9C49DB77@jimnichols> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:30:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 18:30:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a08529152591823421471 C.H., I agree with you on both points about my image. I could probably have done better. Maybe I will try to rework it. I have never tried Spyder 2, so I have no idea of the luminance value of my monitor. I just adjust until it is comfortable to these old eyes. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > Or my monitor is just too bright, I set 55% brightness on my EIZO. Of > course, it doesn't necessary mean my monitor is really brighter than > your's. > BTW, the white luminance value of my monitor is 137, measured by Spyder 2 > Pro. On my monitor your image is missing some contrast and there is a > little > yellow color cast. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > >> C.H., >> >> I increased the brightness on my Dell LCD monitor from 32% to 50%, and, >> although the blocks on the grey scale look about the same, your >> adjustment >> of my image does look more normal. However, the whites are too bright on >> other images, such as this E-mail screen, so that I will go back to about >> 33% for normal use. >> >> I believe your image is just a little too dark. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 18:32:26 2009 Received: (qmail 14775 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 16:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 16:32:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1105E182F6 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95D9E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD3534AC023 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:32:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A22F34AC026 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:32:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so1996376anc.35 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:32:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.213.7 with SMTP id l7mr17542765ang.78.1242059537320; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:32:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200905092239.03804.doug9345@localnet.com> References: <200905092239.03804.doug9345@localnet.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:32:17 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c697fbf61ca530c6 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Web-page sizes and download times X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 18:32:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a08531a206722336821329 > > Basically dial up is my only real option. When Verizon put DSL in last year > we > were and with a different telephone company so we never got a shot at it > before all 32 lines were snatched up. I didn't play 22 questions with the > linemen, even though they camped the the front yard for several days > working > in the box. > We now use several types of DSL extension technology which can push DSL out to about 40,000 feet. But speeds are still a little limited, usually to about 500kbps. Wireless technology, depending on brand/technology, is limited to around 500kbps too, and you have line-of-site issues to work around. Satellite actually is a pretty good option, but has two limitations: Rain-fade and Fair-Use-Policy. The rain-fade is somewhat addressed by upgrading to a much bigger dish antenna. The standard half-meter sized dish won't quite cut it when you have a storm cell between you and the satellite. The FUP is easily the biggest headache to satellite Internet. The "affordable" packages all limit you to certain amounts of bandwidth per day (but have unlimited download times at night--so download those full-length movies then). For the majority of people, satellite is fine--unless you want to do VoIP, then the delay will kill you. For most users, though, satellite is just fine. For businesses, there are satellite packages available which offer three distinct advantages: 1. No FUP limitations, 2. Bigger dish/better transceiver, 3. Non-blocking symmetrical speeds. These days, at work, I'm dealing with customers getting multiple GIGE bandwidth. In fact, we just got done with phase-one at our own primary campus which provides "carrier hotel" capabilities (along with about a million square feet of fully equipped office space for emergency rental) and six descreet fiber systems leaving town--two of which are peered directly at carrier hotels in two NAPs. Not too shabby for being surrounded by cornfields, eh? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 18:33:17 2009 Received: (qmail 20117 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 16:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 16:33:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F361E182DC for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F54E240BD for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAEF34AC023 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:33:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B2234AC02A for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.149]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so1641584qwc.26 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:33:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.11.71 with SMTP id s7mr4800590qas.51.1242059590907; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:33:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:33:10 -0400 Message-ID: <14883a8b0905110933ua171484o497c0156b0546a05@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 18:33:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a08534d127281744846740 Neat! And a very nice photo Jim. I used to see them all the time here in SC when I was a boy, but I haven't seen one in 20 years. Too much development I suppose. Charlie On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > As I went to the mailbox today, I spied this visitor crossing the sidewalk. > Haven't seen one around here in over twenty years. He was approximately > 24-inches long, and moved cautiously. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Snake+23a.tif.html > > The Takumar 1.8/55 was still on the Oly, so that is what I used. > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 18:37:48 2009 Received: (qmail 26779 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 16:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 16:37:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32846E180B8 for ; 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AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 18:48:01 2009 Received: (qmail 29414 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 16:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 16:48:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF99E182E9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D27E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B7F34AC025 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:47:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4805634AC024 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:47:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4052F4FE14 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:47:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id llWJs6TuiM1y for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F77E2F4FE05 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0E6DE35E-563E-4C3D-A53F-608929A520A7@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:47:44 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Non OM; another photographer's site X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 18:48:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0856c1237711073733319 > From: Chuck Norcutt > > Adobe... open up code? ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaa. :-) Don't get me started. Adobe thinks they're Apple, but wants to be Microsoft when they grow up. :::: Trusting Microsoft to protect your personal information is a bit too much like hiring Michael Jackson to baby-sit your kids. -- Robert X. Cringely :::: Jan Steinman "http://www.EcoReality.org" -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 18:50:21 2009 Received: (qmail 23248 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 16:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 16:50:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1243BE182D1 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CDAE240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2993534AC02B for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:50:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D505134AC029 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:50:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDC8314086 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 10:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA99314081 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 10:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A08574C.7010501@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:50:20 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090510-0, 05/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] A 40k milestone X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 18:50:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a08574d108601499373980 > > ...or those who are unfamiliar with the Oregon coast, be asured that it is the > eighth wonder of the scenic world. We are going to a family reunion in OR in June and plan on spending some time on the coast before heading home. It's been a while since we've traveled the coast as most of our treks have been to the desert to dry out. Living on the coast this makes for a nice change. However this family group started out in the Willamette Valley before some of them crossed back east over the mountains to settle. Next year we will go to the shindig on the east side. We'll be visiting the Central Coast. The area west of Portland has been getting too crowded and developed. This trip may be a good excuse to get the 9~18mm Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 18:51:06 2009 Received: (qmail 29176 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 16:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 16:51:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDAEE182F8 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EBFE240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCDF34AC02B for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:50:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068FB34AC029 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:50:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:50:42 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4BGodrF001357 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 16:50:41 GMT Message-ID: <7C2DDCA107AE48B983FB4E8C4F382B90@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com><8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols><4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com><070767B279934AA9AB032FBC9C49DB77@jimnichols> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:51:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 18:51:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a08577a240749117217770 C.H., I have reworked the Christmas photo. See if this appears better to you. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Four-Generation+Christmas.tif.html Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > Or my monitor is just too bright, I set 55% brightness on my EIZO. Of > course, it doesn't necessary mean my monitor is really brighter than > your's. > BTW, the white luminance value of my monitor is 137, measured by Spyder 2 > Pro. On my monitor your image is missing some contrast and there is a > little > yellow color cast. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > >> C.H., >> >> I increased the brightness on my Dell LCD monitor from 32% to 50%, and, >> although the blocks on the grey scale look about the same, your >> adjustment >> of my image does look more normal. However, the whites are too bright on >> other images, such as this E-mail screen, so that I will go back to about >> 33% for normal use. >> >> I believe your image is just a little too dark. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 18:54:13 2009 Received: (qmail 23226 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 16:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 16:54:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF649E182B9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C898E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105A034AC027 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643AF34AC026 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:54:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:54:07 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n4BGs2De031713 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 16:54:04 GMT Message-ID: <2A98922792C14C6CA61A2106D3C5FD49@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <14883a8b0905110933ua171484o497c0156b0546a05@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:54:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Visitor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 18:54:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a085835224517927319144 Thanks, Charlie. My son says he sees them along a jogging trail where he runs, but they don't seem to like civilization. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Visitor > Neat! And a very nice photo Jim. I used to see them all the time here in > SC > when I was a boy, but I haven't seen one in 20 years. Too much development > I > suppose. > > Charlie > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Jim Nichols > wrote: > >> As I went to the mailbox today, I spied this visitor crossing the >> sidewalk. >> Haven't seen one around here in over twenty years. He was approximately >> 24-inches long, and moved cautiously. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Green+Snake+23a.tif.html >> >> The Takumar 1.8/55 was still on the Oly, so that is what I used. >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 18:55:38 2009 Received: (qmail 11660 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 16:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 16:55:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26FBE182ED for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83448E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E2034AC024 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:55:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DC534AC023 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:55:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B63314086 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 10:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573A1314081 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 10:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A085889.7050508@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:55:37 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090510-0, 05/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Autumn in Central Otago X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 18:55:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a08588a23857350615338 Very nice Bryan! I like those wide open spaces. Reminds me of our fall trips to the east side except for the lack of pine trees and junipers. The only suggestion I can make is that some of the images appear a bit light on my monitor. -2/3ev would improve them. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 18:59:17 2009 Received: (qmail 13810 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 16:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 16:59:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B62E182AF for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D9AE240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA70C19EB7D for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B16D19EB61 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E3D2F4FF78 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wTQpnoqGw-R7 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984F32F4FF69 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <8542EE72-DBA1-4658-BE08-2556D7AF9169@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:59:07 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to Canada in June X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 18:59:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a085965250151946193717 > From: Sandy Harris > > Is it smuggling? My understanding is that the treaty they signed > when they gave up their land makes them completely immune to > that border. It would seem to me that First Nations immunity to the border is for their use only, and that selling cigarettes (or booze, or nuclear weapons, or whatever) that they take across the border to non-First Nations folk is a reasonable concern. :::: Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. -- John Kenneth Galbraith :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 19:00:43 2009 Received: (qmail 18023 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 17:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 17:00:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C832E180B8 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 10:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0C2E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 10:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD3519EB9D for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 10:00:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1585419EB97 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 10:00:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-120.ctimail.com [61.93.57.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 10:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n4BH0Ytx026304 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 01:00:35 +0800 Received: from MAIN (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n4BH0YcN024955 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 01:00:34 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <31F375D5E37940EBA149C7C1512CC24D@jimnichols><4A05E9D0.50209@chucknorcutt.com><55A37A0763D046E39EA116C113D4DEB3@jimnichols> <4A061865.6010604@chucknorcutt.com><569E740C4FF84BA0A0EB76019911EECD@jimnichols> <4A069211.4040102@gmail.com><8B9FE913BF1A40B1BA3C0C07B2133C7D@jimnichols><4A07A86C.2040802@gmail.com><070767B279934AA9AB032FBC9C49DB77@jimnichols> <7C2DDCA107AE48B983FB4E8C4F382B90@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 01:00:24 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 19:00:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0859bb90711257536491 Well, now it looks great! C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" > C.H., > > I have reworked the Christmas photo. See if this appears better to you. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Four-Generation+Christmas.tif.html > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C.H.Ling" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > > >> Or my monitor is just too bright, I set 55% brightness on my EIZO. Of >> course, it doesn't necessary mean my monitor is really brighter than >> your's. >> BTW, the white luminance value of my monitor is 137, measured by Spyder 2 >> Pro. On my monitor your image is missing some contrast and there is a >> little >> yellow color cast. >> >> C.H.Ling >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 19:02:08 2009 Received: (qmail 29446 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 17:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 17:02:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC66E182EA for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 10:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A903E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 10:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F145734AC029 for ; 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I have been working hard on post-processing in the last couple of months. Still have a long way to go, but feel that I have made progress. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF > Well, now it looks great! > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > >> C.H., >> >> I have reworked the Christmas photo. See if this appears better to you. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Four-Generation+Christmas.tif.html >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C.H.Ling" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Manual Focus vs AF >> >> >>> Or my monitor is just too bright, I set 55% brightness on my EIZO. Of >>> course, it doesn't necessary mean my monitor is really brighter than >>> your's. >>> BTW, the white luminance value of my monitor is 137, measured by Spyder >>> 2 >>> Pro. On my monitor your image is missing some contrast and there is a >>> little >>> yellow color cast. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 21:16:43 2009 Received: (qmail 15138 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 19:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 19:16:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2EFE182B2 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A748E240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E8534AC02A for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:16:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CEA34AC029 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:16:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-m08.mx.aol.com (imr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.210]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a08798435d; Mon, 11 May 2009 15:16:20 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c06.53fa1fcb (48576) for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 15:16:09 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:16:37 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A 40k milestone X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 21:16:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a08799b321763675314703 Is there a crack being revealed anywhere on the body? <[B^) Bill Barber In a message dated 5/8/2009 8:18:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: The grip is getting about as baggy as a teenager's unbelted blue-jeans, but it isn't showing any signs of slowing down. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 21:24:41 2009 Received: (qmail 2702 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 19:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 19:24:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D33E182E6 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9848FE240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8896519F0EB for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:24:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2E819F0E1 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:24:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so2066788anc.35 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:24:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.143.17 with SMTP id q17mr17935673and.114.1242069872696; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:24:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:24:32 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 45233e19b8ba05c8 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A 40k milestone X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 21:24:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a087b79210521234514069 > > Is there a crack being revealed anywhere on the body? <[B^) Bill Barber > Zone-10's merchandising division has just introduced the new Thong Camera Strap. It's not padded and it takes a little while to get used to it but it is an improvement for when you have a tight camera bag. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 21:45:08 2009 Received: (qmail 11657 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 19:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 19:45:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605E8E182EF for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D35EE240A9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB5F19F131 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:45:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7F019F13C for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:44:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp05.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp05.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 12:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 31.red-83-33-127.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.33.127.31]:49313 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay05.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.45]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1M3bQi-0000cE-J2 (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Mon, 11 May 2009 20:44:53 +0100 Message-Id: <450ECB80-6AB2-434B-B528-C7479FAF17FA@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion , Picture a Day discussion group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:44:51 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?IMG=3A_Nathan=27s_PAW_18=3A_dogs=2C_se=F1orit?= =?iso-8859-1?q?as=2C_fish=2C_light_and_shadow?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 21:45:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a088044274191073733319 ...in other words, one of my mixed weeks. But all the elements mentioned in the subject line are there: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=238 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 22:09:46 2009 Received: (qmail 20671 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 20:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 20:09:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E489E182EA for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A87E240BC for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD7219F166 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B07819F17E for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so2085202anc.35 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:09:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.213.18 with SMTP id l18mr17725217ang.59.1242072580368; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:09:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <450ECB80-6AB2-434B-B528-C7479FAF17FA@frozenlight.eu> References: <450ECB80-6AB2-434B-B528-C7479FAF17FA@frozenlight.eu> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:09:40 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 36632252117ca3c2 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?IMG=3A_Nathan=27s_PAW_18=3A_dogs=2C_se=F1orit?= =?iso-8859-1?q?as=2C_fish=2C_light_and_shadow?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 22:09:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a08860a133111234514069 Main: The puppy is obviously male. (Lovely hair the left senorita has) Alternate 1: She bored him to death. Is she aware that he's not listening anymore? Alternate 2: See previous post about thongs... I guess there is a dark side to every your town too. Alternate 3: Even she makes slaughter look good Alternate 4: That's one strange looking pepper Alternate 5: My CSI deconvolution program has revealed a picture of you in your wife's sunglasses. Alternate 8: Right of passage. The pressure is on! Alternate 10: Best of the bunch this week! I love it. Alternate 11: Tough place to work, eh? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 22:17:54 2009 Received: (qmail 14528 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 20:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 20:17:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30791E182C9 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C60E240BC for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4B619F196 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:17:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B334F19F190 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:17:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-web16-z01 ([10.127.132.107]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090511201746999.JSIE23251@cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 11 May 2009 20:17:47 +0000 Received: from 76.179.72.31 by webmail.roadrunner.com; Mon, 11 May 2009 20:17:46 +0000 Message-ID: <20090511201747.XWWK6.512245.root@cdptpa-web16-z01> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:17:46 -0400 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A08525D.3000008@interisland.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Cc: Mike Lazzari Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Playing at 21mm X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 22:17:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0887f2253841838542571 I will, if I can find it again. Looked once with no luck. Sigh. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com ---- Mike Lazzari wrote: > I like abandoned #1 but wish for a bit more background. It would make it > look even more abandoned. Better try it with the new 21mm. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 22:26:23 2009 Received: (qmail 11863 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 20:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 20:26:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FC4E182B3 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8889E240BC for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C044934AC024 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:26:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CBB34AC02B for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:26:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 13:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-web16-z01 ([10.127.132.107]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090511202609690.JUVR23251@cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 11 May 2009 20:26:09 +0000 Received: from 76.179.72.31 by webmail.roadrunner.com; Mon, 11 May 2009 20:26:09 +0000 Message-ID: <20090511202609.MAFDK.512362.root@cdptpa-web16-z01> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:26:09 -0400 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <450ECB80-6AB2-434B-B528-C7479FAF17FA@frozenlight.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Cc: Nathan Wajsman Subject: Re: [OM] =?utf-8?q?IMG=3A_Nathan=27s_PAW_18=3A_dogs=2C_se=C3=B1oritas?= =?utf-8?q?=2C_fish=2C_light_and_shadow?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon May 11 22:26:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a0889ef166581470116606 ---- Nathan Wajsman wrote: > ...in other words, one of my mixed weeks. But all the elements > mentioned in the subject line are there: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=238 Didn't catch the puppy in that first one. My favorite was your dog waiting behind the gate. I wish my dog would learn how to open the door. On second thought, maybe not. --Bob -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon May 11 23:03:38 2009 Received: (qmail 15523 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2009 21:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 May 2009 21:03:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03226E182F5 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9628CE240BC for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E36919F236 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:03:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79D619F21A for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:03:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 14:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11597 invoked from network); 11 May 2009 21:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) 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